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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: SER: barbie on a grill???
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:44:00 +1000

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com

ser
>2a grille to cook on!

>Will I poison myself????? I know all the books say the Aussies use the
>grilles to cook, but someone on this list said a while back that you
>would get Zinc poisoning????

Is this an Urban myth?  Do we Aussies cook on Series grilles (except
SIII
of course)?

Regards,

Ron BEckett

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From: "David Olley at New Concept" <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SII Clutch Lever Bush
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:04:08 +0100

I don't know which bush you are referring to, exactly, but most
bronze bushes need to be reamed to the correct clearance size before
fitting. i.e. measure the shaft diameter with a micrometer and then
select the correct reamer size to suit.

David G. Olley
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New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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> From: Delve, Trefor <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
> To: 'lro-uk' <lro-uk@playground.sun.com>; 'LRO'
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> This is a SII question.
> Does anyone have any tips on how to fit the Brass (Phosphor Bronze
?)   
> spherical bush on the clutch operating lever ?
> My attempt to heat it up before tapping it on resulted in the bush 
<lro@playground.sun.com>
 
> splitting.
> Any advice gratefully accepted.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Trefor
> tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: RE: SER: barbie on a grill???
Date: Mon, 12 May 97 12:38:42 BST

> >Will I poison myself????? I know all the books say the Aussies use the
> >grilles to cook, but someone on this list said a while back that you
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> SIII
> of course)?

Could explain a lot! :-)

Zn is an essential element in your diet incidentally, and so far, the only
common chemical (ie. excluding interferon) shown to have an effect on the
common cold. Apparently, if taking Zn for colds, you have to suck a huge
number (dozen?) of large disgusting-tasting tablets - hence no one does!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:03:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.4.1, SECURITY (703)604-2590 X6318"
Subject: Re: ANOTHER GET-TOGETHER FER D.C.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: SII Clutch Lever Bush
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:24:00 +1000

Trefor asks:

>Does anyone have any tips on how to fit the Brass (Phosphor Bronze ?)
>spherical bush on the clutch operating lever ?

>My attempt to heat it up before tapping it on resulted in the bush
>splitting.

If I remember correctly, brass is hot-short.  In other words, *don't*
try to work it hot - it will break.  It must be worked cold.

Other than that, no, I haven't seen one of these bushes,

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:16:05 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SER: barbie on a grill???

Lenny Warren wrote:

> I'm building a barbecue in my back garden 
> Will I poison myself????? I know all the books say the Aussies use the
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> grilles to cook, but someone on this list said a while back that you
> would get Zinc poisoning????

Zinc is a volatile metal.  If you toss your grille directly into the
fire and let it get very hot, the znc will volatilize.  Test it by
seeing how fast the grille will rust.  

Malcolm

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: BMW's 2 wheel RR?
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:24:00 +1000

I just came across an article in Australian 4x4 Magazine
with that heading.  They ask:

"Thus, when earlier this year BMW released the R80G/S
and heralded it as a luxury town and country machine
comparable with the Range Rover, we couldn't resist the
temptation to test the vehicle and try to take the wind
out of the company's promotional bumph"

"Unfortunately we had a problem.  This off-road vehicle
was too tall and much too narrow for our regular testers.
The damn thing wanted to fall over all the time and there
was nowhere to put our Engel fridge (car refridgerator)."

The also reported that the BMW "returned 6.7 litres per
100 km (42 mpg)"  8-o

This issue of the magazine is dated Spring 1982
(September).  The R80G/S is, of course, an 800cc
off-road bike (cost A$4950).  8-)

How prophetic of BMW's advertising agency! 8-(

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:15:48 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Mileage (kilometerage)

I would be interested to hear from other Series LRO's regarding fuel
economy.

I am going to Greenland for a week or so, but would welcome any replies
which I will collate and republish when I return.

I am only interested in standard LR engines, 2.25 and 2.5 diesel or
petrol

Please send your answers in the following format -

Name / Location
Series 1,2,2a, or 3
Year of manufacture
Fuel (Diesel, Petrol, LPG)
Octane number if petrol
Turbo if fitted
Overdrive if fitted
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild
Miles per gallon (urban driving)
Miles per gallon (motorway driving)
What engine oil do you use?

please stae whether you reply in Miles per gallon US or UK, or
Kilometres per liter.

We hear a lot of talk about different mileage rates, and about the pros
and cons of turbo and overdrive - but there seems little data available
for comparison, and such data would be useful for all of us.

Please use the same SUBJECT line as here to ensure that my wife doesn't
delete your replies in my absence! :-)

Thanks - look forward to hearing from you

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:50:48 -0500
From: Clare & Lee Dunkelberg <clarelee@smart1.net>
Subject: Disco Sunroof

Yesterday, we owned one of each Rangie, Disco & Defender.
Today, sigh, the Rangie retires in favor of the Disco.
Wife says the old Rangie rides like a rowboat at best - a camel at worst
and "things" keep going wrong. 
(She's right about the last bit)
Stumbled across a '96 Disco with 5,300 miles (that's right, no decimals
or zeros missing!) at a steal price with great trade-in terms.
No wood.
Anyone attempted adding a post-purchase Disco sunroof?  If so, how'd it
go?  Dealer installed? What luck?  For what should we watch?  Is this
just another crazy fantasy? 
Lee 
1991 Rangie (sigh)
1996 Disco (young turk)
1994 Defender (family retainer)

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:47:13 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Disco Sunroof

What do we on this list know from sunroofs? Usually if we want to let in 
a little light we take the whole dang roof off.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Oil Filter cross-over number

In a message dated 97-05-11 22:38:58 EDT, you write:

<< Here are some oil filter numbers. Hope these help ya out, Granny!! I use
the
 Napa number myself, but have used the Purolator one before, too. Got it at
 Pep Boys. >>

Are these all for the short canister or are some of these for the long?
Any cross references for the long filter?  

Thanks,

Nate

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:32:21 +0000
From: "spencer k. c. norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: RE: SER: barbie on a grill???

> >Will I poison myself????? I know all the books say the Aussies use

> Zn is an essential element in your diet incidentally, 
> Apparently, if taking Zn for colds, you have to suck a huge

the problem isnt the zinc, it's the vapors from the zinc as it
burns/oxidizes. they are *quite* bad for you.

you are much better off preparing cold dishes, like using the grill to
evenly dice potatos for potato salad, or as a drying rack for roadkill
jerky. (no cats please) cf. Eaton, Hugh, Safe Bush Dining, 2nd ed., 
Wadi Food Press, Asmara, 1963.

rgds,
spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover - 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

The road to hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
                                        -Bill Gorton

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:38:03 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith Port-Blocking Brigade

Richard Marsden wrote:
> snip
> What are the symptoms if the port isn't blocked?

I'm not much use on the symptoms.

snip
> The carb is only 6 months old, so I'm a little loathed to take it apart,
> but if I do, I should order a carb. gasket kit this week...

Blocking the port itself is a very simple proposition.  Just separate the
upper and lower halves and insert a piece of appropriately sized 0 ring
(1/8" diam.?).  If the carb is new you probably don't have to carry out
the "flattening exercise".

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Oil Filter cross-over number

Nate asked:

>Are these all for the short canister or are some of these for the long?
>Any cross references for the long filter? 

I'm assuming that these are all for the short canister.  I think I've got a
NAPA filter for a long canister at home, for my SII.  I'll try to remember
tonight to look and see what number it is.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:58:39 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Zenith Port-Blocking Brigade

Alexander Grice advised me last week to block the port - I tried this,
but it only resulted in the engine pouring a lot of fould black smoke
out.

Why block the port (what does it do anyway, and why should it not do
this on a Land Rover?)

If it should be blocked - is this a LR specific which "works" for all
Series III petrol engines with a Zenith 361V carb, or are there
exceptions.

And why didn't it help on my carb?

Anyone the wiser? Please post!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Waxoyl: Good News

Hi all,

Just called Triple-C  to order the summer's pumping of waxoyl.  They told me
that although they were having trouble getting it in for a while, their
supplier has informed them, that there should be no problem now.  (I believe
she said, "There'll be a flood of it coming in").

I hope it's not coming with that shipment of NAS 90 hardtops ; )

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: Max Mawdsley <maxm@wpds.com>
Subject: Reasons for 101 info
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:22:06 +-100

Bill

In response to "Max, just what is your friend going to do once he finds =
all those 101s ?", the answer is, however much he would like to spend on =
his beloved 101's, he has not the space or the "brownie" points with his =
wife to succeed (even if he did have the funds !!!!)

No, the reason is that, if this 101 he has bought to break for spares is =
the only pre-production that has not rotted away, it would be sacrilege =
to destroy such a piece of LR history.

And given the responses so far, it looks like the List only knows of 2 =
or 3 pre-production 101's and those are now rusted beyond repair !

Max Mawdsley

84 Range Rover
(and just for Bill, 84 Suzuki GSX1100 with Hub-Centre Steering)

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Metrics

On 8 May, Michael Carradine responded to Ron Beckett's history of Land Rover
fasteners, stating: "The US is the biggest holdout to metricization."

George Washington recommended that the US adopt the metric system.  His good
advice was disregarded in favor of the English system, as England was then
the main trading partner.

My first visit to the rainy island was before their money went metric.
Pound, Shilling and Pence seemed somehow appropriate for the folks that gave
us inches, feet, miles, quarts, gallons, ounces and pounds.

Isn't it odd that England has abandoned their old system and we are still
stuck with it?

Paul Donohue
1965 2.77m Land Rover

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: Wire loom
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:21:31 -0700

Greetings Rover Fans,

once again the Prince of Darkness has struck.  On the way home a few =
night ago, I pulled off the highway on to the back road to that little =
place I call home.  As I did so I did what would normaly result in my =
head lamps going bright but this time they went out.  Hitting the dimmer =
again they came back on.  Okay, my dimmer switch is dead.  When I got =
home I played with it a little ( thinking it might not have been making =
contact) when I noticed smoke billowing out of the dash.

Were can I get a new wireing loom, the old cloth one is toast ( ha ha =
ha!!!!!!). I have a '70 SIIA SWB converted to an altanator.  Can I get =
one set up for that and made of a more modern wire ( read not cloth =
coated).

Thanks in advance.

Johh Putnam
'70 SIIa SWB "The Rhino"
Forest Grove Oregon

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From: "Richard L. Ziegler" <rziegler@sover.net>
Subject: Copper covered head gasket
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:58:29 -0400

Clinton,
	Copper covered headgaskets need to be lightly smeared with oil before
installing head.  This lets the head gasket move a little as you are
torquing the head down.  If it can't move (because you installed it dry)
then small wrinkles will develop allowing oil and/or antifreeze to enter
the combustion chamber.
	Although you didn't get time enough on the head job, you have to retorque
the head after about a week's worth of running, for copper head gaskets
only.  The newer fiber head gaskets go on dry and do not require
retorquing.
	Seizing valves can also be caused by not having enough clearance between
the valve stem and the valve guide.  The SIII shop manual gives a range for
stem to guide clearances and I tell the machine shop to ream the guides to
the larger dimention (0.0019" for intake and 0.0029" for exhaust).  Having
run into seizing problems in years past with AE valves this was the
solution reached by AE engineers and I found it to be successful in all my
subsequent valve jobs.

Happy Rovering,
Rich Ziegler, L/R mechanic   '63 88 SIIA pet. (in pieces) '74 88 SIII HT
pet. daily driver '73 88 SIII pet. (awaiting chassis)

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From: "Richard L. Ziegler" <rziegler@sover.net>
Subject: Re: distributor wobble
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:14:55 -0400

Con,
	The distributor wobble is most probably caused by the connecting piece
(between the distributor and drive gear) being incorrectly inserted.  The
locating tangs and grooves are offset from center a little bit and if
inserted incorrectly the connector will be offset and thus produce wobble
to the distributor.
	Pull out the distributor (after noting in which direction the rotor is
pointing) and look down into the hole and see if the connector is centered
on the drive gear.  If not, then pull the connector, turn it 180 deg. and
reinsert.  This time when you look at it, it should be centered.  Reinstall
the distributor, making sure that the rotor is pointing in the same
direction as when you pulled the distributor off, start the engine, check
for wobble, and check the timing.

Happy Rovering,
Rich Ziegler, L/R mechanic   '63 88 SIIA pet. (in pieces) '74 88 SIII HT
pet. daily driver '73 88 SIII pet. (awaiting chassis)	

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:24:09 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Reasons for 101 info

I hope your pal isn't working for any investment firms.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: Koenig winch long shot
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:35:29 -0700

I have the part that you are referring to.
While it is definitely not for sale, I could make you an engineering
drawing if you want to go the DIY route.
It shouldn't be too difficult for a competent machinist to make.

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1966 109 SW 

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> From: 	Wayne R Haight[SMTP:whaight@hawaii.edu]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 31 lines)]
> Mahalo,
> Wayne Haight
> 1970 Series IIA (Kololohi)

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:55:04 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)

Name / Location
Herman Stude / Houston, Texas

Series  3 88SW

Year of manufacture  1973
Fuel Petrol
Octane number if petrol 93 

Overdrive if fitted
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild No Idea
Miles per gallon (urban driving) 13
Miles per gallon (motorway driving) 15
What engine oil do you use? 20W50

Miles per gallon US

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:19:16 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Drive Flange Oil Seal

Hi all.....

a quick query.....

Which way round does the Rear hub oil seal (that felt thing with a rubber
backing) go on a SWB SIII with late type rover axles?

I'm getting a small puddle of oil inside the hub end-cap and I can only
think it's the seal.

OK I'll own up I had this problem a while back after getting the drive
flange off for something else. I took the castle nut off, took out the felt
seal and then promptly forgot which way it went in, so when I put a new one
in I had to cross my fingers and hope. 

With the re-emergence of the leak I can only think I've put the damn thing
in the wrong way round.

Any thoughts??

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:01:57 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Metrics - very little LR content

Denmark is supposedly metric - but try buying timber - a 100 x 50 joist
is still called a 4 x 2, but however it is sold in metric lengths.

When I first moved here I was pleased to discover that carpenters
folding rulers have both metric and inches - being english I plumped for
the side with inches when cutting some expensive wood for shelves. I had
a danish ruler indoors and an english ruler in the workshop.

Measure twice - cut once, my grandfather used to say - and I did - only
to discover that all the shelves for the alcove were about half an inch
short.

Only later did I discover that the Danish inches are not english - they
are Norwegian, and are longer than a british inch by about 1/8.

:-)

As for Land Rover content - try driving in Norway, they have signs in
kilometres, but some rural areas have signs in miles - easy conversion
in head I thought - but no, a Norwegian mile is about 10 kilometers (I
think)

pounds shillings and pence was so logical
ounces, pounds, stone and hundredweight was so easy to remember
at least they still drive on the "right" (left) side of the road in UK
who says I'm conservative?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:36:59 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: ARB Operating Pressure Info.

I've recently been completing installation of a ARB
locker and needed to find the operating psi for the unit
to regulate it off a high pressure alternate compressor.
Oddly the info. is not provided in the installation instructions.

For those of you who are interested the information is:

According to ARB, Seattle the unit operates between 85 and 105 psi.
(Interestingly Jim Allen's Aug. '91 LRO Article on the ARB
gives the figure of 115 psi - you still out there Jim?)

Hope this might help someone.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:04:06 +0000
From: MALCOLMF <MALCOLMF@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage (kilometerage)

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I would be interested to hear from other Series LRO's regarding fuel
> economy.

Suggest that you add the type of carburetor to you list of parameters.

Malcolm

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 12 May 97 17:21:47 EST
Subject: Re: Drive Flange Oil Seal

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

>Which way round does the Rear hub oil seal (that felt thing with a rubber 
>backing) go on a SWB SIII with late type rover axles?
>I'm getting a small puddle of oil inside the hub end-cap and I can only 
>think it's the seal.
>Any thoughts??

Well, If you're not satisfied with a small leak than turn the felt around. 
Personally I think the rubber side faces the washer, since the washer seems 
like a more likely sealing surface than the ends of the axle splines. FWIW, 
I think the oil in the hubcap is to be expected, no matter what you do. I 
just got done repairing a hub that was full of mud for several thousand 
miles. Didn't look too good. However my real concern (since I had a spare 
hub laying about) was that the muck had found its way into the swivel 
housing. No such bad luck however, the oil came out clean as a jaybird and 
upon removal of the stub axle, the innnards were quite clean, despite all 
the junk I'd driven through lately. So I think the hub felt was on right, 
keeping the twain from meeting. That is rubber side facing the washer. 
There wasn't even any water in my swivels. And the fact that I drained them 
a few weeks ago doesn't matter either, since nothing came out I just 
plugged it again and filled er up...So let just say that new hub seals and 
swivel ball overhauls are worth every penny, far as Im concerned, since the 
amount of damage done to that hub twould've been far greater had the ol 
mucky stuff gone into more delicate workings...

now on to that pinion drive flange, and that speedi sleeve, and that 
sticking clutch, and...

later
DaveB.
Arlington VA.
"Here son, let me show you how a good Land Rover's'posed be like...
see you just jack up the wheel, and rock it like this back and forth and... 
well, I'll be damned, I guess I better have a look at that..."

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 12 May 97 17:30:47 EST
Subject: Re: Wire loom

>Were can I get a new wireing loom, the old cloth one is toast ( ha ha 
>ha!!!!!!). I have a '70 SIIA SWB converted to an altanator.  Can I get one set 
>up for that and made of a more modern wire ( read not cloth coated).

John;
try British Wiring (708) 481 9050. in Illinois.
They carry all the proper wire colors and connectors for all makes of Brit 
vehicles, and offer complete looms, and will probably even cut you a breka 
if you get all the different ones, i.e., main, engine, and rear. They can 
probably even make one with extra stuff added in (like an alternator)if you 
want. I believe this is where Britpac gets their wiring harnesses. I almost 
bought them, but I decided to rebuild mine since it was in ok shape. It's 
alot easier when the colors are still legible...
later
DaveB.
Arlington VA
zzzz....zzzz...fizzle....foof..

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:45:16 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: ADD CARB! Mileage (kilometerage)

MALCOLMF wrote:
> Suggest that you add the type of carburetor to you list of parameters.
> Malcolm

AGREED ! what a good idea, trust me a diesel buff to forget that
important data - anyone replying to this thread PLEASE ADD CARB TYPE to
your data - anyone petrolic who has already posted, feel free to do the
same!

In a few weeks I will tabulate these replies according to fuel and
engine classification and publish them either by this e-mail or via my
homepage - maybe LRO would be interested in the data too?

Any of you mathematicians out there got a simple formula for converting
between mpg (UK) mpg (US) and Km per Liter? It would help my
spreadsheet!

Thanks for your participation - maybe we should give a prize for the
best and worst in each class? Suggestions for a name for the prize
welcomed! Suggestions for the prize itself too!

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:00:44 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: ADD CARB! Mileage (kilometerage)

Name / Location
Herman Stude / Houston, Texas

Series  3 88SW

Year of manufacture  1973
Fuel Petrol
Octane number if petrol 93 

Overdrive
Total miles run on engine since last major rebuild No Idea
Miles per gallon (urban driving) 13
Miles per gallon (motorway driving) 15
What engine oil do you use? 20W50

Miles per gallon US

Zenith carb.
15" road wheels
Koenig Winch
etc.

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:11:36 -0600
From: Jeff Swanson <jeffws@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: ADD CARB! Mileage (kilometerage)

Although I wouldn't consider myself a mathematician, this should work. 

1 mile/gal * 1gal / 3.785liters * 1.609km / 1mile = .42509 km/liter

so multiply miles per gallon times .42509 to get km per liter.
divide km per liter by .42509 to get miles per gallon.

Jeff Swanson

At 11:45 PM 5/12/97 -0700, Adrian Redmond wrote:

>Any of you mathematicians out there got a simple formula for converting
>between mpg (UK) mpg (US) and Km per Liter? It would help my
>spreadsheet!

Jeff Swanson
Mechanical Engineer
Qualcomm, Inc. 
Boulder, CO Office
303-473-6739  FAX 303-473-6650
jeffws@qualcomm.com

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:27:05 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: ADD CARB! Mileage (kilometerage)

Jeff Swanson wrote:
> Although I wouldn't consider myself a mathematician, this should work.> > 1 mile/gal * 1gal / 3.785liters * 1.609km / 1mile = .42509 km/liter
> so multiply miles per gallon times .42509 to get km per liter.
> divide km per liter by .42509 to get miles per gallon.
> Jeff Swanson
Thanks jeff - was that US or UK gallons, any other offers out there?

US > KM 
UK > KM
US > UK
UK > US
KM > UK
KM > US
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:53:48 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: SER: barbie on a grill???
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Beckett, Ron wrote:
> Is this an Urban myth?  Do we Aussies cook on Series grilles (except
> SIII
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> Regards,
> Ron BEckett
1. My grille stays where it is as LR designed it to compliment the
overall aerodynamic design and increase highway speeds.
2. My grille stays where it is as LR designed it. Not many books record
it, but the size of the grille "grid" was settled on after extensive
testing in Northern Australia. If the size was too small our large
mosquitos and flies would build up on the grille and look unsightly...
 Cheers Ron

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:06:17 -0600
From: Jeff Swanson <jeffws@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: ADD CARB! Mileage (kilometerage)

US gallon

At 12:27 AM 5/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Jeff Swanson wrote:
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Mechanical Engineer
Qualcomm, Inc. 
Boulder, CO Office
303-473-6739  FAX 303-473-6650
jeffws@qualcomm.com

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:53:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Waxoyl: Good News

In a message dated 97-05-12 12:20:20 EDT, you write:

<< ust called Triple-C  to order the summer's pumping of waxoyl.  They told
me
 that although they were having trouble getting it in for a while, their
 supplier has informed them, that there should be no problem now.  (I believe
 she said, "There'll be a flood of it coming in"). >>
What/where is Triple-C, ie where does one buy waxoyl in the US?

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: first car
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:03:52 +0000

My first car was 1951 Chevy Deluxe 4 dr. It was an ancient nerds car,
purchased 1962
Now my second car was anything but a nerdmobile, 1954 Chevy convertable
(RED), purchased 1963.
My first and so far only Land-Rover,1966 109 sIIa sw 12 seater, purchased 1971.

Jim Wolf the above named Vicky by my two girls long ago. No it's short for
Queen Victoria of England. I really don't know except that she to was fat,
underpowered and liked to throw her weight around, around the world.

Keep On (Land-Rover) Truckin'
protsmouth, VA USA

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:22:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: Survey of Millionaires Ranks Range Rover `Best Of The Best'

Check this out about Range Rovers...for all you Millionaires!
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:	AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net
Date: 97-05-12 15:47:14 EDT

    LANHAM, Md., May 12 /PRNewswire/ -- For those who can afford the best of
everything, the luxurious British-built Range Rover is at the top of their
sport utility list, according to the Robb Report.
          The powerful off-road vehicle with regal presence on or
off-pavement joins
Cartier jewelry, Cuvee Dom Perignon Champagne, Rolex watches and a total of
42 other premier products ranked "Best Of The Best" in the ninth annual Robb
Report survey of its readers and contributing experts.  With readers who
include 63 percent of the world's truly wealthy and who average $3.5 million
in net worth, the magazine is ranked as the world's leading authority on the
luxury lifestyle.
          "When your customers say you are the best, there is no higher
tribute to
the product and to the people who make it and sell it," said Charles R.
Hughes, president, Land Rover North America, Inc.  "It adds to the momentum
of
our business, with record sales in April, dedication of a new North American
headquarters and steady expansion of our national network of unique Land
Rover
Centres."
          Robb Report's recognition is the latest in Range Rover's remarkable
history in the United States.  Credited with sparking the luxury sport
utility
sales boom in the U.S. following its introduction here in 1987, Range Rover
and its Discovery and Defender 90 stablemates have steadily increased their
sales and have accumulated numerous accolades from automotive journalists
along the way.
          "When you specialize in four-wheel drive for 50 years as only Land
Rover
has, winning honors year after year takes on added significance," Hughes
noted.  "They reinforce a process of steady refinements and improvements in
the breed, if you will, that keeps us at the front of the pack."
          Range Rover has been hailed as the "gold standard" of sport utility
vehicles since its North American debut.  And, it has been the top choice in
five of those years by one or more U. S. magazines, including:  Automobile,
Four Wheeler, Playboy, Popular Science and the Robb Report as well as by
television's MotorWeek program.
          Range Rover is a permanent four-wheel drive sport utility vehicle
powered
by an aluminum, multi-point, fuel-injected V-8 engine.  It has a steel ladder
frame, aluminum and steel body panels, electronically adjustable ride height,
leather interior and a comprehensive list of standard features and amenities.
There are two Range Rover models, the 4.0 SE and the 4.6 HSE.
          Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of
Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England.
The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG.  To locate the
nearest
Land Rover retailer, call 1-800 FINE-4WD or visit the company's Website at
www.LandRover.com.
      SOURCE  Land Rover North America, Inc.
      CO:  Land Rover North America, Inc.
      ST:  Maryland
      IN:  AUT
      SU:

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:31:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: SerII Grill Cooking

Lenny,
     After heating the grill to cooking temperature several times, I doubt
there'll be much zinc left.
Melting temp is below 900 degrees fahrenheit (I'm not sure of the whitworth
equivalent temperature).           A scrub with a wire brush while hot will
remove most traces of remaining zinc. Just to be safe, throw on a couple of
steaks and cook them up for the neighborhood felines. Once the grill has
been cooked on, corrosion should be minimal. I believe the bulk of cooking
below the equator used the grill as a grate to support cooking utensils, not
as a cooking surface. Can any Aussies out there confirm this?
           Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:39:14 -0500
From: blainh@accent.net (Blain Hughes)
Subject: 900-16 Tires & Frame Transplant

I'm posting this for a member of the TARC. Can anyone suggest a supplier in
the US or Can for new tires of the size 900-16
On the home front the frame exchange continues. The bad news I missed my
self imposed deadline of April 30. The good news at least at the moment I'm
still married. I now have a rolling chassis with brakes, bulkhead, bulkhead
wiring installed. The engine is in place and will turn over. I have had the
panels all repaired and they are waiting for painting. Then I should be
able to assemble the rest of the vehicle and take the bride for a spin. I
hope to be finished by June 15. I will keep the list informed.
Blain

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:14:08 -0700
From: "Clinton D. Coates" <Clinton_Coates@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: BC Trip

I tried to send this backchannel but it was returned
#####################

Hi there!

I hope you have a great time in Canada.  Are you travelling on your own 
or on
a tour?  If you have time, feel free to drop in while going through 
Kamloops
(we may have room on the floor if you wish!).  Phone number is (250) 
578-7372
or (250) 578-8544.

> Hi to all LR fans In Canada,
> Myself and my girfriend are travelling to Canada on the 9th June 1997, we
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> o
> Kamloops, then to Whislter and back to Vancouver.

You are getting a pretty good look at the province.  I assume you will be
going from Prince George, through the pine pass to Dawson Creek, then 
into
Alberta thfough Jasper and Banff, then to 'loops?  You might like to do 
the
Kamloops/Whistler trip over the Duffy Lake road instead of the 
freeway...if
your vehicle has good brakes.

> My question is there anything that I should not miss on a tour like this an=
> d
> are there any tourist places not worth going to?

Every tourist place in BC is worth going to  :-)   (Shameless plug for BC
Tourism!)

> Also is there any small rare objects for LR etc that anybody wants( only go=
> t
> two suitcases and hand luggage so no engines/gearboxes/chassis please)

If you can find a cheap good used layshaft assembly for an overdrive, I 
would
be ecstatic....

> Also can any body reocmmend good reasonable resaurants etc

Give me some time to think about restaurants.

> Also are clothes etc chaeper  there than here in the UK..

I am not sure of the conversions today.  However, following in CAN$.
Levi 501 Jeans are about 50-55
Good 'no name brand' jeans 25-35
T-shirts  10-20
Sweatshirts 20-25
Good Heavy Hiking Boots (ie Scarpa) 200-400
Light hikers 50-150
Long Sleeved 'bush shirt' 30-50 (depends)
Casual cotton pants 25-50
Goretex parka 150-300
Goretex bomber 100
Socks (pair) 1-8 (depends!)

As always  YMMV

Email me with your itinerary/days allowed and we can talk about what to 
see!

Regards

Clinton

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:07:01 -0400
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: ARB Operating Pressure Info.

Jim,

On the same thread, any idea of the operating pressure and CFM ratings for
the RR EAS pump?

At 12:36 PM 05/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I've recently been completing installation of a ARB
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Hope this might help someone.
>cheers,
>Jeremy
Cheers,

Brian Cramer
(888)434-4678 office
(609)273-9708 home
'94 D90 (#1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII SWB

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:03:11 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Leaking heads

Clinton wrote:

>Any ideas why my head gasket leaked?

Well, I learned a lesson when I rebuilt the little Atomic 4 in my sailboat.  
Seems that it has to be retorqued *four* times.  Once on assembly, once
after start-up, once after run-up to operating temps, then again a week or 
so later.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:03:15 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Zenith Blockers

Richard Marsden wrote:

>What are the symptoms if the port isn't blocked.

Exactly as you described, though a warped carb or degraded o-ring can also 
cause similar symptoms.  It usually takes a year's worth of "oxygenated"
fuel to degrade the ring, though.  New carbs can behave badly, due to the 
factory's annealing - or lack thereof - process.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:05:38 -0700
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: 900-16 Tires & Frame Transplant

Blain,

>I'm posting this for a member of the TARC. Can anyone suggest a supplier in
>the US or Can for new tires of the size 900-16

I don't know what you are wanting these for.  If for a 101FC and if you
want SERIOUS off-road tyres, don't mind that they are bias-ply, Interco
Super Swamper TSLs are available in 34x9.00x16 and boy, do they look tall,
skinny, and mean!  Excellent in mud and for rock crawling.  Not very good
in snow or hard dirt/gravel/sand.  There is a radial version a little wider
and not quite as tall: 33x10.50R16.  Available from National Tyre and
several other suppliers (look in any American 4x4 magazine).

Also I think you can get Michelin XCLs and XZLs from Safari Gard in So.
California.  E-mail to... opps!  I don't have the address here at home any
more.

Granny

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Metrics
Date: Tue, 13 May 97 08:38:00 PDT

What makes you think we've abandoned imperial measures? (Oh and we're 
British, not English. Scots like myself get very uppity on this issue :-)). 
I'm still 5' 7" and 11 stone, I still drink pints and I still travel 10 
miles to work. My Landy will NEVER return a fuel consumption figure in l/100 
km:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: DONOHUEPE
Subject: Metrics
Date: 12 May 1997 12:18

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

On 8 May, Michael Carradine responded to Ron Beckett's history of Land Rover
fasteners, stating: "The US is the biggest holdout to metricization."

George Washington recommended that the US adopt the metric system.  His good
advice was disregarded in favor of the English system, as England was then
the main trading partner.

My first visit to the rainy island was before their money went metric.
Pound, Shilling and Pence seemed somehow appropriate for the folks that gave
us inches, feet, miles, quarts, gallons, ounces and pounds.

Isn't it odd that England has abandoned their old system and we are still
stuck with it?

Paul Donohue
1965 2.77m Land Rover

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: SerII Grill Cooking
Date: Tue, 13 May 97 9:09:28 BST

> Melting temp is below 900 degrees fahrenheit (I'm not sure of the whitworth
> equivalent temperature).
That is the Whitworth temperature!! See, I've no idea what that is, except its
hot! Fahrenheit just don't make sense. I've learnt 32F and have a rough
idea upto about 100F (for weather temps) and that is it.

Celsius/Centigrade or Kelvin are much better! :-

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:57:28 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: RE: Metrics

What makes you think we've abandoned imperial measures? (Oh and we're
British, not English. Scots like myself get very uppity on this issue :-)).
I'm still 5' 7" and 11 stone, I still drink pints and I still travel 10
>miles to work. My Landy will NEVER return a fuel consumption figure in l/100
>km:-)
Hear,hear!
I think the basic problem is that of actually changing(though I admit
to a thorough loathing of the metric "system").When you change a system
of weights and measures,screw threads,et al,you inevitably have a far
greater "in use" stock of the system you are changing *from*,a fact
largely ignored by an enthusiastic industry,just waiting to get its
hands on all those lovely ackers.And,of course,the ackers dont
necessarily materialise.As an example,a friend of my father's who
at the time had a garage,went to a tool fair to buy a set of UNC/UNF
taps and dies.He lived in a village,and the local farmers treated
their cars like they treated their field gates,and he needed the
tackle to clean up mistreated threads.BUT.Metrication had been
announced."'Ow many sets d'yer want,mate",he was asked."One of
each" he said."Cant do it mate,sorry",came the reply,"Could get
yer a dozen of each in six munfs"."Why?"."Metrication,mate,UNC
an'UNF is specials yer see,nah,we're doin' der metric stuff
in production".So off he went,and bought what he wanted from
somewhere else.
The next year,same thing,except *this* time he needed some metric
taps and dies."Ow many sets d'yer want,mate"......
"Yer,well,yer see,we nearly went f*****g bust dint we"."No bugger
bloody well *wanted* metric crap,so we 'ad to go back to Imperial
an' American,dint we,so metric is special,nah innit".
This is absolutely true,he told me himself.
In my view,there's no intrinsic advantage to metric.I know several
dealers in fasteners etc who even now wish it to perdition,saying
the system itself is far worse than Imperial *ever* was.I also
used to know a Prof in Mechanical Engineering(now retired) who refused to
convert his departmental workshop to metric.When asked why,he said
"I shall convert to the metric system,when it is decided *which*
metric system is to be used.Until then,I shall retain the system
which has some order to it".I hasten to add that this man was far
from being reactionary.His opinion on screw threads(which is what
really concerns us,unless you are trying to build a garage attached
to your house,the latter being built before bricks went funny)was
that Imperial was far from perfect,but the Americans had got a better
system of screw threads that had largely been adopted here during and
after the war.This system,in his view,we should have officially
adopted years previuously,and I must say I agree with him.Just
my tuppence three farthings worth...

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Zenith Port-Blocking Brigade
Date: Tue, 13 May 97 10:17:03 BST

> Alexander Grice advised me last week to block the port - I tried this,
> but it only resulted in the engine pouring a lot of fould black smoke
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> And why didn't it help on my carb?
> Anyone the wiser? Please post!

Looking at the parts manual for the SIII (civillian) and the petrol Haynes
(well I guess it wouldn't be diesel, would it? :-) ), one of the ports has
a "plug". This plug even has a part number. So, its meant to be there.
It would seem after-market Zeniths are sold without the plug, and this is
for vehicles which don't require it.

I haven't taken mine apart yet, but Alexander also lists the warped
body (bad annealing during manufacture) and O-ring as problems which may
give similar  symptoms as mine. Perhaps these are at fault?

Mine is a new Zenith. Why didn't Zenith/Solex correct the annealing when
they noticed there was a problem?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Zenith Blockers
Date: Tue, 13 May 97 11:07:11 BST

> Richard Marsden wrote:
> >What are the symptoms if the port isn't blocked.
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> fuel to degrade the ring, though.  New carbs can behave badly, due to the 
> factory's annealing - or lack thereof - process.  Cheers

Hmm, I've heard a lot about this annealing. I wonder why they didn't correct
the problem when it was discovered?

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to take it apart...

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:21:00 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Metrics

George Washington recommended that the US adopt the metric system.  His good
advice was disregarded in favor of the English system, as England was then
>the main trading partner.
Six and two threes,at the time.There wasnt a metric "system",and the
old joke about which weighed more,a pound(or kilo) of lead or a
pound(or kilo) of feathers wasnt a joke,since all trades had their own
weights.The Imperial System(to give it the proper title) was formalised
by a committee during the reign of Queen Victoria,and was called Imperial
'cos the committe were a bunch of creeps,probably.Similarly,the current
"Metric" system is actually the S.I system,which I believe was devised
in about 1911,and was so complicated no-one dared adopt it.Its perhaps
worth noting that the committee that set out to design the horse ended
up with the camel,so they say:-))

>My first visit to the rainy island was before their money went metric.
>Pound, Shilling and Pence seemed somehow appropriate for the folks that gave
>us inches, feet, miles, quarts, gallons, ounces and pounds.
Money didnt go metric,it went decimal.One result being that these days
kids have to be taught counting to differing bases as a separate(and
probably unnecessary) excercise.Whereas with the old coinage it came
naturally.Twelve pennies to the shilling,twenty shillings to the quid.
But of course you couldnt get a calculator to do it for you,and there
were all those LED calculators crying out to be sold,werent there?
Of course,these days,the possibility is that you *could* get a
calculator to do it.....And anyway,it is becoming necessary to
ban calculators in schools for kids below a certain age.They cant
count!
>Isn't it odd that England has abandoned their old system and we are still
>stuck with it?
>us inches, feet, miles, quarts, gallons, ounces and pounds.
Shows a good deal of common sense on your part,I would have said.I was
under the impression that you actually adapted it to suit yourselves,
though.Metric may *look* good from the outside looking in,but once
you are on the inside looking out....forget it.

Cheers

Mike Rooth
'70 22hands WB S11A

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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 06:33:09 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Waxoyl: Good News

Hi all - I need to get some more Waxoyl but importing it individually from 
the UK makes it only slightly less expensive than gold plating. The local 
NAPA outlet is doing quite well bringing in stuff I ask for (the next - I 
hope - will be SHPD engine oil for the Tdi). Can anyone tell me if NAPA in 
the US ever stocks Waxoyl?
TIA.
Allan.

 

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