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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:23:43 -0100 Subject: unsubscribe From: ukequim@ukccmail.snads.philips.nl (Martin ukequim Quinnell at UKLTGLOCAL) unsubscribe ukequim@ukccmail.snads.philips.nl ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:14:37 -500 Subject: LR Male or Female? I have stayed away from this LR naming thread till now. I notice mainly masculine names. Does this imply that Series LRs are male, not female? Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:33:20 -0500
Subject: Re: LR Male or Female?
>I have stayed away from this LR naming thread till now.
Smart man.... 8*)
>I notice mainly masculine names.
>Does this imply that Series LRs are male, not female?
>Mark
Determinism and sexual stereotyping in Land-Rover naming conventions:
By Alan J. Richer
In the namng of inanimate objects, ofttimes humans will
anthromorphize physical human-species-specific characteristics
onto the object at hand in an effort to identify with traits they deem
favorable in the design or creation of the object at hand (to wit, the
object being named...).
{24 pages of drivel deleted...}
In a word, not necessarily, but they're usually named that way.
Anyway, when was the last time you met a female member of
the species that was as (honestly, now...) butt-ugly as a Series
Rover?
Leave my mother-in-law out of it.....8*)
I think the reason that most are names with more-or-less male
names is that they aren't "pretty toys", but rugged, no-nonsense
vehicles, and most people's mindset extends male characteristics
to that.
aj"Your mileage may vary"r
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:46:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Pinto Carbs
>You're right, the older Rochester is the one I had on my Series III for
>a few years. I think I would prefer keeping the oil bath air cleaner
>than going to a paper air cleaner, but I guess a lot of that depends on
>how you use the vehicle and where you live.
This is why they invented screwdrivers.....8*)
On-road, or in decent conditions the paper element lets it breathe much
better.
Off road in dust or in water conditions, I put the oil-bath back on and
lean the mix a bit - works great with an adapter ring (10 minutes and a bit
of aluminum later...8*) )
It's one of the compromises I make to drive it daily - Darwinian
adaptation, so to speak.
Alan
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]Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:40:48 -0800 From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Subject: Re: LR Male or Female? At 8:14 PM 3/19/97 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote: >I have stayed away from this LR naming thread till now. >I notice mainly masculine names. [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)] >Does this imply that Series LRs are male, not female? >Mark Mark it think its a personal thing. It depends upon how you think of your car, your relationship with your car, and where your comfort levels are. I want my cars to be dependable so I call them her ;*) The Name The Green Rover is neuter, but I always refer to her as her. TeriAnn Wakeman For personal mail, please start subject line Santa Cruz California with TW. I belong to 4 high volume mail lists twakeman@scruznet.com and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109, 1961 Triumph TR3A ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: Re: oil filters On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Dixon Kenner wrote: > I like a Elizabethian thatched roof pick-up cab.... My name is > nameless, but I am here... You name is Dale and we know where you live... (Thatched roof is another though...) <sigh> ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:56:12 -0800 From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> Subject: Re: LR Male or Female? Mark Gehlhausen wrote: > snip > I have stayed away from this LR naming thread till now. > I notice mainly masculine names. > Does this imply that Series LRs are male, not female? Well here's my personal addition to the stats: Winston (51 S1 80) - "male" Mathilda (65 SIIA 109SW) - "female" Diana (83 RR Vogue) - "female" Samson (94 D90 NAS) - "male" Seems like an equal split to me. Does this qualify me as an equal opportunity driver? cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:18:10 -0500 From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk) Subject: Re: LR Male or Female? Here in Central New York, there are a few of us that have a sort-of Co-Op. Between the three of us we have six Rovers. They are named: Booger SIIa Gromit SIIa Mr Grey SIIa Monty SIII Chester SIII Jezebel SIII The only fem named. also the one who gives up her bits when any of the other "males" need it. Hence the name. Cheers 74 SIII 88 (Chester) 73 SIII 88 (Jezebel) everyone's gettin some http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:45:10 -0500 From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov> Subject: Re: LR Male or Female? Die, oh wicked 'names' thread,... DIE ! Bill Adams 3D Artist/Animator '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon: "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching" ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool) Subject: Re: CKD article ba****d Simon, >further to the article I posted to the list . . . >seems I was suckerred! and I don't find it funny! [snip, snip, snip] >I am sorry if I suckerred you in unwittingly I unreservedly apologise for >that I'll admit it got me pretty excited, too. But it was still jolly good fun, eh, wot? Cheers, Granny ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Hudson29@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:48:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Land Rover Names Several perceptive persons have pointed out that names are a very personal thing. I couldn't agree more. The decision must come from within each person, & the Land Rover should suggest it's own name in some manner. Once again, no argument. Having said that, we all know that one's family & friends have profound influence on our private decisions about such things. I don't know another soul daft enough to even want to own a Land Rover, & my family have long since written me off for wanting to keep that uncomfortable old relic. "What good is it anyway? We live in the city!" I'm sure some of you have heard it yourselves. So folks, your it! Your my Land Rover family & friends. As for the uncharitable comment someone posted that my poor car's lack of a name was because "no one's home under the bonnet...," "She Who Must Be Obeyed" has said something similar for years! I value your suggestions, keep 'em coming! Paul O'Neil '71 SIIA SW (unchristened) Fullerton, CA USA Hudson29@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Hudson29@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:50:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: More Name Suggestions I have had a couple of Python names suggestions including Wanda as in "Wanda The Fish." "Wander" works not just with fish, but because it "wanders" all over the road. Or how about "Eric The Half-a-Rover?" Or "The Spanish Inquisition", thinking of those (alleged) springs on the freeway expansion cracks. Paul O'Neil '71 SIIA SW (unchristened) Fullerton, CA USA Hudson29@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:01:19 -0800 From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph At 10:47 AM 3/19/97 MST, you wrote: >: Freelander. >Hmmm...kind of "cute" -- better than the RAV4 anyway. Definite >"family resemblance" to the Range Rover. It'll never replace >my D90, but if/when it hits The States it has the potential to >displace the wife's Subaru... I thought I saw the Disco there in that roofline... I agree, though, if I were to buy an ordinary car, why not a Land Rover? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:32:30 +0000 From: Wisdom Personified <guru@manhole.ow.nl> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hi, Around the 1'st of July myself, wife and children (one of which is a 72 SIII 109 24v FFR) will be moving from Holland to NC Ohio (SE of Akron). I was wondering if there are other Land Rover owners around that area that would like to get together and swap "war stories" and do some occasional 'wheeling. If so let me know via E-mail (unless there are others here with the same interests). Greetings, Todd ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> Subject: LRO Shop sets up another way to find out about events... LRO Shop has set up a number (905-436-7813) for people to phone and get recorded messages on the larger Land Rover events that are happening around the countryside. As LRO Shop had the equipment available I think it is pretty good of them to give this service to the North American clubs to help disseminate information on events to callers. It will be nice to have a central number to call for information (Dates, locations, costs, contacts for more information etc.) for all those people who are not necessarily in a club or have access to the internet yet might want to attend an event. Currently there is information on the Downeast Rally and the Birthday Party available to callers. I understand more will be added shortly. Rgds, Dixon ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 01:34:22 UT From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com> Subject: RE: CKD article ba****d Simon, Don't feel too bad... In theory there is no reason we in the USA could'nt get hold of a CKD if Land ROver is already doing it for other countries. We are rapidlly approaching the day when we will not see any new defenders due to US Fed. Regulations. So this CKD option gives us a " KIT " landy to import and avoid terrifs and reg's.. Thanks Anyway JWROVER@MSN.COM ---------- From: Granville Pool Sent: Thursday, March 20, 1997 10:04 AM Subject: Re: CKD article ba****d Simon, >further to the article I posted to the list . . . >seems I was suckerred! and I don't find it funny! [snip, snip, snip] >I am sorry if I suckerred you in unwittingly I unreservedly apologise for >that I'll admit it got me pretty excited, too. But it was still jolly good fun, eh, wot? Cheers, Granny ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:38:45 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: LRO Shop sets up another way to find out about events...
At 04:38 PM 20/03/97 -0500, Dixon Kenner, wrote
> LRO Shop has set up a number (905-436-7813)
>I think it is pretty good of them to give this service to the North
>American clubs
Yeah it is nice, and nice enough to tip me all the way over to finally
buying some stuff from them. Thanks Dixon.
Rick Grant
Cobra Media Communications, Calgary Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
rgrant@cadvision.com
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]From: brstore@ibm.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 21:47:34 PST Subject: A good day out (longish) Hi all Went out and did a little off-roading last Saturday and had a most excellent time. The Central Ontario 4 X 4 Club was putting on their Snowball Fun Rally on Sunday but wanted to pre run the trails to make sure they were still passable after the big dumping of snow that fell around here all day Friday. A friend in the club asked a few of us along and not having been off the road much this winter we jumped at the chance. The Land Rover marquee was well represented as far as leaf sprung vehicles were concerned . Our little group consisted of an 88, a 109 (both SIII’s) and a 101. It would be a great opportunity to show this big club of dodge, nissan, jeep, toyota and suzuki owners what our 20+ year old lumps could do. At the start we split into two smaller groups of about seven vehicles each and set off for different parts of the trail just north of Oshawa (near Toronto), with the Landies at the tail of the second group. Within ten minutes the lead truck in our group, a big dodge ram, was bogged down in a 30 inch high snow drift. With the temperature at -10c and the winds blowing the snow into near whiteout conditions at times, the club guys were ready to declare this section of the route impassable after several attempts to get through. This was our big chance to save the day so Tom Tollefson in his 101 moved to the front of the line, followed by the 88 and 109, to give it a go. It took several tries but Tom finally burst through the 40 feet of snow drift. The 88 made it half way through and was bungeed out by the 101. Dave Lowe in the 109 then drove through making it look easy. The rest followed. After driving a short distance, we came to another huge drift stretching down the trail. After several attempts, it was obvious it would take until spring to get the 101 through this one, so it was time to winch. The winch on the 101’s are an awesome bit of kit. Tom’s has over 200 feet of cable and pulls so fast we were through in no time. Everybody was too impressed. From this point on the club guys were only too happy to let the Rovers lead and open up the rest of the trails for them. Hey, why not. They mostly just sat in their trucks nice and warm while we hauled tow straps, bungee ropes and winch cable through the snow. I’m still not sure who got the better of that deal, us or them. Oh well, I’m a big winter fan so I was having a great time. It wasn’t all fun and games though. We had a bit of high drama later in the day. After winching the 101 though a particularly long stretch of deep snow, Tom turned it around to pull a stuck jeep through. Unfortunately an extension cable broke during this exercise causing a shackle to accelerate to light speed, striking the jeeps windscreen frame on the passenger side and inflicting some minor damage. Scary stuff but we were very lucky this time. We spent the rest of the following trails through fields and forests. It was very satisfying to finish sections that the other group had tried and abandoned earlier. The Rovers really did themselves proud. I just hope the strong winds didn't obliterate our tracks overnight and make the going too tough for lesser vehicles the next day during the actul rally. Even with the cold and blowing snow it was a super day out, one I really needed. Gee, it’s to bad winter is just about over though, I could handle a couple more days like that. Rover and out Brett ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:42:57 -0300 From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian) Subject: Re: Land Rover Names > Several perceptive persons have pointed out that names are a very >personal [ truncated by list-digester (was 24 lines)] >'71 SIIA SW (unchristened) >Fullerton, CA USA >Hudson29@aol.com OK, how about Too Loose LaTruck Steve Paustian Flatland Rover Society D90 SW Keep the oily side down ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:57:29 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Movie sighting (wrong Series)
Hello the List,
We watched "White Squall" with Jeff Bridges and some kid who I
swear must be Tom Cruises' little brother (I forget his name). Great
movie. I highly recommend it. In one shot of a village street on some
Island where the boat had docked, there was a Series III in the background.
Problem is, the time period was supposed to be 1960-61. Oops...
Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keep the oily side down
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]Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:13:06 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph Uncle Roger makes a point: I agree, though, if I >were to buy an ordinary car, why not a Land Rover? >--------------------------------------------------------------------- O- That's the problem,though Roger,isnt it?Land Rover doesnt make ordinary cars.That's not what its about.There are plenty of run of the mill manufacturers making stereos on wheels.IMO Land Rovers great strength is that it is the only firm building *only* off-roaders.And that's where its reputation lies,by which,in a large degree it is hamstrung.Produce *one* model that isnt in line with,or falls short of,that reputation,and the whole house of cards collapses.The Freeloader has no low range box,no chassis, (is the bodyshell all steel?)poor breakover angle by the looks of it independant suspension,if all one hears is correct,and therefore,one assumes,poor off-road performance.And all that tacky plastic!Granted, my assumptions may be wrong,I hope they are,but it doesnt look good to me. I've got this theory that Land Rover,having been born to prop up Rover cars,and having done just that for forty odd years,with little or no investment capital and still a runaway success should have stayed that way.You only have to look at the silly ideas that stayed on the shelf for lack of funds to realise that sheer practicality dictating the product(ugh! horrible term) was a key to success. Now they've got all that money to play with,I'm afraid they are fantasising.The Land Rover image,is,I think rooted in the Series One. The "alternative line"( poorly put,I know but I cant think of an alternative term) is rooted in the Range Rover.Fine,they have all been superlative off-roaders,good towing machines,and all-round good tools.But this thing doesnt look to be worthy of its background, as well as being aimed at a notoriously fickle slice of the market. I blame BMW.Well,you do,dont you?:-) Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden) Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 10:24:32 GMT > Uncle Roger makes a point: > I agree, though, if I [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)] > off-roaders.And that's where its reputation lies,by which,in a > large degree it is hamstrung.Produce *one* model that isnt in <etc deleted for brevity, although I'm sure most of the LROi/LRW editorship and readship agree...> > alternative term) is rooted in the Range Rover.Fine,they have all > been superlative off-roaders,good towing machines,and all-round > good tools.But this thing doesnt look to be worthy of its background, > as well as being aimed at a notoriously fickle slice of the market. > I blame BMW.Well,you do,dont you?:-) It has been said (by BMW I think) that BMW bought Rover *for* Land Rover. They weren't bothered in "another car company" even though it was picking itself up the days of British Leyland. Perhaps the problem is that the Freeloader should have had a BMW badge. Then it wouldn't technically be a Land Rover, and there'd be no fuss (until the Defender replacement appears...) Richard ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:25:59 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph >(until the Defender replacement appears...) >Richard Ouch! Now that is *really* scary.Can you imagine(if rumours are correct) the Army buying a 4x4 with glassfibre panels?Or farmers? Or aid organisations? Or *anybody*? One newspaper made the comment,years ago,about British Leyland,that it appeared to exist solely for the purpose of giving job satisfaction to graduate engineers,rather than to build vehicles the public wished to buy.One does hope that Land Rover doesnt go the same way. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 970321 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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