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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:57:15 -500
Subject: Assorted Questions

LR List,
What can I find out from the following Comm. No. 24414566B. 

Does a 109 IIA pickup have a fixed cab/bed bulkhead.  I always 
thought this to be an unboltable panel, but I saw one that looks 
quite permanent.  It was not vertical but slanted forward at the 
bottom.  It appeared the galvanized bed top trim wrapped around
the front of the bed.  Is there a LR with such a removable panel?  

Tires fitted:
Front: LT245/75R16  M+S  LoadC 
Rear: LT235/85R16 (Cooper Discoverers)  
I like a narrow tall tire.  Can anyone recommend either of the two 
above tires?  Thanks!  Mark

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:47:20 -500
Subject: "Iron Duke" A Worthy Choice?

Is the "ron Duke" 4 cylinder engine a good replacement choice for a 
109?  I believe this is a GM/Pontiac unit?  Given that lack of originality
is not an issue, what other engines should I consider?  Mark  

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:58:40 -0400
Subject: Re: "Iron Duke" A Worthy Choice?

>From what i've heard, it's damn near a marriage made in heaven.
 More power, easily available parts, and drops on the stock mounts
 with the right adapter ring.

Not my cup of tea, but if you want to swap out that Godawful
Mercedes Diesel thing you've been on about, it's the way to go.

               aj"My .02 worth..."r

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:06:30 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Diesel Oil pressure - what now

Iwan Vosloo wrote:
> All,
> the response to my question about oil pressure in different situations
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> Me                40-45              45                      15
> - Iwan Vosloo
> ( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )
Glad you raised the question Iwan! I don't know the answer either, so I
am looking forward to the hopefully forthcoming replies and theories!
Maybe you should just drive? Dunno, always nice to know the answer - if
there is one?

Good luck - keep us posted!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:10:37 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Diesel oil pressure - forgot something

Mike Rooth wrote:
> but I just noticed something.  Jack & my oil pressures behaved more or
> less the same and was lower than the others.  But I just remembered that
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> Cheers
> Mike Rooth
My 88 has an original Smiths electrical oil pressure guage - the 109 has
an aftermarket (Equus) electrical guage.

This could be a difference between electrical and mechanical measurement
- as the electrical sensor could change resistance when it gets warm
(which presumably it does, being beside the motor?)

Could also be that the voltage stabilisor doesn't (stabilise)?

Any thoughts anyone?
-- 
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:14:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Diesel oil pressure - Slippery references

When confronted by a situation like this, it's oftentimes my habit to go
find a stable reference that isn't indebted to Joe Lucas or the like.

What 'd recommend here if anyone is concerned overly by this is to go find
a garage with a test gauge, check THAT with compressed air, then hook the
thing up and see what it reads against the original gauge.

Been there, done this...bought a liquid-filled gauge specifically for this
type of task, as a matter of fact. For the $25 in gauge and fittings it was
worth it to have a portable reference.

          aj"I love standards.....8*)  "r

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:14:53 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Oil pressure guages (was: Re: Diesel oil pressure - forgot something)

Mike Rooth asked:
> Personally I would rather trust a mechanical gauge than an
> electrical one,but I wasnt aware that Land Rover fitted a
> pressure gauge as standard.Was this an original fitment?

I believe the Smiths electrical guages are original equipment (fitted to
export models like mine?).  However I have removed mine when it stopped
working and fitted an aftermarket mechanical one because so many people
would also "rather trust a mechanical guage".

All the fittings needed to fit the smiths guage's sensor as well as the
oil pressure light sensor are standard equipment too.

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 9:26:39 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Oil pressure, or lack of it...

I can't imagine that the difference between mechanical and electric 
guages would result in such a great disparity. Mine is mechanical BTW. I 
would suspect that you have a wussy relief spring or at the worst, worn 
out vanes. In any case, it's easy enough to drop the pan and remove the 
oil pump for repair, a weekend project at worst.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:49:15 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: "Iron Duke" A Worthy Choice?

At  7:47 AM 3/3/97 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>Is the "ron Duke" 4 cylinder engine a good replacement choice for a
>109?

Well that depends upon what you want.  The Chevy 4 is lighter than the Land
Rover 2-1/4L petrol.  It has more power and gets better petrol milage.  And
you do not need to modify your frame or engine bay.  With Scotty's adaptor
its about the easiest swap that you can make.  Of course the purists would
hate it and say you should have purchased a Blazer.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 09:46:41 EST
Subject: Re: SIII Clutch troubles on the way?

>>yesterday my clutch suddenly started behaving weird: 
>>It still drives though and the problem does not seem to be increasing.

Check the nuts on the pushrod in the master cylinder, they may have come 
loose.

DaveB.

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From: tchris@smart1.net (velardi, Theron)
Subject: Re: D90  SW
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:41:54 -0500

Yes if anyone happens to come across a 1997 Def. 90  in yellow or white in
New England I'd apreceate word of it! thank Chris 

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> From: Beckett, Ron <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
> To: Land Rover Network <lro@playground.sun.com>; RRO List
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Date: Monday, March 03, 1997 10:27 PM
> Boy, If David thought this was clutter, I'd hate to think what he thought

> about my mistake in posting the virus info.  How long did it take to down

> load Keiths message?  1 second, 10 seconds, 30 seconds?  It was less than

> 1000 characters long.  Some signature files of pix of Landies etc are
nearly 
> as long.  I usually call in from home to my company's mail server to get 
> this mail.  For me that is a trunk call.  Not a cheap or, in some
countries, 
> free local call.
> It doesn't worry me about these entries.  I live 10,000 miles away so I
<rro@playground.sun.com>
am 
> certainly not going to go for a spin in them (I'd like to).
> Unlike Australia, Defenders are somewhat thinner on the ground in the USA
<rro@playground.sun.com>
so 
> if one becomes available there just may be a buyer on the list who is 
> looking.   Keep 'em coming, Keith.
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> >On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Keith W. Cooper wrote:
> >> There is a beautiful brand new Red '97 D90 Station Wagon sitting on
our
> >> local Land Rover dealer's lot.  Just for kicks, I took it for a spin
>       [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:50:38 -0500
From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Subject: Interior spare tire holder

Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote:
> The original message was received at Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:31:50 -0500

> Hello;
> I have installed a fold and tumble seat in my 88" using
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> 63 IIA 109 2.25D 5 Door SW
> 71 IIA 88 2.25P 3 Door HT

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 07:43:05 -0800 (PST)
From: hstin@cts.com (Henry Stinson)
Subject: Series III

Hello,
        Can anyone direct me in my search for a Series III 109 3 door with
tropical roof?  I would prefer a petrol model that has been rebuilt using a
new Galvanized frame.  I am presently in San Diego CA so one already smogged
and in state would be preferable.  It appears the Series 3 109's were never
imported by Rover for the US market.  Can anyone on the list tell me the
number of Series III 109's in the US?  I am more interested in a vehicles
condition then its rarity.  Is a Salisbury axle conversion common on IIA
109's?  I would be interested in such a vehicle also.  Thanks in advance for
any direction!

                                                        Henry Stinson
                                                         hstin@cts.com 

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:13:37 -0800
From: "Tom Gross [ESRI-Redlands]" <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: Re: California smog and imported vehicles.

Hello,

I just wanted to clarify my statement about Calif smog tests.  I see that
my fellow Dormobiler, John Hess, thought I might be saying that a vehicle
imported into Calif had to meet CURRENT standards.  That's not so.  They
only have to meet the standards for the year of the vehicle.  So, a 1967
vehicle has to meet the '67 emissions standards, which as John says are
700 max ppm for HC.  I forget what they are for CO.  A tune up, oil change
and screwing the idle mixture down to just richer than a lean miss should
suffice for most.  I can even get my '68 VW with a 2400 cc engine to pass, 
and I have to put all the original smog equipment on it.

I just had my '67 NADA tested.  John is correct in saying that there were
no standards in the smog test computer for '67 6-cyl Land Rovers, but that there
were for 1968.  There are two parts to a Calif smog test.  One, the vehicle
has to meet a visual inspection.  That means that all the smog equipment
listed for it must be present.  Whether or not it works is not usually
determined by the inspector.  It just has to be physically present.  Second,
the vehicle has to meet the emissions standards for that year. 

All this is dependent on the person you take it to for the test.  Calif tests
are done by licensed mechanics at private garages.  Sometimes they fail to
notice that something is missing, but usually they are strict about the
visual test.  If they cannot find the specs for a vehicle, then you might
have to take it to a referee station.  These folks are very picky, but
they usually will only look to see that equipment is present.  For
instance, when I took my VW to the referee, it was trying to idle along
with the single barrel carb and its 280 degree cam.  They still passed
it.

For John and future tests, I'd suggest doing what a former owner of my
Rover did.  Put a small catalytic converter in the exhaust system.  I
don't think inspectors care if you have too much smog stuff, besides they
aren't going to be looking for something underneath the car that isn't
on the specs.  Mine passed with a HydroCarbon reading of about 150 ppm,
and I'm still trying to figure out how to make that SU carb work right.

Tom Gross

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 18:30:50 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Help! 88" SIII Petrol in care!

Hi,

I've got a rover-lodger at present - a somewhat decrepid but running
1973 SIII Petrol 88". It's owner, my friend took it from denmark to
iceland, decided to stay there another year, but wanted to avoid the
problems of permanent import, so a few days ago it arrived in a
container and is now in care!

All my understanding (!) of Land Rovers is based on diesel 2,25 SIII, so
I was curious when I opened the bonnet - "Where's the motor?" I cried
"what THAT?" I added. "Isn't there something missing?" I couldn't resist
to wonder. Maybe the petrol version is so spacious, but I was surprised.

Talking of Petrol - Eskild (that's it's name) drinks more petrol
standing in a car park, than in the outside lane of the motorway - so i
decided to check the tank ot this weekend.

Same as the diesel - a tin box, double skinned at the bottom, with a
fine sandwich of Icelandic lava dust and rust between the skins -
seperated the two, and found the holes.... lots of them.... the tank was
serving as some sort of filter for removing rust from the påetrol,
before spewing the filtered octane into the gutter.

Solved that, rebuilt the tank, liberal coats of "Chemical metal" and
rust paint, black paint, and the trusty silicone mastic before fitting
tank again. Repainted the frame around the tank, a few outriggers, and
for good measure painted the front end while I was waiting for the rest
to dry. A complete attack of shipfitters disease set in, now its well on
the way to a rebuild!

But I need some advice about tuning the petrol engine before I start it
up again - what is the best method for tuning the solex (square casting)
carb, and what else should I check.

I'm not running Eskild in ready for Paris Dakar or LeMans, just want to
keep him in good, albeit rusty form, for the next year - give him a run
now and again, and keep him well.

Can any petrol owners offer any words of advice.

And where is the motor? :-)

Thanks - apologies for the long-winded outburst but petrol is new to me!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:33:27 -0800
From: kloeppej@ccmail.orst.edu (John A. Kloepper)
Subject: D09 SW  Rear mud flap installation??????

     I purchased a set of mud flaps for my D90.  The fronts went on No 
     sweat, partially because they came with instructions and hardware.  
     The rear flaps although they look like a real no-brainer are causing 
     me some concern.  Because they came as individual components and not a 
     kit like the fronts were I am with out mounting hardware or 
     instructions.  I can live with out the hardware but the lack of 
     instruction worries me.
     
     I need a slight clue as to how to mount them to my vehicle.
     
     There are 5 holes drilled in the mounting bracket as well as a slot in 
     the end of the bracket.  Three of the holes are for attaching the 
     actual flap to the bracket.  It looks like the hole on the end which 
     is actually drilled through an angled piece welded onto the bracket 
     lines up with a hole in the frame.  In addition it looks like the slot 
     at the opposite end of the bracket fits over a ridge made between the 
     black plastic wheel guard and the body.
     
     That's all I can figure out.  It still leaves the mysterious other 
     hole to be accounted for.  I hope that hole plays some role in all of 
     this as I am concerned about the movement of the bracket wearing on 
     the body where it fits into the slot of the bracket.
     
     One last thing.  If I've hit the nail on the head and this is all 
     there is to mounting the bracket then what is the correct way to mount 
     the bracket to the frame?  It doesn't look like the hole in the frame 
     is threaded.  Would the best way to go be to thread that hole or to 
     drive a rivnut in there?
     
     Any help is appreciated.
     
     -John
     
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:21:33 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: sick starters and dead batteries

Hi Franz!

I have 100Ah under the seat and with the turn of a key I can add another 88 Ah
to help myself starting on a cold (below -10 C) morning. 
Works great.

Peter

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Subject: Re: Assorted Questions
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:36:53 -0800
From: "G. Mugele" <mewgull@ix.netcom.com>

Mark asked:

>Does a 109 IIA pickup have a fixed cab/bed bulkhead.
Yes as do all the 88's.  The 4-door, of course, does not.  I find it very 
handy in my Series III for attaching tie-downs and stacking cargo against 
it, particularly off-road.  My D90 lacks this and I miss it.

Gerry
95' D90 364/500 'Peat'
72' Series II 88 'Gooey' 

Cheers,
Gerry Mugele
Peat  -'95 D90 SW 364/500
Gooey -'72 Series III 88
*** All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

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Subject: Re: California smog and imported vehicles.
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:48:23 -0800
From: "G. Mugele" <mewgull@ix.netcom.com>

Tom Gross had much to say about Calif Smog...

And to enlighten the crowd here.  There has been some discussion on this 
on the Mendo-Recce list.  Everything Tom and John say is correct.  
However there is currently a bill in committee in the Calif 
Legislature...it needs your support!
SB42 introduced by Quintin Kopp (yes, *that* Quintin Kopp) will revise 
the current smog testing requirements.  Vehicles whose *model year* is 25 
years old or older will be exempt from testing beginning 1 January 1998.  
The bill is now in committee and has no listed opposition so it looks 
good for passage.  This means or antique hardware can still be driven in 
California.

The unknown here is what this means to vintage vehicles coming in from 
other states or countries.

Please, Californians, write or email your state senators.

Gerry
95' D90 364/500 'Peat'
72' Series II 88 'Gooey' 

Cheers,
Gerry Mugele
Peat  -'95 D90 SW 364/500
Gooey -'72 Series III 88
*** All things being equal, fat people use more soap.

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:10:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: Chris Weinbeck (Registration)

Chris,
I had similar difficulty when I tried to get my rover registered in Tenn. (I
finally ended up going to a tag and title office where they collect foreign
license plates-they were so interested in getting one of my GB plates they
didn't give me to much flack).  I did have to sign an affidavit stating that to
my knowledge all the information I presented was accurate.  Maybe your tag and
title has a similar arrangment.  

Eric Zipkin mentioned that GA has an easier process, and involves a little
buying and selling arrangement here in the states.  I would wonder about tax
though as GA is fairly steep.  If you need help let me know as I have family in
GA.  

Eric may have more details.

Paul G
SIII SWB "Grendal"

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:20:34 -500
Subject: Re: Assorted Questions

Gerry,
Thanks for your comments.  I have always heard that all LRs are just 
overgrown meccano kits, so I assumed that the bulkhead was just 
bolted in.  When I looked at one closely, it appeared rather, well, 
permanent.  I often transport sails and spars, so I want all the 
length I can get.  What a bummer.  Mark  
 

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:20:34 -500
Subject: Re: Assorted Questions

Gerry,
Thanks for your comments.  I have always heard that all LRs are just 
overgrown meccano kits, so I assumed that the bulkhead was just 
bolted in.  When I looked at one closely, it appeared rather, well, 
permanent.  I often transport sails and spars, so I want all the 
length I can get.  What a bummer.  Mark  
 

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:02:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Assorted Questions

the bulkhead on the 109 two doors is non-removable just as on the 88"
series- this bulkhead is replaced by a 1" diameter tubular steel bar on
the 109 station wagons to support the front seat backs. I have seen
people trim the bulkead in hardtop 88's and 109's in order to
accomodate reclining seats. you might also look at the late model
D-90's to see how they eliminate the bulkhead.

Ive seen the cooper tires and they look pretty good - don't know how
they wear but the 235/85 is a good size for Land Rovers-you should have
the same size at both ends though or your transfer case will suffer if
you put it in 4wd.

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:12:19 -0500
Subject: Re: "Iron Duke" A Worthy Choice?

Robert Davis in Norfolk Va is transplanting the marine (MercCruiser)
version of this engine into Land Rovers- Much better fit with less
clearance problems than the chevy six and it can be VERY fast - I drove
one of Robert's conversions at the VA rally and I was impressed -
looked almost stock too. Lots of parts available for this engine -
Pontiac offered a performance parts catalog full of goodies for this
motor when they were selling the Fiero (Barbie Ferrari) and many Chevy
V-8 parts will migrate (valve train, rods, pistons, etc..)

If you gotta swap - this is a good choice (much better than the dodge
slant six I saw in a 109 SW at one of Steve Johnson's rallies) and
nowhere near as bad at causing clearance problems as a V-8 or Chevy six
conversion.

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:18:16 -0800 (PST)
From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

Ron, 
 Sorry to hear about the gun-grabbers in your nation. I guess it isn't the
hunter's paradise I thought it would be. Must stick to good old USA. And
Africa. Keep those Land Rovers running though.

Frank

P.S. What's your benevolent Aussie gov. going  to do when they can't stop
the drug crazed criminals like we have in Philadelphia. A virus?? I hope it
never happens! For God's sake amd yours. 

1969 red Ser. IIa

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>series Tojos also rusting out there.
>Ron (suitably chastened about posting the Word 6 virus messge) Beckett

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From: Boris Brecelj <boris.brecelj@kiss.uni-lj.si>
Subject: RE: Roof Racks
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:50:33 +0100

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From: 	Geoffrey Reynolds[SMTP:reynoldsg@tfn.com]
Sent: 	19. februar 1997 16:02
Subject: 	Roof Racks

I'm seriously considering options 1, 4, and 5, but am currently
leaning toward the ARB rack (option 4).   I would appreciate any
advice from others out there, especially if there's an option I have
not listed (Thule and Yakima rack systems aren't options :)).

Did you ever consider to have it custom built. I had mine custom built =
from stainless steel and it was cheaper than anything else available on =
market.

around 450$ for full length D90 and it is modular, I can remove front, =
rear, left or right side...

Boris

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:22:48 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Painting Birmabright

Is there any disadvantage to not painting the Birmabright and leaving it
silver?   I'm refurbishing my S1 and it looks so nice (the parts that
have the paint off already) and also that way I don't have to commit to
a colour!!!  Is it more likely to corrode without paint, or is it purely
cosmetic.   And, if I do take off all the paint, can I damage the
aluminum by taking it off woth a wire brush(on a drill)?

Also, the top of the rad is a beautiful brass colour now that it's
stripped down, and I'd like to leave it like that.......
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: "neil warburton" <neilwarburton@enterprise.net>
Subject: "Storm" The facts
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:07:01 -0000

Hi All.
	Well for Mark Ritter's information I know for a fact that the Storm engine
is a totaly new unit being designed in house at Solihull.If  he thinks he
know more than someone that is working on the project I won't bother to
post anymore news on it.
	I will just leave it to him.
Yours Disapointedly
	Wrecker

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Lizards 1, Highlanders 0 (Amended)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 10:47:00 EST

OOPS!  my comment should have read :

"Our Australian goannas AREN'T quite as big!"

Sorry if I've given a false impression of the size of our goannas.

Ron

From: Daniel McDonough wrote:
>If those lizards are anything like what I have in my front yard
>(see http://www.cs.unm.edu/~mcdonoug), I would want to run off
>the highway too!

By heck, I've had a look and I would, too!

Our Australian goannas are quite as big!

Regards,

 Ron Beckett
 Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
 '87 Range Rover
 '71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 (See pix at  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html
 '67 Hillman Gazelle

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Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 19:10:58 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Series III

> Can anyone direct me in my search for a Series III 109 3 door with
> tropical roof?  I would prefer a petrol model that has been rebuilt using a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> condition then its rarity.  Is a Salisbury axle conversion common on IIA
> 109's?  I would be interested in such a vehicle also.

After the NADA 109s in '67 only 88s were exported to the US. Since SIIIs
are not yet 25 years old, the only SIII 109s legally in the US would be
any imported as grey-market vehicles prior to '91 or so.

An excellent source of information is the "Frequently Asked Questions"
at: http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/
For sale and wanted listings at "The Land Rover Exchange" at: 
http://www.lrx.com/
Also check with LR specialists who usually know of LRs for sale.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:13:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: First contact with strange life forms...

At 08:09 AM 2/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Re: 5-year-old:
>Do yourself a favor......don't.

Oh, I don't know...

>Speaking as one who tried that trick more than
> once, you'll either never get to pay attention to
> what's going on, or the 5-year-old will be driving
>off in someone's 88 when you're not paying
>attention.....8*)

Took my 2-yr-old niece to the LR photo shoot a week ago.   She had a blast.
She got to sit in Brad Blevins' Sagecoach and "drive" a "landwover".  She
got to play with (and keep -- I let it roll off the roof of Rachel's car and
busted the winch) one of my toy Land Rovers.  She got to meet lots of new
people; She had a blast.  Of course, she's completely LR crazy and always
wants to "see landwover?"  Her poor parents...  8^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:07:36 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: EPA answers?  HAH!

about a BMW diesel in a rover, Sandy Grice surmised:
 anything more complicated than dropping the damned thing in.  Then again,
> we're dealing with Auntie Rover with their legendary upper management....

that was commented on:
It's not quite that simple. Vehicles are "EPA-approved", powertrains are
not

and to muddle the picture more, I add:

Actually, it's not THAT simple. In California,  An ENGINE has to be EPA
approved to put in an emissions controlled automobile.  Emissions
controlled automobile being slang for a "car".  But that includes Land
Rovers and light trucks (which includes full size ford and chevy trucks)
but excludes BIG trucks and commercial delivery type trucks.  Thus, the
nissan diesel and iveco diesel and mitsubishi diesels are approved for
delivery trucks, but not for putting in your rover.  Important note:  just
because your car/truck/land rover doesn't need a smog certificate every two
years doesn't mean that you can LEGALLY put any engine you want into in.
You still are supposed to put in unapproved engines.  I have spoken to a
few LRNA folks and have yet to get anyone of them to say anything positive
about a diesel coming to the US.  OTOH, I have emailed with a man living in
the US who received a letter from solihull saying that LR (UK) was working
on a kit to put 300 tdis in discoveries and it would be ready in oct 1996.

Also, in speaking to CA officials, they don't know what engines are
approved! Don't know, can't tell. They fully expect that if I want to
change an engine, I will check with the manufacturer and get a letter
saying the engine is approved.

oh well.  That's all I know.

John F Hess                       1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 00:15:20 UT
From: "Charles F. Proctor" <CharlesFProctor@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Used Scotty's adaptor wanted

Call me with your tel # and when I speak to Robert Davis in VA next time , 
I'll ask him if he has one - I just sold one. Charlie 508-987-2626

----------
From: 	car4doc
Sent: 	Sunday, March 02, 1997 11:15 AM
Subject: 	Used Scotty's adaptor wanted

Hi All,
 I know that this is like looking for a used Overdrive.  However some
LR's go from modified back to stock.  Someone may have what I am looking
for.   I am looking for a used Scottys adaptor which would help my
project to install a larger engine on a budget.  If you have one please
let me know what you want for it off of the list. 

Thanks for the help. 
-- 
Rob Davis_chicago

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:05:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I HAVE HAD IT (valve removal)

THAT'S IT I'VE HAD IT!!!  

I have tried for a week to remove the old valves from the head.  The f***in'
inner collarette halves won't come free from the outer ring (little ring on
exhaust and big ring on the intake side).  I have tried carb cleaner, WD-40,
cleaning with petrol on a cloth....  tonight I tried compressing the spring
and tapping with a punch around the outer ring AND I ENDED UP BENDING MY
F***ING VALVE SPRING COMPRESSOR!  

I was about to cut the upper bits off with the reciprocating saw (how I spell
relief) when the thought of safety wear vaguely entered my mind.

Should I wear:
a. safety goggles
b. full face motorcycle helmet
c. kevlar vest
d. catcher's cup
e. all the above

Has anyone out there had to resort to this and is there all that much
pressure left on the valve springs?

Itchin' to pull the trigger...
Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:12:12 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Painting Birmabright

At  5:22 PM 3/3/97 +0000, Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod wrote:
>Is there any disadvantage to not painting the Birmabright and leaving it
>silver?

It does oxidize, and may get the white powder cancerous type oxidation.
You best bet is to go to your local FBO and get the silver metal finish
that they put on unpainted aluminum skinned aircraft.  It wil look good and
protect the metal.

>   I'm refurbishing my S1 and it looks so nice (the parts that
>have the paint off already) and also that way I don't have to commit to
>a colour!!!

You will need to keep paint on the bulkhead and breakfast.

>  Is it more likely to corrode without paint,

yes

>  And, if I do take off all the paint, can I damage the
>aluminum by taking it off woth a wire brush(on a drill)?

Yes.  The metal is very soft and you will be making deep scratches that can
not be covered over by paint.  You will ether need to sand off a lot of the
surface or or skim the body.

If your original paint is not too bad you do not want to remove it.  Its
tougher than any paint that you will replace it with and makes a good base
coat to be painted over.  I had to remove mine because there was a LOT of
bondo and in '81 someone walked the entire driver's side of my 109 with a
propane tourch while it was parked at work.

>Also, the top of the rad is a beautiful brass colour now that it's
>stripped down, and I'd like to leave it like that.......
>a colour!!!

Brass oxidises very quickly and looks bad.  Eastwood makes a clear paint
designed to go over polished metal.  It works very good in warm weather.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:12:36 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: IIA Panel Key Question

At  7:38 AM 2/25/97 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>Thanks TeriAnn.  Thought I was having a bad dream with that RN page.
>A second panel question.  The combo key/lamp switch is my favorite LR
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>sure the original key had more character.  Do you know what it looked
>like?  Was it solid brass? Where can I get the real McCoy?  Mark

Mine arre just rectangular handled plated brass.  I recently got new
tumblers with keys & they were the same basic type.
>PS. Have you ever drunk from the Lombardi Spring tap on Route 92
>near Half Moon Bay?
>part, but my key is a duplicate rustable steel "Curtis UN18" type.  I'm

No but I've passed it many a time

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 00:22:35 UT
From: "Charles F. Proctor" <CharlesFProctor@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Permission for posting

why not set up a special board for advertisements - I like them
also why not a board for D90/110 and another for RR and another for Series 
vehicles - I got 3689 unread messages in my computer - I will never read them. 
Charlie Proctor

----------
From: 	William Caloccia
Sent: 	Sunday, March 02, 1997 10:42 PM
Subject: 	RE: Permission for posting

To Gene Sparks:

	Please do NOT  post more info about your business to the list,
as if you do, then others will be obliged to, and that isn't the purpose
for this list. 

Please do feel free to include your return e-mail address (the last I 
have is "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com>) and the pointer to your
businesses web pages in your posts (last I have is:
www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm   ) both of which were missing from
your last message (It kind of defeats the purpose of a signature file to
have a bunch of garbage characters and not have the real goods - keep it 
simple :-)

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/
   R  1  3  2wd  H		  D
   +--|--|   o   |             L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L             |  2	    because
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: CB40 Highlander
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 16:33:00 EST

Below is the text of a news item in the latest issue of the Aussie mag 
"wheels"

Land Rover is joining the rapidly growing compact 4wd sector currently 
dominated
 by Toyota's RAV4 - with the launch of its new Highlander.  Codenamed CB40 
during
 development, Highlander will be launched to the world in July, reaching 
Australia
 in February 1998.  The five-door version is booked for Australian duty, but 
local
 execs are still weighing up the viability of the three-door model.  If it 
does
 come here, the removable hardtop and optional soft-top will help it compete
 against the image-is-all Wrangler.

The Highlander will be offered in a range of specifications with engines 
pulled
 from the Rover passenger car parts bin.  They include the 86kW 1.8 litre 
four,
 the 2.5 litre KV6 and a 2.0 litre diesel.
Land Rover say that price will not be a competing factor, meaning it will 
cost
 more than its competitors.  Instead heavy emphasis will be placed on
 technological advancement and a wealth of features over its rivals - which 
will
 include the all-new Mercedes-Benz M-class (formerly AAV) when it arrives in 
late
 1998.
Prices of the three-tiered model range should stretch from  A$40,000 to 
A$60,000

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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:16:54 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: "Iron Duke" A Worthy Choice?

At 07:47 AM 3/3/97 -500, you wrote:
>Is the "ron Duke" 4 cylinder engine a good replacement choice for a 
>109?  I believe this is a GM/Pontiac unit?  Given that lack of originality
>is not an issue, what other engines should I consider?  Mark  

I sure hope it is.  Scotty's putting one in my 109".  8^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:34:03 +0100 (MET)
From: Ketil Kirkerud <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Subject: Re: I HAVE HAD IT (valve removal)

   From: NADdMD@aol.com

   THAT'S IT I'VE HAD IT!!!  

   [tale about stubborn valves snipped ]

   I was about to cut the upper bits off with the reciprocating saw (how I spell
   relief) when the thought of safety wear vaguely entered my mind.

   Should I wear:
   a. safety goggles
   b. full face motorcycle helmet
   c. kevlar vest
   d. catcher's cup
   e. all the above

   Has anyone out there had to resort to this and is there all that much
   pressure left on the valve springs?

Yes, there is most probably a lot of pressure in the springs. Before you
try anything drastical - try this :

The first time i did my valves, they were extremely stubborn. The tip I got,
which worked very well, was to put the head on a table, with a piece of wood
(or similar) under the valve head. From the top, use a socket (I'd guess
that a 21mm or so is appropriate), and hit the socket with 
a good-sized hammer. This should loosen up the collets.

            ______
            |    |
            |    | <- socket
            ||  ||
            --  --
 
            --||--
              ||   <- top of valve
------------------------------

                             Cyl. head
         |-----------|
         |    ||     | 
         |  ------   | <- valve head
_________|  /----\   |______________
            \----/ <- piece of wood, to keep valve from moving.

Regards,

---Ketil Kirkerud (1979 109" SW, 21/4 Petrol)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: CB40 Highlander
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 8:50:18 GMT

So "Highlander" is now the official name for the CB40?

I wonder what that company in the UK that refurbishes (+adds options,trim,etc)
SIIIs will do. Its main product is called the "Highlander" and has Defender
style graphics saying so...

Richard

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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:01:27 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

Frank W.C. wrote:
> Ron,
>  Sorry to hear about the gun-grabbers in your nation. I guess it isn't the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> the drug crazed criminals like we have in Philadelphia. A virus?? I hope it
> never happens! For God's sake amd yours.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxREPLYxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Has happened. AIDS virus is there (and here) already, right? 
It has always been illegal in Aust to have pistols and fully automatics
and machine guns. (If I was a cynic, I would mention our guys being sent
to 'The Vietnam Problem' in '65 with WW2 rifles, and after a while being
given M-16A's by 173 Airborne...) What has changed is the disprepancys
between the 8 States different rules. EG when I brought a lever action
as a 18 year old that was Ok, the owner paid a licence fee, a single fee
even if you owned heaps of rifles.. When I moved interstate I had to
register the rifles numbers, not me. The massacre person used a totally
illegal semi auto mil cal assault weapon, unregistered, costing AUD4000+
. So now they're coordinating the states laws, no more semis period- not
BB, not .22, not shotgun, etc. Bolts and levers are okay and so are
leveraction .357 carbines etc. So are leverd shotguns and pumps. 
On the subject of deadly weapons, I have seen vehicles on the road so
full of rust (hack TLC's, Nissans et al) and so vague and brakeless
(hack Landies) that they're rolling massacre material. Same problem
between states: in Queensland I am sure Iron oxide chassis etc is legal,
while in the ACT (similar to D.C.) vehicle inspection is chapter and
verse. In all states Volvo cars are unsanctioned at all, so excitement
abounds.
All the above is standard fare for our 'Sickty Minutes' TV shows which
run all the above stories endlessly. 
Seriously though, they should confiscate all the guns and issue shining
Penn Game fishing reels or outboards or something. 

Ross, in The United States Of Australia.
PS New Land-Rover SWB canvas for sale.

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