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1 "spencer k. c. norcross"17Re: Cat recipies replies
2 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.18four wheel drive club database
3 WJMcD@aol.com 23Of Cats and Content...
4 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea29Weber Carb Problems
5 dbobeck@ushmm.org 34Re[2]: Diesel questions....
6 "K. JOHN WOOD" [JWROVER@36RE: Series question
7 Franz Parzefall [franz@m20Lightweight Question
8 Tony Treace [ATREACE@has19RE: Series question
9 Martyn Chambers [spliff@8[not specified]
10 Adrian Redmond [channel669Re: Humor?
11 "Herman L. Stude" [herma14Re: Humor?
12 GeratyBell@aol.com 9Re: Cat recipies
13 robot1@juno.com (Mark E 16[not specified]
14 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.14hat are Defenders Defending?
15 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.18Re: Tip of the day
16 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.24Re: Cat recipies replies
17 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.11Re: Cat recipies
18 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.18Re: A funny Jeep story
19 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.14Re: Cat recipies
20 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: Cat recipies
21 SPYDERS@aol.com 20Re: Humor?
22 Michel Bertrand [mbertra21Myles Murphy's phone number
23 postmaster@metricom.com 5[not specified]
24 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi4Sll Fuel Gauge Revisited
25 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.5Re: Cat recipies replies
26 Mike Gaines [106220.123422In-line fuse holder tip
27 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr14Re: Myles Murphy's phone number
28 Bob Watson [bobw@microso15RE: Cats, Coils, etc
29 Adrian Redmond [channel643tip of the day
30 "Adamson, John G" [adams10unsubscribe
31 Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com17Re-Galvanizing Body Trim, etc.
32 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us15Re: Re-Galvanizing Body Trim, etc.
33 Rick Grant [rgrant@cadvi29Re: tip of the day
34 "Paul Gussack" [pcg@tenn21Subject line
35 Mr Timothy B McDowell [m20[not specified]
36 "James M. Davis" [jamesd6[not specified]
37 Benjamin Allan Smith (Pe44[not specified]
38 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr1514th Birthday Party
39 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr26RE: Cats, Coils, etc
40 "James M. Davis" [jamesd6unsubscribe
41 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi23Re: LR and Names: (was: What are Defenders Defending?)
42 Adrian Redmond [channel694Names in general
43 ASFCO@worldnet.att.net 25Re: Re-Galvanizing Body Trim, etc.
44 David Cockey [dcockey@ti34Re: Series question (heater, doors)
45 SPYDERS@aol.com 36Re: tip of the day/coins for washers
46 David Cockey [dcockey@ti32Re: LR and Names: Santana SIV, etc.
47 anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, 8Not read: UK Supplier
48 "James M. Davis" [jamesd10cancel all e-mail
49 "Bruce Davis" [daviscar@19 Calling England HELP!!
50 SPYDERS@aol.com 42Re: LR and Names: Santana, S IV, etc.
51 rover@pinn.net (Alexande17Looking for...
52 Steve Stoneham [stoneham34Re: Series question (heater, doors)
53 CIrvin1258@aol.com 20Re: Calling England HELP!!
54 CIrvin1258@aol.com 14Re: tip of the day/coins for washers
55 "K. JOHN WOOD" [JWROVER@43Attn: Mike Gains
56 David Cockey [dcockey@ti33Re: LR and Names: Santana, S IV, etc.
57 Bryn Hackland [bryn@hack44RE: Calling England HELP!!
58 "Adamson, John G" [adams11unsubscribe
59 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u23RE: Calling England HELP!!
60 "Alan Logue" [logue@a011291997 Blinman Land Rover Jamboree


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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:49:30 +0000
From: "spencer k. c. norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

jim writes...

> list in the name of freedom of speech, I guess you'll have to  
> endure my protests of it!

....which was *exactly* my point.

spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:23:08 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: four wheel drive club database

http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WDa/Clubs.html
is an interactive database for 4WD clubs.
Readers can enter details of their favourite Land Rover Owner club
through `forms'.

There are a few Land Rover clubs in the DB already.
If a club member wants to alter the details of one of these
already entered club, plsz  mailto:4WD@sofcom.com.au

btw. Has anyone had an ARB air-locker diff' lock fail,
particularly in the side-gears?

Lloyd

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Of Cats and Content...

Since almost everyone has registered their opinion in some fashion, I feel it
necessary to register mine.

In my opinion, had the cat recipe contained some Rover content* such...

"One day whilst green laning in the North I heard a thump in under the right
front wing of my 109. Upon further inspection, I found wedged between the
tread of my Mud Pluggas a cuddly little tabby..." You get the idea.

Now let's all get back to the business at hand. Huh? Let talk Land Rovers and
save all the self righteous babble. Jeesh, you can't even swing a dead cat
around here without hittin' somebody's hot button.

Anonymous- I too sensitive to read the disapproving email.
"Former Life Member of the Donner Party"

*	"Rover content" qualifies as Rover content.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Weber Carb Problems
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:22:00 -0400

Dale Avery wrote "The engine surges and I've had a
lot of problems with backfiring, the outside of the carb, nearest the
valve
cover, is now coated with a black carbon film. "

I had similar problems with my Weber and after exhaustive trials and
tribulations the source was found to be excessive fuel pressure from the
pump. The needle valve cannot resist the flow of fuel until the float
chamber level is too high and this in turn leads to difficulty setting
the idle, overflows which cause the tarry buildup on the outside, and
surging especially when hot. There was major problem when starting a hot
engine. I think the fuel in the float chamber was boiling causing the
float to sink and flooding the engine. This would happen about 15
seconds after starting. Just enough time to pull off the gas station
forecourt and into the traffic!!!.
The symptoms all went away when I added a return to tank line from the
carb the flow resistance in this line is sufficient to maintain an
adequate deliver at the carburettor without the excess pressure that was
causing the problems. Another method would be to fit a pressure
regulator. I think J.C.Witless has these. At the same time I added a
fuel pressure gauge. I am now running with 2-3 psi. Previously the
static pressure at idle was 5 psi. The outside of the carb now stays so
clean you could eat off it. (Cook cats on it?)

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 08:22:00 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Diesel questions....

>I'd be careful with anything like a 2.25 or 2.5 D that to close contact 
>with a turbo. The 2.5TD has a quite bad reputation and it's more or less 
>just a 2.5D with add on turbo.

This is a good point. Anything that created enouh stress to damage a 
piston, could have done alot more damage. It may be that crank and rods are 
worn too. You can't always tell just looking at em. I would go on the 
assumption that this engine is valuable only as a core, and pay 
accordingly. If you can run it that might be different but if you have seen 
the piston than I assume its been taken apart. 
Be careful here, don't skimp when it comes to your beasts engine...

| 3.Maybe weld a new engine mounting on right front chassis, as I think 
| they are differant for 2.25 and 2.5 ?????
>No. 2.25 and 2.5 share the same block. The major differences are the 
>crankshaft, the injector pump and the timing belt.

The 2.5 injector pump is in the way of the 2.25 right side engine mount. 
The chassis mount needs to be hacked off and glued back on a bit lower, 
and a new bracket fabbed or an old one turned upside down or something 
like that. There's a local guy here that has one. Looks like a pretty easy 
swap.

later
DaveB.

PS. If you go with a V8 you will have two manifolds on which to roast cute 
little cats.

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 97 18:49:22 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Series question

Steve,
Think of the internall air intake as a recycling unit, much like the modern 
day vehicles such as Dico's and RR's have for their AC. As for the Paint...I'd 
strip it down and re-do it!! you'll be much happier????

Yours,

John Wood  Event Co.. Solihull Society

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From: 	Steve Stoneham
Sent: 	Saturday, April 26, 1997 12:51 PM
Subject: 	Series question

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

I brought home my 59 SW today and noticed there is no air intake
(heater)on the right side wing where I would have expected one.There is
however one on the inside front right next to the breakfast that looks
factory,perhaps 4" square with mesh backing.Any ideas on what this was
installed for?
Also the previous owner must have fallen out of the vehicle on his head
at one time as he spraybombed over the truck in black.I suppose at the
huntin' camp this lovely color scheme would have been ok but...
A few sections did not bond well and are flaking off to reveal the
original blue paint.
Any idea on how to remove the top coat of black?(besides the usual hard
work)   :(
Thanks,
Steve

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Lightweight Question
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:20:17 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi all,
just a question out of curiosity:
With what engines came the lightweights originally?
2.25 petrol I guess. Or are there diesels, too?

Cheers,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: Series question
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:21:34 -0700

>I brought home my 59 SW today and noticed there is no air intake
>(heater)on the right side wing where I would have expected one.There is
>however one on the inside front right next to the breakfast that looks
>factory,perhaps 4" square with mesh backing.Any ideas on what this was
>installed for?

Sounds like the fresh air intake for the earlier type of Kodiak heater.
Do you have a big heater mounted in the passenger side footwell?

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1966 109 SW

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From: Martyn Chambers <spliff@herman.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:30:09 GMT

Please subscribe me to the Land-Rover maiing list.

Cheers

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:36:03 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Humor?

WJMcD@aol.com wrote:

  Wow! Where's it gone!

  Hope to meet you someday and swap stories.

  Bill McDonald

Dear Bill -

Whilst laying under my Land Rover the other day, trying to find the
Rover Content in my mail, I too was struck by the appalling thought that
maybe, just maybe, real serious, sick and uninhibited humour went out of
stock with the expiration of the Series III.

After all, if all I wanted was some anonymous global forum for a dubious
collection of rust-scraping, rivet-picking, power-ration-quoting nerds,
then ther are plenty of alternative newsgroups which would serve this
purpose.

Point is - I like the company here - and within as yet unchallenge
limits, I don't really mind what the subject is, or what the level of LR
content is. We have our cars, our old-world ideas, and our humour in
common (and still intact), and that's enough for me.

I've only been a member of this happy little club for eleven months, and
I have seen at least eight over-heated threads - freewheel hubs,
East-Coast Rover, splitting-the-list(s), Tractors,
what-is-the-best-camera/stereo/shirt/microwave oven,
Rover-content-contentment, non-original renovations to series I, How to
unsubscribe,  and now the Cat Theme to name but a few.

Seems any heartfelt subject, whether solihull-content-approved or not,
will inflame the hearts of some, whilst warming the cockles of others -
that's life!

Now I'm not one for rules - but if this "Club" had to have any rules, I
would put the striving for humourous (or at least human) content at
least as high on my list of priorities as Land Rover content in all its
many flavours.

If we just wanted to swap statistics and power-ratios. we'd probably all
have bought a different car anyway.

Maybe we should all meet up one day and all swap stories!

Cheers!

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:39:38 -0500
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Humor?

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Point is - I like the company here - and within as yet unchallenge
> limits, I don't really mind what the subject is, or what the level of LR
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> have bought a different car anyway.
> Maybe we should all meet up one day and all swap stories!

Nicely said Adrian

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From: GeratyBell@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:43:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

And besides, that particular recipe is really quite tasty.
Tom Geraty
88 RR.

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Subject: Cat thread
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:46:01 EDT

Again, sorry to offend anyone. Sorry the thread has gotten so long. And
I'm neither offended nor disgusted by the proposition of eating dog (I
have) nor eating people (don't go there) nor eating shad. 

Please ignore the rest of the postings, folks, and privately email me
your ROVER links, I'm getting my web page together this week!!!

Mark

Robot1@juno.com
Robot10@aol.com

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: hat are Defenders Defending?

>Honestly, I think the Defender name is simply marketingspeak. They
>had named the Rangie and the Disco, so they went back and
>retroactively named the REAL Land-Rover something dumb..... when
>Series 4  or 5 would have done quite nicely.

MINE IS A 90!!!!! IT IS >>>>>>NOT<<<<<< AND NEVER WILL BE A 
DEF....DEFEN........No. I cant bring myself to say it without 
laughing..........

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Tip of the day

>> I find that a quick shot of WD-40 is sufficient to take them down
>> at which point heel and toeing can be employed to finish.

Particularly with a lighter......They all sort of walk around looking 
confused as to why they cant take off.......

Or teh correct Anglo-Saxon method combinging teh maximum gratuitous 
destruction for the minimum effort - put a dob of jam on the pavement 
and surround it with a ring of wet NI3.........Wait a 
while.......

BzzzzzzzzzzzzzzCRAAACK

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

\>>         Personally, I think Mark's totally sick "cat recipe" piece
\>>         should
\>> have been edited. I don't know if there was some diseased thread
\>> that led to it but if this is some attempt at humor, its a kind we
\>> don't need on this list. There are plenty of outlets for sicko
\>> humor and behavior on the internet - we don't need it here!
\>
\>        Personally, I think jim's response to marks totally
\>        hillarious
\>"cat recipe" piece should have been edited. I don't know if there was
\>some humorless person that led to it,  but if this is some attempt at
\>being a moral conscience for others, its a kind we don't need on this
\>list. There are plenty of outlets for righteousness on the internet -
\>we don't need it here!

It was a JOKE recipe???????

Oh............shit..........

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

>You bet!  They say that there's more than one way to skin a cat, but
>just thinking of some of them makes me sick.  Yechh...

If you attach teh tail to the propshaft with a clove hitch and drive 
off.......

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: A funny Jeep story

>>Forwarded message.......
>>> Darwin Award    
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>>> months and this could have been added into it.
>>> ------- End of Forwarded Message

THIS STORY IS NOT FUNNY AT ALL. IT IS BOORISH AND INSENSITIVE AND AN 
OFFENSE TO JEEP LOVERS EVERYWHERE >:-[

[Must have been a Unimog reallly]

[[[[Oh no - cant say 'mog'? - sorry]]]]

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

>:Having owned a couple cats during my life, I still find humour in
>this mail!

Same here. 

Now DOGS..... >:-[

My ideal would be a highly paid part time job machinegunning dogs.

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Andy Woodward wrote:

> My ideal would be a highly paid part time job machinegunning dogs.

	Change dog to dingo and there may be an opportunity for you in
Australia, assuming you can meet their performance targets...

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Humor?

In a message dated 4/28/97 11:37:22 AM, Adrian wrote:

>If we just wanted to swap statistics and power-ratios. we'd probably all
>have bought a different car anyway.
>Maybe we should all meet up one day and all swap stories!

Look for the friendly Netslum or Netghetto at any of the big LR meets here in
the US coming up this summer and fall. You'll quickly recognize the members
by their wit and humor with lots of LR content as well as a Saab or two. :-)

pat.
93  110
BTW, is there a *comprehensive* calendar of events for the year? Is it on
someone's FAQ page?

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:01:54 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Myles Murphy's phone number

Hello all, I'm trying to reach Myles Murphy. The phone number that I have is
(207) 789-5303 and a robot-voice tells me that there is no service to this
number. 

Thanks, 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
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From: postmaster@metricom.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 09:05:07 -0800
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:09:01 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Sll Fuel Gauge Revisited

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:38:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:38:09 -0400
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: In-line fuse holder tip

	[Attachment INFO.WRI removed, was 5 lines.]	end of wire through where `nib' emerged fit bullet type conector.Cut about
2in from pen barrel. Ditto with other end of pen where nib in /out button
was removed and emplace t'other bit of wire but with coil spring round it .
Insert fuse & push fit together hardest bit is cutting to get length right
so  friction fit is tight enough to hold together. If you get it wrong, ask
someone if you can borrow their pen.

Tip 2 Local authorities plant lots of stuff along sides of highways. New
saplings are usually loosely attached to poles with tiewraps till roots are
established, handy if you need some tiewraps to help get you home. NB
remove sapling before using tiewrap.

Who mentioned Grolsch? Nice to see some taste on the list instead of all
this Nigerian lager banter.

Cheers,
Mike Gaines Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:39:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Myles Murphy's phone number

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> Hello all, I'm trying to reach Myles Murphy. The phone number that I have is
> (207) 789-5303 and a robot-voice tells me that there is no service to this
> number. 

	Last time this happened I was told, a car had sliced off one of
the junction boxes along the side of the road resulting in no telephone
service in the area for a few days. 

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Cats, Coils, etc
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:37:44 -0700

It's interesting to watch the recent postings going in just a few short
days from comments (pro and con) on e-mail with non Series LR content to
comments (again, pro and con) about cat recipe messages. (Can you get
much further off the mark?) But that's what I like about this list is
the mix  of informative and entertaining content.

*	Bob Watson
*	'95 Discovery
just enjoying the view from the cheap seats :-)

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:46:59 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: tip of the day

Pop rivetting Land Rovers often demands a large washer behind the rivet
to draw the rivetted parts together, and to make good the fact that the
old hole is probably corroded to well oversize.

With zinc washers of about 15mm with a 5mm hole being hard to find, and
when you do find them, costing over 1 kroner apiece - have you noticed
the following...

A one kroner coin fits the bill perfectly, as does a 2 kroner coin you
need it a little larger - and they only cost one or two kroner apiece.

The old 25 øre coins were better, and cheaper at 4 for a kroner.

It's supposed to be illegal, but the thought did occur to me... after
all, no point paying 1.25 worth of silver plated zinc washer, to get a
electroplated quickly to rust steel ditto - eh?

Bet they don't corrode as bad either!

Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
found 5/16" coinage yet?

--
Adrian Redmond

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From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: unsubscribe
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From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:56:05 -0400
Subject: Re-Galvanizing  Body Trim, etc.

     All,
     
     Some of y'all have redipped your capstrips and corner pieces.  I need 
     a shop that will do it in the DC-Balto area, up to size of the 
     windshield frame.  I think both Sandy and Nate had previously IDed 
     shops that hot-dip round here.  Appreciate if you could resend that 
     info.
     
     Hank
     1960 Long SW (undergoing re-framing and general resto)
     1997 Short SW (undergoing daily driving)

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:18:30 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Re-Galvanizing  Body Trim, etc.

The place you want is Baltimore Galvanizing. They're in the phone book. I 
have had some boat parts done there and Nate Dunsmore did all his LR 
trim. They're not too expensive. A six pack helps in the price 
negotiations, as there is no rate card on this sort of thing.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:06:14 -0600
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: tip of the day

At 06:46 PM 28/04/97 -0700, Adrian Redmond, wrote

>Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
>found 5/16" coinage yet?

Honest to god I thought I was the only one silly enough to be doing this.
I've drilled out the centers of Canadian one cent pieces (the copper allows
the nut to bed really nicely), 25 cent pieces to bridge across corroded
holes and a bunch of Kenyan shillings in various places as large washers.
It all comes from refusing to trek back to the store for a lousy couple of
washers after you've already made one visit, and during it, completely
forgotten why you went in the first place.

In every case I've told myself that it would be for a temporary fix and I'd
do a proper job later --- yeah right.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Subject line

Hey
Shouldn't all those cat recipes be prefaced by which vehicle is to be used? 
Such as 
SER CAT PARMESAN.  

Sorry, I am currently owned by a SER III,  3 Cats, and a Dog-that looks like a
black husky with a blue tongue-all were strays, like myself.  I don't think
that cat humor is any more endemic of a warped individual than a society.  In
"Holy Grail" a little cat slapping occurred and many will remember the fish
slap dance in "Flying Circus" of course except for the possibility of stupidity
poisoning I'd think cocker spaniels would make damn fine eating.  

If we shades doth offend.

Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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Subject: 110 doors and diesel cleaning
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:14:23 +0100 (BST)
From: Mr Timothy B McDowell <ms31tm@surrey.ac.uk>

Hi Folks,

About that dead door mechanism on the US spec 110. Have you tried to free the
door by pressing both internal and external knobs? If it fails, try stripping
the door (its easy enough on a UK spec County)

My 90 has about 5 PVC shims on the frame latch which  keep the door snugly
shut - until the Torx screws on same latch loosen every season (yes - its a
diesel). I think the shims are a Land-Rover part. Build quality? No comment.

Tim McDowell

PS Does anyone out there know anything about ATF fluid into your diesel
tank (in small amounts) to clean the injectors?

'91  90 Tdi County - awaiting trip to third continent!

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "James M. Davis" <jamesd@baker.cnw.com>

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Subject: LR and Names: (was: What are Defenders Defending?)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:42:18 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

Alan Richer wrote:

> Honestly, I think the Defender name is simply marketingspeak. They had
> named the Rangie and the Disco, so they went back and retroactively named
> the REAL Land-Rover something dumb..... when Series 4  or 5 would have done
> quite nicely.

	You should see the evil looks that I get when I explain that 
in effect the Land Rover 90/110/127 and Defenders are Series IVs with a
name change.  (Meaning that it is the 4th generation of a previously existing
vehicle).

> Witness the fact that they are retroactively trying to call all the landies
> Defenders, even though the name dats to '90 or thereabouts.

	And in the US, they are actively trying to get everyone to call Series
LRs "Heritage Land Rovers"  So to LRNA the Land Rover stable is:

Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover Range Rover
Land Rover Range Rover Classic
Land Rover Defender
Land Rover Heritage
Land Rover Freeloader^H^H^H^H^H^H Freelander  ;-)

	I also don't like the claim that 1.5 million (or so Defenders have
been built).  No my SIII is not a Defender, dammit. 

	Also trying to retoractively rename the old Range Rover to Range
Rover Classic (which isn't a bad idea), but to drop the new vehicle into
the old name is bad.  Which is why I'm encouraging people to call the new
RR the "Range Rover, mkII" to make it clear which Range Rover is the topic of
conversation.  

Ben (highly opintionated today)
Benjamin Allan Smith                           Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips           1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: 14th Birthday Party

	For those interested, info can be found at -

	http://204.119.251.4/OVLR/bp_genl.htm      or
	http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/bp_genl.htm

	Rgds,

	Dixon

(Why 2? depends on how reliable your DNS is.  Ours is flakey lately)

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: RE: Cats, Coils, etc

At 09:37 AM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>days from comments (pro and con) on e-mail with non Series LR content to
>comments (again, pro and con) about cat recipe messages. (Can you get
>much further off the mark?) But that's what I like about this list is
>the mix  of informative and entertaining content.
 
I mentioned the cat recipes to my sister (we've sorta been adopted by a cat)
and she was flabbergasted.  Aparently, people on the dressage list get
flamed for discussing something as non-dressage-y as what breeds of horse
are best for dressage.  Thanks, but I'll take the LRO/cat recipe list.  

(Horse people can be awful snooty.  Not my sister though.)

>just enjoying the view from the cheap seats :-)

Me too.  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:51:22 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: LR and Names: (was: What are Defenders Defending?)

> Ben (highly opintionated today)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So? Too bad the Rover marketing types weren't. Or they had stupid 
ones.
I remember quite clearly when I first read the announcement of the 
Defender. I just about chucked.
Some people just can't leave well enough alone. One thing that I 
*really liked* about Land Rovers was that the variuos models didn't 
have stupid names. Or any names at all for that matter.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:06:55 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Names in general

What is this obsession with manufacturers and their marketing advisors
with fancy names.

In the old days, we knew where we were - series 1, 2, 2a and 3, even
stage one (a series III with a series IV front body and a series IIIA
motor?) was in someway logical - but the Coounty, Defender and all that
- seems like pandering to the customs of the saloon car market - Ford
Fiasco, Hillman Revenger, Austin Andante, Fiat Flatunento, VW Gulf - and
all that.

Soon our Land Rovers will be like Internet Sofware - the Land Rover
Defender version 4A Beta Pre-release #3 (wasn't that the series 2A?) - a
sort of improvement on the previous version, more buttons (most of which
don't work yet) more whistles (some of which jam the whole shambles up),
more bells (most of which you don't find how to work before you upgrade.

What about upgrading - in the old days of manufacturers having some
responsibility for the applicationworthiness of their products,  such
improvements were dubbed "Replacements supplied free of charge due to
faulty design and workmanship" - now the essential repairs to something
which should have worked before it got onto the shelf in the shop are
called upgrades - and we can all impress each other by boasting about
having used our computer, our time, and our telephone line to download a
free software package which, if we are lucky, will iron out some of the
problems created by the previous upgrade, whilst presenting a host of
new problems which may, if we're lucky, get solved by the next upgrade.
And so on , ad infinitum.

This marketing tendancy, which if the software world is anything to go
by, is spreading like the clap, is nothing less than the Emporers New
Clothes in yet another disguise, a shady crock-of-shit dealt by
companies whose liquid assets would presuppose an inherent ability to
get things right first time around, but whose corporate culture allows
them to race ahead, expect us to pay for it, and then expect us to fill
in little forms, telling them what bits don't work, whilst constructing
the medium of communication in such a way, that we are educated not to
expect any reply or credit for our contribution to their future liquid
asset growth.

It's all a sham, which any other business would have had to own up to,
and avoid like the plague, at the risk of litigation commensurate with
immediate bankruptcy.

Can you imagine it - "Sorry that your ship sank, but the problem was in
the port door software, which was actually a Beta 3 pre-release 7
version, it has now been debugged and an update will be available at
this site soon."

The thin end of the wedge for the LR owner is the onset of EFI and other
computer controlled seven day wonders., all of which serve to make
manufacture cheaper (who needs to calibrate this crap when you can build
it with loose tolerances, then install kilos of unnecessary electronics
to do the job for you?), whilst binding the customer to equally
unnecessary and expensive service and maintenance costs. Dress the whole
chabang up as a means of maximising recylcles raw-materials, minimising
emissions, and saving energy, and politicians will actually legislate
that this is the way of the future.

Future my a**! Keep it simple. The series vehicles were OK, noisy but OK
- if you want a saloon which does 29 m.p.g. seats five comfortably, and
runs quiet enough to hear the stereo or other peoples horns, then buy
one. Accept these tractors for what they are. Upgrades are OK, if they
are well-considered - the 90/100 were, in many ways, well considered,
but they were also a trend which moved away from the basics which made
LR great, to a bad copy of something which all other 4WD manufacturers
already offer, throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Let's not be fooled by all this crap. Lets call a Stage 1 a series 3A
and a defender a series 5 - call the Range Rover a Range Rover, and the
Discovery a Deception.

or just call me an old romantic!

--
Adrian Redmond

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Re-Galvanizing  Body Trim, etc.
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:45:45 +0000

At 05:56 PM 4/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>     All,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>     Hank
>     1960 Long SW (undergoing re-framing and general resto)
>     1997 Short SW (undergoing daily driving)

Galvanizing.....

     Baltimore Galvanizing  410-288-1180  John  Sala

Hope this helps..

     
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:25:35 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Series question (heater, doors)

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> I brought home my 59 SW today and noticed there is no air intake
> (heater)on the right side wing where I would have expected one.There is
> however one on the inside front right next to the breakfast that looks
> factory,perhaps 4" square with mesh backing.Any ideas on what this was
> installed for?

That's the inlet for a west side of Atlantic installed heater. The
heater itself was installed on the right side of the bulkhead, with a
rectangular air distribution duct under the dash. The inlet was
connected to the heater by a flexible duct which ran inside the right
fender, and was supported by some brackets. This was the first of the
North American heaters, though I don't know when the Kodiak name was
first used, nor if the later Kodiaks were of the same design.

Look carefully to the left of center on your bulkhead under dash for two
holes, approximately 1" diameter. These are the holes for the round
Smith's heater which was original factory equipment. In my '60 SW they
are covered by a white patch.

Does your SW have one or two piece doors? Are the upper window
assemblies separate from the lower doors? Look at the end of the door
for continuous metal. Also, does your transmission have a dipstick? Is
it a 88" or 109"?

Regards,
David Cockey
'60 SII 88" SW
'60 SII 88" PU

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:50:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: tip of the day/coins for washers

In a message dated 4/28/97 4:26:54 PM, Adrian wrote:

>A one kroner coin fits the bill perfectly, as does a 2 kroner coin you
>need it a little larger - and they only cost one or two kroner apiece.
 
>The old 25 ore coins were better, and cheaper at 4 for a kroner.
 
>It's supposed to be illegal, but the thought did occur to me... after
>all, no point paying 1.25 worth of silver plated zinc washer, to get a
>electroplated quickly to rust steel ditto - eh?
 
>Bet they don't corrode as bad either!
 
>Maybe other LRO's of other nationality have similar recipes - anyone
>found 5/16" coinage yet?

The japanese coins were good for that. There used to be several denominations
that worked quite well. I remember seeing some Mitsubishi jeeps (WW II
vintage, abandoned) with coins as flatwashers... also got screwed in as good
luck amulets,apparently. Have you tried local body shops for "Fender
Washers"? They help spread the load anytime I bolt/screw to aluminum panels
on the rover.

Since we're talking about "coins for washers": I currently bring 200 lira
coins with me when returning from Italy. They sure help me to do my washing
at the coin-op; they work as Quarters (US$0.25)! and are worth less,
obviously. Now I'm sure *that's* illegal.

pat.
93  110

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:53:58 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LR and Names: Santana SIV, etc.

Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) wrote:
>         You should see the evil looks that I get when I explain that
> in effect the Land Rover 90/110/127 and Defenders are Series IVs with a
> name change.  (Meaning that it is the 4th generation of a previously existing
> vehicle).

Santana introduced an updated and revised version of the SIII in 1982
and named it the SIIIA. These retained leaf springs. In 1989 Santana
introduced the SIV, still with leaf springs. These were produced until
1994, though from '90 onward they lacked Land Rover badges. Also 90s
would be 93s if the numbers were actually wheelbase.

>         Also trying to retoractively rename the old Range Rover to Range
> Rover Classic (which isn't a bad idea), but to drop the new vehicle into
> the old name is bad.  Which is why I'm encouraging people to call the new
> RR the "Range Rover, mkII" to make it clear which Range Rover is the topic of
> conversation.

There were no Series One LRs until the Series Two was introduced. Then
coinciding with some significant changes the term Series IIA was
introduced, and an A appended to the VIN. But they didn't become SIIB
with the next set of changes and the suffix letter changing to B. And a
suffix J SIIA probably has less in common with a suffix A SIIA than does
a SII.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "James M. Davis" <jamesd@baker.cnw.com>
Subject: cancel all e-mail

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From: "Bruce Davis" <daviscar@concentric.net>
Subject:  Calling England HELP!!
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:09:50 -0500

 Hi All
 
 Well I find That I need a "new" Trans for my 67 88. I was trying to fax an
 order to a supplier in England to day but every time I dialed AT&T told me
 to check the number. It is right as far as I know
 I dialed 011 44 and then the fax number. What am I doing wrong or is
 England not taking any calls?
 
 Thanks for the help.
 
 Bruce
 67 SIIA 88 Patches
 59 SII 109 not named yet

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LR and Names: Santana, S IV, etc.

In a message dated 4/28/97 9:35:22 PM, David wrote:

>Santana introduced an updated and revised version of the SIII in 1982
>and named it the SIIIA. These retained leaf springs. In 1989 Santana
>introduced the SIV, still with leaf springs. These were produced until
>1994, though from '90 onward they lacked Land Rover badges. Also 90s
>would be 93s if the numbers were actually wheelbase.

Boy, Santana sure seem to be off on their own orbit now, don't they? So the
1990 onwards not-LRs with the missing badges are Santana 90's & 110's? Now
there's a hippy mobile to be had- the Santana Edition, complete with guitars
in back and groovy paint job. Personally, I never really took to liking the
Santana mods to the traditional LR way of doing lights, doors, rooves, etc.
They look kinda cobbled and ARO-ish.

So, I guess Stage I's (like that infamous tow-truck) are closer to Series III
in form, and the 90 that came out afterwards would be the Series IV?

How about we suggest they get rid of all names and go back to wheelbases,
with the distinctions being in the *plush factor*. The LR lineup would then
take on a form like:

100 Ultra Plush (4.6)
100 Barcalounger Deluxe (4.0)
100 Office chair (Disco)
etc... down the line to
109 Flintstone Van
88 Flintstone Car; oops sorry, Heritage Flintstone Car :-)

<<OK, deep breath now, and exhale, then hit delete rather that get all
uppity.>>

pat.
93  110 
[ Now I know why they aren't yellow. Schoolbusses would be tempted to mate
:-(  ]

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:43:15 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Looking for...

Does anybody know the whereabouts of Fred Monses  (Camel Trophy '90, 
Siberia)?   I've tried <four11.com> on the web, but he's not listed in any 
phone book.  Cheers  

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:52:35 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Series question (heater, doors)

In my '60 SW they
> are covered by a white patch.
> Does your SW have one or two piece doors? Are the upper window
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> for continuous metal. Also, does your transmission have a dipstick? Is
> it a 88" or 109"?
The SW is an 88",I also have a 1959 2 litre diesel 88 that seem to have
originally been painted yellow inside?.
The doors on the SW are 1 pc.,(welded tops to the bottoms)the diesel has
2 pc. doors.I can't see the inside of the bulkhead as the trim is
covering this area at the moment.The diesel has the round you mention.
Trim throughout the wagon is identical to the NADA I have,though nearly
10 years difference in age.
One other interesting detail is the shape of the interior mirror which
is sort of turned up at the edges (sort of like a smile)as opposed to
the Series IIA style which is more oval shaped.The back door,still
covered by the original trim,is missing the middle bracket that would
allow installation of the spare wheel on the door.
Another observation I've made is the fact that Jaeger
gauges,particularly dual temp. and press,(as opposed to the Smith's)seem
to hold up better to the ravages of time.The paint on any I've seen(3or
4)is not flaking off like it seems to on later models.
I'm sure it didn't long for the engineers to realise the poor
positioning of the heater air intake hose,exposed to the debris from the
front wheel.

I haven't looked at the transmission yet.
Regards,
Steve

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:49:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Calling England HELP!!

Bruce,

Are you remembering the area code? All the area codes in the U.K., got an
extra number a few years ago. Now, there's a 1 in front of all of them
(example: greater London used to be 81, now it's 181)

Just so happens, I'm faxing England for a price on a transmission as well
(got a quote for some gears today, that blew my socks off...$471.00 for
second gear, and $320.00 for first gear - that's a rebuilt transmission from
England, with money left over!).

Charles Irvin
1962 SIIA 109 dlesel
1959 SII 88 petrol

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:55:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: tip of the day/coins for washers

Adrian,

I'll have to try that one. Being part Norwiegan, I happen to have some old
Kroners that have holes drilled into them already! (I believe they were
replaced by new coins, or the currency changed a bit for some reason, but in
either case, I have lots of them)

Charles

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 02:50:16 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: Attn: Mike Gains

Dear Mike, 
Recieved this fwd the same night as you quick fix...Thought you might get a 
kick!!
John Wood- event Co- Solihull Society
JWROVER@MSN.COM

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From: 	David Hanna
Sent: 	Monday, April 28, 1997 3:40 PM
Cc: 	Michele Remley
Subject: 	[Fwd: humor news (fwd)]

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Does this sound like a Bosley family outing or is it just me?

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Date: 25 Apr 1997 10:20:22 -0700
From: Bsoderlund@kktv.com
Subject: humor news

> The following article was taken from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, July
> 25,1996:
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> Upon being notified of the wreck, Lavinia (Poole's wife), asked how many
> frogs the boys had caught and did anyone get them from the truck.

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:31:48 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LR and Names: Santana, S IV, etc.

> Boy, Santana sure seem to be off on their own orbit now, don't they? So the
> 1990 onwards not-LRs with the missing badges are Santana 90's & 110's....
Actually, the later Santanas SIIIA and SIV chassises were SIIIs with the
parabolic leaf springs. Otherwise its hard to say if Santana was
following Solihull or vise-versa. The IIIA models in '83 had front disk
brakes, and power-assisted steering was available. Santana was the first
with timing belts, and developed the LT85 5-spd gearbox. Bodies
gradually evolved along the directions of the 90/110, though with some
unique to Santana varients.

> Personally, I never really took to liking the
> Santana mods to the traditional LR way of doing lights, doors, rooves, etc.
> They look kinda cobbled and ARO-ish.
Are you refering to the Ligero which was a civilian version of the
Santana military LR? It is different.

> So, I guess Stage I's (like that infamous tow-truck) are closer to Series III
> in form, and the 90 that came out afterwards would be the Series IV?
The Stage I was technically a Series III 109 V8. Basically it was a SIII
with the RR drivetrain. Santana SIVs were developments of the SIII, not
a Spanish version of the 90/110.

Santana stopped LR production in 1994.
(Source for most of above is "Land Rover 1948-1983, Leaf-Sprung Models"
by James Taylor.)

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Bryn Hackland <bryn@hackland.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Calling England HELP!!
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:19:04 +0100
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All the telphone code changed in the UK the other year, most had an =
extra '1' put in them but some changed completely. If you want a =
particular number let me know and I'll dig it out for you. Similarly if =
you need names of parts suppliers I also have some good contacts and may =
be able to get you some good prices.

Bryn Hackland

SIIA LWB SW 'Bluebell'

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From: 	Bruce Davis[SMTP:daviscar@concentric.net]
Sent: 	29 April 1997 03:09
Subject: 	Calling England HELP!!

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

 Hi All

 Well I find That I need a "new" Trans for my 67 88. I was trying to fax =
an
 order to a supplier in England to day but every time I dialed AT&T told =
me
 to check the number. It is right as far as I know
 I dialed 011 44 and then the fax number. What am I doing wrong or is
 England not taking any calls?

 Thanks for the help.

 Bruce
 67 SIIA 88 Patches
 59 SII 109 not named yet

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From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:41:17 -0400 ()

unsubscribe Land-Rover-Owner

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Adamson, John G
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: RE: Calling England HELP!!
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 9:03:09 BST

> All the telphone code changed in the UK the other year, most had an =
> extra '1' put in them but some changed completely. If you want a =

>From last time I tried it (!), forgetting the "1" or getting completely the
wrong code results in a recorded message. I guess they can't keep the
recorded messages for ever, though...

Bruce: Not half as complicated as the US system :-)
But then, remember to drop the "0" at the beginning of the area code...

Richard

> particular number let me know and I'll dig it out for you. Similarly if =
> you need names of parts suppliers I also have some good contacts and may =
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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: 1997 Blinman Land Rover Jamboree
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:49:04 +0930

Well, its almost here. The 1997 Land Rover Register of South Australia
Blinman Jamboree will be taking place over the long weekend in May (17 to
19).
We've been and checked out the trials track and the adventure tours for the
Sunday. There will be tours on tracks that will suit everyone with each one
having its own highlights.
The trials area will be redesigned this year to accommodate 2 trials
tracks, and the big dam next to the track will assist in making on of the
tracks a little more "adventuresome"!
Accommodation is still available at Angorichina (shearers quarters and
village), but is going fast. Camping is not a problem and can easily be
done in the area outside the trials course. Saturday night will be the
street party with the Blinman Hotel setting up the BBQ and beer and this is
expected to run until sometime around 3am.
The healthy among us will then head off to see more of the most beautiful
scenery in the world around the northern Flinders Ranges. The sunsets last
weekend had to be seen to be believed.
Look forward to seeing as many Land Roverphiles as can make it
Alan Logue President
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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