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1 lroshop@idirect.com 18Re: Used Discos
2 Lorri Paustian [lorri@so18Re: Land Rover Names
3 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies26Re: Land Rover Names
4 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea12Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
5 bmc@syspac.com 14Re: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
6 Richard Lucking [lucking27RE: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
7 Nick Fankhauser [nickf@c47Re: Switch Wiring
8 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns19Re: Land Rover Names
9 twakeman@scruznet.com (T25Re: Front wheel drive land rover
10 Nick Fankhauser [nickf@c20Slick 50 and other teflon goop.
11 suprisdn@southeast.net 32Land Rover Swap-Meet & Rally
12 Mike Gaines [106220.123415CKD 50% 110s
13 Michel Bertrand [mbertra22movie sighting
14 William Caloccia [calocc28[not specified]
15 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu24Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph
16 William Caloccia [calocc46[not specified]
17 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr15Re: Nortons
18 bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bo28oil filters
19 "Richard P. Biby" [rich@19New Rovers?
20 Dulciana@aol.com 11naming the beast
21 "Faure, Marin" [Marin.Fa29re: Filters and adapters
22 finchm@sky3.bskyb.com 1650% off defenders
23 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu26Re: New Rovers?
24 Jeff Gauvin [jeffg@miner31Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph
25 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us19CB40...the downward spiral...
26 Tim Burt [Tim@stagesuppl40[not specified]
27 Tim Burt [Tim@stagesuppl11[not specified]
28 Jeremy Bartlett [bartlet17Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph
29 Benjamin Allan Smith (Pe19[not specified]
30 Land_Rovers@learnlink.em9Re: CKD Defenders
31 Land_Rovers@learnlink.em30Re: Land Rover Names
32 Shaun Oriold [Soriold@wo8[Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
33 David Cockey [dcockey@ti12SII Bearings??? (was Re: Oil Filters)
34 NADdMD@aol.com 12Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph
35 Allan Smith [smitha@cand25Re: 50% off defenders
36 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns20Re: oil filters
37 "Con P. Seitl" [seitl@ns20Re: SII Bearings??? Part Numbers?
38 twakeman@scruznet.com (T16Re: oil filters
39 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: oil filters
40 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr14Re: oil filters
41 Benjamin Allan Smith (Pe28[not specified]
42 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr31Re: oil filters
43 BarrieWyLR@aol.com 9Re: SII Bearings??? (was Re: Oil Filters)
44 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu42Re: CB40...the downward spiral...
45 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec22Landie or Landy
46 "C. Marin Faure" [faurec31Re: Pinto Carbs
47 "Geoffrey Said" [Geoffre10RE:CB40...the downward spiral...
48 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim24[not specified]
49 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M14Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph
50 ukequim@ukccmail.snads.p5[not specified]
51 "T. Stevenson" [gbfv08@u19Re: Land Rover Names
52 "Ian Stuart" [ian.stuart24Re: Land Rover Names


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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:12:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Used Discos

 
> information about >particular problems and features of each model year of
> U.S. version Discoveries (ie '94, >'95, '96). Also what are the major
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>  get.  I ended up with a '95 and I think the only
> difference between that and a '96 is manual and power seats? 

96 Discos have the 4.0 engine replacing the 3.9 of earlier models.  
That is a significant difference and worthy of the extra money if you 
can find a 96.  Everything about the new engine is great, smoothere 
and better get up and go when you need it.
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:18:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

At 11:08 AM 3/18/97 -0800, you wrote:

>Take your Rover out for a good run in the 
>woods, stop and have a cup of tea and smoke. If it doesn't start when you 
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>1973 III 88 "Pig"
>1962 II  88 "Millie"

But would they be names you could repeat?  :-)
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 12:34:00 PST

Sure you can repeat them, the next time it doesn't start you'll call it all 
the same names:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT 'DOGO' (I keep asking "where does all the 
dough(money) go?")
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At 11:08 AM 3/18/97 -0800, you wrote:

>Take your Rover out for a good run in the
>woods, stop and have a cup of tea and smoke. If it doesn't start when you
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>1973 III 88 "Pig"
>1962 II  88 "Millie"

But would they be names you could repeat?  :-)
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:46:00 -0500

Some months ago I offered to list members a PDF file of articles about
oils and additives. If anyone would like a copy who missed it last time
Email me directly and I'll post you the file (160K). After you read all
about them you may be tempted to take up walking.
Trevor
trevor_easton@dofasco.ca (don't forget the underscore)

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From: bmc@syspac.com
Subject: Re: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:58:53 -0700

If you would send the file to me direct at    bmc@syspac.com 

Regards,   Jon
>Some months ago I offered to list members a PDF file of articles about
>oils and additives. If anyone would like a copy who missed it last time
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>Trevor
>trevor_easton@dofasco.ca (don't forget the underscore)

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From: Richard Lucking <lucking@3s.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:21:31 -0000
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Sounds interesting, Could you send me a copy please...... 
but am I not sure I want to know!!!!

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From: 	Easton Trevor[SMTP:Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca]
Sent: 	19 March 1997 13:04
Subject: 	Oils, Additives and Miracle Compounds

Some months ago I offered to list members a PDF file of articles about
oils and additives. If anyone would like a copy who missed it last time
Email me directly and I'll post you the file (160K). After you read all
about them you may be tempted to take up walking.
Trevor
trevor_easton@dofasco.ca (don't forget the underscore)

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:13:49 -0500
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: Re: Switch Wiring

>Can anyone out there provide me with some information about which wire goes
>to which terminal on the various different switches on a `69 swb?  The
>particular switches that I have in mind are the hazard, headlight, and panel
>light switches.  Thanks for any help.

According to my workshop manual, which was printed in March '69, for "4
cylinder 'regular', 'long',and station wagon, petrol models,negative earth,
with headlamps mounted in front wings" The wire colors going to those
switches are as follows:

Hazard: 

It doesn't show 4-way flashers on my wiring diagram. Might be that my manual
only covers the plain vanilla british model. Maybe if we get the rest, you
can use the proces of elimination to find these.

Headlight: 

A brown/blue wire goes from your ignition switch to terminal 4 of the light
switch. A blue wire carries the power from terminal 8 on your light switch
to the high/low beam switch, and from the hi/lo switch blue/red goes to low
beams, and blue/white goes to high beams.

Panel:

Out of the same light switch noted above, on terminal 1, two red/black wires
are attached. One goes directly to your tail lamps. The other goes to the
panel lamp switch, and on the other side comes out as two red wires to your
panel lamps.

The only remaining wire coming out of that light switch is a red wire
attached to terminal 7 which goes to the side lamps.

my diagram shows 4 unused terminals on the light switch, which probably go
to other options not installed on the basic version.

The colors seem to be roughly the same on diagrams for other models.
-NickF

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Nick Fankhauser        |  Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us   |        http://co.wayne.in.us/wayneco

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:44:34 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

Lorri Paustian wrote:
> At 11:08 AM 3/18/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >Take your Rover out for a good run in the
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> Lenexa, Kansas
> '95 Coniston Green D90 SW
> '95 Arles Blue D90 SW

You would have to come up with acronyms(?) for your new found names, such 
as FOB (you figure it out). 

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:47:05 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Front wheel drive land rover

At  8:53 AM 3/19/97 -0800, James Breach wrote:
>I have just converted my SIII land rover to front wheel drive.
>It happened comming to work this morning.
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>Any Ideas?  Is it going to be expensive?
>James

Well it depends.  You need to purchase two new axles (throw the other
unbroken rear axle away), gaskets for the diff, rear hub flanges, and two
felt seals for the ends of the axles.  When you pull the diff to clean out
all the parts & metal flakes you inspect the rear diff.  If you are lucky,
chips of the axle didn't get between the gears and break your ring and
pinion.  If not it gets expensive.  I am almost never lucky with ring &
pinions.

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109,  1961 Triumph TR3A

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:40:53 -0500
From: Nick Fankhauser <nickf@co.wayne.in.us>
Subject: Slick 50 and other teflon goop.

I'll try not to slip too far over into opinions here, but the facts are
interesting to me- The reason I don't use the various teflon engine
additives any more is that I tend to acquire vehicles which need engine
rebuilds soon after they come to me. The teflon stuff really does seem to
work as claimed, but when I took pieces from a treated engine down the
machine shop, the lathe operators complained loudly about the coating- it
made their job a lot tougher. Since I expect to be inside that rover engine
someday, I'll just make sure my standard lubricants are well maintained. I
think the decision depends on your future plans & priorities, and it may be
an appropriate choice, but I'm guessing not for most series rover owners.
-NickF

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Nick Fankhauser        |  Wayne County Information Systems Department
NickF@co.wayne.in.us   |        http://co.wayne.in.us/wayneco

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From: suprisdn@southeast.net
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:12:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover Swap-Meet & Rally

Hello everyone. It's been a while since I was last on the list (new job and
all), but I'm glad to be back.

This post is to inform everyone that we will be holding once again the 2nd
annual Suwannee River Valley Land Rover Swap-Meet Rally in the Osceola
National Forest in Lake City, Fl the weekend of April 26-27. Lake City is
located in North Central Florida between Jacksonville and Tallahassee at
the intersection of I-75 & I-10. This is an informal Rover gathering. We
will be camping at West Tower once again. This sight is designated a
primitive camping sight by the Forest Service, although it has a restroom,
so you will have to bring what you need to camp out. Lodging can also be
obtained in Lake City. We will also be providing a large portable grill for
individual cooking.

If you are interested in attending please call Jim Karantinos at
904-280-2156 or e-mail me your address so that I can send you a map and
info.

Looking forward to hearing form you and pass the word along,

Jim Karantinos
Jacksonville, FL
1960 SII SW

SuperStock Inc.
7660 Centurion Parkway

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:27:26 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: CKD 50% 110s

Hi All,
           I can't remember which magazine Simon saw the story in, but
before y'all get yer knickers twisted, note  that  it was the April
edition.
Cheers
Mike Gaines, Slll Lt/wt,`Wicked Wanda'
PS Given a 5-degree sloped ribbed concrete driveway, how many square yards
does 4lt of 15w/50 cover?
Ans: Approx 5-- if  you forget to check seating of the  new seal ring in
the oil filter. I hereby claim the Dumbf***  of the Week Award.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:57:44 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: movie sighting

Hello all, 

Rented "Jake Speed" yesterday. Bad movie. Very bad movie. No plot. No
budget. A few Series trucks, though, including a Ser II 88 driven by the
good guys and a cool Ser II 109 SW driven by the bad guys. Has an internal
roll cage, very clean. 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Subject: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph 
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:33:07 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Steve sent this yesterday, the URL for the photo is as follows:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000132256854032&rtmo=332ff75f&atmo=332ff75f&pg=/et/97/3/18/nrov18.jpeg

(that actually has my access code buried in it, so don't everyone go their
at once - if you have your own account search for "CB40 Land Rover" for
This and other references....

>   From: Steve Reddock <Steve@lightweight.demon.co.uk>
>   Subject: CB40 announced finally!!
    
    >From the ET today...
    
    ROVER has released details of a new four-wheel drive vehicle, to be
    called the
                                    Freelander.
    
    It will be sold alongside the Land Rover range of Defender, Discovery
    and Range Rover models, and is said to combine the driveability of a
    saloon car or hatchback with the advantages of four-wheel drive. The
    Freelander will make its public debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in
    September, and will go on sale early in 1998. Prices will range from
    less than 15,000 to around 20,000.
    
    Steve

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:58:03 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph

William Caloccia wrote:
> Steve sent this yesterday, the URL for the photo is as follows:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000132256854032&rtmo=332ff75f&atmo=332ff75f&pg=/et/97/3/18/nrov18.jpeg
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>     less than 15,000 to around 20,000.
>     Steve

Hi Guys,

I've put a copy of the image file on the "Landy News" page of my Landy
site http://196.7.64.10/landy
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
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Subject: Advice on raising gear ratio for 109" w/ Nissan motor & box ?
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:47:31 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi Esa,
	I personally don't have expeirience with these mods, I've taken
the liberty to distribute your message to a wider audience of LRO's a 
number of whom may have experience in such matters.

	Cheers,
	-Bill

This is forwarded by, me, please respond DIRECTLY to or CC: 

	 nikkola@NCSMSG07HE.ntc.nokia.com

>From: nikkola@NCSMSG07HE.ntc.nokia.com (Nikkola Esa NTC/MSG-He)
Message-ID: <1997Mar19.114945.1604.1208474@ntcit-mmta7.ntc.nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:56:01 +0200

Hello Bill,

I hope I do not disturb you with this message but I have an interesting   
plan and I am trying to find somebody who has practical experience. I   
want raise the overall gear ratio of my 109" which is equipped with   
NISSAN 5-speed truck transmission (By Mark's 4WD Adaptors, Melbourne,   
Australia ) and Nissan SD25 -diesel.

I have considered the possibilities and the most smart solution appears   
to be changing of transfer case ratio. There exists a firm 'Automatic   
Conversions Ltd' in Great Britain. The firm announces 31.8 %   
rising-in-ratio transfer case.
Percentage sounds almost-too-great.

I would like to ask do you know anybody who has practical experience of   
that kind of modified transfer case ??

Thanks in Advance and Best Regards from Helsinki, Finland.

Esa Nikkola
109" 1977
 88" 1964 (made in the same year than me :-) )

PS You have a nice WWW-site !

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:37:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Nortons

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, myk wrote:

> >Nortons take even longer to finish than Land Rovers...first it's those
> >damn Amals, then a new Boyer, then the shiny new carbs make the old case

> Ahhhh!  Shipfitters disease at its finest.  Quick call a doctor.

	Oi!...  Shipfitters is one thing, tuning all those carbs...
	(seen four on a 8 port, crossflow Mini head...  Ouch... Still
	waiting for Wade here to put that 45DCOE weber on his 2.25l...)

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: oil filters
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:37:24 -0800

Hi all,
The discussion about the oil filter adapter needs a little more attention!

The Fram PH8A does have a check valve so the oil doesn't drain back.
If anyone has doubts, ask Uncle Roger.
Roger and another northern Californian both had the misfortune to install
the oil filter adapter backwards.
Both were series 2 not 2A.
Both engines are now toast due to the fact that oil can't get through in the
wrong direction.
The other guy had a reason. He thought it would look neater with the oil
pressure sending unit to the rear.
Kinda makes sense.
Also with the thing backwards, the oil pressure gauge has pressure but
that's as far as it gets.
Rogers ran a bit before going bad.Maybe he had a filter without the check
valve, and when he got his oil changed, they put on PH8A or equivalant with
the check valve. That burned out his bearings.
Worst thing is the S2 bearings are unobtainable.

Regards,
Bob Bernard

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From: "Richard P. Biby" <rich@comm-data.com>
Subject: New Rovers? 
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:51:43 -0500 (EST)

A friend in the office showed me a note from the rec.4x4
talking about new "smaller" Rovers for '98. Any rumor
of this? A new small Disco & a small (affordable) Defender?
Any info? Should I NOT buy the RAV-4?

Thanks,
Rich

70 Series
95 Disco
-- 
Richard P. Biby, P.E.   KD4DSX   703/558.0505  Fax 703/558.0523
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From: Dulciana@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:09:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: naming the beast

Hi !
All my landrovers seem to end up with the same name -  'Sodding Thing'
Common useage is :-  " Oh b- - - - - r this, I'm getting rid of the 'sodding
thing'.
Best wishes, Chris Baker.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.boeing.com>
Subject: re: Filters and adapters
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:26:54 -0800

>From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
>Subject: Filters and adapters
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>>anti-return valve of the HP-1 is critical as the original cartridge
>>filter certainly didn't have one."

>If changing to a filter adapter you should use a cartridge with a check
>valve. The original filter housing incorporates a check valve as part of
>the housing. If you use a non check valve arrangement the oil pump has
>to fill the filter and galleries before any oil is delivered to the
>bearings.

The check valve must be in the filter mount that's bolted to the block
then, as the original filter housing is nothing more than an open-top
can with a bolt-hole in the bottom.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@pss.boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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From: finchm@sky3.bskyb.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:10:20 +0000
Subject: 50% off defenders

This is an april fool everybody!!!

As I phoned up Land Rovers Parts (Kingston upon Thames)

And they said that Lode Lane are sick of people phoning up!!

Yours mark

Dutch UN diesel lightweight
SIIA SAS Pink Panther

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:21:09 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: New Rovers?

Richard P. Biby wrote:
> A friend in the office showed me a note from the rec.4x4
> talking about new "smaller" Rovers for '98. Any rumor
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Probably, take a look at Bill Caloccia ofr my previous postings for a
picture of the pretty little thing.

(goto "Landy News" at http://196.7.64.10/landy and scroll to the bottom
of the page)
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.co.symbios.com>
Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph 
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:47:00 MST

:     >From the ET today...
:     
:     ROVER has released details of a new four-wheel drive vehicle, to be
:     called the
:                                     Freelander.
:     
:     It will be sold alongside the Land Rover range of Defender, Discovery
:     and Range Rover models, and is said to combine the driveability of a
:     saloon car or hatchback with the advantages of four-wheel drive. The
:     Freelander will make its public debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in
:     September, and will go on sale early in 1998. Prices will range from
:     less than 15,000 to around 20,000.
:     
:     Steve

Hmmm...kind of "cute" -- better than the RAV4 anyway. Definite
"family resemblance" to the Range Rover. It'll never replace
my D90, but if/when it hits The States it has the potential to
displace the wife's Subaru...

[Don't tell her I said that!]

--
Jeff Gauvin
'94 D90

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:23:19 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: CB40...the downward spiral...

How long do you think that plastic front end is going to last?
I can just imagine the activity on the coiler list..." Looking for CB40 
bumper...", " Bull bar for CB40?..."," Freeloader lower grille 
bashup...", " Outrun by a RAV4...Help!", "PTO for a Freeloader?", "where 
do you mount a winch on these things?","High Lift jack stowage on a 
CB40...", "Engine trouble codes...ex U-boat semaphores?", " Installation 
tips for underbody neon lights needed"

Just what we need...another pocket 4x4. Cuteness sells !

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:38:50 +0000
From: Tim Burt <Tim@stagesupplies.demon.co.uk>

Original Message...

Isn't there also a new kind of bulb being fitted to some new cars. Halide
or something? I think some BMWs have them. They could explain why some
new
cars have a "Blue" tint to their headlights. I remember seeing something
about it on Top Gear.

EOM

Don't get confused !   There are actually two different sorts of
headlights being fitted to BMW, Mercedes, etc.

The first is a standard halogen lamp with a special dichroic reflector
and lens.  In English, this means that on-axis of the headlamp, you get
normal halogen lighting.  However, off-axis you get a different colour,
normally a blueish light.  The idea behind this is to reduce dazzle of
oncoming drivers by not shining the full intensity of the headlamp at
them.  The driver of the vehicle doesn't really notice the blueness as
it is concentrated around the periphery of his/her field of vision.
This type is most prbably what you will have seen in the UK.

The second type is, as suggested, a Halide lamp.  This type of lamp does
not have a filament, simply a capsule of gas which glows very brightly,
much in the way a fluorescent tube works.  (Sort of)  The light which
comes from this type of source will appear blueish compared to standard
headlamps, and is actually closer to the colour of daylight.  This
design is supposed to be safer as the eye responds more naturally to
daylight, and hence objects appear to be more evenly and accurately
illuminated.  This type of headlamp is more common in mainland Europe.

I hope this techno-babble will clear up a bit of the confusion.  If not,
sorry.

--Tim Burt  -  S3 88" - XUO 968K
http://www.stagesupplies.demon.co.uk - Land Rover Pages

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:42:34 +0000
From: Tim Burt <Tim@stagesupplies.demon.co.uk>

If anyone wants the dimensions of the Land Rover SWB hoodsticks, mail me
direct and I will mail you a drawing.  Please include the format you
would prefer.

Tim@stagesupplies.demon.co.uk
--Tim Burt
http://www.stagesupplies.demon.co.uk 

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:28:43 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph 

Jeff Gauvin wrote:
> :     >From the ET today...
> :
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> :                                     Freelander.
> :

Darn,  and I was sure they were going to call it the "Thingy".  :)

cheers,

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Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph 
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:29:25 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

In message <199703192139.LAA23114@unix.off-road.com>you write:
> Jeff Gauvin wrote:
> > :     >From the ET today...
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> > :
> Darn,  and I was sure they were going to call it the "Thingy".  :)

	That's a _good_ idea Jeremy.  The LR Thing.   Much better than the
LR Freeloader (well wait a minnit--this new LR is freeloading on the LR
reputation).  Me thinks they chose a bad name.

Ben
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Benjamin Smith                                Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom Systems Administration---> EDS/Philips          1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:34:58 -0500
Subject: Re: CKD Defenders

we want to know MORE! this might be a legitimate way to get our hands
on a Tdi 110; please post any more details on this program to the list
or e-mail me direct a jackwalter@worldnet.att.net

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:15:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

Land Rovers seem to name themselves or display some personality quirk
that triggers some memory that you can associate with, like a character
that made some indefinite impression on your personal psyche - A word
of caution; sometimes, like dogs, they try to live up to the perception
that a particular name might indicate - witness the Antichrist in the
Gods must be Crazy. In our area sometimes other club members name your
Land Rover for you - a GOOD reason to come up with your idea first.
Some of the rovers in our Southern Land Rover Society have been named
"Squeaky" (maybe the polybushes will cure this), "Crumples" (brought on
by the combination of a trail ride, a non-functioning parking brake, a
broken starter, a slight slope, and an unwilling target of opportunity
in the form of another Land Rover parked about 15 feet away) and "Snow
White" (oh no I'm not taking this one off road - that's what I'm
building the trail truck for)

My diesel wagon "Eeyore" adopted this name because it seemed to fit so
well, he just doesn't seem to get in much of a hurry for anything - and
when you also have a yellow 88 (and an inordinate addiction to aa
milne) it just seems fitting that "Pooh" is a logical choice for the
other Land Rover - Still haven't come up with a good moniker for the
Range Rover although I am leaning towards something from another of my
favorite authors - Edgar Rice Burroughs 

jack walter

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:06:40 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: SII Bearings??? (was Re: Oil Filters)

> Worst thing is the S2 bearings are unobtainable.

Any ideas of what would be required to have a small run of SII bearings
made?

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:59:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph 

In a message dated 97-03-19 17:30:33 EST, you write:

<< The LR Thing >>

This would imply that LR and VW have corporately joined, not BMW
Nate

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:10:37 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: 50% off defenders

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, finchm@sky3.bskyb.com wrote:

>As I phoned up Land Rovers Parts (Kingston upon Thames)
>And they said that Lode Lane are sick of people phoning up!!

... rather than seeing the results of a consumer survey dropped in their 
lap. 

 And in the next slide, combining the best of the comments, we see the cute 
freeloading thingy - the CFT. 

Comparisons with LR products in the past have at least included some 
vehicles that were built in the spartan tradition of the square LRs, and 
which have been worked hard and proved their worth over a few years. No 
need to name them. Now we are reading mail where LR and this RAV shopping 
toy are used in the same sentence. That is really sad. 

AS

 

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:50:53 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: oil filters

Bob and Sue Bernard wrote:
> Hi all,
> The discussion about the oil filter adapter needs a little more attention!
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> Regards,
> Bob Bernard

Of which variety were these adapters and the supplier? Seems there should 
have been SPECIFIC instructions to installation! For someone who hasn't 
installed one of these before should have been warned of the 
possibilities. I would think the supplier has a few amends to make.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:55:25 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: SII Bearings???  Part Numbers?

David Cockey wrote:
> > Worst thing is the S2 bearings are unobtainable.
> Any ideas of what would be required to have a small run of SII bearings
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Regards,
> David Cockey

If anyone has a part # for Series II, post them or mail me direct. I have 
a box full of bearings from some old stock I bought and they don't match 
up with what I'm using. I know some are from Rover TC models, but the 
rest are unknown to me.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:13:56 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: oil filters

With this long thread of aftermarket spin on oil filter adaptors, I'm
suprised no one mentioned using factory parts.

Why not just get a factory stock spin on oil filter adapter from a 2.5L
engine and fit it on the 2-1/4 in place of the old one?

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109,  1961 Triumph TR3A

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:21:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: oil filters

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Why not just get a factory stock spin on oil filter adapter from a 2.5L
> engine and fit it on the 2-1/4 in place of the old one?

	Price...   used may be cheapi

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:23:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: oil filters

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> With this long thread of aftermarket spin on oil filter adaptors, I'm
> suprised no one mentioned using factory parts.
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> twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks
> Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109,  1961 Triumph TR3A
I love you!
> With this long thread of aftermarket spin on oil filter adaptors, I'm

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Subject: Re: oil filters
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:45:44 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith (Pencom) <Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com>

"Dixon Kenner" wrote:

> > On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> > twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks
> > Medium & large format photography, 1960 Land Rover 109,  1961 Triumph TR3A

> I love you!

Attention LRO's,

	This is an example of why not to get pissed leave your email account 
unlocked.  Dixon is pissed (as are the people at his house), but unfortunately, 
he left himself logged in before passing out. The remainder of the crowd are 
sending out lots of interesting email on his behalf.   (The mail that they 
sent directly to me was barely coherant).  Keep this in mind if more mail 
comes out.  I'm sure that Dixon will take out his revenge on the parties 
involved.   If they are luckly, he'll replace their LRs with the new Land
Rover Freeloader. 

Ben, who is 3 time zones away from the drunks and has an inbox filled with
     amuzing, semi-coherant, drunking rantings.
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Benjamin Allan Smith                          Benjamin.Smith@sv.sc.philips.com
Pencom System Administration ----> EDS                 1972 Land Rover SIII 88

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:54:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: oil filters

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:

> 	This is an example of why not to get pissed leave your email account 
> unlocked.  Dixon is pissed (as are the people at his house), but unfortunately, 

	I like a Elizabethian thatched roof pick-up cab....  My name is
	nameless, but I am here...

> he left himself logged in before passing out. The remainder of the crowd are 

	I like galivinization.... Evrrything is galvinisationed... I have
	lts of land rovers... who am i?  :-)

> sending out lots of interesting email on his behalf.   (The mail that they 
> sent directly to me was barely coherant).  Keep this in mind if more mail 
> comes out.  I'm sure that Dixon will take out his revenge on the parties 
> involved. 

	Dison is making a list fast-like...  please turn in the rest at
Carlisle...   

> Ben, who is 3 time zones away from the drunks and has an inbox filled with
>      amuzing, semi-coherant, drunking rantings.

	which speaks volumers,,,,   Dixon is as fine gentleman as i will
know , Not! pissant  he is talking about pinmk flimingoos uugh

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:55:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: SII Bearings??? (was Re: Oil Filters)

Bill Davis at Great Basin Rovers had the shaft welded & then reworked to
original specs.  He found some stock bearings. Youcan call him at
801-486-5049.

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:12:59 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: CB40...the downward spiral...

The Star of Johannesburg's Motoring section has a large version of the
photo of the "Freeloader" (same photo Bill linked to and which is now on
my "Landy News" page.

The text of their blurb reads...

"The wraps have finally come off Land Rover's (sic) much-awaited new
lifestyle vehicle, with Land Rover (sic) UK this week revealing the
model's first photographs as well as the name of its new offroader.

Until recently codenamed project CB40, the modern, full-time
4-wheel-drive vehicle has been dubbed the Freelander.

To be made available in both 3- and 5-door versions, it is targeted at a
completely new range of customers for Land Rover (sic), and will compete
for sales with the likes of Toyota's Rav-4 and the Suzuki Vitara. Land
Rover (sic) UK says the Freelander will appeal to young-at-heart
individuals and couples who lead active lives.

It is known that petrol and diesel models will be available, but full
details of the model range will only be made available when the
Freelander is launched at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September. Sales
should start in early 1998, and there's a good chance the vehicles will
also make their way to South Africa."

...ends

On the last point, lets hope they don't attempt to make their way to SA
overland or they may not make it at all!

Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
http://africanadrenalin.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:58:58 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Landie or Landy

>Subject: Landie or Landy
>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 16:18:59 -0000
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>agents and have difficulty in determining the correct spelling - Landie
>or Landy?!

Personally, I hate cute names like "Landy," "Beemer," "Disco," "Rangie,"
"Toy," etc.  As far as I'm concerned, they're "Land Rovers,"
Discoveries," and "Range Rovers."  But to answer your question, since
it's a silly made-up name anyway, you can spell it however you want.  I
don't think The Rover Group has an official position...

_________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:00:05 -0800
From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Pinto Carbs

>From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 08:01:02 -0500
>Subject: Re: Pinto Carbs

>Marin Faure wrote:
>>I had a Rochester on my 1973 Series III for about three years before
>>changing back to the Zenith.....I did not
>>change the air cleaner; the Rochester was connected to the stock oil-bath
>>filter using the same ribbed hose and elbow that had fed the Zenith.

>I think the one you've used is a different one than this - must have been
>the 50s Chevrolet one. This carb was off a mid-70s Chevrolet Vega, and as
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>is the one for oil-bath air cleaners, and is also the one that needs to be
>re-jetted.

You're right, the older Rochester is the one I had on my Series III for
a few years.  I think I would prefer keeping the oil bath air cleaner
than going to a paper air cleaner, but I guess a lot of that depends on
how you use the vehicle and where you live.

_________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:04:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: RE:CB40...the downward spiral...

What is all this pessimisim????

Let us wait till is shows what is all about before judging.

Geoffrey

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Subject: CKD article ba****d
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 09:19:31 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

further to the article I posted to the list . . .

seems I was suckerred! and I don't find it funny!

This piece may well be an April Fool Joke - the last four digits of the 
phone number given were 1496 which in British style relates to 1st April 
'96 - why '96 I don't know -  perhaps the eejit writing the article was 
dense enough not to know the year we are currently in?!

When you get a magazine delivered in the second week of March you do not 
expect to be looking for 'Joke' articles.

I too was extremely interested in the scheme and it just sounded like the 
kind of thing Landrover would do although it raised more questions in my 
mind - like taxing and registering the thing along with warranties etc.

I am sorry if I suckerred you in unwittingly I unreservedly apologise for 
that

Simon Ward-Hastelow

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:45:44 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: CB40 Finally Announced: URL's for Eletronic Telegraph

>I've put a copy of the image file on the "Landy News" page of my Landy
>site http://196.7.64.10/landy
What an abortion!The SWB looks like a Ford Sierra with the middle cut
out and the hatchback left off.The LWB has a Subaru roof,Vitara sides
and a nondescript nose."Freeloader" is very apt,IMO,or perhaps "The
Plastic Pig"?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Subject: unsubscribe
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:09:45 GMT
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

>Paul O'Neil needs a name for his Rover. A friend's Land Rover was named
>"Donk", which has remained my favorite. The name was not taken by the new
>owner, so it's still available. If you recall the scene from Crocodile

My wife named both our Land Rovers

SIII 109 - Ermintrude (drives like a cow)
90 DT - Sonja (Red, with traces of silicone)

________________________________________________________________________
Thomas D.I. Stevenson			gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Project			Tel: 01475 530581
University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:10:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

On 20 Mar 97, T. Stevenson wrote:

> SIII 109 - Ermintrude (drives like a cow)
> 90 DT - Sonja (Red, with traces of silicone)
Someone used to maintain a list of all the names, somewhere...

My old SIII 88 was called Obidia - for some unknown reason.
My current SIII 109 is called LuCaS (Reg: LCS 210 W.  He also has 
lots of parts with his name on. He is sometimes refered to as the 
Prince of Darkness, though whether that is in jest or not has still 
to be determined)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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