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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:29:35 +0200
Subject: Decal / stickers etc

Hi all 

Anyone out there into swopping club logo vehicle and window decals 

Owners / Natal window decal for you......(who knows what they 
are called on what side of the pond, we're down south and probably 
call it something completely different too!)

PS Please reply to my address and not the list, don't want to start a 
flame / decal issue / free wheel hub type war again!

Regards
Jean
_______________________________________________________
Jean Andre Gruneberg

P.O.Box 201010
Durban North
4016  
South Africa 
c-ph 082 551 8433
e-mail grunberg@iafrica.com

Every normal person must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken

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Subject: Re: Dunsfold LR
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 12:55:26 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Does any one have any information about the Dunsfold Land Rover Museum. 
>Is it open to the public? or by special arrangement only?  And if so,
>who do I contact?
>Thanks, Ian

They do have an open day once a year around September time I think (?) 
but they have been known to show people around who present a pretty good 
case for not being able to attend the public days eg; from overseas, 
serving time etc,

I would say though that if you are passing their way its worth calling 
in, there are a couple of business run by different brothers of the 
family and all to do with Landrovers and off-roading.

Last time I visited them there was a good selection of Landrover vehicles 
just parked up outside, I'm not sure if they were awaiting treatment or 
just overspill from the main collection. There were also a few 'Judge 
Dredd' 101 conversions there.

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:55:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

Hi 

I have a series IIA with a series I body and it fits just fine.

Shaun Fisher
SERIES IIA BOOZMOBILE

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:03:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Lotus Owners?

Howdy all,

Just a short message to see if any of you are Lotus Elan owners, or if you
can suggest a good online source for information on the '60s and '70s
Elans.  I ran into a guy here in florida (actually I had to search for
him) that has a bunch of them restored and in all sorts of disarray.  I
love the look and performance of the car and would like to consider one
for a daily driver (uh...).

Any info is well appreciated!  Please reply directly to me if necessary to
keep the bandwidth on the LR group low....

Thanx!
steve swiger

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	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:21:28 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

At 12:30 97-03-11 -0800, you wrote:

I didn't think there was a difference between the 109 cab and 

>an 88 cab. In fact, I didn't know that there were different cabs made! I 
-will try to locate a mount plate in one of our catalogues here, if not , 
>try to make one with dads (Con) help.
>  Thanks, Nick
-
>try to make one with dads (Con) help.
The cab is identical, for a 109 or an 88. The only difference (that I am
aware) is that there was an adaptor plate fitted to the 88 in order to have
a snug fit and to get a rid of the 2" gap. It was cheaper to make such an
adaptor plate than to design a different cab. (Rover mentality and proud of it)

Good thing you can still buy it, I thought that it was discontinuated.

Good luck, 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:32:10 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: American Racing Wheels

At 16:08 97-03-11 -0900, you wrote:

>I just discovered that American Racing has an Aluminum wheel with the 5
>on 6.5" Rover bolt pattern.  It is the AR23 model which is a 5 spoke
-design. The only size available is 16 x 7.  Backspacing is 3.75".  I
>called a local vendor and they confirmed this info and quoted a price of
>just under $130.  I have no plans on buying any wheels in the near
-future but thought that others might find this info usefull.
>Tim Sitter
>just under $130.  I have no plans on buying any wheels in the near
-Peters Creek, Alaska
>Tim Sitter

Great! The perfect accessory to complete the low-riding-conversion-kit!:-)

High Riding, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:36:33 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

Michel Bertrand wrote:
> At 12:30 97-03-11 -0800, you wrote:
> I didn't think there was a difference between the 109 cab and
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> 1973 88 SW (21st century project)             \        /
>                                                \______/
Does thi mean that the cab needs modifying to fit an 88 cab or to fit a
109" cab - my pickup fits the 109 without the plate, but I have
considered using my spare pick up cab on the 88 instead . where exacly
is the gap - are we talking about a vertical space between bottom of cab
and top of bulkhead or a longitudinal space because the cab is too
long/short (front to back) to match the bulkhead?

Sorry I'm confused? (But still interested!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:33:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

Just having gone through this myself, 
There is only one pickup top for 88's and 109's.  For 88's there is an
adaptor plate (I got my from RN, but it could be fabricated) and a brace for
the tub bulkhead.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm">Blue Brick Rover Page</A> 

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:30:16 +0000
Subject: Re:  wheel/tyre size on a 2A SWB

>For the SWB, you should, technically, be using the 15" rims.

Sure? I thought the only 15 inch rims were for teh US market? ALL the 
LRs I have ever seen, short or long, all have used 16inch rims.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:30:16 +0000
Subject: 235/85s

>I am wondering whether the metric tire size 235/85-16 is relly the
>right size for a Series 2A 88 .    Can anyone help me?   My address

They fit OK - someone just up the road has replaced his old 6.00s 
with a set of these.

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Subject: Re: 235/85/16
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 13:38:45 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>I am wondering whether the metric tire size 235/85-16 is relly the right
>size for a Series 2A 88 .    Can anyone help me?   My address is
>mak@jax.org.     My name is Mark Kandutsch.   Thank You.   MAK

I have this size of tyre fitted to my 110 (BFG Trac Edge) it is slightly 
taller and wider than a 750/16 though not as much as you would notice 
straight away.

I'va also seen them fitted to S111s. Although they are quite a bit wider 
than the usual 205s fitted to the shorter wheelbases.

You should not have a problem on a 2a although it will reduce your 
turning circle and you will need to adjust your lock-stops to avoid 
fouling under the wheel arches.

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:37:11 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Dunsfold LR

Michael writes:
> :Dunsfold LR is located just outside the "village" of Dunsfold.
> :Dunsfold is south of Guilford in Surrey.
>  The only meaningful description to those outside of the
>  UK is the distance and bearing from London. 

For crows interested in LRs Dunsfold is approximately 40 miles from the
center of London on a bearing if 220 deg (SW). I don't think public
transport is feasible as Dunsfold is a small village off the main roads
in a nominally rural area.

Also, for the LR inclined crow: Billing is 90 mi, bearing 335 deg (NNW)
from center London. It is on the east side of Northhampton just off the
A45. Public transport should be feasible, possibly using a cab for the
last leg.

Gaydon is 110 mi, bearing 315 deg from center London. The museum is
close to the M40 outside of the village. It is 12 mi east of
Stratford-Upon-Avon and south of Warwick.

If you're considering a trip to England as opposed to just London get a
good map or road atlas (try Borders, B&N or any larger bookstore). The
distances above are straight line and should not be used for estimating
travel times. Bearings are eyeball estimates and not to be used for
navigation. Dunsfold is one to two hours from greater London by auto.

Regards,
David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan, USA

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:41:49 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

Adrian writes:
> Difficult to say without knowing what cab (series) and what truck - I
> think that the pick-up cabs and bulkheads from SII, IIa and III are all
> compatible (I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong here!) - I
> have what I think is a Series II(a?) pick up cab which fits ok on my
> SIII's - there should not be a gap between cab and bulkhead.

The cabs are all the same. The 109 bulkhead is rearward compared to the
88 bulkhead, hence the filler panel when mounting a truck cab on a 88. A
brace is also used from the spare tire mount on the bulkhead to the cab.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re:  wheel/tyre size on a 2A SWB
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 14:05:00 PST

Fairly sure my friend's sIII SWB ran on 15" rims. His wheels sure looked a 
lot smaller than mine.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: Andy Woodward
Subject: Re:  wheel/tyre size on a 2A SWB
Date: 12 March 1997 14:30

>For the SWB, you should, technically, be using the 15" rims.
Sure? I thought the only 15 inch rims were for the US market? ALL the
LRs I have ever seen, short or long, all have used 16inch rims.

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:13:03 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> Just having gone through this myself,
> There is only one pickup top for 88's and 109's.  For 88's there is an
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> the tub bulkhead.
> Nate

Maybe you can help me understand this Nate! What is the difference
betwee the 88 and the 109 body, which makes the adaptor plate necessary?
is the cab in the 109 "deeper" than the 88?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 9:09:02 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

It seems that at least once per week there is a lame attempt from some 
soul to unsubscribe from this list. I imagine by now there must be 
several dozen of these floaters occupying the equivalent of e-mail 
Purgatory, caught in the twilight zone of the internet...never quite able 
to cast themselves free.
I should think that the collective wit of this group should be able to 
come up with a suitable reply to these plaintive wails in the darkness. 
Something firm, yet with a strong dash of good humor and facetiousness 
that will instruct without undue finger-wagging and ascerbic foppery.
Suggestions please. The best ones we will file and use to bombard the 
hapless froon so unkucky as to post that "help me unsubscribe from this 
list" message.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:03:01 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

Adams, Bill wrote:
> It seems that at least once per week there is a lame attempt from some
> soul to unsubscribe from this list. I imagine by now there must be
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> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

Nice Idea Bill - last time I suggested something like this, I got
seriously rapped over the knuckles by some subscriber for my arrogant
attitude (maybe a disco-driver?) :-)

The situation strikes me a humourous - after all, using a PC today, on
or off net, is still too complicated for many, thus dooming them to the
perils of "Plug 'n' Pray" - still I would have thought that most people
would have found out how to un-subscribe, and considering the invitation
to change subscription and the address  of the major is at the top of
every posting on this list - I can't believe that logic so rarely seems
to triumph over desperation.

Maybe we should get the Major to make an "un-subscribe" webside, so that
instead of the existing header message, there is a line saying "to
un-subscribe, click here - and when you click, you get a side with the
recipe - write your e-mail address in THIS box, tick the lists which you
wish to unsubscribe from in THESE boxes, confirm HERE - that sort of
thing - maybe it would lighten the load for all of us, but still I would
miss the humourous replies that these unwitting subscribers provoke from
the wittier members of this list.

maybe Bill C. could devise some labrynthian net-questionaire which
potential unsubscribers should fill in before unsubscribing - we could
therefore supplement your incitement to write funny messages with a
similar invitation for funny questions to be filled in by applicants -

here are some suggestions to be going on with....

1.	Why do yu want to un-subscribe?
2.	What sort of Land-Rover do you not have?
3.	How long have you never had a Land Rover?
4.	Do you wish for your unsubscription to be automatically cancelled 	at
some future though random date?

and a cliff-hanger for the wittier applicants -

5.	what is the correct order for tightening the bolts which fasten 	the
2,25 head onto the block, and what is the recommended torque?

Failure to answer questions correctly, results in indefinable delays in
the processing of all unsubscribe applictions.

Like any good club, an application to unsubscribe should be accompanied
by a character reference from three existing subscribers.

I did like your description of "purgatory" - maybe Bill C. could create
a seperate list ("The LR-unsubscribe digest") to which all failed
applicants could be banished?

But then, on the other hand, we wouldn't want to offend anyone with our
"arrogance"

Yours subscribedly,

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:03:24 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

The 109 bulkhead is rearward compared to the
> 88 bulkhead, hence the filler panel when mounting a truck cab on a 88. A
> brace is also used from the spare tire mount on the bulkhead to the cab.
> Regards,
> David Cockey

So..that would translate to an extra 2" of legroom in a 109?

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <InfoDyne@hehe.com>
Subject: RE: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:12:54 +0100
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From: 	Adrian Redmond
Sent: 	jeudi 13 mars 1997 01:03
Subject: 	Re: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

>.........

A lot of good ideas... Pleased to read it while at work

I sent a message this morning to a new French member ???
I don't know how he did to send a subscribe message to this list ! (directly not with the majordomo...).

Alain-Jean PARES
88 Serie III RHD Diesel (still not moving)
Bourron Marlotte, FRANCE
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:27:13 -0500
From: Rob Dennis <RobD@UnitedParking.com>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

At 02:36 PM 3/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Does thi mean that the cab needs modifying to fit an 88 cab or to fit a
>109" cab - my pickup fits the 109 without the plate, but I have
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>and top of bulkhead or a longitudinal space because the cab is too
>long/short (front to back) to match the bulkhead?

It is a longitudinal space. On the 88 the pickup cab does not rest on top
of the bulkhead. The back of the cab is about 2" behind the bulkhead, thus
creating a gap. From what I learned when trying to mount mine on the 88.
The original plate had spacer around each hole that were welded to the
plate, these spacers were not on the new plate that I bought. There is also
a small support bracket that goes between the spare tire mount and the back
of this plate. I made the spacers, but the bracket is NLA and I was
planning on making one of them also, but it seem to not be necessary.

  
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From: Curtis Palmer <cpalmer@ATLANTA.ViewCallAmerica.com>
Subject: Air Conditioning in a Series?
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:49:37 -0500

Ok, Ok, stop laughing!  As I continue to "guide" my wife towards
accepting the purchase of a Series IIa - - - combined with the fact that
I live in the SouthEast USA (with summer humidity)...  I must ask her
question (sanitized from the original response <g> she gave me):

"Is there after-market A/C for a Series Rover?"

Once everyone picks themselves off the floor, please advise.  I even
remember the venable ol' VW bug had such an aftermarket option.  And the
D90's can be fitted with A/C (granted the bonnet is moved forward a few
inches to make room).
                                          < curtis - Duluth, GA USA >

     // Curtis V Palmer \\
     cpalmer @ ViewCall.com
     +1.770.729.2929 / x243

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <InfoDyne@hehe.com>
Subject: Sorry for the attachment...
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:48:52 +0100

Sorry for the attachment of my previous message, but you know, in France, 7 bits are not enough to put all our accents...

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:00:03 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re :Cab Mounting..

Seems as if my text vanished on the way to the list..
What I was going to say was:

So..that means an extra 2" legroom in a 109?

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:56:50 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

Alain-Jean PARES wrote:
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Ooooohhhhh! That was nasty.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:55:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning in a Series?

It can be done, and is as an add-on in the UK.

I was considering it at one time myself, but it would require a complete
system with its own blower and the like.

If you really have to have it, i'd think about one of the roof-mounted van
types - they're complete as-is and just need 12VDC, though at some pretty
heavy amps. This will increase your height and preclude you from most
parking garages, and from using a roof rack.

If you go the latter route, you'll want to think about a heavy-duty
alternator and battery also.....

                              Al Richer

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:00:43 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning in a Series?

Curtis Palmer wrote:
> Ok, Ok, stop laughing!  As I continue to "guide" my wife towards
> accepting the purchase of a Series IIa - - - combined with the fact that
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>      cpalmer @ ViewCall.com
>      +1.770.729.2929 / x243

Why, you think they have too much power?

Seriously, even at 45 Celcius the front air vents are wonderful natural
aircon. OK so prepare to lose a lotta weight off your legs.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:43:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning in a Series?

In a message dated 97-03-12 11:35:25 EST, you write:

<< "Is there after-market A/C for a Series Rover?" >>

Hi Curtis,

Most people I've talked to about this have had the best success by installing
a roof mounted RV air conditioning unit (electric), rather than a unit driven
off a belt.  There are two problems with belt driven units in LRs:

1.  Space (wings have to be seriously cut)
2.  Power.  (or lack of it)  The 2.25 liter LR engine is seriously impacted
by the drain of a belt driven system.

If you install a roof mount system, be sure you have a connector near the
windscreen (if that's where the power's from) so that it doesn't get ripped
out if you should ever decide to take off the top.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:46:13 -0800 (PST)
From: paulk@lightspeed.net (Paul Kleinkramer)
Subject: Winch on Discovery

Could some of you help me with some winch ideas for my Land
Rover?

I have a 1996 Discovery with a dealer option brush guard mounted
at the front.  While this guard is great for brush, it was
obviously never intended to mount a winch (its far to wimpy).

Does anybody know of a winch and/ or mounting arrangement that
would allow me to keep this brush guard and have a winch up front
too?  Should I consider a winch that plugs into the rear hitch
receiver?  They look pretty weak.

The dealer tells me the brush guard is specially designed,
(yah...right), not to interfere with the operation and timing of
the air bags.  Could a winch up front be a safety problem for air
bag deployment in a front end wreck?

Anybody's ideas will be appreciated!

Thanks,

Paul Kleinkramer
paulk@lightspeed.net

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:05:46 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6L Valve Cover Gasket

Irv Berteig wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a problem that has occurred more than twice -- so it is time to ask
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> Irv
> http://www.accessone.com/~berteig

My Alfa had the valve cover stippled. Someone had taken a punch and made
a series of craters with ridges around the perimeter of the valve cover
thus creating a way to grip the gasket.

Tom

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:07:13 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

Adrian suggests (snip):
>I did like your description of "purgatory" - maybe Bill C. could create
>a seperate list ("The LR-unsubscribe digest") to which all failed
>applicants could be banished?
>But then, on the other hand, we wouldn't want to offend anyone with our
>"arrogance"

Are you suggesting we split the list again? Then we'd have the coil list, 
the series list, the west coast list, AND the unsubscribe list. I wonder 
what the folks of the unsubscribe list would talk about? Should they 
unsubscribe in real time, or digest mode? What are other lists they could 
unsubscribe from?

To subscribe, write "unsubscribe" in the body of your message.
To unsubscribe, write "won't someone please unsubscribe me from the list I 
don't own a Land Rover and have never had any interest in them". Please 
include at least three references from former unsubscribers. DO NOT BREAK 
THE CHAIN. They must each reference three additional unsubscribers. When 
your name gets to the top of the list, you will be elligible to own a Land 
Rover. You'll also know how to repair and maintain it by then, if you've 
been saving all the postings. You may need to increase your hard disc capacity.

Cheers,
JohnO

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:34:24 -0800 (PST)
From: paulk@lightspeed.net (Paul Kleinkramer)
Subject: Re:2.6L Valve Cover Gasket

Yes, Tom is correct.  A mechanic friend showed me that on an old
AMC straight 6 valve cover.  Little bumps or, better yet, tiny
holes that leave sharp edges towards the gasket will hold it in
place very well.  The holes we made were about 3/4" apart and all
around the lip of the valve cover.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

In a message dated 97-03-12 12:37:48 EST, you write:

<< Maybe you can help me understand this Nate! What is the difference
 betwee the 88 and the 109 body, which makes the adaptor plate necessary?
 is the cab in the 109 "deeper" than the 88? >>

Not owning a 109 -- sadly ; ) -- I can't speak with complete certainty, but I
suspect it has to do with the petrol tank location in 88's versus location in
109's which may affect the tub bulkhead.    Others may have a better theory.

Nate

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:05:19 -0600
From: hansonpa@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us (Paul Hanson)
Subject: Re  NEED CARB, WILL GO!:

NEED CARB. WILL GO!
        Greetings all! I have a need for a carb [good used or new] for my
'88.  She is a 1973 111. If you have one or know of someone who has one for
sale, please let me know.
        Paul Hanson

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:00:35 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Help for the swirling eddy of lost listers...

John Ousterhout wrote:
> Adrian suggests (snip):
> >I did like your description of "purgatory" - maybe Bill C. could create
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)]
> been saving all the postings. You may need to increase your hard disc capacity.
> Cheers,
> JohnO
Brilliant! A chain-unsubscriber! Is it legal? I love it!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:07:18 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-03-12 12:37:48 EST, you write:
> << Maybe you can help me understand this Nate! What is the difference
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> 109's which may affect the tub bulkhead.    Others may have a better theory.
> Nate
I've fianlly got the point! two 88's and a 109 in the garage, and I had
never - i 15 years noticed the difference - all that space! Maybe that's
why the 109 gives more "body-room" and the 88 gives a "firm-seating".

I presume the reason for the move was to make the 88 rear cab big enough
for 4 persons (!) when configured as a hard-top/soft-top, and for 3
bales of hay on side when configured as a pick-up - maybe easier for
transporting sheep, pigs and chickens, and gives more space in the rear
for that "bonking" nopise that everyone was talking about last week!

I just changed the oil and adjusted the valve-rockers tonight - a
reasonably regular routing job, but evn still, I am always amazed at the
audible improvement which a tune up and oil change makes, and no smoke
either! Simple pleasures and dirty hands do have their way of making my
day!

By the way, does NADdMD mean that you are a doctor? (Is there a doctor
in the list?)

Hi Nate!
-- 
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:55:15 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (cmw)
Subject: 2.6 Valve cover gasket

Hi all.  

Irv Berteig asked about his 2.6 valve cover gasket.  I have the Euro 6 and
got the decarbonizing gasket set from Atlantic British for something like
$50.  I just called British Pacific and they don't have either in stock.  I
don't think that any company makes the valve cover gasket for the NADA.

Two suggestions -if you must have a cork gasket (personal feelings or fit of
the cover) then make sure you use thick enough stuff -1/8 inch or so.
Otherwise I would suggest a Permatex product called, simply enough, GASKET
the Right Stuff.
It comes in a whipped cream looking can and seems like whipped RTV.  It's a
little gluey, but very rubbery and easily cut away/seperated with a razor blade.
(This stuff took quite a bit of the strain out of the "hold the oil pan in
place with forehead" section of my last two engine forays)

Good luck 

Chris
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:10:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Re NEED CARB, WILL GO!:

Go to your nearest junkyard and shop the old Ford pintos. Early ones used
the Weber 34ICH.

That and a rebuild kit, and you're golden.....

                    ajr

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@camworks.com>
Subject: Radiator caps...
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:18:03 -0600

Any idea on how to tell if I have a bad radiator cap? Vehicle is a stock =
'66 IIa 88.

I've been having some coolant leaks - pressure leaks it seems - that =
finally resulted in my LR blowing the top hose yesterday while waiting =
for a long entrance meter. Other problems I've noticed in the last few =
months are the development of a couple of pinhole leaks in the top tank =
and some minor leaking from around the bottom and center hoses. Nothing =
was of major concern until yesterday.

My top tank is now kind of rounded on top, and I don't remember for sure =
if this is normal or not. I also haven't noticed any coolant dripping =
from the overflow.

It would seem to me that the radiator cap isn't opening to allow over =
pressure to escape, thus stressing the system. The temp hasn't been =
above normal, as a matter of fact the gauge was reading 80 degrees =
(typical operating temp) when the hose blew (nice little hole right on =
the elbow, spewing coolant right on the exhaust manifold). Coolant was =
properly filled and mixed for winter.

Pretty embarrassing to all of the sudden be enveloped in a white cloud =
while in tight traffic - and a disco two trucks back... :-)

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, minneapolis, mn
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:49:31 +0000
From: Dr Nicholas Mark Hacking <nick@hacking.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Cab Mounting(for my Pick-Up)

In message <bulk.10536.19970312110128@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Adrian
Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> writes
>(Is there a doctor
>in the list?)

There might well be.... but if there were he (or she) might be ashamed
to admit to being unable to get the US digest and unsuscribe from the
full US list, while leaving his (or her) UK list subscription just as it
is.

Not that any of this (hypothetical) doctor's postings get through the
major anyway :(

-- 
Nick Hacking          nick@hacking.demon.co.uk
                                
These promises are fair; The parties sure, 
And our induction full of prosperous hope!                       (Henry IV 1)

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:53:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning in a Series?

There was a very nice series truck at the virginia rally last october
with AC - don't remember whose it was - maybe Sandy Grice can help out.
i would think that some of the small ac compressors from a Honda civic
or such could be made to work - the rotary compressors (Sanyo type) are
pretty efficient. Look in the hot rod magazines for custom compact
condensor units - I think I saw a Vintage Air unit advertised in Rod &
Custom that looked like it might fit in the area where the stock heater
fits over the right side footwell.

Small sacrifices are sometimes required to persuade the gentler sex to
put up with our adventurous side - If it helps to sell the idea of a
Land Rover to the wife it is a small price to pay.....

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:47:59 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Pinto Carbs

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
> Go to your nearest junkyard and shop the old Ford pintos. Early ones used
> the Weber 34ICH.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
> That and a rebuild kit, and you're golden.....
>                     ajrI haven't seen a pinto in my local junkyard almost as long as I've seen a 
Land Rover there! I could use a couple of carbs myself, so are there any 
other makes of cars that would have a carb that would fit?
  
Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:13:02 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Radiator caps...

Tim Harincar wrote:
> Any idea on how to tell if I have a bad radiator cap? Vehicle is a stock '66 IIa 88.
> I've been having some coolant leaks - pressure leaks it seems - that finally resulted in my LR blowing the top hose yesterday while waiting 

for a long entrance
> My top tank is now kind of rounded on top, and I don't remember for sure if this is normal or not. I also haven't noticed any coolant 
> I've been having some coolant leaks - pressure leaks it seems - that finally resulted in my LR blowing the top hose yesterday while waiting 
dripping from the overflo
> It would seem to me that the radiator cap isn't opening to allow over pressure to escape, thus stressing the system. The temp hasn't been above 
> I've been having some coolant leaks - pressure leaks it seems - that finally resulted in my LR blowing the top hose yesterday while waiting 
normal, as a ma
> Pretty embarrassing to all of the sudden be enveloped in a white cloud while in tight traffic - and a disco two trucks back... :-)
> Tim
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Camworks, minneapolis, mn
> '66 IIa 88 SW

Sure sounds like you got a tight system, too tight! Change that rad cap, 
11 lbs I believe, and then watch your system after that for any other 
leaks you may have started. I think the tank on a Series IIa will expand 
at about 35 lbs if its in good shape, not very good for the seams though. 
 I change my rad cap every couple of years, they are cheap, and cheaply 
made as well. Hope this solves it for you.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1962 II  88 "Millie"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:04:51 -0400
Subject: RE: Pinto Carbs

Re: Junkyard carbs:

If you can't find a Pinto, the Rochester off a Chevy Vega works quite
nicely as-is, with no jet modifications. I've got about 10K miles on mine
(put it on as an experiment), and it works great, except for being a hard
starter on cold mornings.

It won't take the oil-batrh air cleaner, though, you'll have to go to a
mini-pancake to use it. The Rochester can't breathe right through the
oil-bath - too restrictive for street use.

Cruises at a steady 65-70 on the highway with OD - ask the Defender I blew
off I-95 yesterday afternoon! 8*)

Poor guy thought he'd fallen through a time warp...but he did smile and
wave enthusiastically.

                              ajr

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 06:58:07 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 2.6L Valve Cover Gasket

Hi Irv,
 Early Jeeps had the same problem.  The jeep valve cover gasket looked
like a big 'U' around the full edge of the cover. I have seem a few
fixes from contact cement to epoxied medal to reshape the shape of the
head. The later seemed to work well to fill the gap over the spark
plugs.

-- 
Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:06:26 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: My Radiator cap

I have a  4-1/2# radiator cap on my 2.25 diesel. I've used this pressure 
rating for 10 years now, on the theory that it will reduce the stresses on 
the radiator. I just had the radiator rebuilt, mostly repairing the cracks 
that had formed at the ends of the dimples on top. They were there when I 
got the vehicle and were the original reason to use the low pressure cap. 
190degF thermostat, stock fan. It indicates 165-180deg except when spending 
more than 5 minutes at 60mph, when it will finally creep up to 190F or 
slightly above. In hot summer weather on the freeway it will get to 200deg, 
but has never overheated. If I were to spend more time in hot climes I'd use 
a cooler thermostat.

JohnO
'64 109 5-door

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:45:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Air Conditioning in a Series?

Sure! Why not?!? I suggest getting a copy of any hot rod magazine, that
caters to street rods or vintage restorations. Loads of ads and how-tos on
installing AC. A kit using the new freon can be had for less than $1200US
last time I noticed. Get a military timing cover for a 2.25, make a bracket
for the compressor and there you go! If you *really* feel arts&craftsy, move
the alternator up high to the military position, and put the compressor down
low on the left where the alternator was.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:59:44 -0800

> From: Mark Kandutsch <mak@aretha.jax.org>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> size for a Series 2A 88 .    Can anyone help me?   My address is
> mak@jax.org.     My name is Mark Kandutsch.   Thank You.   MAK
You might also want to take a look at the 215/85-16.  I used that size as
replacement for 6.50x16s.

FHY

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:54:28 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Decal / stickers etc

>Hi all
>Anyone out there into swopping club logo vehicle and window decals
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 29 lines)]
>Every normal person must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
>hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
>H. L. Mencken
Jean,
        Yes, I would enjoy trading club stickers, and even t-shirts and
other club stuff if anyone is interested.
thanks,
Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
16007 W. 82nd Place
Lenexa, KS USA

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keep the oily side down

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 06:37:08 UT
From: "K. JOHN WOOD" <JWROVER@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Decal / stickers etc

dear Steve,
I hope to see you at the 1997 National Rally in Red River, NM. I've sent your 
club some info. If you attend and make youself known to me I'll be sure you 
get one of our Solihull Society window Badges...

Yours John Wood- Event Co.  Jwrover@msn.com

----------
From: 	Steve Paustian
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 12, 1997 7:54 PM
Subject: 	Re: Decal / stickers etc

>Hi all
>Anyone out there into swopping club logo vehicle and window decals
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 29 lines)]
>Every normal person must be tempted at times to spit on his hands,
>hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
>H. L. Mencken

Jean,
        Yes, I would enjoy trading club stickers, and even t-shirts and
other club stuff if anyone is interested.
thanks,
Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
16007 W. 82nd Place
Lenexa, KS USA

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW
Keep the oily side down

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From: finchm@sky3.bskyb.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 8:39:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Billing 97 preparations

Hi Simon

      I will be there and my girl friend hopefully thursday,stickers are a
good idea

Yours rovering

mark and cath

Mark's Dutch UN Diesel Lightweight 24V
Cath's SIIA SAS Pink Panther OO!! Yes a Pink panther
 ----------
From: simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com
Subject: Re: Billing 97 preparations
Date: 10 March 1997 13:50

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From: finchm@sky3.bskyb.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 8:39:34 +0000
Subject: Old Magazines

Dear All ,

     Does anybody out there have a copy of LRO March 1990, or Off Road & 4
Wheel Drive March 1989, as I would be very interested in them.

Yours rovering

Mark

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From: finchm@sky3.bskyb.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 8:39:31 +0000
Subject: RE: 25 year tax exemption

Hi paul

     I have a 1969 SAS Pink Panther, which is tax exempt, even though it wa=
s
not first registered until 1991.

     The first thing you should do is ring the DVLA and make sure that it i=
s
not all ready tax exempt, as it well may be, as you have applied for a age
related plate  (mine was),  if not then they will need prove and evidence t=
o
say that it was made in 1972.

     John Riley at Land Rover Traceability, Lode Lane should be able to hel=
p
you out. I will try and find the number and mail tomorrow

     Once you have got the DVLA to say you are tax exempt then send back
your log and write on the back of if in the box new tax class 25 Year
exempt.

     I hope this is of some help, any other questions just email

Yours rovering

Mark Finch

finchm@sky3.bskyb.com

Dutch UN Lightweight 24v Diesel
SIIA SAS Pink Panther
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From: p.hazell@WORC.AC.UK
Subject: 25 year tax exemption
Date: 07 March 1997 11:32

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