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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:39:33 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 92 mph Series II?

At 13:09 15/04/97 -0400, you wrote:

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

 I have a Series II 1960...I have fitted an overdrive... All very >well...
It is reasonably efficient 17mpg and VERY fast... 92mph  >(original engine)
>92 mph in a Series II??? Original Engine??? Don't tell me its a diesel.
>Is this a typo? 

Rover On,
David L Glaser         '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6 (MayaTruk)
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu   '94 Discovery, Teal
>92 mph in a Series II??? Original Engine??? Don't tell me its a diesel.
>Is this a typo? 

No typing error:

Speed is based on the original (32500mile ORIGINAL) 2 1/4 petrol engine with
raised compression to 9.5:1, 1 1/4 S.U. Carb + 
K & N air filter,  Electric engine fan, F.W.H.s and a gentle hill (Not a 1 in 1)

Speed was assessed using a Volvo chase vehicle with speedo accurate to the
normal 10%

Regards

        James Curtis,  (Newcastle UK)

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:13:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Sill Trim

In a message dated 97-04-15 17:51:41 EDT, you write:

<< << So, I've heard rumors that the sill trim was delivered to your house. 
  Was it?
   >>
 A vicious rumor, I assure you ; ).  Last time I checked, the trim was in
 Cach, IL (wherever THAT is).  I called OOPS yesterday about it and they said
 that if it wasn't delivered by Thursday, call back.  To be fair, they have
 been very cooperative about all this, still, I wonder if it's any way to run
 a railroad...
 
 BTW, did you get your halfshafts changed?
  >>

Hi all,

Sorry about that, this wasn't supposed to go to the general list.
Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:16:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hella Headlights

In a message dated 4/15/97 8:40:26 PM, Sandy wrote:

>I titted them in the 88" to replace the *original* Lucas 
>lamps which only served to warn oncoming traffic that a vehicle was actually

>on the road.  I was amazed at what I could see....

I'm also amazed at what I can see when I *titted* my 110...

thanks for the tiP,

pat
93  110

BTW, I hve no idea when the Mid-Atlantic is, I know you told me it was a
weekend earlier this year, but I can't remember which weekend it was last
year...  ?.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 92 mph Series II?

In a message dated 4/16/97 7:45:19 AM, you wrote:

>Speed was assessed using a Volvo chase vehicle with speedo accurate to the
>normal 10%
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Regards
>        James Curtis,  (Newcastle UK)

Now there's an oxymoron: "Volvo chase vehicle" ; funny how it appears in a
Speedy Series posting :-)

pat.
93 110

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Its done!
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 13:33:08 BST

Well, the 'box went in at the weekend, I moved 10m on Sunday, but did about 15
miles lastnight.
First worry was anasty juddering, but it looks like I mal-adjusted the 
handbrake.
Also the speedo is intermittent. "Appears" to work better when it does
(really need a motorway journey to see for sure), but has had a couple of
dead episodes in the past 24 hrs. I tihnk this is because its not fastened
properly at the 'box end. Hints at how to get those screws in would be welcome
- esp that one...   :-)
Exhaust/manifold blows a little, but I stripped the thread on one of the studs.
Its livable for now - ie. get it fixed with the MoT like last time, in a 
month's time.
With hindsight I should have replaced the 1st/2nd synchro, but it works, so
I'm not too bothered. Also a couple of minor leaks.
Makes a heck of noise on overspeed going from 4th to 3rd - could be my lax
driving style, or needs to settle down?

Thanks for the help and suggestions,

Cheers,

Richard

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 8:46:59 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Tip

Make a quick, handy funnel by cutting an oil container in half. I still 
have one I made several months ago.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:42:28 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Help!!!!! 2 1/4 petrol engine

Sleeves.

> What do you do with a motor that needs an over-haul because of worn/damaged
> cylinders but has allready had .060'' over pistons installed?
snip

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:02:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Help!!!!! 2 1/4 petrol engine

In a message dated 97-04-16 09:54:23 EDT, you write:

 > What do you do with a motor that needs an over-haul because of
worn/damaged
 > cylinders but has allready had .060'' over pistons installed?
 snip >>

This brings up another point, my machine shop is boring out the cylinders
.030" over, but they said they'd be uncomfortable going higher, and if it
needed more would prefer resleeving it.  How far over can these engines be
bored, I know RN carries pistons and rings to .040" over.

Nate

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 10:42:58 EST
Subject: window size

Once again...
Can somebody PLEASE measure the size of the side windows on an 88" full 
soft top and where in the side they are located. 

thanks

DaveB.

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 10:49:26 EST
Subject: grand Opening LR Centre in VA

need rsvp's on this, guys...
event starts at 9 am for sure, try to get there early so we can get good 
positioning.
DaveB

>this just in from the new Land Rover Centre in Alexandria...

                    The Don Beyer Automotive Group
                      invites you to join us for 
                    a grand opening day of adventure
                 at our exciting new Land Rover Centre
                     <<insert rhino clip art here>>
                            2712 Duke Street
                         Telegraph Road and 495
                              Alexandria
                            703/ 370 6565
                Understand the legacy that is Land Rover!
                           <<rhino again>>
   Take a ride on our amazing off road on site demonstration course!
                 Can you handle the angle and the grade?
          Let Land Rover take you on the great stone mountain!
                           <<small rhino>>
            See the 1996 Camel trophy vehicle fresh from
     the jungles and mountains of the Indonesian island of Borneo!
                           <<small rhino>>
           Don't miss the sounds of the rain forest, the beat
                  of the jungle or the rhino raffles!
                    Range Rover 4.0 SE and 4.6 HSE
              Performance oriented, luxury, and prestige
                           <<small rhino>>
                 Land Rover Discovery SD, SE, and SE7
                   Spacious go-anywhere capability
                           <<small rhino>>
                             Defender 90
                          Rugged and sporty
                           <<large rhino>>
                 Combining craftsmanship with heritage
              the sport utility vehicles that stand alone

Anyone can go, but they have called me and want me to round up some series 
vehicles for the event. This is a great opportunity to show off our 
vehicles, as well as bolster the relationship with the dealer, and increase 
"Series Awareness" among the uninitiated coil sprung newbie types...

The date is Saturday April 19th, I believe it starts at 9 am. 
Be there!!!
The more vehicles, the better, especially the unique ones (Qunitin?) 
Email for directions

dbobeck@ushmm.org

See ya there!
Dave B.
Arlington VA

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:16:01 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: grand Opening LR Centre in VA

> need rsvp's on this, guys...
> event starts at 9 am for sure, try to get there early so we can get good
> positioning.
> DaveB

I'm planning to attend the Grand Opening of LR Alexandria Virginia.  Who
else is going?  It starts at 9 ends at 5.  What time is everyone
planning on showing up?

Rover On, 
David L Glaser        '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6 (MayaTruk)
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu  '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:15:01 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: re:Converting to neg ground

Nick F sez:

>3) swap the ammeter leads, and in my case, I will be adding a shunt resistor
>to the meter because I expect the alternator to generate about twice the
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
>now), I will post it here. Without a shunt resistor, the ammeter will
>probably be pegged at the top end a lot, and I suppose might even be damaged.

Measure the ammeter resistance. This is the exact resistance you require for
a shunt. (R||R = R/2, V = I*R, same V for 2*I implies using R/2)

But this will probably be some funny value like 0.02134 ohms. Get a spare
(buggered) ammeter and rip the shunt from there.

W

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:24:56 +1000 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Re: Tips...yesterday's & today's

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

>  Oh come on, you own a Land Rover, and you're worried about a little
>  gasoline/diesel smell?  8^)
>  I like to think of it as Chanel No. (87, 89 or 93 depending) for men

My friends refer to 90wt as 'eau de Landrover'.

Dean
=============================================================================
Dean Cording                                   ASPECT Computing P/L
                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
Dean@holly.aspect.com.au    (Private)          ACN. 005 083 670

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Waxoyling
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 16:53:41 BST

Whilst the 'box was out, I slapped some waxoyl on the available chassis in
that area.

I've decided a job for the summer, is doing the whole chassis,etc. With the
rear cross-member a bit earlier (this isn't original, and hasn't had the
mil-sealant treatment. Hammerite or summat like that instead...)
Any hints,tips, words of advice that I should know about?

How do I get at the chassis/etc in the engine compartment without slarting
the waxoyl all over the engine, ancillaries, wires, piping,etc?

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - 15 miles on the trip counter!)

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:16:48 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Mystery vibration.
	[ Original post was HTML ]

<HTML><BODY>
Christian Lester. wrote:&nbsp;

<BR>New ! Improved ! <A HREF="http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/">http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/</A>
<BR>
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<BR>Christian.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
&nbsp;I once had this prenomenum - checked the tranny and suspension, checked
motor, gearboc mountings, checked everything - didn't help. Drove 20 miles
to my mechanic to get him to take it for a test drive...
<BR>
<BR>&quot;Funny noise that&quot; he said &quot;sounds just like the starting
handle vibrating behind the seat&quot; he added as if he'd heard that noise
before.
<BR>
<BR>I looked.... it was.... Tail between legs I said thanks and was grateful
that he didn't write me a bill for those words of wisdom.
<BR>
<BR>Couldn't be a loose lying starting handle by any chance?
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<BR>CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Adrian
Redmond)&nbsp;
<BR>Foerlevvej 6&nbsp; Mesing&nbsp; DK-8660&nbsp; Skanderborg&nbsp; Denmark&nbsp;
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<BR>HoTMaiL (www.e-mail) channel6denmark@hotmail.com&nbsp;
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:23:00 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Its done!

Richard Marsden wrote:
> snip
> Also the speedo is intermittent. "Appears" to work better when it does
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> properly at the 'box end. Hints at how to get those screws in would be welcome
> - esp that one...   :-)

Was the speedo a problem before?  I had similar symptoms with a speedo which
were solved by flushing most of the "almost solid grease" out of the back of
the unit with some degreaser (TCE) and working new lubricant into the mechanism.
The speedo is not functioning perfectly with NO waver.

In other words it might be a function of the internal lubrication of the unit
rather than the cable.  

I've heard that a kinked cable can produce similar symptoms.

And finally, you might want to check, in addition to the attachment of the
outer sheathing, that the internal cable is extended appropriately.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:27:09 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Ad sighting

MCI has a commercial running that shows a bunch of kids about to be caught
in a big storm.  They all climb into a phone booth and call Mom.  The call
goes to her office, then her celphone, then her pager.  Mom gets the page,
and braves the storm to rescue our exhuberant heroes.  The vehicle that can
withstand both kids and storm?  A disco.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:16:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: hstin@cts.com (The Brothers Stinson)
Subject: 2.25 Diesel

Hello
        I am looking into the purchase of a Land Rover and have found an
interesting one with a 2.25 Diesel unit.  My experiences with Diesel power
is limited to farm tractors and so I would be interested in hearing any
accounts of life with a Diesel Land Rover.  I have heard they are slow, but,
not the beasts they are often made out to be.  Is there anything in
particular one should look into when testing a prospective purchase?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.  Later...

                                                                Hank

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 13:53:42 EST
Subject: Re: Waxoyling

>How do I get at the chassis/etc in the engine compartment without slarting 
>the waxoyl all over the engine, ancillaries, wires, piping,etc?

This area should be sufficiently oiled already. If it isn't better check 
your dipstick!!!
Actually you do want to waxoyl those brake pipes, but the wiring could 
probably be pushed out of the way.
Is waxoyl flammable? What happens when one attempts to weld or cut where 
waxoyl is/has been.

later 
daveB.

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 13:50:37 EST
Subject: Re: 2.25 Diesel

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Hello
        I am looking into the purchase of a Land Rover and have found an
interesting one with a 2.25 Diesel unit.  My experiences with Diesel power 
is limited to farm tractors 

Umm, so what else do you need to know?

Later
DaveB.

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Waxoyling

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 dbobeck@ushmm.org wrote:

> Is waxoyl flammable? What happens when one attempts to weld or cut where 
> waxoyl is/has been.

	Famous quote from anonymous LR owner (on this list)

	"My greatest disapointment as a child was the discovery that
	petroleum jelly was not flammable"

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:13:54 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Diesel

In many ways the diesel is a superior choice. Maintenance and operating 
costs are lower, but the power is a bit less and it makes a bit more 
noise. If you are already familiar with diesel operation, I don't have to 
give you a sales job. You will find the Rover unit a strong and stable 
powerplant. They aren't much slower than a petrol LR, and if equipped 
with an overdrive, will cruise the highway quite easily at 65 mph.
Many consider a diesel to be worth a bit more at resale time, as they are 
more reliable off-road. If you install a snorkel, you can drive it in 
water up to the windshield. 
I love mine!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:34:13 -6
Subject: Re: 2.25 Diesel

First I want to say I've always preferred diesel over petrol, but...

> In many ways the diesel is a superior choice. Maintenance and operating 
> costs are lower, 
Operating costs yes, but for maintenance
I'm not sure this is a valid statement. True, yearly mantenance is 
less, you don't need ignition tuneup parts. But have you ever gotten 
an injection pump and injectors rebuilt? It's not uncommon for it to 
cost a grand or more. The least I've ever gotten away with was about 
$600 I think. 
Granted you don't need to do that every 3000 miles, but that cost 
will buy a lot of tune up parts. Of course the need for that (and it's ultimate 
cost) can be *greatly* reduced by installing *and maintaining* an 
excellant fuel filter/water seperator, such as Racor. I recommend a 
water level alarm to prevent the chance of water in your injection 
pump if you happen to get some bad fuel. Water will wipe out a pump 
quicker than you can imagine.
As for the rest of Bill's comments, I second them.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:33:50 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Jobs to be done at L-R

This was on LRO yesterday:

>In reality, the chairman and chief executive of Rover Group
>(Rover, Land Rover, MG and Mini) has three jobs to do
>           between now and 2000: supervise and structure BMW's massive
>investment; improve productivity; and, finally, deliver
>           some world-class cars.

I also got my new LROi yesterday. There is a small article on page 13:
Spotlight on Solihull quality

"A national Canadian survey on car quality, by the country's dealers, has 
put Land Rover at the bottom of the list.
Out of a possible score of 20 points for the ultimate in excellence, the 
Solihull product - renowned for its toughness - scored a lowly 0.83 of a point!
<snip>
In comparison, Jeep scored a respectable 10.18 points, finishing 19th 
overall (out of 26)."

So I guess Job Number One would be improving quality of what they have.

Does anyone know how the Japanese fared in the test?

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:58:05 -0700
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Sighting (In the Movies)

Spotted a black Range Rover Limo in the movie "Strip Tease" with Demi 
Moore.  The wife brought the movie home so I was obliged to watch it 
instead of working on "Pig". Had to pretend the Rangie was the only 
interesting highlight of the movie. ;-)  Wink wink, say no more. Needless 
to say, I never went back out to the garage that night. Now I'm looking 
for other "similar" fliks with Rover content!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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From: "acotton" <acotton@jhb.lia.net>
Subject: ENV oil seals
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:03:32 +0200

Howdee folks

Does anyone know where I can get hold of pinion oil seals for an ENV axel?.
I am unable to obtain these seals in South Africa, rumour has it that they
are available in Australia?

SII 88" 2.25 petrol
SII 109" extra long, 2.5 TD
Alan Cotton
Johannesburg, South Africa

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Winches and Blarney

From: James Curtis  wote :-
Subject: Winch / PTO / Overdrive

>I have a Series II 1960 with a "Mayflower" winch attached.  It is a PTO drum
winch operating off the rear PTO.
 This is now known as the Fairey Winch
>  In order to be able to afford to move my
lovely beastie more than 1 mile away from my home I have fitted an
overdrive... All very well... It is reasonably efficient 17mpg and VERY
fast... 92mph  (original engine)BUT...

 Surely you must mean 92 KILOMETRES per hour.
 92 mph at 16.5 miles per hour ( assuminmg 7.50 x 6 tyres ) in top gear
times 25% for the overdrive = 20.75 miles per hour per thousand revs in top
gear overdrive.
  This then equates to 4500 rpm to achieve 90 plus miles per hour in an
aerodynamic brick.  The original 2 1/4 engine should be carefully researched
since it musrt be developing well in excess of 100 horse power at the wheels
to achieve this remarkable feat. Better still calibrate the speedometer.
 
 >.  I do a fair bit of work on boats so a working winch
would be useful...  Is it possible to run it off the front of the crank
shaft or even convert to electric...

> I am looking for the immaginative "weld it yourself" option rather than a
list of suppliers of parts to do the job "bolt on and go" fashion.

 An hydraulic conversion is a possibilty, it is easier t find an alternative
drive source for the pump. Yuo could even manufacture a pto for the
overdrive. The early ones had a toothed wheel inside the rear end cover
which could be used to drive a pto or pump.

Regards    Bill Leacok ( I  too have kissed the Blarney Stone ) Limey in exile.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:48:17 +0100
From: jon collins <jonathan.collins@virgin.net>
Subject: Clip art Landy

I am preparing a leaflett for a Landrover meating in Kent (England), I 
want to include a picture but  dont have a scanner. If anybody has a 
black and white Landrover picture, or knows where I can get one please 
E-mail me at 
jonathan.collins@virgin.net
or reply through the forum.
Cheers
Jon Collins

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From: Joe Ankeny <jankeny@express-hr.com>
Subject: cryogenics, not just for Walt Disney anymore!
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:36:54 -0500

There is at least one company out there that specializes in
cryogenically freezing items and then thawing them out again. The theory
is that by slowly lowering the temperature to that (or near that) of
liquid nitrogen you effectively regorganize molecule spacing. Supposedly
the distances between individual molecules becomes more uniform, with
major strength improvements. Different metals respond differently, but
even the metal (probably Murray bicycle steel) which showed the least
amount of change was over 100% stronger. (on the rating list I saw) I
realize the strength of metals can be sub-categorized tensile, ductile
etc but I'm not any kind of metalurgist so I can't even pretend to know
what I'm talking about in any detail. 
Numerous mechanical parts of all kinds have been frozen. Entire
motorcycle engines were stuck in the freezer in the segment I witnessed.
Musical instruments and plastic sporting goods also are
candidates...everyone seems to rave about fantastic improvement in the
life span of their possesions. (think Land Rover axle shafts)...
I was wondering if anyone had ever heard of this...sounds almost too
good to be true. The possibilities are limitless. Or is this just an
urban myth like old Walt Disney?

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Travelling in Namibia by LR

Would anyone who has done any travelling in Namibia please send me thier
thoughts on the subject, what they saw/where, and their likes/dislikes
(safety, availability of fuel for Landie, etc.)

I am being given the chance to drive a LR for 21 days in Namibia by some tour
organization. It's kinda like winning a prize trip to a place like Bosnia;
sure its winning a free trip, but is it really *winning*? I plan on being in
Namibia May 20-June 12ish. 

So far the itinerary looks like an extended animal-viewing safari through
some Nat. Parks, Private Reserves and up the coast. I did that in South
Africa for 10 days using a VW Combi/Volksiebus (Vanagon). I'm looking to seek
out more of a bush experience and perhaps do a photo-essay on indiginous
peoples, more than animal portraits, which won't do my book any good at this
point. 

Need opinions and views from some locals, or South African list members, down
that-a-way before I decide in the next few days.

Please e-mail: spyders@aol.com

thanks very much,

pat.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Converting to Negative Ground
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:57:00 +1000

I have a fairly good article that was published in Practical
Classics on converting.  If anyone wants it, I could scan and
OCR it.  Alternatively, send me your fax no. and I'll fax it.

Ditto on converting to an alternator.  It's dead easy - electrically.
The hardest bit is gettin or making the brackets.

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see
http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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From: "Justin Schooneman" <justin@medillus.medrmh.unimelb.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:06:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Clip art Landy

Jon,

CorelDraw7 has an excellent B&W LR Discovery picture as clip art. Do 
you have access to Corel ?. If not I can export it as a tiff file or 
windows metafile and send it to you directly as an attachment. 
Contact me at :
justin@medillus.medrmh.unimelb.edu.au

Cheers

Justin Schooneman
'96 V8 Discovery

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From: "Brian Willoughby" <lndrvr@ldd.net>
Subject: Re:  LPG conversions
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:03:34 -0500

For what it's worth, LPG was a rather popular fuel option for agricultural
tractors during the late 1950's until the mid-1960's here in the U.S.   It
came onto the scene at about the same time a diesel was becoming more
commonplace and diesel eventually displaced it as the fuel of choice for
tractors.  The same thing happened in the 1930's when gasoline took over
from kerosene (parafin).  The few LPGs I've been around are quiet and
smooth and rather clean running for a tractor.  I've seen conversions (both
from the factory and other performed locally) on Ford 800s, Farmall 660s,
John Deere 720s, 820s, 730s and 830s.  Other makes (Oliver and Minneapolis
Moline, to name a few) offered LPG models as well, though those weren't too
common in these parts even in gas or diesel form and therefore, I've not
seen an example of one of these.  If you can find an LPG tractor, it might
give you some ideas about what's involved in the conversion process if you
can compare it to the same model in gas/diesel form.  Just my two cents
worth.

Brian 

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:14:51 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Re: Winch/PTO/Overdrive

James Curtis wrote:

>why not go hydraulic?

Why not, indeed.  Talked to the folks at Mile Marker the other day and they 
are coming out with a new *two speed* winch.  One that will wind it in at 36 
FPM at in high gear, 2-6 FPM in low box.

I've been wanting to fit the Discovery with a hydraulic winch with the PTO 
fitted to the T-box.  Mile Marker says you need a pump that'll put out 4 
gal. per min at 1,500 psi.  Northern Hydraulics has a dozen pumps under $150 
that meet those specs.  But I have been unable to source a PTO for the 
R-380. Another source at LRNA says it *should* work, but couldn't come up 
with any appropriate part numbers for the PTO kit.  Anyone?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:14:59 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Roll up your sleeves

BigAlSk8r@aol.com asked:

>What do you do with a motor that needs an over-haul because of worn/ 
>damaged cylinders but has already had .060" over pistons installed?

Any competent machine shop can fit piston sleeves.  I've seen even *holed* 
cylinders fixed in this fashion.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 2.25 Diesel

I'm very happy with mine as well. I've had it for a year now, and haven't had
any problems with it, though I've found that the cheaper the fuel, the poorer
it runs.

Charles Irvin
British Airways/LAX
1962 SIIA 109 diesel pickup
1959 SII 88 petrol

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:41:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan Rao <ncavwc@nicom.com>
Subject: Hand Crank

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Hand Crank

Anyone know a source for the handcrank for a SIII?  I have the starter dog just
no crank.  

Hey Paul, I've dealt with a guy in the North East of the U.S. for used parts
if that is what you're looking for.  His name is Michael Buonanducci his
business is called Bit of Britain.  I don't have the phone or address with
me but I got his info of the rover web in one of the list of suppliers.
E-mail me on the list or directly if you need his phone.

Dan Rao

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:05:30 +0100
From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: R/R starting problems

>A friend of mine has an '82 Range Rover (3.5 petrol) that doesn't
>want to start after the engine is warmed up, but does just fine when
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>a problem like this ?  What about vapor lock ?
>Cheers,
>Reggie O

I assume that at that age the vehicle has carbs fitted, probably Strombergs.
Hot start problems are usually mixture related or timing related. If the thing
starts and runs OK when it's cold then it is unlikely to be a timing problem as
,when warm, the timing on a V8 has to be a long way out before it won't
start at all - I ran mine at about 20 degrees ATDC and it started quite
happily warm or cold, a bit low on power though ... :-)

Check the air filter is clean and present. If it is running without air filter
elements then the two end plates inside the filter box can slide along the
threaded bar and block off the air flow - remove the two air box elbows
and see if the problem goes away.

If you have a closed breather system then the air filter may be getting
blocked by oil vapour, particularly if the engine is worn and the crankcase
is getting pressurised.

Both of the above will increase the fuel ratio and cause hot start problems.
Checking one of the plugs when the engine is warm should indicate if the
engine is running too rich. Also the end of the exhaust pipe should have
very little in the way of deposits in it. If there are sooty residues after
a good run out then the mixture is too rich.

Vapour lock is very unlikely on this vehicle as it has a full flow system
that runs at very low pressure. The fuel only goes into the carbs while
it is passing on its way back to the tank... if you know what I mean.

Lastly, a real longshot. You mention a new exhaust pipe... I recently
saw a V8 exhaust pipe supplied by a well known stainless steel
manufacturer where one side of the Y piece effectively blocked
off the other... I hate to think what symptoms that would have
caused had it not been spotted before fitting.

Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
'72 SIII  V8 auto, Range Rover Chassis
'89 Range Rover
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club
<http://www.landie.demon.co.uk/>

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 06 Apr 97 22:35:20 +0000
Subject: My Landie is named!

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren) 
 
I just had to tell you about my new Landie. Everyone says it will name 
itself, and it has!!! 
 
When I picked it up, a few weeks back, it was parked in front of the 
seller's wifes new Fiat Almera. As I wasn't used to the gearbox, (first 
Landie) I accidently sorta.... well, i put it into reverse instead of 
first...... and let the clutch in.......and......... it sorta "lurched" 
backwards narrowly missing the sellers wifes new car!!!!!!! 
 
Oooops!!! No damage done, except to my pride. Luckily the seller wasn't 
watching and I drove away, head bowed! So, the Landie is duly named: 
 
                                "LURCH" 
 
He He he...... as everyone said, once you live with a Landie, it'll name 
itself. 
 
I'm settling into it, or maybe it's settling into me. It's been 3 weeks 
now. I've driven it everyday to work, towed my caravan away for the 
Easter weekend, let the wife drive it, (maybe a bad move as she liked 
it!), my dogs love it to bits, and I'm smitten!! Ok, it's slow, noisy, 
primitive, etc. but I love it!!!!!! 
 
Catch you later, 
Lenny...                                                                  6/4 
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel        "LURCH"         ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... "I am Fudd of Borg. Your wabbits will be ashimilated "
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 06 Apr 97 22:47:06 +0000
Subject: blue smoke???

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren) 
 
When I start my diesel ser iii, I get a cloud of blue smoke, also on the 
over-run. It's fine when it's running, but if you let it idle and then 
rev it, you get blue smoke. 
 
It's obviously oil in the combustion chamber, but do you think it's 
valve stem oil seals???? I've never had a diesel before, but I know they 
are oil burners and the oil is used to lube the cylinders, but is this 
normal??? 
 
What about the MOT??? It's not black smoke, my injectors seem to be ok. 
 
Any remedies without taking the head off??? I've heard of an oil 
treatment that is meant to recondition oil seals. My cousin swears by 
it, but has anyone tried it???? 
 
Catch you later, 
Lenny...                                                                  7/4 
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel        "LURCH"         ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... Ace: Sorry, Bongo, but lunch is ... on Mellie.
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:17:49 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Hydraulic redux

...I *meant* to say LT-230....Anyway, soon after posting my request for a 
hydraulic PTO, I open up the new issue of LRW and Craddock's has this 20 
page spread on Series I parts.  Under "optional equipment" I spy RTC7043 - 
hydraulic pump power take off units.  Now I don't think that Series parts 
every carried the "RTC" moniker, but I've also been told that the LT-230 PTO 
hole dimensions are the same as on Series IIa and III vehicles. (Indeed, the 
next item is a PTO control rod, 1948-1984.)  Soooo, does anyone have the 
specs on an RTC7043???  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:08:28 -0700
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Modern PTOs was Re: Winch/PTO/Overdrive

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
> snip
> I've been wanting to fit the Discovery with a hydraulic winch with the PTO
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 7 lines)]
> R-380. Another source at LRNA says it *should* work, but couldn't come up
> with any appropriate part numbers for the PTO kit.  Anyone?  

Well,... LRNA would be the LAST to know :)

The parts you want are one of the following:

FTC988 Centre PTO for the 110/90 4 cyl models
FTC989 Centre PTO for the 110/90 V-8 /5 speed models 
FRC3543 Centre PTO for the 110 V-8/4 speed

Each of these units is apparently rated for continual operation in 4th gear
(1:1) and "intermittent" operation in intermediate gears.  

I've been tracking down information on these as part of a "hare brain" scheme
to look into reverse hydraulic drive for "on demand crawling" for Samson my 
NAS D90.

As to why the designation is by engine/vehicle rather than transfer box where the 
damn things are attached I can't be sure.  The story appears to be one
of different size lever/linkages (external) rather than different PTOs.

To further complicate matters FTC989 is apparently NLA.

A rough price on FTC988 is 500 pounds sterling, if you can find one.

I don't believe that the R380 is relevant as it, if memory serves, uses
the same transfer box as the LT77, etc (specifically the LT230T or R).  
One thing I don't know is if the T or R transfer designation (tapered or roller 
bearings, as I understand) is significant in the PTO selection.  I currently 
understand/guess/believe the FTC988 to be a feasible unit for the NAS vehicles

 ... but maybe you should try it first and tell me :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:50:12 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>

subscribe land-rover-owner

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:40:33 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: RR starting problem

Depending on how severe the problem is, it may just
be fuel vapourisation.  I know of V8's that
are reluctant to start when hot on a hot day
but letting the fuel pump circulate fuel
for 30 seconds fixes the matter.

Lloyd
http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: 2.25 Diesel
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 08:53:00 PDT

If you're used to farm tractors you'll feel right at home with a diesel Land 
Rover:-)
The 2.25 engine is a no frills diesel engine which should run forever and a 
day if given regular oil changes. Should be good for 60mph (faster with the 
wind behind it).
Drive it in all gears 2WD, 4WD, HI & LO; if everything engages and runs 
without excessive noise then the transmission is probably sound. Check the 
chassis(frame in US) for rust, especially round the spring hangers and the 
rear crossmember. Be brutal when testing: poke it hard with a big 
screwdriver. Check for rust to the bulkhead, especially around the 
footwells. Have a look at the swivel balls: they should be smooth ,shiny 
chrome. If they're heavily pitted they will need replacing and they're not 
the cheapest or easiest to replace part.

I was told when I bought my Landy that after 3 weeks I would either love it 
or hate it, guess it must be love:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: hstin
Subject: 2.25 Diesel
Date: 16 April 1997 10:16

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

Hello
        I am looking into the purchase of a Land Rover and have found an
interesting one with a 2.25 Diesel unit.  My experiences with Diesel power
is limited to farm tractors and so I would be interested in hearing any
accounts of life with a Diesel Land Rover.  I have heard they are slow, but,
not the beasts they are often made out to be.  Is there anything in
particular one should look into when testing a prospective purchase?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.  Later...

                                                                Hank

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:08:31 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Hydraulic redux

Some Series parts, particularly accesories "kits" and fasteners, have
RTC numbers.

RTC4073 is just the pump unit itself for a bottom PTO. It doesn't even
include the mounting plate to the PTO, let alone the PTO. Blanchard
lists the complete Series bottom hydraulic PTO kit, RTC8002, for #395. I
have no idea if it works with the LT-230. Not only do the bottom PTO
holes need to be identical, the gear which the PTO drives off of must be
identical to the Series transfer case.

Blanchard also lists the RTC8004 Series hydraulic winch kit for #525. In
the Optional Equipment catalogue this appears to be the complete kit
including rear PTO pump, tank, lines, valve, etc. as well as the winch.
Not cheap but not outrageous compared to a good electric winch. To use
with an overdrive you need RTC8002.

Regards,
David Cockey

Alexander P. Grice wrote:
> Under "optional equipment" I spy RTC7043 -
> hydraulic pump power take off units.  Now I don't think that Series parts
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> next item is a PTO control rod, 1948-1984.)  Soooo, does anyone have the
> specs on an RTC7043???  Cheers

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: 2.25 Diesel
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:20:10 +0200 (MET DST)

| ...Have a look at the swivel balls: they should be smooth ,shiny 
| chrome. If they're heavily pitted they will need replacing and they're not 
| the cheapest or easiest to replace part.
have a look inside them aswell. some owners replace the 90w with grease
when it no longer stays in. have seen completely drys, too. be sure
to check all the other fluids (axle diffs, g'box, t'box, engine oil,
brake and clutch, cooling system). gives you an impression about how
well it was maintained.

Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:45:47 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: test - PLEASE IGNORE

My previous message bounced so I'm just doing a quick test message - sorry!

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:30:50 +0100
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: My horror story....

I want to tell you a story.......one that should act as a warning to us
all......

Recently (late January), our car (Ford Escort - I know, I know!!!) failed
it's MOT test miserably, needing ~=A3600 worth of work doing on it (the car'=
s
only worth =A3800) so, needless to say, it had to go, this left a slight
problem, we had the standard 2 weeks grace to either get the car fixed or
replace it.

After much persuasion and 'lively debate' with my dearly beloved, we agreed
to get a good, late SIII. One condition that 'the boss' imposed was that
rather than buying from a private advert (local papers, etc.) we should go
to one of the second-hand LR specialists, so that we'd have some kind of
purchase protection.

With only ten days left before the Ford was illegal, we trundled off up to
Huddersfield to a certain second-hand specialists (mentioning no names -
the one with the big full page ad on the inside cover of LROi magazine -
http://www.lrch.demon.co.uk - the one where they emphasise their dedication
to top quality, etc, etc).

Once there we had a good look at a SWB late SIII. They were asking =A33500
for it (ouch!), but it LOOKED very nice (carpeted throughout, county
stripes, headlamp grilles, etc. very tidy) it sounded nice too. After
giving it a quick look over (trusting in their quality spiel - big, BIG
mistake. With hindsight I should have been under there for at least an hour
- I know!!) we decided to buy. They said they'd MOT it for us that week and
we'd pick it up on the following saturday.

So we picked it up, paid our money and brought it home.

Shortly after (1 week) I noticed coolant leaking on the road - the water
pump had to be replaced, in the meantime we'd kept it well topped
up(fortunately we had a 6-month maintenance warranty thing with it, so it
was fixed for free). A couple of weeks later I noticed she was still
leaking coolant, so we took her to a local LR specialist who took her up on
the ramps only to find the following problems:

* A 2" crack in the engine block just below the exhaust manifold (hence the
coolant leak

* Oil seals gone (inc. handbrake seal)

* Footwells holed (patched on the inside, but not sealed on the outside
were water could get in).

* Swivel housing very badly pitted

* both front wheel oil seals gone

Needless to say these things weren't covered under the 'warranty'.

So, after much 'phoning the vendor agreed to fix all the problems for free,
with the exception of the engine (they said we must have over-heated it -
we couldn't prove otherwise) in the end we paid for a replacement
second-hand engine which they fitted for free.

OK, so I've had her back for about 2 weeks now and I notice oil splashes on
the front of one of the wheels, on closer inspection one of the hub-bolts
was not tightened up, so out came the spanner and I tried to tighten it,
only to find that it had sheared off and was just sitting in the hole!!. I
thought I'd better check the other bolts and lo and behold they were all
only finger-tight!! - I nearly went ballistic!! - this realy didn't look
like a vehicle that had just undergone (and passed) an MOT test!

Sooo the morals of my story are:

When buying a second-hand LR TRUST NO-ONE!!!

and

ALL THAT GLITTERS ISN'T GOLD - just because it looks good it doesn't mean
it is!!

It could be argued that I brought this on myself, but at the same time we
were in a hurry and (foolishly) thought that buying from a 'reputable'
company would protect us from at least SOME of the pit-falls of second-hand
buying. How wrong we were.

Needless to say I won't be going back to Huddersfield again!!.

On a slightly up-beat note both my wife and I still love our LR and
wouldn't be without her!.

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 11:47:09 PDT
From: James Breach <jbreach@ds5200.gradyn.co.uk>
Subject: RE: My horror story.... 

I had the same thing with my series III
from Safari Services.
I bought it with a years MOT but it was in a state so
I got it MOTd somewhere else and told them to
fix it with the list of things that was wrong from the 
OK MOT.
It worked and they fixed Lloydy
However I won't go back
James
Lloydy '83 sIII county swb diesel

 

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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 05:56:59 -0700
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: My horror story....

Duncan Phillips wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> I want to tell you a story.......one that should act as a warning to us
> all......

Now picture someone from North America having imported that one...adding
another couple of thousand dollars for shipping etc,...

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