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From: us000669@mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:13:14 -0800
Subject: Re: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert

This is an internet myth. The virus doesn't exist.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:09:00 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers In US Market

At 23:53 97-02-26 -0500, Erik wrote:

>Land Rover had the U.S. product they needed in 1971!  The Range Rover.  From 
>what I understand, much of the concept for the vehicle was derived from the 
-contemporary Bronco.  The Rangie was simple, rugged, had the power and higher 
>level of comfort to compete with American Iron, but was never introduced into 
>the country until it became a luxury vehicle.  

I think that there was plans for the Rangie to come in 1972. I have some
brochures for 1972 Range Rovers that came from a dealer. Now, why would they
have the brochures and not the vehicles? Somebody along the way must have
decided to drop the US market.

Does anyone know if there ever was a Range Rover imported in Canada in 1972.
Because of the brochures, I would think that there was at least one. Is it a
myth? If I ever stumble on that rare Rover, I will certainly call it "Ness"
or "Nessie" as in the Scottish giant fish...

_____._.__/^ ________ (Attempt to draw Nessie)

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:32:58 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Cheap RR in Montreal? (Was: Land Rovers in US market)

At 18:16 97-02-26 -0800, Uncle Roger (which has a secret admirer in
Australia) wrote:

->more than two years. After that, it goes back to the dealer which will end
>>up sold at an auction for 20,000$. RR owners (and maybe Disco, time will
-Are you saying I could pick up a 2 yr old RR in Montreal for C$20K?  That
>might be worth a flight out that way!  
-

There is just about no resale value for used Range Rovers in Montreal. There
is only one dealer, the closest dealers are Quebec and Ottawa, and this
particular dealer doesn't have a good reputation. There is a lot of money in
the Westmount area and high-class type are not allowed to have a three-four
year old vehicle according to their rules of etiquette. The demand for a
used Range Rover is close to nil. You can buy a brand new Cherokee for the
price of a used Range Rover. Why would a customer risk huge payments on a
out-of-warranty-car with expensive parts that you can't buy anywhere? 

A study was made in Montreal for the Range Rover 80% of its owners are
women, the vehicles very seldom go off-road (is dirt-road off-road?) and are
appreciated for their great visibility since the vehicle sit so high.

I would say that 1 Quebecker out of 2 likes fishing, hunting, or just plain
camping in the boonies. With so much green space with gazillion of lakes and
forests out there, it is not surprising. There is some towns who have more
ATV and skidoos than licensed vehicles. In the back-country, you need a
vehicle that has easy to find parts, which is not the case with the Range
Rover. It's a great vehicle, but customers want the freedom and piece of
mind that an american product will offer. I bought a Ser III from a guy who
used to go hunting and fishing a lot (It had bearpaws and moose prints all
over the vehicle). He used his Ford pickup to flat-tow it for 300 miles than
he would use the landie to play around.

The 20,000 Range Rovers are bought at auctions, not at the used car dealers
or at the LR dealers. Theses vehicles have 2 to 4 years of use, but the
warranty is always expired. These auctions are attended by used car
retailers and such. When they see a Range Rover come by, (which you can't
test-drive) they don't bid on them, since they have no idea if it's a lemon
or a perfect vehicle. The demand for those is also almost inexistant. 

So, to answer your question, yes, you can find one, but, you can't really
plan in advance when you will find it. You have to be there when the Rangie
goes by... Also, I don't know if you could bring a two-year-old Rangie in
the States...

I could try to find a listing of the Rangies that were sold at the auctions
with prices, etc, if you are interested. 

Salutations, 

BTW, if you need parts for a Range rover, you know where to get them...:-)
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:34:25 +0000
Subject: Re: headlights

>>Re: 80 bucks a pair for halogens:
>On any non-military Rover I've ever seen, they run standard 7" round
>bulbs.  These can be replaced easily with either sealed beams as Al
>suggests (non-halogen versions probably stock) or you can go with an

....and you can pay 50quid for a Landrover one in The Official Box, or 
8 quid for a Mini one in a Uniprat box............

>:-[

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:30:38 +0000
Subject: Re: PAP

> > Hello all... Just had an idea, Would PAP (Perforated Aluminum Plate) be
> > a good roof rack floor material? Seems that if you're going to carry it
> > around with you that maybe you should use it for something useful, no?

> Execpt that every time you became stuck you would have to unpack the roof
> rack.  

Yes, very tedious. But since we are on the subject of roof racks and 
aluminium; - i have a 3/4 length roof rack for my 109 and it's quite 
heavy to put on and take off. Also the weight could be used on cargo  
instead. You could build a rack with aluminium square tube (20 x 20 
mm), reinforce all T-assemblies with triangular alu plate. Use an alu 
floor plate or perforated (small holes) plate to cover the traverse 
tubes covering the whole square. Pop rivet every 100 mm. This plate 
will prevent the construction from skewing. I think that this would 
be just as strong as a steel construction with only traverse bars 
with nothing to fix them. And much lighter. For even higher capacity, 
reinforce the roof with same type tube right behind the front seats 
and at the back. Make two pairs of strong triangles that clamps to 
the edge where the roof meets the sides and bolts to the floor.

-|\                 /|- < clamp
 | \               / |
 |  \             /  |
 |___\           /___|
      \         /
       \___|___/

           ^
          bolt

Comments/improvements anyone?.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Subject: Land Rover 50th 1998
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 16:44:06 -0500
From: Trevor <trevorm@VECTOR.CO.ZA>

-- [ From: Trevor * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Dear Sir

A contingent of fifteen Land Rovers is going to drive from SA to the UK in
1998. The idea is to arrive in the UK for Land Rovers 50th anniversary.

To date we have not been able to establish an exact day for the big bash.
Can you please furnish me with any available information.

Trevor Mooi
Tel: SA 	011 315-4330
Fax:	011 315-4349 
Email:  trevorm@vector.co.za

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 9:55:51 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: First contact with strange life forms...

Baltimore/Washington area Land Rover owners that is....
OK here we go. The first official meeting of the local owners group will 
be at a place called Flaps Rickenbacker in Potomac Village, MD. Very easy 
to find, it's at the intersection of Falls Road and River Road in a 
shopping center with a Safeway.Take the River Road exit from I-495 
towards Potomac and follow River to the shopping center, which will be on 
your left. Admittedly, it's a fair drive for those on the eastern side of 
DC, but it's not too far off the beltway and this was a consideration 
when choosing the location. It is hoped that future meetings will be held 
in the outdoors where we can be more or less unencumbered by seating 
arrangements and such, and possibly be more convenient for all.
Topics to be covered this time 'round will be:
	Event planning
	Organizational setup
	Mailing list management
	Flyers
	Newsletter
	Grip & grin session
Allright, so it's mainly boring stuff. As with any great enterprise, the 
devil is in the details. Hopefully with enough people and enthusiasm, we 
muddle through this aspect and next time we'll get on with the serious 
business of having fun.
	
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:11:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: First contact with strange life forms...

In a message dated 97-02-27 10:05:30 EST, you write:

<< Baltimore/Washington area Land Rover owners that is....
 OK here we go. The first official meeting of the local owners group will 
 be at a place called Flaps Rickenbacker in Potomac Village, MD. Very easy 
 to find, it's at the intersection of Falls Road and River Road in a 
 shopping center with a Safeway.Take the River Road exit from I-495 
 towards Potomac and follow River to the shopping center, which will be on 
 your left >>
 

How about from up North?  How is it located in regards to Rt 29 etc.?

Nate

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:34:33 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Oh yeah,...the time

3:00 pm

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:50:18 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert

snip
> http://www.mcafee.com/support/techdocs/vinfo/share.html
snip
It's actually at:
http://www.mcafee.com/support/techdocs/vinfo/v3333.html

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:54:34 -6
Subject: Re: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert

> This is an internet myth. The virus doesn't exist.

You mean McAfee's been had?

it's actually called Sharefun.A, according to McAfee's web site. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:02:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers In US Market

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> Does anyone know if there ever was a Range Rover imported in Canada in 1972.
> Because of the brochures, I would think that there was at least one. Is it a
> myth? If I ever stumble on that rare Rover, I will certainly call it "Ness"
> or "Nessie" as in the Scottish giant fish...

	Pritchard in Hallsville owns it...  There is a second in Alberta
	I believe.  Sold via the dealer.  A 70 or 71 though...  Could
	have bought it a couple years ago.  He wants to keep it now.
	May have been more.  Rememebr seein a green RR in the townships
	back before they were imported into the USA.  Lac Brome area
	(of course)  Early two door too...

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:20:00 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Convoy lights & dead batteries

Hi all,
Franz reported trouble of `switching though' to convoy position,. Rather
tahn remove the convoy light bulb, just put a piece of reflective tape on
the switch then you can see at a glance that it is vertical  ie truly off.
On fitting Halogens, its great..For the first time  I could see further
than my stopping distance at over 15mph. if in doubt, fit em.
Cheers 
Mike Gaines     

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: shake and shimmy
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:27:23 -0800

You said:
From: Clare & Lee Dunkelber 
Subject: Shake and Shimmy (noncommercial)
 
.Just got a '91 Range Rover.  Now that I've got it home, I notice a shake
and a shimmy in the steering, but mostly only between 63-67 mph.   It comes
and goes fom quiet ride, back to quiet ride.

Hi,
One thing not mentioned is the way most tire shops do the balance.
This sounds like it could be a balance problem.
So I'll mention this:
Go to the tire shop and ask them to mount the wheels on the balancing
machine with the lug bolt mounting adaptor. Not by the center hole of the
wheel.They usually use a cone shaped thing to hold the wheel on the
balancer, and this is not accurate enough fore some wheels.
Just is quicker and easier for them.
The lug adaptor takes some more time am\nd effort, but makes a world of
difference.

Regards,
Bob Bernard

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Rough Engine Def-90
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 8:35:53 PST

Thanks for the info on the timing marks. I mis-read the 12 degree marks as
1/2.

The reason I was doing the timing, is that my Defender has been running 
rough, especially when cold, when first started it will hesitate on accel,
and even when the engine is hot, it seems to idle a little rough. I have done
all the service myself, replaced the rotor, distributor cap, spark plugs
and wires, and it still runs rough, any advise?

I started to think that maybe I am just imgaine things and it always ran 
rough when the engine was cold (I have 34,000 miles now), but I cannot 
remmeber back that far.

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Def-90

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:23:01 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert

> This is an internet myth. The virus doesn't exist.

You can read about this "myth" at:
http://www.f-prot.com/v-descs/sharefun.htm
and at:
http://www.mcafee.com/support/techdocs/vinfo/v3333.html

Doesn't sound like a myth to me.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:59:52 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes@olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Rough Engine Def-90

At 08:35 27-02-97 PST, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info on the timing marks. I mis-read the 12 degree marks as
>1/2.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>roys@cup.hp.com
>1994 Def-90

I'm not familiar with your engine but being as new as it is, it probably
has a mile of vacuum hoses. Check for a vacuum leaks and replace any hose
that looks old dry etc.

Regards,
-jj

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:14:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Lovedu

	For those who remember the GNN web site serie4s on Muggleton and his
	lady photographer friend travelling down through Africa in search
	of Lovedu...  The place exists...

THE Rain Queen is fighting to keep her status as one of Africa's most
mystical figures as new generations of school leavers think that they know
better than their elders.

DRAPED in a cheap, patterned towel and a tartan blanket, the dumpy old
woman outside the royal audience chamber could have been the cleaner
taking a break. 

 It was only when my guide coughed that I realised I was in the presence
of Modjadji, the legendary "She who must be obeyed". The "Mountains of
Modjadji" 250 miles north-east of Johannesburg, for two centuries have
been home to a dynasty of queens whose f abled rain-making powers have
inspired fear throughout the continent. 

 As the cult grew, the Rain Queen withdrew from public view and rumours of
immortality - and fair-skinned beauty - spread. It was on this figure that
Sir Henry Rider Haggard, the Victorian author based his novel She.

 Even Shaka, the Zulu warrior king who laid waste much of southern Africa
in the early 19th century, left the Rain Queen and her tiny Lovedu tribe
well alone. 

 Closeted in the royal village on the edge of a cycad forest the Rain
Queen is worshipped as a demi-god. Each spring she prays to her ancestors
and beats the sacred drums to hasten or withhold rain. But the progressive
ethos sweeping Africa threatens the beliefs on which her worship depends. 

 It is already whispered that Modjadji V who was crowned in 1982 after her
mother's death, may be the last of her line to be "obeyed". Eric
Morwasehla, 37, a relative who lives in the royal village, said: "This new
generation coming from school think they know better than their elders.
They say now I have a degree, I don't want to listen."

 Jurgen Witt, a German anthropologist, known as the queen's "white
brother", said: "Since the last century first white missionaries and then
the traders have been undermining traditional ways. 

 "The world is divided between those who believe and those who know. Here
she is still held as a divine queen. But time is running out. There are
few people left who understand the tribal history."

 The mores of the royal kraal have changed little since Rider Haggard's
day. The elders speak a court language. Subjects enter her presence on
their knees. I, like all strangers, had to leave my shoes at the perimeter
palisade of wooden staves. 

 Victor Modjadji, my guide, directed me to the verandah of a
colonial-style bungalow. It was there that I saw Modjadji huddled on a
turquoise mat, lacking the least aura of power. It was a sign of the times
that she even agreed to see me. But she did not mask her indifference to
my questions. She stared at the ground throughout the interview. 

 She insisted on an interpreter even though she understands English. The
price of a photograph had to be negotiated before we could begin. She only
looked up when asked about the new order which she clearly distrusts.

 "I don't remember a thing about his visit," she said of Nelson Mandela
who paid a call before the April 1994 election. "I don't know a thing
about him. I just ask you white people if his government is doing all
right." 

 Local people say that far from welcoming Mr Mandela, as the African
National Congress claimed, she turned her back on him and refused to
endorse his campaign. Part of her disquiet may stem from the ANC's
revolutionary water policies which have seen 750,0 00 people supplied
since the election. For one whose importance wanes as rivers rise, this is
not good news. 

 But the ANC's real crime in Modjadji's eyes is the mobilisation of young
people against the authorities in the Eighties. "These boys nowadays don't
want to listen. They just want to do their own thing."

 When a group of ANC youths agitated in her region, she chased them away
with a whip. But with respect dwindling, some of the tribal elders concede
they may have to lessen the mystique if the institution is to survive.

 "They see tourists driving past to the cycad forest and realise they are
missing out," said Guy Matthews, the manager of a local country house
hotel. 

 Eyes are now turning to Modjadji's teenage grand-daughter, Makobo, the
next in line following the recent death of her mother from cancer. She
would be only the sixth Modjadji in about 200 years - her grandmother
ruled from 1896 to 1959.

 In a school-leavers' debate at the local high school four out of five
pupils seemed to doubt she could win their respect. And yet they chorused
that they would go down on their knees if they were to meet the queen. "We
have to show respect," they explain ed. Maybe "She" will be obeyed a
little longer - particularly if the rains fail.

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From: Michael Slade <Slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: Lovedu
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:40:09 -0800

Dixon reminds us...

>	For those who remember the GNN web site serie4s on Muggleton and his
>	lady photographer friend travelling down through Africa in search
>	of Lovedu...  The place exists...

So, what is that address again???

Michael Slade
Portland, OR
slade@imagina.com
'70 109 SW

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:39:44 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: First contact with strange life forms...

What an imbecile!!
Uh for those paying attention still...that's this saturday at 3:00 in 
Potomac at Flaps Rickenbacker.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:47:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Lovedu

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Michael Slade wrote:

> So, what is that address again???

	It was - 

	http://gnn-e2a.gnn.com/gnn/meta/travel/features/lovedu/index.html 

	No respose from the site here, but we are having DNS problems.

	Didn't this chap recently write an article in LRO? about this
	journey, but seemed to forget about his companion...

	Hazy...

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 14:09:08 EST
Subject: Re[2]: First contact with strange life forms...

How about from up North?  How is it located in regards to Rt 29 etc.?

Nate

Nate, take RT 29 south to the DC beltway if you like. Its a nice drive, 
should take you about an hour or more if you tkae your time. Id guess 95 
would faster though. 
The exit is just north of where the beltway crosses over into VA.
See you there!

Dave

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:24:38 -0500 (EST)
From: cbemail@mindspring.com (Christopher Buckley)
Subject: Unsubscribing for a few days . . .

Hi.  I'm unsubscribing whilst I switch coasts: trading Connecticut for
California.  I know I don't say much in here, but I read just about
everything.

Catch up with the list soon,

Rover On!

OK,

CIB

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:59:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Peking to Paris...

Ok folks...especially those in the UK, I have a question:

Yesterday, an aquaintance phoned and told us about a Peking to Paris rally that 
would take place this fall.  The organizers go by the name of "Classic Rally 
Association" in Oxfordshire.  Does anyone know of these folks?  Anyone know of 
the rally?

Should the logistics turn out satisfactory, my father is planning on running his 
'59 SII Station wagon.  It has already been kitted out for expedition travel 
(see my homepage below) and would be one of two Rovers in the event.

Sooooo....we're looking for sponsors.  The overall bill for the trip (including 
fuel, room, and board is VERY steep.  If your company or organization would like 
to get some great PR, we'll be glad to provide it.  We're not looking for a free 
ride, just something to help take the sting out of such a voyage.  Please 
contact me directly if you're interested.

Any help would be appreciated....

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:12:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Pansy's 2nd owner, Fred Lawrence obit

Fred Lawrence, retired Secret Service agent and former LRO, died Monday of a
heart attack at home. He sold me Pansy in '92 and retired from SS in '94.
He had bought it from a farmer in Newnan, who had painted it tan to match the
rest of the equipment on his place. This was the kind of guy who calls a farm
'muh place'. As in "Y'all come own out sometime and see muh place!! Tell yuh
mamma Ah sed Haah." And refers to all his hands (of whatever race) as 'muh
boys'. A little southern lingo there. But I digress.
Pansy still has the dents in the front wings where his boys let it coast into
a fence. Parking brake needed adjustment, no doubt.
Fred became impressed with LRs when he saw the Egyptian army using them while
over there protecting the president, during the Camp David Accords
negotiations. He took the truck to VA where he was stationed in the late
seventies and drove it some there, but never did much maintenance. When he
returned to Georgia in the mid '80s he had it trucked to his home in
Marietta. It sat in his driveway for several years before I saw it and made
him an offer he could live with. I'd hate to think what if he hadn't liked my
offer. He answered to door that day with a Glock behind his back. The way he
was holding it, I don't think he had been cleaning it, when the doorbell
rang. His boys were sorry to see it go. They thought it was a swell fort.
You can go anywhere in your world in a LR that doesn't run and needs all
hydraulics, if you're an imaginative child.

If anyone on the list knew Fred while he was in VA. Drop me a note. I'm
keeping a file on the people associated with Pansy. I'd like to find out who
the farmer was, too.

John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!!   

 

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:25:15 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Pansy's 2nd owner, Fred Lawrence obit

John Dillingham writes of a retired Secret Service agent:
> Fred became impressed with LRs when he saw the Egyptian army using them while
> over there protecting the president, during the Camp David Accords
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> returned to Georgia in the mid '80s he had it trucked to his home in
> Marietta

In '93 we looked at a tan SIII for sale in Hollanc, Michigan at Alan
Christian Motors. The srory was that it a (the) previous owner was a
Secret Service agent who had been impressed by LRs while on the
presidential detail overseas. The most notable feature was a small
"tool" box in front of the rad panel between the frame rails in place of
the valence panel. It looked like a commercial unit but I haven't seen
another. We didn't buy it do to a combination of price, worn gearbox, PO
mods and several other problems as well as dealer more intent on selling
a Jag XK150. Anyway, how many other LRs were formerly owned by Secret
Service agents?

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:26:47 -0500
From: "J.L. and D.E. Renken" <renken@compuserve.com>
Subject: Importing Vehicles

MANNHEIM, Germany (Feb. 10, 1997) -- The Department of Transportation has
released the 1997 list of registered importers who convert nonconforming
motor vehicles to U.S. specifications.  The list names 13 companies from
all areas of the United States and is available [from the Department of
Transportation].
 
Nonconforming vehicles are those made after U.S. standards came into effect
but that have no DOT and Environmental Protection Agency certification
labels.  Before importing one of these vehicles, shippers must sign a
contract with a registered importer who must certify in advance that the
vehicle model is convertible. 
 
The vehicles must also be entered under a bond for one-and-a-half times
their dutiable value.  Vehicles made before U.S. standards came into effect
do not need conversion but must be imported by a registered importer.
Vehicles with U.S. certification labels need neither conversion nor a
registered importer. 
 
"Federal authorities waive U.S. safety, bumper and theft prevention
standards when motorcycles and other vehicles are over 25 years old," said
Norman Kaucher, program
manager of the European Command's Customs Executive Agency.  He added that
emission conversions are not necessary for: 

        Gasoline-fueled cars and light trucks made before Jan. 1, 1968. 
        Diesel cars assembled before Jan. 1, 1975.
        Diesel light trucks built before Jan. 1, 1976...

Registered importers are independent businesses that the DOT neither
endorses nor recommends. They select only the work they want to do.  Get
the "Importing a Car" pamphlet from [the Department of Transportation] for
more information on shipping vehicles to the United States.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:49:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover  History in US

It is satisfying to have seen so many eloquent and thoughtful responses to
my comments on Land Rover's US marketing history.  Do the marketing wallahs
in Solihull read this list?

The verdict of list jurors is that even today LR is not treating the US
market seriously.  It seems they are completely ignoring major US market
segments.  Wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy a NAS 110 pickup or
hardtop?

It is not clear whether bone headed decisions and corporate stupidity were
just the way things were done at British (expletive deleted) Leyland, or
whether this was a traditional british way of doing things.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:26:42 -0800
From: con & greg <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers In US Market

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Michel Bertrand wrote:
> > Does anyone know if there ever was a Range Rover imported in Canada in 1972.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>         May have been more.  Rememebr seein a green RR in the townships
>         back before they were imported into the USA.  Lac Brome area
>         (of course)  Early two door too...  

          There is also anold beastie that I saw about a year ago in 
Halifax Nova Scotia. It was in real bad shape, dash broke, windscreen 
broke, seats torn etc. The only thing I couldn't find was a few bullet 
holes in it. I asked the then keeper if he was gonna fix it (har har) and 
his reply was nope, gonna sell that thing, cheap too. So I pretended not 
to be eager, ( I wasn't ) and we made a deal for $300. Monday rolls 
around and I appear with the money. Keeper says he was talking to a bunch 
of guys ( probably the ones that wrecked it ) and they says it's a Land 
Rover, you know, a LAND ROVER! by gosh. Gotta have 2500.00 for it now. 
Well hold that thought I tell him as I left with my money!

Regards, Con Seitl

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:33:14 -0500
From: Douglas and Leslie Boehme <SCHAILEY-BOEHME@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Rough Engine Def-90

Leland J Roys wrote:
> Thanks for the info on the timing marks. I mis-read the 12 degree marks as
> 1/2.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> roys@cup.hp.com
> 1994 Def-90Mine has always hesitated when first starting out when cold, but as it 
warms up, everything is okay.  Also, it does run more "rough" in the 
winter.
Douglas Boeheme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: "KMCO" <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET>
Subject: Fw: coil springs
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:37:44 -0500

----------
> From: KMCO <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET>
> To: all <Iro@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> miles and excellent running gear but a rotten frame.  I've patched the
> frames on several of my other LRs but I'd like to do this one right.  I
got
> some info from East Coast Rover and it looks like a good way to go.  Any
> thoughts?
> Neal

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From: "KMCO" <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:43:08 -0500

Would like to talk to someone with experience in conv. Series LR to coil
springs.
Neal

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:05:22 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert

At 12:33 PM 2/27/97 EST, you wrote:

>Please note - new Word 6  virus alert.

Just a suggestion on how to handle these sorts of things...

If you have verified the virus/request for e-mail/etc. *personally*, forward
a *brief* (1-2 lines) description and the *appropriate URL* where folks can
get more info.  

Those that are concerned can then do the research for themselves, verifying
the problem, and those that are not will be spared having to download long,
non-LR, irrelevant messages.

If you have not *personally* verified the problem with a reputable source
(such as McAfee), do *not* send it to the list.  If you must tell someone,
send it to a (as in *one*) knowledgeable friend who can verify its veracity.

>http://www.mcafee.com/support/techdocs/vinfo/share.html

URL's like this allow folks to check it out for themselves, rather than just
deleting it and saying to themselves, "here's another newbie what fell for
the Good Times virus."

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:45:26 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Importing Vehicles

> MANNHEIM, Germany (Feb. 10, 1997).....
> Nonconforming vehicles are those made after U.S. standards came into effect
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> contract with a registered importer who must certify in advance that the
> vehicle model is convertible.

Don't get your hopes up about that 101 or 110. The registered importer
has to persuade the DOT that the vehicle can be modified to conform to
all applicable safety regs.
 
> Vehicles made before U.S. standards came into effect
> do not need conversion but must be imported by a registered importer.

FALSE: Vehicles over 25 years old don't need conversion, and can be
imported by anyone prepared to deal with Customs.

> Vehicles with U.S. certification labels need neither conversion nor a
> registered importer. 

Only if all relevent equipment is installed and working.
 
> "Federal authorities waive U.S. safety, bumper and theft prevention
> standards when motorcycles and other vehicles are over 25 years old," said
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>         Diesel cars assembled before Jan. 1, 1975.
>         Diesel light trucks built before Jan. 1, 1976...

The EPA virtually always grants emission waivers for vehicles qualifying
for the 25 year old rule. 

> Registered importers are independent businesses that the DOT neither
> endorses nor recommends. They select only the work they want to do.  Get
> the "Importing a Car" pamphlet from [the Department of Transportation] for
> more information on shipping vehicles to the United States.

Or check the LR FAQ, Part V at: http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/ for an
excellent discussion by Bill C.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:56:50 -0800 (PST)
From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

Dear Tony, 

What is (Au) $45,000 compared to (USA)$ 45,000? Maybe the difference will
make me an emigrant! I love Land Rovers - and hunting. What do you hunt for
in Au? I think you don't have miserable snow, ice, and salt covered roads
which eat the LR undercarriages.  I always hosed my '88' so it's OK
bodywise. What's new in beautiful Australia?

Good day,
Frank

>>Why can't I buy a LR like my father's 88?  My "sport utility vehicle"

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>I have seen).
>BUT - they still cost AU$45,000 !
>Cheers. Tony.

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Subject: Rebuilding Gauges 
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 22:04:03 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

Can anyone supply me with the name/address/phone number of a workshop or 
company that rebuilds our original rover guages?  I know that there is 
probably a place or two in the U.K., and I may have to resort to this, 
although I'd like to find someone in the U.S. so as stay away from 
overseas shipping and customs problems.

I have removed the old guages from the dash and while they are out I plan 
to replace the wiring harness in the rover.  Mine is a '65 88" Diesel.  
Any tips as to the best source for a complete new harness?  I'd like to 
keep as close to original as possible, as this is the theme of my whole 
restoration.

Thanks-

Keith

Keith W. Cooper,MD
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
*            Dept. of Family and Community Medicine - UAMS              *
*           co-founder -   "Arkansas Land Rover Association"            *
*                 1965 Series IIA 88" Diesel - "Buford"                 *
*                          1996 Discovery SE                            *
*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:12:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Gauges 

Try a company called...

Nisonger
Mamaroneck, NY

I don't have the number here but they're in Hemmings under Triumph.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ASFCO@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Gauges 
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:15:08 +0000

At 04:04 AM 2/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone supply me with the name/address/phone number of a workshop or 
>company that rebuilds our original rover guages?  >*            

Contact....

Nisonger Gauge repair
Bob Castagnetta
570 Mamaroneck Ave
Mamaroneck, NY  10543
914-381-1952

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>Can anyone supply me with the name/address/phone number of a workshop or 
>company that rebuilds our original rover guages?  >*            
Rgds
Steve Bradke       96 Discovery
WA2GMC             72 S lll 88 (For Sale)
                   68 S lla 88                 

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:44:17 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

>What is (Au) $45,000 compared to (USA)$ 45,000? Maybe the difference will
>make me an emigrant! I love Land Rovers - and hunting. What do you hunt for
>in Au? I think you don't have miserable snow, ice, and salt covered roads
>which eat the LR undercarriages.  I always hosed my '88' so it's OK
>bodywise. What's new in beautiful Australia?

At today's exchange rate this is US$35k.  For a basic 110 Tdi hardtop.
How does this compare to the US?

Not into hunting myself; there are plenty of feral species here such as rabbits,
donkeys, goats and pigs which station owners would probably be happy to let
you hunt, as long as you didn't shoot their cattle/sheep/station hands. 8->

Not sure if you need a licence. Anyone in Oz know?

Vehicles in Western Australia, which has a generally dry climate, stand up
pretty
well to the rigours of time.  The only rust I have encountered in my LR
ownership
has been in door frames.

Cheers.  Tony.

****************************************************************************
*****

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Ice Bird became like a ghost ship. The freezing fog sheathed her rigging with 
ice; her decks grew ice glazed, and murderously slippery.  Though the
conditions 
had assumed a kind of fantasy nightmare quality, the peril was all too real"
- Captain David Lewis, 1975

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer,  approx 3000000 AD

****************************************************************************
******

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:53:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: Leaking !!!!!!!

My Truck has sprang a leak in the diesel pump.  According to my diagnostings the 
pump has corroded and a hole has developed in the body of the pump.  It is 
spitting diesel more than it is pumping to the engine!!! (I thought that the 
truck was consuming too much juice!!!).  Now it will be stopped for repaires at 
my local mechanic.  Also a complete service will be given as also some 
maintenance on the radiator.

Geoffrey

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Leaking !!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:11:45 +0100 (MET)

Geoffrey,
| My Truck has sprang a leak in the diesel pump.  According to my diagnostings the 
| pump has corroded and a hole has developed in the body of the pump.  It is 
| spitting diesel more than it is pumping to the engine!!! (I thought that the 
| truck was consuming too much juice!!!).  Now it will be stopped for repaires at 
| my local mechanic.
Repairing the diesel pump is just an easy 1 hour job (I assume you have either 
a 2.3l or a 2.5l engine). No need to see the LR doctor. Just buy a overhaul 
kit (cheap) and go for it. 
What you tell sounds like a leaky diaphragm. This would cause diesel to leak 
out of the drainhole at the bottom.
Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:00:05 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: No L-R content: ATTN. all Oz subscribers

Firstly, apologies to all the list subscribers who will find this a
complete waste of bandwidth, but in light of the recent bantering,
carping and whinging this is but a minor transgression. Cricket is the
only true sport for Landy owners (both came from England, both appear
slow and uninteresting from the outside, but are charged with excitement
and suspense once you become involved), so, with your pardon, I'll
continue...

We are now at 1 hour before first ball in a momentous Southern
Hemisherical contest, and there are a few things I feel ned to be said
to our Antipodian neighbours:

Sorry.

Sorry that the sledging standard has slipped so horrifically (Ian Healy
was spotted SMILING at Brian McMillan at Newlands the other day - this
will not do!),

Sorry that Shaney is gonna get his clock cleaned.

Sorry that Daryl Cullinan is about to ruin Glenn McGraths bowling
figures.

Sorry that Allan Donald will re-arrange Mickey Slaters furniture before
he has a chance to get his eye in. BTW Allan has been engaging in some
serious warming up as regards sledging himself (there are rumours that
some of the words deployed against Rahul Dravid are actually covered by
the Official Secrets Act).

This all being said, may the best side win, and even if we don't I'm
sure we would have if only the umpires weren't
blind/incompetent/bought-and-paid-for (delete whichever is not
applicable).

Good luck Oz!

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Convoy lights & dead batteries
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:51:05 +0100 (MET)

Hi Mike,
| Franz reported trouble of `switching though' to convoy position,. Rather
| tahn remove the convoy light bulb, just put a piece of reflective tape on
| the switch then you can see at a glance that it is vertical  ie truly off.
Err! I already painted a white dash on it. But I was somewhat tired when it
all happend and just didn't look. But why not taking the convoy bulb out.
I have no use for the light anyway and if I ever have, I can put it back.

| On fitting Halogens, its great..For the first time  I could see further
| than my stopping distance at over 15mph. if in doubt, fit em.
Did it, too. Mike's 200% right. Now I really can see something at night.

Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:59:56 +0000
Subject: Re: No L-R content: ATTN. all Oz subscribers

 
> Firstly, apologies to all the list subscribers who will find this a
> complete waste of bandwidth, but in light of the recent bantering,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> and suspense once you become involved), so, with your pardon, I'll
> continue...

Hear hear.....

Shaun Fisher

S IIA BOOZMOBILE

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:00:04 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Convoy lights & dead batteries

Franz Parzefall wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> | Franz reported trouble of `switching though' to convoy position,. Rather
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
>       [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
>  ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-

Yup, me too (or is that three!).

I replaced my IIA's headlights with semi-sealed beams (much cheaper tham
sealed beams to replace when the stones smash the lenses). I'm also in
the process of re-wiring the truck with 7-core throughout - ripping out
the old harness and the convoy lights 'cos the wiring's complicated
enough without a duplicate set of wires to short out.

The nice thing about the semi-sealed beams is that you can change bulbs
for better illumination (from about 55W bulbs right up to 130W muthas)
and it costs next to nothing.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:03:13 +0100
From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid)
Subject: Buy 110 V8 1987?

A friend of mine are going to buy an 1987 110 3,5 V8 to day. We have 
test-drive this car for a few days now and find it OK. There is one thing we 
will like to ask you specialist about.: There is an noise in every gear 
except the 4. This nosy is when we are driving. Is this normally or most we 
cheek it out. The dealer says that it is normal.

Hope someone can help

Regards Bengt

Norway 

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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:16:33 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Buy 110 V8 1987?

>A friend of mine are going to buy an 1987 110 3,5 V8 to day. We have 
>test-drive this car for a few days now and find it OK. There is one thing we 
>will like to ask you specialist about.: There is an noise in every gear 
>except the 4. This nosy is when we are driving. Is this normally or most we 
>cheek it out. The dealer says that it is normal.

Bengt,

this noise probably mean that the layshaft bearings in the gearbox are worn.
This is a very common problem with the LT95 box, and mine had the same noise 
when I bought it. I used it as a bargaining point to get the dealer to reduce 
the price.  I drove it for two years and 60000km before I has the box rebuilt. 
The bearings are relatively cheap to fix, apart from the work involved in
removing the gearbox.

Cheers  Tony.

****************************************************************************
*****

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer.

****************************************************************************
******

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Gearbox synchros
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 11:32:47 GMT

Payday today, so I'm about to order the remaining bits for the gearbox...

So far, i've bought stuff off Forest Land Rovers/Ian Robinson (cf. uk-lro
list). He recommended changing synchros to (apparently they do when they're
rebuilding their boxes).

Should I? Or, more to the point, how do I assess wear on the synchros?
Synchros aren't cheap, so I'd prefer not to buy them (and I'm not full
of money - requires various shafts,etc... [+new insurance, contact lenses,etc])

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Silly Question (aero-engines)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 11:41:10 GMT

Silly question time!  :-)

Its been said that every engine has been put in a Land Rover, and there are
a number of more unusual powerplants that have been tried.

How come we don't see aeroengine conversions? Other than the obvious
lack of fuel economy [since when has that stopped someone?] and the fact
that a Merlin or Griffin would probably eat the seemingly indestructible
Salisbury in no time [along with any attempt at a gearbox]?

Taking the Merlin or Griffin example, then the value of such historic stock
is such that I doubt anyone would let you do it [unless it was in a Dormobile
or 1948 Series I  :-) ].

Richard (private email: redbaron@cix ...)

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