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From: oboskyr@mail.interquest.de
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:20:16 +0000
Subject: what is she ?

Hi Y'all,

Im a green horn Series III LR owner with a few "gee wiz" questions.  My 
82' LWB is an ex-military vehicle that I would like to know a little more 
about.  Firstly, she is equipped with HF, VHF and UHF comm radio hook-
ups; along with large antenna mounts located on both front fenders (wings).  
She also has (for lack of a better word)" black-out lights" at the front and rear 
that I guess are used for sneaking around at night.  Her electrical system is 
24 volts energized by a huge alternator mounted to a 3.5 liter V-8.  She is a 
three door painted tan.  Does anyone know what this particular version LR 
was used for in the military ? were they fairly common ?

Secondly, the drive train seams to be "full-time" four wheel drive with a 
locking "centre" differential in the transfer box. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 
I think that means that she is driving one out of four wheels at any one time; 
unless the center diff is locked, in which case she would drive one front and 
one rear wheel.  Is this a true assessment of how her drive train works ?  does 
that mean I cannot install free-wheeling hubs on the front axle for better gas 
mileage ?  and lastly, what are the benefits to this type of drive train ?

Cheers,

Reggie
82' III 109 (Matilda) 

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:36:54 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: 4wd rentals for Botswana

Dear all, I have superficially investigated the 4wd rental situation in 
Botswana, Namibia, SA, and Zimbabwe for our Botswana vacation. I even found 
some companies that rent Landrovers! If anybody is interested in a summary 
with fax and telephone numbers, please email me directly.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:32:12 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: what is she ?

> My 82' LWB is an ex-military vehicle that I would like to know a little more 
> about. Does anyone know what this particular version LR 
> was used for in the military ? were they fairly common ?
> Secondly, the drive train seams to be "full-time" four wheel drive with a 
> locking "centre" differential in the transfer box.

It's a military version of a "Stage I", built between '79 and '83. The
engine was a low power version of the V8 fitted with restrictor plates
in the manifold. The gearboxes are from the contemporary RR with full
time 4WD, and the axles have 3.54 ratios. Chassis, suspension and brakes
are developed from the SIII. A new hood and grille panel are fitted to
move the radiator forward. No idea how many military versions were
built, but civilan versions are not rare in Britain.

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but 
> I think that means that she is driving one out of four wheels at any one time; 
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> that mean I cannot install free-wheeling hubs on the front axle for better gas 
> mileage ?  and lastly, what are the benefits to this type of drive train ?

Not quite right. A conventional open differential splits torque
(twisting force) evenly to the two outputs. So at an axle both wheels
have the same torque applied and drive equally. This means if one wheel
is on ice and spinning , the torque to the non-spinning wheel will be
the same as the torque to the spinning wheel, which may not be
sufficient to move the vehicle. Hence the impression that only one wheel
is driving. The same thing happens between the front and rear axles with
an open differential between them. Thus when one wheel loses traction,
the torque at the other three wheels will be the same as the spinning
wheel. All 4 wheels are driving equally, but are limited by the traction
at the spinning wheel.

When the center diff is locked, then the front and rear prop shafts are
locked together, and the torque split between them will be what ever is
required for the shafts to turn at the same speed. Then, with open axle
diffs, one wheel on each axle can spin. Hence the impression that only
two wheels are driving. This is the same as a Series LR in 4wd.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: What do you mean no CKD Rover
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:40:17 -0800

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS WAS A JOKE?.  I just quit my job and sold off my =
life savings to buy Four of these things.  I planned to build the four, =
sell three, keep one for myself, and make about $10,000 for my troubles. =
 Now I find out it was a joke.  Piss.

John Putnam
out of work surveyor
Forest Grove, OR
'70 SIIa SWB

P.S.

If anyone needs a surveyor,  PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:33:13 -0800
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Trevor,

Could you please send me a copy direct at jdputnam@paficier.com

Thank and good roving.

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR

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From: 	Easton Trevor[SMTP:Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 19, 1997 4:46 AM
Subject: 	Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds

Some months ago I offered to list members a PDF file of articles about
oils and additives. If anyone would like a copy who missed it last time
Email me directly and I'll post you the file (160K). After you read all
about them you may be tempted to take up walking.
Trevor
trevor_easton@dofasco.ca (don't forget the underscore)

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:50:56 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: CB40  dubbed Freelander

Hi All,
Today's UK Daily Telegraph carries the first official LR -released pic of
the CB40 which will make its debut at the frankfurt Motor Show in sept. and
go on sale in 1998. It looks a bit like a Toymota RAV4 and will be
available in 3-and5-door form with 1.8 litre petrol or 2 litre diesel
engine, but will have a 2.6litre V6 for US market  18 months later (it sez
'ere).The 3-door variant has a forward folding ragtop at the back enbd ther
is also a hardtop variant. Full-time FWD. release price 15,000 to 20,000
Quids of the Realm.
  The Torygraph says:" The strange name was the result of market research
in Land Rover's target markets around the world, particularlarly Germany."
Unquote.
  No other details but I think the Freeloader looks like it will appeal to
makers of TV ads for lady's deoderants and possibly hair stylists in
Kensington. 
Cheers
Mike Gaines, Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:50:56 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: CB40  dubbed Freelander

Hi All,
Today's UK Daily Telegraph carries the first official LR -released pic of
the CB40 which will make its debut at the frankfurt Motor Show in sept. and
go on sale in 1998. It looks a bit like a Toymota RAV4 and will be
available in 3-and5-door form with 1.8 litre petrol or 2 litre diesel
engine, but will have a 2.6litre V6 for US market  18 months later (it sez
'ere).The 3-door variant has a forward folding ragtop at the back enbd ther
is also a hardtop variant. Full-time FWD. release price 15,000 to 20,000
Quids of the Realm.
  The Torygraph says:" The strange name was the result of market research
in Land Rover's target markets around the world, particularlarly Germany."
Unquote.
  No other details but I think the Freeloader looks like it will appeal to
makers of TV ads for lady's deoderants and possibly hair stylists in
Kensington. 
Cheers
Mike Gaines, Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:50:56 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: CB40  dubbed Freelander

Hi All,
Today's UK Daily Telegraph carries the first official LR -released pic of
the CB40 which will make its debut at the frankfurt Motor Show in sept. and
go on sale in 1998. It looks a bit like a Toymota RAV4 and will be
available in 3-and5-door form with 1.8 litre petrol or 2 litre diesel
engine, but will have a 2.6litre V6 for US market  18 months later (it sez
'ere).The 3-door variant has a forward folding ragtop at the back enbd ther
is also a hardtop variant. Full-time FWD. release price 15,000 to 20,000
Quids of the Realm.
  The Torygraph says:" The strange name was the result of market research
in Land Rover's target markets around the world, particularlarly Germany."
Unquote.
  No other details but I think the Freeloader looks like it will appeal to
makers of TV ads for lady's deoderants and possibly hair stylists in
Kensington. 
Cheers
Mike Gaines, Slll Lightweight 'Wicked Wanda'

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 21 Mar 97 20:45:53 +0000
Subject: A few queries about my new SIII.

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)

Hi there all,

I've had my Landie about a week now, so I've got a few things you might 
be able to help with???? What a bunch of great guys!!!! :-)

I have 6.00 x 16 Avon Traction Mileage tyres, on SWB rims. What pressure 
should they be at?????

If I wanted to change to radials with a road bias, would I be better 
getting LWB rims, or just road tyres to fit these rims??? (All the tyres 
are good, and I canna afford to change them now!)

I have indicator bulbs in the dash, however when I start to indicate, a 
yellow lights glows momentarily, then goes out. It's in the small centre 
console type bit! Any ideas why????

Also in the centre console bit, there is a blue rectangular light. There 
is a sticker above it which is only partially legible, something like 
"....rake". I presume brake, but it never lights. Any ideas?????

I took it off-road tonight for the first time!!! :-))))  On a slight 
hill, muddy path, 1st low, it jumped out of gear a couple of times. I 
put it into 2nd low and it was fine. I tried to get it to jump out of 
1st low a bit further along the track, but it held fine!!  ???????

Sorry about all these questions, but it's my first Landie!!

TIA....
 
Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  65/3
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1980 ser III 88" Diesel                       ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... Power corrupts.  Absolute power is kind of neat.
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:10:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Number of...

>You never know where the name will come from. The state of Vermont 
>named mine. Sort of. When I first bought it and registered it, the 
>tags I received totoaly by chance (I hope) were 6A666.
>Any guesses as to what all my friends started calling it?

Nero? Latin and Greek letters have numerical values, as do arabic, which we,
of course, use ten of, for all our math. Grafitti has been found in places
like Pompeii that read in part, "...loves her whose number is..." Nero's
number in Greek is six hundred and sixty six. In Latin, it's six hundred and
sixteen. Some translations of John's Revelation used *that* number instead of
666. Some scholars believe John was writing of the fall of Jerusalem and
destruction of the temple in 70AD, not the interpretations of Scofield or Hal
Lindsey, who bought many acres of this late great planet, with money he made
off his books.
Ooh! LR content: The absence of LRs in Josephus' commentaries must lead me to
believe the Romans armies used something else; camels? elephants? Thery
didn't need LRs, they built *great* roads!

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!   

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:36:21 -0800 (PST)
From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.)
Subject: Re: LR Male or Female?

Dear friends of Land Rover,

In Italy, too, every motor vehicle is referred to as feminine. Hence Una
Land Rover, or La Range Rover. A four wheel drive Fiat Panda, due to its
small size and familiar boxy shape is lovingly called "Una Piccola Range Rover."

Frank
1969 Ser IIa "88"

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>SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
>SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:39:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Major & Minor upcoming Land Rover Events

The web page at 

	http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/upcoming.other.html 

has been updated with more events, links, et cetera.  The section on
British events has been greatly expanded.  (Sorry, know nothing about
events in Australia etc at this time) 

For North America, a periodic annoying-type message...

If lucky, this will get reposted about once a month, in unlucky, about 
once a week...  Send changes to dkenner@emr.ca 

In general, for North America, information on the larger events can be 
found at: http://off-road.com/RoverWeb/Events/annual_events.html  This
list is just to make people aware of dates for scheduling purposes.  It
is not to give details, small local club events, be a FAQ in its own.  Go
to the site above, or the sites listed below for more information on 
particular events.

More details on the events below (as well as other smaller, local club 
events) can be found at -

	http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/upcoming.other.html

Date		Event
------------	------------------------------------------------
Late May	"May Days",  Parkersburg, West Virginia (BRLRC)
		For general information, contacts etc. -
		 http://www.coe.wvu.edu/~wwwatf/brlrc/brlrc.html

Mid June	British Car Day, Allen Pond, Bowie, Maryland

June 20-22 	Birthday Party, Silver Lake Ontario (OVLR)
		For general information, contacts etc. -
		 http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/

June 28-29	Downeast Rally, Camden Maine
		For general information...
		 http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/Events/DER.history.html

August 14-17	National Rally, Colorado, (Solihull Society)
		For general information, contacts etc. - 
		 http://www.du.edu/~tomills/solisoc.html

Labour Day	All British Field Meet, Portland, Oregon
		(1st weekend Sept.)

mid September	British Invasion, Stowe Vermont

Oct 3 - 5	Mid-Atlantic Rally, Penlan Farm, Virginia (ROAV)
		For general information - 
		 http://204.119.251.4/RoverWeb/Mid-AtlanticII/Middy95.html

October 10-12	Fall Heritage, western Massachussets (BSROA)	
		web - http://www.bsroa.com/

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 22:17:11 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Prince of Darkness Strikes Again

The starter died. The relay would click, but the starter was dead as a
Dalek. We discovered that the aftermarket positive line from the relay to
the starter was delivering only nine volts. Bingo, sez me! Replaced the
skinny little aftermarket cable with a one-gauge ("six-volt") line, and
twelve volts came from the relay. After much cussing, got the starter again
wired up, and still nothing happened.

Removed the starter and opened up the back end. It was packed with a
granular grey dust that might have been the brushes.  The starter was
opened and cleaned last year, when the post at the back came loose. The
local electrical shop reset the terminal post and must have cleaned it up.
The brushes appear to be much older than a year old.  So what happened? Why
would the brushes disintegrate so quickly? Should I just replace the
brushes and continue as if nothing had happened?

  _______
. |___|__\_==
. | _ |  | --]   Ned Heite,                <DARWIN><
. =(O)-----(O)=  Camden, DE 19934          / \  / \
---------------------------------
"Baby" Series IIA 88" 2.25L petrol Land Rover
Wool Camp in Iceland:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland------------
Recent research:  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html -----
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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:52:40 -0800
From: con seitl <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Series/Defender

I have long wondered the years of the series Land Rovers compared to the 
Defenders.  I always thought that the series Land Rovers went from 
1948-1979, and the Defenders went from '80 on.  Any one with information 
on this, please respond.
        
Thanks, Nick Seitl

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From: N4PTK@InfoAve.Net
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:28:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Series/Defender

(snip)....
>I have long wondered the years of the series Land Rovers.....I always
<thought that the series Land Rovers went from 1948-1979....

Hi Nick,

        May I recommend a book entitled The Land-Rover, 1948-1988 by
James Taylor to answer your questions about the "series" land rovers.
I have never really been into Discoveries, so I don't have any information
on them.
        According to Taylor, Series I began in July 1948, Series II April
1958 to
September, 1961, Series IIa September 1961 to September 1971, Series III,
September
1971 to March 1983 (?).  The 110 and 90 were introduced, according to Taylor
in March 1983 and ran until 1979 (?).  Hope this helps.  Think I have seen
other written materials with different dates.  Don't know exactly which is
correct, but Taylor seems pretty complete.

Larry Matthews
n4ptk@infoave.net

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Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:59:42 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Waving

Why don`t the disco and range-rover owners wave at the series rigs?  A
defender 90 looked, recognized, and waved at my series 11a but the others
which are a "dime a dozen" in this area do not even seem to know the history
behind thier purchase.                        

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:57:07 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Sources for Rims needed

I posted to the coil list for some rims for my Range Rover.  I thought I
remembered somebody posting about a place here in the US for reasonably
priced steel rims?  If anyone has the information, could they E-mail it to
me?

Thanks in advance!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 509th COUGARS/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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Date: 	Sun, 23 Mar 1997 11:05:13 +0000
From: Paul & Andy <paul@wda.u-net.com>
Subject: Engine Problems and cure!

I have had problems with my landy recently, which I have finally managed
to cure and thought that I would pass on details so that no one else has
the same hassle that I had.

The problem was bad running, It always lacked power, but it started
getting worse and worse, I tried all the usual things, new plugs points
etc. which improved things slightly but it slowly went worse,
backfireing lumpy jerky driving till finally it would tick over nice and
smooth but if I tried to drive I would get to the end of the road and
have to turn back.

After having 3 friends look at it and scratch thier heads I decided to
call out the Home-Tune man. He asked what the problem was checked fuel,
compression and then pulled the points out and told me the problems.

PROBLEM:  points and condenser burning out,
SYMPTOMS: bad running, leading to backfiring, misfiring and blowing back
through the carb in extreme cases.
LOOK FOR: Blue face on points, white deposits round edge of points face,
pitting of face.
CAUSE:    you have got 12v going accross the points, this is not good
for the life of the points.
SOLUTION: Get hold of a ballast resistor and connect it up to the coil
feed, plus new points and condenser cos the old ones are probably dead
now.

The guy also advised on fitting a cold start solonoid to replace my
standard starter solonoid, this puts 12v accross the coil for starting
only to produce a bigger spark to aid starting, and after starting you
go back to the ballasted feed.

So after following the mans advice I fitted this new kit and it started
first turn of the key and now runs smooth as silk (or as smooth as a
landy will run :-) ) and I now seem to have the power that was always
missing.

I hope this advice proves usful to anyone.

Andrew Daintree, S3 lwb, no beard.

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Real time vs Digest mode
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:04:19 +0930

Can someone please enlighten me?
I decided to unsubscribe from the real time list, and go to digest mode to
reduce the number of messages coming through. The unsubscribing went OK and
the messages stopped coming.
To double check that I was still subscribed to the digests (CSO,LRO,
UK/EIRE), I sent subscription requests to the Major, and was rewarded with
the messages that I was already subscribed.
Ah Ha I thought, all is fixed - now I'll only get 3 large digests each day
or so, and things will be fine.
NOT SO!
The messages went dead. No realtime (as I expected), but also no digests
for 3 days or so. I've now resubscribed to the real time lists again, but
would really appreciate someone letting me know what gives.
TIA
Alan
Series III Ex Mil Pol soon to be a BRAND NEW GREEN DEFENDER TDI WAGON>
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:28:40 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: 1959 88" Series 2 newbie

Today I brought the one and Australian army series 2 SWB I have ever
seen. It was a Mil veh auction at our local museum. "143901054" was in
storage since 1985. I have set it free and it is out on the lawn
enjoying fresh air (mostly thru the chassis). So here I am on Sunday
night the proud owner of a bucket of bolts from Warwickshire circa 1959:
"TRUCK COMMAND RECONNAISSANCE 1/4 TON LAND ROVER SERIES 2". A photo will
be up later in the week... 
RF
web- http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~derf/swb/index.html
        
'Castrol' and '_________' -Australian Ex-Military Land-Rovers

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