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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:15:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Subject: subject lines

Some complaints about non-discriptive subject lines were writ:

Tom Rowe, quoted in Alian-Jean's note, wrote:

>> really appreciate it if people would put in a decriptive subject

         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]

>> one's I'm not interested in.

  Ironic, isn't it?  ;-)

Alain-Jean PARES wrote:

>  While reading all the messages from everywhere, it seems it should

>  be a

>  little bit easier to read the EMails if in the subject line there
is

>  something like

>  [SER] then subject text for Series questions or info,

>  [DISCO] for Discovery...

And Adrian Redmond wrote:

>A good idea! With the advent of mail filters, those who don't want

>"DISCO" mail, could trash it automatically - I usually try to preface

>mine with SIII for the same reason - let's see if we can get this
thing

>to work eh?

Why not just get them filters working a little harder?  Filter out all
messages with the nasty words of your choice in <italic>the
body</italic>, whether they be disco, CD, and ECU, or series, pop
rivet, and 4-cylinder?  And for that matter, why not just direct those
nettiquettely disadvantaged messages right to the dust bin by filtering
on 'Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest'?

No matter how hard you try, people don't follow rules like these.  Look
at how poorly the division of the coil list from the leaf list is
going, for one.  And how many people have egregiously long .sigs, for
another.

-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===

  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:46:05 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: subject lines

No matter how hard you try, people don't follow rules like these.  Look
at how poorly the division of the coil list from the leaf list is
>going, for one.  And how many people have egregiously long .sigs, for
>another.
>-Bob

Bound to happen IMO.F'rinstance a specific diesel question may as
easily be answered by a Tdi driver as a 2.25 driver.V8 engines tend
to get slung into *everything*,and just because you drive,say,a S1
doesnt mean you arent interested in,<shudder>,a Freeby.Although I
grant you,its likely to be largely academic in that particular
instance:-)
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:43:08 +0200
From: Alain-Jean PARES <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: subject lines

> >> Alain-Jean PARES wrote:
> >> As someone who receives about 200 e-mail messages a day, I would
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> >> one's I'm not interested in.
>   Ironic, isn't it?  ;-)

> Why not just get them filters working a little harder?  Filter out all
> messages with the nasty words of your choice in <italic>the
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> nettiquettely disadvantaged messages right to the dust bin by filtering
> on 'Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest'?

I don't have a Disco, nor a Range Rover, I can't help people asking
about it, and can't to help people with Defenders, but even if I don't
have a Serie I or II, I'm interested in.

I'd like to say that we're very lucky to have a mailing list like this
one. Hopefully, having 3 email adresses, this one is hust for this
list...
> No matter how hard you try, people don't follow rules like these.  Look
> at how poorly the division of the coil list from the leaf list is
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> going, for one.  And how many people have egregiously long .sigs, for
> another.

Just have a look in some french newsgroups, even if french people are
not know for their easy listening about rules, it's very easy to find
subject your interested about.
Try fr.petites-annonces.immobilier for example. 
everybody put [CH] for searching [VDS] for selling [LOC] for rent.

Going to York(UK) until monday night, let's imagine how it will be
tuesday morning when I will launch Netscape...

Have a good Week-end.

Alain-Jean PARES
88 D Serie III RHD
Fontainebleau, FRANCE

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:12:11 -6
Subject: Re: subject lines

>> No matter how hard you try, people don't follow rules like these.  Look
snip
> Bound to happen IMO.F'rinstance a specific diesel question may as
> easily be answered by a Tdi driver as a 2.25 driver.V8 engines tend
snip

I see that as a bit different. Yes, I'll read all the diesel posts, 
it's a topic I'm interested in. But if it's a diesel post with the 
subject RROdigest (or whatever) how do I know what it's about. I 
already block delete messages with "...digest" as the subject. 
Perhaps I miss some things, but on the other hand maybe the poster is 
asking a question only I could answer (yeah, right). Because they 
didn't take the time to make a reasonable subject they won't get the 
benefit of my (half)vast knowledge.
In any case, I wasn't suggesting a *rule*, we all know how those go. 
I was hoping to point it out to those who may not have thought of it.
Hell, *I* make netiquette mistakes all the time.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:55:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Subject line discussion/long-ish but pertinent.

Hello all, I've been following *this* thread and have to agree that something
ought to be done about the major points being raised; blurring of the
lro/cso-rro lists, long .sigs, and re:LRODigest subj lines.

We are all in this together and must effect changes as individuals to make it
easier on all and ourselves. As someone mentioned recently, TDI questions may
be answered by a 2.25 owner as easily as somone on the cso-rro list, as shown
by D-owners (D as in Defender, not Disco) being here on lro (like myself),
and only here (not on the coiler list as well). 

By far the easiest solution to help those on many lists who filter their mail
would probably be to monitor the Subject line when you hit *Reply* and update
it as needed; as in keeping it to the current reply's topic, not the original
one which may have been drifted away from long ago.

On the pfans list (porsche), they have a separate list (apart from
911/356/etc and subscribable the same way) called *tavern* where off-topic
threads are taken to be continued. That would have been where that "which
tractor is most like a land-rover or vice versa" thread would have gone had
we had a similar common list for non-lr threads.

As for being a coiler amidst the leaves, I feel this is the proper list for
D-owners (at least this one) to reside on. I certainly don't feel overwhelmed
by disco posts or whatever and realize that some RR/Disco owners own series
vehicles as well (Sandy, Alex Maiolo,...) and I know that they certainly know
where to post what.

How much \()___()/'---()__() ascii art should be used to draw a picture of
the CJ-7 of your dreams? (Well, at least that's what it looks like on my
screen;-) ) I'm still trying to figure out how to depict my center diff being
locked using ascii art. So far it takes up 26 lines. When it is refined I'll
add it to my: "pat/93  110" sign off...

Also, be aware of the lro-digester's eating habits, if you quote
*everything*, all we see is the LRO header and your good-bye signature; like:

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>The following is really important to the procedure:

         [ truncated by lro-lite (was close to 6,859 lines, but you'll never
know...)]
>so, as you can see, it worked.
>Good Luck, enjoy the ascii art.

         [ truncated by lro-lite (was merely 8 lines)]
>PicassoRover@don'tfrgt2.yreyes

Ok, time to end this before *this* posting gets out of hand. I have a feeling
it will all resolve itself.

pat
93  110.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: subject lines

In a message from Bob dated 4/25/97 9:49:06 AM, I copied this:

>Adrian Redmond wrote:
>>A good idea! With the advent of mail filters, those who don't want
>>"DISCO" mail, could trash it automatically - I usually try to preface
>>mine with SIII for the same reason

Shouldn't *most* (but granted, not all) of that aforementioned "DISCO" mail
have the To: address read: rro@Land-Rover.Team.Net, as opposed to: lro@... ?
I even think that I should sometimes send some of my postings to rro, but
just don't want to add that mail volume to my mailbox for a few responses.

We just need to stick to appropriate Subj.: lines, right?

pat
93  110
on the lro, 914 and rit.photo lists at the moment...

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:38:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Series help for Def. owners

not *Deaf* owners ;-)

In a message dated 4/25/97 12:15:57 PM, Alain wrote:

>I don't have a Disco, nor a Range Rover, I can't help people asking
>about it, and can't to help people with Defenders, but even if I don't
>have a Serie I or II, I'm interested in.

You'd be surprised how many Non-Defender-0wning series owners are the source
of answers relating to Defenders, and it works both ways. It is too bad LR
didn't produce more Stage 1s to cement the tie between the S's, the 90/110
and now the Defender. 

BTW, does anyone know what Defenders are supposed to be "Defending"? I'm
curious as to lro list's opinion of that name.

pat
93  110
"Defending the world. Holding down the fart. Uhhh, the fort."

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:49:06 -0400
Subject: What are Defenders Defending?

>BTW, does anyone know what Defenders are supposed to be "Defending"? I'm
>curious as to lro list's opinion of that name.
>pat

Defenders? Aren't those the adult bladder-control things they sell...?

Oh, sorry, I meant Depends...8*)

Honestly, I think the Defender name is simply marketingspeak. They had
named the Rangie and the Disco, so they went back and retroactively named
the REAL Land-Rover something dumb..... when Series 4  or 5 would have done
quite nicely.

Witness the fact that they are retroactively trying to call all the landies
Defenders, even though the name dats to '90 or thereabouts.

aj"I drive a '64 IIa - NOT a damned Defender, thank'ee..."r

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:59:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Oil Pressure Gauge & Lucas "Treasure Trove"

Smiths/jaeger elec. oil pressure gauges and senders are notoriously prone to
failure or low readings. A cheap setup I used on my old SIIA, and repeatd on
my 84 RR, was to use the mech. gauge and copper line taken from a rubber
bumper MGB that I had broke up for parts. The bezel ring of the MGB gauge had
a silver finish on part of it, so I simply removed it and repainted it satin
black. Its the same size as the stock gauge and will fit into the same hole,
use the same lighting etc. The thread size on the fittings on the coper
supply pipe are the same as the sending and as I recollect, is long enough
too. This was discused last year as I recollect. Try searching the list
archives.
Old MGBs are a good "treasure trove" source for other Lucas bits: gauge
voltage stabilizers, fuse boxes and 35 A fuses, wiper motors, racks and
wheelboxes on late SIIA and III, backup lights, brake light switch,
 instrument lights and bulbs, tachometers if you're inclined to make your own
housing, C-40 generators, spare Lucar connectors and so on. As I recollect
the SIIA starter is the same as XKE or Austin Healy 3000, which are sometimes
easier to find (ex. I got a used Healy starter for $75). So search out that
local junk yard and dive in. Cheers. Andy Blackley
PS You will noe that I didn't mention alternators. These are also available
in the bone yard, but I'd go for a Delco 60 amp instead, unless your
restoring for show.

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:20:51 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Progress Report

karlsson wrote: The restoration of my 1966 Series IIa 88" was well
underway last July, when I received the rebuilt engine I ordered from K
Motors in England. Unfortunately, the project was interrupted by a
series of family health crises,  coupled with my becoming a member of
the Board of Directors of the Portuguese Water Dog Club of America.
Life does keep one busy.

.. Congratulations, nice to hear that you got the beast started, good
luck with the rest of the job. I'm sorry that i cannot help with your
distributor problem, but I couldn't resist writing to ask... what is a
Portugese Water Dog? (were they only installed on the IIA?)  or did it
say "Portugese Water bed"? :-) no seriously - I have never heard of such
a creature!

--
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:29:14 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cooking

Regarding requests for cat recipes...

Take one freshly killed cat (whole preferred).

Make a dough of fresh clay, and wrap the clay around the cat, so that
the cat is completly covered.

Form the clay bundle so as to fit securely to the manifold of the Land
Rover.

Drive for 4½ hours at 4250 r.p.m. (3800 r.p.m petrol)

Crack the clay away from the manifold, delicate cracking of the clay
will part the fur and claws from the meat. Dress with red wine sauce or
pepper sauce to taste.

P.S. This recipe works equally well with hedgehogs.

--
Adrian Redmond

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mobile NMT       +45 30 86 75 66
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Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:36:08 +0100
From: The Big Guy <guru@manhole.ow.nl>
Subject: Genuine NOS SIII bulkheads 900.00$us

Hi all,

Not to get too comercial here but I just came across 7 NOS series III 
bulkheads (Land Rover genuine parts) for 900.00$us each. This price is 
FOB NC Ohio. Terms 1/2 now 1/2 on delivery. E-mail for more details and 
other parts availability. If you are interested please contact me soon as 
we will be moving to the US in June and need to get everything around.

Cheers
Todd

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Date: 	Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:15:58 -1000
From: Wayne R Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Timing chain tensioner ???

Aloha again,

I called Rovers North regarding replacing my timing chain, and they
recommended their upgrade kit which replaces the tensioner/idler wheel
with a spring loaded pad. Is this truly and upgrade? It seems like the pad
would wear out faster than the idler wheel. Also my camshaft and
crankshaft gears look OK but they recommended replacing them (it all comes
in the upgrade kit). Is this neccessary and recommended, or am I replacing
gears that will last for another 100,000 miles?

Any advice would be truly appreciated...

Mahalo,

Wayne Haight
1970 Series IIA SWB (Kololohi)

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Date: 	Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:15:58 -1000
From: Wayne R Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Timing chain tensioner ???

Aloha again,

I called Rovers North regarding replacing my timing chain, and they
recommended their upgrade kit which replaces the tensioner/idler wheel
with a spring loaded pad. Is this truly and upgrade? It seems like the pad
would wear out faster than the idler wheel. Also my camshaft and
crankshaft gears look OK but they recommended replacing them (it all comes
in the upgrade kit). Is this neccessary and recommended, or am I replacing
gears that will last for another 100,000 miles?

Any advice would be truly appreciated...

Mahalo,

Wayne Haight
1970 Series IIA SWB (Kololohi)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:28:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner ???

Speaking as one who just went through
 this process for the second time,
shoot the works.

I put in a chain and tensioner wheel, along with
the buffer pad, about 6 months ago.

I just did it again this week, when the crankshaft
timing chain wheel cracked and added 20 degrees
 of slop to my engine, along with damaging the
 cylinder of my tensioner.

This time I shot it all, including the cam chainwheel.
 I don't want to do this again.

The engine's taken on completely new characteristics
than before. it's smoother, quieter and is giving me better
 gas mileage.

Do yourself a favor - just go for it.

                    ajr

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:12:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Timing Chains/ Gears etc

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca> wrote:
 Where are all the vehicles that LRNA sells?

In my backyard...Land Rover Darien (CT) is one of the largest sellers of 
vehicles.  I also was in Florida recently, one D90 in Key West and that's all I 
can remember.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"

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Date: 25 Apr 97 19:39:09 EDT
From: "Jeffrey B. Aronson" <76255.2146@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Weber Carb Information

Duncan,
I think I'm running the same single barrel Weber carb on my '66 II-A 2.25 gas
engine as the one you requested information about the other day.

Mine has two adjustments; an idle mixture screw that fits on the bulkhead side
of the carb, and an idle speed screw that sits near the throttle linkage and is
reached only by leaning over the valve cover and aiming a screwdriver at a 90
degree angle.

The mixture screw is turned clockwise (with your hand reaching around the rear
of the carb) until the engine is ready to stall, and then back off 1 1/2 to 2
turns until it runs smoothly. Then adjust the idle speed.

The Weber suffers from a couple of  weak points - a potential air leak where the
throttle shaft enters the carb body. If you get any air in their, you will lean
out the mixture and adjustments will be futile. A giveaway are plugs that have
white deposits on the electrodes, or an engine that diesels when you shut it
down.  Another test is to spray carb cleaner or WD-40 around the shaft on the
side of the carb body; if the engine speeds up, you have a leak. Make sure the
bolts holding the cab to the intake manifold are tight, too.

Also, the filters (at the bottom of the float bowl where the gas line enters the
carb), float bowl bottom, and jets and pinholes seem to clog up easily. I've
often removed all the screws and sprayed carb cleaner through a thin straw
through the all the orifices. It often makes it run smoother, particularly after
a bouncy off road run.

Lastly, remember no carb seem on if the valves are way out of adjustment, the
points are toast,  the timing is off, or the intake manifold is loose. 

Once I took care of a leak in the carb body,  my Weber has been fine for my car
in daily use.

Jeff Aronson
Vinalhaven Island, ME
'66 II-A 88" SW - the QE I
'78 Spitfire        - the QE IV

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Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:58:58 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Diesel questions....

Hi all,
I've been fiddling and fixing for a few weeks, working on my rolling
restoration (if that's what you can call it).
After fitting a complete new dual circuit brake system to replace my
rotten ser IIa oil squirter, I managed to get it through the MOT!
   The same day I decided to remove the cylinder head to find out what
the source of an extremely loud rattling sound could be. I expected to
find a some marbles lost by the po's son, but to my horror it was
lacking an important piece of copper between cyl. 1 and 2 ! Also there
was a crevasse-like crack in the cylender head. After drinker a couple
of dutch (grolsh) beers, and I stuffed a new gasket in , and lo and
behold, the top speed suddenly exceded 35 mph!

However this is not really a long term solution, and I've actually aways
wanted an oil burner, so I went shopping.
I found a chap who has a 2.5 n/a diesel for sale, for $1000. He has 
driven 40,000 km with it before converting it to a turbo, and forgetting
to upgrade the pistons! So one piston has a slight crack in it, (I've
seen it), but the cylinders look perfect.
Would anybody like to enlighten me on the terrors of installing a 2.5
diesel in a 109 ser IIa ? The worklist I've put together goes something
like this:
1.Convert petrol tanks, (return line fuel filter).
2.Change ser II belhousing to ser III to make clutch system compatible.
3.Maybe weld a new engine mounting on right front chassis, as I think
they are differant for 2.25 and 2.5 ?????

This will be about the biggest L-R project I've ever undertaken, and as
I don't have any workspace of my own, I'll need to organise everything
well in advance and get all appointments correct.

Any hints or tips are welcome, as well as comments on whether the whole
conversion is an absurdly stupid move or not...

Floris Houniet

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: USA FREELANDER Sighting!!!!!!

I`M NOT ONE TO GOSSIP, SO YOU DIDN`T HEAR IT FROM ME.   WINK-WINK ;^)
RGDS, Rick

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Diesel questions....

Floris...

PLEASE - make sure you clean the existing fuel tanks, should you continue to
use them. Gasoline has a much lower flashpoint than diesel fuel does, and
you're going from a gasoline-powered engine with compression of about 8:1, to
a diesel, with compression of about 23:1, and should you happen (The Man
upstairs forbidding) to inject enough gas residue into a
cylinder...well...ever see a Top Fuel dragster's engine explode? (you get the
picture)

The neighbors may never forgive you - though their kids would think it's
kinda cool to watch.

Charles Irvin
British Airways/LAX
1962 SIIA 109 3dr Diesel
1959 SII 88 Petrol

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Subject: Re: The New Land Rover
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 11:23:09 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Hello British (UK) list readers, I have a few questions about the Land Rover
>Freeloader/Highlander/CB channel 40 or whatever they call the new one...
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Is it out yet? Have they displayed it in public?
>Are they advertising it? As what?

It's not out until early 1998 - it should be launched at on of the autumn 
motor shows in Europe, probably Frankfurt.

from photos and spec drawings printed in various UK motoring press 
reports it has the same 100inch wheelbase as the Discovery but is 4'' 
shorter overall and about 8'' lower. It is reported as being considerably 
smaller inside though and has four separate seats - no bench seat in the 
back. prices will start at 15,000UK for the three door 'sporty' soft-top 
up to 19-21,000UK for the five door.

Few people have had a good look at it yet - no matter what they say, most 
have only seen photos. I guess they'll all have to wait a bit longer.

Simon W-H
'85 110 V8

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Subject: Re: What are Defenders Defending?
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 97 11:37:03 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Honestly, I think the Defender name is simply marketingspeak. They had
>named the Rangie and the Disco, so they went back and retroactively named
>the REAL Land-Rover something dumb..... when Series 4  or 5 would have done
>quite nicely.

I think 'Defender' was 'loosley' linked to the fact that during the 
'glory days' of the empire - sorry Commonwealth - we thought we were 
'Defenders' of the faith and 'Defenders' of the realm, and the fact that 
all the countries in the Commonwealth only traded with Britain and so 
could only get Landrovers for utility vehicles. At least that is what 
some advertising/marketing type once told me.

Simon W-H
'85 110 V8

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