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1 WK Lim [adequa@pl.jaring25 Discovery Engine Enhancement
2 Steve Stoneham [stoneham16Re: Tip of the day
3 "spencer k. c. norcross"24Re: Cat recipies replies
4 CBeireis@aol.com 7Re: Cat recipies
5 robot1@juno.com (Mark E 39[not specified]
6 SPYDERS@aol.com 17Hail to Birmabright... (effect of)
7 jimallen@onlinecol.com (38Re: Cat recipies replies
8 jimallen@onlinecol.com (11Re: Mark, Cat recipes.
9 postmaster@metricom.com 5[not specified]
10 Sanna@aol.com 21Re: Cat recipies
11 CIrvin1258@aol.com 23Re: Cat recipies replies
12 lopezba@atnet.at 18Re: Wildlife
13 davery@on-ramp.ior.com (7234 ICH carb problems
14 Adrian Redmond [channel671Respect for our fellow creatures!
15 "William L. Leacock" [wl19Points
16 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world17cat recipe
17 Solihull@aol.com 29Re: Points
18 RINGOJACK@aol.com 12Air Dams
19 Douglas L Boothby [booth19another parts car
20 David L Glaser [dlglaser23Re: Air Dams
21 David L Glaser [dlglaser14Sightings
22 CIrvin1258@aol.com 13Re: cat recipe
23 "AndMor@MSN.com " [AndMo10!Reply! Help Wanted
24 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu25Re: Cat recipies replies
25 Franz Parzefall [franz@m32Re: Diesel questions....
26 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u19Re: What are Defenders defending?


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From: WK Lim <adequa@pl.jaring.my>
Subject:  Discovery Engine Enhancement
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 1980 19:36:42 +0800

Hello,
I have a 2yr old Discovery Mpi. I have been told for the umpteenth time =
that it's under-powered, but I still think that fuel economy is more =
important than power.

Recently, I came across an Ad that promises to increase the power output =
of my Disco from a measly 2L engine to that of  2.5L. According to the =
mechanic, all he's going to do is to tweak the carburator a little, =
everything else is left untouched. And it's only a 3 - 4 hr job.

I'm not very good with engines so if anyone out there knows what the =
mechanic is going to do, could you please drop me an email. Or if you =
know of the pro's and con's of this type of engine makeover, do write to =
me.

Thanks.

WK Lim
adequa@pl.jaring.my

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:01:11 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tip of the day

car4doc wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hi Steve,
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> --
> Rob Davis_chicago
Thanks Rob,
I just find the WD more sportsmanlike.Sure they can't fly but they could
run really fast.
My Airedale(Nash,with an optional G) prefers them unbasted and from his
reactions indicates they have a certain tangy flavour!

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:19:35 +0000
From: "spencer k. c. norcross" <spencern@acr.org>
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

jim wrote....
>         Personally, I think Mark's totally sick "cat recipe" piece should
> have been edited. I don't know if there was some diseased thread that led
> to it but if this is some attempt at humor, its a kind we don't need on
> this list. There are plenty of outlets for sicko humor and behavior on the
> internet - we don't need it here!

        Personally, I think jim's response to marks totally hillarious
"cat recipe" piece should have been edited. I don't know if there was
some humorless person that led to it,  but if this is some attempt at
being a moral conscience for others, its a kind we don't need on this
list. There are plenty of outlets for righteousness on the internet - we
don't need it here!

spenny
Arlington, VA

1969 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Land Rover 4WD of choice for the Information Superhighway

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From: CBeireis@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

:Having owned a couple cats during my life, I still find humour in this mail!

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Subject: Jim Allen, Cat recipes.
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:36:18 EDT

Sorry if I caught you just before breakfast, Jim. I guess reading my
short note just before a meal would be the only thing that would result
in such venom in any civilized person. Hey, we're all cat lovers here,
just some people love them in a different way.

Thanks, Adrian, for jumping to my aid.... Members of the Church of the
Royal Looney should stick together. I didn't seek to offend, only to
entertain, and I agree that a little levity on the list is the way we all
get to know one another. Still, we can hardly blame a Rover Owner for
having unusual personality traits.....I've had Gravy fries, common in my
wife's native Ontario, but never Wooster fries. Sound good, wish you
could email me some....Give me someone to email and I'll tell them to
cease and desist. I've eaten baked Bees, but not wasps. Taste like
chicken.

Charles, I do have some recipes for Long Pig,  from an old national
Geographic, and it  sure sounds good, but I've never tried... Let me know
if you ever do, I'm curious.

Rover Content. I visited my soon to be Rover yesterday. I took pictures,
which I will post to my web page, and got it started. Possible fuel pump
problem; had to keep pouring gas into the carb to keep it running. Even
then, it ran smoothly and looks to
be a great project. $400.00 from now it's mine. Then I have to get
someone to trailer it from Indianapolis to my home in Dyer. Anyone who
knows a good rollback service in the nw/central indiana area or
thereabouts, please let me know. 350 mile round trip.

I'm looking for cool Rover links to post to my page; please email them to
me off the list and I'll include them. 

Mark Hardig
Robot1@juno.com
Robot10@aol.com

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Hail to Birmabright... (effect of)

Has anyone seen the results of hail on LR body panels? 

At what size pellet does it start to leave dimples, and is it fixable? 

Why isn't hail measured in dimension rather than comparison? (ie: 1/2" vs
gumdrop-sized hail)Must be another inch-metric thing...

thanks,

pat
93  110

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:08:14 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

To all the "Cat Abusers" on the List-

        Here's the substance of my reply to Adrian. I spoke my piece before
- I'll speak it again here on last time. And Spenny, if I have to endure
what I consider sick humor on this list in the name of freedom of speech, I
guess you'll have to endure my protests of it!

        Within certain limits, I agree with you but my opinion stands. I
grew up with Monty Python as well ("If you hadn't nailed him to the perch,
he'd be pushing up daisies by now!") but my tolerance level is low on the
issue at hand.
        Sometimes it's real easy to see the humor in a statement, even when
it's sick humor, Other times it's not. The cat recipe itself was borderline
but since it was followed by the old "if it doesn't come back, hunt it down
and kill it" the whole thing struck me as more real feelings than humor.
Sometimes sick humor is just that, other times it's just sick. My gut
feeling was that this was sick and I expressed myself about it.
         As far as censorship goes, how about if I invent and describe in
graphic detail a human torture and murder (and have it done in a Land Rover
just so there's content) and then post it on our list. What do you think
will happen? Or should happen?
        I will admit that I am overly sensitized to the issue of cats. I
like them. Better than dogs. Society seems to think it's OK to abuse cats,
or at least talk about abusing them as if it were funny. If you try the
same "jokes" except substitute "puppy" or "dog," people are ready to tear
your heart out. I know, I've tried it. It's a double standard.
       As an aside, I think the issue of censorship IS NOT an inviolate
one. I am a journalist and author, in case you didn't know, so free speech
is important to me. The censorship problem comes with who, what, when,
where and how it should be invoked. As you intimated, it's probably better
to suffer with poor taste and sick humor but there are times.....

        Jim Allen

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:11:58 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Mark, Cat recipes.

Addendum,

        Just read Mark's comments. Well, he doesn't sound like a total
deviate but pretty close!

        Jim

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 97 09:02:31 -0800
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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 12:49:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

>        Personally, I think Mark's totally sick "cat recipe" piece should
>have been edited. I don't know if there was some diseased thread that led
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>internet - we don't need it here!
>        Jim Allen

You bet!  They say that there's more than one way to skin a cat, but just 
thinking of some of them makes me sick.  Yechh...

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, WI  53562

1-800-373-7226

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:28:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

Jim...

I kinda figured you were the same Jim Allen that I have read, and I do enjoy
some of your articles. I do agree with you, on the subject of free speech,
BUT...

There is also a thing known as freedom of expression: The gentleman that
posted the "cat recipies" merely expressed himself, and while you took
offense to it, you expressed yourself as well. When expressing ones' self,
there should be no form of censorship, for if there were, then one's self
that is expressed, would not be a true picture.

Point is - life sucks, and we don't always get our way. So deal with it.
 Now, would all the cat lovers and cat haters PLEASE go back to their
corners?

Charles Irvin

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:30:48 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Wildlife

Dear all, since we had a lot of mail about wildlife in one form or another, 
let me add something I saw in National Wildlife:
Florida zoologist Mark Hostetler has published a book called
That Gunk on Your Car:
A Unique Guide to Insects of the United States
It will help you identify the 24 most common insects from their remains on 
your windshield, and show how these looked before they got in your way. For 
info, call 1-888-BUG-GUNK. Since our vehicles hit more insects per mile than 
the average car, this book is a must for all of you over there.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 97 12:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)
Subject: 34 ICH carb problems

Jeff Aaronson wrote:

Subject: Weber Carb Information

"Duncan,
I think I'm running the same single barrel Weber carb on my '66 II-A 2.25 gas
engine as the one you requested information about the other day.

Mine has two adjustments; an idle mixture screw that fits on the bulkhead side
of the carb, and an idle speed screw that sits near the throttle linkage and is
reached only by leaning over the valve cover and aiming a screwdriver at a 90
degree angle.

The mixture screw is turned clockwise (with your hand reaching around the rear
of the carb) until the engine is ready to stall, and then back off 1 1/2 to 2
turns until it runs smoothly. Then adjust the idle speed.

The Weber suffers from a couple of  weak points - a potential air leak where the
throttle shaft enters the carb body. If you get any air in their, you will lean
out the mixture and adjustments will be futile. A giveaway are plugs that have
white deposits on the electrodes, or an engine that diesels when you shut it
down.  Another test is to spray carb cleaner or WD-40 around the shaft on the
side of the carb body; if the engine speeds up, you have a leak. Make sure the
bolts holding the cab to the intake manifold are tight, too.

Also, the filters (at the bottom of the float bowl where the gas line enters the
carb), float bowl bottom, and jets and pinholes seem to clog up easily. I've
often removed all the screws and sprayed carb cleaner through a thin straw
through the all the orifices. It often makes it run smoother, particularly after
a bouncy off road run.

Lastly, remember no carb seem on if the valves are way out of adjustment, the
points are toast,  the timing is off, or the intake manifold is loose. 

Once I took care of a leak in the carb body,  my Weber has been fine for my car
in daily use."

I've been having a lot of problems with my carb also, Jeff.  I've gone from
the .165 to a .175 primary jet, which has helped a lot. And I'm going to th
.180 to see if that helps.   I installed in on a  new Turner rebuild 2.25 L,
btw.  Tons more power than the old engine.  

Now, the dang thing is acting up again.  The engine surges and I've had a
lot of problems with backfiring, the outside of the carb, nearest the valve
cover, is now coated with a black carbon film.  I am going to try your carb
cleaner trick and see if that's the problem.  I must be having an air leak
somewhere.  The base is firmly bolted to the intake manifold, so it's not
that.  

Oh, also checked and readjusted the valves, they were o.k. the distributer
has an electronic ignition system installed, but the timing appears to be
o.k. also.

So I'll let you know what happens with the spray trick.  If that doesn't
work, I'll pull the dang thing apart again, reclean it and cut some new
gaskets for it.  

How did you seal your leak????

Dale
-----
    Dale Avery KC7MM 
    Ms Daisy '73 SIII

-----
    Dale Avery KC7MM 
    Ms Daisy '73 SIII

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:46:19 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Respect for our fellow creatures!

Now I wish I'd never jumped so fast to join the cat humour thread - on
the other hand we've all learnt a little bit more about each other eh?

My parting note on this subject will be to offer you all, by way of
apology, the following joke which i received a few weeks ago ---

joke start ----------------

A guy is caught by a ranger eating a bald eagle and is consequently
 put in jail for the crime. On the day of his trial, the conversation
went something like this:
Judge: "Do you know that eating a bald eagle is a federal offense?"
Man: "Yes I did. But if you let me argue my case, I'll explain what
happened."
Judge: "Proceed."
Man: "I got lost in the woods. I hadn't had anything to eat for two
weeks.  I was so hungry. Next thing I see is a Bald Eagle   swooping
down at the lake for some fish.  I knew that if I  followed the Eagle I
 could maybe steal the fish.
Unfortunately, in the process of taking the fish I killed   the Eagle.
I
figured
that since I killed the Eagle I might as well eat it since it would be
more disgraceful to let it rot on the ground."

Judge: "The court will take a recess while we analyze your
testimony."

15 minutes goes by and the judge returns.

Judge: "Due to the extreme circumstance you were under and because
you didn't intend to kill the Eagle, the court will dismiss the charges.

But if you don't mind the court asking, what   does a Bald Eagle taste
like?"

Man: "Well your honor, it's hard to explain. The best I can
describe it is maybe as a combination between a California  Condor and a

 Spotted Owl."

---- joke end -----

Apologies to bird lovers on this list - no offence intended. Now I
promise not to post any pythonesque postings which depart from the
essentially mechanical of solihull relevence for at least 7 days! (I
hope)

Keep on roverin' fellows!

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:02:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Points

John Carlson writes

This time I figured out part of the mystery -- the plastic rubbing block
ismelting!  Not from friction at the cam, but from heat generated at
thepoints.  Can anyone give me a clue about why this is happening?

There are two types of contact breakers available for the 25d4 distributor.
One type has a soft plastic cam, this requires lubricating with the special
grease which should be provided with the points. The other type uses a
phenolic cam which is much more durable and hard wearing than the soft
plastic type.  These too can benefit from lubrication but it is not required
at the same frequency as the red plastic cam.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: cat recipe
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:36:37 +0000

mark, what are you the "uncle milty" of the lro net? that "joke" was old
long ago. now for the real joke. you take a shad and nail it to a plank and
cook it for several days, then you remove the shad and eat the plank. it
comes from an old political meeting here in virginia call the "shad
planking" it takes place in wakefield, va. the cat part was yuck! I like
cats and my toller.

jim wolf 1966 109 sIIa sw "vicky"
keep on (Land-Rover) truckin'
still, digital photographer
portsmouth, va USA

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:19:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Points

John Carlson writes

This time I figured out part of the mystery -- the plastic rubbing block
ismelting!  Not from friction at the cam, but from heat generated at
thepoints.  Can anyone give me a clue about why this is happening?

OK, John; 'fess up! You have something other than a Lucas Coil in there,
don't you? Many years ago, stranded in the wilds of a Kroger parking lot, I
replaced my coil with a typical 'murrican ten dollar one, 'cause the Lucas
one was kaput. It took a few sets of points to get home. The coil was too
'hot' and the block kept melting. An extra condenser in parallel with the
other one got it under control 'til I could get home and fit a Bosch Blue (I
have several) which is still working albeit now with a pertronix ignitor. Fit
an OEM coil, or at least a Bosch one and the melty prob should go away. *Do*
check the condenser, too, though!
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!

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From: RINGOJACK@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:35:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Air Dams

Does it effect MPG or create more wind noise if the air dam on a 96 Disco is
removed?? I have those driving lights on the bottom and I am told I can have
those postioned somewhere else.  Is it worthwhile to have it removed??  Im
hoping someone can provide some info.  

Mark Roby

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:14:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Douglas L Boothby <boothby@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: another parts car

In a moment of total insanity, I believed driving nothing but Rovers would
be the path to true happiness.Now you all know how sick I must be. My latest
acquisition is a 1988 Sterling in desperate need of a transmision (auto).
I've been quoted $1800 to rebuild it and found 1 at a junkyard for $1000.I'm
too cheap for either solution and am wondering if anyone may know of a parts
car hidden behind someone's barn here in New England. I've got half a dozen
88 parts trucks that could make for interesting trading material or will
purchase.
88 Sterling
88 Range Rover
69 88 bugeye(2)
65 88 plow truck
58 Ser I
58 3.4L Jag

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:34:26 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Air Dams

> Does it effect MPG or create more wind noise if the air dam on a 96 Disco is
> removed?? I have those driving lights on the bottom and I am told I can have
> those postioned somewhere else.  Is it worthwile?

Removing the front airdam gives you an extra 3-4 degrees of approach. 
It should not affect wind noise or handeling, the airdam was there
really for cosmetic reasons, LRs were never really known for their
aerodynamics.  I was actually planning on removing mine.  Its been
ripped-off 3 times already by rocks, I have no idea why I keep on
reattaching it!  If you remove it, you have to either cut down the
endcaps, or order a a cutdown set from a Discovery XD (which already
comes from the factory without an airdam).  I ordered a set from a XD,
they cost $35 each, but if you call a place like Rovers North you might
be able to get them cheaper.

Rover On,
David L Glaser           '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu     '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:42:00 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Sightings

I just got back from Florida, In addition to the million or so RR and
Discoverys I saw, on Thursday, about 5pm I saw a marine blue 88 hardtop
series II or III (I saw it from the side) heading south on A1.  Also
earlier that afternoon I got lost in Coconut Grove, in the drive way of
this huge mansion I saw a dark green (bronze green?) 109 wagon and a
yellow XD Discovery.  Anyone from the list?

Regards,
David l Glaser

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:56:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: cat recipe

Careful there, James...we already had one complaint about that one (wasn't
me).

Charles Irvin

P.S....Next thing you know, we'll have all the insect lovers here,
complaining about the Brakleen/hornets posting!

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 04:54:24 UT
From: "AndMor@MSN.com " <AndMor@msn.com>
Subject: !Reply! Help Wanted

 

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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 08:28:31 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Cat recipies replies

Jim Allen wrote:

> To all the "Cat Abusers" on the List-
> same "jokes" except substitute "puppy" or "dog," people are ready to  
>         Jim Allen

Now you're talking, Jim! Let's see those recipes for Maltese Poodles
come rolling in now...

L-R content: The bloody things seem to have a death wish. They persist
in throwing themselves in front of the vehicle (the vehicle with the
renowned stop-on-a-dime brakes!).
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
http://africanadrenalin.com

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Diesel questions....
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:32:14 +0200 (MET DST)

Floris,

| I found a chap who has a 2.5 n/a diesel for sale, for $1000. He has 
| driven 40,000 km with it before converting it to a turbo, and forgetting
| to upgrade the pistons! So one piston has a slight crack in it, (I've
| seen it), but the cylinders look perfect.
I'd be careful with anything like a 2.25 or 2.5 D that to close contact
with a turbo. The 2.5TD has a quite bad reputation and it's more or less
just a 2.5D with add on turbo.

| 3.Maybe weld a new engine mounting on right front chassis, as I think
| they are differant for 2.25 and 2.5 ?????
No. 2.25 and 2.5 share the same block. The major differences are the crankshaft,
the injector pump and the timing belt.
However the fan assembly on the 2.5D is longer, but I heard that this can
be solved by using the old fan.

Cheers,
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: What are Defenders defending?
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 9:22:42 BST

> >BTW, does anyone know what Defenders are supposed to be "Defending"? I'm
> >curious as to lro list's opinion of that name.
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> Multi-mission Wheeled Vehicle) the "Hummer."  But as far as the Defender is
> concerned, I would have preferred "Series IV Model 90/110/127" myself.

In the 1970s, 40% of all Land Rovers went to military contracts...

I doubt the Defender replacement will be called the Series 5 - BMW already
make one of those. I guess they could call it a "Series V" and play on the
"V for Victory"?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR 2x4)

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