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1 Peter Kutschera [peter@z85re: Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !
2 SPYDERS@aol.com 24Another "first" off-road school...
3 jimallen@onlinecol.com (23Re: Another "first" off-road school...
4 "Douglas Main, jr" [doug20WANTED IIA or III 109 SW Project
5 Lodelane@aol.com 12Re: Another "first" off-road school...
6 kma367@gsilink.com 15 900x16
7 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu26Re: 900x16
8 Arvind A Bhuta [bhutaaa@12Mile marker PTO hydraulic winch.
9 Mike Gaines [106220.123436ANS:CLIVEDON COLLECTION DETAILS/Ltwt colours
10 Michel Bertrand [mbertra25SER: Oil pressure drop
11 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o25Re: SER: Oil pressure drop
12 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 28Metrics
13 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 239.00 by 16 Tires on Land Rovers
14 Willyz@aol.com 28WTB: Series IIA or III SWB in U.S.
15 SPYDERS@aol.com 15Re: metric
16 "Chala, Richard Justin -20Defender door tops and '70 series IIA grille
17 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [17Re: Fuel Economy with a 2 bbl Weber.
40 SPYDERS@aol.com 17Earth to Chad, Come in, Over...
41 MRogers315@aol.com 22Free Beer
42 SPYDERS@aol.com 25Screeeech...crunch. [yelling profanities>
43 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr14Re: Screeeech...crunch. [yelling profanities>
44 rover@pinn.net (Alexande21What to do...
45 "T. F. Mills" [tomills@o21Re: What to do...
46 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo13Re: What to do...
47 a8@16342.com 48New
48 robot1@juno.com (Mark E 20[not specified]
49 robot1@juno.com (Mark E 16[not specified]
50 RoverNut@aol.com 26Re: Disco cellular phone
51 Tony Yates [a.yates@bom.35LRO prices
52 Allan Smith [smitha@cand28Re: What to do...
53 Greg_Pavlov@racv.com.au 25re: 900x16
54 "Christopher H. Dow" [do17Re: What to do...
55 David Place [dplace@mb.s12Remove
56 Granville Pool [gpool@pa76Metric tyre sizes explained (long)
57 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec41HELP! Fairey winch
58 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec20Engine colours
59 Mike Macdonald [mkmacd@s34Shocks for Series Vehicles
60 Ketil Kirkerud [ketilk@a29[not specified]
61 pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.54Beware - Minimal LR content
62 "Ian Stuart" [ian.stuart25Re: Tires
63 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u15Re: Engine colours
64 pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.68Land Rover Database - Any interest ?
65 wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d28re: Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !
66 Peter Kutschera [peter@z13Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !
67 Deezilbob@aol.com 11sighting
68 NADdMD@aol.com 65Fwd: Land Rover's U.S. Camel Trophy Team Begins Three-Week Mongolian Adventure


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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:58:02 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: re: Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !

:) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:26:05 +0200
:) From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
:) 
:) >In my SIIA Gearbox (Gearbox number 25347943E) the layshaft cracks.
:) >On this layshaft there was a split ring holding gear 2 in position.
:) 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
:) >suffix e gearboxes don't have split rings on them. They are part of the lay
:) >shaft.
:) 
:) My catalog sez:
:) 09917: Layshaft Up to suffix A
:) 528703: B & C
:) 556040: From D onwards
:) 
:) and:
:) 
:) 239272: Split ring for 2d speed layshaft gear, up to suffix C inclusive.
:) 
:) BUT: 1st speed layshaft gear, 2nd speed layshaft gear, primary pinion and
:) constant gear, are all listed for "up to C inclusive" and "from D onwards",
:) so I would say that the layshafts are not compatible. (The bearings are the
:) same, so I would say that you can use any layshaft with the correct gears on
:) it in any gearbox though, it's just that the layshaft, transfer gear and 1st
:) + 2nd gears seem to make a set)
:) 
:) Wouter
:) 
Thanks!

I now scanned the pictures from my manual to get some hints about the version
of my gearbox.
The pictures are at
http://enviro.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR/gearbox-manual/

 http://193.170.134.25/~peter/LR/gearbox-manual/
 for a while)

On picture c2.gif there you can see the layshaft (9) and the split ring (17),
exactly as in my gearbox (Just broken there). I only striped the layshaft - 
where else should I look?

The only diffenences between my gearbox and the pictures I found are:
picture c1.gif, upper half: 
 no dipstick (18)
 parts (12, 13, 15, 16, 17) are missing, there is a solid cap instead.
 the gearbox number is where (7) points to (1st line: 25347943, 2nd line: E)
 There is an oil level screw aproximatly on the position of the number (25)
picture c4.gif: 
 It seems there was a long time ago a (rubber?) ring around ball at 
 the lower end of the gearstick (1).

Can anyone tell if the suffix e layshaft looks different? Maybe the split 
ring is only welded or glued the the layshaft (so only one part number)
and broke away in my case ? Or is there a visible difference in the 
gears (2nd)? When build together the split ring (17) is insinde the
2nd gear (16). So there is a visible difference in the sides of the
layshaft gears for 2nd (16) and 3rd (18). 
Maybe someone out there has a striped gearbox and can take some measurements? 

Maybe the following would also help:
My Landy is a 1968 SIIa 109 SW LHD Diesel. 
Frame numer: 28401627D
Engine:      27143513J
Gearbox:     25347943E ???

BTW: My Manual is in german. So I have the following questions:
     How are the gaskets (19) in c4.gif called in english? Might they
     be the 'detent seal on side of gearbox' for 0.60 Pounds?
     What is the 'primary pinion' and the 'primary pinion bearing'? I 
     assume c2.gif(1 and 36). 

All hints are wellcome!

Thanks in advance
 Peter

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 08:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another "first" off-road school...

Not that any of us scan the pages of Vogue like we do the LROI, but my
girlfriend does and she spotted this: (From the MAY 1997 U.S. Edition)

<<<City Slickers.
Most people who own four-wheel-drive vehicles have never tried to go off
road. So the Equinox resort in Vermont has started the first four-by-four
driving school in America that teaches participants how to drive on old
logging roads and over boulders and ditches. Equinox provides the Range
Rovers and Land Rover Discoverys for students to rough up. Private lessons
start at $120 an hour. For more information, call The Equinox at (800)
362-4747.>>>  There was a picture of a white D90SW w/warn winch, A-bar and
four lights across the top.

So what will the excited clients do when they go home and try it in their
J**p Bland Chair-o-keys?

pat.
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:14:20 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Another "first" off-road school...

><<<City Slickers.
>Most people who own four-wheel-drive vehicles have never tried to go off
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>362-4747.>>>  There was a picture of a white D90SW w/warn winch, A-bar and
>four lights across the top.

        Just so everyone knows, this school is being run by none other than
Jonathan Slavin. That ought to be a familiar name to anyone who knows about
Land Rover history and expeditions.
       After more expedition miles than most of us have miles period, he
moved to the U.S. some years ago and was working with LRNA on the driving
instructors team when he got the job offer. The school is a collaborated
effort between LRNA and the Equinox.
       Yeah, the classes ain't cheap but at least the folks who go back to
their "Bland Chair-o-Keys" as Pat put it, will know how to 4-wheel the
right way.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Wed, 14 May 97 13:52:45 UT
From: "Douglas Main, jr" <douglastmain@msn.com>
Subject: WANTED IIA or III 109 SW Project

Hello all,

I am looking for a IIA or III 109 SW Project car for restoration.  Preferably 
I would like a complete original car with a straight body and repairable 
frame.  Runnung or not running is OK I would rather have the 2.25 ltr.  I live 
in southern Connecticut. The closer to me the better.

Please email me directly at: douglastmain@msn.com if you have or know of a 109 
SW project For Sale.

Thanks,

Doug Main
'73 Series III 88"
'66 Series IIA 88" SW

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Another "first" off-road school...

Got a promo from LRNA last Friday about the school and a free video tape.
 From the sounds of it, it might be a bit pricy, but sounds interesting.
 Sent away for the free tape.  Will review and post the results later.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:01 +0000
Subject:       900x16

Is the  900 x 16  tire similar to  a  235 x 85 x 16  radial  tire.  I 
 currently  use the 235 x 16 on my 1985  SWB 88".  It does have  
steering dampers standard , and still  goes up to 95 kph , which  I  
guess translates to about 105 kph , adjusting for speedometer errors 
So  far I haven't tore up my axles , though it does behave like a LWB 
109 when making U-turns.

Ozzie  Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 petrol

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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:38:34 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: 900x16

kma367@gsilink.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Is the  900 x 16  tire similar to  a  235 x 85 x 16  radial  tire.  I
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Ozzie  Hernaez
> 1985 SIII 88 petrol

No!

The 900X16's are monster truck tyres! They are huge compared to
750X16's. They were the standard tyres for the Forward Controls with
their built-up chassis, so you can imagine where the problem creeps in
with turning circle, et al on a normal chassis.

Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalin" Sign up for adventure here...
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:54:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Arvind A Bhuta <bhutaaa@mail.auburn.edu>
Subject: Mile marker PTO hydraulic winch.

Anyone out there know anything about the winch made by mile marker, it is
a PTO winch.  Has anyone used one on their vehicle(s)? If so, was it worth
it? Is there a lot of trouble with installing a winch of this type?
If anyone out there knows please email me or post message on lro
 
THANKS,
Arvind Bhuta

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:13:30 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: ANS:CLIVEDON COLLECTION DETAILS/Ltwt colours

Hi all,
Alan Logue wanted to know how to contact Clivedon Collection.Details are:=

Tel: (+)44-1749-850728
Fax: (+)44-1749-850729
Address: Witham Friary, Frome, Somerset, BA11 5HH, UK
The Man: Clive Young (Maybe he bumped Don off)
Stuff is good quality but not cheap, maybe you can get a bulk deal

On another subject, chromed RAF Lightweights, I never heard of any when I=

was in the RAF but Quintin(?) could try the RAF Air Historical Branch who=

are based in the MoD (tel 0171-218-9000) should make a change for them fr=
om
looking up Spitfire landing gear bay colour schemes for aviation anoraks.=

On a similar topic Bill Stacey, my Station Commander at RAF Akrotiri
(Cyprus) drove an open top SIII  LWB painted gloss white overall with
chrome hub caps and whitewall tyres plus base commanders flag on bonnet a=
nd
starplate on grille. Looked the K9 testicles. Stacey  BTW was totally
bonkers, he once kicked a Squadron Leader, his crew and his Vulcan (4-jet=

bomber) off the base for having long hair. They grumbled off to Malta abo=
ut
11 at night having crossed Stacey at about 9pm. Happy days.
Cheers
Mike Gaines =

Slll Lt/wt `Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:51:10 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: SER: Oil pressure drop

Bonjour a tous, 

I had a oil pressure drop in the pas few days. I have a mechanical oil
pressure g(u)auge and it used to show 45 lbs at idle. Now, monday morning,
it wouldn't go over 20 lbs. I did an oil change today and still no increase
in pressure.

Is is the oil pump? Could it be the g(u)auge itself? I left the truck parked
in the outdoors with no top and I know that some water got into the g(u)auge.

Ideas, anyone?

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 15 May 97 12:34:22 EST
Subject: Re: SER: Oil pressure drop

Bonjour a tous, 

>I had a oil pressure drop in the pas few days. I have a mechanical oil 
>pressure g(u)auge and it used to show 45 lbs at idle. Now, monday morning, 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>in the outdoors with no top and I know that some water got into the 
>g(u)auge.

well,  if you can find a test guage that is known to be accurate, that 
would answer your question for sure. As long as the fittings match.
Otherwise does the engine sound any different? Do the bearings knock? Does 
the pressure go up when you rev the motor? If the needle doesn't move than 
there's probably something wrong with the guage. Why don't you pull the 
guage and see if you can free up the needle by moving it with your finger? 
IT sohuldn't be too hard to get the glass off. just don't break the temp 
tube or try to remove the housing. 
later
Daveb
arlington VA

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:59:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Metrics

There is a certain undeniable charm to the old Imperial measures.  Can you
imagine John Wayne talking about his Colt 11.43mm Peacemaker revolver?  Nah!
Just doesn't sound right.

The US military went metric back in the early 1960s.  This may have been
done to accommodate NATO standardization.  Except for the reserves, US armed
forces no longer carry the old Model 1911 .45 Colt automatic pistol.  Today
they are issued a 9mm Beretta.  Controversy still rages over which one is
better.

Even the names of current production Land Rovers are Imperial if now only
nominal.  It is tacky and inaccurate to round off the wheelbase measurement
to the nearest 10 inches.

Measurement systems are just another language like English, Latin, Cobol,
Braille, German, Navajo or Gregorian 4 line music notation.  We can learn to
live with them or grouse about them or both.

Regards,
Paul Donohue
Denver
1965 Land Rover 109

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 9.00 by 16 Tires on Land Rovers

WW2 vintage Dodge 4x4 military trucks came with 9.00 by 16 tires.  These
remained standard equipment on 3/4 ton and 5/4 ton trucks up until the
adoption of the Hummer.  Personal experience in M37 Dodge 3/4 ton trucks, in
1971, in the mud of the Mekong delta was that these tires worked quite well.

Forward Control and 1 ton LWB Land Rovers came with 9.00 by 16 tires.  They
must have had a different set of transfer case reduction gears to
accommodate the much greater tire circumference.  The 101 military Land
Rovers also used this size.  Has anyone installed 101 axles and tires under
an 88?  Gotta have great ground clearance.

It is odd that there is no intermediate 8.25 by 16 tire like there is in the
20 inch family of truck tires.  Does anybody know about this?

Regards,
Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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From: Willyz@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:29:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WTB: Series IIA or III SWB in U.S.

Posting for a neighbor w/ a Disco who asks to buy my LR every week and is now
starting to believe I won't sell it. 

Wanted:  SWB Series vehicle in good to excellent condition. Galvanized
chassis preferred but not required. Needs to be in the U.S. Close to Kansas
is good but again not a must. Anybody that has vehicles for sale please
contact me direct and I will forward to my neighbor.

I know the list gets posts like this all the time but I'm just trying to be a
good neighbor. 

Steve B. in Albany, we met last year. I told him of your Series III and even
gave him one of the pics we took. Contact me if its still around.  Couldn't
remember what the asking price was but I told him I thought it was very nice
and around $8000 but I wasn't sure, let me know.     Whats my finders fee?
  ;-)

Thanks everybody,

Bill Kaszer
Manhattan, Kansas
willyz@aol.com

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:02:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: metric

I really don't have any great pearls of wisdom to contribute to the hows &
whys of the thread (no pun), but just want to mention that my Defender
Manual's first few pages deal with identifying the differences between metric
and other threads/bolts/fasteners. At least they acknowledge there is a
possibility of confusing yourself when you throw all your bolts into one
can...

pat
93  110

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From: "Chala, Richard Justin - BUS" <CHARJ112@bus.orst.edu>
Subject: Defender door tops and '70 series IIA grille
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 11:28:33 -0700

Hi I am looking for a pair of defender door tops and a grille all for my
late series IIA (1970).
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thank you,

Richard Chala
charj112@bus.orst.edu
    _____  
    [__[__\==_                             
   *[_"___|__])                 
 ____(o)___(o)__________
  _______________________________________
 Series IIA, 88"  Land Rover 4x4

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:17:35 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: Fuel Economy with a 2 bbl Weber.

>Mine's a 1970 '88' with 15,000 on an engine rebuild, 235-16 tires, no o/d.
Usually have at least one 1,000' alitude gain/loss in a 20 mile day, no free
way driving, no heavy traffic, average speed probably around 45 with top of
55, and light 4 wd.  

Get 15 mpg or just below.  The one time I clocked it on the open road with
speeds of 50+ for a tank full, it returned 16 mpg.
>Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT)
>From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
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>Granny


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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:57:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Earth to Chad, Come in, Over...

Does anyone know "Chad_Wilson@Woodberry.org"? I'm getting lots of bounced
stuff from his mail gateway. Am I alone in this bombardment of:

>"Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
>Chad Wilson (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the
>name has been entered correctly, and I am a computer related to Deep >Blue

and we can play chess but not deliver e-mail.)

pat
93  110

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:03:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Free Beer

That caught your attention then.

Further to my post last weekend regarding the Welsh ARC National Rally, any
listers attending who would care to look me up at the rally are welcome to
drop in for a beer. I should be found in the Breckland Land Rover Club
camping area, somewhere near my coil sprung lightweight NVX 983J ( NATO Green
with Yellow wheels ). 

I am entered for both the RTV and CCV trials so if you spot me on the
sections come and have a natter, it will be good to put faces to some of the
names on the list ( mine is covered in a grey beard.

Looking forward to seeing you.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:20:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Screeeech...crunch. <yelling profanities> 

I live on the corner of a street people are prone to speed on and the cross
street has a STOP sign. As I'm looking out over the intersection, I get to
see two vehicles collide. A Kia Sportage "4x4" and an Oldsmobuick Sedan. The
Kia(brand-new & speeding)  T-boned the sedan (beater & ran the Stop) and
ended up on its roof, nose to the ground with the A-pillars crushed. Boy,
were they pissed off. 

So, that's what's under these things... got a look at the running gear and
took some photos for the local P.D. Interesting to note the name Getrag cast
into the tranny... and a bunch of other mini-off-road touches like 22GA. (or
thinner) skid plate for the fuel tank and toothpick locating arms for the
rear axle. I got to use the 110's winch to pull on the Kia and some people
commented favourably on the construction of the LR. It must have been the
bars all over it...

I guess the Kia is now listed as "KIA" in the accident report ;-)

pat
93 110

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Screeeech...crunch. <yelling profanities> 

At 04:20 PM 5/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Interesting to note the name Getrag cast into the tranny... 
 
Hmmm... Seems that would be more appropriate for a british car...  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:42:49 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: What to do...

Driving around town the other day, I came across this FJ-40.  It was in 
pretty good shape for a 'cruiser from the early '70's new paint and all, but 
the spare tire cover on the back caught my eye (and ire).  There it was, 
plain as day - "LAND-ROVER" - one of the new style covers that are typically 
found on Discoveries.

What should be done with this miscreant?

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:13:09 +0000
Subject: Re: What to do...

 
[ Driving around town the other day, I came across this FJ-40.  It was in 
[ pretty good shape for a 'cruiser from the early '70's new paint and all, but 
[ the spare tire cover on the back caught my eye (and ire).  There it was, 
[ plain as day - "LAND-ROVER" - one of the new style covers that are typically 
[ found on Discoveries.   What should be done with this miscreant?

Maybe the owner is embarrassed and trying to say "My other car is a 
Land Rover."  I feel like doing that every time I drive something 
else.  In fact, I feel like getting out at every intersection and 
apologising to the world for driving some other piece of junk.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:18:20 -0400
Subject: Re: What to do...

Re: FJ-40 with a Landy spare cover:

Killing's too good for him. Drop a load of rust worms in his glovebox...

8*) 8*) 8*)

          aj"Or a dead rat on the manifold..."r

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Subject: Metric/BSW/whitworth
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:06:23 EDT

Hey, what's with this metric/witworth/British Standard debate? aren't you
supposed to use pliers and self tapping screws on a Rover? 

I work with Japanese machines a LOT and I'm always p***ed when some bozo
taps an inch hole in the damned things because he's too lazy to get a
proper sized metric bolt. Means I get to carry two different sets of
tools. Which'll make it MUCH easer to work on my Rover, I'll already have
all the bastard sizes I need.Again, to all of you who have trouble
finding the stuff, there's a great source for British and Metric at
1-800-431-2792
called Metric and Multistandard. Nuts, bolts, metric, British, Tubing,
fittings, taps, dies, measuring instruments. Average pricing. Quick
delivery from stock in most cases. Exceptional quality all around.

Mark

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Subject: Tires
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:20:02 EDT

On the subject of tires(tyres?) I guess I've been uninvolved in the
metrification of tires to the extent that I've no idea how the
inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?
I'll be taking delivery soon, I hope, and one of the first agenda items
is tires. Most local dealers don't stock the bias tires and I'm wondering
what size radials to look at. I've also heard about "knife edging"
something which happens to radials run on vehicles designed for bias? any
ideas?

Mark

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:00:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Disco cellular phone

I've been in the cellular/communications business for over 5 years now so
I'll always be happy to field any questions concerning communications.

My Rangie has a kit in it and despite a short fuse blowing episode things
work great. Hands-free in your very non-aerodynamic vehicle will be a bit
noisy, so mic placement is key.
Also, use the installer at the main office NOT at an authorized agent. It
will be worth it. 
I also recommend steering clear of PCS/DCS for awhile. The technology and
coverage have a few bugs that need to be ironed out and you can't travel with
it outside of your region. It won't work owing to different frequencies being
used in different locales.
I often joke with my associates that it's taken cellular 11 years to be as
bad as it is, so PCS/DCS has a ways to go.

good luck,

Alex
89 Rangie
69 IIa

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:02:56 +0800
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: LRO prices

>We can always put the price back to where it was when we started, 
>GBP72 for 13 issues.  I am not sure of your point.  What would you 
>prefer us to do?  

> :	The makings of a price war?  Who knows, but I see that LRO has

>  Publish different rates in the LRO itself?  If the rest of the world
>  found out about North American preferential pricing, there will surely
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>  be revolt! ;)
> -Michael
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

I missed the start of this thread, however I don't understand why LRO don't
offer a surface mail subscription rate for the 'rest of the world'.

It costs me $5 per issue less to buy the mag at a newsagent than to subscribe.

*****************************************************************

Tony Yates
Meteorologist
WA Regional Forecasting Centre
Bureau of Meteorology
Perth, Western Australia

Ph +61 9 263 2255
email: a.yates@bom.gov.au

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:35:41 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: What to do...

On Thu, 15 May 1997, Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

>Re: FJ-40 with a Landy spare cover:
>Killing's too good for him. Drop a load of rust worms in his glovebox...
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>8*) 8*) 8*)
>          aj"Or a dead rat on the manifold..."r

Not bad, but far too easy to detect and deal with - I would propose ants in 
 the electrickery every time.  15 months after the first of three major 
insect problems I still wince every time I start - just waiting for a dud 
response. 

A "The curse of the Hymenoptera" ...S

  

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: Greg_Pavlov@racv.com.au (Greg Pavlov)
Subject: re: 900x16
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 13:48:42 -0700

 235 x 85 x 16  radial  tire is a 750 16

Thanks

Greg P.
From: kma367@gsilink.com, on 15/05/97 22:20:

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Is the  900 x 16  tire similar to  a  235 x 85 x 16  radial  tire.  I 
 currently  use the 235 x 16 on my 1985  SWB 88".  It does have  
steering dampers standard , and still  goes up to 95 kph , which  I  
guess translates to about 105 kph , adjusting for speedometer errors 
So  far I haven't tore up my axles , though it does behave like a LWB 
109 when making U-turns.

Ozzie  Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 petrol

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:54:39 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: What to do...

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> Re: FJ-40 with a Landy spare cover:
> Killing's too good for him. Drop a load of rust worms in his glovebox...

No need, man.  Time will do that on it's own.  Ever wonder why so many
FJ-40s have diamond plate on the back?  It's because they rust out.  I
have four friends with FJ-40s, and they are no more reliable than
similarly-aged LRs.  The main difference seems to be that people are
willing to lift 'em (my friends all have 10.5x35R15 tires).  They are
decent off-road, however.

C

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:16:25 -0700
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Remove

a8@16342.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Below are just two examples of which may be of interest to you.
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>                      Subject:Subscribe BC1
>                      to:a8@mary-world.com
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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:55:48 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Metric tyre sizes explained (long)

Mark asked:

>On the subject of tires(tyres?) I guess I've been uninvolved in the
>metrification of tires to the extent that I've no idea how the
>inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
>195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall size?

You presume far wrong, Mark, me lad.  7.50x16 would probably translate to
something like 205/100R16 but there's no such size.  The metric size, such
as the popular 235/85R16 (which, by the way is the nearest replacement for
a 7.50x16), means that the tyre is about 235mm (9.25") wide at its widest
part in cross-section.  The "85" is the aspect ratio, meaning that the
sidewall height (from the bead to the high point of the tread) is 85% of
235mm or about 200mm (7.9") for an overall diameter of the tyre, mounted on
its 16" wheel, is about 31.8" which is about the same overall diameter of a
7.50x16 (depending upon brand and rim width).  

You are right that 195 would be about the closest conversion of 7.5" (190
would be even closer) but it's not that simple.  A tyre man told me
recently that the old inch-size tyres were not measured at the widest part
of the tyre cross-section but somewhere between there and the tread.  Why?
Who knows?  The reason I said that the real conversion of a 7.50x16 to
metric would be something on the order of 205/100R16 is that this would
give about the same section width and overall diameter as a classic
7.50x16.  To go to metric sizes, you have to go wider to keep the overall
diameter, even with the "high-profile" (by today's standards) of an 85%
aspect ratio.  The size you suggested, 195/70R16, would have a sidewall
only 70% of 195mm (136.5mm or 5.37") which would give an overall diameter
of 26.7", hardly an off-road tyre!

A couple of others have asked if the 235/85R16 is equivalent to the 9.00x16
and it should be pretty clear by now that this is not so.  I don't know
what the actual section width of a 9.00x16 is but its overall diameter,
depending upon brand again, is some 34-35"!  A seriously tall tyre, very
suitable for rock-crawling.  American off-road tyres are sized by overall
diameter x section width x rim diameter (at bead surface), such as
33x12.50x15 or 34x9.00x16 (which, you see, is the basic 9.00x16 that's on
the 101FC, SIIB FC, and 109 one-ton).  9.00x16s are available in several
serious off-road tires (talking American now) such as Gumbo Mudders, Denman
Groundhawgs (like a very big Firestone SAT), and Interco Super Swamper
TSLs.  But this size is not available in radial in these tyres.  Closest
radial, I think, in these is Super Swamper Radial in 33x10.50R16.  In
metric, this size would be "about" 265/80R16 (which is another slightly
different size that's available in the Super Swamper Radial).  The
255/85R16 is also in the ballpark.

To complicate the formula:  What you really are concerned about, as far as
gearing and ground clearance (but not wheelwell clearance) is not overall
diameter (OD) but loaded rolling radius (LRR).  This is entirely different
for radials and bias-ply tyres (back to eurotalk here).  A bias tyre of a
given OD will have a larger LRR than an equivalent radial.  So, to keep
essentially the same gearing when you go from a bias to a radial, you would
actually want a tyre with a somewhat larger nominal OD than you were
running in a bias.  So, if you switch from a 7.50x16 to a 235/85R16, you
will probably find that you are geared slightly lower (but probably not
enough to worry about).  Another interesting fact is that the rolling
radius of a bias tyre increases with speed and the size of its contact
patch on the road decreases commensurately which helps explain why radials
generally handle better and give more accurate speedometer readings).

There's a lot more to consider but this is already too long!

>what size radials to look at. I've also heard about "knife edging"
>something which happens to radials run on vehicles designed for bias? any
>ideas?

That's a new one on me.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:44:36 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: HELP! Fairey winch

From: jon collins <jonathan.collins@virgin.net>

We havw found a large fairey drum winch at the local scrappy. It mounts
on the front bumper and is driven of the PTO. Unlike the capstan winches
that we have seen, it doesent obtain power from the starter dog. This
winch is Very big and has large amounts of heavy duty cable on it. The
control leaver for the PTO comes up through the floor of the cab, and
there is another leaver on the winch body. Does anybody have any
experience of mounting and using PTO driven winches or overdrive units.
The asking price is 150 pounds. Anybody have comments or experience with
these?

You don't mention what model of Land Rover you want to mount this winch on.
I have a Fairey Capstan Rescue Model winch on my 1973 Series III-88.  One
of the reasons I chose this winch back in 1974 or thereabouts is that I was
told by several Land Rover mechanics and parts specialists that mounting a
heavy winch ahead of the front springs on a Series Land Rover will  cause
the springs to lose their "springiness" and effectiveness fairly quickly.
Something to do with the weight distribution on the front spring.  I
didn't, and still don't understand it, but I heard this from numerous
sources, several of whom I felt were quite reputable.  The cure, they all
said, was to replace the Series III's standard front springs with heavy
duty springs.  The downside is that this makes the ride even rougher.  For
this reason, and for the kind of winching I figured I'd be doing, and for
the fact that I already was using the PTO for an overdrive, I elected to go
with the capstan winch.  I'm sure the drum winch you've found is very good
if it's in good shape.  Just keep in mind the potential spring problem with
that much weight on the front end, or at least look into it to confirm that
what I've been saying is correct.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:49:52 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Engine colours

From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>

>Can anyone tell me the colour of the engine block on a '55 S1?  I have
>been told that a light green was common.

This may not apply to the Series I at all, but when I took delivery of my
brand new Series III in 1973, the engine was robin's egg blue, both block
and head.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Macdonald <mkmacd@seanet.com>
Subject: Shocks for Series Vehicles

I have just replaced the (very) old but not original shocks on my Seris I
88" with the following aftermarkets:

Front:  Parts Master (Gabriel?)
        C509413
        DOT-E  11255
        733589

Rear:   Parts Master
        C4082
        738017

These were recommended for medium truck duty by the local parts folks who
measured the compressed and extended positions of the shocks I removed and
looked up the corresponding info in their ref books.

FWIW - Ref the subject of standard vs. metric.  I'm now in the process of
putting all the body panels back on my landy after having stripped it down
to just the frame, bulkhead and engine/tranny combo so I could paint it.  I
went down the local hardware store and bought replacement bolts - all
standard - for everything I pulled off, now I'm down to only two sizes for
all those.  As I have to replace things here inthe future, well, they'll be
"modernized" too.  I know, I know, I'm no purist, but I'd rather not have to
replace all my tools too!

Ciao,

Mike MacDonald
1957 Series I 88" - "don Quixote"

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Subject: Re: 9.00 by 16 Tires on Land Rovers
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Date: 16 May 1997 08:51:36 +0200

DONOHUEPE@aol.com writes:

> Forward Control and 1 ton LWB Land Rovers came with 9.00 by 16 tires.  They
> must have had a different set of transfer case reduction gears to
> accommodate the much greater tire circumference.

They had - In the manual it's called the "all-helical gear" transfer case.
I used to have one on mye 109" (it ex-military). This was _not_ an ideal
car to drive with 7.50x16 tires. To use 9.00x16 tires, you would want
to 

  1) have the strengthened front axle from the 1tonne
  2) long shackles at the rear of the springs
  3) new, longer spring hangers at the front of the springs.
     (as in : get the appropriate parts for the frame, and rebuild the frame)

> It is odd that there is no intermediate 8.25 by 16 tire like there is in the
> 20 inch family of truck tires.  Does anybody know about this?

I know at least one person who's driving around on 8.25x16 tires. 
I don't know where he got them, though.

-- 
---Ketil Kirkerud, 1979 109"SW 21/4 Petrol

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:13:00 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: Beware - Minimal LR content

To finally post whilst a thread's (almost) still going....

re: Metrics,

I was taught both at school, (Metrics just coming in). I have no problems 
visualising an inch, 1 cm, 1 metre, mile or Km, but antiquated measurements 
such as an acre, cable, chain, furlong etc escape me.

But check out http://www.nova.edu/Inter-Links/misc/weights.html anyway

The Norweigan inch I have been reliably informed is probably the Danish inch, 
as Norway was a Danish colony for around 400 years. 

History lesson courtesy my Norweigan buddy.

BTW, the most unusual measurement of time I know is used internally on the 
computers I support - the microFortnight. (DON'T ASK)

>>Don't forget farthing, crown, guinea ...
>>Frank

> It was better than that,Frank.Ha'penny,thrupenny bit,tanner,bob,
> florin,half-crown,ten bob note...those were the days.....:-)
> Mike Rooth

Well, where was the sixpence and the sovereign then ?

Re: Taking the gravitational pull on tectonic plates to offline mail, 
if you'd done that, I wouldn't have had 'geoid' for the word of the day.

Re: Leikney (I have sent the details offline to Clinton directly)

Addendum for Adrians Database

Name / Location: Paul Wakefield / IT
Series 1,2,2a, or 3: III
Year of manufacture: 1976
Fuel (Diesel, Petrol, LPG): Petrol
Octane number if petrol: Umm, Standard, not Super Unleaded.
Turbo if fitted: n/a (Actually lucky to have all factory fitted bits on post 
MOD)
Overdrive if fitted: Yes (Fairey)
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild: 100K (Judging by oil 
consumption)
Miles per gallon (urban driving): 15
Miles per gallon (motorway driving): 18
What engine oil do you use? : Was Castrol GTX, now is cheapo and nasty Motor 
World 20W50 (on the premiss that it goes through the bearings only a few times 
before being unceremoniously burnt at the spark). 

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From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:00:57 +0000
Subject: Re: Tires

On 15 May 97, Mark E Hardig wrote:

> ...... to the extent that I've no idea how the
> inch/metric tires interchange. I presume a 7.50x16 translates into a
> 195-70 16? is there a conversion? how do you determine sidewall
> size?
Look at:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2195/tyre_bible.html

The best reference I've come across - and independant of manufacturer 
too!

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Engine colours
Date: Fri, 16 May 97 9:16:34 BST

> >Can anyone tell me the colour of the engine block on a '55 S1?  I have
> >been told that a light green was common.

That is something from myth and legend. An engine with a colour - and a colour
you can see?

Hail!

Richard

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:43:52 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: Land Rover Database - Any interest ?

Hi All,

Ok, 

After a little detective work on the original suggestor it would seem he has 
exited the list.

Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:32:02 -0500 "John P. Casteel" 90 RR, For Sale
Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:59:25 -0500 "John P. Casteel" unsubscribe
Sun, 05 Jan 1997 11:10:53 -0500 "John P. Casteel" unsubscribe

Is there still any interest in this idea ? If I get the raw data together, I 
will have a stab at an online database. 

The original idea plus modifications is attached, any extra field suggestions 
would be welcome. 

Send any submissions to zymurgy@technologist.com (my mail alias)

Cheers,

Paul.

I am specifically interested in the LRO list members vehicles, I do not really 
want sensitive information such as engine/chassis numbers or registration 
numbers.

This database is for all series LR vehicles.  If you send your email address it 
will NOT be posted if the database is moved to a more public location.  
Your email address will NOT be passed along to anybody else.

When you send the information, please send it in the following format.  For 
each vehicle  use a seperate line.  Each topic is seperated by a comma. 
Do not use commas in the notes section.  If there are multiple bits of 
information in the notes then seperate them by a semi-colon.  If you have 
already sent the infomation then you don't need to resend.  If you have 
multiple vehicles seperate them with a  carriage return.

year,type,size,engine,name,color,current location,country,shape,e-mail,notes

e.g.

1976,III,109,petrol,The Truck,Bronze Green,Liverpool,UK,dd,
pwakefie@mail.esrin.esa.it,Ex MOD; LR in UK Owner In Italy

meaning:

year - year as registered, ie 1967
type - I, II, IIa, III, III S1
size - 86,88,109,107 etc
engine - Petrol, Diesel
name - what have you named your vehicle or, noname
color - the current color of vehicle
current location - ie Colorado
country - ie  USA, UK, DE, IT
shape -   -  choose one of the following
dd - daily driver: you aren't worried about taking the vehicle out.
dr - drivable:  you drive the vehicle but not reliable for every day use.
ur - under restoration: 
pc - parts car:  
e-mail - the owners e-mail address or "none"
here otherwise use "unk" for unknown.
notes -  anything you'd like noted seperated by semi-colon

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:11:16 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: re: Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !

>:) BUT: 1st speed layshaft gear, 2nd speed layshaft gear, primary pinion and
>:) constant gear, are all listed for "up to C inclusive" and "from D onwards",
>:) so I would say that the layshafts are not compatible. (The bearings are the

>:) same, so I would say that you can use any layshaft with the correct gears on
>:) it in any gearbox though, it's just that the layshaft, transfer gear and 1st
>:) + 2nd gears seem to make a set)

Hi Peter & all

I had a chat to my local LR gurus yesterday, the shafts differ as follows:

The very early shaft has smaller bearings.
The second shaft has bigger bearings (I measured one, the shaft end is 22 mm
approx.)
The third shaft has *no*, repeat *no* groove and no split ring of any type.
The gear is also different.

So, you have one of the two earlier shafts. Measure the blunt end (not the
side with the thread) I would bet it's a 528703, since you don't have the
dipstick etc.

Wouter

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:02:33 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Need help: parts-info in SIIa Gearbox !

Hello Wouter!

Thank you very much! 
I'll measure my shaft ond order the parts in the evening!

Thanks also to the other who tried to help me.

Peter

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 06:33:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: sighting

I was out in Damascus, Va. this past sunday and saw a bronze green 88 with
full length roof rack, looked to be a series 3. By the time I got back to
check it out it was gone. Does anyone know who it belongs to? I think it
might be the winner of the off-road course at the Mid-Atlantic Rally last
year.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 06:47:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: Land Rover's U.S. Camel Trophy Team Begins Three-Week Mongolian Adventure

 Hot off the wire:

 ULAANBAATAR, Mongolia, May 15 /PRNewswire/ -- Two Americans are among the
forty international competitors who set off two days ago from Mongolia's
capital city to participate in the 18th annual Camel Trophy Adventure.  Teams
from twenty countries will spend the next three weeks driving identical Land
Rover Discoverys over a 1,500-mile route through Central Mongolia, exploring
the extreme variations of this remote country's vast steppers, forested
mountains and wind-swept desert.  Representing the U.S. are Doug Mays, 35, a
forest engineer from Corvallis, Ore., and Christopher vanNest, 25, a multi-
media software developer from Bethlehem, Penn.
          Mongolian Prime Minister Enkhsaikhan welcomed the participants
during an
official start ceremony, saying, "It is very fitting that Camel Trophy has
come to Mongolia to explore our country, and I know the Mongolian people will
welcome you warmly.  Our country will offer you the opportunity to see our
fascinating land, from Lake Hovsgol to the Gobi Desert, and embrace the
unknown during your three-week exploration."
          Following a colorful Mongolian Sports Display at Turtle Rock,
featuring
the three national "manly games" of archery, wrestling and horsemanship, the
teams moved on to Terelj, one hour northeast of the capital, and the location
of the first of eight Competition Sites.  There, the participants camped
overnight in felt-covered gers, the traditional homes of Mongolia's nomadic
peoples.
          The Camel Trophy competitions began yesterday, May 14, and involved
four
disciplines:  mountain biking, driving, orienteering and kayaking.  First was
a twelve-kilometer mountain bike race that began and ended at the top of a
steep slope.  For the sprint to the finish line, the weary bikers dismounted
and carried their bikes up the hill.
          After only a short rest, the competitors stowed their cycling
equipment
and began a four-wheel drive navigational exercise with GPS.
          For eight hours, the Americans pedaled and paddled, raced and ran
through
the Tuui river valley.  The final event of the day was a head-to-head kayak
competition, with all twenty nations jockeying for the best position at the
starting line.  Despite a dismal last place start, Mays and vanNest rallied
to
a 10th place finish on the strength of their kayaking skills.  "The kayak
race
was tough," said an exhausted but smiling vanNest.  "We started in last place
but managed to move up the field.  It was hard to pass anyone as there was
such a crowd of us in there."
          At the conclusion of the first Competitions, Team USA is in 11th
place
overall.  The teams will now head to their next destination, in Selenge aimag
(province).  Unlike previous Camel Trophies, however, this year's teams will
be given GPS coordinates and then have the option to travel individually or
in
small groups to the next Competition Site.  The event will conclude in the
ancient Mongolian capital city of Kharakorum on May 31.
          Camel Trophy is sponsored by Worldwide Brands, marketer of Camel
Trophy
Adventure Wear, and by Land Rover, manufacturer of premium British four-wheel
drive vehicles.

Nate

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