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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 05:59:13 -6
Subject: Re: Diesel questions....

snip
> diesel in a 109 ser IIa ? The worklist I've put together goes something
> like this:
> 1.Convert petrol tanks, (return line fuel filter).

Easy

> 2.Change ser II belhousing to ser III to make clutch system compatible.
I should think it would be easier to just use a IIa style clutch.

> 3.Maybe weld a new engine mounting on right front chassis, as I think
> they are differant for 2.25 and 2.5 ?????
> 1.Convert petrol tanks, (return line fuel filter).
No info on this one.
Ihope you're including replacing that piston. And probably the 
others. If one cracked, I imagine thes others are stressed.
snip

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Subject: Cat recipies
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:06:21 EDT

Here's my favorite:
Nail cat spread-eagled to a piece of pine or fir 2X12, 18 or 24" long
(depending on cat size)
Season to taste. I personally prefer stuffing said cat with Jalapeņos and
bread crumbs soaked in Teryaki sauce, then sprinkle liberally with lemon
juice, pepper, salt, (salt substitute may be used for those with sodium
problems) and ginger.
Wire this "assembly" to the muffler with the cat sandwiched between the
muffler and the board (a pre-flattened cat works best, here) Drive for
2-1/2 hrs at highway speeds.
In wintertime add 1 hour and subtract salt from seasoning(road salt
otherwise makes for too salty a recipe)
Carefully remove board and cat from muffler. Can be placed next to engine
in engine compartment to keep warm if you're not ready to eat yet.
To serve, pull nals from cat, and using a wide-bladed spatula, scrape cat
off board. Eat board, discard cat.

Mark

If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't return, hunt it down,
and kill it.

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:30:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Timing chain/tensioner

Wayne Haight asked about the timing chain with slipper pad tensioner
recommended by Rovers North.  I did this to my 2.25 engine when I rebuilt it
6000 miles ago.  The fragile tensioner sprocket assembly is replaced with a
more modern Reynolds tensioner as used by other British engines.  I believe
this updates this part of the engine to the later 2.5 liter style.
The timing chain is shorter, resulting in having to be installed as a unit
with the two sprockets - they slide onto the cam and crank at the same time,
as there is not enough slack to do it any other way.  The new cam sprocket
would only go on one way - can't adjust the cam timing a few degrees one way
or another.  So far all this has worked fine.  I also modified the timing
chain cover to allow future front crank seal replacement without removing
the cover. 
Cheers,
   erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Series  III  88"

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From: oboskyr@mail.interquest.de
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:27:15 +0000
Subject: A funny Jeep story

Hi all,
 This story does not mention Land Rovers what-so-ever, but I feel it 
does have a valuable message buried deep in its contents that may be 
of interest to LR owners.  Can you find it ?

Forwarded message.......

> Darwin Award    
> Candidate #2-
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 77 lines)]
> months and this could have been added into it.
> ------- End of Forwarded Message
Cheers, 
Reggie  '82 Ser III

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:39:29 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

        Personally, I think Mark's totally sick "cat recipe" piece should
have been edited. I don't know if there was some diseased thread that led
to it but if this is some attempt at humor, its a kind we don't need on
this list. There are plenty of outlets for sicko humor and behavior on the
internet - we don't need it here!

        Jim Allen

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:51:49 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series question

I brought home my 59 SW today and noticed there is no air intake
(heater)on the right side wing where I would have expected one.There is
however one on the inside front right next to the breakfast that looks
factory,perhaps 4" square with mesh backing.Any ideas on what this was
installed for?
Also the previous owner must have fallen out of the vehicle on his head
at one time as he spraybombed over the truck in black.I suppose at the
huntin' camp this lovely color scheme would have been ok but...
A few sections did not bond well and are flaking off to reveal the
original blue paint.
Any idea on how to remove the top coat of black?(besides the usual hard
work)   :(
Thanks,
Steve

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series question/paint removal by layer

In a message dated 4/26/97 12:50:28 PM, Steve wrote:

>Also the previous owner must have fallen out of the vehicle on his head
>at one time as he spraybombed over the truck in black.I suppose at the
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Any idea on how to remove the top coat of black?(besides the usual hard
>work)

Steve, I've heard of "plastic media" paint removal; basically a type of
sandblasting that uses various shape/density/impact speeds of plastic grains
instead of sand. It can take paint off "layer by layer" according to the
practitioners of that method. Developed to take paint off fragile aircraft
skins while leaving good primer intact, etc.

Super easy (big shop-vac for cleanup), but as is usually the case with work
vs. $, probably inversely proportional to the ease would be the cost. I know
it isn't feasible for those (99.99% of us) who are on some form of budget;
but you did ask.

Since it is aircraft related, I would look there. Perhaps other lro's have
come across it?

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:39:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:funny J**p story/No LR Content

In a message dated 4/26/97 1:34:22 PM, you wrote:

  >Forwarded message.......
  >
  >> Darwin Award    
  >> Candidate #2-
  >	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 77 lines)]
  >> months and this could have been added into it.
  >> ------- End of Forwarded Message

HA! Serves the story right! That's what it gets for having no LR-content ;-)

pat
93  110

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:03:58 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cat recipies

Jim Allen wrote:

  New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

          Personally, I think Mark's totally sick "cat recipe" piece
  should
  have been edited. I don't know if there was some diseased thread
  that led
  to it but if this is some attempt at humor, its a kind we don't need
  on
  this list. There are plenty of outlets for sicko humor and behavior
  on the
  internet - we don't need it here!

          Jim Allen

Hej Jim! Take it easy old fellow! I really would have thought that
anyone with the sense of humour required to own a Land Rover, can
tolerate a small amount of well-meant sick humour now and again.

Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion - that I respect, but if
we moderated this list (even if such self censorship was possible) so as
not to tickle the insensibilities of all subscribers, the end result may
be a list which is so boring, that there would be no subscribers anyway.

Every day there are examples of humour or relevant content which some
people consider relevant or funny - if it differs from my definition, I
don't mind, because as humour or non-lr content it gives me some insight
into the individuals whom I am proud to call "Friends on the LRO net".

Without some sick humour or non-lr content now and again, my impressions
of TeriAnn, Dixon, Peter Hirsch, Rick Grant, and all the other foreign
posters would be that of a group of carburettor freaks - instead, their
varied witterings have given me a "portrait" (incomplete as it is) of
each and every subscriber.

If my reply to the cat thread appalled or disgusted you, I can only
apologise and offer as explanation an english public school upbringing
in the era of Monty Python - for which I would never otherwise
apologise.

But thanks for your mail, it too has given me an insight into the
variety within this brotherhood.

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:23:09 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@mail1.halcyon.com>
Subject: What are Defenders defending?

From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:49:06 -0400
Subject: What are Defenders Defending?

>BTW, does anyone know what Defenders are supposed to be "Defending"? I'm
>curious as to lro list's opinion of that name.

I suspect the name is in some way based on the widespread use of the Land
Rover by military organizations around the world.  The last few years have
seen some large UK military contracts go Land Rover's way, as well.  Many
people in the US are not as aware of the Land Rover's tremendous military
role as people in the UK and Europe.  Since marketing dictates that
vehicles be "named" these days, the Defender wasn't a bad choice as it
denotes toughness, a military background (which reinforces the notion of
toughness), and has other macho connotations rolled in.  Sort of like AM
General (or whoever) calling the civilian HMMWV (High Mobility
Multi-mission Wheeled Vehicle) the "Hummer."  But as far as the Defender is
concerned, I would have preferred "Series IV Model 90/110/127" myself.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:26:40 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Tip of the day 

I've noticed,while going over a number of older Land Rovers,hornets
(large black ones-yellow stripes)seem to favor these vehicles to nest
in.
Locations vary from trop top,door latch openings,under the
fenders,bulkhead and no doubt other spots which I'll find in due time.
I find that a quick shot of WD-40 is sufficient to take them down at
which point heel and toeing can be employed to finish.
I don't advise using this method on an entire nest as your coverage may
vary.(Ouch)

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 03:34:01 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Tip of the day 

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I've noticed,while going over a number of older Land Rovers,hornets
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> I don't advise using this method on an entire nest as your coverage may
> vary.(Ouch)

  Steve, got any good receipes for the little critters?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:09:43 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: A funny Jeep story

At 06:27 PM 4/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>does have a valuable message buried deep in its contents that may be 
>of interest to LR owners.  Can you find it ?

Sure, remove the GT's (>) before forwarding to the major...

>Forwarded message.......

>> Darwin Award    
>> Candidate #2-
 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 77 lines)]
>> months and this could have been added into it.
>> ------- End of Forwarded Message

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 23:12:52 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Worcester Sauce French Fries

Tim Guy wrote:

  We have been told by an inside sauce(!) at Walkers that some plonker
  at the
  top has decided that Worcester Sauce Frenchs Fries are to be
  replaced by
  Cheese and Onion.

  We feel that this has to be a rash idea and made without any
  consideration.

  A national campaign will HAVE to be implemented and I am concerned
  at the
  out come.

  Blood will be shed if need be, Lives will be given up for the cause.

  We will stop at nothing. We will win. We need Worcester Sauce French

  Fries.

  Friends, Gather Round, I beg you.

  What - have BMW also made a take-over at Walkers? We died in the last
war to prevent things like this! I blame the press myself! They will
never get away with it, the common man will not stand for it. Next thing
they'll be banning fish 'n' chips being sold in old newspaper and
butchers having sawdust on the floor. If we allow this, where will it
all end - that's what I want to know.

Of course it could be a cunning bavarian plotted EU lobby to get the
english to drive on the right?

Poor old blighty! Last one out, turn off the lights eh?

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 17:42:34 -0400
From: karlsson@edgenet.net (karlsson)
Subject: Progress Report (Continued...)

Today I sorted the throttle linkage (changing from original Solex to Zenith
was a puzzle for a while), filled swivel hubs, etc. with 90 wgt, bled
hydraulics, and then decided to test it in the field.  Started okay, then
died.  I checked the distributor again, and the gap had disappeared yet
again.  

This time I figured out part of the mystery -- the plastic rubbing block is
melting!  Not from friction at the cam, but from heat generated at the
points.  Can anyone give me a clue about why this is happening?

If you have a solution, please e-mail me directly at
<karlsson@edgenet.net>, as I am not on the real time list.

John Karlsson
Hope Valley, Rhode Island

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Series question/paint removal by layer
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:52:34 -0700

> Steve, I've heard of "plastic media" paint removal; basically a type of
> sandblasting that uses various shape/density/impact speeds of plastic
grains
> instead of sand. It can take paint off "layer by layer" according to the
> practitioners of that method. Developed to take paint off fragile
aircraft
> skins while leaving good primer intact, etc.

I am surprised that it was developed for fragile aircraft skin.  The only
body shop in this area (that I was able to find) that offers plastic media
blasting will not do aluminum bodied vehicles.

Frank

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series question/paint removal by layer

In a message dated 4/26/97 6:55:15 PM, Frank responded to the first bit:

 >"plastic media" paint removal; basically a type of
 >> sandblasting that uses various shape/density/impact speeds of plastic
grains
 >> instead of sand. ...
 >>Developed to take paint off fragile aircraft skins while leaving good
primer intact, etc.

 >I am surprised that it was developed for fragile aircraft skin.  The only
 >body shop in this area (that I was able to find) that offers plastic media
 >blasting will not do aluminum bodied vehicles.

I'm not surprised; the machine that does aircraft has a very precise
pressure/volume mixing chamber and delivery system and is very expensive.
That may explain it. Or perhaps a lack of experience with the material. Most
of the aluminum bodies they come across are probably Grumman Step Vans (just
paint over old logo), Range Rovers (don't want to experiment on $$$ vehicle)
or Audi A8's (don't want to experiment on $$$$$ vehicle).

pat
93  110

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:02:26 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Fairey Overdrive

Work is progressing, engine ready to go in. Doing other things that need 
doing. I figure now is the time to put the overdrive in and check what's 
wrong with the other one. Selector rod and some bearings? seem to 
missing. Anybody know where I can get parts for this? This engine job 
sure knows how to stretch it!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 21:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cat recipies/Jim Allen

Gee whiz, Jim...where are YOU, when people here start bashing Land Rovers,
simply because they're English?

Charles Irvin
British Airways/LAX
1962 SIIA 109 3dr diesel
1959 SII 88 petrol
"To Serve Man...it's a cookbook!"

P.S. How 'bout some people recipies instead?

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:22:59 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Tip of the day

snip
> I find that a quick shot of WD-40 is sufficient to take them down at
> which point heel and toeing can be employed to finish.
snip
BrakeKleene.
It'll knock down a wasp at 10 paces in about 1/2 second. Hornets take 
a second or so. And that's the end of them. No followup needed.
I've been using this for years. I saw a guy in a local farm supply 
store the other day looking at a can of wasp & hornet spray. I sent 
him over to the autoparts section.
The little tube helps direct it to just the right spot. Without 
the tube at about a two foot range I've taken out 3" diameter nests 
full of wasps from under tropical roof edges.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 22:23:49 -0500
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tip of the day

Hi Steve,
  I get rid of the nests of wasps & hornets anywhere with starting
fluid.  The stuff freezes them to death & if it is in an area which I
can safey do so I (confined space in a tube crane,etc) I add fire to
burn out the nest.  Starting fluid can make other pets(read wild
animals) very sleeply & easier to deal with.(including cats)  
-- 
Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 21:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)

Jeff Aaronson wrote:

Subject: Weber Carb Information

"Duncan,
I think I'm running the same single barrel Weber carb on my '66 II-A 2.25 gas
engine as the one you requested information about the other day.

Mine has two adjustments; an idle mixture screw that fits on the bulkhead side
of the carb, and an idle speed screw that sits near the throttle linkage and is
reached only by leaning over the valve cover and aiming a screwdriver at a 90
degree angle.

The mixture screw is turned clockwise (with your hand reaching around the rear
of the carb) until the engine is ready to stall, and then back off 1 1/2 to 2
turns until it runs smoothly. Then adjust the idle speed.

The Weber suffers from a couple of  weak points - a potential air leak where the
throttle shaft enters the carb body. If you get any air in their, you will lean
out the mixture and adjustments will be futile. A giveaway are plugs that have
white deposits on the electrodes, or an engine that diesels when you shut it
down.  Another test is to spray carb cleaner or WD-40 around the shaft on the
side of the carb body; if the engine speeds up, you have a leak. Make sure the
bolts holding the cab to the intake manifold are tight, too.

Also, the filters (at the bottom of the float bowl where the gas line enters the
carb), float bowl bottom, and jets and pinholes seem to clog up easily. I've
often removed all the screws and sprayed carb cleaner through a thin straw
through the all the orifices. It often makes it run smoother, particularly after
a bouncy off road run.

Lastly, remember no carb seem on if the valves are way out of adjustment, the
points are toast,  the timing is off, or the intake manifold is loose. 

Once I took care of a leak in the carb body,  my Weber has been fine for my car
in daily use."

I've been having a lot of problems with my carb also, Jeff.  I've gone from
the .165 to a .175 primary jet, which has helped a lot.  I installed in on a
new Turner rebuild 2.25 L, btw.  Tons more power than the old engine.  

Now, the dang thing is acting up again.  The engine surges and I've had a
lot of problems with backfiring, the outside of the carb, nearest the valve
cover, is now coated with a black carbon film.  I am going to try your carb
cleaner trick and see if that's the problem.  I must be having an air leak
somewhere.  The base is firmly bolted to the intake manifold, so it's not
that.  

Oh, also checked and readjusted the valves, they were o.k. the distributer
has an electronic ignition system installed, but the timing appears to be
o.k. also.

So I'll let you know what happens with the spray trick.  If that doesn't
work, I'll pull the dang thing apart again, reclean it and cut some new
gaskets for it.  

How did you seal your leak????

Dale
-----
    Dale Avery KC7MM 
    Ms Daisy '73 SIII

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 01:30:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Tip of the day

Brakleen is also very good against earwigs: my area has been INFESTED with
these guys for the last few years, and while I haven't been pinched by any
yet, they are kinda scary when you discover the Mini you just parted out, is
literally full of hundreds of them!

If you live in a hot climate, make sure your shoes don't have holes in them!

Charles Irvin
British Airways/LAX
1962 SIIA 109 3dr diesel
1959 SII 88 petrol

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