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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Prelubing-Re: Filters and adaptors
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:09:00 -0500

 "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:23:34 -500
Subject: Re: Filters and adaptors

Easton, (That's Trevor actually , mailer puts surname first )

I like your method of prelubing the engine, but are you not still
scuffing just as well (or bad)?
Yes, it's still potentially scuffing but doesn't have to withstand the
load's of the power stroke.

How many turns do you normally need
to achieve sufficient oil pressure?
Usually it takes about 3 seconds for the gauge (mechanical) to twitch
which tells me theres oil in the galleries and bearings

 And how have you wired things to
not initially energize ignition?
Series IIA with a separate starter button on the bulkhead. The key only
turns ignition on and off. Which also answers the questions about post
washed Landies getting short circuited by misguided wash jockeys who try
to start with the key.

Regards
TREVOR

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:11:09 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: bonnet mount from misc. postings

On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa) wrote:

 Am still investigating 
>     moving the Def spare to the bonnet, and haven't yet heard of a 
>     "strengthening kit," but would also be interested if there is such a 
>     thing before designing and installing my own strengthening kit on the 
>     new car.  

The bonnet mount system is just a set of about 20 or so parts from LR. Two 
types were developed , designated A and B. The second is more recent and 
more substantial, and is what I have on a '95 ROW-spec 90. However, I don't 
use it any more. When I converted the PU to SW I added a rear mounting (W&H 
Wheel Carriers - really substantial) and greatly improved visibility over 
the bonnet when going over rises off-road, even when one is 6'2". 

People have written that the weight of the wheel is a problem when lifting 
the bonnet - your preference.  Also that the release spring is not up to 
task, and needs a retainer under the release handle while you go to the 
front to raise the thing, but mine has always opened equally easily with or 
without the spare on top, and even easier after removing and greasing the 
cable.
Bottom line for me was visibility.   
Cheers
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Filters and Adaptors
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:26:00 -0500

C.Marin Faure replied "It's my understanding that a chech valve is not
needed ........ If its full of oil you should have pressure on
start-up. ........ Those are my thoughts FWIW. Any others?

I believe that without the check valve, even with a vertical filter,
most of the oil will drain back from the galleries and filter if the
vehicle stands for long (overnight ?). After all they are above the sump
and fluid finds it's own level.

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Starting with key
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 14:01:00 PST

Perhaps I'm just not very bright but I still don't see why trying to start 
with the key leads to a short. Sure it will only energise the coil rather 
than spinning the starter but where is the short? Please enlighten me!

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (No separate starter button, plus no coil)
 ----------

Series IIA with a separate starter button on the bulkhead. The key only
turns ignition on and off. Which also answers the questions about post
washed Landies getting short circuited by misguided wash jockeys who try
to start with the key.

Regards
TREVOR

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:35:06 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Filter Adapter Plates/Oil Pressure

Trevor;
I'm starting to understand this a bit better, but..., if the oil drains 
back from the galleries, wouldn't it stop draining when the oil higher 
than the filter has dumped into the pan, leaving the oil filter full? And 
if so, how much time does it really take to fill the galleries again to 
acheive pressure? If it is only a matter of a few seconds, surely the 
bearings are lubed with enough oil from beforehand that no damage can 
occur before being lubed under pressure. And, is this that critical on a 
Rover ( or any engine for that matter) unless we are running a high 
preformance $50,000 engine down the Indy track? These are just thoughts, 
but I am building a new engine this week ( New pistons, oil pump,chain, 
cam,etc) and will be using an adapter. It would be better to use a filter 
with a anti-return valve I suppose, but what of the older engines?
Rgards, Con....
 
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:42:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Kapstan Winch

Any one has a Kapstan Winch for sale???

Preferebly near Malta. (Due you know were it is????)

Thanks
Geoffrey

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:11:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Kapstan Winch

Any one has a Kapstan Winch for sale???

Preferebly near Malta. (Due you know were it is????)

Thanks
Geoffrey

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 07:13:35 -0800
From: John Ousterhout <jouster@redm.primextech.com>
Subject: trying to Start with key

Scott wonders how the II-A ign switch can be shorted by parking attendants:
simple, they expect it to turn one more "click" to start, and force it to
do so, the contacts move into unnatural positions, and Lord Lucas receives
another burnt offering. The start button on the bulkhead is a form of theft
deterrent: few thieves know where to look or how to make it work. I used to
hang a padlock on the starter button so it could not be pushed in.
JohnO

>Perhaps I'm just not very bright but I still don't see why trying to start 
>with the key leads to a short. Sure it will only energise the coil rather 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 16 lines)]
>to start with the key.
>Regards
>TREVOR

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From: Jim Vinokuroff <jimv@hawk.igs.net>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:38:10 -0500

On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 at 21:50:06 -0500
Brian Cramer asked

>Larry,

>Where are you located?

>Cheers,

>Brian Cramer

Larry Edmonds is located in Sarnia Ontario, Canada (across the river =
from Port Huron, Michigan). His E-mail address is triumph@mail.tct.net.  =
I don't think he is on the list, so you will have to E-mail/phone him =
directly.

Jim Vinokuroff.

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Filter Adapter Plates/Oil Pressure
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 15:46:00 PST

Why not just treat the engine to a dose of Slick50(or similar product) which 
claims to protect engines during the vital few seconds at startup before the 
oil pressure is there?

The oil filter will be left mostly full of oil, I don't believe the oil 
syphons out. Does the valve stop some of the draining from the galleries?

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (oil filter always full of oil when I change 
it)
 ----------
From: Con P. Seitl
Subject: Filter Adapter Plates/Oil Pressure
Date: 17 March 1997 22:35

Trevor;
I'm starting to understand this a bit better, but..., if the oil drains
back from the galleries, wouldn't it stop draining when the oil higher
than the filter has dumped into the pan, leaving the oil filter full? And
if so, how much time does it really take to fill the galleries again to
achieve pressure? If it is only a matter of a few seconds, surely the
bearings are lubed with enough oil from beforehand that no damage can
occur before being lubed under pressure. And, is this that critical on a
Rover ( or any engine for that matter) unless we are running a high
performance $50,000 engine down the Indy track? These are just thoughts,
but I am building a new engine this week ( New pistons, oil pump,chain,
cam,etc) and will be using an adapter. It would be better to use a filter
with a anti-return valve I suppose, but what of the older engines?
Rgards, Con....

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: trying to Start with key
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 16:02:00 PST

Ah, forgot to take into account the BOZO factor.

Fitting an overdrive also works as an added theft deterrent, faced with 4 
gear levers the average low life scum car thief will be too bewildered.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: John Ousterhout
Subject: trying to Start with key
Date: 18 March 1997 07:13

Scott wonders how the II-A ign switch can be shorted by parking attendants:
simple, they expect it to turn one more "click" to start, and force it to
do so, the contacts move into unnatural positions, and Lord Lucas receives
another burnt offering. The start button on the bulkhead is a form of theft
deterrent: few thieves know where to look or how to make it work. I used to
hang a padlock on the starter button so it could not be pushed in.
JohnO

>Perhaps I'm just not very bright but I still don't see why trying to start
>with the key leads to a short. Sure it will only energise the coil rather
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 16 lines)]
>to start with the key.
>Regards
>TREVOR

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:49:04 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Diesel Wiring

> I have received info from a knowledgable source telling me that the starter
> circuit wiring overheating and subsequent electrical problems in my '65
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
> does not offer enough cranking amperage for the diesel and thus the starter
> is pulling so much from the battery that the wires are overheating.
 snip
If I'm not mistaken, you can get 12volt batteriers that would match, 
or better, the original dual sixes. Bad connections (both gorond and 
feed) would cause overheating. Also, in my opinion, OEM battery 
cables are never as big as they should be. User a larger gauge to 
lower resisitence.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:20:25 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: trying to Start with key

At 07:13 97-03-18 -0800, John wrote:

<snip>

I used to
>hang a padlock on the starter button so it could not be pushed in.

>hang a padlock on the starter button so it could not be pushed in.
Wasn't it possible, for a thief, to just unscrew the starter button? 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:35:20 -0800
From: John Ousterhout <jouster@redm.primextech.com>
Subject: Thieves, an IQ test

Besides the starter button and the forest of gear change levers which will
confuse all but the brightest thieves, Rover added another IQ test that my
109 displayed.
The would-be thieves broke out the driver's side door glass, expecting to
unlock the door by reaching inside. Only my sunglasses (on the parcel shelf
next to the door) were stolen. Of course, that's the only door that has
such a theft deterrent, but apparently it is the only one that needs it.
This may be an indication that British thieves are as dumb as those in the
States.
JohnO

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:40:22 -0800
From: John Ousterhout <jouster@redm.primextech.com>
Subject: unscrewing starter buttons

>Wasn't it possible, for a thief, to just unscrew the starter button? 

With no way to hold onto the shaft, it simply spins.

JohnO

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:12:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Thieves, an IQ test

In a message dated 97-03-18 11:40:11 EST, you write:

<< another IQ test  >>

Does that stand for ignition quotient?
Nate

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:39:52 -0800
From: "Tom Gross [ESRI-Redlands]" <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Temp and Pressure

Hello,

I think that someone said that 300 degrees for an oil temp was optimal.  I've
owned VWs for many years.  I've seen Valvoline 20-50w turn into the consistency 
of ethanol at 280 degrees (although not Penzoil 20-50w).  At 280 degrees the 
viscosity is so poor that I've had enough blow-by pressure to lift the valve 
covers on a VW enough for oil to get blown out onto the exhaust.  This happened 
even though there were extra breather lines routed back through a filter and 
then into the carbs.  I must admit that the engine is 2400cc, so there is plenty 
of crankcase pressure already at 5500 rpm.  Experience - and the ever-present 
folklore dictates that an oil temp that gets over 240 degrees is undesirable, 
although I've been able to run an engine for years at 250 to 270.  

I suppose that the oil in a Rover filter could siphon back into the oil pan, and 
cause low (or no) oil pressure for a few moments on starting.  Over many, many 
start ups this might take a toll.  Keep in mind that the all-important thin 
coating of oil in the bearings is still going to be there.  A friend who makes 
his living at building engines told me about a friend of his who had rebuilt 
their VW engine, and called saying that the new engine didn't seem to be running 
right.  My friend told him to bring it down to the shop, which was a couple of 
miles away.  When the fellow got there my friend opened the hood and said that 
the engine sure smelled and felt hot.  He asked the guy what kind of oil he was 
using.  You all have seen that "Oh, my god - I forgot the ... " expression on 
someone's face before.  The engine hadn't siezed yet, although I think that some 
new beaings were in order.  The moral - just don't start her up and let the rpm 
go to 3000 until you get good pressure and the engine is warmed up a little.   

As for Land Rovers and carwashes - no further comment is necessary.

Tom Gross

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:39:42 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Theft proofing...

All you overdrive owners can add this to your repetoir...
If you leave it for any length of time unattended, reach down thru the 
center seat opening an pull the pin connecting the OD and the control 
lever....after you put the OD in neutral.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:51:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: unscrewing starter buttons

In a message dated 97-03-18 12:44:28 EST, you write:

 >Wasn't it possible, for a thief, to just unscrew the starter button? 
 With no way to hold onto the shaft, it simply spins.
  >>

Heck, if they want the car THAT bad, they'd just unbolt one of the hubs in
the rear and front and PUSH it away -- who would look twice at someone
pushing a LR down the road ; )

It's just a joke!

Nate

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From: Hudson29@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:02:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover Names

Thanks to all that offered advice about my shimmy problem. I have saved that
advice, and whenever it is that I finally finish my Norton motorcycle, I will
tackle the Rover.
	Quite frankly however, I'm disappointed with the lack of response to MY
DESPERATE NEED for a name for my Land Rover. One compassionate sole, taking
pity on me, offered a very nice Pythonish suggestion, BOULTON spelled
backwards; NOTLUOB, I thank that person, it's in the pot.
	I have owned my '71 SIIA SW for a quarter of a century, with no name. I
realize this is a serious breech of Land Rover etiqiute, and wish to make
amends now, naked, (well sort of) before the universe. Me Culpa, I admit it!
	Put your best Land Rover thinking into saving this poor sinner and please
post your suggestions to the list, so we can all enjoy them!

Paul O'Neil
'71 SIIA SW (unchristened)
Fullerton, CA USA
Hudson29@aol.com

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:16:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

The problem with requesting a name for a Rover is that the Rover should
name itself.

As an example, my 109 had a Diesel in it when I purchased it. As it was
noisy, smoky, drank too much and was generally annoying but brilliant it
got named Mr. Churchill..... after the British PM of the same temperment.

If it hasn't suggested a name to you (outside of the usual unprintables) it
may well be that no one's home under the bonnet.....

                              ajr

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: Andrew Howton
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:28:59 -0700
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Apologies to list members. Andrew, could you please email me direct. I 
need the specs. for the engine prior to rebuilding it ASAP and have 
lost your email address. Thanks.
Brian Tuffs

'66 88" SW ("Blue")
'84 BJ 60 ("Toyah")

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:40:19 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Nortons

Nortons take even longer to finish than Land Rovers...first it's those 
damn Amals, then a new Boyer, then the shiny new carbs make the old case 
look dingy and then the shiny case makes the frame look rotty and the 
fresh paint on the frame...and wouldn't some original Dunstall pipes look 
good....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:49:42 -0800
From: John Ousterhout <jouster@redm.primextech.com>
Subject: Favorite Land Rover Name

Paul O'Neil needs a name for his Rover. A friend's Land Rover was named
"Donk", which has remained my favorite. The name was not taken by the new
owner, so it's still available. If you recall the scene from Crocodile
Dundee, the bad guy meets the good guy in the middle of nowhere (sitting on
a box of beer):
GG: g'day mate, care for a cold one?
BG: Where's your gun?
GG: I don't need a gun, I've got a Donk.
BG: What's a Donk?
Enter Donk: "DONK" (knocks out BG)

JohnO
'64 109 5-door "Safari-SoGoodi"
"The rot set in when they moved the headlights to the wings"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:04:51 -6
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

You never know where the name will come from. The state of Vermont 
named mine. Sort of. When I first bought it and registered it, the 
tags I received totoaly by chance (I hope) were 6A666.
Any guesses as to what all my friends started calling it? (not "The 
Beast")
Even though I no longer live in VT :-(  they still call it that.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:23:45 -0800
From: John Ousterhout <jouster@redm.primextech.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Temp and Pressure

Apoligies to the list for possibly misleading regarding oil temps. I should
have said oil temperatures UP TO 300 degF show the least wear in a test of
watercooled aircraft engines (V-8s). Generally, motor oils boil above 390F,
but their additives can start breaking down before that (some
intentionally). In the tests on the aircraft engines, temperatures below
240 greatly increased engine wear, with the minimum wear occuring right at
300, and increasing wear above 300, so there's a narrow range that would be
ideal in that specific case. At that temp, most oils will indeed be a fluid
as ethanol, but the amount of thinning due to heat is not directly related
to film strength, which is part of what keeps metal parts from wearing.
Blow-by should not be increasing because of oil thinning, by itself. I'd
think the VW engine mentioned has a mechanical leak (worn rings or
cylinders come to mind), or is so hot that the cylinders have expanded more
than the rings can accommodate (which would be my guess with an aircooled
VW engine). OTOH, I'm no expert on VW's, and could be completely wrong here.
JohnO

>I think that someone said that 300 degrees for an oil temp was optimal.  I've
>owned VWs for many years.  I've seen Valvoline 20-50w turn into the
consistency 
>of ethanol at 280 degrees (although not Penzoil 20-50w).  At 280 degrees the 
(snip)

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:26:13 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Kapstan Winch

Geoffrey Said wrote:
> Any one has a Kapstan Winch for sale???
> Preferebly near Malta. (Due you know were it is????)
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Thanks
> Geoffrey

Geoffrey,
I don't have a Capstan Winch for sale, I think there is one north of
here in Canada but shipping would be prohibitive. I do know where Malta
is and Valetta and "The Gut". The ships I work on get there
occasionally. My family is originally from the island north of you.

Tom Spoto

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:43:14 -0500
Subject: did somebody say Ford v6 conversion??

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Santa Ana, Ca 92706
714-863-5865 FAX

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:55:47 -0500
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: Nortons

Bill wrote:
>Nortons take even longer to finish than Land Rovers...first it's those
>damn Amals, then a new Boyer, then the shiny new carbs make the old case
>look dingy and then the shiny case makes the frame look rotty and the
>fresh paint on the frame...and wouldn't some original Dunstall pipes look
>good....

Ahhhh!  Shipfitters disease at its finest.  Quick call a doctor.

Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester) shudda named it "Street Dancer"
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:54:54 +1100
From: amanda@zeta.org.au (Amanda Carkagis)

G'day all,
Going on leave for 4 weeks, so I am temporarily unsubscribing from the list
for a while until I get back.

Happy Rovering to all.

Regards,
Phil Carkagis
S III 109 5 door oil burner
101 FC

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:04:26 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Ampmeter

Olafur in beautiful Iceland wrote:

>I have SII2a Petrol, it=B4s got one 12v 65 AH battery. I have a question=
 for
>you regarding it. The thingf is that i dont know what the ampmeter should
:read, is supposed to read, max 6-10 A or is it OK if it goes as high as 30
>A?? - Can I ruin the battery?? - It goes that high when the engine is cold!
>- but drops to ca. 5A when hot!!

Totally normal, exactly as it should be. That means something will go wong=

any minute now.
Regards and until 1998
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:06:36 -0700
From: Jeff Swanson <jeffws@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Used Discos

I'm thinking about buying a used discovery. I would appreciate any
information about particular problems and features of each model year of
U.S. version Discoveries (ie '94, '95, '96). Also what are the major
differences between the different model years? 

Thanks,
Jeff Swanson
Mechanical Engineer
Qualcomm, Inc. 
Boulder, CO Office
303-473-6739

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:27:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Cranking

Kieth Cooper writes re cranking amps.

  Your expert is mistaken, there are plenty of 12 volt batteries that have
the power to start a Rover Diesel. Rover themselves fitted them as standard
on series 3's  . It is true that a diesel requires more power to turn  it
over. the battery must be selected to fit the application it must have a
good discharge rate capability  6 or 700 amps.. Not just any 12 volt battery
will suffice. I would suggest that you need a minimum of 90 ampere hours
capacity. The M45 starter draws almost 900 amps when locked up.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:06:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Thieves, an IQ test

Hey, my no-door-locks, no-window-locks, canvas-topped 88 was broken into 
at the Portland airport years ago.  Even though the Rover was completly 
open, these mensic theives cut their way into the truck through the 
canvas top.

Probably the same crew that later stole the Blaupunkt out of my friends 
733 BMW by prying out the sunroof with a crowbar to get into the car.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:52:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: RE: trying to Start with key

At 04:02 PM 3/18/97 PST, you wrote:
>Fitting an overdrive also works as an added theft deterrent, faced with 4 
>gear levers the average low life scum car thief will be too bewildered.

Especially if you put one (or more) of them in Nuetral...

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:56:28 -0500
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Re: Regarding battery charging!!

>If you're reading 6-10 amps running hot, you're doing fine.
snip
>Sounds perfectly normal to me.
>               Alan

Thanx for your comment Alan!!

Im a complete novice at this so dont laugh if this was a stupid question!! -
I know you experts do :-)

Olafur

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Subject: oil pressure
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:59:24 EST

De-lurking to comment about oil filters: GM has been using a vertical
filterposition for years, so as to allow prefilling of the filter. Oil
pressure builds instantly upon startup. Makes sense to do the same with
your rover, if you're going to re-locate the filter anyhow. 
I use Mobil 1.(no affiliation professional or otherwise) 191,000+ miles
on my Probe, no problems. Using a borescope, crosshatch marks still
visible all the way down the cylinder walls. Oil changes every 6000
miles. I'm sold, I'll never use another oil.

Mark

If you love something, set it free. If it doesn't return, hunt it down,
and kill it.

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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 22:09:14 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: RE: CKD Defenders

Dear Simon,

We in the States are illated to hear such noose. It opens a door for us to 
continue to purchase new Defenders. Please send me a copy of the correct 
number when you get it...Directly if you would...  JWROVER@MSN>COM

Yours,

John Wood

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From: 	Simon Ward-Hastelow
Sent: 	Monday, March 17, 1997 4:14 PM
Subject: 	CKD Defenders

The article I posted about CKD defenders had an incorrect phone number, 
for readers to contact.

I will try to find an alternative number for you to try if you are 
interested.

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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From: BarrieWyLR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:01:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

My 60 series II swb got its name from my son at the 94 Nat'l Rally.  He
complained that it wasn't as comfortable as the new Land Rovers.  That it was
like a "Rugbeater" Well the Rugbeater went everywhere the new ones did.  Sam
still likes the comfort but, had a lot of respect for the old Rugbeater.  I
also have a 94 D90, No name, it is for sale.  See you in Red River N. M.

Be Happy, Barrie

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:08:58 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

Hudson29@aol.com wrote:
> Thanks to all that offered advice about my shimmy problem. I have saved that
> advice, and whenever it is that I finally finish my Norton motorcycle, I will
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> Fullerton, CA USA
> Hudson29@aol.com

My Land Rover came with its name of "Pig" Even a year after I bought it 
other Rover owners would stop and say " I was wondering who had bought 
Pig" Took them about a year before they'd ask MY name. "Charlie" was a 
Rover I bought from an insurance company because it had a fire in the 
engine bay and they wrote it off. I named it Charlie because of the 
"charred " remains. It now resides in New York. "Bitsa" is a 1971 88 we 
put together from bits of other Rovers, fenders,doors,seats etc,etc. 
Names sort of come to you. Take your Rover out for a good run in the 
woods, stop and have a cup of tea and smoke. If it doesn't start when you 
want to leave you will come up with plenty of names for it. 

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:12:59 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Oil Temp and Pressure

John Ousterhout wrote:
> Apoligies to the list for possibly misleading regarding oil temps. I should
> have said oil temperatures UP TO 300 degF show the least wear in a test of
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> consistency
> >of ethanol at 280 degrees (although not Penzoil 20-50w).  At 280 degrees the
> (snip)

Now I know what I'll use when "Pig sprouts wings and flies!!"

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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From: VossMotors@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:11:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

I wish to unsubscribe

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@idt.net>
Subject: Pinky
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:09:57 -0500

The just-released CROSSROADS video magazine by LRNA has a spot on Pink Panther 10FG56 in it - taken last fall!

Any Land Rover Centre will have it available for viewing - you can fast forward it to about minute 20 to catch it...

Actually shows her under way!!!!

You can disregard the bozo behind the wheel!!!

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:57:41 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Odd Series II?? (3 cyl Diesel)

Quintin wrote:
> As I understand it the 3 cyl " turner" conversion diesel is a TWO stroke ! I
> think that it is a pettet industrial motor.

Don't equate 2-stroke Diesels with 2-stroke gasoline/petrol engines.
Many large Diesels are 2-stroke including Detroit Diesels (except the
latest) and Electromotive (as in large Diesel locomotive).

Peter wrote:
> That would have been the Austrian Jenbacher two-stroke diesel, although I 
> seem to remember it was a two cylinder engine. I am still trying to get info 
> from Jenbacher about it. Turner Engineering ("the" Turner) denies 
> everything, btw, so maybe it was another Turner company.

Considering the relative dates, the '50s and a firm claiming to be 20
years old or so, they must be unrelated companies with similar names.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:17:04 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Filter Adapter Plates/Oil Pressure

Davies, Scott wrote:
> Why not just treat the engine to a dose of Slick50(or similar product) which
> claims to protect engines during the vital few seconds at startup before the
> oil pressure is there?

This could lead to a discussion which would make FWH and LR vendors seem
like mild topics. Don't tempt me.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:55:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover Names

Hi all

My LR got it's name of BOOZMOBLE while on a weekend trip. My nephew 
and a few of his friends, my wife and I were traveling in a remote 
area of the Transkie. by the end of the day's travel the cab was 
ankle deep in beer cans and juice bottles (for my wife). My nephew 
dubbed the LR King of BOOZMOBILES. The name has stuck.

Shaun Fisher 
SERIES IIA BOOZMOBLE

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 16:25:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Used Discos

>I'm thinking about buying a used discovery. I would appreciate any
information about >particular problems and features of each model year of
U.S. version Discoveries (ie '94, >'95, '96). Also what are the major
differences between the different model years?
When I looked for my used Disco in November the only difference I found between
the model years were amenities.  The newer the model, the more "fluff" stuff you
 get.  I ended up with a '95 and I think the only
difference between that and a '96 is manual and power seats?  I'd recommend
looking for a '95 or '96 that just came off a lease.  I noticed that the Discos
that were previously leased were in excellent condition.
I guess people take better care of a vehicle when they know they will be turning
 it in and will be charged for anything that isn't in great condition.  I'd
recommend that you just look for one with low mileage, some time
left on it's warranty, and the color you want.  The only difference in model
years is the asking price.  Around here '95 Discos go from $20-$30k depending on
 how serious the dealer is in selling it.

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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 16:25:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Used Discos

>I'm thinking about buying a used discovery. I would appreciate any
information about >particular problems and features of each model year of
U.S. version Discoveries (ie '94, >'95, '96). Also what are the major
differences between the different model years?
When I looked for my used Disco in November the only difference I found between
the model years were amenities.  The newer the model, the more "fluff" stuff you
 get.  I ended up with a '95 and I think the only
difference between that and a '96 is manual and power seats?  I'd recommend
looking for a '95 or '96 that just came off a lease.  I noticed that the Discos
that were previously leased were in excellent condition.
I guess people take better care of a vehicle when they know they will be turning
 it in and will be charged for anything that isn't in great condition.  I'd
recommend that you just look for one with low mileage, some time
left on it's warranty, and the color you want.  The only difference in model
years is the asking price.  Around here '95 Discos go from $20-$30k depending on
 how serious the dealer is in selling it.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 08:53:12 PST
From: James Breach <jbreach@ds5200.gradyn.co.uk>
Subject: Front wheel drive land rover

I have just converted my SIII land rover to front wheel drive.
It happened comming to work this morning.
I was comming around a corner and lloydy just wouldnt go.
No bang, no smoke, just no connection to the back wheels.
It still goes in fwd, and the transmission seems to wind up
sometimes slightly and the hand brake works.
Any Ideas?  Is it going to be expensive?
James

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From: "Ron Barak" <RonBarak@POBoxes.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:21:23 +2
Subject: [Q] Counter Gear - Lay-shaft Axle breakes at less than 15,000 KM

  Hi,

  I'd like to ask the group's opinion on the following: I have a
  1995 Discovery TDi 300 that was driven for less than 15,000 KM when
  I had to replace the Counter Gear - Lay-shaft Axle (FTC4982)
  because four of it's teeth broke !!! 

  I was wandering if anyone had a similar problem because it
  seems that such a breakage at less than 15,000 KM signifies a
  faulty part, and that I (the owner) shouldn't bare the costs
  of installing a new part (the cost was circa US$420, and,
  alas, my one year warranty had already expired).

  Thanks, 
  Ron.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:17:10 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Front wheel drive land rover

James Breach wrote:
> I have just converted my SIII land rover to front wheel drive.
> It happened comming to work this morning.
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> Any Ideas?  Is it going to be expensive?
> James

Hah, the demon sideshafts claim another hapless victim!

One of your rear sideshafts, probably the short one (right hand side),
has in all likelyhood twisted off. Avoid driving far until you've at
least had a chance to remove the broken bits (otherwise they continue to
churn against each other mucking up your diff centrepiece or your wheel
bearing or both - Yes, this is as expensive as it sounds!). On the other
hand sideshafts themselves are fairly cheap to replace, easy too, have a
look at a Brit buddy who got pressganged into replacing one of mine at
Third Bridge in Botswana last year (http://196.7.64.10/landy).

With the comments and assistance of some of the other guys on the list,
a friend and I are experimenting with sideshafts that won't be so
inclined to twist off, you can peek at our progress under the
"Technical" button on the above site.

Good Luck!
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
http://africanadrenalin.com

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Regarding battery charging!!
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:56:02 +0100

Olafur Agust Axelsson[SMTP:olafura@rhi.hi.is] wrote:

Im a complete novice at this so dont laugh if this was a stupid question!! 
-
I know you experts do :-)

No, from my work, I know that the experts do not laugh, they have also been 
beginners, and can remember how it was. Those laughing, is the beginners 
from yesterday, that have only a little more knowlede than the pure 
beginner.
By the way, I expect You to be expert in riwer driving within a year, You 
have the worlds finest area in the neigbourhood, Thorsmoerk and 
Springisandur (sorry for the spelling).

Happy Rovering

Bent

Bent Boehlers, Denmark
bb@olivetti.dk

110" V8 STW 83
86" 2litre softtop 55, under restoration.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:15:35 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Front wheel drive land rover

James Breach wrote:
> I have just converted my SIII land rover to front wheel drive.
> It happened comming to work this morning.
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> Any Ideas?  Is it going to be expensive?
> James

Hi again,

Bill Caloccia (the doyen of the US mailing list) just sent me some links
for my site dealing with your problem. Goto http://196.7.64.10/landy, go
Technical and page down until you see the links he provided, follow the
"Broken Diff" one.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
"into Africa adventures" The African Adventure-travel Webzine
http://www.adventures.co.za
"AfricanAdrenalinDotCom" Sign up for adventure here...
http://africanadrenalin.com

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:52:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Odd Series II?? (3 cyl Diesel)

Two stroke in a diesel can be a good thing. I found an old add for the
"Turner 2-stroke supercharged automotive unit" It has a (poor) drawing of a
80" landrover. And a photo of the beast in question. 3 cyl with seprate cyl
heads implying "modular" construction. Looks like a pre-war design. Like the
sabb diesel.
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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