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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:39:32 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: 1959 88" Series 2 newbie

אופיר נאהרי wrote:
> Have fun with your new toy.
> I conidered a '59 lwb but I'm still busy with my s2A 88" .
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>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 21 lines)]
> > web- http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~derf/swb/index.html
> > 'Castrol' and '_________' -Australian Ex-Military Land-Rovers
CXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hello, how are you. Where are you up to on your 2A SWB?
RF

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:26:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: starter lube...

Con Seitl wrote-
"I use graphite, comes in a tube..."

Yeah, I know about that stuff. With the pencil, you can merely "scribble" the
soft graphite/lead onto the necessary surfaces. Besides, the stuff in a tube
you have to buy, a pencil you can borrow...
see 'ya *in* the old road...
jim  '61 88" w/OD, 1 Bbl weber, 16's, hubs (econobox?) "Nicky"
LR....quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:39:55 +0000
Subject: Re: It has srrived at last! '97 Disco V8i ES Auto, What a beauty

> Subject:       It has srrived at last! '97 Disco V8i ES Auto, What a beauty!!!

> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Hi fellow Land Rover Owners
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> Hi fellow Land Rover Owners
> As you may remember I had a dud Discovery TDi ES Auto.
Congratulations and enjoy it.  I had a similar experience in Canada 
with a 95 Discovery which LR replaced with a 96 SE7.  Just goes to 
show when things get really bad LR do look after their customers. 

Kevin Girling
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 06:19:19 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: For sale !971 '88'

Hi All,
 This was in the chicago tribune car ads.

  1971 Land Rover Short Wheel Base, 44k miles
  4 cylinder, 4 speed,
  Exrtas include: overdrive, free wheel hubs,
  Factory duel fuel tanks, New lead free head,
  clutch, zenith carb, Stainless steel exhaust,
  exhaust manifold, breaklines, battery, & tires.
   $8500.00   call Mike Cacioppo  847-432-8224

Becuse it is in my area I went to look & found it to be a clean good
driving '88' with a sound frame.  Paint was original.

I know several people were looking for LR's eariler so I hope this helps
someone.  
Regards
Rob davis_chicago

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:12:10 -0500
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Poly Bushings for 109s

     All,
     
     Something I didn't know and only found out "the hard way" -- 
     
     It seems replacement galvanized frames are all made to Series III 
     standard.  This means that the bushing holes for the front end of 
     109-in frames are larger than for the back, something not true for 
     older 109s.  So if you order a replacement 109 frame and a set of poly 
     bushes, be sure that you get the larger, 109-specific bushes for the 
     front end to avoid work stoppage.  My source for poly bushes does not 
     stock the correct ones (seems a bit absurd as they sell both 109-in 
     frames and poly bushes!!) so is getting them from the UK -- 1-3 weeks, 
     no promises.  
     
     Hank
     1960 Long Station Wagon
     1997 Short Station Wagon

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Mainshaft woes
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:20:18 BST

Finally found the problem.

Dave Bobeck gave some suggestions. They covered things that were okay, but got
me thinking in the right direction (Dave: I have emailed you a couple of times
this morning, but your mail keeps bouncing).

The mainshaft was in the rear bearing properly. The bearing was seated
correctly in the housing, and the housing the case. I'd also had two previous
attempts at getting the bearing on properly.
Oh well. Other minor problems (like leaving stray parts in the 3rd synchro
(doh!) ), but I managed to make a lot of progress yesterday. Now have two
large chunks, and awaiting a few minor parts.

Hopefully it goes back this weekend. Two boxes of Guinness are currently
sitting in the garage if someone would like to claim them in return for
a bit of heavy lifting and the like.

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR - motion RSN, honest!)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Front Salisbury's and Rear Steps
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 14:30:05 BST

Hi all!

Going through my email, I saw one mentioning Front Salisbury's and the usual
thing being only rear Salisbury's. Didn't pay any attention to it, and assumed
that as mine was mil., I had Salisbury's front and back...

Just phoned Paddock's up for various bits. "can I have a drain plug for a
front Salisbury". Of course, they don't exist. Doh!

So it wasn't just my imagination that the rear took more oil!

I understood the Salisbury had a different ratio. Does this mean that my
front rover diff. has a different ratio to the norm.?

Re. Rear steps. Has anyone tried fitting a rear step to a military x-member?
The potential problem is the NATO tow hitch and the NATO trailer socket.
I use the tow-hitch. I don't use the socket yet, but would like to keep it.
Any recommendations?
Also, maybe need front steps, although I'm fine, but the passenger side 
could do with one, and it would look odd with a step on one side!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 09:02:06 EST
Subject: Re: Poly Bushings for 109s

     >  My source for poly bushes does not stock the correct ones (seems a 
     >bit absurd as they sell both 109-in frames and poly bushes!!) so is 
     >getting them from the UK -- 1-3 weeks, no promises.  

Hank-
try British Pacific, I got my polybushes from them. They're made by Old Man 
Emu, and I'm quite hqappy with 'em. Don't know if the have what you need 
though.

Cheers
daveB

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:22:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, David L Glaser wrote:
> Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...
> For those who got free binoculars from Nissan,
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> David L Glaser           '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
> dlglaser@wam.umd.edu     '94 Disco, Teal

i saw an identical pair (without the pathfinder sticker)
at the spring bass pro shop (you got to see it to believe it)
for $49.00.  the brand is a good one, but i can't remember...
(age 50 factor)   the binocs have a speed focus lever that
i really like.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:52:29 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: supplier experience -P.A.Blanchard

At 11:11 PM 3/31/97 -0500, David Cockey wrote:

> Has anyone tried checking a gearbox or axle yet?
;
>Regards,
>David Cockey
;
No but last July I checked: exhaust manifold, 2 windscreens, a glazed door
top, new snorkle kit,a new fuel tank outrigger, a tent shower, a Coverall
Europe rear car tent, and a big pile of misc parts including new pedal
rubber, new hub dust covers, seals, lock washers, shovel and pickaxe
mounting brackets & more.

I was on my way home from Billing '96

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109,  1961 Triumph TR3A

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:41:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Sight unseen

After seeing my SIII and being cursed with a minivan from hell my father bought
a new red Disco.  Having instructed my mother to wave at all rover owners so as
not to be dubbed a snob, she proceeds to wave enthusiasticlly at a series owner
while driving to the market.  He does not respond but just looks at her
curiously.  It was only a few short miles later that she realized she was in
the Supra. Best intentions and plans laid aside.

Wave on
Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 07:45:40 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Parcel Post was - supplier experience -P.A.Blanchard

David Cockey wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
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> Only once have I had to pay duty, and then there was a $5 fee for the
> post office to collect it. PA Blanchard claims parcel post loses
> shipments on a regular basis, but I haven't had a problem.
....Cut....

In the past when I worked overseas I mailed packages home on a regular
basis. I never paid duty (something to do with the way the laws are
written and the declared value, ymmv) and always received my parcels. A
tailgate for my 67 IIA cost US$30.00 to mail from Darwin, Australia to
Bellingham, Washington, USA. I almost always mailed using surface rates.
The parts would take a month or so but are usually already there by the
time I would get back.

Tom Spoto

1 x 67 IIA 88  with parts from a few foreign wrecking yards (breakers)
2 x 72 III 88's      some parts procured that way

Nothing like crawling under a wrecked Rover for some parts in the
Northern Territories and hoping there is'nt a Brown Snake in residence.

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From: "John J. Tackley" <John.Tackley@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:49:47 -5
Subject: Fuel filters

Had a fuel related problem last wknd.
After a 20 mile run I shut my SIII off to do a 10 min. errand.  Upon 
restart, it ran for a few hundred feet and died when the float bowl 
ran dry.  Seemed like classic vapour lock.  So...
Disconnect carb fuel inlet hose, crank, no squirt.  OK
Remove metal canister fuel filter mounted just ahead of carb, right 
over the HOT exh. manifold, crank, no squirt. OH man.....
Disconnect fuel hose from fuel pump outlet, crank, no squirt.  DAMN..
Disconnnect fuel inlet hose to pump, fuel flows from the line, pull 
pump handle a few strokes, no suction.  WTF?  (OK, truth time.  I 
rebuilt the pump a few weeks ago, so I naturally figure one of the 
new pump valves or diaphram is bad.)  So...
Take out 6 screws in fuel pump and remove pump top and sediment bowl. 
A little rust in the bowl (which is actually good compared to a LOT 
of rust, which is rather normal) but diaphram and valves are OK. Next.
Re-assemble fuel pump and fuel lines.
Buy a gallon of Windscreen Washer Fluid, $.99.(Why? you're thinking) 
read on 
Pour out washer fluid.  Buy a gallon of gas and pump it into 
my new spare $.99 gas container.
Dispense most of the gallon into the tank, just to move some fuel in 
there around a bit, in case some trash / rust is blocking up the 
screen.  Pour a little fuel into the pump outlet hose to prime, and 
re-connect to carb.  Hand pump a few strokes.  Crank.
Starts immediately and has run fine ever since. No that's not exactly 
correct.  It runs much better than it did, in fact much better than 
it EVER did.
So here's the thing.  WHY ?  
The only thing different is now there is no fuel filter in the fuel 
line.  I figure some trash blocked the screen in the tank and when I 
disconnected the pump inlet hose, thereby releasing the vacuum in the 
line, the offending trash / rust fell off the screen.  Or pouring in 
a little fuel to stir the tank did it.  I would drain and 
clean the tank, but it's apparently aftermarket by the PO 
and has no drain plug.  Whatever... 
What I would like some input about is fuel filters.  Other LRO's out 
there, What's your experience with fuel filters on petrol Series LRs? 
Apparently mine ( metal canister, generic, cheap filters...and I've 
changed several ) were restrictive, causing a degree of fuel 
starvation.  My SIII now runs smoother, starts easier, has less 
sluggish acceleration (how can I call it brisk, after all ) and I get 
another 10, yes I said TEN  MPH ! 
Comments ???

*'73 Land Rover SIII-88 - "Gen. Lee"*
*'81 300SD - 170k miles* "Hiway Limo"
*'89 H-D FLHS - "Oink" "That'l do pig"*
*'92 F-150 Flare Side "Tow-er"

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From: Hudson29@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:27:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Registering UK Plates

	Having just done battle with the Forces Of Evil (FOE) down at the Department
of Motor Vehicles here in the People's Republic of California last Friday, I
seriously doubt UK plates would get past their long, thin, officious noses.
The program here is call "Year Of Manufacture" and is open to pre 1963
vehicles.
	There are a variety of little "character tests" that they put you through,
requiring much added expense, new appointments, always with fresh inquisitors
asking the same questions as the last person asked. Also the rules are, of
course, secret, and probably arbitrary.
	A couple of pointers: bring your old plates to turn in, bring proof of
insurance, also expect several appointments. No one there knows anything
about the program, supervisors will be called and manuals will be gone
through. You will be treated as a troublemaker. They will inspect your plates
minutely. If they don't correspond to their interpretation of the book, your
out. Only California plates will be accepted.
	I emerged from my ordeal with the FOE with '26, '29 & '39 plates
successfully got through, and I feel a good deal more noble & virtuous (and
poorer) for the experience.

Paul O'Neil
'71 IIA 88 SW, (still unchristened but I have several good possibilities)
Hudson29@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:09:45 -0500 (EST)
From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>

Happy April Fools!  I wanted to share a prank that might work on your
spouse or significant other! :-)  I had a friend call my home and leave and
message on my answering machine that he was calling from one of the parts
suppliers I use to verify a fax order for an amount over $3,000!  He said
that it was their policy to verbally confirm all fax orders over $1,000...
 	Well, money issues(and Rovers) can push my wife's buttons so to
speak, and she proceeded to grill me as to how we were going to pay for
this, and that we didn't have the money....It's a speech I've heard before,
but not with this kind of passion! ;-)  My friend came home with me from
work to have lunch, so that he could witness this first hand.  We all had a
good laugh about it!  My wife then asked what I could spend $3,000 on mail
order, and I replied I could do that without opening the catalog! ;-)

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
XO of the VMFA 509th COUGARS
The Downeast Land Rover Club:  http://www.agate.com/~rovah/
2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover(Smedley), 1966 Series IIA(Pondoro),
   1974 Series III(Swambo)

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:50:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Maple Syrup Rally (OVLR)

	Delayed until next weekend (Apr. 13th).  Sap is not running, we
	got snow yesterday, still more than three feet in the woods.
	(trivia.  Quebec produces 90% of Canadian production, 80% of
	world production)
	

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:15:29 -0500
From: Lee Levitt <wheelman@shore.net>
Subject: Re: 

At 01:09 PM 4/1/97 -0500, John Cassidy wrote:
>Happy April Fools!  I wanted to share a prank that might work on your
>spouse or significant other! :-)  I had a friend call my home and leave and
>message on my answering machine that he was calling from one of the parts
>suppliers I use to verify a fax order for an amount over $3,000!  He said
>that it was their policy to verbally confirm all fax orders over $1,000...

I'd consider doing that but my wife might retaliate in kind...by ordering
her own batch of goodies!

Let's be careful out there boys.

Lee

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Subject: Land-Rover conquers the world
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 20:16:26 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

A report in today's 'London Evening Standard' newspaper states that it is 
now official that at least one Landrover has been sold to every country 
in the world since 1948 (it does not say whether its the same Landrover 
being sold hundreds of times) and Landrover also claims that at least 70 
per cent of them (1.6million) are still around (probably in workshops 
awaiting restoration) These figures do not include Range Rovers or 
Discoverys.

Simon Ward-Hastelow
'85 110 V8

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:21:54 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Tie Rod ends

Dear All;

Upon doing my weekly fluid check when I got down to the swivels I
noticed that my steering dampener was disconnected at the end that
attaches to the steering rod.  The bolt had been sheared off, and when I
grabbed the rod to check for any play...there was lots.  How does one
trash a NEW dampener and two tie rod ends without knowing it.  I guess
there was that bachelor's party driving around in the sand dunes of
South Texas.

I guess I'll have to upgrade and get some greasable tie rod ends and
another new dampener.  I had a LR dampener, should I look into Rancho,
Old Man Emu, Bilstein, etc.?

Comments and suggestions greatly appreciated.

Herman

SIII 88 1973

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:26:18 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Land-Rover conquers the world

Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
snip
> A report in today's 'London Evening Standard' newspaper states that it is
> now official that at least one Landrover has been sold to every country
> in the world since 1948 

Is this the same lot that reported the CKD D90s ? :)

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:24:35 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 

At 02:15 PM 4/1/97 -0500, Lee Levitt wrote:
>At 01:09 PM 4/1/97 -0500, John Cassidy wrote:
>>Happy April Fools!  I wanted to share a prank that might work on your
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>her own batch of goodies!
>Let's be careful out there boys.
>Lee

Hey,

if her own batch of goodies are LR parts then go for it, $3000+. Yeah!!

Clayton

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:56:31 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Land Rover Owner International

LROI are changing the look of the magazine.  Some changes, probably the
first of a number of planned changes or improvements were in the April
issue.  LROI is keen to receive feedback from readers with opinions or
comments on content and style.  Please respond to lroshop@idirect.com.

Thank you.

A reminder:  anyone with event information for North America wishing a
mention on the LROI information line please email us at lroshop@idirect.com

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:01:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land-Rover conquers the world

On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:

> A report in today's 'London Evening Standard' newspaper states that it is 
> now official that at least one Landrover has been sold to every country 
> in the world since 1948 

	But Albania is in the dregs just about now.  Must be old news
	unless one sold during the pyramid schemes and they just sold one
	to North Korea

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Subject: Re: Land-Rover conquers the world
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:04:23 +0100
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>> A report in today's 'London Evening Standard' newspaper states that it is
>> now official that at least one Landrover has been sold to every country
>> in the world since 1948 
>Is this the same lot that reported the CKD D90s ? :)

I'm not going to fall for something like that too easily again! this time 
I checked the details first befor relaying the news. I work for 
Associated Newspapers that prints the London Evening Standard so was easy 
to check up.

Its quite a big article accompanied by a couple of good pictures one 
showing about 15 Military D90s in convoy, the other showing Winston 
Churchill alongside a series 1 or 11 (no UKE 80) I cannot tell which 
because the whole vehicle cannot be seen and it has a few 'different' 
fittings perhaps it was a government/royal 'special'

simon

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 12:39:27 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: LR Market Research Questionaire

I received an independent marketing questionaire yesterday which I found 
quite amusing.  Although it relates to the D90 I'm sure some of you
fellow Series owners will also find it amusing.  

Among the questions was a section "Problems with Your Vehicle" with the
following instructions : 

"Review the list and indicate any problems that have DEVELOPED in the
last 12 months with your vehicle.  Explain these problems in detail 
below."

Listed with boxes for problem noticed and problem serviced boxers were:

Dents/Dings
Chips/Scratches in Paint
Paint not Shiny or Glossy Enough

Sort of makes you wonder what kind of responses get in the
"detailed below" section.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:37:59 -0500
From: Lee Levitt <wheelman@shore.net>
Subject: Re: 

At 12:24 PM 4/1/97 -0800, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>if her own batch of goodies are LR parts then go for it, $3000+. Yeah!!

I think LR parts are higher on my wish list than on hers. I'd find a new
Subzero fridge in the kitchen...with new Seimatic cabinets to match...and
you know this will be her oneupmanship...I spend 3K, she spends 30K.

Wonder if Subzeros leak 15-50 on the floor. <GRIN>

Lee
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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 01 Apr 97 14:36:09 MST
Subject: 109 LR

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
John,

In response to some of your questions... Of course they can be used as a
daily driver. Many people on the list(s) (there are several Land Rover
lists) drive them every day. I used my 109 as a daily driver for around
6 to 9 months, and have only recently started using my Acura (had loaned
it to a friend). As a daily driver, though, it may require a bit of
maintenance. As they "all" leak, (short of taking special precautions to
seal them up) you must keep up with checking the fluids. There are even
those who own ONLY the Land Rover.

I'm curious... why do you want a Series III? Most seek the II or IIa and
shy away from the III's. I think the III's don't hold up as well in the
dash, as they become dry-rotted and crumble apart, whereas the II's have
metal dash's and will last for "eternity."

Which brings me to this:

I have a 1970 IIa 109 Station Wagon, 11 passenger, dual heater,
tropical top that is in "very good" (a relative term) condition. It is
all original, and runs well. The only "problem area" with mine is the
frame is rusty. However, I have a complete spare frame that I was going
to use for it and do a frame-up restoration. I bought all new seals,
(gearbox, hubs, axle, swivel balls, etc...) mud flaps, 1 new swivel
ball, brakes, speedometer cable (speedometer doesn't work), shifter
rubbers, and many many more parts to restore it with. Now, I'm betting
married in less than 3 weeks, selling two homes (hers and mine) and have
come to the conclusion that there is no way I'll have the time I need to
restore her. (the 109, not my fiancee!) ;-)

I have probably over $8500 invested into it and would be willing to let
her go for no less than that. Kind-of hate to drop to the "bottom line"
right off, but I don't have the time nor inclination to dicker at this
time. As I said, it runs well, and in fact, I flew to New York state to
buy it, drove it to the Atlantic coast, back through Canada, and home to
Phoenix Arizona about two years ago.

I believe that this would be worth around twice this much once
restored... all you need to add is "love." ;-)

Let me know what you think. I'll be replacing the brakes, swivel ball,
and some of the seals before I officially offer it for sale, but since
you advertised that you're looking...

Dave Brown

I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:55:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Webber 2 barrel

What is the concensus on the advantages ( if any ) and disadvantages (
besides the cost ) of fitting a 2 barrel webber to a 2.25 litre Land rover
petrol engine ?
 What kind ogf performance ( ha ha ) is achieved ) ?
How adversely is the fuel consumption affected ?
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:41:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 109 LR

In a message dated 97-04-01 17:33:21 EST, you write:

<< I'm betting
 married in less than 3 weeks >>

Probably a better term than getting married.

Nate (some of us win the bet, too)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:45:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Forward: News Browser: Tag Items/Land-Rover, Land Rover, Solihull, Defender/

Thought you guys would be interested...

<<<Solihull, England: (Reuters)
Land Rover's German parent BMW is set to announce the unveiling of the next
vehicle platform to be produced by the legendary builder of four wheel drive
vehicles. BMW and Land Rover are keen to capitalize on the "Retro-mobile"
styles which are gaining in sales world-wide. This move was only finalized
after BMW realized a profit with their Z3 Roadster and Land Rover
acknowledged the tie between the legend of their "Series" vehicles and the
success of the current "Defender" line.>>>
<<<Land Rover will construct a Defender chassis-based vehicle which will
incorporate a GRP/Poly-composite body with a no frills interior. "We feel the
current Defender line to be a bit "too plush" as they say on Sloane Street.
This is as a direct result of input from the American Market, and we feel we
have neglected the true users of our product, namely Welsh sheep farmers and
the Military. We wish to produce a true off road vehicle..." The same source
indicated that the development of the new platform was spurred by the
successful contracts of the military's "Wolf" version.>>>
<<<In a related press release, Solihull has announced plans to extend the
policy of lowering prices for their "Genuine Parts" for Series vehicles. The
pricing changes will continue to affect parts for the popular Series III
vehicles and will be expanded to include the Series I vehicles, which are
nearing their 50th Anniversaries soon. The company does not plan to reduce
parts prices for the Series II line, saying "they were a weak seller, weak
performer and generally sub-standard. If you recall the car, the Series II's
and IIa's are our equivalent of the Marina. Terribly bland." The same unnamed
source indicated that parts for those vehicles would remain higher in cost to
maintain quality in line with recent EC legislation.>>>

Cool, when do we get the plastic rovers? Jim (Allen), any ideas on what'll be
powering it? Eric (Zipkin), Any ideas on how many tow-points it'll have?

pat.
93 "plush" 110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:47:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Forward: News Browser: Tag Items/Land-Rover, Land Rover, Solihull, Defender/

Thought you guys would be interested...

<<<Solihull, England: (Reuters)
Land Rover's German parent BMW is set to announce the unveiling of the next
vehicle platform to be produced by the legendary builder of four wheel drive
vehicles. BMW and Land Rover are keen to capitalize on the "Retro-mobile"
styles which are gaining in sales world-wide. This move was only finalized
after BMW realized a profit with their Z3 Roadster and Land Rover
acknowledged the tie between the legend of their "Series" vehicles and the
success of the current "Defender" line.>>>
<<<Land Rover will construct a Defender chassis-based vehicle which will
incorporate a GRP/Poly-composite body with a no frills interior. "We feel the
current Defender line to be a bit "too plush" as they say on Sloane Street.
This is as a direct result of input from the American Market, and we feel we
have neglected the true users of our product, namely Welsh sheep farmers and
the Military. We wish to produce a true off road vehicle..." The same source
indicated that the development of the new platform was spurred by the
successful contracts of the military's "Wolf" version.>>>
<<<In a related press release, Solihull has announced plans to extend the
policy of lowering prices for their "Genuine Parts" for Series vehicles. The
pricing changes will continue to affect parts for the popular Series III
vehicles and will be expanded to include the Series I vehicles, which are
nearing their 50th Anniversaries soon. The company does not plan to reduce
parts prices for the Series II line, saying "they were a weak seller, weak
performer and generally sub-standard. If you recall the car, the Series II's
and IIa's are our equivalent of the Marina. Terribly bland." The same unnamed
source indicated that parts for those vehicles would remain higher in cost to
maintain quality in line with recent EC legislation.>>>

Cool, when do we get the plastic rovers? Jim (Allen), any ideas on what'll be
powering it? Eric (Zipkin), Any ideas on how many tow-points it'll have?

pat.
93 "plush" 110

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 18:41:52 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Front Salisbury's and Rear Steps

Richard of the Gurkha writes:
> Also, maybe need front steps, although I'm fine, but the passenger side 
> could do with one, and it would look odd with a step on one side!

One of our SII 88s has distinct evidence of having been fitted with a
passenger side step only when new or nearly new. It won't look odd
unless someone is using a mirror to examine both sides at once.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 18:47:46 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Forward: News Browser: Tag Items/Land-Rover, Land Rover, Solihull, Defender/

Today is 1 April.

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> Thought you guys would be interested...
> <<<Solihull, England: (Reuters)
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> Cool, when do we get the plastic rovers? Jim (Allen), any ideas on what'll be
> powering it? Eric (Zipkin), Any ideas on how many tow-points it'll have?

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Subject: Charging problems!!
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 18:57:17 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

This week I finished the complete replacement of my '65 SIIA's wiring 
harness and dynamo rebuild.  Everything worked beautifully and just like 
it was new.  For the first time since I bought it, the old ammeter was 
registering amps and all the electrics worked like a charm,  UNTIL......

I decided to go for a spin and got out on the highway and topped the 
speed out at the usual 50mph and suddenly, the charging warning light 
came on and the ammeter went to zero.  The engine still ran fine (its a 
diesel and really doesn't even need the electrics except to get it 
started) so I drove on home.

Well, as may be the case on your rover, the charging light (that light on 
the bottome left side of the instrument panel) is only supposed to come 
on when it registers no amps from the dynamo.  When current begins to 
flow from the dynamo the lamp is no longer grounded and therefore goes 
out.  Like just after you start the engine and rev it up some.

I checked the dynamo connections and they were still intact, no fuses 
were blown and no wires inside the instrument panel or elsewhere that I 
could find had come loose. 

The only thing I can think of is that while at highwaymy speeds the newly 
rebuilt dynamo, which would easily max out the ammeter to the 30+ mark 
with the slightest rev in the engine, could have generated too much 
amperage and blown something, like itself or maybe the voltage regulator 
thing.  I held a test-lamp up to the jumper connection (the smaller of 
the two connections) on the dynamo with the engine running and it did not 
show current, and I think there is supposed to be some current here, 
becauase this is what goes to the charge warning lamp to turn it off and 
on.  Hence my theory that maybe the dynamo blew out!?

Tomorrow, I will take the dynamo out and have it tested by the shop that 
rebuilt it.  But in the meantime, does anyone have any tips or 
suggestions?

Thanks

Keith W. Cooper,MD
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*            Dept. of Family and Community Medicine - UAMS              *
*           co-founder -   "Arkansas Land Rover Association"            *
*                 1965 Series IIA 88" Diesel - "Buford"                 *
*                          1996 Discovery SE                            *
*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:24:50 -0800
From: jouster@red.prmx.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Webber 2 barrel

Having driven Donk, a 109 with stock engine, before and after adding a 2-bbl 
Weber, I will attest that it makes an obvious difference in acceleration and 
ability to maintain highway speeds (60mph up grades that slowed it to 50 
before). With the Fairey overdrive it could cruise at 70, if the wind wasn't 
too strong. It also increases fuel consumption, though not too much 
(dropping from around 16+ to 14-mpg, highway). One drawback is that it 
seemed to be rather "cold-blooded", requiring choke again even after sitting 
for only minutes. Perhaps in hotter regions it would not be so. Off-road, 
they guzzle fuel, relatively speaking. Donk got about 4mpg where I got 6 in 
my 109 w/single bbl Weber. Power is not free, how much can you afford?
JohnO
109 diesel (60mph absolute top speed)

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:34:58 -0800
From: jouster@red.prmx.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Charging problems!!

I'm still using the stock 30amp ammeter with my 65 amp Delco alternator. It 
rarely maxes-out for more than a few seconds right after starting, and seems 
to do no harm (about 9 years now). I have lately been having some ignition 
switch problems, which I consider normal wear after 465,000 miles.
JohnO

>This week I finished the complete replacement of my '65 SIIA's wiring 
>harness and dynamo rebuild.  Everything worked beautifully and just like 
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>*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:02:35 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Forward: News Browser: Tag Items/Land-Rover, Land Rover, Solihull, Defender/

Is this an April fools joke like the CKD Defenders?

Rover On,
David L Glaser          '94 La Ruta Maya Discover #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu    '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 23:35:56 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: PTO Winch & Overdrive

Is there anyway of mounting both a PTO winch & overdrive?

I don't own a series LR at the moment, though I'm planning to buy one
soon.

Rover On,
David l Glaser               '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu         '94 Discovery, Teal

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 00:05:04 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: PTO Winch & Overdrive

David L Glaser wrote:
> Is there anyway of mounting both a PTO winch & overdrive?
> I don't own a series LR at the moment, though I'm planning to buy one
> soon.

Several ways:
1) Use a end of crankshaft driven PTO winch.
2) Stretch the definition of PTO and use a hydraulic winch with a bottom
PTO driven pump or belt driven pump.
3) Find a way to drive the winch from the bottom PTO, feasibility
undetermined.

David Cockey
SII Pickup w/ overdrive and capstan winch

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:28:12 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: PTO Winch & Overdrive

David L Glaser wrote:

>> Is there anyway of mounting both a PTO winch & overdrive?
>> I don't own a series LR at the moment, though I'm planning to buy one
>> soon.

David Cockey wrote:

>Several ways:
>1) Use a end of crankshaft driven PTO winch.
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>3) Find a way to drive the winch from the bottom PTO, feasibility
>undetermined.

It's my understanding that driving a PTO winch is precisely the purpose of
a bottom PTO as it only has output forward and in more or less the position
of a more typical PTO designed for a winch.  I have a parts diagram of one
around here somewhere.  I've always lusted for one of those--what LRO
hasn't?  Understand they're pretty nearly unobtainium.

Granny
Redwood Valley

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:10:55 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: jWindow treatment

Has anyone ever taken the centre metal piece out of the IIA window and
gone with one piece of glass right across like the newer version?
Dave VE4PN

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From: MOKE67@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:51:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RRO Digest

  Greetings from Chicago to all. Is the RRO digest still around? I've tried a
couple of different was to sign on with no luck. If it's up and running, what
is the proper sign on format?  Thanks for any help

Rich Range (as in Range Rover) WB9SFG

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:45:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: Re: jWindow treatment

Yes, I've seen this done. Works fine.

BUT, It's cheaper to replace one small sheet of glass than to replace the
whole thing.

Later,
Don

>Has anyone ever taken the centre metal piece out of the IIA window and
>gone with one piece of glass right across like the newer version?
>Dave VE4PN
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Don MacDonald				               <don@direct.ca>
	          <http://mypage.direct.ca/d/don>                           
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:07:28 -0500
From: Alain Hoffmann <AlainHoffmann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Heated Front Windscreens

This is not an commercial advertisement.

We are ordering heated front Windscreens at an english manufacturer. Only
drawback is he will only start producing them if we take at least 5. So if
anyone is interested in electricaly heated front glass for his
90/110/Defender please contact me directly at 100770.1655@Compuserve.com.
They have those very fine wires like the new Discos or BMW's which are
almost invisible.

Oh yes, the price will be around 150 £ (British) + SHIPPING/HANDLING from
here (Luxembourg, Europe) to your home.

BTW, anyone interested in heated mirrors for 90/110's? Work great in cold
or rainy weather.

                        ---ALAIN---

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: jWindow treatment
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 08:57:00 PST

I seem to remember reading somewhere that there was a problem with the glass 
cracking due to the bodywork flexing. The rounded corners on 90 and 110 
screens was to cure this problem. As someone else already pointed out it's 
cheaper to replace the glass for half the screen.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: David Place
Subject: jWindow treatment
Date: 31 March 1997 22:10

Has anyone ever taken the centre metal piece out of the IIA window and
gone with one piece of glass right across like the newer version?
Dave VE4PN

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From: "Jim Farmery" <farmer_j@pace2.pace.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:32:56 GMT
Subject: Series III Land Rover Purchase

I am about to purchase my first Land Rover, a series III W reg, 
diesel with a 2.5ltr engine for stlg2000 stlg.
I am considering a vehicle check from the AA - costing stlg160 - does 
this cover chassis condition ? Is it worth it ? I do not want tp 
parted from my hard earned cash only to find that I need a new 
chassis in two years (Or weeks !)
I am buying it from an Authorised LR  Dealer - does this give me any 
security ?
Finally two more questions - How does the 2.5ltr engine perform - 
would I be wise to fit an overdrive ?, it has damage to the rear 
panel behind the wheel including a small hole - how do I patch it ?.

Thanks 
He's painting his car with a paint brush !!!

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:56:42 +0000
Subject: Re: A few queries about my new SIII.

>Lenny,
>Welcome to the list, it's good to have some more Scottish based
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>ground clearance off-road. Against: 	a.	Depending on the engine you
>have, acceleration (never a 	strong point) will become diabolical. If

Erm.  I was under the impression that the 16 inch 
rims fittted as standard in th UK were teh same for teh SWB and the LWB? 
So you could simply drop 7.50s onto teh stock rims. Am I mistaken on 
this?

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:56:42 +0000
Subject: A few queries about my new SIII.

>I have 6.00 x 16 Avon Traction Mileage tyres, on SWB rims. What
>pressure should they be at????? 

I vaguely remember 35 front and !!45!! rear - for fully loaded and 35 
rear for unladen.
 
>If I wanted to change to radials with a road bias, would I be better
>getting LWB rims, or just road tyres to fit these rims??? (All the
>tyres are good, and I canna afford to change them now!) 

Yoiu can fit 205R16 radials or even 7.50s to the stock rims. I went for teh 
205s and the tyre life sshot up to 40-50k from 15k! But you can only
get M&S pattern tyres in this size - no pure road patterns :( So I am 
trying to wear all my 205s out at teh same time, then I change to 
7.50s (the speedo will need a new drve gear cos of teh taller tyre 
profile) cos then I have the choice of everything from dumper tyres to 
pure road-rib pattern truck tyres. Go for teh 7.50s cos you can get 
any type of tyre you wwant.

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Series III Land Rover Purchase
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 11:17:00 PST

>I am about to purchase my first Land Rover, a series III W reg,
>diesel with a 2.5ltr engine for stlg2000 stlg.
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>parted from my hard earned cash only to find that I need a new
>chassis in two years (Or weeks !)
The AA check should cover the chassis, if your still worried crawl 
underneath yourself armed with a sturdy screwdriver and start poking around. 
Poke and bang it hard, if it's sound you won't do it any harm.

>I am buying it from an Authorised LR  Dealer - does this give me any
>security ?
Would you trust ANY used car salesman ? :-)

>it has damage to the rear
>panel behind the wheel including a small hole - how do I patch it ?.
I used chemical metal ( an epoxy filler) on mine, but the purists will hate 
you for this approach.

>He's painting his car with a paint brush !!!
My friend's sIII was brush painted and looked quite good.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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