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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 12:19:29 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: Re: A few queries about my new SIII.

Lenny,
Welcome to the list, it's good to have some more Scottish based contributors.
As to the tyres, LWB rims will fit and there are pros and cons (Always the way 
with Landies).
For:
	a.	They will give better gearing in the cruise ie/ more speed at 	less revs. 
Therefore higher top speed (unlikely with a 2.25 diesel) or 	better economy at 
normal speed. Maybe even less noise.
	b.	They will give much better ground clearance off-road.
Against:
	a.	Depending on the engine you have, acceleration (never a 	strong point) 
will become diabolical. If you have the 2.25 diesel like 	mine the engine will 
cope, but only just and top speed will still be 	around 55.
	b.	The turning circle will expand noticeably. Try driving a 109 	off-	and 
compare it to an 88. That said, many find the increased 	ride height more than 
compensates for reduced maneuverability off 	road.
	c.	Your speedo will under-read by about 20%. A replacement is 	about £70 - or 
just do the mental maths.

If your current tyres are good, use them. My 109 has recently had a new set of 
rims and 750.16 BFG Trac Edge tyres. So far they are a good compromise, good 
traction off road and low wear and rolling resistance on it. However, at £95 
each I'd wait until you need them. I'd advise against fitting purely road 
tyres, at sometime you are bound to find an opportunity to use the red lever, 
and a set of van tyres would really embarrass you.

My Lindsay Porter Guide lists your tyre pressures, as 25 psi front and 30 psi 
rear. These stay the same if you fit 750.16s.

Jumping out of gear is a SIII gearbox trait. It is usually due to wear in the 
synchros which requires a gearbox removal to fix. It can be due to a weak 
detent spring in the selectors and this can be fixed (I am told) with the box 
still in place. Or you can just live with it and pray it doesn't happen to the 
MOT inspector. However, be very careful off road. My 109 jumps out of second 
which is annoying, if yours leaps out of first on a steep downslope it can be 
very dangerous. On difficult descents I would physically hold it in gear, or 
better still get a passenger to do it.

Your question about the lights is puzzling. My 1976 SIII has 5 warning lights, 
in the left hand clockface, a green Oil light, a blue Beam light and an orange 
Heat plug light. The right hand clockface has only a red Charge light. By the 
toggle switches to the right of these is a Low fuel level light, which on mine 
helpfully informs me when the tank is down to 97% full. All these lights are 
of the round faceted type. I can only guess that on your later model a 
rectangular Brake light has been fitted, perhaps you have some new fangled 
dual circuit system?

All the best with it.

Dave Lee
Forres, Scotland
1955 TR2
1976 SIII 109 Safari
djflee@msn.com

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:03:22 EST
Subject: Re: What cooked my starter?

>> We replaced the cable after we found that it was receiving twelve volts 
>>and delivering nine. Would the undersize wire possibly have caused the 
>>overheating? 

Are you sure that the voltage drop was in the wire and not in the 
connection at the starter post? Check for a voltage drop by leaving the 
wire connected, and then place one test lead on the wire end, and the other 
on the terminal. Any voltage that registers on your meter isn't getting 
through the connection. Add up the total of all of them and you'll be 
surprised how much voltage is being lost. Do the same thing on the ground 
side; you can even go straight from the starter body to the ground side of 
the battery, your meter should register 0. If it doesn't then check the 
other connections. Any voltage that doesn't get through a connection is 
going to be dissipated in the form of heat. If it cant get "out" of your 
starter, well...

Dave "OR something" B.
72 SIII SWB "Green Car" 

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From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:16:50 +0000
Subject: Re: A few queries about my new SIII.

On 31 Mar 97, David Lee wrote:

> ..... All these lights are
> of the round faceted type. I can only guess that on your later model
> a rectangular Brake light has been fitted, perhaps you have some new
> fangled dual circuit system?
The rectangular light refered to is indeed for a dual-brake system. 
It tells you when you have no fluid left in your system, and try to 
use the brakes!

A note on the orange lamp: It is either heater plugs or choke.

(another Scottish player..)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:02:51 +0000
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Car Transport

Dear Friends
I have decided to transport my 1962 Ser11A hybrid to Ct to have it re-wired. Mark Ohno 
is in North Haven Ct  and has lots of experience doing this work. He is presently 
re-doing my Nada 109. The man is a genius and a super craftmen.

Can anyone reccommend a Transportation Co who could transport(open) my truck from 
Orlando Fl to New Haven Ct?
Thanks
Benjamin G. Newman

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:22:05 EST
Subject: Re: A few queries about my new SIII.

>I have 6.00 x 16 Avon Traction Mileage tyres, on SWB rims. What pressure 
>should they be at????? 

This info canbe found in your the SIII Repair Operations Manual, and maybe 
the owners manual. Correct tyre pressure for an 88 with 7.50x16's is 25 
front and 30 rear, or 25 rear for softer ride, or emergency flotation 
pressure something like 12 psi.

>If I wanted to change to radials with a road bias, would I be better 
>getting LWB rims, or just road tyres to fit these rims??? (All the tyres 
>are good, and I canna afford to change them now!) 

Hmmm...you want "radials" with a road "bias". You are funny. I think you 
mean a road "tread pattern". Just get them the right size for your rims, 
and fit some radial style tubes if you're rims are original.

>I have indicator bulbs in the dash, however when I start to indicate, a 
>yellow lights glows momentarily, then goes out. It's in the small centre 
>console type bit! Any ideas why???? 

Could be the choke warning light, clean the sender connection on the front 
of the cylinde head right behind the thermostat housing, and the switch 
connections on the little box attached to the choke cable. This may or may 
not alleviate the problem. Usually strnage electrical faults such as this 
are due to a bad ground of the entire dash system. try tightening the thumb 
screws on the backs of the guages, and then find the black wire that goes 
from the accesory socket and disappears off into the main harness. This is 
the ground wire for all of your guages, etc. It usually terminates 
somewhere in the engine bay, make sure it's clean and well connected.

>Also in the centre console bit, there is a blue rectangular light. There 
>is a sticker above it which is only partially legible, something like 
>"....rake". I presume brake, but it never lights. Any ideas????? 

Probably the brake pressure warning light, is your vehicle equipped with a 
dual brake system? US SIII's were not bleesed with such devices, but we 
know they are out there. If luck is with you it will remain unlit.

>>  On a slight hill, muddy path, 1st low, it jumped out of gear a couple 
>>of times. I put it into 2nd low and it was fine.

A sure sign you'll need to rebuild the box eventually, if you wantt to do 
any real off-roading. Popping out of first on a steep descent could find 
you at the bottom in much shorter order than you might wish for, possibly 
on your neck! For now I'd stick with it, but i'd learn how to get down 
hills in low 2nd and pumping the brake slghtly. Descents that aren't very 
steep or that are steep but not long or muddy can usually be done in 2nd 
without brakes.  

Later
DaveB.                                                   
'72 SIII SWB "Green Car"
Arlington VA

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:50:32 EST
Subject: Re: Bad starter week and flooded roads

> the  starter motor spun but did not engage.  At some point I will have 
>to  take it apart and fix what is most likely the cyliniod but for now, = 
>thank god for the crank start.

Well, I doubt its the "cylinoid" (solenoid) becoause if it was the starter 
wouldn't be spinning. Our petrol models are fitted with "niertia" type 
starters that have a spiral groove machined onto the pinion shaft. There is 
a gear with spiral spline to match, and when the shaft turns, then gear 
wants to stay where it is and thereby gets sent spiraling backwards (toward 
the front of the truck) along the shaft until it engages the flywheel. When 
the speeds are equalized, the gear goes back forward on the shaft and its 
job is done. If you get a little rust or oil on the shaft, the gear can 
stick, and then the starter will just spin and spin until you run your 
battery down. Not puuling too much of a load, This could take a while. I 
have had this happen during: a. periods of heavey rain;  b. heavy 
off-roading involving deep water and mud, without the benefit of a wading 
plug; c. deep snow driving. Usually a few sharp blows with a length of 2x4 
placed vertically behind the exhaust manifold, or horizontally from inside 
the wheelwell if you have the exhaust manifold heatsheild fitted, will be 
enought to shock the pinion free from its stubborn position.

later
DaveB.
72 series III SWB "Green Car"
Arlington VA

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 9:17:00 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Transfer box PTO

Anybody out there know of or have sitting in their inventory a transfer 
case PTO? I am VERY interested.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 09:32:21 EST
Subject: Re: Car Transport

>Can anyone reccommend a Transportation Co who could transport(open) my truck 
>from Orlando Fl to New Haven Ct?

>Thanks
>Benjamin G. Newman

Ben-
Why don't you just leave the truck up north until it is done?
Seems like most of its mileage is spent on a trailer going up 95...
While you're at it, bring the darn thing up for the Mid Atlantic Rally this 
fall...

Hope you get it sorted out this time.

Cheers
Dave

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:00:38 -0800
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: Hey Jeff Aronson

Jeff;
I can't e-mail you, its always returned!
E-mail me at Matt@webspan.net...Thanks

To the rest of you, sorry for the none LR topic....;>

Matt

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: Market value of used winches
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 07:24:40 -0800
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Today's Opinion Poll
What's the fair market value (ballpark) of a used Warn M8274 winch 
(including remote control cable, roller fairlead, mounting plate, 
etc.) ? I have one that is surplus to my needs (came on a parts truck) 
that I'll probably try to sell/trade in the near future. Thanks.

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:34:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: "Whumpa whumpa" noise...

Yesterday my LR started making a "whumpa whumpa whumpa" noise from the back.
It is also starting to lean in one corner as well, it might be related, I'm
not sure. I drove over to my mechanics but he was out getting beer, so I
drove right home and put it in the garage until I figure this out. The noise
stops when the vehicle comes to a stop. On the drive, someone said a tire is
flat. How can I tell?

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:45:40 -0500
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: Car Transport

Ben,  I hear that Zippy's towing service is pretty good.  And Cheap!

>Dear Friends
>I have decided to transport my 1962 Ser11A hybrid to Ct to have it
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>Orlando Fl to New Haven Ct?
>Thanks
>Benjamin G. Newman

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 10:51:14 EST
Subject: Re: Market value of used winches

Today's Opinion Poll
What's the fair market value (ballpark) of a used Warn M8274 winch 
(including remote control cable, roller fairlead, mounting plate, 
etc.) ? I have one that is surplus to my needs (came on a parts truck) 
that I'll probably try to sell/trade in the near future. Thanks.

If all is in tip-top shape (gears, bearings, seals, motor, cables, 
switching, wire rope, hook, casing, etc) then maybe 500 bucks. Anything 
less then excellent condition means work for the new wner, and a possibly 
expensive purchase of parts. I refurbished an old pre-8274 M8000, for which 
parts are NLA. I put in all new bearings and seals, and replaced the cable 
and hook. I ditched the antiquated switching mechanism for a pair of 
ordinary starter solenoids wired in parallell activated by a switch on the 
dash. Doing the bearings meant complete tear down and reassembly of the 
winch. The sellers original asking price was 300 dollars, but i got 'im 
down to $175, ane then with about $50 bucks worth of bearings and seals, 
$75 for 150' of new cable and a hook, $20 worth of battery cable and $25 
for the two solenoids. So a total of about $350 clams. The 8274 is a little 
bit nicer than my model and has the distinct bonus of parts that are still 
manufactured. Oh, and it has a decent brake mechanism.
So I think $500 for a good one with nice cable is a fair deal.

later
DaveB.
72 SIII "Green Car"
Arlington VA 

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:57:43 -0700
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:02:25 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: "Whumpa whumpa" noise...

To determine whether a tire is flat, do the following:
Look at it. If it is round on top and flat on the bottom, it is most 
likely flat...that is to say that the desired tire pressure is no longer 
at a level that will give the desired performance charachteristics.
There are a couple of levels of severity. Level one is very low 
pressure...the sidewalls are bulged out and pressure reading is very low. 
Tire is driveable for a short period. Level two reveals a tire that is 
completly flat and has the roadwheel mushing the sidewalls out. Can't 
drive on it. Level three is a tire that has completely shredded and may 
have either rolled off the rim or is merely a carcass of flayed nylon 
cords and steel belting. 
Judging by the description of "whumpa, whumpa" an educated guess would 
place you in a level two or three siuation.
Remedial action is the removal of the roadwheel and its associated flat 
tire and replacement with a temporary spare.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:22:07 -6
Subject: Re: Market value of used winches

> Today's Opinion Poll
> What's the fair market value (ballpark) of a used Warn M8274 winch 
> (including remote control cable, roller fairlead, mounting plate, 
> etc.) ?
FWIW I paid $450-500 new for my 8274 in 1974 or 5.
I supose, like most things, it's worth what the market will bear. 
(ever priced '80's Star Wars toys?)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 11:22:30 EST
Subject: Re[2]: "Whumpa whumpa" noise...

 
>Remedial action is the removal of the roadwheel and its associated flat 
>tire and replacement with a temporary spare.

oh, but you forgot one last thing!
"re-installation is the reverse of removal"

This april fools joke was one day early

later
DaveB.
72 SIII SWB "Green Car"
Arlington VA

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:55:45 -0800 (PST)
From: "Bert P. Krages" <krages@teleport.com>
Subject: Hard Steering

I have a 1957 88-inch Series I.  I took it out on Saturday and noticed that
the steering has gotten really stiff.  So stiff in fact that the wheel will
not center itself coming out of a turn.  It was fine the last time I drove
(admittingly a couple of weeks ago).  Does anyone know what might be causing
this?

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:34:11 -0600
From: The Lizzard King <council@pop.gcnet.com>
Subject: Re: "Whumpa whumpa" noise...

JDolan2109@aol.com wrote:
> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
> Yesterday my LR started making a "whumpa whumpa whumpa" noise from the back.
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> stops when the vehicle comes to a stop. On the drive, someone said a tire is
> flat. How can I tell?
Perhaps it is simply a trick by the Whumpa Lumpas from the lucas
chocolate factory.

				Nathaniel

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:00:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The Final Cut

After weeks (seems like more) of agonizing, I will be replacing my dead 2.6
in my '69 109, with a Chevy 250. It seems the best choice for me given the
cost and ease of repair.

That said...I need to come by an adapter for the bellhousing from Scott
(Scotty). Whatever. 

Can someone please direct me to a source for these? 

Does anyone out there have any experience with this conversion? 

Any and all comments welcome!

Bill McDonald

'69 109" Safari- "Beauty"
'66 MGB- The Blue Car
'93 Eurovan- Kidwagen
'96 Passat VR6- Wifewagen

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:01:17 -0800 (PST)
From: " Fred  Herman" <hfherman@hotmail.com>
Subject: UK plates follow-up

This is a follow-up to the comments regarding using the original UK license
plates on Series Land-Rovers.  In Virginia it is legal and was recommended by
the Department of Motor Vehicles.  Also, I did not have to purchase vanity
plates, or pay any extra fee.
On another subject - does anyone have any extra side steps they would like to
sell?  If so, please E-Mail me directly.  Thanks. 
 

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:03:02 -0800 (PST)
From: " Fred  Herman" <hfherman@hotmail.com>
Subject: UK plates follow-up

This is a follow-up to the comments regarding using the original UK license
plates on Series Land-Rovers.  In Virginia it is legal and was recommended by
the Department of Motor Vehicles.  Also, I did not have to purchase vanity
plates, or pay any extra fee.
On another subject - does anyone have any extra side steps they would like to
sell?  If so, please E-Mail me directly.  Thanks. 
 P.S. I'm sorry if this was sent twice - I'm having some E-Mail problems.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:05:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Advice sought on refurb LR purchase

Josh,

I've seen/worked on two trucks from Renewed Traditions.  Both were decent
trucks and I think Sean treats the owners correctly.  He is not a mechanic,
etc, just a sales point.  The trucks are "overhauled" by AVON Landrovers in
the UK.  The do a good job of paint, trim, etc.  However, they must use
apprentices to work on the export trucks.  A lot of niggling things that
should have been corrected before they left the UK.  Nothing major, or that
you can't fix yourself (I replaced a defective tranny on one which Sean
supplied a very sound replacement).  Sean is good about supplying whatever
you need, and making sure the customer is satisfied.  The trucks are as he
advertises as far as condition and I wouldn't be afraid of as far as the
overall mechanics and the frame.  BTW, one of the trucks is for sale.  It is
a 109 with a V8/five speed and Defender style front end.  The truck is
strong, and other than some minor work (door seals, valley gasket on the
engine, etc.) is a great truck.  The seller got in over his head price wise
and just needs to sell it.  Last I knew, he was asking $13,000 for it.  It is
located outside of Richmond, VA.  Let me know if you're interested.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA  

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:26:49 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Big Bad Engine sounds

HELP !!
My '69 LWB 109 (no name yet) makes awfull engine sounds.
It's done it for all the 400 miles I've driven it, and I'd could use all
the help I can get :-)
It only happens when applying power, not when engine-braking and in the
first instance I thought it was a rather loud form of pinking. So I
tanked leaded petrol, did the egnition timing, checked the carb etc.
This has increaced power, and the noise! :-(
In retrospect it sounds a lot louder than pinking, and sounds more like
a big metal marble in the cylinder.
Could it be piston slap? I checked the valve clearances, and didn't see
any broken valve springs.
My plan was to convert to diesel some time, does this sound repairable,
or should I hurry the swap up a bit?

Second problem.....

LWB brake bleeding.... I've converted to dual braking system (thanks for
all the tips) and now I have a series III brake pedal assy, with vacuum
assisted master cylinder. However I can't get the brakes really hard.
I can press the pedal down 3/4 way down, afterwhich it's pretty hard. I
still don't have the vacuum hooked up but I don't believe that'll make
much differance, except in foot power neccesary.

I need to get her through the MOT tommorrow, so if anybody is the mood
for a bit of thought...

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From: "Broward Orthopaedic Specialists" <BOS@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Market value of used winches
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:00:16 -0500

What is the condition of the winch???

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:06:23 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: Fire ext.

I have my fire ext. mounted on the side of the front passanger seat
base.  On '94 & '95 Discos there is pleanty of space between the door
and seat base.  On '96 & '97 Discos they redesigned the bases and tere
is not enough room.

On '96 & '97s I've seen people mount them infront of the passanger seat
or on the kick panel.

David L Glaser             '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser#wam.umd.edu       '94 Discovery, Teal

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From: suprisdn@southeast.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:10:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Suwanne Rally Repost

This is a reminder that the 2nd Annual Suwannee River Valley Land Rover
Rally will be held the weekend of APRIL 18-20.

For those of you that missed the first post, my father and I will be
hosting the 2nd Annual Land Rover Rally/Swap Meet in Lake City, Florida.
Lake City is in Northeast Florida at the intersection of I-75 & I-10. We
will be camping in the Osceola National Forest located just East of Lake
City at West Tower Campground. This is a primitive campsight with a public
restroom. Lodging is also available in Lake City. We will be providing a
large portable cooker for everyone to use.

Sooo... make your plans to attend. Don't forget to bring your old parts,
tech info, stories, humor and spirit of adventure. For more information
please contact Nick Karantinos @ 904 752 0139 or Jim Karantinos @ 904 280
2156.

SuperStock Inc.
7660 Centurion Parkway

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:22:43 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Wading plugs

Dear all, Nick Fankhauser wanted to know about wading plugs and got some 
advice. Not that it really matters, but under normal circumstances the plug 
is off the hole in order to let any engine oil that trickles past the seal 
into the clutch housing drain out without contaminating the clutch. When 
wading, the ingress of water can be avoided by using the plug. 
Hope this helps
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:22:55 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Rear hub dismantling

Dear all, today I started dismantling the rear hub on Series I 107" S/W. It 
has a fully floating rear axle, similar, afaik, to later Series rear axles. 
The brake drum, brake shoes, brake cylinder, drive member and the halfshaft 
came off fairly easy. Them there was the big nut with the metal tab bent 
over it; I unbent the tab and used my genuine hub nut socket on it, but it 
would not budge. Since I did not have any long lever to use on the socket 
and it was getting late anyway, I stopped and came home to ask the list. Is 
there a trick? Or does one just use a long lever and strong words?

BTW, I found out that the long halfshaft on the vehicle looks a lot better 
than the spare I bought...

Thanks in advance
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:57:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Safari Gard

Everything you said about Safari Gard was right and then some.  I 
had a great visit with Geg and Brandi and spent a couple of nights 
camping in the mountains with some of their customers.  This will 
make a great story.  Thank you very much for the tip.

Did you ever tap into the information line and come up with info on 
the mid atlantic?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Kevin.

> Date:          Fri, 7 Feb 1997 
18:42:29 -0500
> Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> To:            Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> X-To:          lro@playground.sun.com
> From:          rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
> Subject:       Safari Gard

> Just took delivery of a Safari Gard bumper/brush guard and skid plate.  
> Folks, I'm here to tell ya' (and to borrow from a popular ad), "it don't get 
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>       |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
>       |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
>       *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:58:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Fire ext.

I carry my fire fighting equipment mounted up on the ledge for the 
alpine windows.  This may not work too well in extreme heat but here 
in Canada I have had no problems.  Also located in the rear end are 
my flares, tools and first aid kit.  Most of my equipment gets used 
to assist others so I like it all in one place and ir doesn't take 
long to get.

> Subject:       Re: Fire ext.

> I have my fire ext. mounted on the side of the front passanger seat
> base.  On '94 & '95 Discos there is pleanty of space between the door
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> David L Glaser             '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
> dlglaser#wam.umd.edu       '94 Discovery, Teal
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:26:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...

it was great looking at the comet last night with
the free nissan binoculars.  thanks to the land
rover list and the "...test drive a pathfinder..."
marketing campaign.

FYI, this was a 9 month ago nissan marketing campaign where
you could get a free set of binoculars if you test
drove a pathfinder.  great deal for me; not so great
for nissan.  advertised here on LRO among other places, likely
no-longer relevant.

man, i would kill to look at that comet with the binoculars
from some utah or colorado mountaintop...

lorri, how is the free pathfinder gym-bag?

still driving the old road...

Ray Harder -- siia 88 (LULU)

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:39:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...

The "Gym bag" is more like an overnight/travel bag.  It will hold my
binoculars (not obtained from Nissan) plus a camera to take pictures of
Hale-Bopp *and* it matches the color of my D90!  I also thought it a great
deal from both the LRO digest for learning of it and Nissan.  Now if we
could just get one of those mountains moved to this area... :-)

At 04:26 PM 3/31/97 -0600, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>it was great looking at the comet last night with
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>still driving the old road...
>Ray Harder -- siia 88 (LULU)
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:48:40 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: The Final Cut

At 01:00 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>That said...I need to come by an adapter for the bellhousing from Scott
>(Scotty). Whatever. 
>Can someone please direct me to a source for these? 

Try Scotty himself at <jhowat@aol.com>.  I think new adapters are around
$800-1000?  (Got mine used out of my other 109")

>Does anyone out there have any experience with this conversion? 

Not yet, but anyday now!  8^)  (Actually, yes, I have owned a 109 with a 250
mounted badly (SPOT) but it was great while it lasted.)  Brad Blevins also
has a real sweet 109 (the Sagecoach) wiht a 250 in it.  He's at
<unclebrad@aol.com>. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:48:47 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...

At 04:26 PM 3/31/97 -0600, you wrote:
>it was great looking at the comet last night with
>the free nissan binoculars.  thanks to the land

I never actually got around to taking the test drive to get the binocs, but
I do like the bag, and spotting the Disco in the video was great too!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:20:05 +0000

At 10:26 PM 3/31/97 +0000, you wrote:
>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>it was great looking at the comet last night with
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>still driving the old road...
>Ray Harder -- siia 88 (LULU)

>>That reminds me...I also saw the comet a few nites ago up in >>Saratoga,
NY  on a beautiful pitch black clear night,  the free >>Nissan binoculars
worked well. When I had gone to the Nissan >>dealer to have the *free
certificate validated the dealer asked me >>if I wanted a test drive in a
new Pathfinder ..I motioned out the >>window to where I had my Slla
parked...he just smiled and said...
>>You sure can't get any better 4X4 than that.. I don't blame you >>for not
wanting one of these things.
>>I took him for a ride and he loved it..
 
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:40:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RR actually waved

Was out in the IIA this weekend in the area SE of Phoenix.  
This area is full of cows, fields and farms.

On the way back into town, at a stop sign, a RR came 
across the front making a turn.  He slowed, did a 
double-take and then waved.  

Must be the Hale-Bopp influence....
Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"
'95 Disco "Great White"
'97 XD (no name...yet)

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hard Steering

Check steering box oil level. 
Rgds, Rick

`63 SIIa 88"  "Edina"
`96 Disco     "Patsy"
`97 Blazer    700miles and I think it`s to close to the Lucas vehicles:^)
 (already bad ignition coil)

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:32:33 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: RR actually waved

At 07:40 PM 31/03/97 -0500, GElam30092@aol.com, wrote

>On the way back into town, at a stop sign, a RR came 
>across the front making a turn.  He slowed, did a 
>double-take and then waved.  

VORIZO and I don't get out much these days, (bits and pieces of it are all
over the garage) but I've taken to waving at Discos and Range Rovers from my
wife's Golf as I drive around Calgary.  It's stunning how many puzzled
people will wave back.  I expect that with the collapse of Bre-X shares
there might be fewer to wave at.  I'm trying to train our two Border Collies
to bark Hi! at them on command.  

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:49:23 PST
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R Whitehead)

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:26:32 -0600 (CST) Ray Harder
<ccray@showme.missouri.edu> writes:
>it was great looking at the comet last night with
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>rover list and the "...test drive a pathfinder..."
>marketing campaign.

I also did that promotion-drove up in my 1966 Series IIA 88" and they all
looked at it. Then I took a drive in the Pathfinder, got them to sign the
card and left. Received the Binoculars and a mini maglite a few weeks
later. Has been nice looking at Hale Bopp through them.

Cheers

Chris

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Hard Steering
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:55:47 -0800

> I have a 1957 88-inch Series I.  I took it out on Saturday and noticed

that
> the steering has gotten really stiff.  So stiff in fact that the wheel
will
> not center itself coming out of a turn.  It was fine the last time I
drove
> (admittingly a couple of weeks ago).  Does anyone know what might be
causing
> this?

You may need to lube the front end and change/add fluid to the steering.

Frank

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:11:23 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: supplier experience -P.A.Blanchard

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> I wanted them shipped by air carrier to my front door.  The carrier handles
> customs, and import duties.  In this case, shipping was a little over 60%
> of the total cost of the goods.  The parts arrived at my front door about 3
> days after shipping.

My experiences with (smaller) orders from England to the US:

Parcel Post: delivered to my door, or pick up at the local post office.
Only once have I had to pay duty, and then there was a $5 fee for the
post office to collect it. PA Blanchard claims parcel post loses
shipments on a regular basis, but I haven't had a problem.

Fed Ex: Always have to pay duty plus a $10 or so brokerage fee, which is
billed after the delivery. Delivered to the door, but some one has to
sign for or you have to leave a note. Shipping is more than parcel post
but quicker.

Checked luggage: I have checked a SII rear exhaust pipe and other large
but not too heavy items which were well wrapped. So far there hasn't
been an overweight charge even though we've exceeded the limits. We've
kept the number of items within the allowance. However, I've heard that
the overweight charge is still a lot cheaper than alternative air
freight arrangements. Has anyone tried checking a gearbox or axle yet?

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 01:23:56 -0500
From: David L Glaser <dlglaser@wam.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: hale-bopp and the pathfinder binoculars...

For those who got free binoculars from Nissan,

Out of curiosity, what kind were they? were they good quality ?

I got the promotion in the mail but was too lazy to go down to the
dealership.

Rover On,
David L Glaser           '94 La Ruta Maya Discovery #6
dlglaser@wam.umd.edu     '94 Disco, Teal

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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:29:50 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Hard Steering

>New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
>I have a 1957 88-inch Series I.  I took it out on Saturday and noticed that
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>(admittingly a couple of weeks ago).  Does anyone know what might be causing
>this?
Bert,
        I don't know much about the series I's, but my series II needed to
have the steering relay topped up occasionally.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keeping the oily side down

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: LR/RR Pix
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:58:00 +1000

Sorry I've been away on holidays and whilst I was away my computer took
exception to working for a living.  I've lost lost but what is important
is that I don't know who wanted the LR/RR advertising pix nor to whom
I've actually sent stuff.

If I owe you pix let me know.  (I've got some more ads as well plus some
pix of the Aussie Kinetic Systems fitted 4wds with their absolutely
amazing articulation.  They look like they can articlatec several feet!

Regards,

Ron

PS I am several weeks behind on reading my mail.

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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 09:51:31 CST
From: "David Nalder" <David_Nalder_at_DTT.HU.BUDAPEST@dttus.com>
Subject: LR sigthing on TV

     Hi all
     
     Did anyone else see the program Travel Xpress on NBC Europe on Easter 
     Sunday?  They had a great item on Skibo Castle in Scotland which 
     included the Land Rover Offroad Academy and driving around the Scotish 
     moorlands in a red D90 and blue Disco TDi.  It looked pretty wet and 
     grey - reminded me of home! :-)
     
     David Nalder
     Kiwi in Exile
     85 110 V8 (in hibernation)

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:51:23 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan Payne)
Subject: It has srrived at last! '97 Disco V8i ES Auto, What a beauty!!!

Hi fellow Land Rover Owners

As you may remember I had a dud Discovery TDi ES Auto.

Well Land Rover S.A. replaced it for me with the V8i ES Auto (Oxford
blue Grey Leather)

The '97 Dicoverey is a totally different vehicle to the '96 version.

The differences are as follows:

1.  The build quality and finish is superb up 100%
2.  The wind noise from the doors is down 100%
3.  The suspension is softer but just as capable off road.
4.  No more manual aerial it is now fitted in the rear quarter window.
5.  Front seats have bun warmers.
6.  Front windscreen has a demister fitted (very fine wires).
8.  The Disco is quiet very quiet!
9.  The Radio and CD Changer works superbly, no jumps even in tough
    off road conditions.
10. Everything but everything works!!, totaly fault free.

It has POWER lots of POWER and Oh! that lovely burble of the V8.

Cheers

Stan

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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:51:23 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan Payne)
Subject: It has srrived at last! '97 Disco V8i ES Auto, What a beauty!!!

Hi fellow Land Rover Owners

As you may remember I had a dud Discovery TDi ES Auto.

Well Land Rover S.A. replaced it for me with the V8i ES Auto (Oxford
blue Grey Leather)

The '97 Dicoverey is a totally different vehicle to the '96 version.

The differences are as follows:

1.  The build quality and finish is superb up 100%
2.  The wind noise from the doors is down 100%
3.  The suspension is softer but just as capable off road.
4.  No more manual aerial it is now fitted in the rear quarter window.
5.  Front seats have bun warmers.
6.  Front windscreen has a demister fitted (very fine wires).
8.  The Disco is quiet very quiet!
9.  The Radio and CD Changer works superbly, no jumps even in tough
    off road conditions.
10. Everything but everything works!!, totaly fault free.

It has POWER lots of POWER and Oh! that lovely burble of the V8.

Cheers

Stan

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