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1 Lodelane@aol.com 14Re: tip of the day
2 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea15Defenders, Cat Threads etc
3 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea22Destruction of coins of the realm
4 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u20Re: Destruction of coins of the realm
5 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea23TARC April Fool's Errand
6 Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com 7unsubscribe
7 Adrian Redmond [channel637The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...
8 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u25Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...
9 "Orin Harding" [NAMGBR@m24Purchasing Parts in the UK
10 Mike Gaines [106220.123439In-line fuse holder tip
11 Mike Gaines [106220.123420RE ANS. LIGHTWEIGHT ENGINES
12 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us13Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know..
13 Jeremy John Bartlett [ba12Maxi Drive Engineering Australia?
14 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M26Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...
15 "Delve, Trefor" [delve1t30RE: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know..
16 Michael Slade [slade@ima25Re: Purchasing Parts in the UK
17 John Stiller [102746.13017V8 in a Series IIA???
18 Larry Michelon [kismet2@16DownEast Rallye
19 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi28Re: Destruction of coins of the realm
20 matthew_stein@gw.proctor16Re: DownEast Rallye
21 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea8British Car day
22 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 25Land Rovers Names
23 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 16coins as washers
24 "William L. Leacock" [wl20Telephone
25 Brian Tuffs [btuffs@norc21Temperature Guage
26 lroshop@idirect.com 22Re: DownEast Rallye
27 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.10Range Rover names
28 anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, 8Not read: Calling England HELP!!
29 "Bruce Davis" [daviscar@20calling England or finding a trans
30 Adrian Redmond [channel647Re: calling England or finding a trans
31 Adrian Redmond [channel665SIII Zenith/Solex Carb / points
32 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr15Re: coins as washers
33 rover@pinn.net (Alexande44Roasting road kill...
34 car4doc [car4doc@concent17Re: Purchasing Parts in the UK
35 David Cockey [dcockey@ti81Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...
36 Land_Rovers@learnlink.em11Re: V8 in a Series IIA???
37 paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa27Re: Destruction of coins of the realm
38 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: Roasting road kill...
39 RINGOJACK@aol.com 14Brush Bar
40 shawn@bioserver.vsb.usu.26Canada -> US Import
41 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec44LR and Names: (was: What are Defenders Defending?)
42 philippe.carchon@rug.ac.11Re: lightweight question
43 philippe.carchon@rug.ac.12Re: lightweight question
44 Iwan Vosloo [ivosloo@cs.28SIII transfer & speedo Q
45 "Paul Garside" [pgarside25Threat to Disco bodywork from unexpected source
46 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u19Re: Temperature Guage
47 Michel Bertrand [mbertra20Land Rover font
48 Solihull@aol.com 29Diesel details, was the details about gasoline
49 Solihull@aol.com 23Re: Names in general


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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:32:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: tip of the day

All,

If you really want zinc washers, use the U.S. cent minted after 1983.  Is a
zinc slug with a copper wash.  To test, use a sharp edge to remove said
copper.  Price, about $.01(US) each.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Defenders, Cat Threads etc
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:43:00 -0400

While we discuss the origin of the Defender name, I recall a picture in
LRO (or was it LRW) of a 90 with a reworked badge claiming it to be an
"OFFENDER".

 Perhaps some of our members should be renaming their vehicles.

 "Hi. I'm a subscriber and I drive an Offender 90",
"Well I subscribe too, and mine's an Offended 110, so take your road
kill recipes and @#$% off "

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Destruction of coins of the realm
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:52:00 -0400

Adrian Redmond, wrote

Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
found 5/16" coinage yet?

Then Rick Grant replied

Honest to god I thought I was the only one silly enough to be doing
this.
I've drilled out the centers of Canadian one cent pieces (the copper
allows
the nut to bed really nicely),

I don't know the composition of Kroner, but I do know that if you use
copper and then add a little road salt you'll soon have a nice large
hole to bridge. How about those nice aluminium Lira?

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Destruction of coins of the realm
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 13:05:10 BST

> Adrian Redmond, wrote
> Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
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> the nut to bed really nicely),
> I don't know the composition of Kroner, but I do know that if you use

Mainly fat and water!   :-)

> copper and then add a little road salt you'll soon have a nice large
> hole to bridge. How about those nice aluminium Lira?

Re: copper coated zinc cent pieces: Sounds like a battery. did anyone think
that a scratch will corrode real quick (like a deep scratch on a galvanised
frame, but faster)? 

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: TARC April Fool's Errand
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:44:00 -0400

The Toronto Area Rover Club's April (?) Fool's Errand takes place May
10th . It was moved from April because the Niagara mud was so
lubricitious last year that nobody made it past the first section.
This years event should be a little less messy.

Starting from the Rovers Inn just east of Fifty Road on the North
Service Road of the QEW in Grimsby at about 1.30. the event will be a
tour of some of the towns unimproved roads during which some pictured
locations must be found and cryptic clues answered. There will be some
prizes from LR Canada and the Inn provides an evening meal and maybe
some entertainment. Please bring a change of shoes/boots for the
restaurant afterwards. Call me at 905-945-6128 for more details.

Also for your calendar The Toronto Truimph Club British Car Day at
Bronte Creek Provincial Park, Oakville, Ontario. September 14th, has
Land Rover as the featured marque. Lots of British Cars to see and
several special LR events. More details later 

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:40:23, -0500
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:39:59 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...

Inspired by recent discussions on the list about the composition of
petrol (gasoline for the US, Benzin for Denmark) - and frustrated by my
inadequacy when attempting to tune a Zenith carb, I went for a romp on
the net and found this link, which, if you have the time to read it,
answers most questions about petrol.

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/autos/gasoline-faq/part1/faq.html

now I'd love to find something similar about diesel - come to think of
it - I know it self-ignites under compression, that compression is much
higher than petrol, and that it's supposed to be (or have been) a more
reliable starter, but I have never been sure what the real benefits are,
or why we use diesel instead of petrol. Likewise, I know little about
the environmental arguments for/against Dr.Diesels Homemade Remedy.

Anyone wise on this issue?

Adrian Redmond

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 15:48:55 BST

> now I'd love to find something similar about diesel - come to think of
> it - I know it self-ignites under compression, that compression is much
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> the environmental arguments for/against Dr.Diesels Homemade Remedy.
> Anyone wise on this issue?

I don't know about "wise" (glow-plugs? they're like glow-worms aren't they?),
but...

Diesel is meant to be significantly more efficient.

You'd expect much better burn: with a spark plug, its going to ignite at
the spark plug first, and its possible some fuel isn't properly ignited.

With diesel, the trigger is pressure, which applies to the whole cylinder, so
you'd expect 100% ignition, and at the same point. I'm guessing this is
why the efficiency is better, but it doesn't explain the smoke...

Richard

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 15:00:12 UT
From: "Orin Harding" <NAMGBR@msn.com>
Subject: Purchasing Parts in the UK

Here is a sample of a quote I received from a supplier in the UK:

Galvanized frame: $958.40
Crating charges: $320.00
Shipping charges: $495.00
UK Port fees: $75.00 (estimate)
US Port fees: $75.00 (estimate)
Duty: $60.00

Grand Total for one galvanized chassis at an East Coast port: $1983.40 and 
this doesn't include shipping to my home from the port!

If anyone has shipped a frame from the UK lately, at a lower cost, please let 
me know how you did it.

PS:  Recent quote for a Marsland galvanized frame, delivered from a East Coast 
supplier, was $1,895.00

Orin - '69 S2a, SWB, Great body - Horrible frame  

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:25:45 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: In-line fuse holder tip

-------------Forwarded Message-----------------

From:   Mike Gaines, 
        
Date:   28/04/97 09:35 

RE:     In-line fuse holder tip

        Hi All,
          Did I miss something, when did all the cat recipes start? Anyhow,
my  dog thought they were funny.

LR content: If you need an in-line fuse holder and can't find one (store
closed, wife sees look in your eye and refuses to hand over keys to her 
Defender thing) use a ballpen as basis (the spring loaded type) Take out
ink/ball-nib thing out and eat or discard, retain coil spring. Thread one
end of wire through where `nib' emerged fit bullet type conector.Cut about
2in from pen barrel. Ditto with other end of pen where nib in /out button
was removed and emplace t'other bit of wire but with coil spring round it .
Insert fuse & push fit together hardest bit is cutting to get length right
so  friction fit is tight enough to hold together. If you get it wrong, ask
someone if you can borrow their pen.

Tip 2 Local authorities plant lots of stuff along sides of highways. New
saplings are usually loosely attached to poles with tiewraps till roots are
established, handy if you need some tiewraps to help get you home. NB
remove sapling before using tiewrap.

Who mentioned Grolsch? Nice to see some taste on the list instead of all
this Nigerian lager banter.

Cheers,
Mike Gaines Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:25:36 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE  ANS. LIGHTWEIGHT ENGINES

Hi all
Franz asked about original Lightweight engines.
I think  that they were mostly 2.25 petrol, exception was a large batch of
diesels for the Netherlands; some Royal Marines (UK, not Cloggy) vehicles
were also diesel I think.
   Interestingly, (Yawn) I noticed an abandoned Zaire army Ll/twt at
Lubumbasha [?] airfield on CNN the other day. it was totally stripped down
and had the 106mm Wombat  recoilless anti-tank gun mounted in the back-(not
much use for robbing refugees with I suppose). Secret LR customer or
second-hand from Saudi? 

For those who are baffled I'll try and repost the fuse holder tip which
Compuserve, Son of Lucas, deigned to chop in half.
Cheers
Mike Gaines, Slll Lightweight, `Wicked Wanda'.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:33:45 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know..

Inefficient burn of petrol results in a vicious tailpipe cocktail of 
chemicals, whereas diesel exhaust is mostly soot. Smelly, but cleaner.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:15:28 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Maxi Drive Engineering Australia?

Does anyone out there have any experience with
or has anyone heard anything about Maxi Drive
Engineering in Carrarra, Queensland, Australia?

Thanks for any input.

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:46:00 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...

>Anyone wise on this issue?

I dont claim to be wise on *any* issue but I've looked around a little
(and I do mean a little).
Diesel doesnt need refining as much as petrol.So it should be
cheaper.Perhaps it was,once...
The diesel engine will,if set up for it,apparently run on almost
any combustible substance(according to Shell Canada),including
coal dust,and,presumably therefore corn dust.The secret seems
to be in the minute particles which are injected.Pulverised fuel
is highly explosive,as is corn dust.
Environmentally(ugh!) it is supposed to produce bugger all in
the way of carbon monoxide,and considerably less of the other
new nasties,but does produce soot.

Try looking at http://www.shellcan.com/diesel.htm

On the other hand,petrol was supposed to be the waste product
you got at the end of the refining process.Whether this is still
so,it would be interesting to know.
Mike Rooth

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From: "Delve, Trefor" <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: RE: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know..
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 17:02:00 GMT

Bill,

Diesel exhaust also contains PM 10's which I suppose could be counted as   
soot.

Trefor

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, April 29, 1997 11:33
Subject:  Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to   
know..

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Inefficient burn of petrol results in a vicious tailpipe cocktail of
chemicals, whereas diesel exhaust is mostly soot. Smelly, but cleaner.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Michael Slade <slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: Purchasing Parts in the UK
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:43:21 +0000

>Here is a sample of a quote I received from a supplier in the UK:
>Galvanized frame: $958.40

<snip>

Orin,

Doug Shipman in Portland has an 88 frame sitting in his back lot.  It's
perfect, and painted.  You could (if you were inclined) strip it and have
it galvanized.  Honestly, this one doesn't need a thing.

Give him a call.  503.252.5566

Don't know how much it'd be.  :(

Michael Slade
Portland, OR
slade@imagina.com
'70 109 SW (for sale)

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Date: 29 Apr 97 12:18:19 EDT
From: John Stiller <102746.1303@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: V8 in a Series IIA???

I was looking for information on a v8 conversion for a  1969 Series IIA. My
Internet search gave me two sources providing liitle information on the subject.
Advanced Adaptors...Ca. ( a Distributor for Marks adaptors of Australia) They
said that I would have to contact Marks directly as they had no phone number or
information. Searching for Marks over the net I found the home page but the
conversions seemed to belimited to the leyland V8. My interest was the viability
of a chevy v8 in the rover and if an adaptor is available...I understand the
limits of the rover drivetrain...how a salsberry axle would be best..and so
on...anyone out there ..been there done that before. pros and cons?? I
understand the firewall may have to be cut a bit as well.. I would appreciate
any information....1022746.1303@compuserve.com
John

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:44:12 -0700
From: Larry Michelon <kismet2@erols.com>
Subject: DownEast Rallye

I'm starting to make plans to head up to Maine for the DownEast Rallye 
the last weekend in June (27-29). Is anyone from the mid-altantic region 
heading that way and would like to convoy? Right now I'm a 90% go. 
I actually plan on staying up there right thru July 4th weekend for some 
lobster festing and would be interested in catching up with anyone doing 
any wheeling that week also. Please post on both rro and lro. Hope to see 
you there.

Larry Michelon
'89 Range Rover
Virginia Beach VA

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:48:09 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Destruction of coins of the realm

At 01:05 PM 29/04/97 BST, Richard Marsden, wrote

>Re: copper coated zinc cent pieces: Sounds like a battery. did anyone think
>that a scratch will corrode real quick (like a deep scratch on a galvanised
>frame, but faster)? 

Serves me right for being so stupid as to admit what I had done.
Fortunately I knew better than to do it where water and salt could get at them.

Anyhow, problem solved.  I toddled off down the road last night to the
nearest Ye Olde Nut and Bolt Emporium and bought the right stuff.  Installed
it all this morning.

Forgiven?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: matthew_stein@gw.proctor.pvt.k12.nh.us (matthew stein)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:14:56 GMT
Subject: Re: DownEast Rallye

Larry M.,
I am also planning to attend the DownEast Rallye...how does one sign-up and/or
register?
Thanks,
Matthew Stein
'94 Range Rover LWB
Concord, NH
This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS.
Proctor Academy
Andover, NH

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: British Car day
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:39:00 -0400

My last post gave a day for British Car Day at Bronte Creek Park as Sept
14th that should have been Sept 21st

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:02:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rovers Names

Standing ovation for Adrian Redmond!  His magnificent rant of April 29 on
the names in general is one of the best I have seen here.

In pointing out the efforts of marketing wallahs to retrospectively re-name
our Land Rovers, Adrian conjures up images of George Orwell's 1984.  In that
story, there was a government department dedicated to re-writing the history
books so that they would agree with whatever was fashionable at the moment.

What would happen if this trend were to catch on?  Might they change the
name of the Humber Super Snipe to a more politically acceptable name like
Number 1 Mark III*?  Could Ford go back and rename the Edsel?  What if BMW
went back and gave a series name to the Isetta?  How about the 00 series?
(Germans attach a special significance to the double zero)

I am in no hurry to paste a Defender 109 label onto Lurch.

MFG
Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:04:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: coins as washers

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 Adrian Redmond suggests using Danish coins for washers.

Honorable Gaijinsan:

Even more economical are Japanese 5 Yen coins.  Made of a copper alloy, they
are a tiny bit smaller in diameter and have a slightly larger hole than the
25 Ore coins.  Down here in the lower 48 provinces we use Canadian pennies
because no one but Dixon wants them.  Have to drill holes though.

Paul Donohue

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:40:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Telephone

From: "Bruce Davis" <daviscar@concentric.net>
 
 Well I find That I need a "new" Trans for my 67 88. I was trying to fax an
 order to a supplier in England to day but every time I dialed AT&T told me
 to check the number. It is right as far as I know
 I dialed 011 44 and then the fax number. What am I doing wrong or is
 England not taking any calls?
 
  About a year or so ago the UK phone number area codes had an additional
digit added, thus  for example  0274 became 01274, when diallling the UK
from abroad, drop the initail 0. therfore 011-44- 1274 -234567 Some areas
had complete new area codes issued.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: Temperature Guage
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:57:42 -0600

Assistance is required! Since I bought my vehicle the temp. gauge has
consistently read high (pretty much off scale!), this is obviously a
gauge/voltage thing as in reality the engine running temp. is fine (it's
not overheating). The new (rebuilt) engine will be going back in soon
and I need to have an accurately working T gauge. Does the prblem lie in
the gauge/senders (they are the miltary 3 gauge setup) or is it the
voltage stabilizer? (which has been changed and is new???) Can I fit an
aftermarket T gauge, how will I calibrate it to engine running
temperature?? Any ideas/comments appreciated very much. The fix does not
have to be original though cheap would be nice as the rebuilds killing
me so far!!

Thanks in advance, Brian Tuffs
'66 SWB "Blue" 
'84 T*yota BJ60

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:44 +0000
Subject: Re: DownEast Rallye

> Subject:       Re: DownEast Rallye

> Larry M.,
> I am also planning to attend the DownEast Rallye...how does one sign-up and/or
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> '94 Range Rover LWB
> Concord, NH

Check out the LROI North American Events Information line at 
905-436-7813.

Regards

> Larry M.,
> I am also planning to attend the DownEast Rallye...how does one sign-up and/or
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:01:40 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Range Rover names

The new one is obviously the Range Rover Series II !
re Classic: Land Rover SI is a name dreamed up only when the SII came along.

Lloyd
http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/LandRover/Series/Series.html

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From: anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, Armando S., Jr.)
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:35:38 -0700
Subject: Not read: Calling England HELP!!

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From: "Bruce Davis" <daviscar@concentric.net>
Subject: calling England or finding a trans
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:36:23 -0500

Hi All

Thanks to the list for the help. 

Someone from Woodstock, GA. Sorry don't remember your name posted me about
a trans
I printed the post out at work and left it there.  I will not be there
again for 2 days.
Can you please post me again.
Thanks.

Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
59 SII 109

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:48:30 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: calling England or finding a trans

Bruce Davis wrote:

  New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

  Hi All

  Thanks to the list for the help.

  Someone from Woodstock, GA. Sorry don't remember your name posted me
  about
  a trans
  I printed the post out at work and left it there.  I will not be
  there
  again for 2 days.
  Can you please post me again.
  Thanks.

  Bruce
  67 SIIA 88 Patches
  59 SII 109

I think you mean John Dillingham - his e-mail is
         Solihull@aol.com

Hope this helps.

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:03:36 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: SIII Zenith/Solex Carb / points

I am still (diesel junky that I am) trying to fathom out the
Solex/Zenith 361V carb on my "foster-car" - a 1973 SIII SWB.

It's the simplest version of the carb, no PCV, not funny hoses, just a
thin steel  drip feed to the distributor.

Does anyone have a manual for this unit, with simple instructions (I'm
petrochemically-illiterate) for setting it up.

I've done a strip-down, clean and service. I have set the mixture screw
all the way in, then out again by 3/4 of a turn. I have adjusted the
idle to imitate 750 rpm (no strobe here, just the feel of it), and then
tried to adjjust the mixture screw - but i can'rt hear any difference.

The car is running sluggish, prone to stall, and prone to lose
"get-up-and-go" when trying to accelerate out of traffic, gear-changes,
junctions.

Otherwise he's running stable, no white or blue smoke, good compression,
good oil pressure, valve clearances adjusted, firing on all four tubes.

On a good day, with a warm manifold he can do 80 - 95 kph on the flat.
Typical kph when coldish is 35 - 40 kph in 3rd gear, unless I am willing
to wait 30-45 seconds after which the rpm rises.

Any simple recipes for articicial rescusitation of this beast - I am not
looking for rally performance, just stable, reliable, responsive daily
driving.

And I'm not interested in changing the carb! I have seen plenty of these
work well - the seals and gaskets are sound and dry and there is no
apparent leaking - I have tried spraying WD40 into the axle to see if
the engine races up, but no problems here.

Could the points adjustment have anything to do with this - and how does
one adjust these (the distributor has an advance/retard screw.

'Scuse me for my stupididy, but whilst repairing my tractor the other
day, it suddenly occured to me that i don't actually understand the need
for points, what purpose do they serve - the coil gets it's output to
the rotor arm seperate of this. Must be a reason - !

help appreciated.

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: coins as washers

At 04:04 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Even more economical are Japanese 5 Yen coins.  Made of a copper alloy, they

Um, at around 100 yen to the dollar, 5 yen coins are not so economical...
(That's about 5 cents, compared to the US 1cent piece).

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:00:36 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Roasting road kill...

DaveB wrote:

>PS. If you go with a V8, you will have two manifolds on which to roast
>cute little cats.

I disagree.  There is no place on a Rover V-8 for proper manifold roasting. 
The 2.25, on the other hand, is a near-perfect oven, and I have done so many 
times.  My favorite is pork tenderloin (sorry, Dave).  Rub two of 'em with 
salt and pepper, add a couple of sprigs of fresh sage and/or rosemary, a 
couple 'o dashes of liquid smoke seasoning.  Triple wrap in foil.  Slide in 
along the intake/exhaust manifold next to the carb; it's so secure, you 
could go inverted and not lose your lunch (or dinner, as it were.)  Drive 
100 miles.  Invert, and switch end-for-end.  Drive another 100 miles.  YMMV. 
 Serve with a nice Rockbridge (award-winning) Virginia chardonay.  Bon appetit.

BTW...I actually *ate* cat one time.  I was in the Peace Corps back in '73 
and were were traveling cross country in the Land Rover (a '69 diesel 88 for 
the requisite content).  We stopped at this restaurant in a small town 
(read: *only* restuarant).  I ordered "rabbit" thinking it was unusual to be 
on a menu that typically would include only camel, goat or mutton couscous.  
Anyway, the waiter brings it to the table and...well, meows.  You have to 
realise this is Tunisia, a country devoid of all wild animals - no birds, 
deer, small game - only wild boar, as the Muslims don't eat pork.  I don't 
know if he was yanking my chain or what, but it was dead, seasoned and 
cooked, so I ate it.  Not bad, actually.

Anyway, before PETA (they moved their HQ to downtown Norfolk recently) or 
anyone else gets on my case, I've got several cats (and dogs).  Even adopted 
one little tabby kitten that was found at the Mid-Atlantic Rally last fall.  
Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:16:45 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Purchasing Parts in the UK

Hi Qrin,
 We here take advantage of the crating of the frame to shipp additional
parts.  By combining my frame with two engines, a trans, 15 doors, a 90
hardtop I was able to share the frieght & shipping expense with several
other people.  Here in chicago we found that two frames leave lots of
room for the shipment of additional parts & the crating expense is cut
in half.  The cost of the same frame here in the USA would cost between
2500.00 & 3500.00 from sources here.  We were dealing with Steve Parker
in the UK who was a big help.  This works here but it is all food tfor
thought & I hope it helps.   
Hugs,
Rob Davis_chicago.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:32:52 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: The details about gasoline which you always wanted to know...

Adrian started a thread about diesls.

First about the differences between the fuels. Gasoline is rated
according to its ability to resist pre-ignition/knocking with an octane
scale. The higher the octane the more resistant to knocking. Diesel fuel
is rated according to its ability to ignite when the mixture is
compressed and heated using a cetane scale. The higher the cetane the
more easily ignited. This is opposite to what is desired for gasoline.

Richard comments:
> You'd expect much better burn: with a spark plug, its going to ignite at
> the spark plug first, and its possible some fuel isn't properly ignited.
> With diesel, the trigger is pressure, which applies to the whole cylinder, so
> you'd expect 100% ignition, and at the same point. I'm guessing this is
> why the efficiency is better, but it doesn't explain the smoke...

In a normal, properly tuned gasoline engine the combustion does start at
the spark plug and spreads throughout the gaseous mixture. Controlling
the speed of combustion is essential in avoiding knock. Combustion is
virtually complete in any modern, emmisions compliant engine.

In an indirect diesel (2.25D/2.5D/2.5TD) the fuel is injected as a spray
into the prechamber where the combustion starts. The partially ignited
mixture then expands out into the main part of the cylinder where the
combustion is completed. In a direct injection diesel (TDi) the fuel is
injected as a spray directly into the cylinder. In either case a spray
of liquid fuel drops burns rather than a gaseous mixture. Too large
drops or improper spray pattern results in incomplete combustion, smoke
and soot.

The diesel engine has a higher thermodynamic efficiency because it
operates at much higher compression ratio. (If the compression ratio was
the same in a diesel and an otto (gasoline) engine the otto cycle would
be have higher thermodynamic efficiency.) Since the fuel isn't present
until injected pre-ignition is not a concern. Also the diesel engine
runs unthrottled (assuming it doesn't have a LR vacumn flap) with power
controlled by the amount of fuel injected. Thus the diesel doesn't have
the pumping losses of an otto engine running throttled. Remember that
automotive engines rarely run at wide open throttle. These two factors
combine to make the diesel more efficient. The amount of carbon dioxide
(greenhouse gas) is directly proportional to the amount of fuel
consumed.

Bill comments:
> Inefficient burn of petrol results in a vicious tailpipe cocktail of 
> chemicals, whereas diesel exhaust is mostly soot. Smelly, but cleaner.

There are those who believe the soot may be as hazardous to humans as
any other vehicle emissions. It is a nasty recipe of partially burned
hydro-carbons and carbon. The EPA is getting serious about regulating
particulate emissions.

It is also much more difficult to meet the very low levels of present
and future California and US emission regs for nitrous oxides and
hydrocarbons. That is a primary factor for the near disapearance of
diesel passenger cars and trucks under 8600# GVW from the US market.
This is unfortunate for fuel economy considerations.

Mike adds:
> Diesel doesnt need refining as much as petrol.So it should be
> cheaper.Perhaps it was,once...
> On the other hand,petrol was supposed to be the waste product
> you got at the end of the refining process.Whether this is still
> so,it would be interesting to know.

A lot of what will fuel a diesel engine can't be sold as automotive fuel
due to various requirements including starting and emissions. Sulfer is
a major problem. I've heard that with modern catalytic refining
techniques a higher percentage of crude oil can be turned into gasoline
than into automotive diesel fuel.

As always the above are my personal views, and not those of my employer.

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Steve Dempsey)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:29:29 -0400
Subject: Re: V8 in a Series IIA???

Marks makes a Chevy V-8 adaptor. They also make  aheavy duty 5speed
tranny. DAP also lists a V-8 adaptor in my two year old catalog. I do
not know which engine they use. 
 The firewall will have to be modified and the grill will probably have
to be moved foward as well.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:06:58 +0100
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: Destruction of coins of the realm

I remember when we used to go skiing in Austria as a kid in the early
seventies, we used to always come home with a whole bunch of aluminum ten
Grolshen?(sp) pieces. My dad said that in the fifties they used to throw
them in the fire for kicks.
Are they still available?? and what is their worth compared to US currency?
Peter or any EC members?
>Adrian Redmond, wrote

>Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
>found 5/16" coinage yet?

>Then Rick Grant replied

>I don't know the composition of Kroner, but I do know that if you use
>copper and then add a little road salt you'll soon have a nice large
>hole to bridge. How about those nice aluminium Lira?

Paarch@ix.netcom.com
(510)353-1320
'58 Series II 88" 2-litre underpowered beast "surely"
'87 Range Rover "Squeak" new top end running great, for sale
'92 Ducati 750ss (California transportation)

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:17:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Roasting road kill...

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> I disagree.  There is no place on a Rover V-8 for proper manifold roasting. 
> The 2.25, on the other hand, is a near-perfect oven, and I have done so many 

	Most perfect is the 6 cylinder jag engine!

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From: RINGOJACK@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:47:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Brush Bar

I was wondering if anyone had a front brush bar that is in good condition for
a Disco?  I need one, mines been ripped off, been through two rear endings
and is pretty deformed and beat up.  If anyone knows of one from maybe a
totalled Disco i can salvage or someone that is willing to sell one for
cheaper than the cost of one new get in touch with me.  Thanks.

Mark Roby
96 Disco

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From: shawn@bioserver.vsb.usu.edu (Shawn Swaner)
Subject: Canada -> US Import
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:44:56 -0600

Hello all,
My near-endless search for my first Rover has now taken me to Canada.  I have 
read the LRO-Digest archives and found many answers there, but have a couple of 
questions regarding import.
1-  At what value will the 25% charge be assessed, the purchase price or book 
value?
2-  I have a stack of faxes from EPA, but cannot find any info on USDA reg's. 
 Does anyone know of a hotline or website addressing USDA import reg's?
3-  I plan on bringing my Rover into the US from British Columbia through 
Washington state, but I live in Utah, do I have to meet Washington or Utah DOT 
standards?	
4-  How long can I expect the import/border crossing to take, assuming I have 
all my papers in order?

Thanks in advance,

Shawn Swaner

Hoping to add "'62 SII SWB" or "64 SIIA SW" to my email signature (fingers 
crossed)!

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:28:46 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@mail1.halcyon.com>
Subject: LR and Names: (was: What are Defenders Defending?)

From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

>And in the US, they are actively trying to get everyone to call Series
>LRs "Heritage Land Rovers"  So to LRNA the Land Rover stable is:

>Land Rover Discovery
>Land Rover Range Rover
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>Land Rover Heritage
>Land Rover Freeloader^H^H^H^H^H^H Freelander  ;-)

I hadn't heard this about the 'Heritage" bit.  Leave it to some newbie PR
types to warp history around to suit their "Introduction to Marketing 101"
mentality.  The builder's plate on my 1973 Series III says "Land-Rover
Series III Model 88" and that's what it forever will be, LRNA or not.  And
the builder's plate (well, sticker actually) on my 1991 Range Rover says
"Range Rover" not "Range Rover Classic."

And people ask me why I don't get involved with Land Rover clubs and dealer
events and the like.  They say that the most ardent anti-smokers are the
ones who just quit, or the people who are the most vocal about halting the
flow of newcomers to their city are the ones who just moved there
themselves.  Well, it seems to me that the reintroduction of the Land Rover
to the US (which I think is great, don't get me wrong) has hatched a whole
bunch of enthusiasts who wouldn't know a Series IIa if it ran over them,
and have probably never even heard of a Foward Control or a Lightweight.
But these folks are dimly aware that there were Land Rovers made before the
shiny new Defenders and Discoveries they drool over on the lot, so they go
to their dealer-sponsored events and hatch up names like "Heritage" to
describe the vehicles they know nothing about.  There, I'm done.  You can
flame me now, but I probably won't be able to hear you over the whine of my
transmission....

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:36:45 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Re: lightweight question

Sorry, small (or big ?) typing-correction: all lightweights came of course 
with the 2.25 l.

Philippe Carchon
Ghent, Belgium
'81petrol-LPG  lightweight (with LPG even more cheaper than diesel).

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:34:08 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Re: lightweight question

All lightweights came with the 2.5 l petrol engine except the order(s) for 
the Dutch military market. They had the diesel (diesel-fuel  is cheaper than 
petrol, I guess this was the reason, knowing the Dutch).

Philippe Carchon
Ghent, Belgium
'81petrol-LPG  lightweight (with LPG even more cheaper than diesel).

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:59:03 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: SIII transfer & speedo Q

Hello all.

I just arrived back from a long nice holiday in namibia which was great
fun (except of course for the one really bad inevitable? breakdown in
the middle of nowhere...)

On the way back my speedo started doing the same things Adrian's did and
I will check the castle nut on the transmission brake hub centre as
suggested (over the weekend).  BUT I have noticed something else too: my
hi/lo gear lever is a bit loose and also produces some gear lever
noise.  It never did that before - it was quiet and did not have any
loose movement.  My transfer seem to leak where the gear lever comes out
of the box too, but only when my FWH are locked.  

Seems like there could be something else loose too, possibly also
influencing the speedo?.  What do you think?

(By the way... does somebody have a list somewhere of REALLY useful
stuff to take with you on trips to nowhere?  Never, ever leave Pratley's
putty off that list - it came in very useful for me on this trip.)

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: "Paul Garside" <pgarside@infocomm.dungeon.com>
Subject: Threat to Disco bodywork from unexpected source
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:45:57 -0700

Apologies if this has recently been raised - I am an occasional lurker -
but my beloved 1990 Discovery has developed a lengthening hole in the front
wing (fender) just on the corner of the wheelarch. This seems to have been
caused not by rust, but by chafing from the plastic wheelarch liner. A 1992
model nearby has also developed a 6-inch long slit for the same reason!

Any suggestions how to fix this and how to prevent it occurring in the
future?

Paul
________________________________________

Paul Garside                  
Communication Consultant, Infocomm
Cockfield, Suffolk, England
pgarside@infocomm.dungeon.com
http://www.dungeon.com/~infocomm/
+44 (0)1284 828040
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Temperature Guage
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 97 9:47:08 BST

> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Assistance is required! Since I bought my vehicle the temp. gauge has
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> temperature?? Any ideas/comments appreciated very much. The fix does not
> have to be original though cheap would be nice as the rebuilds killing
> me so far!!

I still have the military capillary gauges in my dash. Neither work.
The oil gauge reads 0 (it has a "discontinuity"), the water gauge reads 
off-scale (as yours) - again, it has a "discontinuity".
Me suspects a hole/crack in the capillary.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - having an MoT as I type)

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:55:19 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Land Rover font

Hello all, 

I was wondering if somebody knew what is the type of font used in the Land
Rover badge of the 60's (the one with green letters on yellow background). 

Thanks.

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:13:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Diesel details, was the details about gasoline

Richard wrote:
With diesel, the trigger is pressure, which applies to the whole cylinder, so
you'd expect 100% ignition, and at the same point. I'm guessing this is
why the efficiency is better, but it doesn't explain the smoke...

The problem is getting the charge air into the cylinder through a smaller
hole, with a poppet valve in the way, swirling in the right direction, at the
right velocity, even temperature, evenly filling the corners and expelling
the spent fumes from the last combust, some few milliseconds, before. Then
the umpteen percent oxygen needs to be distributed evenly around the almost
eighty percent nitrogen and other gases, so all Dr Diesel's home remedy goes
poof! at the same time. I *think* that explains the smoke. :-)
Even in spite of all these variables, compression ignition is *way* more
efficient.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:13:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Names in general

Adrian opines: "and the Discovery a Deception."

Long ago and far away in a place called Kenosha, some executives found
themselves needing a little grocery getter to compete with the coming
Japanese invasion as well as the pinto and vega. Using Ginsu technology they
lopped off the trunk of the Hornet and created the Gremlin. Not really too
far fetched, that LR borrowed the knives to make the disco. Lop off the boot
and move downmarket. What the hey; it worked! But you just *can't* call
anything with Lucas wiring a gremlin, that would *really* be tempting fate!!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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