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1 Dean Cording [dean@holly49Ballasted Coils (was: Engine Problems and cure!)
2 "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E0=E5=F19Re: 1959 88" Series 2 newbie
3 VossMotors@aol.com 8Re: Range Rover Repair Manuals
4 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi32Re: Number of...
5 David Cockey [dcockey@ti18Re: Series/Defender
6 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu27Re: Series/Defender
7 Thomas Spoto [tspoto@az.17Re: Waving
8 paarch@ix.netcom.com (Pa26Re: Sources for Rims needed
9 "Alan Logue" [logue@a01115Hello out there
10 Don MacDonald [don@direc30Re: Hello out there
11 Solihull@aol.com 21Re: Hello out there
12 Steve Rochna [75347.452@15Re: Help with door tops
13 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns23Re: Help with door tops
14 Jeremy John Bartlett [Sb28Re: Help with door tops
15 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns16Oil Filter Adapters and Bearing Burn Out
16 Jeremy John Bartlett [Sb25Re: Oil Filter Adapters and Bearing Burn Out
17 Franz Parzefall [franz@m24Re: Waving
18 "Langelaan, M.J.J." [M.J15[not specified]
19 Ross [fax.rescue@hunterl17Re: Hello out there
20 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u20Re: CB40 or Series 1
21 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M18 Series/Defender,Unusual in Advert
22 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu32Re: Series/Defender,Unusual in Advert


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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:59:30 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Ballasted Coils (was: Engine Problems and cure!)

On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Paul & Andy wrote:

> SYMPTOMS: bad running, leading to backfiring, misfiring and blowing back
> through the carb in extreme cases.
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> only to produce a bigger spark to aid starting, and after starting you
> go back to the ballasted feed.

This is not necessarily the correct solution in all cases.  Did you happen
to replace your coil at some stage?

Let me explain what the ballast resistor is for.

Originally ignition coils are designed to produce a certain amount of
spark and draw a certain current when fed with 12 volts.  However, when
starting the starter draws so much current that the voltage available to
the coil drops to around 6 volts.  As a result you get weak spark and poor
starting.

The solution to this problem is to design the coil to work with a lower
voltage.  By inserting a ballast resistor in series with the coil it is
fed with a lower voltage whilst the engine is running.  When starting the
ballast is bypassed so the coil is fed with the correct voltage and can
produce a strong spark.

Now, Lucas were never at the forefront of automotive electrical technology
and never (to my knowledge) produced a coil which used a ballast resistor.
So if you or a PO replaced the original coil be a generic replacement
ballasted coil you would get the same problem because you would be running
the coil at a higher voltage than it was designed for.  As a result it
will draw a higher current which will cause your points to arc, resulting
in burning and pitting.  It will also cause your coil to run hot and fail
prematurely.

So, if you replace your coil make sure you use a non-ballasted coil or
install a ballast resistor and cold start switch.

Dean

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Dean Cording                                   ASPECT Computing P/L
                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
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From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E0=E5=F4=E9=F8_=F0=E0=E4=F8=E9?=" <ofir_n@inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: 1959 88" Series 2 newbie
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:41:32 +0200

Hi Ross
Have fun with your new toy.
I conidered a '59 lwb but I'm still busy with my s2A 88" .
bye
Ofir Nahari
Israel

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> From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
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> web- http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~derf/swb/index.html
> 'Castrol' and '_________' -Australian Ex-Military Land-Rovers

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From: VossMotors@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:52:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Range Rover Repair Manuals

I have new, never been opened, Hard Bound, European Haynes, bumper to bumper,
Range Rover Shop Manuals, yours for $30

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:12:07 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Number of...

I wrote:

> >You never know where the name will come from. The state of Vermont 
> >named mine. Sort of. When I first bought it and registered it, the 
> >tags I received totoaly by chance (I hope) were 6A666.
> >Any guesses as to what all my friends started calling it?
and  John Dillingham wrtote:
> Nero? Latin and Greek letters have numerical values, as do arabic, which we,
> of course, use ten of, for all our math. Grafitti has been found in places
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> Ooh! LR content: The absence of LRs in Josephus' commentaries must lead me to
> believe the Romans armies used something else; camels? elephants? Thery
> didn't need LRs, they built *great* roads!
Well, it could be that. But sometimes the less obscure and more 
obvious is the answer. :-)
They started calling it the Antichrist (as I'm sure you guessed). I 
even had a filling station attendant in PA tell me he'd have returned 
the tags.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:40:35 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Series/Defender

> According to Taylor, Series I began in July 1948, Series II April 1958 to
> September, 1961, Series IIa September 1961 to September 1971, Series III, September
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> other written materials with different dates.  Don't know exactly which is
> correct, but Taylor seems pretty complete.

110 introduced in 1983
90 introduced in 1984
SIII production discontinued in 1985
90/110 renamed Defender in 1991

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:09:47 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Series/Defender

David Cockey wrote:
> > According to Taylor, Series I began in July 1948, Series II April 1958 to
> > September, 1961, Series IIa September 1961 to September 1971, Series III, September
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> 90/110 renamed Defender in 1991
> Regards,
> David Cockey

Hi guys,

I believe that well after the introduction of SIII certain large
customers (read military) still placed orders (which were promptly
filled) for SIIa wagons. I, for instance have a 1972 SIIa (date
authenticated on factory chassis plates).
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
http://africanadrenalin.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:17:33 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Waving

John & Sandy Cooper wrote:
> Why don`t the disco and range-rover owners wave at the series rigs?  A
> defender 90 looked, recognized, and waved at my series 11a but the others
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> which are a "dime a dozen" in this area do not even seem to know the history
> behind thier purchase.

On Saturday after a day skiing I was driving down the Mt. Baker Highway
(N.W. Washington State) and had a Discovery look at my series, smile and
return my wave. They are out there.

Tom

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:56:52 -0600 (CST)
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: Sources for Rims needed

John,
Last year I noticed that the ads in LROI/LRW had eight-spoke Mangel wheels
listed. I called my local America's tire shop and asked about them. The guy
took a couple of hours to get back to me with the answer that they could
get them. I believe they were around $40!!!!!! Hey if you want them for
your second set of wheels, or don't care about origionality, Why do you
have to spend over $100. for the LR stamp on the wheel.call your local
tire/wheel shop and ask about the Mangels. Hey they even come in chrome;-0
Paul
>I posted to the coil list for some rims for my Range Rover.  I thought I
>remembered somebody posting about a place here in the US for reasonably
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>2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
>4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
>1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

Paarch@ix.netcom.com
(510)353-1320
'58 Series II 88" 2-litre underpowered beast "surely"
'87 Range Rover "Squeak" new top end running great, for sale
'92 Ducati 750ss (California transportation)

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Hello out there
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:58:51 +0930

Are the lights on anywhere?
Is civilisation still alive?
It seems very quiet at the moment.
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 12:32:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Hello out there

>Are the lights on anywhere?
>Is civilisation still alive?
>It seems very quiet at the moment.

Lights are on!! Everyone must be rovering today!!

Could everyone's Rovers be running perfectly!!  =:0  !!!!

Later,
Don
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     \__/ "Tweety"  \__/		|            \__/           \__/         
Yellow 1966 Series IIA (refurbished)	|Project: Bronze Green 1964 Series IIA     
Overdrive, 33" mud tires, tinted windows|coil sprung, tint, tropical top...

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:57:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hello out there

>>It seems very quiet at the moment.
>Lights are on!! Everyone must be rovering today!!

>Could everyone's Rovers be running perfectly!!  =:0  !!!!

Not bloody likely!!

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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Date: 23 Mar 97 20:16:41 EST
From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Help with door tops

Shortly after I got this '72 88" I checked to see if the door tops would come
off.  Nope.  I squirted plenty of penetrating oil intothe holes and shook out
the loose flake rust.  I've tried many times since including today when I tried
a large hammer and chisel all with no results.

Any similar experiences or tricks?  I'll not force them until warmer weather
when I can afford to wait during shipping since I suspect I'll break one or
both.

Thanks.  Steve R.

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:04:45 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Help with door tops

Steve Rochna wrote:
> Shortly after I got this '72 88" I checked to see if the door tops would come
> off.  Nope.  I squirted plenty of penetrating oil intothe holes and shook out
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> both.
> Thanks.  Steve R.

Careful with the hammer and chisel. I put a couple of nuts on each bolt 
sticking down and came on gently with a hammer. One moved easily, the 
other was tough. They should both go evenly when they do move, so don't 
take out the top unless level. I ended up having to weld the bottom of 
the frame because the rust was severe and the one bolt had broken the 
frame from the pounding. So basicly, you take your time and repair it, or 
save some time and beat the living soul out of it and then repair it!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:29:50 -0800
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <Sbartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Help with door tops

Steve Rochna wrote:
> snip
> Shortly after I got this '72 88" I checked to see if the door tops would come
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> a large hammer and chisel all with no results.
> Any similar experiences or tricks?  

Be aware that this could get ugly.  I had a similar experience with
door tops on a '65 I fixed up.  One of the door tops was so rusted in
place that no amount of oil, heating, pounding would free it.  In the
end I slipped a hacksaw between the frame and window top and cut the
bolt off.  The window was trash anyway due to rust, but to replace
it with a new one I had to carefully drill out the remnant of the bolt/stud
that was rusted into the door frame.  Eventually I got most of the
bolt drilled out using a series of progressively large bits, but
the drilling wasn't perfectly true and I had to finish the job with
some rat tail filing.

Hope you have fun...you're going to need it before you tackle this one :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:29:30 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Oil Filter Adapters and Bearing Burn Out

Bob Bernard wrote that a couple of his buddys in California burnt out 
engines by installing the adapters backwards. These were in Series II, 
not IIa. Is there any difference in the way these are mounted on a II as 
opposed to a IIa? A friend of mine has an adapter and the holes seem to 
line up pretty good either way on a Series III block we have on an engine 
stand. We don't have a Series II ( his is a 1960 ) to compare it to. Any 
ideas as to this?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:05:35 -0800
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <Sbartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Filter Adapters and Bearing Burn Out

Con P. Seitl wrote:
 
 > Bob Bernard wrote that a couple of his buddys in California burnt out
 > engines by installing the adapters backwards. These were in Series II,
 > not IIa. Is there any difference in the way these are mounted on a II as
 > opposed to a IIa? A friend of mine has an adapter and the holes seem to
 > line up pretty good either way on a Series III block we have on an engine
 > stand. We don't have a Series II ( his is a 1960 ) to compare it to. Any
 > ideas as to this?

I can't gaurantee that I've got the same adaptor, but I'm using one on
a SIII block (swapped into a SIIA).  It seems to be working fine.  The
oil sender unit faces forward (not back as might seem logical).  The oil
pressure sender faces upwards as I recall.  It was installed as per instructions.

I'm not certain of the source of the part but I believe I got mine from BP.  

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Waving
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:58:13 +0100 (MET)

Tom writes:
| On Saturday after a day skiing I was driving down the Mt. Baker Highway
| (N.W. Washington State) and had a Discovery look at my series, smile and
| return my wave. They are out there.
Certainly they are. Over here all Series/90/110 owner wave back, but just
about 40% of the RR/Disco ownwers. From those who don't wave I allways
get this astonished 'do I know you' look (mostly women in RRs).

Keep the oily side down,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "Langelaan, M.J.J." <M.J.J.Langelaan@Getronics.nl>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:09:12 +0100

Hello there,

We are visiting the south of France at the end of April in a 1965, IIA 
88" LR.
We are wondering whether there are special off the road routes around 
Nice we can drive.
We are looking especially for rough mountain roads.

Marcel Langelaan the Netherelands
M.J.J.Langelaan@Getronics.nl

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:54:00 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Hello out there

Alan Logue wrote:
> Are the lights on anywhere?
> Is civilisation still alive?
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> South Australia
> Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443
xxxxxxxxx

Hello Alan, there must be a problem with the lro au, I have n't recvd
anything all week. A new green TDI for you later this month?
RF
'Castrol' and '___________' -Australian Army SWB 1959 & 1964

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: CB40 or Series 1
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 8:19:23 GMT

> > If you read "First Overland" (by Tim Slessor?) [the First Oxford & Cambridge
> > London-Singapore journey], one of the many reasons they chose the new
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> dimensions, the wheelbase was the same. Did the FO&CL-S party use 80s,
> 86s or 107s?

Not sure whether 80s or 86s - definitely not 107s. Can't remember the exact
year, but they used new vehicles donated by Rover.
They definitely thought Series Is were roomier than the jeep.

Ah, it was after '48 - India and Pakistan are mentioned as independant
countries! :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:31:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject:  Series/Defender,Unusual in Advert

In this mornings Times,it seems that the newspaper,in conjunction
with Virgin Airlines,are offering trips to the Sabi Sabi private
game park.The advert shows people observing the wildlife from
Land Rovers.One is nothing unusual,a S111 109 soft top,with top
removed doors off and windshield down.(I *was* a bit surprised
to see a topless Rover that close to a fully grown lion,though).
The other was a bit unusual.It looked like a 110,again topless,
but a station wagon.The rear passenger door is clearly visible.
Now I thought that station wagons had one piece doors,and certainly
didnt come with a soft top option.Would this be a local mod,or
did the South African market support such things from new.Paul?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:52:59 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Series/Defender,Unusual in Advert

Mike Rooth wrote:
> In this mornings Times,it seems that the newspaper,in conjunction
> with Virgin Airlines,are offering trips to the Sabi Sabi private
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> Cheers
> Mike Rooth

Nothing surprising about open game viewing vehicles in close proximity
to dangerous game, the theory goes that the animals see the vehicle and
it's occupants as a single unit, so as long as the person doesn't leave
- separate him or herself from - the vehicle the animal won't perceive
them as a viable source of nourishment. Elephants and rhino are well
known to have attacked vehicles before, in these instances the fact of
having a flimsy roof over ones head does not provide much comfort.

Series (two-piece) doors are in demand locally. For a set of series
doors in good condition you can get a set of brand new 1 piece doors.
There are a number of outfits who purchase new vehicles and then convert
them for game viewing.

Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
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