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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 06:26:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: Sighting

That must have been the color.  I didn't realize they were altering their
normal D90 color scheme on these.  Guess you get a bird's eye view.  :-)

At 10:10 PM 5/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Since i live about 10 min from LRNA's HQs, I take a drive by there every

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
>Regards,
>David Glaser
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:43:26 -0400
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: SIII 2.25 petrol OVERHEATED (fixed)

After adding only 3 quarts of H2O to the rad it seems to run cool now.  The
only thing I can figure is that whilst driving to and from thr first FLRC
meeting it boiled off (3 hrs each leg,  possible?) I can't figure why it
didn't take the antifreeze/water mix from the reserve tank...  I'd like to
thank Alan Richer, Richard Marsden and Larry Smith for helping me diagnose
this problem

Cheers

end
74 SIII 88 (Chester)  179,000+
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:44:59 -0400
Subject: Re: SIII 2.25 petrol OVERHEATED (fixed)

>From the sound of this I'd definitely replace the radiator cap and the
rubber hose to the overflow tank.

One of 'em's blowing off pressure where it shouldn't and i'll almost swear
the other's leaking.....

                         ajr

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:51:41 -0400
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: Age and First Cars

My first     Aug 80  New Jeep CJ-5   totaled in Sep (DWI 16yo)
ver 1.1      Sep 80  New Jeep CJ-7   Much safer (HA!)

Cheers

end
74 SIII 88 (Chester)  179,000+
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 07:59:05 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Sighting

> That must have been the color.  I didn't realize they were altering >their normal D90 color scheme on these.

I remember a few months ago, my local LR dealer told me that the last
few Defenders will be painted in "special" colors.  As far as I know of,
this alteration is not printed in any literature. 

Regards,
David G

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 07:29:15 -0500
From: Clare & Lee Dunkelberg <clarelee@smart1.net>
Subject: Landys by the Seaside

Landys by the Seaside

> Whilst discussing the suitability of a LR as a support vehicle for SCUBA
> diving on another list, some disagreement was had about how well it would
> stand up to a life beside the sea and full of wet diving gear.
> Apart from the frame and other steel bits, will exposure to salt water
> result in excessive corrosion of the Brimabright?

Theory:
Steel, aluminium and salt water create a reasonable battery. The
aluminum will migrate towards the steel and a hole surrounded by white
powder will be left; galvanic corrosion.

Regards,
David Cockey

*******DOWN HERE!!!!!!!!*************8
Hello, hello.

More than just theory, Master Cockney.
Our D-90, "Beast", spent its first year on the beach, I am told.  After
we bought it, Land Rover replaced the doors due to corrosion, and I just
found a new spot on the driver's side floor.
Having said that.  After living in Corpus Christi for five years, I have
witnessed such ravages against ferrous vehicles as you can't imagine. 
Basically, I guess no one is immune.
We are told a good, regular, freshwater rinsing will work to ward off
such problems.
Peformance?  "Beast" loves the beach as would a Labrador.  On North
Padre Island at the Padre Island National Seashore, they have a
four-wheel drive ONLY area.  It is relatively deserted (the farther
south you go the less likely you are to see folks you would WANT to run
across and more likely to find bales of pot washed ashore).
STAY OUT OF THE DUNES!!!!!
However, you're welcome on the beach.
Cheers!

Lee D.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fwd: welding birmabrite

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Forwarded message:

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:35:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: welding birmabrite

Todd: Now I am confused. I thought that this stuff would be the "philosophers
stone" of Birmabrite, and your info comes like a douse of cold water.
(Thanks, I needed that).
 Now I am going to post a reply to the list in hopes that it will start a
long tortured thread on the subject of the BEST method of joining two pices
of Birmabrite in a permanent manner. Possible topics include, but are not
limited to:
 DIY backyard special: pop rivets and bondo ( for quick sale artists);
Alum-a-weld or similar low heat (low distortion)  jointing ( a form of
solder?) as discussed, i.e. has anyone actually used this on Birmabrite?;
Fancy professional methods beyond my skill and otherwise unknown to me (
conventional welding, TIG welding, what have you).
Lets hear the learned opinions. Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Sighting
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 13:00:01 GMT

On Thu, 08 May 1997 22:10:37 -0400, you wrote:

. . . .
>Defenders which had new colors.  I saw Defenders painted in Rioja Red, a
>metalic British racing green color which was borrowed from the RR and
>Disco, i think its called Willow green? . . . .

The Disco Willow Green is pretty close to olive drab.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: Max Mawdsley <maxm@wpds.com>
Subject: Pre-Production 101's
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:25:14 +-100

Could readers of the list please help with some historically based =
information on LR 101's ?

I understand from information available on various web-pages, that about =
45 101's were made as pre-production vehicles.

What I am trying to find out is how many pre-production 101's are still =
out there and where are they.

The reason for the request is that a non-Internet friend bought a 101 to =
break for spares, but is hesitating about it because the vehicle is a =
pre-production model.

All responses gratefully recevived.

Max Mawdsley
maxm@wpds.com

84 Range Rover

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From: tchris@smart1.net (Velardi, Theron)
Subject: Re: Strike! (was: Whitworth, Metric and A/F Differences)
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:34:27 -0400

Yes I second the motion!

----------
| From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
| To: rro@playground.sun.com; Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
|  Can we, say by the year 2000, just adopt one standard and be done with
|  it??  With Land Rover now being a BMW company, a unified Europe, and
Hong
|  Kong reverting to China, et al, let us choose metric and get on with
it!!
|  Car owners of the World unite!
| -M "Metric Course" C                                The US is the biggest
|                               'Fine' by me!       holdout to
| Date: Thursday, May 08, 1997 10:02 PM

metricization 
|                        ______  /                            \     
|  Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land
Rovers
|  Architect             [________]              
www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
|  510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA
94597 

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Subject: Re: Landys by the Seaside
Date: Fri, 9 May 97 15:09:25 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Whilst discussing the suitability of a LR as a support vehicle for SCUBA
>diving on another list, some disagreement was had about how well it would
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Apart from the frame and other steel bits, will exposure to salt water
>result in excessive corrosion of the Brimabright?
 
Looking around at the types of 'Launch-vehicles' used on the UK south 
coast I would say that LRs are THE vehicle of choice if you discount all 
those ancient VW Campers that is.

Obviously the salt water is going to affect the steel bits but regular 
washing/cleaning will hold off the inevitable for quite a few years also 
the Aluminium bits will outlast the steel of other makes of vehicle by a 
hefty margin I don't think you should worry about a Series LR or older 
90/110 holding up to that kind of use unless you leave it parked 
permanently up to the door tops in the briny stuff. (I say older 90/110s 
because thay have more galvanised bits than new ones go for ones thast 
are NOT called Defender)

Simon W-H
'85 110 V8

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:08:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Strike! (was: Whitworth, Metric and A/F Differences)

Re: Complete metrication:

Good....you two can show up with a machine shop and completely rethread my
109...

     aj"Keep your metric twaddle - thread differences are what lathes are
for!"r

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 09:15:59 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: SA Diplomat

>  Lee wrote:
> > Actually, weuns in Texas can split into about five different states,
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> Cheers,
> Reggie

Hey buckaroos, Texas IS the largest state in the union.  Alaska is all
ice if you melted it down it would be half the size of Texas!!

Rover On!

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Age and birthdays

Sandy,

My truck turned 25 on the 15th of March and I turn 42 Tuesday (yes, born on
Friday the 13th).  So far no proble#$%^RHGSG&HGfgq;er45iu3[p43rji   WOOPS!!!
  8^)

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:46:52 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Pre-Production 101's

Max, just what is your friend going to do once he finds all those 101s ?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: kelliott@intranet.ca (Keith Elliott)
Subject: Series Brakes

I know, the brakes on a Series truck is something that has been beaten to
death here a million times before :) but I don't recall anyone having the
problem I am having with mine (maybe). I have just replaced all flex lines
and some of the steel lines also. After repeated bleeding and pressure
bleeding (we even jacked the front end up a few feet) I have no air bubbles
in the fluid but the pedal goes quite close to the floor before there is
pressure. I have adjusted all the brakes and it made no difference (as I
type this it still sounds like air in the lines but where?!?!!?). Would it
be a good idea to try and bleed the master cylinder by cracking the lines at
the cylinder?

Keith Elliott

'61 Ser II 88"  "Ol' Yeller"

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:29:38 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: ANOTHER GET-TOGETHER FER D.C.

Time to meet for another session of BBQ and BS. NOT another hang-out at 
Don Beyer's this time! Same place as last time...the Sweetgum picnic area 
of Greenbelt Park on Sunday, May 18th. 12 noon or as close to that as you 
can get. Hopefully, we can all retreat to the Yellowgate area for a bit 
of off-roading after the meeting. Planning for Assateague and WV will  
firm up, as well as the Quantico HMMV track, if we can find that lady who 
said she could get us out there.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:37:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Series Brakes

Clamp the flexes first - if you don't get solid pedal then, then you know
where your problem is.

If you do, release them one at a time, and the troublesome one will rear
its ugly head.....

                    aj"I own a 109 - been there many times....."r

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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 1980 05:52:42 -0800
From: Stephen Johnson <slpw1965@eis1.eis.com.eg>
Subject: Land Rovers in Seaside

Here is a question for people in the Pacific Northwest:

In the late 1970's I used to get my Land Rover hit (I have been a LR fan 
since driving one from Harar to Addis Ababa, skirting the Danakili 
Depression, in Ethiopia in 1966) by driving north out of Seaside, Oregon, 
on Hwy 101 and stopping to look through a chain link fence behind an 
antique shop on the west side of the road.  There were six or eight Land 
Rovers of different types squeezed into a small lot.  Once I asked the 
manager of the shop about the cars in back and was told that the owner 
was planning to put diesel motors in all of them.  Does anyone know what 
happened to those Land Rovers?

Steve Johnson
slpw1965@eis.com.eg

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:55:17 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Airborne Ranger's Rover

There's another display out on the Mall here in D.C. today. It consists 
of alphabet-soup Government agencies as well as the armed forces. The 
military has stolen the show with their tanks, helicopters, guns and 
jets. Inside one of the tents was a "modified" Land Rover 110. Looking 
like its brother the "Pink Panther" 'cept for the OD camo pattern, it had 
the requisite fifty cal on the rollcage and a SAW on the hood. Doors were 
removed and the windshield deleted. I couldn't get around to the backend, 
but it appeared to have fuel can mounts and some other add-ons to allow 
them to haul around the TOW rocket launcher and their other weaponry. 
They had their rucks hung from the rear portion of the rollcage. Up 
front, there is a brush bar made from regular bar stock, but no winch ( 
Rangers would likely lift it out of trouble with their brute strength and 
much grunting) It'll be there tomorrow too, I think. BTW, these guys are 
in Ft. Ben, so you Georgia folks might run into them one day!
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Chip Mautz <cmautz@mindspring.com>
Subject: diesel or petrol/gas?
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:12:30 -0400

Another question...

After reading about the durability and long life of diesel engines =
(there's an old Santana in the latest issue of Land Rover Owner down in =
Peru with some 400,000 miles on it - and they said it was just breaking =
in!!

What type of (reasonable) life should you get out of a petrol/gas =
engine?  Is it really worth it to get the diesel?  Is there a huge =
power/torque difference between the two?

What about part availability in the us?

While on my quest for a project Series LR, I've begun to think that an =
88", RHD, Diesel LR would be pretty cool...

Thanks

Chip

Greenbrier & Russel
Consulting, Education & Software
Atlanta, GA Branch

Looking For Land Rovers, In All The Wrong Places...

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From: "Brian Cotton (bcotton@lia.co.za)" <Brian.Cotton@lia.lia.net>
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 20:43:16 +0000
Subject: Which Carburettor ?

Gentlemen, Lets broaden our minds !

I am currently building a MONSTER and it requires a potent 
carburettor to fit it's sort-of-standardish 4 cyl 2.25 LR engine.

I chatted to various people who recommend a WEBER 36 DCD for best 
results. They say that 2 x WEBER 40 side draughts will not work so 
well at lower revs.

Is there any advantage in using the STROMBER 175 CD (from 6 cyl 2.6L)
or maybe 2 of them ? I actually have some of these in my grubby 
paw.

Is there any other carb that I can use- preferably a Weber since the 
agency is close by.

Whats the difference between a variable ventury carb and a fixed 
ventury carb ? 

NOTE: I DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMY, I WANT PEFORMANCE !
I'll change the inlet manifold to suit the carb/s

Cheers
Brian Cotton
South Africa

Replies can be direct to bcotton@lia.co.za or to the digest.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:25:01 -6
Subject: bye-bye (for a week)

I'm going to be out of the office next week, so am unsubscribing. If 
you need to reach me, please e-mail me directly, I'll be checking my 
mail periodically.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:57:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Which Carburettor ?

Brian,

>Is there any other carb that I can use- preferably a Weber since the 
>agency is close by.

Weber makes some big downdraught carb, too, including four-barrels, I think.

>NOTE: I DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMY, I WANT PEFORMANCE !
>I'll change the inlet manifold to suit the carb/s

To get a big performance gain, you'll have to change more than the inlet
manifold.  You'll need a different cam profile, probably different valve
timing, and higher compression.

Granny

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:24:55 -0400 (SAT)
From: Jose Trisotti <jtrisott@reuna.cl>
Subject: Serie I  1953

Hi LRO :
Same times I ask about SI , becuase  I am restoring one .  Now , I need to
build  the back panel with the window in the Tropical Cab . Can anybody who
has one send me the measure  or de design .  I have the S I book but only
has a  draw without the size .

Another thing where can I buy the lights , ( the side and the back ) 

If anybody are interested I can send photos or pictures of my S I and my two
LR Santana .

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 21:29:52 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Strike! (was: Whitworth, Metric and A/F Differences)

I cannot resist a somewhat tongue in cheek reply to the thread about
harmonising metric threads. I know that my opinion will seem a little
"imperial" and may even provoke a flame or two - but here goes.

I will desist from proponing the arguable pros and cons of the various
threads, they all seem to screw together pretty well. This is more a
matter of the heart than a matter of tensile science.

But - there are only about 6 or 7 AF/UNF threads on a Land Rover body
and mechanics, plus the odd BA thrown in for good measure in the
electrics. These threads are part of the identity of our little
aluminium wonders, a final bastion against the very bavarian
harmonisation which in the course of the next few years will probably
render the series a thing of the past (if you, as I consider the
defender a Series 5).

To tackle these threads demands few special tools, most can be tackled
succesfully with a set of metric spanners covering numbers 8, 10, 11,
13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 24, 27.

My experience in Europe is that AF/UNF nuts and bolts are better built -
as they are manufactured for engineering, whereas SOME metric
ironmongery may only be designed for woodwork, and d-i-y applications.
OK the price may be right, but who needs a cheap stripped thread anyway.

Let's acknowledge our thread heritage as part and parcel of our cars,
and keep it. At least no-one is interested in borrowing our nuts and
bolts, and our tools remain recognisably our own.

On the other hand we could let the Bavarian Motor Werk and their
plethora of overpaid, over-bribed lobbyists decide the future for us,
first we convert to euro-threads, then to euro-parts, then suddenly we
wake up one day and find that the entire sub-contractor market in the
UK, who make the parts geniune or otherwise, is suddenly out of
business, and we are unable to get the parts we need to keep our timely
vehicvles on the road.

The first job i have done with all the landies I have had contact with,
is to exorcise non-original threads from the vehicle, and return them to
standard, makes for less hassles and fewer spanners in pocket.

In my humble opinion that is.

Adrian Redmond

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 15:31:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Which Carburettor ?

On Fri, 9 May 1997, "Brian Cotton (bcotton@lia.co.za)" 
>NOTE: I DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMY, I WANT PEFORMANCE !

And you bought a Land Rover ... why?  

:)

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 21:44:42 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Engine timing

Well I did it - I heard what you all said - GET A TIMING STROBE!
so today i went and looked at what was on offer - most expensive was a
Bosch gun at kr.2400, cheapest a Equus cheapie at kr.199 - I plumped for
the more full facilities Equus at 599. It can set hi and low revs,
distributor timing, carb vaccuum calibration, and dwell.

Trouble is - now I have to find out how to use it. First I am searching
for the timing mark on the pulley wheel.

Then I must find out the ideal/specified timing position (we're still
talking Series III, 2.25 petrol) - what is it relative to TDC?

And how about dwell? how long should the dwell duration be?

I gather I need to set the following -

Contacts gap
Dwell time
Distributor phase (timing)
Vaccuum adv/retard
Low rpm
Low running setting on carb "mixture screw" (sorry Alexander!)

any of you petrol afficionados out there who call tell me what order to
do this work in?

Anyone know the similar correct pårocedure for a Ferguson 31 (T20)
tractor?

Anyone know how to use such a strobe light to set the low running
(tick-over) rpm of a diesel (can this be done this way?)

Thanks in advance (or is it retard?)
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: ser 2 clutch

 A common problem with ser 2 clutch action is the pins that pass through the
sleeve on the actuation shaft.
 The cylinder actates  crank on the end of the clutch cross shaft. this
cross shaft is connected to the gearbox by a piece of tube. This tube is pin
jointed to the  gearbox shaft and the cross shaft.
,
  These pins often break. the effect is to create a lot of backlash in the
clutch operating  linkage. This has the effect of making the clutch operate
more like an on/ off switch.    A word of advice, I have seen the pins break
inside the shaft, the two ends appeared to be good. Observe tha action VERY
closely to ensure that the parts turn properly.  The pins can easily be
replaced by a piece of 1/4 " dia rod or a  long 1/4' bolt.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:10:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Welsh ARC International

Who on the list is entering, or attending the ARC International in Wales ?.

I have entered both the RTV and CCV, not that I am at all competative in the
CCV but like to drive as much of the sections as I can. I am concerned that
with only two weeks to go I still have not received my entry pack as promised
in the confirmation letter, has any one else recieved it ?.

Perhaps a meeting could be arranged for members of the list ?. It would be
great to put faces to some of the names on the list. If you are going watch
out for a guy with grey beard driving a NATO green Coil Sprung Lightweight
Rag Top with Yellow Wheels Reg No NVX 983J, it will be me.

I am posting this to both lists, dont take offence, lets all get together.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight / Range-Rover Hybrid

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From: Jim Laurel <jplaurel@microsoft.com>
Subject: News Flash!  NAS D90 Hardtop Allocation
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:52:35 -0700

I just got back from our local LR dealer here in Bellevue, Washington
(near Seattle) where they advised me that they'd just gotten word that
there will indeed be another allocation of NAS D90 hard tops before the
end of the year.  Hurray!

Here's the word:
There will be approximately 2000 additional hardtops allocated to North
America in all colors.  These should start hitting dealers around
September.  A special edition will appear around October or November as
a final hurrah for the NAS D90 before they leave for good (or at least
for the forseeable future).  The special edition will comein one color
(willow green), and have the expedition roofrack and diamond plate on
the wingtops.  Unfortunately, before they were able to get this
information to me, I had already arranged for one to be trucked in from
the dealer in Peabody MA, thinking that there wouldn't be any more
coming from Solihull this century.

These will go fast and the dealer here is already taking orders.  My
contact there is Lynda Julian at Land Rover Eastside at 206-455-9559.  I
bought my 1996 Discovery from her and she's always very pleasant and
helpful.  Let her know that I sent you - she'll treat you right.

Jim Laurel (Seattle, Washington)

1996 Alpine White Discovery SE7
1997 Alpine White D90 #170 (coming soon!)
1997 Silver Mercedes-Benz E420
1996 Red Jeep CJ7

BTW, I'm selling the CJ7, if anyone's interested.  -Gotta make room for
the D90 ;-)

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:27:38 -0700
From: Ben Mitchell <benha@datatools.com>
Subject: Re: News Flash!  NAS D90 Hardtop Allocation

Yeah right.

This is really it, guys.  This is the last you'll see of them.  No
more.  We really mean it this time.  No kidding.  

WOLF!!!  WOLF!!!  

Jim Laurel wrote:
> I just got back from our local LR dealer here in Bellevue, Washington
> (near Seattle) where they advised me that they'd just gotten word that
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> BTW, I'm selling the CJ7, if anyone's interested.  -Gotta make room for
> the D90 ;-)

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Subject: Re: News Flash! NAS D90 Hardtop Allocation 
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:36:48 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

In message <199705092210.MAA20834@unix.off-road.com>you write:

> I just got back from our local LR dealer here in Bellevue, Washington
> (near Seattle) where they advised me that they'd just gotten word that
> there will indeed be another allocation of NAS D90 hard tops before the
> end of the year.  Hurray!

	Interesting.  Same old LR song and dance.

> Here's the word:
> There will be approximately 2000 additional hardtops allocated to North
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> a final hurrah for the NAS D90 before they leave for good (or at least
> for the forseeable future).  

In 1993 LRNA said:  525 Defender 110s to North America.  This will be your only
                    chance to get a Defender.

In 1994 LRNA said:  3000 D90 soft tops ( approx 1500 1994 and 1500 in 1995) to
                    North America, and no more.  [At least 3200 were imported] 
                    No more Defenders ever again.

In 1995 LRNA said:  500 '95 Defender 90 Station Wagons (coming in 1996), and
                    no more.  This is it folks, no more, honest!

In 1996 LRNA said:  2500 Defender 90 Automatics, first 500 Station Wagons,
                    then 1500 Soft tops, then 500 Station Wagons ending in 
		    June.  Then no more.  This is it folks.  No more Defenders
		    ever again.  We really mean it this time.

In 1997 LRNA said:  2000 Defender 90 Hardtops (including a special edition)
		    in the fall.  Then no more.  This is it folks.  No
                    more Defenders ever again.  Honest. 

	While more Defenders in the US is a good thing, I'll believe the 
"this is it" phrase when they acutally stop importing them.  That line got
old a few years ago.    (Don't get me wrong--if I didn't have my SIII as
a gonzo off-roader, I'd probably be trying to get a D90).

	Heck while, I'm ranting, those of you with NAS Defenders that 
haven't seen it might want to look at:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Defender/FAQ.Def.NAS_Defender_VINs.html

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:10:03 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Interesting info
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Browsing the net in search of a better understanding of ignition theory,
timing and fuel economy/environmentality I discovered this very
interesting collection of pages.

http://ecep1.usl.edu/ecep/auto/auto.htm

worth a visit by my book...

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:12:21 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Serie I  1953

Jose Trisotti wrote:
> snip
> I need to
> build  the back panel with the window in the Tropical Cab . Can anybody who
> has one send me the measure  or de design .  

How much of the structure do you need dimensions for?
Which panel dimensions do you need?  

I have a SI cab top (no upper sun skin) ribs only on the roof, 
straight side and rear panels which sounds like what you need.
I can get some measurements for you if this is the case

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 06 May 97 22:47:23 +0000
Subject: SER. indicator problem! :-(

From:lenny@fof.coracle.com
 
Got a slight problem with my indicators! 
 
Everything works fine when I indicate RIGHT!!! 
 
However, when I indicate LEFT, sometimes instead of the left green arrow 
flashing, it flashes normally once, then BOTH arrows flash DIMLY!!!! 
 
It is intermittent, but annoying! 
 
I have a towbar and electrics fitted, there is a trailer yellow light 
fitted which flashes once when you indicate! It flashes constantly if 
the trailer indicators are ok. However when the above problem happens, 
the yellow light doesn't give it's custumary single flash! 
 
Mmmmm.... so is it...... 
 
Bad earth??? 
Towbar wiring???? 
Faulty indicator switch???? 
 
It never does it when I indicate RIGHT, and is intermittent. Maybe I've 
just discovered hazard flashers!! :-) 
 
Help!!! 

Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  22/5
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                         _______ 
   Lenny Warren,                                    ____/_|(__)|
   Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                        |--|__|_--_| 
__ 1980 ser III 88" Diesel   _____" LURCH "__________(o)____(o)______________
_____________________________________________________________________________

 
... Cat: My stomach has been pumped and now I'm hungry! Man, I just have to
... eat! : Rimmer's dad has died. : Well, I'd prefer chicken.
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, Armando S., Jr.)
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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:35:57 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SER. indicator problem! :-(

Lenny Warren wrote:

> Got a slight problem with my indicators!
> Everything works fine when I indicate RIGHT!!!
> However, when I indicate LEFT, sometimes instead of the left green arrow
> flashing, it flashes normally once, then BOTH arrows flash DIMLY!!!!

Sounds to me like a combination of a bad earth and a blown lamp on the
faulty side.

Out of curiousity, does your truck have a hazard warning switch - what
happens if you use this - do they all light up and flash OK?

Places to suspect -

1.	Flasher unit behind instrument panel
2.	Bad connection in column switch
3.	Birdsnest each side of breakfast - loose connection, possibly to side
blinkers.
4.	That bundle of wet string/insulation tape, crimp connectors and
corroded wire which joins the cable loom from the rear chassis to the
box at the back - if the chassis has ever been repaired/replaced, there
could be faulty connections here.

5.	Faulty wiring to trailer socket (does this fault occure without
trailer connected?)

Good luck.
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Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:38:56 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: News Flash! NAS D90 Hardtop Allocation

Does anyone have any inside info?  Are they developing airbags?  Will
the Defender ever makes its way across the pond again?

Regards,
David G

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:25:55 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: AC for Series 

I remember a few weeks ago there was some discussion on fitting an ac in
a series LR.  I posted this message on the Rovers North page, but I
figured some of you might have not seen it.  There is a company called
Vintage Air.  They make compact, self contained ac/heating units for
classic and kit cars.  They advertise in several magazines and I know
they have been around for a while.  they have a web page:
www.vintageair.com.  I can't tell you about their products from personal
experience, but they seem legit.

Regards,
David Glaser

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Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 21:12:16 -0700
From: Daniel Oppenheim <daniel5@best.com>
Subject: Ser IIa Conversion for Expedition

My partner Julia and I need some help. We're preparing Kermit, our 1965 Ser
IIa 88", for a two month tour of South Africa (March - May 1998). We're
looking at ways to use the interior space VERY efficiently. Interior space
for sleeping is not an issue, as we will be using a car-top tent. 

We would like to hear from folks who have seen or actually done camper
conversions. Space for a propane, or LPG cook-top, refrigerator and sink,
storage and the hope of retaining one of the four rear seats (facing the
cook-top) Any thoughts? How have people addressed bathroom needs? We've got
a solar heated shower, for the occasional touch-up.

I'm interested in knowledge of the threads for gas, whether gas or
electricity is more efficient for refrigeration, what roads are like in
South Africa, names of equipment and dealers, basically any information you
can provide or send me to. I also would like to learn about a duel battery
system, with diverter, etc. I'm obviously a rookie as far as international
expeditions go, and probably aren't asking all the important questions. Any
help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. You can respond to :
daniel5@best.com.  Thanks in advance to all you great Land Rover lovers. By
the way, we're located in San Francisco, and use the truck as a daily driver.

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Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:04:35 -0700
From: FHYap <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Strike! (was: Whitworth ..) NO LR CONTENT

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> I cannot resist a somewhat tongue in cheek reply to the thread about
> harmonising metric threads. I know that my opinion will seem a little
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> harmonising metric threads. I know that my opinion will seem a little
> "imperial" and may even provoke a flame or two - but here goes.

I think we need to keep the US in English. Yeah, I know that's backward 
thinking -- but I'm too old to switch again.  In the late sixties I had 
to switch to SI because that was the way of the future.  Starting 
engineering school in Canada in the early 70s I had to switch back to 
English.  Towards the end of the program, Canada had planned to implement 
the metric system so I had to switch to metric again.  After graduation, 
and working in the design/construction industry, I had to go back to 
English. I came to the States in the late 70s and was told that the US 
would go metric.  (I recall looking at some government projects that were 
going to require metric but don't recall doing any. Didn't Caltrans start 
putting up highway distance signs with metric equivalent distances? The 
private sector wouldn't touch the stuff. )  The 80s came, then the 90s, 
and all my metric information and way of thinking have been thrashed.  
I'm content to live in this backward state.

Frank

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Whitworth, Metric and A/F Differences
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:41:00 +1000

Further to my previous message about Whitworth
sizes etc., I was right - there is a mathematical
relationship between the bolt size and the
across-flats spanner size.

According to Tubal Cain (nom de plume of an
engineer/writer for "Model Engineer" magazine
in his book "Drills, Taps and Dies" Joseph
Whitworth designed the nut such that the height
of the nut was equal to the bolt diameter and
the across-corner dimension equal to twice the
bolt diameter.  This works out to be root 3 times
(1.732) the bolt diameter.

So my measurements of nut sizes coming up with even
metric measurements was purely coincidental but still
useful.

If anyone wants any more info I can scan the section
of the book and email it to them.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia

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