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1 QROVER80@aol.com 20Re: Series I value in the US
2 "Matthew P. Martin" [mat18SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
3 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo21Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
4 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us16Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
5 Michel Bertrand [mbertra48Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
6 Adrian Redmond [channel670Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
7 Tony Treace [ATREACE@has25109 SW 'B-Post' Needed
8 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo13Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
9 Tony Treace [ATREACE@has28RE: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
10 Erik van Dyck [erikvandy14Re: Spark Plugs
11 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M12Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
12 Tony Treace [ATREACE@has34FW: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
13 Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com 9Land Rover mailing list.
14 "P Burgers" [PBURGERS@CP7
15 "P Burgers" [PBURGERS@CP7
16 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi23Re: diesel injectors, again
17 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us12Re: Land Rover mailing list.
18 Adrian Redmond [channel638Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
19 empire-lrc-owner@Land-Ro60Announcing the Empire Rover Owners Society
20 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet30Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh
21 nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Ni28Re: Anthony Sanna's Spark Questions
22 NADdMD@aol.com 25Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh
23 NADdMD@aol.com 15Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh
24 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv18Re: bfg tires
25 "niels josephsen" [niels44[not specified]
26 clantoc@ebs.ac.com (Chri33Hertz or not exactly.
27 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet28Indicators was Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh
28 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi18Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?
29 David Cockey [dcockey@ti36Re: Series I value in the US (& RR engines)
30 David Cockey [dcockey@ti19Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale (SIIs)
31 lenny@fof.coracle.com (L28Ser III speedo...
32 lenny@fof.coracle.com (L30Slick 50 ???????
33 Land_Rovers@learnlink.em11Re: Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?
34 Sanna@aol.com 25Re: Anthony Sanna's Spark Questions
35 rover@pinn.net (Alexande29Pluggin' along
36 Michel Bertrand [mbertra36Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale (SIIs)
37 Land_Rovers@learnlink.em16Re: Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?
38 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr18Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh
39 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec45RE: Zenith Dieseling?
40 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec44Re: Zenith Dieseling?
41 "Christian Lester." [cle136.50 Firestone SAT for sale.


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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series I value in the US

It definitely sounds interesting. We NEED more details to figure out just
what it is. I have a sinking feeling that it might be a licence built J**P
:-(
 BTW what carb is on the Rolls Royce engined variants?
Value.........? 
In "good" ( a term open to endless debate ) condition "normal" S1 SWB's seem
to be worth about $4500 everyone loves them BUT no one seems to want to drive
them as an everyday driver. :-(  You see lots of folks ASKING more, BUT are
they selling them ?
S1 LWB pickups seem to be worth a little more. The 107 SW's I don't know, I
have never seen a nice one for sale, in this country or the UK
I love S1's , the 80" being my favorite :-), but I have just about given up
on importing them for they are hard to sell :-(
Rgds Quintin

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:10:09 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

I have located a series II 109 RHD that is completly rusted...needs alot 
of TLC.  I do not know if it runs, or if its a diesel. However it has a 
history to it as a vehicle used in a National Geographic exposay (sp?) 
for the Lock Ness, an expedition in Isreal, and something somewhere else.

The seller has no idea what he has....and is taking offers, I say $2000. 
top end...I'm offering $800. and seeing if he will take the bait.

Is this reasonable? Am I in the ballpark?  What do ya all think?

Thanks in advance

PS - no I have never bought an old Rover, I'm a coil head!!

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:27:01 -0400
Subject: Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

Re: Rusted-out Rover:

How long has it been since it's been run?

Frankly, if the chassis and bulkhead are rusted-out and the engine and
powertrain haven't been run in many years, the $800 is on the high side -
I'd lean more to $500 or thereabouts.

Considering I just paid that for a IIa 88 with repairable chassis and
bulkhead that runs well...

Where is this beast anyway? We might be able to round you up an experienced
leaf-springer to have a look...

                         aj"If it's around Boston, I'll go..."r

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 8:31:20 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

Going on the assumption that the frame and running gear need replacing, 
and the engine and transmission need rebuilding, I'd say that you're left 
with a body, and it probably needs bulkhead repair and door frame repair.
This is just a guess, but I'd say $800 is just right for a 109 safri top, 
rear door, tub, wings and bonnet.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:36:05 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

At 08:10 97-04-09 -0700, you wrote:

>I have located a series II 109 RHD that is completly rusted...needs alot 
-of TLC.  I do not know if it runs, or if its a diesel. However it has a 
>history to it as a vehicle used in a National Geographic exposay (sp?) 
>for the Lock Ness, an expedition in Isreal, and something somewhere else.

-The seller has no idea what he has....and is taking offers, I say $2000. 
>top end...I'm offering $800. and seeing if he will take the bait.
>for the Lock Ness, an expedition in Isreal, and something somewhere else.
-Is this reasonable? Am I in the ballpark?  What do ya all think?
>top end...I'm offering $800. and seeing if he will take the bait.
-
I would think that the top-end would be close to what you initially offered.
It is fairly easy to justify that price. Just bring a RN catalog along. You
need a new frame, springs, shocks, swivel balls, brake
lines-shoes-cylinders-clutch, gas-tank, etc...

The engine could be seized. Even if it ain't the Ser II variant is not the
most desirable. 

Lastly, it is a RHD. It does have a charm to it, but if I had a choice, I
would take a LHD. 

Don't go over 1000$ is my advice. There are still plenty of wrecks. The Nada
I located two days ago has a broken frame, seized engine but is complete.
The guy wants 2,500$ Can for it. No go, just way out of the price range for
a dead 109. 

Depending on where you are located, it could be interesting to look for a
109 in Canada, where everything is still frozen today. Yes, the speedos are
in MPH. 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:44:10 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Simon Atkinson wrote:

  The thing with exhaust pipes is,  that they actually rot from the
  inside
  out.  Outside they are attacked by water spray and mud,  but inside
  they
  are attacked by many acids and other nasties in the exhaust gasses.

  IMHO painting the outside of the pipes will not make them last any
  longer
  at all. Well maybe an hour or two!

  The only answer to avoid buying a new system every two or three
  years is to
  fit stainless steel systems.

  > Date: 9 April 1997 08:05
  > From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
  > Subject: Exhaust pipe preservation
  >
  > A month or so back I posted a question regarding painting exhaust
  pipes
  to
  > prevent corrosion; well at the weekend I got round to trying this
  and
  used
  > Hammerite on the rear section of my 110's exhaust. Result of the
  experiment
  > is that it doesn't work, Hammerite can't stand the heat, and that
  was
  only a
  > 10 mile run. So if you see a grey 110 in Edinburgh this evening
  with
  smoke
  > billowing from underneath it's me!

 I used to think that too Simon! - but several years ago I painted bot
by exhaust systems with high temp. paint and last week, when I cleaned
them for a respray, I could easily see that they rust from the outside.
On the pipes, especially nearer the manifold where it's hot, the old
paint had finally disappeared in some places, especially where
suspension brackets touch the pipe - at these points the pipes were
visibly thinner - except where the bracket was around the pipe - this
area was thicker.

I have 2 land rovers and one tractor, all of which have manifold and
exhauset painted in this way, and my consumption of replacements has
fallen dramatically - so for me - it works!

--
Adrian Redmond

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: 109 SW  'B-Post' Needed
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:53:01 -0700
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Good morning everyone.

I'm looking for a left side 'B-Post' (vertical post between the two 
drivers side doors) for a 1966 109 SW. I was about to order the whole 
door frame assembly (aka 'T-Frame'), p/n  ALR5315 , but decided to 
give this a shot. I don't need the whole assembly, mine is basically 
rust-free, but with slightly bent 'B-Post'. If anyone has a good 
'B-Post' on an otherwise rusty door frame, please let me know. 
Thanks.

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

1966 109 SW  "The Rover"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:51:05 -0400
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Adrian Redmond says:

>I have 2 land rovers and one tractor

How can you tell them apart? 8*)

     aj"3 tractors - 2 Rover type and one lawn..."R

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:08:46 -0700

>----------
>From: 	Matthew P. Martin[SMTP:matt@webspan.net]
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>I have located a series II 109 RHD that is completly rusted...needs alot 
>of TLC.  I do not know if it runs, or if its a diesel. 

>The seller has no idea what he has....and is taking offers, I say $2000. 
>top end...I'm offering $800. and seeing if he will take the bait.
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>original, rust-free truck that ran OK, but with the usual dings and dents.
(It did need a COMPLETE brake system, though.) Even included a Warn
M8274 and lots of free ammunition of various calibers rattling around in
every nook and cranny.

Hope this helps,

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

>The seller has no idea what he has....and is taking offers, I say $2000. 
>top end...I'm offering $800. and seeing if he will take the bait.
>FWIW, last spring I paid $2500 for my 1966 109SW. Basically a totally

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:12:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

I appreciate the response to my request for the correct spark plug for my
2.25l 1973 Ser. III.  So far two votes for Champion RN14YC  and one for
Champion RN11YC.  That averages out to RN12YC - which is what I have in
there now.  I didn't include the Bosch WR9DC in the calculation as I am
unsure of the exchange rate :).
cheers,
 erik
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:22:13 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Adrian Redmond says:
>>I have 2 land rovers and one tractor
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>>I have 2 land rovers and one tractor
>How can you tell them apart? 8*)
Easy.The tractor's the fast one......
Mike Rooth

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: FW: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:27:57 -0700
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From: 	Tony Treace
Sent: 	Wednesday, April 09, 1997 9:08 AM
Subject: 	RE: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

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From: 	Matthew P. Martin[SMTP:matt@webspan.net]
Sent: 	Wednesday, April 09, 1997 11:10 AM
Subject: 	SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

FWIW, last spring I paid $2500 for my 1966 109SW. Basically a totally 
original, rust-free truck that ran OK, but with the usual dings and 
dents. (It did need a COMPLETE brake system, though.) Even included a 
Warn M8274 and lots of free ammunition of various calibers rattling 
around in every nook and cranny.
Hope this helps,

Tony Treace
atreace@hasimons.com

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Wed,  9 Apr 1997 09:28:15, -0500
Subject: Land Rover mailing list.

Hello All   I can not seem to send mail to the Rover list.  What is 
the correct address to post a note.
  thanks  john

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:55:05 +0200
Subject:       

unsubscribe za-lro

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:55:59 +0200
Subject:       

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:55:40 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: diesel injectors, again

> Sorry,
> but I think you all got victims of my faulty vocabulary yesterday. 
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> Hope I didn't get on your nerves too much...
> Franz

Don't worry, it was as clear as mud.
$100 just to fit the new injectors? I'm *definately* in the wrong 
business. And to think I thought labor was high here.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:32:08 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Land Rover mailing list.

This one

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:45:25 -0700
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
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Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:&nbsp;

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<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; aj&quot;3 tractors - 2 Rover type and one lawn...&quot;R
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I stand corrected - THREE TRACTORS - I must be able to tell them apart
- the Ferguson is grey, has no cab, runs on petrol - but the easiest clue
is to look between the wheels - if the floor underneath is red and clean,
it's a Ferguson.&nbsp;
<BR>
<BR>Other clues - exhaust points upwards on ferguson and drivers seat is more
comfortable - unless it's been raining and I forgot to put the paper sack
on the seat, then I sit down, and get a wet tractor-seat like feeling in
the butt!
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<BR>I do miss the seperate Left and Right brakes when ploughing with my 88&quot;
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From: empire-lrc-owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Date: Wed Apr  9 11:55:57 EDT 1997 -0500
Subject: Announcing the Empire Rover Owners Society

               Announcing the Empire Rover Owners Society

                      (aka Empire, aka E.R.O.S.)

A number of the usual suspects, (basically a bunch of Land Rover
anoraks who like to slog through the mud, have rover fun and then party
afterwards), determined that we needed to form our very own club, and
you are welcome to join !

The Empire Rover Owners Society members are loosely centered about the
the Hudson and Mohawk River Valleys, along the Erie Canal, and  the
Long Island Sound, (which is to say all over the great state of New
York, the Empire State), though we have members from the Potomac River
Valley to Ottawa Valley.  We're not going to stop there, as the Empire
Rover Owners Society, we've got that imperialist thing on our side, and
we're out to conquer the world.

Empire has no intention to throw a huge periodic events; our members
are far too busy attending other clubs events and hosting informal
local gatherings.  See our web page at

	http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/Empire/

for the latest news, calendar of events and stories of previous events.

After a meticulous survey of our present members was conducted, Empire
came to the conclusion that we all really liked the monthly OVLR
newsletter.  Thus eschewing liability, deadlines and printing costs,
EROS has thus proclaimed that the OVLR newsletter is the official
newletter of the Empire Rover Owners Society.

At present the Empire has not yet levied any taxes on the membership.

To join the Empire Rover Owners Society, subscribe to our mailing list 
by sending a message TO:

	majordomo@land-rover.team.net

 with the text

	subscribe empire-lrc

If you have any questions about Empire, write to us at

	empire@land-rover.team.net

Cheers,
	E.R.O.S.

PS: Origin of phrase  'the Empire state'

	In 1784, during a tour of the State's harbors, waterways and
	fertile interior, George Washington referred to New York as the
	"Seat of Empire."

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:15:59 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh

First off thanks again to all who provided input on
Mathilda's hesitation problem.

Here's the status.  I drove her in to work today along
the same route/distance that produced problems and every
thing seems to be working great (75mph on the freeway, keeping
with the flow on climbs (60-65mph), good power on hill climbs,
no hesitation, smooth idle ... well almost smooth :), no
dieseling on shutoff .. instant engine stop when the ignition
is turned off) .. :) 
Watch out Hippo :)

I'm not entirely certain what caused the problem, but I very
strongly suspect POOR CARB SETTING ON MY PART.  I can't be 
certain of this but every other component and option checked
out OK and taking the carb apart and resetting everything
seems to have solved the problem.  So looks like I'm the fault
(duh).

So now on to the next issue ... why the heck don't my indicators
work even though the @#)(& LUCAS flasher sounds like it's working? :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:48:23 -0500
From: nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Nick Fankhauser)
Subject: Re: Anthony Sanna's Spark Questions

Hi Again-

When I read Larry Matthews' reply, I realized that I may not have read
carefully which plate Tony was referring to. I was thinking that the points
were loose *on* the plate, not that the plate itself was loose. I believe
Larry is correct- the base plate should have some ability to rotate,
although it shouldn't be really loose. My distributor has vaccum advance to
rotate the plate, and I suppose it may also have a mechanical advance
mechanism below that I haven't noticed- (I've seen distibutors with both
before!) If you have a bulbous thing with a vaccuum line attached hanging on
the side of your distributor, then you probably have vaccum advance. If the
bulbous thing is missing, then it's probably mechanical- with the weights
that Larry described.

The way to test this for problems would be to make sure that it *only*
rotates- no side to side motion allowed! it shouldn't rotate more than a few
degrees either, and when you let go, it should return to its original
position, regardless of whether it is mechanical or vacuum advance.

-NickF
___________________________________________________________________
Nick Fankhauser      | Wayne County Information Systems Department
nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:20:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh

In a message dated 97-04-09 12:20:25 EDT, you write:

<< So now on to the next issue ... why the heck don't my indicators
 work even though the @#)(& LUCAS flasher sounds like it's working? :)
  >>

The choices as I see it are:
1. Bad grounds
2. Bad grounds
3. All the bulbs are burnt out (and bad grounds)
4. Bad grounds

Check the ground wires for each of the indicator lights and if they're ok
then check the indicator switch.

Good Luck

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:25:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh

In a message dated 97-04-09 13:24:05 EDT, you write:

<< Check the ground wires for each of the indicator lights and if they're ok
 then check the indicator switch.
  >>

Indicator switch ground, that is : )

Nate

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: bfg tires

I think both BFG and Uniroyal are owned by Michelin.

Cheers

John

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:

> Hi,
> Sorry for the cross post and maybe it is common knowledge, but I just went
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> something????
> Clayton

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 22:07:42 +0200
From: "niels josephsen" <nielsj@ibm.net>

Mi i am the proud owner of an 109 with the 2.6  6cyl engine =

It has some time ago developed a rateling sound a little like a diesel bu=
t harder =

and only below 1000 rpm and it vanishes completely above 1100 rpm.
The engine runs great at all other conditions. =

The sound seems to come from where the distributor is placed between cyl =
4 and 5. =

The frequenzy follows the rpm. It is just slower (aprox half the rate).
The sound has now been there for all most 20.000 km without any change. =

The following has been done to find the sound:
The distributor and the axle are changed, all the way to the oil pump.
All valves and rocker arms have been checked, even with the engine runnin=
g with =

valve covers off.
The cylindre head has been changed twice (it was leaking water anyway)

What is on the list next.
Timning Chain (even when the sound don't seem to come from there)
Oil pump (even when the oil press is very good)

I hope someone can help me solve this problem.

Please reply diretly to nielsj@ibm.net

________      Landrover 109       I                   Company car (from n=
ew)
I__][_[_\__   1976 S III 2.6      I           __      MINI Pickup
I___\_I_]__]  6 cyl  12 seats     I       ___I__\_    1972   1275
  (o)   (o)   Daily Driver        I       Io-i--ioI   Drives daily
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

Niels Josephsen   Dalstr=F8get 105. DK-2860 Soeborg  tlf +45 31562001 =

nielsj@ibm.net

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:32:15 -0500
From: clantoc@ebs.ac.com (Chris Clanton - Via)
Subject: Hertz or not exactly.

I have been lurking in the background of this list off
and on for the last six months or so.  About two months ago,
I took the plunge.  A 1970 IIa 88".  Its currently in
Panama under the care of my father in law, but plans
are underway to get it "home" to Minnesota within the
next 6-8 weeks.

My question revolves around the value of genuine LR parts
versus after-markets.  From a mechanical stand point,
I am pretty much sold on the value of genuine LR, but how
about in other areas?  In the short term, my focus is on
aquiring some 16" rims, but not long after visions of
body panels, seats, headliner, front bumper, etc.,
will be dancing in my head.  Anybody have any sage advice as
I begin this restoration adventure (besides doubling my
budget!)?  When is it worth the extra?

Thanks in advance.

-cjc  Proud owner of Merrell (1970 88" IIA)

               
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Christopher J.  Clanton  +   e-mail:	clantoc@ebs.ac.com
+ Andersen Consulting      +   Work:	(612) 317-7523
+ 333 South Seventh St.    +   Fax:	(612) 317-7575
+ Minneapolis, MN 55402    +   
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:52:27 -0700
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Indicators was Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh

Bob and Sue Bernard wrote:
> snip
> Do you mean directionals? Did they ever work after the new wiring change?

Yes and yes.

> I didn't expect the flasher to go without lamps.
> Normally the 2 wire standard duty flasher goes funny (Like in faster when a
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> resistance as in wrong bulbs. or
> ?misinstalled wiring so the wrong filament is trying to light?

All wiring is installed correctly and the bulbs are the standard LR
bulbs.  They do flash occasionally.

I suspect a poor connection followed by Nate's suggestion of ground as 
a second most likely.

Maybe I should also switch to a heavy duty flasher.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:22:59 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?

Is there an aftermarket clutch disk to fit a SIII? I believe a 
particular Volvo disk will, but I don't remember which and I expect 
it would cost nearly as much as an OEM disk.
Any US car disks?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:25:47 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Series I value in the US (& RR engines)

Quinton is also intrigued about the mysterious "SI"
> It definitely sounds interesting. We NEED more details to figure out just
> what it is. I have a sinking feeling that it might be a licence built J**P
> :-(
>  BTW what carb is on the Rolls Royce engined variants?

The Rolls-Royce B40 engine used a side-draft Solex type 40 carb. The B40
engines appear to be a cross flow design with the carb/intake on one
side and exhaust on the other. BTW, Pat Ware in "Quarter Ton" argues
that the 34 SIs modified with B40 engines in 1949 were done so to serve
as test beds for the engine, not as prototypes for future production.
The engine was then under development for use in the proposed
FV1800/Champ. Ware emphatically states "there is absolutely no
documentary evidence thet there was ever any intention to produce
B40-engined 'Land Rovers' in quantity. These vehicles were test beds for
the engine and nothing more."

While several B40 engined SIs still exist, I doubt the vehicle in
question is one. The engines were a tight squeeze, and a hole was cut in
the hood for the radiator cap.

Jeeps: All jeep engines used downdraft carbs to the best of my
knowledge. Also, all photos of license built Jeeps I have seen look like
the US built versions.

Another unlikely possibility: an early Land Cruiser.

Please tell us more!

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:33:36 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale (SIIs)

Michel writes:
> The engine could be seized. Even if it ain't the Ser II variant is not the
> most desirable. 

I probably should be offended at the suggestion that SIIs are not the
most desirable. Yes a few (and only a few) parts are tougher to find,
but they also have uniqueness. Besides, a description which can't
differentiate between petrol and diesel many not fully appreciate the
subtleties which distinguish a SII from a SIIA.

Regards,
David Cockey
1960 SII 88 SW
1960 SII 88 PU

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 08 Apr 97 22:41:29 +0000
Subject: Ser III speedo...

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)

The speedo on my ser III shows the speed ok, but the mileometer and trip 
meter doesn't work.

Any ideas on reparing it???? 
 
Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  10/4
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel        "LURCH"         ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... The difference between light and hard is that you can sleep with light
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 08 Apr 97 22:18:18 +0000
Subject: Slick 50 ???????

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)

Has anyone used Slick 50 or Excel-Lube in their Landies???? It's the 
Teflon additive!

Any drawbacks to it???? 

What about in the gearbox, transfer-box, diffs or overdrive?????

Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  9/4
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel        "LURCH"         ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... Smoke me a kipper, lro@land-rover.team.net; I'll be back for breakfast.
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?

clutch disc from a 57 chevy will fit - you might have to grind off a
little of the nose om the flywheel side (only about 1/16") to clear the
Land Rover pilot bushing - should be able to pick one of these up for
around $20 at any auto parts store - even heavy duty - just make sure
you take your old one in to compare with the new one

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:18:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Anthony Sanna's Spark Questions

>When I read Larry Matthews' reply, I realized that I may not have read
>carefully which plate Tony was referring to. I was thinking that the points
>were loose *on* the plate, not that the plate itself was loose. I believe
>Larry is correct- the base plate should have some ability to rotate,
>although it shouldn't be really loose.

>From what I understand from Kyle, the points & condensor are fixed to the 
plate well, but that the plate has some non-rotational movement to it.  
>From Kyle's phone description, looking straight down on the distributor 
it does have the normal clockwise rotation, but it also moves north-south 
as well.

The dist on a IIa has both mechanical & vacumn advance.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:40:25 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Pluggin' along

After Erik Van Dyck asked, Mike Johnson wrote

>The Champion is an RN14YC...If you are going to replace the plugs then get
>some plugs that fire consistently to start with i.e not Champion.

Uhh...I think that's RN*12*YC.  And for the Bosch 'Platinum'...save your 
coin.  These things make it *harder* to start in cold weather.  Charlie at 
RN doesn't like 'em and after a year or two, I went back to the Champions.

FWIW...95% of the spark plugs in the western world start in Buckingham 
County, Virginia within sight of Penlan Farm, site of the Mid-Atlantic 
Rally. Nearby Willis Mountain is one of the few sources for "kyanite," an 
ore that is mined to make the insulating 'porcelain' part.  The 40 tons of 
sand we have hauled in to creat the sand pit is actually spent, processed 
ore.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:53:21 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: SII-109 RHD 5 door 4 sale (SIIs)

At 18:33 97-04-09 -0400, you wrote:
>Michel writes:>> The engine could be seized. Even if it ain't the Ser II

-variant is not the
>> most desirable. 
>I probably should be offended at the suggestion that SIIs are not the
-most desirable. Yes a few (and only a few) parts are tougher to find,
>but they also have uniqueness. Besides, a description which can't
>differentiate between petrol and diesel many not fully appreciate the
-subtleties which distinguish a SII from a SIIA.
>Regards,
>differentiate between petrol and diesel many not fully appreciate the
-David Cockey
>1960 SII 88 SW
>1960 SII 88 PU
-
>1960 SII 88 SW
Good point. But if I had the choice between a Ser II and a Ser IIA, in the
same condition, specs, and price, I would go for the IIA. If you like Ser
II's, there is a chap in Northern Quebec who has about 19 of them for sale.
He's only asking 11,000$ Can for them. 

Salutations, 
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:05:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Aftermarket SIII clutch disk?

standard passenger car 57 chevy - 10-1/2" clutch disc - the way I found
this out was about twenty years ago when I carted a used clutch disc to
the local shop that rebuilt & relined these things -I laid it up on the
counter and said I need something that looks just like this - the parts
guy said looks like a chevy part and came out with a replacement that
fit perfectly - some of these have a longer nose piece on the side
opposite the spring plate that needs to be ground down just a bit -
hold it up to your flywheel before fitting up the pressure plate to
check the clearance - it's all I've used since and it's a lot cheaper
than the Land Rover part (genuine or not)

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:00:20 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Mathilda's Hesitation /Dieseling - part Duh

At 01:20 PM 4/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>So now on to the next issue ... why the heck don't my indicators
>work even though the @#)(& LUCAS flasher sounds like it's working? :)

Probably, they work fine, but all the red-light-running,
got-their-license-from-a-box-of-crackerjacks, brainless nitwits on 80 & 24
think that they mean they're not supposed to let you in...  (Can you guess
why I take bart?)  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:23:18 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith Dieseling?

>>Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 17:01:18 -0700
>>From: Jeremy John Bartlett <Sbartlett@slip.net>
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>>Why would a large PCV leak allow dieseling?  Is the airflow eased to
>>the extent that it draws small amount of gasoline from the carb.?

For what it's worth, I removed most of the emissions equipment from my
Series III-88 not long after I bought it new in 1973, including the
exaust gas return valve and the annoying vacuum solenoid that retarded
the rate of engine deceleration when you took your foot off the gas.
The only item still on the engine is the breather valve that sends
crankcase fumes to the carburetor.  I assume this is the PCV valve
you're talking about.

At one point, the diaphram inside the valve that operates the non-return
mechanism wore out and tore, so I replaced the whole valve.  If you
disconnect the valve, you will allow a lot more air to flow through the
carburetor which I suppose would account for your idle increase.
Blocking the valve intake will reduce the volume of air, or vapors, that
are flowing from the crankcase to the carburetor, so it would make sense
that your idle would drop.  I think.  I'm not an automotive engineer.
But I shouldn't think the crankcase breather valve, if that's what you
are in fact referring to, should affect the dieseling unless it's
leaking and letting too much air into the carburetor, in which case you
might get backfiring as well.

Check the hose elbow that runs from the bottom of the valve to the
carburetor body.  Mine split when it got old, but I didn't know it until
I removed the valve and hose during a routine carb overhaul.  As I have
for years now used a switch to operate the anti-dieseling solenoid to
stop the engine instead of turning off the key, I have no idea if the
leaking hose elbow would have caused the engine to dieselt.  Since
installing the manual solenoid switch, the engine has never dieseled
once.

_________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:33:38 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith Dieseling?

>>From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
>>Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 07:16:58 EST
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>>>after shut off (1-3 seconds worth).  Any ideas on solving
>>>his?

I don't know which model Land Rover you have, but the ones sent to the
US in 1973 and 1974 had a rudimentary emission system on them that
included a special version of the Zenith that had a solenoid cutoff
switch that blocks the idle port when the ignition is switched off.  You
can recognize these carburetors by the little cylindrical solenoid
sticking out of the right front corner of the carburetor body.  The idle
on these Land Rovers was set at about 800 rpm to meet the emission
specs.  At that speed, dieseling could be quite a problem if the cutoff
solenoid wasn't working properly.  Non-emission Land Rovers are supposed
to idle at about 500 rpm which helps eliminate the dieseling problem.

At one point, I installed a non-solenoid Zenith on my 1973 Series III
when the original carburetor developed the famous Zenith warp.  The
engine would almost always diesel a two or three times when I shut it
down.  After using a Rochester for a couple of years (with no dieseling
problems) I went back to a solenoid version of the Zenith and the
problem more or less went away.  It would still diesel occasionally, and
this is quite hard on the engine.

I finally solved the problem once and for all by running the solenoid
from a small switch I installed on the instrument panel.  To shut off
the engine, I simply let it come to idle and flip the switch.  The motor
shuts off right away when the idle port is blocked and there is no
dieseling whatsoever.

Your problem also could be caused by too high an idle speed or
combustion chambers containing a lot of carbon deposits.

_________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:31:20 +0100
From: "Christian Lester." <clester@ibm.net>
Subject: 6.50 Firestone SAT for sale.

Hi,

I've got one brand new unused 6.50 SAT for sale. I am in the UK, in
Liverpool, so get in touch if interested.

Kind regards,

Christian.

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