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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:56:33 -500
Subject: Grease Revisited

Last week, we covered dielectric grease and red rubber grease.
This week, I would like to know the purposes for:
 a) silicone grease and b) Lubriplate.
Mark 

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:34:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Wiper Locations?

Keith;
Sounds like these holes you are talking about are for washer jets...since you
already have the holes...I would fit a couple of jets and a washer/pump under
the bonnet.
Rgds
Steve Bradke   72 Series lll 88
                      68 Series lla 88
                      96 Discovery

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:06:23 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Oil pressure

All,

I would like to know from people with 2.25 diesels what their oil
pressure is:
a) idling-cold engine
b) while cruising at your normal cruising speed
c) idling-engine warm

(It was silly of me to fit a guage...something new to worry about.)

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:34:46 -0500
Subject: Shimmy

 
>From: Clare & Lee Dunkelber 
>Subject: Shake and Shimmy (noncommercial)
 
>Just got a '91 Range Rover.  Now that I've got it home, I notice a shake
>and a shimmy in the steering, but mostly only between 63-67 mph.   It comes
>and goes fom quiet ride, back to quiet ride.

Most likely the panhard rod bushes, also check the track rod ends and the
steering arm to power steering connection, these often come loose.
 It is unlikely to be the bushes in the axles, these tend to show up as
direction changes when power is applied or un applied without changing the
steering wheel position.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:41:25 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: LR in Hydro projects

Funny coincidence, 

In the 50's, 60's and early 70's, there was a major hydro-electricity
project in the James Bay area (Hudson's Bay). From what I could understand,
they ordered over 300 Land Rovers to help survey the geography and the
building process. All were equipped with Koenig winch, extra heater, LHD or
RHD (who cares, there weren't any roads...) The keys were left in the
ignition, and whoever needed one just picked one up and drove away. It was a
govermental project, so there was a lot of spare parts due to unlimited
budgets. 

Today, there are still a few running in that area (from what I have heard),
there is also a guy up there who rebuilds them for fun (Must be the only
Series LR enthusiast living so close to the pole) -again, from what I have
heard- Most of them were buried with a bunch of equipment when the project
was over. Some found their way down south on a few truck beds and were
restored and sold by a fanatic of the time (P Lemieux). A guy in Abitibi
presently has 10 or 12 Ser III from the project as he intends to do some
off-roading tourism in that area. He was also lucky enough to buy the rest
of the spare parts that stayed in a barn for so long. There were engines,
transmissions, winches, etc... still in crates and the original oily
wrapping. The guy got a real bargain. 

Could be part of the trip that is planned for next summer to try and find
some relatives to our landies. Apelerinage, maybe?

Looks like Land Rovers have something to do with big construction projects...

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 8:47:35 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure

Idling cold...45 psi
cruising....55-60 psi
warm idle....55 psi

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:53:08 -0500
Subject: 24 V conversion

From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: 24 Volts

I have a strong interest in buying`an ex-Mod in great condition but it has a
24 volt 
system. What are the advantages and disavantages of this system? What would
a place 
like RN charge to change to a 12 volt system.
 
Response :- 
  The advantages are great starting and lots of current for welding, lights,
radios etc.

 Note well the ignition coil and circuit is 12 volt.

 The disadvantages are:- 
 Expensive and hard to find  parts  ( relatively easy to find in the UK at
ex military parts dealers ) 
high power loss due to the big alternator. ( 2. 4 kW = 3  horse power ) 
Heavier components ( extra battery,  heavy alternator )
Difficulty finding 24 v accessories, so complicated wiring systems needed.
 An expensive conversion by Rovers North, ( or any Rover shop,)  because
they will charge you full price for lots of parts which can be more easily
and cheaply sourced elsewhere, and lots of labour for making a simple job
look difficult.

The conversion is not difficult. ( it can't be I have done several, and I am
a mechanical engineer, not electrical )  I had an article published last
year in the Ottawa Valley newsletter with details of the necessary work
 Need to change, starter, alternator, fuel tank senders, light bulbs, heater
motor ( optional ) wiper motor. starter solenoid, flasher can and perhaps a
few other miscellanous bits.
 It is NOT necessary to change the wiring harness, only a few wires to
change in the charging circuit.

 My advise, run the 24 volt until you have problems, in the meantime start
collecting the parts for a conversion.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:55:28 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Tie-rod end and exhaust system...

Thank you all for giving me tips on the tie-rod ends. It is very
appreciated. I would also like to thank you those (especially Richard) who
helped in my exhaust system setup. Looks like there are two different setups
for the Ser III, early and late, and of course, I had the wrong one...

A bient=F4t,

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:19:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Capstans

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> It should be on the FAQ by now, right Dixon?  ;-)  Cheers

	In the right directory, not linked though...   Soon... :-)

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Date: 26 Feb 1997 09:40:40 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Re- Alternate Alternators

Sandy Grice asked about the mods needed to fit the 90A Delco into my SIII:

First, please call me Jeff; my e-mail title is LT because the sysadmin types
say it must be so, not because I'm  a certifiable DSM-IV narcissistic
personality (though my wife and the 900 cadets here may beg to differ.)

For my alternator swap -- ten minutes with a hacksaw and it fit real nicely
(that could be the thematic statement for any number of my engineering
efforts).   I don't want to draw the ire of the list, but I'm much more of a
pragmatist than a purist.  Don't worry, I have no intention of buying a
Dormobile, though they are very cool.

The two pronged alternator mount needed about 3/16" removed from the front
prong.  The alternator was fairly over-engineered for a GM product (easy,
Bill) - a stout 3/8" of the bracket remained when I was done hacking away, and
it's shown no evidence of cracking.   Belt alignment was perfect.  

Regards,

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88" daily driver 
6? SIIA 88" probably a parts car

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From: finchm@sky2.bskyb.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:42:23 +0000
Subject: change of address

Hi all
    
     My email address has changed from finchm@sky2.bskyb.com to
finchm@sky3.bskyb.com it's only the number that has changed from a 2 to a 3.

Yours mark finch

So remember the new address is finchm@sky3.bskyb.com.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:53:44 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Nigel@ Lancaster University

Nigel
You are the fellow I am trying to contact.I am still interested in the dash boards you 
want to sell. I lost your address. If you are out there please contact me,
Regards
Benjamin

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@camworks.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:19:02 -0600

> At least Land Rover seems to have learned from their mistakes and is
> treating the North American market seriously.

Um, I beg to differ with that. These limited production, high end, every =
option or nothing vehicles are hardly intended to gain any type of =
market share. They are high end vehicles for the high end market. Talk =
to me when I can get a stripped D90 for $22K (or whatever the current =
cost is). Or a nice D110 pick-up. Or any one of the other variants that =
are made but can't buy here. Hell, I don't care whether they import them =
or not, but at least let us special order one...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, minneapolis, mn

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@camworks.com>
Subject: Grey market 110 sighting in minneapolis
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:20:49 -0600

Yesterday heading south out of Minneapolis on 35W I saw a red 110 SW, no roll cage, and a white painted roof.

Anybody know who owns that...?

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, minneapolis, mn

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 11:24:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

>Um, I beg to differ with that. These limited production, high end, every
option or nothing >vehicles are hardly intended to gain any type of market
share. They are high end vehicles >for the high end market. Talk to me when
I can get a stripped D90 for $22K (or whatever the >current cost is). Or a
nice D110 pick-up. Or any one of the other variants that are made
>but.can't buy here. Hell, I don't care whether they import them or not,
but at least let us >special order one...
But that's what the American market wants.  Have you looked at the
offerings from Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, Honda, etc.  They're all fully loaded
outrageously priced vehicles.  LR is just cashing in on this trend.  And
I've seen a tonne of Discoverys on the road so they are doing something
right.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:45:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

Brian Hanson remarked:

But that's what the American market wants.  Have you looked at the
offerings from Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, Honda, etc.  They're all fully loaded
outrageously priced vehicles.  LR is just cashing in on this trend.  And
I've seen a tonne of Discoverys on the road so they are doing something
right.

Nope - not all by a long shot. Take a look on your average dealer lot for
the pickup and 4 x 4 crowd and a lot of the available vehicles are modestly
optioned, typically air and a trim package.

Take a good look at what's running around the highways for pickups and the
like - not the poseur/soccer mom crowd.

Most pickups are modestly optioned working vehicles, with the sparkly
high-end ones being the commuter/see-previous-commentary types.

These are two distinct market segments - those who want a truck to use as a
truck, and the poseurs.

                              ajr

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:00:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Breathers, brakes, and gearboxes

Re: Gnarled bits in the 4WD casing?

Did you find the oil-slinger that's supposed to be on the shaft (looks like
2 metal straps, bolted around the shaft)?

If you didn't, I'll lay odds that's what's gone to grass.....

Other than that, i'd suspect strongly the brass bushing in the end of the
front output shaft being bad and allowing the shaft to flop...

                              aj"ICK!"r

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:07:32 -0500
From: Martin Eglitis <Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

Alan Richter, Responding to Brian Hanson remarked:
>But that's what the American market wants.  Have you looked at the
>offerings from Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, Honda, etc.  They're all fully loaded
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>>truck, and the poseurs.
>>                             ajr

I think it's a little more complicated than comparing LR to the low-end
pick-up segment of the market. LR is a European-based manufacturer, and if
you look at what Europe imports to the US it is exclusively the high-end
product. Why? Most likely manufacturing costs and recovery of investment.
Volvo makes a lot of cars other than 740s and 850s, but those are the only
ones with which it can make a satisfactory profit in the US. The margins
for European manufacturers are just too small to allow import of stripped
vehicles. Even the Japanese have become less stripped as their costs have
escalated. Witness the rise of Korea as a producer of low-end wheels for
the NA market. You can gripe that you can't get a stripped D90 in NA, but
it isn't strictly because that is not what LR wants to import. Wants and
can are 2 different things, and market forces (read profit margin) dictates
what LR can import. As has been pointed out, LR must be doing something
right because in 2 yr sales in the US have become a sizeable fraction of
total production. You know Herr BMW can't be too unhappy about that!!

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 12:29:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

>Nope - not all by a long shot. Take a look on your average dealer lot for
the pickup and 4 x >4 crowd and a lot of the available vehicles are
modestly optioned, typically air and a trim >package.
>Take a good look at what's running around the highways for pickups and the
like - not the >poseur/soccer mom crowd.
>Most pickups are modestly optioned working vehicles, with the sparkly
high-end ones being >the commuter/see-previous-commentary types.
>These are two distinct market segments - those who want a truck to use as
a truck, and the >poseurs.
>ajr
Yes, I definately agree about the two segments.  Unfortunately, where I
live, the poseur crowd wins out.  You can't find a strip down truck.(Well,
you can, but it takes a lot of looking and dealers aren't that helpful
because they don't make as much.)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Breathers, brakes, and gearboxes
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 16:31:24 GMT

> Re: Gnarled bits in the 4WD casing?
> Did you find the oil-slinger that's supposed to be on the shaft (looks like
> 2 metal straps, bolted around the shaft)?

Yep, the oil-splasher,thingy was bolted on quite fine. The marks would
have been between the splasher and the dog clutch. Wondering if it was the
fork that caused them?

> If you didn't, I'll lay odds that's what's gone to grass.....
> Other than that, i'd suspect strongly the brass bushing in the end of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> front output shaft being bad and allowing the shaft to flop...
>                               aj"ICK!"r

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:39:12 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure

My 109 shows the following -

Idling cold - 50 psi, Cruising - 65-70 psi, idling warm 60 psi. My 88
shows about 5 psi less on all counts - could be the enigines, could be
the meters - both are rebored and overhauled 88 in 1990 109 in 1995.

hope this helps.

(Check that your oil pressure meter circuit is fed from the instruments
stabilised power supply which is located on the back of the fuel/temp
meter panel in the dash - otherwise your readings will be affected by
the varying voltage of your alternator/battery)
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 26 Feb 97 09:46:49 MST
Subject: PAP

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Hello all... Just had an idea, Would PAP (Perforated Aluminum Plate) be
a good roof rack floor material? Seems that if you're going to carry it
around with you that maybe you should use it for something useful, no?

Dave (thinking too hard Today) Brown

P.S. Anyone come up with a good (inexpensive) source?

Habit is the best of servants,       #=======#         _____l___
or the worst of masters.             |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
- Nathaniel Emmens                   | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
-                                    "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:08:57 +0700
From: Phairoj Phatsorpinyosakul <cnxpphts@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th>
Subject: Discovery Mpi on FIRE!!

Hi LR fans,

Has anyone experienced or heard about the Discovery Mpi caugh fire
without obvious reason?!!  There are serveral reports of Mpi caugh fire
in Thailand and still, the distributor has not come up with a solution.
Your advise would be very important for many of the Mpi owners here in
Thailand.

Cheerio,
Phairoj.
'94 Disco Mpi
'92 730i

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:23:31 +0000
Subject: Land Cruisers

>>Toyota rarely push the pedigree of the LC and how Thiess Bros
>>imported them for their contract work on the Snowy Mountains Hydro
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>(correct me if anyone knows better, but this is what came out of
>it), there were only a handful of Tojos used, towards the end of the
>project, with SI LandRovers being the main vehicle.

The way I heard it is that farmers in the outback choose LCs over
LRs, cos if you''re nearest habitation is 100 miles away, you need
something that is stone-reliable. I was under the impression that LR
are no longer flavour of teh month.

The disadvantage to em is that where LRs flex over prolonged abuse in
really rough terrain, LCs snap. This might be more important to
construction crews.... ..

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:35:26 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

At 11:07 97-02-26 -0500, you wrote:

>I think it's a little more complicated than comparing LR to the low-end
-pick-up segment of the market. LR is a European-based manufacturer, and if
>you look at what Europe imports to the US it is exclusively the high-end
-product.
-
Well, over here in Canada, there is a german car manufacturer that offers
low-end cars. Volkswagen. You can even go to the dealer and buy one that
only has the driver's seat, 4-speed manual, no trim at all, for
pizza-delivery purpose. I think that it is more of a question of attitude
from the big chief overseas. In Canada, they're not selling the Defender
anymore. Why? It doesn't suit the needs of the market. Why couldn't Solihull
offer a stripped-down Defender for pizza-delivery purposes in the backroads?
They could, and they would make money out of it, but they make more money
out of a fully-equipped vehicle. That's just too bad. The basic defender
would certainly reduce the gizmo-Defender sales, therefore, less profit,
unless the number of vehicles sold is greater. 

Even if you bring a standard Defender close to the price of a top-end T-J, I
am not convinced that the sales would go up. Land Rover doesn't have a good
reputation over here where reliability is a must. You don't want to be left
on the side of a dark and lonely road at night with a dead engine when it's
-40 outside. 

Montreal new Range Rover Owners, in average, don't keep their vehicles for
more than two years. After that, it goes back to the dealer which will end
up sold at an auction for 20,000$. RR owners (and maybe Disco, time will
tell) sell their trucks as soon as the warranty expires, which doesn't quite
happen with Suburbans and others. 

Very few manufacturers are able to sell a new vehicle every two years to the
same chap. The profit margin is even bigger. Customers who will buy basic
Defenders will probably keep them a long time, (if they don't die frozen on
the side of the road), thus not buying one once every two years. 

There is a market for basic-Defenders, but LR opted for the high-end market.
It is a question of strategy. Might not like it, but do I have a choice? 

Hmmm, this is 1997... 1997-15= 1982... I could bring a Stage I in and park
at Decarie Motors, leaking oil...

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Subject: Re: What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub...
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 11:11:12 -0800
From: "G. Mugele" <mewgull@ix.netcom.com>

>FWIW Gerry, a 69 Bronco listed at $2945 with hardtop (they had enough power
>where they didn't need a 4 spd.)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>desirable thing now-a-days, back then most yanks figured you shouldn't have
>to fix 'em, at least for awhile and besides 'all' vehicles built in the
>60's were easy to repair.
Joe,
Here's your chance to see what gets cut...just compare this direct 
response with the edited version that comes through LRO.

I think that you thought the prices you quoted were contradictory to what 
I said; not so.  You confirmed.  The Bronco with a top @ $2945 came with 
a bench seat, crappy street tires. three speed, etc.  By the time you got 
the good seats, reasonable tires, tax license, dealer prep, undercoating 
and all the other crap it was *more* than a LR.  I priced them *all* in 
the spring of '69.  And in the '60s I rarely looked at any detroit iron.  
The only small 4WD cheaper than a LR equipped the same way as the " 88 
Deluxe Hardtop" was the Land Bruiser and it was only about $150 less.

If you only look at base price I'd agree that the LR appears to cost 
more...but the base price has as much in common with what you pay for 
your Buick as a Nascar Stocker has in common with it.  I always price new 
cars by comparing the number that will go on the check, that is the only 
real number.  I agree with you numbers, I disagree with your conclusion.  
I was not rich when I bought that Land Rover, far from it.  Newly married 
and trying to save for a downpayment on a house, I didn't have money to 
add to a new truck to make it as good off-road as the LR would be stock 
from the dealer.  A friend bought a new CJ5 the month before, I think 
with a V8, softop, HD suspension, 4-speed, etc. The options are what 
really cost you.  His out the door price was $3800 and then he 
immediatedly went out and got new wheels and tires.  Within a year he had 
close to $5000 into his Jeep and never seemed to be able to go anywhere I 
couldn't.  :-)

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From: David W Scott <birddog@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: headlights
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:58:23 -0600

Prince Charles the 11a needs some new headlight bulbs.  I saw a halogen =
set for 80 bucks for the pair.  Anyone know of a cheaper alternative?   =
Have a great day, birddog

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 26 Feb 97 15:00:35 MST
Subject: 109 available in Arizona

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

At the risk of competing against myself, (I plan to sell my 109 sometime
this year) I thought I'd let the internet community know of a 109 for
sale in Scottsdale Arizona. (Pima and Shey area)

1964 109 5-door safari top, good body, good frame, rebuilt engine 2.5
years ago, no overdrive, dover blue. Full length roof rack (with front
overhang)

Has "Trooper" seats, but the guy has the orig. seats (need upholstery)
Headliner is "out" (I assume gone, or torn) everything works except the
handbrake. (big surprise, eh?) Claims to have been in Africa for 25
years, then Newport Beach for 5.

Asking $8800 obo. Call (602) 256-8969 for the owner.

If you buy it, please "remember me" in some way. ;-) ($$ works nicely!)
(If you don't "remember me" I'll call down curses from the prince of
darkness that we all submit to: Lucas!!) ;-)

Dave (trying to get positive "rover carma") Brown

P.S. If you miss out on this one, mine will be available at near this
price in the not too distant future. I'll post a blatant advertisement
at that time... (Mine's a '70 with extra frame and many parts.)

Habit is the best of servants,       #=======#         _____l___
or the worst of masters.             |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
- Nathaniel Emmens                   | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
-                                    "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:47:28 -0400
Subject: Re: headlights

Re: 80 bucks a pair for halogens:

Not on MY truck.....8*)

Mr. Churchill is happily running halogen sealed beams
from Sylvania. They work great, drop right in in place of
the original sealed beams, and run about $10 each.

This, I realize, is not a solution for the British Rover folks,
but the American ones were built with sealed beams and
not the bulb/reflector combo of the UK type machines.

They work well but do have to be carefully adjusted because
of the closeness of the bulbs on the front of a IIa. That, and I get into
an argument with the subhuman at safety inspection every year
because Mr. Churchill doesn't match his chalkboard for headlight
aiming...

          aj"Helluva lot brighter than stock, they are..."r

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:58:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil pressure

oil pressure readings for my diesel 2.25l as follows -
cold - idling about 30-35psi - cruising 50psi
hot - idling about 15-20psi -cruising 40-45psi
I have a Stewart Warner mechanical 60psi oil pressure gage hooked up to
the oil filter tap point - i have sound when the gage starts to drop
below 10 psi at idle it's time to add a quart of castrol (10w-30
winter, 10w-40 summer)
currently ave about 120,000 miles on this rebuild
Jack Walter

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:29:32 -0500
Subject: frame galvanizing ?

I am currently restoring my treasured 1967 88 and am trying to ensure
that it will be around for many future generations to enjoy. The
original frame is in exceptionally good shape ( the original chalk
marks from the factory assembly line are still quite visible). I had to
make a small repair to the rear crossmember where a PO had welded on a
Large trailer hitch but other than that it's nearly perfect. i have had
the grill panel and firewall e-coated which should ensure their
longevity but I am thinking that galvanizing would be more appropriate
for long term preservation of the chassis. 

Some other Land Rover owners have related experiences with galvanizers
that bring to mind several questions:

Do additional drain/access holes have to be drilled into the box
sections to allow full penetration of the zinc bath to prevent the
frame rusting from the inside out? If true - where are the best
locations and size for these additional holes? - Somebody I talked to
said that the galvanizer they took their chassis to had torched some
very irregularly shaped holes in the bottom of their chassis box
sections for this purpose.

Which would be the best orientation for the frame to go into the
galvanizing bath (given that the tanks are big enough- right side up,
inverted, sideways, nose up, or tail up?)

Does all of the paint have to be removed from the frame before going to
the galvanizer's or does the pre-coat bath remove the existing paint
sufficiently well?

What temperature galvanizing bath is best - apparently there are
several degrees of hot dip galvanizing up to (I think) 600deg F which
might cause the frame to warp.

I would appreciate any insights or experiences that other list members
might care to share with me on this subject.

Thanks, Jack Walter

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:48:56 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: sick starters and dead batteries

Joe Schaefer wrote:
> At 09:45 26-02-97 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hi folks,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> So far as batteries go IMHO get the biggest, meanest, largest CCA rated ,
> *heaviest*  battery you can fit in.
> -jj

I can't believe you started with only a 42 AH battery.  Mine is 800!! AH
and you need this for a winch or for cold weather starting.  Dave VE4PN

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:11:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Brake lights on 110

Here's a new one to me...

When I press down slowly and gently on the brake pedal, the lights don't go
on, even after the pedal is being pressed down hard. When I press down
slightly quicker, the lights come on. It seems more related to the speed at
which I press the pedal, not so much the final pressure. I discovered this
phenomenon when creeping back towards the garage wall and slowly pressing the
brake pedal. I use the size of their cones of light on the wall to help judge
remaining distance... There is now a sticker on the wall saying "Your Skid
Stops HERE" ;)

Please send me an e-mail (direct, or cc: me) if you have any ideas on the
prince of no light's latest prank. I've fixed the one that turned off brake
lights in the rain... that was also an interesting one...  hmmmm... who's
that tailgating in the rain?

thanks,

pat.

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Spark Timing?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 17:36:38 PST

Hi,

I have another question. I am trying to do the spark timing for my 1994 Def-90.
I just ordered the shop manual from Atlantic British, it does not go into 
much detail on how to do the timing.

My question is, I can see the timing mark on the crakshaft pulley (I think they
called it the torsional damper or something), it has TDC (Top dead center) 
marked in the middle, and tic marks on each side, with 1/2 at each end of the
tic marks. What does the 1/2 mean? The book says I need to time it to 5 degrees
before TDC, which mark is 5 degrees?

Also, the book says that I need to idle the truck at less than 750 RPM for the 
test. Do I need to buy a RPM meter, or can I just look at the RPM tach guage?,
I am going to buy the strobe timing light, but I wasn't sure if I needed to 
spend 50$ on the RMP meter as well?

This is pretty new to me, I have never done ignition timing before, so any
advise would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Leland Roys
1994 Defender-90
roys@cup.hp.com

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From: N4PTK@InfoAve.Net
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:01:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: sick starters and dead batteries

> Are you sure it wasn't just a bad ground? 

One thing everyone needs to be careful about, and that is using
the battery cables purchased at most auto parts stores.  They
are rated at 12 volts BUT they are marginal to say the least.  When
you replace cables, BE SURE TO GET HEAVY DUTY CABLES.  Many auto parts
stores (I know NAPA has them) carry a line of heavy cables they sell
mainly to truckers.  They are 1 gauge with heavy neopreme insulation.
This is especially good advice for any of you that might have 6 volt
systems.  The cables have to carry twice as much amperage at 6 volts as 
they do 12 volts to do the same amount of work.  This is also true in
going from 12 volts to 24 volts.  Hence, you could get by with lighter
cables at 24 volts.  As inexpensive as cables are, though, I wouldn't
want to.

Larry
n4ptk@infoave.net

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: FW: Word 6 Virus Alert
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 12:33:00 EST

All,

For your Information and action as necessary.  I wouldn't like to see 
everyone on the Lists having problems.

Ron Beckett
=====================

Please note - new Word 6  virus alert.

In essence the following summaries how to identify the virus & how to deal 
with it

*****************************
Warning: If you receive a message with the following
subject or banner: "You have GOT to read this!", do NOT
execute its attachment. Delete the entire message.
****************************

The following has been distributed to all mail users in our company by our 
 Corporate Security people.

"Late last week McAfee announced they have discovered a new macro virus 
called "FunShare".  Once a computer is infected with FunShare, it will 
attempt to send the current (infected) document to three recipients from the 
users address list in MS-Mail (see the details attached below).

This virus represents a significant risk to the company, and if it gains a 
foot-hold in the organisation, it may be difficult to eliminate.  The major 
threats from this virus  include: the unintentional mailing of sensitive 
information to people randomly selected  from user's address lists (even 
where external to the company), and the clogging of the corporate e-mail 
system with virus invoked e-mail."

=======================
http://www.mcafee.com/support/techdocs/vinfo/share.html

This macro virus spreads by infecting Word documents in
Update DAT File   Microsoft Word versions 6.x and 7.x on Windows and
Macintosh platforms. The virus consists of these macro names:

AutoExec
autoOpen
FileClose
FileExit
FileOpen
FileSave
FileTemplates
ShareTheFun
ToolsMacro

in infected documents. The virus becomes active by using
the Auto and System macros shown above.

Indications of Infection
There is a 1 in 4 chance, after the virus has infected of
doing the following activity: First, the macro virus will
save a copy of itself. Then it will check to see if you
are running Microsoft Mail. If so, the virus will find 3
random people in your mail list and send a copy of the
infected document with the following subject: "You have
GOT to read this!"

If MSWord is launched to read this attached file, the
receiver will become infected and above process will
begin again.

Warning: If you receive a message with the following
subject or banner: "You have GOT to read this!", do not
execute its attachment. Delete the entire message.

Do not attempt to look at the macros. Both the
Tools|Macro and File|Templates will activate the virus.
The macro FileSave is copied to the Global Template file
NORMAL.DOT. Once this has occurred, any new document
opened will be infected.

Method of Infection
Macro viruses spread by having one or more macros in a
document. Opening or closing the document or any activity
which invokes the viral macros, activates the virus. When
the macro is activated, it copies itself and any other
macros it needs, sometimes to the global macro file
NORMAL.DOT. If they are stored in NORMAL.DOT they are
available in all open documents.

At this point, the macro viruses try to spread themselves
to other documents. Macro viruses spread easily through
e-mail packages. The ability of these packages to send
and quickly launch documents can infect hundreds of users
at a time. Documents are much more mobile than executable
files, passing from machine to machine as different
people, write, edit or access them. Macro viruses can
therefore spread very quickly through business offices
and corporations.

Virus Information
Discovery Date       February, 1997
Origin                           Unknown
Length                         Not Applicable
Type                            Macro Virus
Prevalence               Common

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:16:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Cheap RR in Montreal? (Was: Land Rovers in US market)

At 12:35 PM 2/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>more than two years. After that, it goes back to the dealer which will end
>up sold at an auction for 20,000$. RR owners (and maybe Disco, time will

Are you saying I could pick up a 2 yr old RR in Montreal for C$20K?  That
might be worth a flight out that way!  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:19:43 -0800 (PST)
From: frank01@postoffice.ptd.net (Frank W.C.)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

I grew up with Land Rovers. We used them on our farm to haul manure wagons,
for hunting, and getting to work in miserable weather. I have a series IIa
sitting in my barn waiting for future restoration.(a relic) I like to look
at it, dust it off, and reminisce about good times in the PA woods when my
father, brother, uncle and I hauled out whitetail deer from some of the
worst conditions imaginable.

My primary vehicle is a Mercedes E220. For off road I purchased a Jeep
Cherokee. Why? It has roll up windows, a 5 speed manual, no accessory crap
and costs about 17 grand. I don't give a damn if it gets a scratch on it.

Why can't I buy a LR like my father's 88?  My "sport utility vehicle"
doesn't need power steering, leather seats, auto trans, air, a cd changer,
or luxury etc.! It needs Jeep basics and the ability to bust through the PA
woods (deer in tow) without worrying about scratching that $45,000 finish.

Wake up, Solihull!

When you come up with another sensible vehiche, I'll become a Land Rover
advocate again.

Frank

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
>truck, and the poseurs.
>                              ajr

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:45:48 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers in US market

>Why can't I buy a LR like my father's 88?  My "sport utility vehicle"
>doesn't need power steering, leather seats, auto trans, air, a cd changer,
>or luxury etc.! It needs Jeep basics and the ability to bust through the PA
>woods (deer in tow) without worrying about scratching that $45,000 finish.

In Australia you can buy a basic Tdi 110 Defender, with plastic seats, 
3-door or 5-door wagon, or cab/chassis, only standard 'option' being aircon,
which is more or less essential here, basic colours (white and green are all 
I have seen).

BUT - they still cost AU$45,000 !

Cheers. Tony.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:56:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Replacement keys;Re: Mark Gehlhausen

      Mark, this is a repeat of a message I  mailed two days ago;
 In the British Marque News there is an ad for keys cut to match 
the code on your ignition switch. The name is Pete Groh in Maryland:
his number is 410-758-2352 . Good Luck

                   Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:06:45 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Past histories

Brian Hanson wrote:

>At least Land Rover seems to have learned from their mistakes and is
>treating the North American market seriously.

It's about time.  I never ceased to be amazed at the string of bone-headed 
decisions British (ps) Leyland made, yet somehow the marque survived.  The 
decision to abandon the NA market in '74 has to be the ultimate...at a time 
they could have *owned* the market with a little thought.  This was at a 
time, as Dave Barry put it in this weekend's column, "the motto of Detroit 
automakers was 'we're doing all we can to make you buy foreign.'"  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub...
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 97 14:42:00 EST

Bill Adams wrote"

>If only, if only....
>If only they were LESS MONEY way back when, folks would have bought them.
>Sheesh, it's not marketing, it's money!
>Hey, if only I were higher paid, I could afford a new one now.

Bill, I thought you were a 3D Artist/Animator

Can't you make your own money?

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:57:24 -0500
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Def-90 Spark Timing?

Leland,

The last mark is 12 degrees. I used the tach in the instrument cluster.
Don't forget to disconnect the line on the distributor vacuum advance.

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
888-434-4678 office
609-273-9708 home
'94 D90 (LRNA #1251)
'90 RR County
'73 SIII swb

At 05:36 PM 2/26/97 PST, you wrote:
>Hi,

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>Hi,
>I have another question. I am trying to do the spark timing for my 1994
Def-90.
>I just ordered the shop manual from Atlantic British, it does not go into 
>much detail on how to do the timing.
>My question is, I can see the timing mark on the crakshaft pulley (I think

they
>called it the torsional damper or something), it has TDC (Top dead center) 
>marked in the middle, and tic marks on each side, with 1/2 at each end of the
>tic marks. What does the 1/2 mean? The book says I need to time it to 5
degrees
>before TDC, which mark is 5 degrees?
>Also, the book says that I need to idle the truck at less than 750 RPM for
>tic marks. What does the 1/2 mean? The book says I need to time it to 5
the 
>test. Do I need to buy a RPM meter, or can I just look at the RPM tach
guage?,
>I am going to buy the strobe timing light, but I wasn't sure if I needed to 
>spend 50$ on the RMP meter as well?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>1994 Defender-90
>roys@cup.hp.com

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:53:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: headlights

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

>Re: 80 bucks a pair for halogens:

>Mr. Churchill is happily running halogen sealed beams
>from Sylvania. They work great, drop right in in place of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>but the American ones were built with sealed beams and
>not the bulb/reflector combo of the UK type machines.

On any non-military Rover I've ever seen, they run standard 7" round bulbs.  
These can be replaced easily with either sealed beams as Al suggests 
(non-halogen versions probably stock) or you can go with an H4 type setup. This 
is a reflector/lens unit the same size as the sealed beam with a removable bulb. 
 The bulb usually comes standard as 60w/55w (high beam/low beam) but can be 
replaced (with proper wiring upgrades such as relays) with up to 130w/90w.  Cost 
ranges from $40 a side for a brand-name such as Hella to $20 for various 
knock-offs.  The usual caveats about aiming still apply, though.

BTW, if you're looking for such bulbs, etc. e-mail me directly.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:53:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rovers In US Market

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:

LR was part of a larger entity.  That entity was far more
>interested in selling MGB's, Triumphs and Marina's et al into the North 
>American market.

This larger entity, BL, was really to blame for LR's failure in the US market.  
In all the ways suggested by Dixon, BL was a machine that was hopelessly out of 
sync with the times.  They compensated in the US market by trying to force 
retailers to handle the entire line, not just those that were selling well.  
There are a couple interesting court cases from the era that deal with this 
issue.

>> Land Rover could have been a major player in the US 4x4 market.  The product
>> was not the problem, management was.  What was it about the corporate system
>> in the UK which defied success?

The corporate system defined the product.  Indeed, the production lines were 
taken up producing the profitable LR....so what if they couldn't sell them in 
any great numbers in the states?  A lot.  As any modern car maker has learnt 
(painfully, from the Japanese) you have to have either no presence in the US 
market (really stupid considering the size) or a substantial one that provides 
sufficient service outlets.  This did not exist at any time in the history of LR 
in the states.  

As an example, my father bought his 109" in 1959 mainly for the reason that it 
was well supported in Africa, where it was to be used.  He wanted to be able to 
bring the vehicle into a shop and have it serviced without any major headaches. 
 No American or Japanese product could offer that at the time.  In 1972, he took 
another trip in South America and opted for a Dodge van.  Dodge dealers existed 
in all the major cities of South America and he had no mechanical troubles that 
couldn't be handled locally.  The next year he took the same vehicle to Africa 
and discovered the inroads the Japanese had made.  LRs were scarce and the only 
Dodge parts available were leftovers from WWII!

Land Rover had the U.S. product they needed in 1971!  The Range Rover.  From 
what I understand, much of the concept for the vehicle was derived from the 
contemporary Bronco.  The Rangie was simple, rugged, had the power and higher 
level of comfort to compete with American Iron, but was never introduced into 
the country until it became a luxury vehicle.  Same with the Stage One...its 
technology was available with the advent of the Rangie and it would have made an 
ideal product for the U.S. market.  Naturally, that product that should and 
could have been produced in 1971 wasn't built until more than eight years later!

Quality control cannot be cured by technology, and this is where BL finally 
killed itself once and for all.  We all know the stories and no matter what was 
done to the design, this had to be cured....has it?  I dunno.

Today, LR is forced by economic realities of the modern auto market to move 
upscale.  You can't sell large numbers of vehicles in any market without 
extensive dealer and widespread public support.  Neither exists for Land Rover. 
 Luxury vehicles have a higher margin and attract a more centralized market 
(really, in how many areas of the U.S. do people regularly buy $30k cars?) 
Allowing profit without such a large capital investment is the only way for a 
small auto maker to survive.

I can't say that I like it though, I'd love to be able to buy a Landie in 
somewhat of the same way I might buy a Ford pickup.  One that I wasn't afraid to 
work hard for several years and all the while be certian I had dealer support 
and a new one available when this one was shot.  The Landie still has a superior 
design for many tasks.  It is smaller but just as rugged and has an economy of 
space and adaptability that is still not equalled.

Ok, off soapbox....

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:54:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Door Seals???

On 16 Feb 97, lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren) wrote:

> >closed-cell neoprene foam laminated with Cordura fabric glued to the roof. 
>Only
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Now, that sounds EXCELLENT! How did you go about it? I'm definetly 
>interested!!
Works really nice...the problem is adhesive.  The first version (which is coming 
apart now) was assembled with water-soluble contact cement.  The last time I 
used the chemical stuff and the vapours nearly killed me for a few weeks after 
installation.  The problem with the water-based cement is that it doesn't stick 
too well.  I'm going back to the old, carcinogenic, stuff as soon as I get a 
chance.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:43:23 -0800
From: Franck & Naida Ergas <ergas@pacbell.net>
Subject: ARB front bumpers

I'm looking for an ARB front bumper with a winch (new or used). Where
can i find one? '89 Range Rover

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: sick starters and dead batteries
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:14:28 +0100 (MET)

Dave,
| I can't believe you started with only a 42 AH battery.  Mine is 800!! AH
Hm! Sounds odd. I never saw a that big battery. Perhaps yours is 800 Wh 
which would be 67 Ah if it is 12V.

| and you need this for a winch or for cold weather starting.
Couldn't afford a winch yet, but a friend may build a mechanical capstan winch
for me.

BTW. After hooking the battery to the loader for a good day, Brumml fired 
right up yesterday evening. Maybe I just had turn the light switch to 
far and the convoy light drained the battery - Another backdraw of exMOD 
vehicles. Think I'll take the bulb out, soon.

Keep the oily side down,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
		   http://www.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de/~franz
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:24:30 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Re: PAP

On 26 Feb 1997 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> Hello all... Just had an idea, Would PAP (Perforated Aluminum Plate) be
> a good roof rack floor material? Seems that if you're going to carry it
> around with you that maybe you should use it for something useful, no?

Execpt that every time you became stuck you would have to unpack the roof
rack.  

Dean
=============================================================================
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                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
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