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1 bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Boh31Non LR- California travel information ??
2 Lorri Paustian [lorri@so16Re: sorry for all the shouting.
3 Rob Dennis [RobD@UnitedP28Re: Circlips
4 "Matthew J. Clement" [ma50UK License Plates
5 Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com23Rear Door Spare Tire Mount
6 "Ron Franklin" [oldhaven20We really are nice people after all
7 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.14Re: sorry for all the shouting.
8 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.14Help, I'm rolling and I can't stop!
9 Andy Woodward [azw@aber.13Re: DEFENDER WIND SCREEN
10 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@11BrakeLineFlareToolPicks
11 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim27[not specified]
12 johnsonm@borg.com (myk) 26Re: D90 Rust problem
13 twakeman@scruznet.com (T26Re: BrakeLineFlareToolPicks
14 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em13Re: D90 Rust problem
15 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea17Re: strange SI spotted
16 Clayton Kirkwood [kirkwo28resend of suspension question
17 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M34Re: resend of suspension question
18 Tony Treace [ATREACE@has19RE: resend of suspension question
19 NADdMD@aol.com 41Re: resend of suspension question
20 Michel Bertrand [mbertra31Re: resend of suspension question
21 Michael Carradine [cs@cr17Re: sorry for all the shouting.
22 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us12Re: resend of suspension question
23 David Place [dplace@mb.s19Spring lift
24 hstin@cts.com (Henry Sti10Apology!
25 Michel Bertrand [mbertra32Re: Spring lift
26 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu21Re: Spring lift
27 twakeman@scruznet.com (T21Re: Spring lift
28 Michael Carradine [cs@cr20Re: Look out Discovery!
29 N4PTK@InfoAve.Net 19BrakeLineFlareToolPicks
30 Adrian Redmond [channel630Re: Spring lift
31 "William L. Leacock" [wl23Austin
32 Larry Thackston [lthacks8 LRO International Magazines
33 David Cockey [dcockey@ti15Re: 2.25L Engine Questions (Crank)
34 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr45Re: Non LR- California travel information ??
35 "Brian Cramer" [defender22Re: LRO International Magazines
36 Solihull@aol.com 28Diesel cranks, from '2.25L Engine Questions'
37 Rob Dennis [RobD@UnitedP30Re: Differentials
38 BigAlSk8r@aol.com 16D-90 door tops
39 oboskyr@mail.interquest.25gray market LR
40 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett15[not specified]
41 NADdMD@aol.com 19LR possibly FS


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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: Non LR- California travel information ??
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:02:20 +-100

Sorry for using bandwith for nonLR stuff.
One of my freinds are going to California, USA, for holliday.
He and his family is not offroaders, but would like to know 
what they can drive (not walk, he is using a wheelchair) to 
see. Special interests is national parks, old towns from the 
gold rush and that kind.

I hope someone from the area will give some ideas, or maybe 
an URL to read?

Happy Rovering

Bent

_____________________________________

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
 86" softtop, 2 litre, 1955

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 06:19:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: sorry for all the shouting.

Which dealership would that be?  Where are you located?  Thanks.
At 09:30 PM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>wow! i had no idea, makes sense though, i'll be sure not to do it again,
>sorry all. thanks to every one who responded to my questions! i realy have
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>local dealership and would be happy to give my 2 cents worth if  i can get on
>line &/or have any idea.  thanks again,allan
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 07:34:37 -0500
From: Rob Dennis <RobD@UnitedParking.com>
Subject: Re: Circlips

>>It was more of a general comment. The couple I did the preceding night 
were successfully defeated (gearstick ones which hold the spring in).
As I'm doing my (SIII) gearbox, there are *lots* of circlips...<<

There are lots of circlips in the gearbox, but the one that Jack was
referring to is the mother of them all. You will know when you find it. As
usual the shop manual completely understates the problem by saying to
simply remove the spring ring, but does give you a few clues to the
difficulty by stating several times that the circlip should NOT be reused.
Enjoy...

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     RobD@UnitedParking.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1996 Discovery
  [_______________________]     1963 MB Unimog 404.1
     EEEI           EEEI

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 11:59:31 +0000
From: "Matthew J. Clement" <matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk>
Subject: UK License Plates

As I have been overwhelmed with requests for UK Number Plates, I figured
I would make a quick public posting so that anyone who is interested can
get back to me about getting plates.  I've spoken with a local motor
factor in town and am able to provide anyone who wishes with UK-style
license plates.  

The price, inclusive of tax and shipping to any US destination, will be
$28/single plate, $45/front and rear.

You can choose between new style plates:

  Front: White plates with black letters
  Rear:  Yellow plates with black letters

Or old style plates:

  Front: Black plates with silver letters
  Rear:  Black plates with silver letters

To be technically correct, old-style plates can only be fitted to
pre-1973 vehicles, but I think that they look much nicer than the new
plates.

Additionally, plates can be either long rectangular (all letters on one
line) or square (two lines).

All plates are pressed aluminium, and are shipped in bubble-wrap.  I
will also include a GB-oval sticker and "Drive on the left" arrow with
any order.

If you are interested in adding a bit of character to your Land Rover,
please e-mail me with your desired lettering and format.  I am able to
accept personal cheques payable to:

  MATTHEW J CLEMENT
  SOUTH FALFIELD FARM COTTAGE
  BY LEVEN, FIFE KY8 5PJ
  SCOTLAND

I am not making a profit out of this (well, only enough for a pint of
beer!) and am merely providing a service to other enthusiasts.  Drop me
a line if you have any questions.

-- Matthew Clement
   matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:09:54 -0500
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Rear Door Spare Tire Mount

     Doug,
     
     Since the spare mount on the back door of my wife's 97 D90 looks just 
     like the (steel) spare mount on the back door of my 60 Ser II, I asume 
     they are *essentially* the same.  There should be no grease or hinge 
     or anything like that involved.  What has likely happenned is that 
     water has seeped between the flat plate of the mount and the skin of 
     the door, where it sat, worked its way through/under the paint (if 
     any) on the hidden face of the mount, which is now rusting.  My 
     suggestion would be to enjoy the learning experience of doing what you 
     dealer can't seem to figure out by removing the spare and the door 
     interior trim, then separating the mount from the door and handling 
     the derusting/repainting of the mount yourself.  I can give you more 
     details/tips at the Pine Barrens on coatings, etc.  My 109 has lived 
     outside for about 7 yrs since I redid my mount, and no rust streaks 
     coming from beneath yet.  
     
     Hank

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:35:39 -0500
Subject: We really are nice people after all

Seen on the Euro-Moto motorcycle list:
-------------------------
  Last week crossing the Dartfords bridge in high winds, a Land Rover 
  deliberately moved into the right hand lane to shelter a wind 
  battered ZZ-R1100 rider all the way across.
  Goes to prove that good manners are'nt dead, so be nice to Land 
  Rovers.
------------------------

Somebody out there in the homeland helping our image?

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:11:24 +0000
Subject: Re: sorry for all the shouting.

>>wow! i had no idea, makes sense though, i'll be sure not to do it
>>again, sorry all. thanks to every one who responded to my questions!
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>You can leave the "I" as a capital letter, we won't think that you
>are shouting, it just looks strange if the letter is not a capital...

Maybe he's just lacking in self confidence..........>>>>>I<<<<< dont 
have that problem.....

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:11:24 +0000
Subject: Help, I'm rolling and I can't stop!

>     First, I was driving with my daughter about a week ago, came to
>     a stop sign, and the pedal was flat, to the floor.  Two pumps
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>     lines, but the problem persists.  Damn, I miss my truck.  Any
>     advise is appreciated.

Someone's put teh return spring across both brake shoes.......Been 
there, done that :(

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:11:24 +0000
Subject: Re:  DEFENDER WIND SCREEN

>the vehicle leads a hard off-road life. On the 90 & 110 one piece
>screens, the rubber mounting seal perishes at the corner radii and
>lets in water.

I know :(     Wondered about how effective bodging them with Finnegans 
underseal would be????? Since replacing rubbers can be a bit fo a 
bastard.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:53:42 -500
Subject: BrakeLineFlareToolPicks

Wanted:  Brake Line Flare Kit Recommendations!

What's your pick for the ideal single and DOUBLE flaring tool: 
robust, well-designed, able to get into tight places, ...
Thanks!  Mark

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Subject: Re: strange SI spotted
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 13:56:32 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Yesterday I took a closer look at a SI I recently spotted.
>I never have seen a SI life, but this one looks a bit strange to
>me. It has a red Austin (!) badge on the grill and the rear and a
>rubber mounted two piece windscreen.The head lights are not
>covered with the grill grid. 

It could be an Austin Gypsy, these were made at around the same time as 
the S1's and were intended to be a direct competitor, but they did not 
last long.

Although similar in size etc, I wouldn't have thought that the two could 
be mistaken unless you are unfamiliar with the Gypsy, if you just got a 
quick look it may be confusing.

These vehicles are still driven and sought after in UK and I suppose that 
due to the lack of spares etc some may be fitted with Landrover bits?

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:21:34 -0300
From: johnsonm@borg.com (myk)
Subject: Re: D90 Rust problem

<SNIP>
>I have a '95 D90

<SNIP>
>I am imagining things, or is the rack in need of replacement?

The best place to ask would be the folks in the CSO,  seeing that most
machines in this group have never seen a warranty.

I don't mind the D-X0 & Disco folks in here asking tech questions but the
"I cant figure out how to install my mud flaps..." and warranty problems
seem to belong to the plushy groups.

READY,  AIM,   FLAME at will !!!
It's what we seem to be the best at here recently.  (mv $FLAME > /dev/null)

I do mean this post in the nicest possible way.

74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:32:21 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: BrakeLineFlareToolPicks

At  8:53 PM 3/6/97 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>Wanted:  Brake Line Flare Kit Recommendations!
>What's your pick for the ideal single and DOUBLE flaring tool:
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>robust, well-designed, able to get into tight places, ...
>Thanks!  Mark

I have the one sold by the Eastwood company 800-345-1178

double/single flairing kit - cat #1075

ISO flairing kit - cat # 1085

They also have a number of tubing benders.

I think all flair tools work better on the bench where you have space and
can easily inspect the flair that you made.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:17:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: D90 Rust problem

On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, myk wrote:

> >I am imagining things, or is the rack in need of replacement?
> The best place to ask would be the folks in the CSO,  seeing that most
> machines in this group have never seen a warranty.

	Oh I think they did.  Back in 1964 my 109 came with the industry
	standard 90 day warranty (up from 30 day in 1962)... :-)

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Re: strange SI spotted
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:17:00 -0500

Al Richer wrote

"Re: Odd lookig series I;

Doesn't seem to me to be a Rover at all, but an Austin Champ!

They are quite similar, or so I've been led to believe - I've never seen
an
Austin personally."

Or maybe an Austin Gypsy

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:20:49 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@kirkwood-desk.fm.intel.com>
Subject: resend of suspension question

I sent this out several days ago, but received not one answer so let me ask
again...

Ok, so I've been replacing parts all over, and have the beasty running ok
(but still having the dickens of a time with getting the brakes to work
right). I am wanting to understand whether the suspension needs to be
replaced. So...

How does one know if the leaf springs should be replaced? Is there a certain
height some component should be above another or the ground?

The bottom plate under the springs, and where the shocks attach down low, is
bent, or so it seems. BP doesn't sell these bottom plates. Are they supposed
to be bent? It looks like the shocks were fully compressed in offroading,
hard!! and bent that plate.

I presume that the way to determine if the shocks need to be replaced is by
the jumping on the bumper test: if it continues to undulate, then replace.
Mine aren't undulating particularly, but I assume they are pretty old.

Thanks,

Clayton

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:37:59 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: resend of suspension question

. I am wanting to understand whether the suspension needs to be
>replaced. So...
>How does one know if the leaf springs should be replaced? Is there a certain
>height some component should be above another or the ground?

The usual criterion as I understand it,is you have a broken leaf,or,
if the springs have "burst".ie if,through accumulated crud the leaves
have separated.

>I presume that the way to determine if the shocks need to be replaced is by
>the jumping on the bumper test: if it continues to undulate, then replace.
>Mine aren't undulating particularly, but I assume they are pretty old.

Jumping on the bumper wont tell you a thing.You'll be lucky to get a
twitch out of it,let alone a bounce.Examine the shockers for oil leaks,
if present,replace(not forgetting new bushes).If you feel noble,remove
the shockers and pump them in and out by hand,to the full extent of
their travel.If you get even resistance in both directions they are OK.
I beleive that resistance is different depending whether you're
pushing or pulling,but I've forgotten which way.However as I say
the ressistance should be constant throughout the travel.If OK replace
(with new bushes).
I'm not sure what you mean about the spring plate being bent,but
hazarding a guess,I dont think itshouls be posible to completely
compress a shocker in use.Unless...are the bump stops missing?

Hope this helps a little.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: resend of suspension question
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:51:47 -0800

>----------
>From: 	M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk[SMTP:M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk]
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>if the springs have "burst".ie if,through accumulated crud the leaves
>have separated.
As a follow-up question, what if anything should you do to new
replacement springs before installation?
I just bit the bullet and ordered four new springs (Genuine), and have
heard suggestions ranging from "just a good coat of paint" to grease and
plastic strips between the leaves. BTW, RN doesn't list left and right
>hand springs like some other suppliers. Is it important?
>From: 	M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk[SMTP:M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk]
>Sent: 	Friday, March 07, 1997 11:37 AM

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:57:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: resend of suspension question

In a message dated 97-03-07 11:28:10 EST, you write:

<< How does one know if the leaf springs should be replaced? Is there a
certain
 height some component should be above another or the ground?>>

For this, look for broken spring leaves or the "Dagwood" sign: the leaves
splay out at the ends like the components of one of Dagwood's sandwiches (age
related reference).
 
 <<The bottom plate under the springs, and where the shocks attach down low,
is
 bent, or so it seems. BP doesn't sell these bottom plates. Are they supposed
 to be bent? It looks like the shocks were fully compressed in offroading,
 hard!! and bent that plate.>>

The plate should fit flat against the bottom of the springs (on a little
knobby) and the spindle for the shock should come out perpendicular to the
plate (parallel to the ground).  RN sells them in the unlikely event that it
is bent (it is a helluva thick piece of steel--I don't think a shock absorber
could bend it.  Possibly a high speed impact with a rock directly on the
spindle, but it'd have to be a lucky shot.)
 
 <<I presume that the way to determine if the shocks need to be replaced is
by
 the jumping on the bumper test: if it continues to undulate, then replace.
 Mine aren't undulating particularly, but I assume they are pretty old.>>

Look at the shock. If there are rust holes, it's shot.  Usually when someone
says, "I wonder if the shocks could be the problem..." they're probably shot
but may not be the whole problem. (Shocks wear out much faster than most
people think--as quickly as 2-3 years if a vehicle is driven hard).

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:37:34 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: resend of suspension question

At 08:20 97-03-07 -0800, you wrote:

>>The bottom plate under the springs, and where the shocks attach down low, is
>bent, or so it seems. BP doesn't sell these bottom plates. Are they supposed
-to be bent? It looks like the shocks were fully compressed in offroading,
>hard!! and bent that plate.
-

It is designed that way. Of all the Landies I parted out, they all had that
"bent". Viewd from the side, it looks like this:

          /-\  <<--U-Bolt
front    |   |           rear of the vehicle
        _|___|_
              o\ <<-- plate

(I never was a good designer...)

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 08:54:50 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: sorry for all the shouting.

At 02:11 PM 3/7/97 +0000, Andy Woodward wrote:
:>You can leave the "I" as a capital letter, we won't think that you
:>are shouting, it just looks strange if the letter is not a capital...
:
:Maybe he's just lacking in self confidence..........>>>>> I <<<<< dont 
:have that problem.....

                           Probably can't get it to stand up! =:0
                       ______  /
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:43:51 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: resend of suspension question

Please check your e-mail. I know I responded and I saw at least one 
other. The responses today were similarly addressed previously.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 21:40:14 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Spring lift

John Ousterhout asked an interesting question.  I posted an E-mail in
which I suggested that to offer more ground clearance you might put in
two blocks like had been on my 1969 88.  I took them off when I put new
spings on last month, but they were 1 1/2 x 5 x 2 1/4 and they sat
between the axle pad and the spring. They were obviously shop made and
had been made with the pin duplicating the pin on a Land Rover spring
and a hole so the spring pin could fit inside.  The "U" bolts were
longer in order to adjust for the greater thickness.  The shock pad
plates were on in the normal way.  John asked how this could raise the
vehicle since the axle would be closer to the top of the wheel arch. 
Now I consider it he is right.  Is this just a common way to raise the
differential in order to get an extra 1 1/2 ground clearance?  The
springs would still hang down I suppose but the expensive dif would be a
bit higher.  Has anyone else seen this on a Land Rover.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:56:18 -0800 (PST)
From: hstin@cts.com (Henry Stinson)
Subject: Apology!

        Apologies, I am new to the list and simply inquired into ECR to aid
in my search for a Series Land Rover.  Thanks to all who responded, enough
said!  Later!

                                                                Henry Stinson

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:42:28 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Spring lift

At 21:40 97-03-06 -0800, you wrote:

<<shnip>>
 John asked how this could raise the
>vehicle since the axle would be closer to the top of the wheel arch. 
>Now I consider it he is right.  Is this just a common way to raise the
-differential in order to get an extra 1 1/2 ground clearance?  The
>springs would still hang down I suppose but the expensive dif would be a
>bit higher.  Has anyone else seen this on a Land Rover.  Dave VE4PN

-

Actually, I think that your vehicle was fitted with the low-riding
conversion kit for the Californian market. Part #139567 The kit consisted of
a set of blocks to lower the suspension, pink or orange body stripes, a pair
of furry dice to hang on the rear-view mirror and the mammoth-hide (ancestor
of the elephant hide) to cover the dash and steering wheel with something
more comfortable. I think Lanny still has some. Give him a call.

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 22:44:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Spring lift

David Place wrote:
> John Ousterhout asked an interesting question.  I posted an E-mail in
> which I suggested that to offer more ground clearance you might put in
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> springs would still hang down I suppose but the expensive dif would be a
> bit higher.  Has anyone else seen this on a Land Rover.  Dave VE4PN

Whoa there, hang on a bit! How does a spacer between the dif and the
springs raise the height of the dif off the ground. To my way of
thinking the only way to lift the dif is to put larger diameter wheels
ofr tyres on (?).

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:55:58 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Spring lift

At  9:40 PM 3/6/97 -0800, David Place wrote:
>  Is this just a common way to raise the
>differential in order to get an extra 1 1/2 ground clearance?  The
>springs would still hang down I suppose but the expensive dif would be a
>bit higher.

Umm the diff is part of the axle assy which is held off the ground by the
wheels.  Its height from the ground is detrmined by the tyre diameter, and
its level of inflation.  Spacers on the springs change the hight
relationship between the axle assy and the body.  Contrary to popular
thought, the Land Rover is not the centre of the universe asserting pull on
everything else.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 12:55:07 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Look out Discovery!

At 10:48 AM 3/7/97 -0800, Bob Watson wrote:
:Here comes Mercedes.
:http://www.usa.mercedes-benz.com/slk/media/press/mclass.html has a
:report on the soon to be forthcoming M-Class SUV from MB. 
...
:Overall, if it's as good as it's Press Release, it looks pretty
:interesting...

 Kinda funny...  the Web page leading 'News Bulletin' Java banner froze
 on the first frame proudly proclaiming "...NEWS BULL"  ;)

 Michael Carradine, Architect                        Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Unimog Network Int'l, Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA  <cs@crl.com>
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: N4PTK@InfoAve.Net
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 16:29:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: BrakeLineFlareToolPicks

>What's your pick for the ideal single and DOUBLE flaring tool: 
                                ^^^^^^ 
>robust, well-designed, able to get into tight places, ...
>Thanks!  Mark

        I have to clear up there.  Be sure to never, never, never
use a single flare on a brake line.  You could blow it out under
the tremendous pressure in a brake system, and I you did the flaring,
you might just be held responsible for any damages or injuries or
death your failed brakes caused.  ALWAYS use a double flare.

Larry matthews
n4ptk@infoave.net

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 22:59:51 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Spring lift

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> At  9:40 PM 3/6/97 -0800, David Place wrote:
> >  Is this just a common way to raise the
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> relationship between the axle assy and the body.  Contrary to popular
> thought, the Land Rover is not the centre of the universe asserting pull on
> everything else.
True enough TeriAnn - for years Land Rover Owners believed that the tyre
was flat - before the "discovery" that the wheel was round. 
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:00:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Austin

From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: strange SI spotted

Yesterday I took a closer look at a SI I recently spotted. I never have seen
a SI life, but this one looks a bit strange to me. It has a red Austin (!)
badge on the grill and the rear and a rubber mounted two piece
windscreen.The head lights are not covered with the grill grid.  The rest
looks like the SI LWBs I saw on various pictures.  Can anybody enlighten me
what this could be?
 
 Franz, what you are seeing is probably an Austin Gypsy, this has slab sides
similar to a ser 1 but there the similarity ends. The gypsy production
stopped in the mid sixties when Leyland merged with BMC to for BL.
 They were also made in ser 1 and ser 2 configuraations, LWB and  SWB,
petroland diesel  ( 2.2 litre )
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 13:35:53 -0700
From: Larry Thackston <lthackston@aphis.usda.gov>
Subject:  LRO International Magazines

I have 48 copies of LRO International magazine, Jan. '92-June '96, for
sale. All in excellent condition. E-mail offers to:
lthackston@aphis.usda.gov

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 18:00:35 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 2.25L Engine Questions (Crank)

> Crankshaft
>  - I've heard of using 2.25 Diesel cranks in Petrol engines. What are 
> the advantages?

The diesel cranks are stronger: I believe they are forged while the
petrol cranks are cast. I doubt there is any benefit for a relatively
stock engine.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:06:18 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Non LR- California travel information ??

At 02:02 PM 3/7/97 +-100, you wrote:
>One of my freinds are going to California, USA, for holliday.

Which part of California?  It's a big place.  (Something 1000 miles (1600km)
from top to bottom.)  I can help with Northern Cal.  Take a look at
<http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/attractn.htm> and (in case they get hungry)
<http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/restrant.htm>.  

>He and his family is not offroaders, but would like to know 
>what they can drive (not walk, he is using a wheelchair) to 

California (at least NorCal) is fairly responsive to the needs of folks with
differing abilities, so he'll be pretty okay.  There are also, I think, a
couple of books about travelling in Calif for the folks in a wheelchair.  I
would definitely contact the DMV about getting a crip-card (handicapped
parking placard) so as to be able to use parking spaces marked for the
handicapped.  (Otherwise, folks (like me) will do anything from giving mean
looks up to denting/damaging cars parked in a handicapped space without a
placard.)

>see. Special interests is national parks, old towns from the 
>gold rush and that kind.

There are a lot of California web sites (it is, after all, the home of the
Silicon Valley), so take a look in altavista or Yahoo.  Yahoo has special
versions for San Francisco and Los Angeles.  

I would suggest taking Highway 4 from SF through Sacramento and up on into
the Gold Country, then heading to Yosemite.  Stay away from I-5 unless they
just want to get somewhere.  Highway 1 (the coast highway) is beautiful, but
slower than I-5.  

Lemme know if you have more questions!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 20:37:59 -0500
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: LRO International Magazines

$50.00 plus shipping. Let me know.

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
888-434-4678 office
609-273-9708 home
'94 D90 (LRNA #1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII swb

At 01:35 PM 3/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I have 48 copies of LRO International magazine, Jan. '92-June '96, for
>sale. All in excellent condition. E-mail offers to:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 8 lines)]
>sale. All in excellent condition. E-mail offers to:
>lthackston@aphis.usda.gov

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:27:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Diesel cranks, from '2.25L Engine Questions'

>Crankshaft
> - I've heard of using 2.25 Diesel cranks in Petrol engines. What are
>the advantages?

I used a 2.25 diesel crank in my rebuild. It's forged, so it's stronger,
right? Big deal. :-/  Really, 'cause the stock cast ones are plenty strong. I
used it 'cause it was the best one I had around, and no one with a diesel
2.25 seemed to want it last fall when I offered to swap it. It was standard
and the two others I have would have to be turned. I have one more diesel
crank, but it'll need turning, due to some rust on one of the throws. 

The real advantage was in having the whole mess balanced to around 6000rpm.
Suh-moooooth!!

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 22:24:29 -0500
From: Rob Dennis <RobD@UnitedParking.com>
Subject: Re: Differentials

At 06:04 PM 3/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>No need to make a change a big job.
>The series 1, 2 and 3 differentials can be fitted into a defender or a range
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 6 lines)]
>fitting of the steering damper.  the rear from a 110 can be interchanged
>with a ser 3 Salisbury internals

You forgot one thing. The later diffs use 24 spline half shafts, while the
series units used 10 spline shafts. The 24 spline shafts are much stronger
so you would want to keep them, but it might be possible to exchange the
spider gears. I haven't tried it, so I don't know. You do have to remove
the ring gear to get the spider gears out though.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     RobD@UnitedParking.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1996 Discovery
  [_______________________]     1963 MB Unimog 404.1
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From: BigAlSk8r@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:46:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: D-90 door tops

Hi again, as several people have noted D-90 door tops will work on series 2/3
{I have them on my S-3}  but what some may not realize is that since most if
not all defenders after 1994 came with door tops from the port {they were
optional in 94} , some dealers are sitting on them and may be willing to sell
them at a discount. Another nice thing about them is they are all alloy so
they should last forever . Thanks again for all the info on lifting and wind
screen , I think I'll stick w/ stock as I had thought I could use the D-90
top if I had the wind screen , I didn't realize the box was 4" shorter !  So
if any one hears of a smoking deal on a series soft top please drop me a
line.  Thanks All ,  Allan

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From: oboskyr@mail.interquest.de
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:18:21 +0000
Subject: gray market LR

Guten tag, I am an American currently living in Germany; and due to 
"jump the pond" back to the States in about a year. My problem is  
I've grown very attatched to my '82 III 109" LR that I acquired 
here in Germany. It's an ex-military vehicle that I have put alot of 
TLC into. I very much want to take her back home with me, but it 
seams she is considered a gray market vehicle (leaning towards the 
black end of the spectrum) which is un-importable to the United 
States. This leaves me with two options that I know of: 
- try and trade her for an older Land Rover that is importable
- sell her and try to buy an older one in the States under $7000
 One thing that is not an option is doing without a Land Rover, thats
because I'm afraid I've" caught the bug" in a bad way. I have been an 
avid four wheeler for over 10 years, and pre-coil spring Land Rovers 
represent everything I love in four wheel drives; they're noisy, bumpy, 
simple, and tough! 
 My questions is if there is any other option out there that I may 
have overlooked ? Is there another way to take my LR with me?
Thanks,
Reggie      '82 Ser III Petrol V-8 109" (Matilda)

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 97 22:42:00 EST

Dave VE4PN wrote:
>I don't know if anyone else had tried this, but on my 1969 88 there were
>two solid steel blocks between the springs and the axle attachment
>points that lifted the whole vehicle about 3 inches.  They were machined
>with the pin in them and longer "U" bolts held them on.

We used to use these for *lowering* cars, not lifting them!  Do LR axles sit
*under* the springs ie. the opposite of most cars?

Ron (RR impaired - unable to afford a real LR) Beckett

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:48:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: LR possibly FS

Hi All,

I am sad to say the Brick may be for sale. He's an 88" SIIa, 1968.  Pictures
are on my web page:   <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm">Blue B
rick Rover Page</A> (http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm).  

Since those pictures, I've added new rims, rebuilt the swivel assemblies, and
replaced the rear diff and the half shafts.

Located in Maryland
All inquires to me privately please
Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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