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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:56:31 +0200
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Gearbox desaster in the Alps

Hello to all out there!

I spent a week with my family and our LR (SIIA 109 SW Diesel) in the Alps

When driving uphill in 2nd high the gearbox decided to emulate a coffee 
grinder. A quick test resulted in:
2nd emulates coffee grinder
3rd emulates coffee grinder
1st emulates idle
reverse emulates idle
4th works ! 

Fine! So it wasn't necessary to roll down about 2km from the hill to
our lodging without engine braking. 4rd low was fine.

The evening saw me 'fishing' with a magnet in the gearbox. There I found 
one part of this split ring holding the gearwheels (2nd, 3rd) on the 
layshaft in the correct position. 
Any (cheap) ideas why 1st and reverse don't work???? Let me know.

After finding out the price for being towed home I did it myself with 4rd
only. I used 4rd low to drive away and switched at about 20 km/h to high
(I have free wheel hubs, so it wasn't necessary to remove the front probshaft).
I never realized that I can use 4rd from 20 to 100km/h (ok, 85 most times).

Only up the Semmering needed 4rd low. 
I needed 4 hours for 330 km. Most was highway but there where some parts
where it wasn't possible to overtake (e.g. up the Semmering). Sorry if you
where behind me.

The next weekends well see me stripping the gearbox. Anyone with a working
but unneeded SII gearbox around vienna?

Happy rovering
 Peter

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:11:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: And Whilst We're on the Subject...

Now that I've decided to violate my all original landie with a GM motor, I'll
have a 2.6 for sale in parts or whole.  Anyone interested? As I no longer
have a boat to anchor, I have no use for it. Lord knows it has value. I've
spent the last 3 months looking for a 2.6 and pricing parts. 

Again, for those who haven't been keeping up. It's a euro six with a cracked
case, chipped crank and broken rod in cylinder six. Any takers?

Bill McDonald
301.277.4321
'69 109" Safari- "Beauty" soon to be defiled by the "Beast"
'66 MGB- Mom and Dad's Blue Car
'93 VW Eurovan- "Box o' Kids"
'96 VW Passat VR6- "Mom's Car that Dad had to Buy Because He Bough the Stupid
Land Rover with the Bad Motor and Mom Refuses to Drive the Eurovan" 
'

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Gearbox desaster in the Alps
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:15:25 +0200 (MET DST)

hallo peter,
| When driving uphill in 2nd high the gearbox decided to emulate a coffee 
| grinder. A quick test resulted in:
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| reverse emulates idle
| 4th works ! 
oh! sch...! klingt ja nicht fein. viel spass beim zerlegen.
du hast die zahnradkiste doch erst gemacht oder?

leider keine konstruktiven ratschl"age.

servus,
franz
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Gearbox desaster in the Alps
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:20:21 +0200 (MET DST)

Oups! Sorry, the Germany message was intended to go to Peter directly.
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:26:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Heated Front Windscreens

In a message dated 4/2/97 3:42:40 AM, you wrote:

>So if
>anyone is interested in electricaly heated front glass for his
>90/110/Defender please contact me directly at 100770.1655@Compuserve.com.
>They have those very fine wires like the new Discos or BMW's which are
>almost invisible.

OK, so the front screen has those ultra fine wires, (my 110 has the heated
screen) so why don't they do the rear door glass and the small windows either
side of the rear door like that? I've seen wires on the rear side glass of
RRs, but was puzzled by their not being connected to leads on both sides (to
finish the electrical circuit). Perhaps too many wires in glass would look &
feel like a toaster oven if too much voltage was applied?

pat
93 110

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From: "Hatcher,KD,NAT31,HATCHED3 M" <HATCHED3@BTLIP47.BT.CO.UK>
Subject: SIII 2.25 Petrol - Help with water pump vomiting
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:43:00 -0000

Hi All,

I have a curious problem with my SIII (1980) 2.25 petrol SWB. I am
unable
to convince it to keep the water in the cooling system. I'm sure this
isn't unique and I challenge anyone out there to come up with an answer!

Here's what I have done:

(1) On the first overheating and discharge of water on the ground
    (out the water pump overflow port) I checked the thermostat -
    it opened around 90 Celsius so I know it is working OK and not
    a thermostat problem (re-assembled and re-sealed).

(2) Drained the heater matrix and put a hose pipe on it to flush the
    whole system through for about 20 minutes. Mucho water is seen
    coming out of the top of the radiator where I had put a
    temporary pipe on. I reconnect everything up and run the system so
    that some heat is felt from the heater (but not much). I also left
    the radiator cap off whilst running it up so that any air-locks
    can work their way through. After doing this for another 20
    minutes, I switch off ... closely followed by about 1/2 a gallon
    of water going on the ground again (out the water pump overflow
    port).

(3) Presumed the pump was worn out and so replaced the water pump.
    On examination of the old pump with a local LR company, they
    said the pump insert was worn out. On replacement of the new
    water pump I repeated step (2). And again water keep coming out
    on the ground out the new pumps' overflow.

Ok, now I don't want to really have to go through this all over again as
it took ages to replace the pump. So, has anyone seen this
"water vomiting" before? Have I missed something here?

Regards to all,

Darren Hatcher
Work:  hatched3@boat.bt.com
Voice:(01473)644786 Fax:(01473)643019

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:56:04 +0100 (BST)
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  Front Salisbury's and Rear Steps

Richard writes:
>Just phoned Paddock's up for various bits. "can I have a drain plug for a
>front Salisbury". Of course, they don't exist. Doh!

        Don't 101s have a front Salisbury diff? They certainly have a
peculiar front axle, with the swivels being an integral part of the axle casing.

>Re. Rear steps. Has anyone tried fitting a rear step to a military x-member?
>The potential problem is the NATO tow hitch and the NATO trailer socket.

        Dixon-Bate make a good rear twin step (fixed, but well enough out of
the way)  which will fit between the x-member and the NATO hitch.

Tom
________________________________________________________________________
Thomas D.I. Stevenson			gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Project			Tel: 01475 530581
University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: SIII 2.25 Petrol - Help with water pump vomiting
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 13:59:57 BST

I've heard it said that you'd "expect the temperaure to increase a little
when you switch the engine off"  (by my father in fact). Not sure why,
but I guess the water pump has stopped, so the water has more time to
heat up.

With my super-sensitive temp. gauge (temporary for a year, but accurate to
0.1 degrees celsius! I do see a small increase in temp. - a few degrees,
perhaps 5 at the very most).

Also, if you run the radiator without the cap on, it won't pressurise,
therefore it will boil at a lower temp. than its meant to. Perhaps the cap
needs replacing?

Just some suggestions. It does sound odd.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

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> Work:  hatched3@boat.bt.com
> Voice:(01473)644786 Fax:(01473)643019

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re:  Front Salisbury's and Rear Steps
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 14:02:40 BST

> Richard writes:
> >Just phoned Paddock's up for various bits. "can I have a drain plug for a
> >front Salisbury". Of course, they don't exist. Doh!
>         Don't 101s have a front Salisbury diff? They certainly have a
> peculiar front axle, with the swivels being an integral part of the axle casing.

No idea. Can't even afford a 101, let alone have room for one! :-)
(but when I'm rich...)

> >Re. Rear steps. Has anyone tried fitting a rear step to a military x-member?
> >The potential problem is the NATO tow hitch and the NATO trailer socket.
>         Dixon-Bate make a good rear twin step (fixed, but well enough out of
> the way)  which will fit between the x-member and the NATO hitch.

Does it accound for the trailer socket? Is this the one Paddocks have
in their catalogue (not sure of the manufacturer)?

I don't mind a fixed one, but I think a side one should perhaps be flip-down.

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 with-nearly-complete-main-gearbox)

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:12:05 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: PTO Winch & Overdrive

At 21:28 97-04-01 -0800, you wrote:

>It's my understanding that driving a PTO winch is precisely the purpose of
>a bottom PTO as it only has output forward and in more or less the position
-of a more typical PTO designed for a winch.  I have a parts diagram of one
>around here somewhere.  I've always lusted for one of those--what LRO
>hasn't?  Understand they're pretty nearly unobtainium.
-
>Granny
>Redwood Valley
-
>Granny
-
I have the "Optional Equipment PArts Catalogue" dated Feb 1965 here and The
bottom Power-take-off unit exits rearwards. Was there a different unit
available that was exiting forward?

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Front Salisbury's and Rear Steps
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 14:37:52 BST

> Richard of the Gurkha writes:
> > Also, maybe need front steps, although I'm fine, but the passenger side 
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> passenger side step only when new or nearly new. It won't look odd
> unless someone is using a mirror to examine both sides at once.

True, I guess.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR with a nearly complete 'box)

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Date: 2 Apr 1997 08:49:02 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Wading Into the Plug Issue

In reference to the recent posts about the mysterious wading plug and its use,
I noticed that the primary purpose was never mentioned: If you're doing
pre-registration battle with the DOT/MOT/DMV types and you live in one of
those states/provinces/prefectures where the inspection is a thinly disguised 
mechanism for removing paid-for vehicles from our roadways, the wading plug is
a brilliant device for (very) temporarily hiding your rear main seal leak from
the inspectors.   

I actually put mine in while laying on my back in the DMV parking lot, and
passed the inspection (my second attempt).  What caused me to fail the first
attempt?  "Oil leak".  

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:00:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Car Transport

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, johnsonm@borg.com (myk) wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Ben,  I hear that Zippy's towing service is pretty good.  And Cheap!
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>Ben,  I hear that Zippy's towing service is pretty good.  And Cheap!

Only if you can find me a C-130 and you pay the fuel.  I'll kick in the flying 
free!  :)

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:00:47 -0500
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: Charging problems!!

I think you hit the nail on the head...  This is exactly what happened when
my alt/voltage reg failed.  My lights had never been so bright, and my
wipers worked on low ( which they never did b4) setting.  Then nothing
worked,  Ahh the Prince of Darkness stikes again.

Mike Johnson

<SNIP>
>The only thing I can think of is that while at highwaymy speeds the newly
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>becauase this is what goes to the charge warning lamp to turn it off and
>on.  Hence my theory that maybe the dynamo blew out!?

74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  everyone's gettin some
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:13:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Charging problems!!

In a message dated 97-04-02 10:43:46 EST, you write:

<< I think you hit the nail on the head...  This is exactly what happened
when
 my alt/voltage reg failed.  My lights had never been so bright, and my
 wipers worked on low ( which they never did b4) setting.  Then nothing
 worked,  Ahh the Prince of Darkness stikes again.
 
 Mike Johnson
 
 <SNIP>
 >The only thing I can think of is that while at highwaymy speeds the newly
 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
 >becauase this is what goes to the charge warning lamp to turn it off and
 >on.  Hence my theory that maybe the dynamo blew out!? >>

The other possibility is that the wiring harness to the dynamo was run in a
way that allowed it to flap back against the exhaust manifold, melt and short
across.  I had a short in my harness there, replaced both the dynamo and VR
with no change in the charge light status and finally found a small spot on
the harness that looked a little misshapen.  Upon dissection, I found a lot
of melted insulation under the black wrap in this area, hence the short.  In
my case, the meltdown may have come from a bad VR allowing the dynamo to
overload the circuit since I couldn't get that area to reach back to the
exhaust manifold, but in theory...

Good luck, 

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm">Blue Brick Ro
ver Page</A> 

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:40:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Market value of used winches

trowe@cdr.wisc.edu,Internet writes:
>FWIW I paid $450-500 new for my 8274 in 1974 or 5.
>I supose, like most things, it's worth what the market will bear. 
>(ever priced '80's Star Wars toys?)

I'd happily trade some 80's Star Wars toys for a winch.  <GRIN>

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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From: nobile@up.spin.it
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:06:07 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: ATF

I am facing a problem about ATF to grade M2C 33 F for main gearbox of my 90.
Here in the island of Crete (GR) they seem only have ATF to Dexron II D.
Does anybody know if it is suitable to LT 77 main gearbox as for power steering?
Regards
         Albert Nobile   nobile@up.spin.it

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From: Geir Aarnes <geira@namdalsnett.no>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:48:02 +0200

which geira@namdalsnett.no

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Subject: Re: Forward: News Browser: Tag Items/Land-Rover, Land Rover, So
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 22:10:25 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

><<<In a related press release, Solihull has announced plans to extend the
>policy of lowering prices for their "Genuine Parts" for Series vehicles. The
>pricing changes will continue to affect parts for the popular Series III
>vehicles

I'm not ure about the rest of this orignal posting being an April Fool 
Joke but this bit COULD be right.

I visited my local LR franchise dealer for parts for my 110 the other day 
and they have a big promotion running for GENUINE Series 111 parts, the 
also had a price list stating '1000 reasons for buying Genuine parts' and 
listed 1000 parts prices for S3 bits, posters were plastered all over the 
place to do with the promotion and the prices did seem very competitive 
but that would depend on where you usually source your bits.

However the Landrover policy of restricting supply of bits to 
non-franchise dealers could hike prices in the long run - I called four 
places from LROI for various bits and they all quoted EXACTLY the same 
price and delivery times - say goodbye to fair trade and market 
competition.

Simon Ward-Hastelow
'85 110 V8

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:54:59 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: bfg tires

Hi,

Sorry for the cross post and maybe it is common knowledge, but I just went
surfing to the bfgoodrich page and found out that they no longer make tires.
That is now handled by uniroyal goodrich tire company. Did I miss out on
something????

Clayton

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:09:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>

From: David Place
S
Has anyone ever taken the centre metal piece out of the IIA window and
gone with one piece of glass right across like the newer version?
 
 This mod is quite popular in the UK, usually accompanied by the addition of
a third windscreen wiper to clean the middle bit.
 I have one here in western NY.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:21:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: bfg tires

In a message dated 4/2/97 6:12:51 PM, you wrote:

>but I just went
>surfing to the bfgoodrich page and found out that they no longer make tires.
>That is now handled by uniroyal goodrich tire company. Did I miss out on
>something????

In the Philippines, we got "Sime Darby" tires (for passenger cars and light
trucks) which are identical, in tread pattern at least, to those available
here in the US. 

Speaking of BFG, Which tires do/did NAS D90s come with? I've seen some with
chunky Mud Terrains and some (mostly 90SWs) with All Terrains. Was there an
option or was it model-year-to-model-year? Are they tubed? My 110 will soon
be needing new rubber and will probably be looking for the
stock-from-the-factory Michelins; no real complaints from me on them. (Some
non-lr poeple think they're a bit skinny (7.50x16).) Are they available in
the US? Haven't really seen them around.

pat
93 "on slicks" 110

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:34:10 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (cmw)
Subject: Sighting -Boston

Hello everyone.

Just this last Friday I chanced upon a nice looking Limestone 88" near Boston.

It was right up the block from Dali's in Sommerville (my and my GF's
favorite rest., great Spanish food)  Anybody I know?

Just (finally) got footwells!  AB has them for $45 for the pair -in stock if
you hurry.  

Tip for the day:  Remove window glass before welding any portion of a door
frame! :->  

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional      
 
               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:17:39 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: bfg tires

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> snip
> Speaking of BFG, Which tires do/did NAS D90s come with? I've seen some with
> chunky Mud Terrains and some (mostly 90SWs) with All Terrains. Was there an
> option or was it model-year-to-model-year? 

'94 Muds - '95 and on ATs

> Are they tubed? 

No

> My 110 will soon
> be needing new rubber and will probably be looking for the
> stock-from-the-factory Michelins; no real complaints from me on them. (Some
> non-lr poeple think they're a bit skinny (7.50x16).) Are they available in
> the US? Haven't really seen them around.

I'm not sure what type they are so I don't know.  But most tire types or a close
equivalent can be found.  The toughest seems to be the XCLs and related.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:21:10 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Aluminum PSP (PAP) Trivia (Camel Trophy)

I noticed in the latest LRO in one of the full
page photo spreads that the Camel Trophy
vehicles are no longer carrying PAP and have 
switched over to hefty sand ladders.   I just
though I'd pass that on since a while ago I was
trying to track down some PAP and there was a discussion
by a number of people regarding it.

In my search I couldn't locate any source in either
the UK or US including some of the expedition suppliers
(Slavin, Mantec, etc.).  Seems like the world supply
has dried up.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:57:06 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: bfg tires

'94 Defender 90s came with BFG Mud Terrains.  '95 on, came/comes with
All Terrains.  Though I've seen a few early '95 which came with Mud
Terrains.  The All & Mud Terrains are run tubeless on aloys.  But I'm
pretty sure they can be installed with tubes on standard LR rims.  i've
seen some 110s with Mud Terains.

The tyres which came standard on NAS Defender 110s were XCLs.  They are
hard to comeby in the US, but I think they can be special ordered.

Rover On,
David L Glaser                       '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:59:43 -0600 (CST)
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap)
Subject: Re: bfg tires

You wrote: 

> My 110 will soon
>be needing new rubber and will probably be looking for the
>stock-from-the-factory Michelins; no real complaints from me on them. 
(Some
>non-lr poeple think they're a bit skinny (7.50x16).) Are they 
available in
>the US? Haven't really seen them around.
>be needing new rubber and will probably be looking for the

Michelin XCLs 7.50x16 are available fom Safari Gard. They were on sale 
earlier this year at reasonable prices.  I think at least 2 people on 
the mendo_recce list bought them.  I am not sure if they are running 
them tubed. (BTW, did they come with the unobtainium Michelin tubes?)  
They will not be suitable for on-road use.

The Michelin 4x4s that came with the D110 are not available in the US 
and I am not sure if they are still being made.  Even if they were, I 
would not get them as replacements.  You have many readily available 
choices in 235/85R16 (or larger).

Frank

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:48:55 -0800
From: Ben Mitchell <benha@datatools.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum PSP (PAP) Trivia (Camel Trophy)

Hmmm...

	As I understand things (don't keep tabs on the CT too closely) this year's CT
is in a much drier climate where the traction problems are more likely to be
sand.  In years past, mud was the issue.  Ladders don't work in mud cause they
don't have enough surface area.  PAP works better.  So it may just be that
they've chosen equipment more suitable to the anticipated conditions, rather
than found the alternatives unavailable.  After all, they've got all the funds
and equipment they'd need to manufacture whatever they want to take along even
if they can't find it ready made...so it's unlikely they went to ladders
because they couldn't get a superior product...

-Ben

-- 
Ben Mitchell                      Voice: (415) 842-9274
DataTools, Inc.                   Fax:   (415) 842-9162
3340 Hillview Ave.                mailto:benha@datatools.com
Palo Alto, Ca  94304              http://www.datatools.com

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Subject: Re: Aluminum PSP (PAP) Trivia (Camel Trophy) 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:02:16 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

In message <199704030102.PAA27896@unix.off-road.com>you write:
> is in a much drier climate where the traction problems are more likely to be
> sand.  In years past, mud was the issue.  Ladders don't work in mud cause the
> don't have enough surface area.  PAP works better.  So it may just be that
> they've chosen equipment more suitable to the anticipated conditions, rather
> than found the alternatives unavailable.  

	Ladders also have the additional feature of being able to be 
used as short bridges, where as PAP and PSP have no intrinsic strength.

Personally I have 2 lengths of PSP and have stopped bringing them on trips
because other available materials filled that function.   

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:13:17 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Filters

John Tackley writes with problems/questions about fuel filters.

The simplest/cheapest is to replace the OEM metal filter with a generic 
filter that is in essence a heavy-wall glass tube.  Abailable in 1/4, 5/16 
and 3/8 inlet/outlet sizes, it comes with three replaceable filter inserts.  
Cost?  About $3.98.  Placed just ahead of the carb, the glass allows you to 
diagnose fuel delivery problems at a glance.

On a related issue, I would like to replace the gauze filter on the bottom 
of the pickup tube in the tank.  Last time I had it out, the filter had 
vanished: not trace of it in the tank, with the tube as clean as if it had 
been dipped in acid.  Several trips to various auto parts stores have failed 
to locate a generic "sock" to fit the tube.  All are purpouse-built for 
various other marques.  Any ideas (other than making one out of bronze mesh 
- which didn't turn out so well)?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Hudson29@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:24:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Year of Manu. L. Plates, Cal.

	One of our LRO listers e-mailed me about a problem he is having with keeping
his "original" plates on a 1960 Land Rover that he had purchased as an
unregistered vehicle. It had been unregistered since 1982, and the DMV's
computer does not go back nearly that far. He suggested other "Left Coast"
owners might have similar problems.
	California's greedy public sector has encouraged the DMV to take some very
Draconian attitudes towards their victims. Just for example, they just
doubled the non operation fee without notice, with their own paperwork still
asking for the old fee. If you send them what they ask for, you will be
fined!
 	I see two problem with this case. The first is lapsed registration. My
suggestion is to join the AAA. They can run interference with the DMV for you
on most matters. They are knowledgeable, polite & efficient. If they can not
solve your problem, get a copy of Hemmings Motor News and get a hold of one
of the advertisers that specializes in these (title & registration) matters.
Sometimes they can get your title registered with another state (often
Alabama) and then you can transfer back into California without trouble.
These are for-a-fee services.
	The other problem is retaining your "original" plate. By that I take you to
mean the "black" plate you probably have on your car now. While that plate
has been with your car for many years, it is not the original. In 1960,
California issued yellow plates with black letters. In 1963, everybody was
forced to get new plates. The Year of Manufacture program does NOT cover
"black" '63 and later plates.
	I don't know how you can save your "black" plates. Once you fail to keep
continuous registration, you lose them as far as I know. Perhaps someone else
on the list has a suggestion. Have you considered an original set of 1960
plates? They can be found at any old car swap meet or from license plate
specialists. Again, see Hemmings.
	Under the Year of Manufacture program, you CAN get plates on your Landie
that are really authentic. They will cost you a $10. per year premium, and a
certain ordeal to get them set up. AAA can not help you with this, at least
not yet. I don't believe that they will need your old "black" plates, as they
should be off the computer by now.

Paul O'Neil
'71 IIA 88 SW, (still unchristened but I have several good possibilities)
Hudson29@aol.com

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From: "Tom Walsh" <tomw@best.com>
Date:          Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:12:40 +0000
Subject:       Re: Aluminum PSP (PAP) Trivia (Camel Trophy) 

> In message <199704030102.PAA27896@unix.off-road.com>you write:
> > is in a much drier climate where the traction problems are more likely to be
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> 	Ladders also have the additional feature of being able to be 
> used as short bridges, where as PAP and PSP have no intrinsic strength.

We sure coulda used two weeks ago! :)

Tomw

> Personally I have 2 lengths of PSP and have stopped bringing them on trips
> because other available materials filled that function.   
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> Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
> Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88
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Subject: Re: Aluminum PSP (PAP) Trivia (Camel Trophy) 
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:39:56 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

In message <199704030233.QAA00324@unix.off-road.com>you write:

> > 	Ladders also have the additional feature of being able to be 
> > used as short bridges, where as PAP and PSP have no intrinsic strength.
> We sure coulda used two weeks ago! :)

	Yes, that was one of the few cases that I regretted not bringing
the PSP.   (For those not there we had a motorcycle trail that was just 
wide enough to get a SIII 88 through (mine) without too much trouble,
but a Disco being 4 inches wider and longer proved to me much harder--as in
10+ hours.  The problem was that the downhill side of the trail was 
too soft for a vehicle's weight and it was a long ways down hill if the
Rovers slid/rolled.  (Which came close a few times...)

	BTW, if you don't care about the weight, I've found that PSP is usually
findable in scrap yards near US military bases or at base auctions.  I bought
mine at scrap iron prices ($0.10/lb). PSP weights about twice what PAP does
and is harder to unbend.  But much cheeper than the $200 that RN wants to
charge for PAP.  

Ben
Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:16:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Filters

The fuel pickup 'sock' for VW beetles is the right size for our LRs. just
fold around the tube as far up as it will go and solder it on. Tie wire or a
small hose clamp would work, too. I'll try to get the VW part number and
report back. 
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:19:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: PTO Winch & Overdrive

>>I have the "Optional Equipment PArts Catalogue" dated Feb 1965 here...

Michel, could I talk you into photocopying that and sending me a copy? Others
on the list would probably be interested, as well. I would make it worth your
while. Maybe you could scan it into a file?

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:00:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Year of Manu. L. Plates, Cal.

...Yes you can keep your black plates in California! So long as they're
clearly legible, you can keeep them for as long as you wish to. They simply
tell you that you can't, because:

A) They want your money, and

B) The states' constabulary prefers the reflective plates, because they're
easier to read at night.

Any questions - go to the local DMV office, and buy yourself a copy of the
"Vehicle Code" book. It costs $3.00, and has compressed forms of the vehicle
code, health and safety, penal, utilities, tax, and several other codes in it
as well...well worth it. (It's gotten me out of many a traffic ticket)

As far as putting them on other vehicles goes, I'm not sure what the cutoff
is. Last vehicle code book I read had no cutoff point for them, but this
could have changed. However, if you have a '60's car, that is currently out
of the system (you can call the local DMV office, and tell them "I'm looking
at this car that's for sale, but it's not registered...can you check the VIN
number, and tell me if it's in your system?". They may balk at you, but
they're required BY LAW to help you. They don't have to tell you who it
belongs to, but they have to tell you if it's in the system, if it's
stolen,tickets,etc., and they don't ask your name, either), and if it's not
in the system, simply buy a set of the desired plates from a reputable
source, and when registering the car, use the desired plate number on the
paperwork! (yes, you CAN buy license plates at swap meets, but make sure the
seller guarantees that they're clear in the DMV system)

Usual disclaimers apply.

Charles Irvin
British Airways Cargo/LAX (when I don't have a sprained foot)
1962 SIIA 109 3dr Diesel
1959 SII 88 Petrol

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: bfg tires
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:28:28 -0800

> The tyres which came standard on NAS Defender 110s were XCLs. 

No.  They are Michelin X 4x4.

Frank

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Year of Manu. L. Plates, Cal.
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:20:21 -0800

> 	California's greedy public sector has encouraged the DMV to take some
very
> Draconian attitudes towards their victims. Just for example, they just
> doubled the non operation fee without notice, with their own paperwork
still
> asking for the old fee. If you send them what they ask for, you will be
> fined!

When did this take place?  I recently sent in a non-op.

Frank

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 01:35:05 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: bfg tires

> > The tyres which came standard on NAS Defender 110s were XCLs.
> No.  They are Michelin X 4x4.

oops, sorry for the mistake.  whats the difference between X & XCL?
Their tread pattern looks almost identical.  XCLs are used on the Camel
Trophy, right?

Rover On,
David L Glaser                          '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu                    '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 02:15:23 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Conversion/hybrid question

If you keep the old VIN and registration which says the Rover is over 25
years you can probably get away with it.  From what I've been told, the
age of the drivetrain is what determines the age of the car, not the
body work.  There are plenty of people who import LRs with new
leaf-sprung frames so you could probably get away with putting a coil
frame on.
Its important to have all the proper paper work.
Another thing is that it comes down to luck.  If the Customes offical
suspects something is not "kosher" you will have very hard time getting
it into the country.

Rover On,
David L Glaser                       '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu                 '94 Discovery, Teal
Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Just a quick question to USA Landrover drivers. I know its very nearly
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> Simon Ward-Hastelow
> '85 110 V8

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:12:53 UT
From: "JAMES PAPPAS" <roverhead@msn.com>
Subject: address change

To all of my friends:

At least temporarily (trying to convert my phone service for local access) my 
email is:

roverhead@msn.com

thanks for all the mail sent that I never got, IDT!!

Cheers
jim

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From: Matthew Loxton <matthewl@dinet.co.za>
Subject: Trip to Tanzania, any comments?
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:35:40 +-200

Please excuse the cross posting, but I need feedback on road conditions, =
fuel stops etc.

In August we plan to visit Ifakara (aprox S 7deg 30' E 32deg) and =
Nachingwea. At the same time we will take in the mandatory sights, =
Ngorogor crater, Serengeti, Olduvia Gorge, Kilamanjaro, Lake Victoria.

The route I am thinking of is from Pretoria, cross to Botswana at Parr's =
Halt, Francistown, Nata, Cross into Zambia at the Kasangula Ferry, =
Lusaka, Lilongwe, up to Mbeya, Iringa, Ifakara.
Then after looking at the work my Father did fifty years back on the =
agricultural projects, up to Ngorogoro, Serengeti, Olduvia, Lake Vic. =
Then reverse out and head east to Moshi (Kilimanjaro), down to Dar Es =
Salaam, Port Lindi (see where my sister was born), Natchingwea (more =
agriculture), Songea, Mbeya, and then back down to ZA maybe via Zim, or =
again through Botswana.

Any comments on border issues, bandits, roads, and especially fuel stops =
will be appreciated. We will be going in the S-III and a Tdi Defender =
110. Maybe also a brace of Rangies, and a solitary diesel Land Cruiser.

Cheers
Matthew

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