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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:06:08 -0500
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: Ratling sound and some green stuff!!

Hi
I have two question regarding my S2a petrol

1. Do you any of you have aby idea about the ratling sound that i hear
coming from the engine, its very low volume and i only hear it when the
engine is at very low rpm, any ideas?? - i thought of the timing chain!!

and
2. Any ideas about the the odd green and disgusting jelly like deposit that
seems to form on the top of the oil-fill tube??

thanx

Olafur Agust
66 Swb S2a petrol
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Olafur Agust Axelsson    olafura@rhi.hi.is    http://www.rhi.hi.is/~olafura

"Tv=F6 - til =FErj=FA - gl=F6s =E1 dag!!  -  alla =E6vi"
			Manneldisr=E1=F0

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:54:36 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: exaust systems

>>My '92 Range Rover has been in the shop three or four times because I screwed
>up something in the exaust system. I think it is the manifold gaskets or that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>slow!!! Should I install a duel exaust system? It would probably make my
>Rover go faster, right?

        Exhaust system mods by themselves make a marginal difference in
late model Range Rovers because of the type of fuel injection used (it
doesn't adapt to a free flow exhaust so you have to modify the fuel
injection to get the power up). Their systems are actually fairly efficient
in stock form, with about 2-4psi back pressure. (No arguments - I've done
dyno tests!) Also, in may cases (especially small displacement engines), a
large diameter single exhaust flows better than a dual setup. On to your
problem.
        If you are blowing manifold gaskets, your catalytic converters
might be plugged. 90mph is a bit sluggish and a partly plugged cat could
cause this. The average NAS, low-comp 3.9 will do about 105-108 mph. I'd
suggest testing the backpressure and going over the no brainer stuff like
throttle cable adjustment, ignition timing, distributor advance mechanisms,
fuel pressure and flow, air filter etc.

        Jim Allen

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:33:32 +0100
Subject: Wiring harness source

Does anyone know of a cheap source for quality SIII wiring harnesses?
Preferably UK or northern Europe based.

I've been recommended a UK company called Autospark, but I have no
phone of fax numbers for them. Has anyone dealt with them?

Rgds,

TK
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

-- 
telnet 144.92.240.17 666
**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--
Terje Krogdahl              Multix A/S            Phone   +47 2206 2600
E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lysaker Torg 25       Fax     +47 2206 2626
        support@multix.no   N-1324, Lysaker       Direct  +47 6711 3657

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:08:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Public Arguments

FWIW, the gentleman who originally complained about ECR seems to have tried
to use all possible means to solve the problem before he brought the problem
to the lists attention. I remember many months ago a post from the same
gentleman inquiring to the list how he might title his vehicle, no names
mentioned, no fingers pointed. After exhausting all possible alternatives, he
turned to the list, just like any us might have done after having tried every
damn thing we can think of with a fuel delivery problem. *not a peep out of
you, kenner* :) 
the upshot is that this list exists so that we can entertain ourselves and
swap information...  including bad experiences with vendors.

steve writes...
> My suggestion to the list is that in any Rover related business dealings
> gone "bad" names of individuals/companies be left out.

this is *EXACTLY WRONG* this list is for us, not for the commercial entities

ECR and the other commercial entities have gotten *lots* of free advertising
from this list. Now ECR is getting some negative attention, they arent the
first, and they wont be the last. I cant and wont speculate as to who is in
the wrong, ECR, or the chap with the dormobile, but thanks to the list, I bet
the problem will soon solved. 

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:37:12 GMT
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@services.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: exhausts + V8 improvements

>Also, it is pretty slow for a 3.9 liter V-8. I had the gas pedal
>all the way to the floor and it only hit about 90 miles per hour. Too damn
>slow!!! Should I install a duel exaust system? It would probably make my
>Rover go faster, right?

Hello,

Try putting a K+N cone shaped air filter on instead of the restrictive
original air cleaner.  This made a noticeable difference to my discovery
although I had to have a bracket made up to support the air metering unit
with the K+N attached.  My disco can do (an indicated) 110 mph on a good day.
My next improvement will be a big bore 4 into 1 exhaust on each side when I
save up!

Has anybody used those 'Splitfire' spark plugs?? 
Any other easy V8 go faster tips??

Cheers,

Tom.
'95 Discovery V8 
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:19:43 GMT
From: Tom Peacey <tom.peacey@services.britgas.co.uk>
Subject: exhausts + V8 improvements

>Also, it is pretty slow for a 3.9 liter V-8. I had the gas pedal
>all the way to the floor and it only hit about 90 miles per hour. Too damn
>slow!!! Should I install a duel exaust system? It would probably make my
>Rover go faster, right?

Hello,

Try putting a K+N cone shaped air filter on instead of the restrictive
original air cleaner.  This made a noticeable difference to my discovery
although I had to have a bracket made up to support the air metering unit
with the K+N attached.  My disco can do (an indicated) 110 mph on a good day.
My next improvement will be a big bore 4 into 1 exhaust on each side when I
save up!

Has anybody used those 'Splitfire' spark plugs?? 
Any other easy V8 go faster tips??

Cheers,

Tom.
'95 Discovery V8 
 _____
 [][][\__      /
 |^----^-|    /
 (o)  (o) ,,,/

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:52:31 -0400
Subject: Thieving commercial interests and whistle-blowing:

I can't keep quiet on this one anymore.

Long before I bought my first Rover, I was seduced by a pretty Series III
88 I saw parked on the side of a Somervislle street. Turned out to be owned
by a certain Marv Rosen of said city - and was bait for other junk he sold
at massively inflated prices, along with illegal goodies like a re-VINed
Lightweight he tried to pawn off on me.

Thankfully I managed to get away from him, realizing there was something
wrong when he tried to tell me that doorposts could only be replaced by
disassembling the whole car and putting the bulkhead in a jig....and he had
the only one.

Point of this rambling missive is that warning others of dishonest dealings
is part of the game - if you hear that someone was ripped-off by a dealer
and hear no more stories, then you discount it. When this pops up and a
half-dozen "me too!" posts appear, you then have every reason to wonder at
the honesty of the individuals involved.

Watching the other guy's back is not a problem if goodwill is assumed - and
if it isn't it's pretty damned obvious.

          aj"And I will say no more - private E-mail welcome"r

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:14:36 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Broken clutch pressure plate springs

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> n?
> > Can anyone date a transmission that has the suffix "F"?  When did the "F"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> 11/70
> SteveMy vehicle says it is a 1969.  Must have had a new transmission somewhere 
along the way if it has the 11/70 date.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:04:48 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: RE- Alternator Question

Mark Gelhausen wrote about his Delco conversion:  Since one of the smaller
wires goes to the same +V node as the large wire, can I not connect it to the
large screw terminal at 
the alternator or is there a reason it must route independently to the +V
node? 

Mark:  Here's an option if you don't get a more direct answer to your
question.  I swapped a 90A Delco into my SIII a few months back.  Even though
the junkyard-fresh alternator benched 100 amps I decided to have it cleaned
and rebuilt.  The mechanic at the auto electric shop looked at the snakepit
which I call a wiring harness and recommended that I have the Delco
"marinized" - the marine application has an internal sense input.  No fuss, no
muss, and one less external wire to connect. He did this conversion for ten
bucks.  

  If you do this, and if your Delco is like mine, there is a screw post for
the output (thick red wire) and a three-prong spade connector below, with two
of the spades parallel in an above/below configuration and one spade beside
and perpendicular to these two.   The charge system warning light goes to the
perpendicular spade.  The third wire - the one that you're concerned about now
- is not needed and can be ceremonially clipped and allowed to fall onto your
driveway.  Leave it where it lies; a Lucas troll will reclaim it while you
sleep.

   I've been running this way for a few months now with no problems and lots
of extra amps that I don't need. 

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88 HT (daily driver)
6? SIIA 88 (parts donor)

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:45:17 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: electrical systems

        First, dispell the myth. The electricals in your ailing Range Rover
are designed by Land Rover. Some parts of it may or may not be Lucas pieces
but you will find Marelli, Bosch, and even some American made componants if
you look closely.
        Your probelm my be more eiththe shop (or tech) than anything. As a
former tech and factory trained Land Rover tech, I can catagorically say
that ANY problem can be solved. It just depends on how much effort an
brainpoer are put into it.
         As to replacing the entire electical system? It would cost more
that the car is worth. I suggest a "second opinion" with another tech,
dealership or shop. There are some very common probelms with Classic Range
Rovers that a qualified and experienced tech should be able to spot. There
is always the off chance that you have an unusual problem here but relays,
grounds and poor connection are very common ailments. Good luck!

        Jim Allen

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:09:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Ratling sound and some green stuff!!

Re: Rattling sound:

Could well be the timing chain - the tensioner is hydraulic, operated b=
y
oil pressure. if your oil pressure at idle is low it may be losing tens=
ion
and rattling.

What's your oil pressure like?

2: Green Jello:

It's oil/condensation scum. Not unusual in Series beasts in cold weathe=
r.
Make sure your vent caps are open, or if you have a PCV system, that it=
's
working properly.

Don't sweat it otherwise - it's fairly unimportant unless it appears in=

quantity in th oil.

>"Tv=F6 - til =FErj=FA - gl=F6s =E1 dag!!  -  alla =E6vi"
   >Manneldisr=E1=F0

Whatever you say.....<grin>

Seriously, though, what's this mean? Just curious...

          aj"Not up on Nordic languages..."r
=

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:55:32 -6
Subject: Re: Reassembly oil

>  I asked at the local
> auto parts store (marginal place) and they had no idea what I was talking
> about.

On bearing surfaces use something like Lubriplate Assembly Grease. On 
pistons/rings use a 50/50 mix of STP and 30w oil.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 22 Feb 97 20:23:04 +0000
Subject: Helicoils

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
TAZ was saying:

 >I've heard that you can get hold of a screw in sleave so as to retain 
 >the original plugs.
 >i'm asking around for more info so i'll let you know as soon as I 
 >find out!

Thanks for that, I got a sleeve. I tapped oversized and loctited the 
sleeve in, then coppaslipped in the plug! Seems to work fine!

Someone else was saying:

 >I'm came in a little late here so if this doesn't refer to stripped
 >spark(ing) plugs holes please excuse me.
 
It does, thanks for the advice!

 >If it does, then you can buy heli-coil inserts at any auto parts store, at
 
I couldn't get them here in Scotland. Everybody said to take the head to 
an engineering firm! :-(

 >least in the US. Usually two in a package, with adhesive and the little
 >tool for about $5 US. Used them on alum motorcycle heads more than once.
 
If someone can get me 14mm metric for 5 bucks I'd gladly pay postage for
them!!!
 
 >Follow the directions included and make sure the original threads are CLEAN
 >and they should work fine.
 
I got it done, but had to borrow from a mechanic at work!

Thanks for the help though!

Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  172/2
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 8:42:09 GMT

> >Yep, that's the cross member I mean.
> >There's a little "bolt-on" one beneath the gearbox (inline with the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> the exhaust hole in the crossmember behind the gearbox, but not in the next
> one. Is that normal?

I have holes in both crossmembers for the exhaust. This is an SIII btw.

On a slightly different track [SII/SIII military differences], Dr.Who on
Sunday featured a couple of SII
109" - military going by the bumpers. One of them had SIII indicators
(vertical rather than horizontal) on the front, and the SIII headlight position
was covered (yellow disk on rh, white square on lh).
One of those fabled very-late SIIs? The story (the first Tom Baker one)
was dated 1975 and must have been one of the last of the Brigadier ones.
Bumper and grab handles were white (green - NATO? body) which looked quite
neat and I think I might do myself...

As for exhausts, there weren't any pictures from underneath!  :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:41 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Tie-rod end question...

Hello, all, 

I have difficulty fitting ties-rod ends to the Ser IIA. It seems that when I
turn the crown nut to bolt them to the swivel-pin housing, the ball-joint
turns inside the casing, thus imposible to get it on tight. I only have the
problems with the ones with the nipple-side of the tie-rod end on top. I
know how to fit those who have the nipple on the bottom, with a bottle jack,
but have no idea on how to install the other ones. 

No, I will not turn the vehicle upside down.

Thanks a lot, 

Hoping that my english was readable this morning, 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:28:18 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Re :Stainless Steel!!!

> Posted to this list previously:
> "Metal corrodes in this order: K Na Ca Mg Al Zn Fe Pb H etc."

Not that simple. Mild steel is not that far above Al alloys. Zn is below
Al alloys. Stainless steels vary depending on alloy but are much higher
than mild steel. Cadmium is between Al alloys and mild steel. The exact
series depends on composition, electrolyte and surface condition. (From
"Metal Corrosion in Boats" by Nigel Warren)

Thus the zinc on galvanized steel will protect Al in contact. Cad plated
fastenters will have little impact. But combining SS and Al will
resulting in the Al attempting to electroplate the SS. Road salt can
make winter driver nearly as bad as driving in the ocean. Using SS
fasteners on the Al panels may result in bad corrosion of the Al,

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:16:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Reassembly oil (STP/30wt Mix)

In the same vein as Tom's suggestion, ofttimes I've used straight STP Oil
Treatment in this application, or any of the gluey oil "fortifiers"
available in the chain auto-parts stores.

Of course, this was long before I heard of Assembly Grease...this is
definitely better for the bearing shells.

               aj"Shade-tree mechanic, ME?...Never"r

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:22:38 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Solihull@aol.com

>From: Solihull@aol.com
>Subject: Glow plug wiring
>Someone posted recently that glow plugs are wired in series. They're not.

Series diesels _are_ wired in series!  There is a wire from the preheat
contact on the "ignition" switch to a resistor on the firewall, from there
to one contact of the first glowplug, from the other contact to the second
plug, from it's other contact to the third ...

As you point out, a single failure kills the whole lot.  This may seem
perverse, but remember that Lucas own CAV :-).  The Tdi motors use more
normal parallel-wired glowplugs.  Apart from cost, there's no reason not to
replace the old series-wired plus with parallel-wired ones.

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:24:54 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: FREE SOAP OPERA

Dear all,
        I left the list a few days ago just so I could get back to things
that matter more to me than the whimperings of Chris Weinbeck and Ben
Newman. But you all have sent me so many emails to please stay that my
mailbox is just as full, so at the very least... my side. Take it as you
will, and ask yourself how long have I been contributing to the list, and
how much have you heard from Ben Newman before...
        So we did work on Ben Newmans Rover. Something went wrong in CT. I
offered to ship the vehicle back to ME, repair the problem, and also
install new front and rear driveshafts at no extra cost. Then ship it back
to his home in FL... all at NO cost to him. He refused. He since then has
requested 2000 dollars. I would refund him the labor we did on the brakes,
but that is not 2000, as the parts are all still in place. We did tons of
other work from seat belts to electric fan install,wiring, temp. gauge,
fuel tank, etc. Nothing went wrong with that, just the brakes. I never said
I would not offer him a dime, and now that I am off the list the I can
imagine what he said I said. All I did was say I'm sorry the probelm
happened and I will stand up to fixing it. So not to make a huge long
story, but he think that dumping on me on the list will kill me, has sent
me numerous emails telling me I have no work ethic, made numerous threats
and slanderous statements against me, etc. He also says he has investigated
my entire background?? what kind of dude is this? and has everyone against
us. Well not according to my mail box, and just so you know Ben, I am
sleeping well... despite your efforts, as I know ECR offered you the best
we could to right the problem.
        To the rest of the list, can't believe you have to listen to this
dribble, but at least you get a down load a one sided soap opera for
free!!:-)
        BTW... Ben has been forwarding all your personal emails to him to
me, how mature. So go for it Ben, I am a betting man, and I bet we WILL
still be in business in a year, and if your dream team of bad mouthers
consists of you, Chris Weinbeck and Myles Murphy, boy do I feel in good
company without them.:-)
        Thanks the rest of you for the phone calls and emails. I'll try and
answer them today... but I'm going to stay off the list, and get back to
work.

From: Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.,Inc.
1962 Coil 109" 3 door, 3.5 V8, 5 speed
1950 SI 80", lhd *under construction*
1967 SIIA 109" Dormobile, lhd *still in bits until the 80" is done*

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:11:03 -0500
From: Allan Hill <hilltop@advantage.ca>
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:20:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Tie-rod end question...

Michel, another trick other than the bottle jack, Is to use a pry-bar
against the bumper and the top of the offending tie-rod end, with a jack
holding the end up and applying LIGHT pressure.

It's not right, but it works.

Of course, you could always use a scissors jack jammed under the
breakfast...8*)

                         ajr

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.boeing.com>
Subject: re: Series III gauges
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:14:24 -0800

>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:53:12 -0500
>From: "Bren & Lynne' Workman" <bworkman@alaska.net>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>and I don't want to badger, but if anyone might know how to get this
>information, I would appreciate your input, Bren Workman.

I bought my Series III new in 1973 and still drive it today.  Like
yours, it was manufactured at the factory with an oil pressure gauge
mounted in the left hole of the three in the center dash.  The other two
were covered over by the trim material.  So that seems to be how they
were delivered to the US.  However, soon after receiving the vehicle, I
installed a Smiths voltmeter and a Smiths ammeter which are made in the
same style as the oil pressure gauge.  I obtained these gauges from the
original Atlantic British company, which at that time had an outlet in
California run by Tom Gannon.  He is no longer in business, and I have
no idea if the matching Smiths gauges I bought back then are still
available.  I would assume they are.  I have never seen a "proper"
diagram or photo showing which gauges go where, so I put the voltmeter
in the center and the ammeter in the right hole.  This looks nice as the
voltmeter has a coloured dial where the oil and ammeter are black and
white.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

__________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:39:51 -0500
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: Private Problems, Public Forum

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:54:48 +0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

From:          Solihull@aol.com
Date:          Sat, 22 Feb 1997 14:54:14 -0500 (EST)
Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
X-To:          Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
Subject:       Glow plug wiring

Someone posted recently that glow plugs are wired in series. They're 
not........
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 
 

I  think  have a look at a 2.25 LR You will see that the glow plugs 
are in series. 

Shaun Fisher
Series IIA BoozMobile

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 07:43:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

 Iwan 

Please tell me where I can get this kit with parrallel plugs, and 
aprox. price. I have the same problem with the series plugs and nead 
to change.

Shaun Fisher
Series IIA always.
phone 0331-953235   or 0331-443612

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 01:33:12 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Public Arguments

Dixon Kenner wrote:
>         <sigh>  I knew I couldn't keep quiet on this subject...
> On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Steve Stoneham wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 82 lines)]
>         line that ran in months for things that take hours to do...  I
>         understand the courts will decide more on this one.
Well said Dixon - I agree, let's keep each other informed, but lets try
to keep the tone civilised, giving all parties the benefit of the doubt
until each reader has enough insight in the problem to make up his or
her own mind.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: N4PTK@InfoAve.Net
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:25:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover Eco Trek on Discovery Channel

Hi everyone,

        For the past four hours I have been watching the Eco Trek, sponsored
by Land Rover, on the Discovery Channel.  Awsome!!  If only I was in good
shape again, had the money, and was 30 years younger...........sigh.

        Anyone else see it?

Larry Matthews
n4ptk@infoave.net
                 What's needed on the information superhighway
                         is a good four wheel drive

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 9:15:55 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Swivel pin housing

Does this sound like a bearing problem?

Maybe. Pull the drum and check it out. Is this wobble occurring in 4 
wheel ? could just be drive train.
Try jacking up the front wheel and try to move the top of the tire in and 
out. If there is loosness, you'll need new swivel bearings.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:29:35 GMT
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Diesel glow plugs

>Someone posted recently that glow plugs are wired in series. They're not.
>Although they are not wired sequentially, like spark plugs, they are all fed
        They are on 2.25 LR diesels.

>If they were wired in series, current would enter the first one, then go to
>the second one, and so on, till grounding after leaving the last one. If one
>should fail and short open, all would fail to heat up. 
        This is exactly what does happen.
        The 2.5 diesels have their glow plugs wired in parallel though. I
think a kit is available to convert old style series wired glow plugs to the
newer parallel wired ones.

Cheers
Tom
________________________________________________________________________
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SNL Mussel Project			Tel: 01475 530581
University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: The Hillman and Land Rover Connection
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 21:47:00 EST

Look, I know you are all wondering what the heck Hillman cars (made by the 
Rootes Group) have to do with Rovers.

Well, I just found out!

I was reading the latest issue of  "Experience - The Land Rover Magazine" 
(published by Rover Australia) and it states in the article "The Golden 
Years of Land Rover - Series II and IIa: what to choose" that, quote:

"Despite Land Rover's success they hadn't managed to crack the US market. 
 Flat out satisfying home market and colonial demand, US sales had been left 
to Rootes Motors North America.
"RMNA had obviously pushed its Humber, Hillman and Sunbeam products but with 
no four-wheel drive product of its own the company had found a specialist 
market for the Land Rovers.
"The bottom line is that apart from forestry, rescue and other special 
tasks, the Land Rover did not suit US markets."

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
'87 Range Rover
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
(See pix at  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: More old LR advertising etc.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 21:47:00 EST

In the latest issue of  "Experience - The Land Rover Magazine" (published by 
Rover Australia), there are a few more old LR adverts:

"Now Land-Rover takes the smooth with the rough"  - one of the first (?) 
adverts from "Country Life" April 1967 for the SII 6-cylinder 109 station 
wagon.

"With the vehicle we're selling, who'd ever come back?"  (reduced size 
advert).

"For travelling on any land"  Dormobile L-R SII advert from "The Motor" July 
1962

"Ever see the tyres on a Land Rover?"  A modernised version of an Avon tyre 
advert  from Autocar 1969.  Features a muddy LR where the tyres are 
invisible.  May not scan up too well.

BUT, I now have a flat bed scanner so I can do copies if anyone is 
interested.

Also, someone recently asked for copies of some other adverts I have. 
 Unfortunately, in a wild spree of file deletion to recover some disk space, 
I lost the message.  Sorry.  Please email me again.

Because  I now have the scanner, instead of relying on the trouble prone one 
at work, I can do some other articles I have.  One is the review, with lots 
of drawings of the Bavarian Rangie that was published in the Australian 
"Automotive Engineer" and the other is a road test  and review (with 
drawings) of the (then) new 4-door Rangie as published in the Australian 
magazine  "Bush Driver" in October 1982  (9 pages long).

They also had an article "Hi Steppin' Rover" on the caterpillar tracked SIIa 
109 built by Cuthbertsons in the UK (2 pages).

Other adverts I have - an ARB advert from about 1983 which has the Rangie 4 
door as the feature vehicle.

An Asquith & Johnston advert for the Schuler FF System (viscous coupling) RR 
of 1983-84.

Also, in the "Experience" magazine there is a nice little photo of a fleet 
of 19-20 Series I Landies at a Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Authority base 
camp.  The Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme was one of Australia's most 
ambitious civil engineering projects in the Fifties.  It tunnelled miles 
through mountains, built dams etc all to produce hydro-electric power.

The SMHEA used up to 360 Landies on the scheme at one time.

If there is any interest in any of the above, don't hesitate to drop me a 
message on the side.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor, Hillman Owners Club of Australia Newsletter
'87 Range Rover
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
(See pix at  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 08:07:55 -0500
Subject: got my tires, need alloy wheel lug bolts...

Hi all,

Anybody got a set of lug bolts for alloy wheels cheaply?

Also, I somehow lost one rubber dust cap off the hub.  Any idea where
can I get one?

BTW, finally got my 235-85-16s General Grabber MT - very nice. 
very much off-road only tire, also I wish I got a size wider.
These were $89.00 ea at Sam's wholesale, special order only. 
thx
Jan

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:46:40 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.cbr.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Exhaust Headers

A local exhaust shop is clearing their stock of Series LR headers for a
decent price.  Has anyone installed a header on their LR and if so, did it
make a noticable improvement in either economy or performance?

Dean

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Dean Cording                                   ASPECT Computing P/L
                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
Dean@holly.aspect.com.au    (Private)          ACN. 005 083 670

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 19:50:21 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel qualifiers

Daphne Lowe wrote:

>I mean, how do they determine who is going to represent the countries.

Basically, the *survivors* at the end of the selection period.  In the US, 
there are several hundred applicants, and from this 10 go to the team 
selection trials (this year in Georgia).  Four go on to the international 
selections (in Turkey) where two are chosen to represent each nation.  
Overseas, this is a *big* event.  There are *a million* applicants.

To even be considered, you need a resume that reads like a Marine Corps 
recruiting poster - run marathons, be able to live on two hours of sleep, 
*love* mud, have mechanical skills, etc.  Map reading/orienteering skills 
are very important, as well.  Curiously, some of the contenders in the 
recent past have had limited/no four wheel drive experience.

If interested, I'll post the address of the US Camel Trophy coordinator 
tomorrow.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:45:25 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: got my tires, need alloy wheel lug bolts...

We don't use alloy wheels on this list : )

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:50:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: got my tires, need alloy wheel lug bolts...

In a message dated 97-02-24 11:48:31 EST, you write:

<< We don't use alloy wheels on this list : )
 
 Bill Adams >>

Except the steel and rust alloy rims ; )

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 15:42:15 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Public Arguments

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> Dixon Kenner wrote:
> >         <sigh>  I knew I couldn't keep quiet on this subject...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> involved in the ECR thing and offered my support.
> Regards,
> Steve

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@idt.net>
Subject: BSROA PILGRIMAGE TOUR
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:27:04 -0500

LRO's -

Although the 1997 Pilgrimage Tour to the UK was announced in the Nov/Dec =
issue of the Club newsletter - we have decided to CANCEL the event for =
this year!!

The primary reason is the looming 1998 ARC International - celebrating =
the 50th anniversary of LR next year!

We have decided to save up our bullets and make a concerted effort to =
attend in a big way then....

The secondary reason is that last year's Tour spent most of the time in =
Wales - and that is where the event is being hosted this year....

Therefore, there will be an alternate event scheduled to take place in =
May - probably in NH or ME.... Club members will receive notice of same.

Anyone interested in attending the ARC International rally on his/her =
own this year? Please feel free to contact me - I can supply information =
on who, what, when, where....

Thanks!

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:53:52 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck)
Subject: electrolysis

>Something you should be aware of about stainless steel....  Using stainless
>steel fasteners on aluminum structure can result in the gradual
>disappearance of the aluminum structure.  The problem is electrolysis.

Thanks for the reminder, I'm spraying zinc and then a layer of black paint
on one side of all the washers that will come into contact with the Al.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional      
 
               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Matt Koch <MKoch@STSSystems.com>
Subject: Sighted
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:25:07 -0500

A beige Series III 88,  in Montreal, on Sunday Feb. 23rd, going east on
St. Jacques Street coming down the hill near St. Henry around 1:00 pm.

Could this have been someone fron this list?

Matt

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:49:18 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

>Someone posted recently that glow plugs are wired in series. They're not.
Yes,it was me,and sorry John,yes they are.If you look at the wiring
of the standard LR heater plug,the wire from the previous plug fastens
to the top of the next one,and the "exit" wire is insulated from it.
There is an earth wire to the block from the last (no1) plug.
So an internal open circuit in a plug stops the clock altogether.
Compare this to the aftermarket "Dieselglow" plugs,where the wire
is a simple "daisy chain" from plug to plug with no earth wire
necessary.In other words parallel wired.
The original plugs are 2.5V each,a total in series terms of 10V.
Mike Rooth

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:56:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Crank nut/Starter dog size

Hi all,

Anyone off-hand know the head size of the crank nut/ starter dog?  I looks to
be about 1 11/16 (Slightly bigger than my 1 5/8).

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:34:14 -500
Subject: Series II Instrument Panel

The instrument cluster in the recent Rovers North catalogue looks
radically different than what I had expected.  What happened to the
Bakelite integrated light /ignition switch?  And Lord, who added all
the toggles?  Mark
   

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:05:18 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck)

I guess Mr. Smith has opted to return to the list, momentarily, to clear a
few things up for us.

As you may recall his initial response was to call dissatisfied customers
whiners.

>Dear all,
>        I left the list a few days ago just so I could get >back to things
that matter more to me than the whimperings >of Chris Weinbeck and Ben
Newman. But you all have sent me ...

Let me get this straight; I have been dealing with ECR for over a year, been
overcharged and LIED to (how many times can you hear "you should have it
next week" before you call it a lie?  I still don't have that "bill" that
was "mailed yesterday" on 2-11-97) AND I have given them the benefit of the
doubt by keeping quiet up to now.

That makes me a wimp and everything I say "whimpering"???

>        BTW... Ben has been forwarding all your personal >emails to him to
me, how mature. So go for it Ben, I am a >betting man, and I bet we WILL
still be in business in a >year, and if your dream team of bad mouthers
consists of >you, Chris Weinbeck and Myles Murphy, boy do I feel in good
>company without them.:-)

Voicing my problems, after a YEAR makes me a "bad mouther"???

It's a shame that Mike isn't planning to stick around on the list.

I don't think there's anyone who could better represent his company.

Chris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional      
 
               Ask me about East Coast Rover Co.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:11:55 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Public Forum

Dear Fellow Land Rover Owners

To those of you who have supported me, I thank you; for those of you who thought my 
comments out of line, I thank you for sharing your thoughts and I apologize for any 
harm that you think I caused. I consider this forum a brotherhood that bonds together 
because of common interests. I, personally, felt it to be a responsible thing to express 
to my brothers a problem that I had with a merchant. My intentions were 100 percent 
pure in that I wanted those to judge for themselves, like Lorri Paustian articulated so 
well in her comments whether they should investigate this situation for themselves or 
not. I, personally, wasted over $2,000 that I would not have done if someone three 
months ago wrote what I did.

Quite frankly, I thought it would be a service to the group but, of course, I realize you 
cannot please everybody. I would be less than honest if I did not also share with you 
that I was hoping that I would get a refund of my money which, by the way, has not 
and -- looks like -- will not happen voluntarily. Those of you who might doubt my 
sincerity just do not know me. I do not want to get into a debate and try to prove I am 
right and the other guy is wrong. I truly just wanted to bring forth the facts as I 
perceived them to you folks so you can make your own judgments. In the future, I 
think possibly a better way for me to handle situations like this would be to 
superficially mention that I had a problem and for those of you who would like more 
details to correspond with me directly.

Isn't it interesting that this honorable group of Land Rover enthusiasts have such 
divergent opinions. This is what makes this forum interesting for me and I anxiously 
await the digest each day.

Regards,

Benjamin

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From: Brian Tuffs <btuffs@norcen.com>
Subject: Series III Turbo Diesel
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 13:16:00 mst

Hi folks,
I'm a lurker on the edge of the list (rabid digest reader). Got a   
question from a friend about adding a turbo to a recently rebuilt SIII   
2.25l Rover diesel. Anybody tried it? Any comment, advice etc   
appreciated. Also a question regarding helicoils - I have stripped   
threads in my rear hub, easier to replace the hub or to use helicoil   
inserts, from the recent mail I was wondering if this is a DIY job or   
does it require specialist tools?
Looking forward to your replies.
Brian Tuffs

'66 SWB with rag top ("Blue")
'84 L/Cruiser BJ 60 ("Toyah")

ps. good to see a supporting role from a 'Cruiser in "Dante's Peak", no   
Rovers though!

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.boeing.com>
Subject: Capstan winch line
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:46:26 -0800

I am trying to determine the best line to use on a capstan winch.  I
apologize if this subject has been covered in the past, but I didn't see
it at the time.  I have a 1973 Series III-88 with a Fairey Rescue Model
capstan winch (opening fairlead and smooth drum as opposed to ribbed
drum).  For years I have carried a 300-foot polypropylene line of about
6,000 pounds strength (the winch is shearpin limited to 4,000 pounds)
with a reinforced eye spliced into one end.  The line has served me very
well in the past, but although it is kept in a storage box installed in
place of the left hand rear seat to protect if from UV, I feel that
after  20+ years, the line is in definite need of replacement.

I would like to know anyone's opinion as to what constitutes the best
line for a capstan winch.  The advantage of polypropylene is that it
doesn't stretch and doesn't rot if protected from UV.  The disadvantage
is that it can melt when it slips on the drum under pressure.  I
remember reading in a 1973 UK Land Rover club publication that hemp was
the ideal line for capstan winches, but of course it breaks down over
time and is susceptible to rot.  If anyone in the UK (or anywhere else)
has had experience with Fairey capstan winches I would appreciate
hearing their opinions on the best line to use.  Thanks.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@pss.boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:50:47 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Series III Turbo Diesel

Re: add-on turbo...
May last slightly longer than the musical career of Kajagoogoo. If lack 
of power is the problem, first try a high-flow air cleaner, fatter 
exhaust and tuned up diesel pump and valvetrain. The engine is well 
designed for it's intended purpose. It is never going to be a powerhouse, 
nor will the addition of a turbo afford even respectable acceleration. It 
is best for low-end grunt, downhill fully-loaded engine braking, idling 
through a bog, and fording waist-deep waters. If he's getting ribbed by 
his J**p and T*y*t* friends, tell him to adjust his attitude...he has the 
best 4x4xfar.

What threads are stripped ? Did you unscrew a lug stud? Have Joe Bob at 
the local machine shop look at it.
When one of mine did this, I just ran it back in and hammered the 
backside so that it wouldn't unscrew anymore (hub off!)
Helicoils are an abomination sent from the devil, one-half step above 
bubble gum as a repair measure.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:32:33 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Power Oddities

Hard to believe that someone would blow off the buy over $20 worth of 
parts. Did you mention that you had just driven it from Florida? Oh well.
The power problem is not a really big deal in terms of operating the 
truck....you can always roll start it (even with dead glow plugs), just 
that you won't have lights after dark. But I'd first of all check each 
and every connection to be sure it is clean and tight and that everything 
is routed properly.
Just to let you know, my diesel typically runs a high charging level just 
after starting ( gee, a small battery drain maybe?) and after a few 
minutes, falls to 0 charging. No ignition system means no real current 
draw save accessories.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:07:55 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Capstan winch line

Of course hemp line of 6K test is like, way fat. And heavy, and even 
heavier when wet. And stiff. And can't be stored wet. And frays easily. 
And you have to splice, parcel and serve the eye. If it parts, it 
unravels for miles along its length.
OK enough about the good points, what are the disadvantages?
Kidding aside, you obviously need a modern no stretch marine sheeting 
line for this application. In this you have a wide variety of choices, 
none of which are cheap. Most of the lines that will fill the bill will 
run in the $2-3.00 per foot range. 
Most have a very tough Dacron sheath and a core of Dacron, or even 
Kevlar. They won't stretch, won't melt or wear ( as they're designed for 
winching) and you can stow them wet. They're very supple and flake 
nicely. Some you can eyesplice by simply running the bitter end back 
inside with a fid. If they part ( I think NOT), they usually make cotton 
candy at the site and you therefore save more line. 
A trip to the local marine supply is in order. Tell the counter dude what 
you want the line for, and they'll hook you up.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:22:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Size of the starter dog/crank nut ANSWER

Hi all,

Went to Sears and bought a 1 11/16 socket and a 1/2 to 3/4 adaptor.  The
socket fit and I would recommend putting a 3 foot section of pipe to the end
of a 18" socket handle.  I applied a steady firm pressure at the end and the
nut came loose without even one blow from the 8 lb "fine adjustment tool"
(read sledge).

So, 1 11/16 socket is the one.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:29:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Tie-rod end question...

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca> wrote:

>I have difficulty fitting ties-rod ends to the Ser IIA. It seems that when I
>turn the crown nut to bolt them to the swivel-pin housing, the ball-joint
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>know how to fit those who have the nipple on the bottom, with a bottle jack,
>but have no idea on how to install the other ones. 

Try a lever pushing down on the tie-rod end...this should get you enough 
friction to allow tightening the nut.  Make sure the threads are clear so that 
you can easily tighten down the nut to the point that the shaft "grabs".  An 
impact wrench also helps....

>No, I will not turn the vehicle upside down.

Why not?  Its not that bad...:)

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:48:53 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: More old LR advertising etc.
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Beckett, Ron wrote:
> .........Hello Ron. Ads are pretty good nostalgia and the modern LandRover Sales 

Dept trade on them and "SMHEA" type nostalgia. I think it reinforces the 
character of Defender models etc, and contrasts the characterless, 
pedigreeless jap stuff. Anyway I have a question about the au-lro list. 
Did you post this message to the au-lro? Or the us-lro or what? Iam 
supposedly subscribed to both, but can't notice any identifier to pick 
which list the messages are posted to.
Did nt the Austin 1800 beat the Rootes Hillman in the London to Sydney? 
(stir- cloak device on)...
RF

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:01:38 -0600
From: The Lizzard King <council@pop.gcnet.com>
Subject: Re: Kaplan,Richard and email

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> Whatever the message Richard Kaplan is trying get through my computer
> doesn't like it.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Kindly change the content or stop posting it please.
> Steve

	Not only does mine not like it but now that its here I cannot throw it
away, or even read it the mere act of trying tho red it crashes  My
browser. I have had other problems like this, from other lists and the
messages still set unread in my mailbox. Advice is welcome

				Nathaniel

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:04:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Exhaust Headers

>A local exhaust shop is clearing their stock of Series LR headers for a
>decent price.  Has anyone installed a header on their LR and if so, did it
>make a noticable improvement in either economy or performance?

I put headers on my IIa 20 years ago or so.  Not for performance, but 
because of two cracked intake manifolds in a row.  It's been so long, I 
couldn't tell you if there was a difference, but at 340,000 miles she 
seems to be running better than new.  The downsides are:  1) You loose 
the intake preheat from the exhaust manifold which can result in carb 
icing in certain weather conditions.  2) You get some goofey fit 
problems.  Because the manifold bolt spreader no longer has anything to 
push on some sort of spacer needs to be improvised.  3)  The header I 
installed required that the original pipe (manifold to tail pipe) be 
modified.  Now, 20 years down the road, I've got some pretty original 
pipe bending under there to replace the rotted original.

My 2cents

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:36:36 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re:THE KAPLAN MYSTERY

The Lizzard King wrote:
> Steve Stoneham wrote:
> > Whatever the message Richard Kaplan is trying get through my computer
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> browser. I have had other problems like this, from other lists and the
> messages still set unread in my mailbox. Advice is welcome
>                                 Nathaniel
I have just solved the Kaplan Mystery after two days of my netscape 3.0
crashing every time I try to read it. My norton couldn't find it in the
inbox. file, and I couldn't delete it without first selecting it, which
of course crashed the system again and again.

Solution - select the posting above kaplan in your inbox, then, using
shift and mouse click, select the posting below kaplan's. Now all three
are selected (dark grey bar) - press DELETE - all three postings will
now be deleted. Now, without opening your TRASH box, go to the File menu
and select Empty Trash folder.

Kaplan is now out of your system - though I wonder what havoc he may
have wreaked whilst he was in the system. Is he a virus, sent from
alt.j**p.4wd?

Good luck - but don't try to read the kaplan file if you haven't already
done so, then you should be safe!
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:47:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Replacement Keys 

           About a week ago, Someone requested info on original keys for
Land-Rovers. 
  In the British Marque News, there is an ad for keys cut to match the code
on your
  ignition switch. The name is Pete Groh in Maryland; his number is
410-758-2352.
  Good Luck
                             Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:23:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

>Someone posted recently that glow plugs are wired in series. They're not.
>Yes,it was me,and sorry John,yes they are.If you look at the wiring
>of the standard LR heater plug,the wire from the previous plug fastens
>to the top of the next one,and the "exit" wire is insulated from it.

Well, I learn something every day! I think I pointed out that all the diesels
I had experience had glow plugs wired in parallel, including the old
Peugeots, which had the CAV system.
Figures. Only the POD would wire something like an old Xmas tree; one bulb
went and check them all!
If I had a whole LR diesel, I'd go with the new style GPs.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 06:56:45 -0800
From: con & greg <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Kaplan Mystery Text

To All...
      The message I received from Kaplan ( for those who couldn't read 
it) is as follows ver batum:
        "Please note that, due to internal system changes, my only 
functional e-mail address (though why you might wish to send a message, I 
cannot imagine) will now be:  rk61m@nih.gov

     Hope this helps,
     Regards, Con Seitl
     1973 88   Pig
     1962 88   Millie
     and an assortment of "Projects"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:52:32 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: THE KAPLAN MYSTERY..

>I have just solved the Kaplan Mystery after two days of my netscape 3.0 
crashing every time I tried to read it.

Many thanks to the Kaplan Case sleuths!

I was getting a bit perturbed especially considering I have three of
those messages on my email inbox and thought it best to leave them
there..

Regards,
Steve

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:29:53 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Thank you.

At 07:05 AM 2/22/97 +1100, you wrote:
>Mae West said "It is better to be looked over than overlooked!"

Maybe so, but I'll be she didn't send folks to the whorehouse when they
asked where the police station was.

That's an amusing quote, but entirely irrelevant.  The heart of the matter
is that you're abusing a system designed to help people for your own
personal gain.  That's no worse than stealing.  It may not be illegal, but
it's still wrong.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:27:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

my 1966 series IIA SW still has the original KLG glow plugs in it with
over 340,000 miles and yes they are wired in series

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:46:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Diesel's

My 66 diesel will do an indicated (and we have no idea how optimistic
the speedo is) 62 mph in 4th gear and can hit about 66-68 indicated in
overdrive but your hearing will definitely suffer at these unroverlike
velocities - i agree that evrybody's much happier at a more reasonable
50-55 mph even in overdrive. the big advantage of the overdrive for the
diesel is that the noise level is signifigantly reduced at cruising
speed and that it allows you to split shift to keep the engine at a
good torque peak- third overdrive is a great hill climbing gear on the
pavement. balancing all of the rotating masses in the engine helps
tremendously as i have seen some pretty signifigant variations in
piston weights straight out of the box. my truck has something like
340,000 miles on it with only one rebuild (at about 200,000 miles).
Interstate cruise speed is normally about 60 with overdrive engaged but
conversation with your passenger is all but impossible. much better to
slow down and take the blue highways and enjoy the scenery-

jack walter
66 109 SW 'Eeyore"
67 88 PU 'Pooh"
91 Range Rover Hunter 
56 Porsche Carrera Coupe
56 Porsche Sunroof Coupe
72 Ossa Pioneer

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:52:58 +1100
Subject: No Worries
From: "Miss 4wd's" <anda@fwd.com.au>

Dear Uncle Roger, 
I do respect you and the extra time and effort you have placed on my
business. Hence the phrase it is better to be looked over than overlooked.
"Before you argue with a fool make sure he is not similarily occupied"
W.G.P. If you wish to have any more banter please refrain from using the
list as the content as we have been told needs to be of Land Rover content. 

Cheers,
Miss 4wd's
----------
> From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Capstan winch line
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:16:18 -0800

Does anyone know if LR provided a manual for their capstan winches?

Frank

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:21:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

>I  think  have a look at a 2.25 LR You will see that the glow plugs 
>are in series. 

Next time I'll drive over to Jack Walter's and check out his 109 oil burner,
before I sound off! Thanks for the heads up, list!

BTW, I *do* still have those diesel bits FS.

Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, just about a couple dozen satisfied
customers!! 

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:53:24 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Eco Trek on Discovery Channel

>        For the past four hours I have been watching the Eco Trek, sponsored
>by Land Rover, on the Discovery Channel.  Awsome!!  If only I was in good

Wow! You guys are lucky to have a channel entirely devoted to LRs!
Is there a Defender Channel as well???     =8->

Tony.

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:36:16 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Series II Instrument Panel

At  2:34 PM 2/24/97 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
;
>The instrument cluster in the recent Rovers North catalogue looks
>radically different than what I had expected.  What happened to the
;Bakelite integrated light /ignition switch?  And Lord, who added all
>the toggles?  Mark
;
They changed them in the later Series IIA.  You were looking at a late IIA
panel and are used to looking at the early IIA panel.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:29:27 -0500
From: Douglas and Leslie Boehme <SCHAILEY-BOEHME@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Rusting D90 doors

A friend of mine with a '94 D90 Hardtop hybrid just recently discovered 
rust on the inside of his doors.  Well, fearing the worst, I plan on 
doing the same next weekend...  My friend mentioned acid-etching paint 
from DuPont for painting the frame inside the door (once the rust has 
been removed.).  Any thoughts?  Does anyone have a suggestion as to 
where one might find such paint?

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:02:37 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Public Arguments II

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> Dixon Kenner wrote:
>>   <sigh> I knew I couldn't keep quite on this this subject...
      [truncated by lro-lite  (was 20 lines) ]
>involved in the ECR thing and offered my support.

truncated: akin to falling off ones soap box mid speech...

I'll have one last shot at.
My reasoning in suggesting this to the list was that by not mentioning
names it would allow for some leeway for reparations to be made.
(assuming the other party was on the list and if they thought it was
warranted)

Let me add that I've sent personnel email to at least one of the two
gentlemen involved in the ECR thing offering my support.

Regards,
Steve

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:43:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@magnet.mt>
Subject: Mysterious Oil blow

Yesterday I found the fault that was troubling me all weekend.  

The problem began when I opened the bonnet of my Series III and found large 
quantity of fresh engine oil all over the engine bay.  I thought that it was a 
sudden blowby but when I lifted the breathers and accelerated the engine no oil 
came out.  I thought then from where it is coming?

The problem was a jammed air cleaner.  Somehow the oil in the air cleaner was 
being forced out of the air cleaner.  I bought some petrol (As mine is a diesel) 
and gave the offending cleaner a petrol bath.  No wonder, it was clogged.  When 
everything had dried I refitted everything and made a test drive.  No more oil 
spillage.!!!

Has anyone experienced such a problem!!!!

About names my truck was christianed Sherman.

Thanks
Geoffrey

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:44:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

>Very silly, really, especially if one of them plugs decides to bail
>out just before you want to go to work... (real experience talking) I
>allways keep a spare.

I find my lorry will catch after about 20 seconds of cranking 
without the glowplugs. Guess the continuous pressure cycling warms 
up the cylinders enough. Probably not work in winter tho.

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:08:16 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Glow plug wiring

I find my lorry will catch after about 20 seconds of cranking
>without the glowplugs. Guess the continuous pressure cycling warms
>up the cylinders enough. Probably not work in winter tho.

My 2.25 only needs about twenty seconds on "heat" first thing in
the morning,in reasonably warm weather.After that it starts first
go.I think having a good battery,and starter connections are crucial.
The engine cranks faster,and sarts quicker.

Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:27:12 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Low Sulphur Diesel.

I,ve been talking to a local,and competant,mechanic on the subject
of diesel fuel,after two of the departmental vans were seen by the
fuzz laying smoke screens.Fortunately friendly fuzz!
It seems he has a friend that works for the Motor Industry Research
Association,who has been conducting tests on low sulphur fuel.
The upshot seems to be that low sulphur is fine for city based
delivery vehicles,taxis,and urban dwellers generally.It performs
as advertised,with much reduced emmissions.But.On the open road
it performs badly,with a noteable lack of power.It also,apparently,
tends to damage the rotary injection pump,possibly from a certain
lack of lubricity.This can be got over by adding...well..something
(he wouldnt tell me what,except its made in Canada)but the performance
thing remains.
I tried this out.With low sulphur fuel in the tank I went up a local
hill.Before I got to the top,I was in third.A week later,with
ordinary diesel in the tank I did the entire hill in top,and another,
which I had never succeeded taking in top before.This time I did.
The engine smokes more with ordinary fuel,not a lot,but noticeable.
The mechanics advice was if you *do* use low sulphur,slip in the odd
tankful of ordinary diesel.Apparently this has the lubricant additive,
and enough remains to do the job.I'm told you dont need much.
I admit the experiment is totally unscientific,and I offer the above
so that folk can take what notice they choose.
On the same front,it was reported in the Times last weekend,that a
South American scientist has set up a company in the UK to produce
an additive to diesel.Water.Plus some chemical that makes the
water bond to the oil.It is currently under test(he calls it
"emulsified" fuel.It drastically reduces emmissions,and should
cost no more than conventional fuel.Apparently the water aids
complete combustion.Sounds hopeful.Whacky,but hopeful.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:33:37 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Rusting D90 doors

Douglas and Leslie Boehme wrote:
> A friend of mine with a '94 D90 Hardtop hybrid just recently discovered
> rust on the inside of his doors.  Well, fearing the worst, I plan on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Douglas Boehme
> '95 Red D90 #2767
I don't now about the Defenders, but with series IIIs the rust on the
doors can only be combatted fully by stripping the aluminium cladding
from the steel frame and cleaning the frame, painting it with a good
rust paint, and then remouting the similarly rustpainted cladding. I
recommend a liberal application of heavy silicon mastic onver the steel
surfaces which will mate with alu, as this also helps prevent (retard
the onset of) corrosion.

The stripping of cladding is easy - and if necessary, making a new
aluminium cladding is very simple and can be cut with a handtool. Only
the hole for the door handle is tricky, cut the hole about ½ inch
smaller all the way round, then beat the sides over to a round edge with
a ball pein hammer. 4 pop-rivets is all it takes to refit - plus folding
the edges over.

This process is really worth it - as an extra you could galvanise the
steel frame!

Good luck!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Low Sulphur Diesel.
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 11:41:04 GMT

> On the same front,it was reported in the Times last weekend,that a
> South American scientist has set up a company in the UK to produce
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> cost no more than conventional fuel.Apparently the water aids
> complete combustion.Sounds hopeful.Whacky,but hopeful.

Putting water in fuel to aid combustion has been known about for a while.
Quite amusing as I saw that "Tomorrow's World" picked up on it recently and
thought it was something wonderfully new.

I think the main problem is getting a good mix - we all know what water can
do to engines!  
The mixing problem should be solved by the emulsion, I would have thought.

Richard (ex-Gurkha Siii 109 FFR)

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