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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:44:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Questions

Michel,

You want the carb from a 1957 General Motors 235 cubic inch six cylinder.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Questions

Michel,

You want the carb from a 1957 General Motors 235 cubic inch six cylinder.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:55:45 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Strange objects found in fuel tank

At 12:23 97-04-15 +0200, you wrote:

>Hi all

-I'm cleaning out the fuel tank of my 59 SW, and I found these two (lead?)
>squares, about 20mm x 20mm x 5mm, marked "CFLO". Is this some snake oil from
>the sixties to improve milage or something? And no, they're not magnetic :-)
-
>Wouter
>the sixties to improve milage or something? And no, they're not magnetic :-)
---
Possible answers:

1) Somebody who tried to convert unleaded fuel to leaded fuel for a small cost? 
2) Some kid wanted to ruin the PO's engine but couldn't make the difference
between sugar and lead?
3) CFLO means Canadian Foreign Lead Object which means your Landie was
originally sold in Newfoundland, Canada

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:59:19 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: tims@postoffice...

Am I the only one who gets a TFS delivery failure message  that says this: 

Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable:
paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com 

everytime I send a message to the list?

It is annoying, 

Thanks, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:02:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: JATE rings for Discovery

Hello,

I fitted a set of front and rear JATE rings to my '95 V8 Discovery.
They are part number RRC3237 and are aluminium U shapes.  You need 
to buy a long bolt and a nyloc nut for each one.  
The rear ones fit in place of the lashing loops with no problem.
Just tighten the nuts so that the ring can swing backwards and forwards.
The front ones were a pain in the arse to fit.  I removed the lashing loop
and found that the JATE ring was too narrow to go over the chassis because
the bumper mounts in the same place.  I got round this by filing down the 
flats on the inside of the JATE rings.  They fit fine after that and poke 
out of the front spoiler holes like they are meant to be there.

Tom.

'95 V8 Discovery
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:28:13 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: JATE rings for Discovery

Hello,

I fitted a set of front and rear JATE rings to my '95 V8 Discovery.
They are part number RRC3237 and are aluminium U shapes.  You need 
to buy a long bolt and a nyloc nut for each one.  
The rear ones fit in place of the lashing loops with no problem.
Just tighten the nuts so that the ring can swing backwards and forwards.
The front ones were a pain in the arse to fit.  I removed the lashing loop
and found that the JATE ring was too narrow to go over the chassis because
the bumper mounts in the same place.  I got round this by filing down the 
flats on the inside of the JATE rings.  They fit fine after that and poke 
out of the front spoiler holes like they are meant to be there.

Tom.

'95 V8 Discovery
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:35:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: tims@postoffice...

In a message dated 4/15/97 8:00:57 AM, you wrote:

>Am I the only one who gets a TFS delivery failure message  that says this: 
>Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>paulc@postoffice.durango.mjt.com 
>everytime I send a message to the list?

No, you aren't alone. Got my first few these past few days... could it be the
onset of another "Undeliverable Mail" barrage?

pat.
93  110

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:55:31 -0500
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: re:Converting to neg ground

*snip*
Can someone enlighten me on the procedure for making this switchover? =
Things I've seen mention of are switching or diabling the ammeter, =
swapping the coil leads, and something with the fuel guage. What else is =
there to worry about? Thanks much,
*snip*

Tim- I haven't completed mine yet, so this is partly theoretical, but here
are my plans based on what I learned from folks here & elsewhere-

I'm fabricating a mount for the alternator, and getting one of the newer
ones that have the regulator built-in to the alternator. This makes the
wiring much simpler. (Save those old parts for barter with folks to whom
*original* restoration matters!)

The rest of wiring only gets changed in three ways-

1) swap the battery leads

2) swap the coil leads

3) swap the ammeter leads, and in my case, I will be adding a shunt resistor
to the meter because I expect the alternator to generate about twice the
current in some situations. This means that the markings will be wrong, but
with a little adjustment, I should be able to exactly double the current
values. When I know what the resistance is (probably several months from
now), I will post it here. Without a shunt resistor, the ammeter will
probably be pegged at the top end a lot, and I suppose might even be damaged.

I've been told that everything else works without alteration- even the other
dash guages. If you get this done before I do, I'd like to hear how the
theory stands up to reality.

-NickF

Nick Fankhauser        |  Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us   |        http://co.wayne.in.us/wayneco

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 9:01:09 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Tips...yesterday's & today's

Yesterday was a drag...Granulocyte donation in the a.m. (2.5 hours on the 
chair) and an office move in the afternoon.

Anyway, here's yesterday's tip...
Next time you fill up with gas ask for a couple of extra plastic gloves. 
These come in handy when you don't wish to get your hands soiled should 
you need to get under the bonnet for any reason, like checking the oil at 
the filling station. I keep some on the bulkhead for filling the diesel 
tank. Keeps the stink off your paws.

And today's...
Extend the life of your wiper blades by running a slice of apple along 
the edges.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Tips...yesterday's & today's
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:12:22 +0200 (MET DST)

| And today's...
| Extend the life of your wiper blades by running a slice of apple along 
| the edges.
?????
sounds like this snake oil things....

Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 06:57:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Lucas is no more?

Re:Varity, Prince of Darkness?

I'm not worried - it's still the same one lonely electron per car......

          aj"Truck's STILL got Lucas stamped all over it..."r

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Lucas is no more?

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Lucking, Richard wrote:

> According to an article in todays "Daily Telegraph", Varity Corporation
> (Lucas's new owners) are considering changing the name as part of a
> "World-wide Identity Review"

	Isn't Varity the new name of Massey Ferguson?  (changed it some 15
	years ago after going bust under the old name)

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:14:24 +0100 (BST)
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@service.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: JATE rings for Discovery

Hello,

I fitted a set of front and rear JATE rings to my '95 V8 Discovery.
They are part number RRC3237 and are aluminium U shapes.  You need 
to buy a long bolt and a nyloc nut for each one.  
The rear ones fit in place of the lashing loops with no problem.
Just tighten the nuts so that the ring can swing backwards and forwards.
The front ones were a pain in the arse to fit.  I removed the lashing loop
and found that the JATE ring was too narrow to go over the chassis because
the bumper mounts in the same place.  I got round this by filing down the 
flats on the inside of the JATE rings.  They fit fine after that and poke 
out of the front spoiler holes like they are meant to be there.

Tom.

'95 V8 Discovery
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:15:16 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: T3 Turbocharger for sale

Just a quickie ad:

Garratt T3 Turbocharger for sale.

Good condition, Suitable for most of the 4 - 6 cylinder Land Rover (Hybrid)
engines.

To be honest I am not sure what their second hand value is but I am looking
for offers around =A3120

Area:  Newcastle upon Tyne (UK)

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:15:45 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: Winch / PTO / Overdrive

I have a Series II 1960 with a "Mayflower" winch attached.  It is a PTO drum
winch operating off the rear PTO.  In order to be able to afford to move my
lovely beastie more than 1 mile away from my home I have fitted an
overdrive... All very well... It is reasonably efficient 17mpg and VERY
fast... 92mph  (original engine)BUT...  The lovely winch that sits on the
front is redundant.  I do a fair bit of work on boats so a working winch
would be useful...  Is it possible to run it off the front of the crank
shaft or even convert to electric...

I am looking for the immaginative "weld it yourself" option rather than a
list of suppliers of parts to do the job "bolt on and go" fashion.

Thanks in advance...

James Curtis  (Newcastle U.K.)

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:26:32 +0100
From: James Curtis <staff@stjohnsba.rmplc.co.uk>
Subject: Winch / PTO / Overdrive

I have a Series II 1960 with a "Mayflower" winch attached.  It is a PTO drum
winch operating off the rear PTO.  In order to be able to afford to move my
lovely beastie more than 1 mile away from my home I have fitted an
overdrive... All very well... It is reasonably efficient 17mpg and VERY
fast... 92mph  (original engine)BUT...  The lovely winch that sits on the
front is redundant.  I do a fair bit of work on boats so a working winch
would be useful...  Is it possible to run it off the front of the crank
shaft or even convert to electric...

I am looking for the immaginative "weld it yourself" option rather than a
list of suppliers of parts to do the job "bolt on and go" fashion.

Thanks in advance...

James Curtis  (Newcastle U.K.)

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From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: Wanted Parts for '65 2a
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:59:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: Wanted Parts for '65 2a

Message-ID: <SIMEON.9701091153.A@computis.jmu.edu>

	I recently acquired a 1965 IIA Rover from Mike 
McCaig.  I have already stripped it down to the chassis and 
ordered a crate of necessary parts from England; however, 
there are some body parts that I still need.  I know I can 
order them as well, but I would like to avoid having to pay 
for these items new if I can find some used ones elsewhere. 
I need a complete front right wing, as I have nothing at 
the moment.  The left wing I have is in rough shape.  I 
would like to replace it too if possible.  I also need the 
sides for a top.  If anyone within a reasonable drive of 
Richmond, Virginia has these parts, a response or referral 
would be appreciated.  Thank you for your time.

					John

-- 
Adamson, John G
adamsojg@jmu.edu

--- End Forwarded Message ---

-- 
Adamson, John G
adamsojg@jmu.edu

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: soft top on 88 questions

Clayton - I was in the same boat 25 years ago when I ditched the hard top 
on my 88; lots of parts & no instructions.  Here goes:

All the major pieces (hoops, windshield cap, door tops, etc.) should be 
self evident. Here's where the straps go, along with their related loops 
& fasteners.  You've got 2 sets of long straps.  One pair goes straight 
down the back and fastens to a pair of the small flat loops positioned by 
the tailgate latches.  The front set pull the attached canvas flap behind 
the front major hoop and then fasten to another set of flat loops mounted 
above the windshield (alt. is to take them straight down to the back of 
the seat bulkhead, but this gets in the way somewhat).  The web ties that 
run back from the two front corners hook under the tabs in the door tops 
and then is pulled tight and simply tied around the horizontal brace 
between the major top hoops. The top's front sides are then tucked in 
behind the flat metal wind protectors at the back of the door windows, 
and secured by strapping around the hoop on the inside.  The open-ended 
galvanized catch mounts on the flat just above the curve of the side 
panel just behind the door and serves to retain the canvas side's 
drawsting loop.  The drawstring goes under the tabs that are welded to 
the truck, are pulled tight and then tied to the horse-shoe shaped loops 
that you'll mount in the upper-outside corners of the back by the stop 
lights.  The drawstring that goes around the perimeter of the back 
opening is pulled tight to snug up the fit (& close the upper corners), 
and then tied off to the hoops.  The rear flap is the fixed by running 
the side straps through the pockets on the canvas sides, and hooking the 
bottom rope on the hook in one of the pockets, under the metal tabs on 
your tailgate (pull tight), around the hook in the other side pocket, 
then down to the horseshoe loop and tied off.  The bit of rubber is 
pop-riveted to the top center of the windshield cap so that the screen 
won't bang around on the hood when it's folded down.  The other straps 
are used when you roll up the back & sides, and can be left dangling for 
that familiar flappity-flap sound on rough roads.

If you lay the top flat, fold the sides in to the width of the rear flap 
(you'll be folding in a little of each side of the front part too), toss 
all the straps in and roll.  The whole shebang will fit snugly up one 
side of the rear floor and tuck into the space between the spare and the 
wheel well.  Rolled like this (and with a bit of practice) you should be 
able to fling to canvas up & over the truck so that it rolls open in 
mid-air and settles down on the hoops in almost perfect position.  Then 
just climb on the hood, attach the front loops, go to the back of the 
truck to tie the straps down, loop the door-top straps under their tabs 
and tie off to the horizontal bar, run the front straps behind the front 
hoop and fasten to the windshiel top, tie down the sides & back if you 
want, and Voila, your off.  ...about 3-4 minutes when your good at it (or 
in a downpour).  The fling is the key, though.  It's all in the wrist.

Or you could send it all back and order the Genuine Land Rover Power Top 
kit...

Good luck.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:00:29 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)
Subject: Unsubscribe - for now...

>From: debrown@srp.gov
>Date: 14 Apr 97 11:44:06 MST
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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rochester Carb Question

Subject: Rochester Carb part needed + question

On Sat, 12 April 1997 Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca> wrote:
"I have a Rochester Carb that was fitted on a 1962 109 that is leaking."

Michel:

I have a 1965 109 that leaks too.  They all do.  If it is the carb that
leaks, it belongs on a Land Rover where it will feel at home.

"I need to find a kit to fix or to replace the bottom part of the carb
(under the "bowl") since fuel is leaking thru the shaft that goes across the
base."

The part you want is called the throttle body.  I have bought these from
carburetor service shops.  You might get lucky and still find one.  They
were made of cast iron in several sizes, so take yours with.  If it will fit
onto your float bowl it should work, even if the throttle bore is larger
than your original.

It sounds like the problem with your carb may be a worn throttle shaft.  The
nickel plated brass shaft is much softer than the cast iron throttle body.
You may be able to buy just the throttle shaft.  If so get new screws to
attach the throttle plate to the shaft.  These screws are peened in place
and are difficult to re-use.  Also get a rebuild kit and install these parts
while the carb is accessible.  Be sure to set the floats correctly.

"On what american models were these carburetors fitted?"

Early 1950s Chevrolet & GMC products.  The one you want is the Rochester
Model BV 1bbl, it has a 30.9mm venturi and flows 167cfm.  If you get a whole
carb, get one from a pickup, as these are fitted for manual choke and have
an airhorn which adapts easily to the Land Rover air cleaner elbow.

Keep them Rovers Running!

Paul Donohue
Denver
1965 109 with Rochester

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From: oboskyr@mail.interquest.de
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:15:53 +0000
Subject: R/R starting problems

Hello, 

A friend of mine has an '82 Range Rover (3.5 petrol) that doesn't 
want to start after the engine is warmed up, but does just fine when 
it's cold.  Prior to this problem he replaced his spark plugs, cap, 
rotor, points, condenser and exhaust system.  A local mechanic 
suggested that he has a cam going bad;  to me, a worn cam creating 
an intermittent problem doesn't make much sense.  I'm leaning towards 
one of the distributer components that was recently changed being 
faulty.  Is there any Range Rover owners out there that have incountered 
a problem like this ?  What about vapor lock ?

Cheers,

Reggie O

'82  Series III LR  "Matilda"

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:09:22 -0400
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: 92 mph Series II?

> I have a Series II 1960...I have fitted an overdrive... All very >well... It is reasonably efficient 17mpg and VERY fast... 92mph  >(original engine)

92 mph in a Series II??? Original Engine??? Don't tell me its a diesel.
Is this a typo? 

Rover On,
David L Glaser         '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6 (MayaTruk)
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu   '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:55:02 -0400
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: R/R starting problems

A friend of mine has an '82 Range Rover (3.5 petrol) that doesn't
want to start after the engine is warmed up, but does just fine when
it's cold.  Prior to this problem he replaced his spark plugs, cap,
rotor, points, condenser and exhaust system.  A local mechanic
suggested that he has a cam going bad;  to me, a worn cam creating
an intermittent problem doesn't make much sense.  I'm leaning towards
one of the distributer components that was recently changed being
faulty.  Is there any Range Rover owners out there that have incountered
a problem like this ?  What about vapor lock ?

I don't know much about Rangies since it's a coiler.  But, if it has an O2
sensor that would be a classic example of sensor failure.

cheers,
Mike

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:54:30 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Tips...yesterday's & today's

At 09:01 AM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>the filling station. I keep some on the bulkhead for filling the diesel 
>tank. Keeps the stink off your paws.

Oh come on, you own a Land Rover, and you're worried about a little
gasoline/diesel smell?  8^)

>Extend the life of your wiper blades by running a slice of apple along 
>the edges.

On a regular basis, or one time when installing them?  How often?    How come?

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Tips...yesterday's & today's

In a message dated 97-04-15 15:59:43 EDT, you write:

<< At 09:01 AM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
 >the filling station. I keep some on the bulkhead for filling the diesel 
 >tank. Keeps the stink off your paws.
 Oh come on, you own a Land Rover, and you're worried about a little
 gasoline/diesel smell?  8^)
  >>
 I like to think of it as Chanel No. (87, 89 or 93 depending) for men

Nate

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Electronic telegraph...

           'THE world is waiting for British cars." If you hang around Dr
Walter Hasselkus, the 55-year-old German lawyer now
           running Rover, you'll hear the mantra more than once.

           Personally, I wouldn't want to say whether Hasselkus believes
it himself or not. He might be the keenest Anglophile in a
           company where a passion for all things British does you more
favours with the boss than a marginally inferior golf
           handicap, but he still possesses the impenetrable cool that
seems the birthright of every well-educated German.

           Don't let that make you think Hasselkus is anything but
extraordinary; there's no space for make-weights on the tiny
           board of one of Europe's most consistently successful
companies. However, an easy familiarity with the English
           language, learnt over four years running BMW GB in the 1980s,
means Hasselkus relies on charm not candour when
           talking about the billion-pound derelict that BMW acquired in
March 1994.

           He likes to talk about how he got the job because he is known,
once a year, to crack a joke, which, as a German,
           makes him a comic genius and a certain hit with the "famous
British sense of humour". "When a German gives a speech
           in Britain the expectations are so low," he says.

           Or how, in the 12 years he was away from the UK, so much has
changed, but the only German wine available is still
           Blue Nun. And of course that ever optimistic panacea: "The
world is waiting for British cars."

           Let's hope it is. Rover recently reported a loss of 119
million. It came on the back of a 148 million loss in 1995. It
           should be noted at this point that those are the Germans'
figures: 1995's figure equates to a 93 million profit in our way
           of doing things, but you'll have to make your own conclusions
about the 1996 figure - BMW isn't saying, but it does not
           expect Rover to turn a profit in its own terms until the year
2000.

           By then BMW will have invested close to 2 billion and six years
of the finest engineering, marketing and managerial
           therapy the car business has to offer. If the world doesn't
want British cars by 2000, then it probably never will.

           In reality, the chairman and chief executive of Rover Group
(Rover, Land Rover, MG and Mini) has three jobs to do
           between now and 2000: supervise and structure BMW's massive
investment; improve productivity; and, finally, deliver
           some world-class cars.

           Can Hasselkus deliver? If you'd scanned his resum blind you
quite possibly would have overlooked him for the job of
           running a manufacturing operation producing 500,000 cars a
year. Starting in planning, he moved to regional sales, then
           national sales and lately took charge of BMW's motorcycle
division, producing a relatively small number of highly
           desirable bikes.

           Talk to him about the complexities of the UK versus German
accounting systems and he'll confess a little confusion and
           refer you to Rover's finance director. Talk to him about what
seems like an extremely nifty strategy to keep the Mini in
           the spotlight until it's replaced and he'll joke: "Not
everything we do follows a deep-rooted strategy. We tend to do it
           first then declare afterwards that there is a deep-rooted
strategy!"

           In person he's surprisingly imposing: tall, slim, but
well-built. He has a taste for contrasting cuffs and collars - less in the
           razor-sharp style of the dashing, blond, former Rover chairman
Wolfgang Reitzle (the "assassin" in the BBC's When
           Rover met BMW), more the soft style pioneered in the UK by Sir
David Steel.

           His manner is avuncular, friendly and, yes, funny. His English
is extremely good, although his frequent use of "somehow"
           and "somewhat", as in "In the '70s and '60s so much of the
British character was, somehow, lost at Rover", or "In the
           '90s Rover somewhat appeared again on the map," give the game
away. Somewhat.

           Hasselkus is now fighting battles on two fronts: at Longbridge
and in the media. His predecessor, John Towers (the
           "victim" in When Rover met BMW) tamed the Longbridge workforce
in 1991 with a "New Deal" on lifetime job
           security in return for flexibility.

           Hasselkus wants to stretch the meaning of that flexibility to
include a successful BMW scheme whereby workers can
           "bank" a maximum of 200 hours overtime over a period of two
years. The negotiations are being carried out against a
           background of scare stories that have BMW closing Rover (but
keeping the more profitable Land Rover, MG and Mini
           divisions), selling Rover to Chrysler or selling Rover to an
ex-management buyout led by Towers.

           "It's utter nonsense. Who on earth could seriously imagine the
banks funding an ex-senior executive to buy back just
           Rover cars? I could understand it better if it was Land Rover
as well; theoretically and intellectually that is somehow
           thinkable," says Hasselkus. "But just Rover cars is
unthinkable. I'm absolutely speechless that anyone could write such a
           thing. The British press seems determined to make sure Rover's
future is as shaky as its past.

           "The Chrysler story has a little more logic to it, but only in
the journalist's mind. And as far as BMW's commitment to
           Rover, anyone who knows anything about the car industry knows
that you don't invest in things like paint shops unless
           you are 100 per cent committed."

           None the less, Hasselkus admits that, for a new chief executive
attempting to build credibility, the rumours don't help.
           His style, although friendly and apparently open, is very
different from that of Towers, an engineer whose route to the
           top was by way of manufacturing.

           Hasselkus does not wear the grey overalls of Towers, and the
chief executive's parking space has returned. "Walter's
           view on the role of a chief executive," says one colleague, "is
to work longer hours than anyone else".

           Unconnected with the main negotiations, there have been small
signs of unease in the workforce, particularly at
           Longbridge, where there have now been three short, half-day
unofficial strikes since last November, the first for eight
           years. Hasselkus remains optimistic.

           "What impresses me is the tone of negotiations between
management and shop stewards. It's tough when it comes to
           the year-end deal of course - you're always close to disaster
then. But generally speaking it is absolutely remarkable,
           particularly when you think where the industry came from.

           "The name Longbridge was once synonymous with disastrous
industrial relations but that has changed dramatically. The
           'New Deal' has so far worked very well. It hasn't hampered us
in terms of getting to the levels of efficiency we want to
           see."

           BMW's workforce in the UK costs half the money its workforce in
Germany does and productivity is good (turnover
           last year increased 14 per cent on unit sales up only five per
cent). "But," says Hasselkus without any hint of a threat,
           "there is room for improvement."

           Hasselkus says he does not use the media as a tool in
negotiations, but has none the less delayed an announcement on
           where the new Mini, due around the turn of the century, will be
built.

           Insiders say that Longbridge is the preferred site, but that no
final decision will be made until a new "New Deal" is
           signed.

           And to spice the process up a bit, Rover has already announced
that the Mini's engines will be built in South America.

           The new Mini will not be the first BMW Rover. We will see that
at the end of next year, a medium-sized car to replace
           both the 800 and the 600. Code named R40, it will be built at
Cowley in Oxford.

           Hasselkus says that with the R40 he wants to return Rover's
centre of gravity to where it was in the '50s and '60s, when
           it was the chosen car of lawyers and doctors: "Elegant,
up-market with a very distinctive design. Without the badges
           people must be able to see this car and say, 'That's a Rover
and that's British'," he says. "That's what people want from
           a British car."

           Few doubt he's wrong. What's remarkable is that it's taken a
German to realise it. Hasselkus might not have the
           shop-floor appeal of his predecessor, but he does have the
perspective and BMW does have the money. Without that,
           the world could end up waiting forever for British cars. 

           26 March 1997: BMW's 600m fuel for Rover

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:42:53 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Sill Trim

So, I've heard rumors that the sill trim was delivered to your house. 
Was it?

C

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:00:53 -0700
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Subject: Re: Sill Trim
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:05:01 +0200
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Winch / PTO / Overdrive

James Curtis wrote:
 
> I am looking for the immaginative "weld it yourself" option rather than a
> list of suppliers of parts to do the job "bolt on and go" fashion.
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> Thanks in advance...
> James Curtis  (Newcastle U.K.)

As you have a foothold in the shipworld, why not go hydraulic? I often
come across
sailing yachts with all sorts of hydraylic winches, reefing devices etc.
Maybe 
you can convert an anchor winch?
I'm thinking in this direction for my own Landrover, but only when I
have an engine
that doesn't use one headgasket every 1000 km!

A friend of mine is restoring a SI, and he's looking for a a PTO winch.
So if you decide to sell,......

Keep me updated on the progress,

Floris Houniet
Ser IIa 1969
Houniet@xs4all.nl

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:22:10 +0100
From: "Christian Lester." <clester@ibm.net>
Subject: Mystery vibration.

Dear all,

My 1966 '88 diesel has recently developed a mystery vibration. It begins
at approx. 20 mph increases & then disappears at approx. 30 mph.
Otherwise all seems well, with no obvious ill effect. Has anyone any
ideas as to what the possible cause is ?

Many thanks,

Christian.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Sill Trim

In a message dated 97-04-15 17:22:27 EDT, you write:

<< So, I've heard rumors that the sill trim was delivered to your house. 
 Was it?
  >>
A vicious rumor, I assure you ; ).  Last time I checked, the trim was in
Cach, IL (wherever THAT is).  I called OOPS yesterday about it and they said
that if it wasn't delivered by Thursday, call back.  To be fair, they have
been very cooperative about all this, still, I wonder if it's any way to run
a railroad...

BTW, did you get your halfshafts changed?

Nate 

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:00:42 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: New LR Centre

A new LR centre is opening in the DC metro area, and ROAV has been asked to 
send a few Series vehicles to liven up the proceedings.  The grand opening 
for Land Rover Alexandria will be on Saturday, and most likely, there will 
be food/drink, though I don't know the particulars yet.  So if you are in 
the area, you might want to drop by.  The site is on Duke St., just west of 
old town.  E-mail me direct if you want phone numbers or an address.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Hella Headlights
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:49:00 +1000

Have you tried:

Hella Inc
201 Kelly Drive
Peachtree City GA 3029
tel 800 247-5924
fax 800 631-7575

I saw their address in  a TJM (Aussie product) advert in Four Wheeler.

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see
http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:13:06 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bushed

Clayton Kirkwood is having trouble with his spring/frame bushings.  How 
unusual.  ;-)

Use the hacksaw, but as this will naturally cut a little deeper at either 
end than in the middle, I take a small 1/4" cold chisel and peel up the 
edges as I go.  After you've peeled up a bit of the shell and collapsed ti 
towards the center, you can usually get a good grip on it with needle-nosed 
vise (mole) gips and twist it out.

As to refitting the bushings, I've made a special tool.  Buy an inexpensive 
1/2" drive socket the same size as the outer shell.  Weld a .401" pointed 
Parker shank tool into the middle.  (This keeps your new "special tool" 
centered in the inner diameter.)  Fire up the compressor and the air hammer, 
lube the bushing and hole and you can refit the bush in *under two seconds*.  
Occasionally, I have removed bushings with this tool, but most of the time 
they have to be dynamited out.

Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:13:09 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Hella Headlights

Pat wrote:

>Does anyone know of a source for Genuine Hella H-4 Headlamps in the US?
>I am looking for the standard 7 inch diameter....

J.C. Whitless sells the 7" Hella 'Vision Plus' bulbs.  RN and EuroParts have 
them as well.  I titted them in the 88" to replace the *original* Lucas 
lamps which only served to warn oncoming traffic that a vehicle was actually 
on the road.  I was amazed at what I could see....

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 00:09:57 +0000
From: "Matthew J. Clement" <matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk>
Subject: UK-Style License Plates For Sale

As I have been overwhelmed with requests for UK Number Plates, I figured
I would make a quick public posting so that anyone who is interested can
get back to me about getting plates.  I've spoken with a local motor
factor in town and am able to provide anyone who wishes with UK-style
license plates.  

The price, inclusive of tax and shipping to any US destination, will be
$28/single plate, $45/front and rear.

You can choose between new style plates:

  Front: White plates with black letters
  Rear:  Yellow plates with black letters

Or old style plates:

  Front: Black plates with silver letters
  Rear:  Black plates with silver letters

To be technically correct, old-style plates can only be fitted to
pre-1973 vehicles, but I think that they look much nicer than the new
plates.

Additionally, plates can be either long rectangular (all letters on one
line) or square (two lines).

All plates are pressed aluminium, and are shipped in bubble-wrap.  I
will also include a GB-oval sticker and "Drive on the left" arrow with
any order.

If you are interested in adding a bit of character to your Land Rover,
please e-mail me with your desired lettering and format.  I am able to
accept personal cheques payable to:

  MATTHEW J CLEMENT
  SOUTH FALFIELD FARM COTTAGE
  BY LEVEN, FIFE KY8 5PJ
  SCOTLAND

I am not making a profit out of this (well, only enough for a pint of
beer!) and am merely providing a service to other enthusiasts.  Drop me
a line if you have any questions.

-- Matthew Clement
   matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk

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From: "bos" <bos@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: UK-Style License Plates For Sale
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:21:30 -0500

What numbers and or letters are on the plates?
Can these be choosen?

----------
> From: Matthew J. Clement <matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
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> -- Matthew Clement
>    matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk

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From: BigAlSk8r@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:01:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Help!!!!! 2 1/4 petrol engine

What do you do with a motor that needs an over-haul because of worn/damaged
cylinders but has allready had .060'' over pistons installed?  Any one have a
reasonable {ie. inexpensive}  solution?  any used motors {2a/3} available?
Please let me know, Thanks, Allan      BigAlSk8r@aol.com   73' S111 88'' -
''Belle''   66'S11 109'' - ''Matilda''

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:10:31 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Electrical shorts

Having owned my 1973 Series III since new, it's always interesting to
discover a new problem and the solution, so I thought I'd pass on something
I learned over the weekend.  I'm well aware of the reputation of British
automotive electrics, but I've actually never had a single electrical
problem with my Series III in 24 years until a couple of months ago.  I
turned on the windshield wipers and nothing happened.  A quick check showed
that the fuse under the steering column had blown.  Installing a new fuse
solved the problem, but a day or so later I discovered that the fuse had
blown again.  This fuse carries three circuits: the wipers, the brake
lights, and the backup lights.  The seemingly random blowing of the fuse
went on for a couple of weeks.  I changed the brake light bulbs and the
backup light bulbs just to be sure they weren't the cause.  They weren't.

FInally, as I was backing the vehicle out of the garage one night with the
headlights on, I noticed that the lights dimmed for a moment when I
selected reverse.  A quick check of the wiper switch showed that the fuse
had blown again.  So now I had the problem narrowed down to the reverse
lamp circuit.  For the next couple of weeks I pulled the fuse whenever I
had to back up, which saved the fuse but was an annoying thing to have to
remember to do.  Finally this weekend, I got around to removing the
floorboards and troubleshooting the problem.  I assumed I would find a
faulty reverse lamp switch on the transmission, but a quick check with a
continuity meter showed the switch to be fine.

As I wiped the dirt and oil off the wiring running to and from the switch I
discovered the problem.  Twenty-four years of heat and dirt had hardened
the sleeve around the wire that runs from the switch to the wiring harness
that enters the frame to go to the rear of the vehicle.  This loop of wire
had become pinned against the bell housing.  A section of the petrified
sleeve had split open and allowed the wire inside (it's the green and brown
one if you're interested) to rub against the transmission until the
insulation wore off.  The result was a dead short almost every time I
selected reverse.  The fuse would blow, and I'd lose the wipers and brake
lights.

The fix was easy: a new piece of insulation and some wire ties to keep the
reverse lamp wire from getting pinned against the bell housing.  So if you
ever have fuses blowing for mysterious causes, don't forget the obvious
check of the exposed wiring under the vehicle to make sure it isn't
touching something where vibration can wear off the insulation and cause a
continuous or intermittent short.   Your problem could be as simple to
solve as mine was.

_________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:20:24 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Help!!!!! 2 1/4 petrol engine

At 01:01 97-04-16 -0400, you wrote:
-
>What do you do with a motor that needs an over-haul because of worn/damaged
>cylinders but has allready had .060'' over pistons installed?  Any one have a
-reasonable {ie. inexpensive}  solution?  any used motors {2a/3} available?
>Please let me know, Thanks, Allan      BigAlSk8r@aol.com   73' S111 88'' -
>''Belle''   66'S11 109'' - ''Matilda''
-
>Please let me know, Thanks, Allan      BigAlSk8r@aol.com   73' S111 88'' -
-
You can put new sleeves in the engine. Call Charlie at RN. 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Tips...yesterday's & today's
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 07:39:38 +0200 (MET DST)

|  > Oh come on, you own a Land Rover, and you're worried about a little
|  > gasoline/diesel smell?  8^)
|  I like to think of it as Chanel No. (87, 89 or 93 depending) for men

Think it depends more on the wheelbase. Perhaps with an added p or d.....
Franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: oboskyr@mail.interquest.de
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:25:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Mystery vibration.

> My 1966 '88 diesel has recently developed a mystery vibration. It begins
> at approx. 20 mph increases & then disappears at approx. 30 mph.
> Otherwise all seems well, with no obvious ill effect. Has anyone any
> ideas as to what the possible cause is ?

The first thing I would look at would be all four U-joints to see if they're 
sloppy and worn, and then look at the driveshafts to make sure they're
kosher as well.

Cheers

Reggie O

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:29:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Mystery vibration.

Re: Mystery vibration:

Check your universal joints - odds are one of them's gone bad.

Honestly, at $9.95 each at an auto-parts shop, just change all 4 - you'll
sleep better.

                         ajr

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