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1 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@15Heater Design Question
2 Michel Bertrand [mbertra45Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
3 ericz@cloud9.net 30Re: Sighting...
4 ericz@cloud9.net 23Re: Rover Friends
5 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s37Re: GPS
6 u940470@studbo.hit.no (B12weels and tyres
7 JDolan2109@aol.com 23Fashions- 1 pc or 2?
8 "John J. Tackley" [jtack24$17,000.00 ??
9 Brian Neily [briann@ici.17RE:Pure Road Tires
10 NADdMD@aol.com 78Fwd: Seventeen Manufacturers Will Stage Debuts at the 1997 New York Internati...
11 DEMCOKARL@aol.com 12Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)
12 marsden@digicon-egr.co.u16Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
13 Michel Bertrand [mbertra36Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
14 NADdMD@aol.com 22Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)
15 NADdMD@aol.com 17Reassembly oil
16 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M15Re: Serious Request for Response (No L-R Content)
17 Mike Gaines [106220.123419Re: LR Names
18 "Thorsten Klein" [kleit017Lfor Williams adress ?
19 Sanna@aol.com 29Re: Heater Design Question
20 "Tom Gross [ESRI-Redland42Re: Private Problems, Public Forum
21 "Bren & Lynne' Workman" 16Swivel pin housing
22 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr21Re: Private Problems, Public Forum
23 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr29Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)
24 "Herman L. Stude" [herma11Re: Private Problems, Public Forum
25 Easton Trevor [Trevor_Ea10BB List
26 gpool@pacific.net (Granv19Re: Private Problems, Public Forum
27 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr50FWD in Aus
28 lroshop@idirect.com 20Re: FWD in Aus
29 Adrian Redmond [channel644Re: Freakin' Glow Plugs!
30 "Miss 4wd's" [anda@fwd.c19[not specified]
31 Leland J Roys [roys@hpke23Warn recommends 700 CCA
32 David Cockey [dcockey@ti17Re: weels and tyres
33 lroshop@idirect.com 19Re: Thank you.
34 n4ptk@InfoAve.Net 31Re: Reassembly oil
35 lroshop@idirect.com 21Dealer Service
36 n4ptk@InfoAve.Net 30Re: Warn recommends 700 CCA
37 David W Scott [birddog@a23wiper motors
38 Joe Schaefer [joes@olymp24Re: Warn recommends 700 CCA
39 sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org 7[not specified]
40 sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org 7[not specified]
41 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr22RE: Unleaded in LR V8 ??
42 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr61Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)
43 rovah@agate.net (John Ca38Public Arguments
44 CAMARO380@aol.com 14exaust systems
45 CAMARO380@aol.com 14electrical systems
46 fhyap@ix.netcom.com 55Re: Public Arguments (NON LR CONTENT)
47 Allan Smith [smitha@cand32Re: Serious Request for Response (No L-R Content)
48 "David M. Schwarz" [dsch17BMW Owners
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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:33:14 -500
Subject: Heater Design Question

Anthony,
Your Mansfield heater sounds wonderful.
How do they get so much heat?  How is it designed?

For the Thermodynamic students in this group:
Specifically, for a given heater, if one adds a second heater core in
series, does the heat outpt increase?  Should the cores be added in 
parallel?  Or is money best spent on a larger blower motor?
Mark

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:00:39 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup

At 08:54 97-02-21 GMT, you wrote:

-
>Well, had a look lastnight. My exhaust does go through a hole in the x-member
>(I thought it did). The /\ I mentioned over the mount, is inline with a 
-"bolt-on" crossmember that looks quite thin.
>Th exhaust also has a /\ which is inline with the rear axle and bump stop.
>(I thought it did). The /\ I mentioned over the mount, is inline with a 
-The bump stop is below the exhaust at this point.
>The exhaust-stop distance is less than the axle-stop distance. Didn't measure
>it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
-and the ground was wet!
>The exhaust-stop distance is less than the axle-stop distance. Didn't measure
>it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
-Hope this helps,
>This chassis is believed original - the Army took delivery of the vehicle in
>it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
-January 1973. The exhaust was fitted complete by Blanchards in East Yorkshire,
>just before they sold it to me. They're military specialists.
>it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
-
>Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)
>it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
-

Do you also have a hole in the crossmember that is between the gearbox
crossmember and the rear crossmember? I just spoke to Lanny (the guy who
handles all the specials at Rover's North) and he tells me that the pipe has
to go through that crossmember. The problem is that I don't have such a hole
in it.

Thanks for having a look for me,  
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:16:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Sighting...

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> wrote:
>ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>> Just flipping through the U.S. Cavalry catalog (neat, if you need to outfit a
>> paramilitary organization or start your own country)  Page 26 features a 
"NATO
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>>  Not just any one either....a White 109" Regular with a Dormobile 
Roof....(guess
>> the camo net isn't that good :)
>At this risk of blowing my own horn, I sent this in about a year ago to RN
>and did actually manage to get a coffee cup out of it. :)
>cheers,

Congratulations....couldn't belive my eyes when I saw it was a Dormobile.  Any 
idea who it belongs to?  Terri-Ann denies ownership.....

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:16:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Rover Friends

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net> wrote:
 The problem I was having in Florida was my brakes became very soft; a simple 
problem to remedy, I thought. 

A word of caution....the brakes on Land Rovers are of a 30 year old design.  
They will not pull you down to a screeching halt, no matter how they've been 
fixed.  I would recommend having a non-financially interested Rover person try 
out the brakes when they're finished to let you know if the performance is up to 
par.  If you're comparing the brakes to a modern vehicle, you will never be 
satisfied.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:07:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: GPS

In re: GPS

Garmin has a great handheld that has only been out a little while now- the
GPS II.  It is one  of the smaller ones on the market, but the backlit
viewing screen can be viewed in Portrait format when you are holding it,
or in Landscape for a much bigger view when it is at  rest.  Also, it was
designed with three sides, a triangular tube, so it can be set on a
dashboard or other flat surface with  no mounting hardware.  Of course,I
think the usual options are available for it and it is relatively well
priced at about ~$250.

HappyRovering!
ss>

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
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	|___________________|_______________|---------------\
	|  []    []    []   |		    | 0		    |)
	|                   |--]	    |               |		
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      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:31:15 +0100
From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid)
Subject: weels and tyres

Do anyone know were I can buy wheels with negative offset. I want the axle 
to look wider. I know that North Staff 4*4 centre sells the new Dragon, but 
what is the offset. Will Dragon 8*16 with BF.Goodrich 265*75*16 fit my 1963 
88" ? Picture at my home page: http://bolinux1.hit.no/~u940470/

Bengt M. Tovslid
Norway

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:35:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fashions- 1 pc or 2?

I'm not gonna step in the 'doo'...

So, what I really want to know is-
What are the fashionably conscious wearing this season? I talking about
polybushes. I'm familiar with the easy to install 2 piece variety, but
recently saw a less expensive 1 piece version. My consideration is, how
difficult is it to get the large outer 'flange' of the bush's poly material
to completely pass through the bore of the bushing retainer (which it would
have to do)? When I was at school, axiom #2 of 3 for CE was "you can't push a
rope".
"nicky" is about to get new springs up front, and I'll replace the frame
mount bushes at the same time. Mud season is pending (tread deeply?).....
see 'ya on the old road...
jim  '61 88" w/OD, 1 Bbl weber, 16's, hubs (econobox?) "nicky"
Bethel, Vt.
jdolan2109@aol.com
LR... quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:57:51 -500
Subject: $17,000.00 ??

Run very fast to a bookshop and get a copy of Hemmings, if only to 
determine that $17k is a bit high as LRs go, as in, like, Everest is a bit high 
as hills go.  There are plenty of very fine IIA or III 88s available, albeit 
at inflated prices due to current popularity of the breed, within the 
8k to 12k range.  Unless, of course this one is a shortened RR chassis, 
coiler conversion with a big GM V8 Diesel transplant, and maybe 
a RR (or Hummer) body...
Or, I could be wrong.
But then again, I thought I was wrong once, but I was merely mistaken.

Seriously, check out one of the many sites available on the net, join 
a club and talk to members, take some time and you will find the 
truck of your dreams....for a tad less than you are presently 
considering.
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:26:29 -0500
From: Brian Neily <briann@ici.net>
Subject: RE:Pure Road Tires

I have set of Bridgestone Duellers.  Fine tires for highway and great on
the beach. They also perform extremly well on wet roads (no
hydroplanning). I have a picture of them on my sold Land Rover page at
http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/briann/landrover.html  Check the soft top
pictures, you can just about make out the tread design.

>Anyone know of any 100% road/0% offroad tread pattern tyres in 205R16 
>radials? Something where the ribs run all the way round the 
>circumference for maxmum tyre life like on proper truck tyres?

Brian Neily
94 D90

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:40:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fwd: Seventeen Manufacturers Will Stage Debuts at the 1997 New York Internati...

Might be worth a trip to New York...

<< WHITESTONE, N.Y., Feb. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- The 1997 New York International
 Auto Show is proud to announce that at least seventeen automotive
 manufacturers will introduce vehicles at this year's Show.  A spectacular
 showcase of more than 1,000 cars and trucks, the '97 Show will feature
 worldwide debuts from Chevrolet, Jeep, Land Rover, Lincoln-Mercury, Porsche,
 and Subaru. >>

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Forwarded message:
From:	AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net
Date: 97-02-21 09:32:16 EST

    WHITESTONE, N.Y., Feb. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- The 1997 New York International
Auto Show is proud to announce that at least seventeen automotive
manufacturers will introduce vehicles at this year's Show.  A spectacular
showcase of more than 1,000 cars and trucks, the '97 Show will feature
worldwide debuts from Chevrolet, Jeep, Land Rover, Lincoln-Mercury, Porsche,
and Subaru.
          "We are delighted that so many companies have chosen New York as
the venue
for introducing their vehicles to the world for the very first time," said
John LaSorsa, Chairman of the Greater New York Automobile Dealers
Association's (GNYADA) Auto Show Committee.  "Because we are located in the
financial, media, and cultural capital of the world, the New York
International Auto Show is a natural setting for global debuts, and that's
before you consider the Show's annual public attendance of more than
1.2 million visitors.  If you want to get the most attention from the largest
gathering of prominent opinion leaders and decision makers, there is no
better
place to make a splash than New York City."
          Only Subaru has announced the name of its worldwide introduction:
the
Impreza 2.5 RS.  Chevrolet, Land Rover, Jeep, Lincoln-Mercury, and Porsche
have not yet released which models they will be introducing.  Details on
these
debuts will be available in the coming weeks.
          "These introductions mean a great deal to the New York
International Auto
Show, and to the Tri-State new car and truck retailers," said Doug Callahan,
President of the GNYADA, the organization that puts on the Show.  "This is a
very important sales region for the automakers, and the retailers see a
direct
benefit in showroom traffic and sales from the attention generated by these
high profile debuts."
          North American introductions will include the A4 sedan, wagon,
Avant and a
concept car from Audi, the Forester from Subaru, Volkswagen's special edition
cars, as well as vehicles from Volvo and Nissan.  Regional intros are
expected
from Acura (3.5 RL navigation system), Buick (Regal, Regal Gran Sport and
Richard Tyler Riviera), Ford (Contour SVT, Ranger Zx2, Santa Fe, Tremor),
Isuzu , and Mercedes-Benz who will display a concept car.  And while these
intros are confirmed, there may be some last-minute additions, including
several last-minute world introductions.
          All of the above mentioned cars and trucks will be present for the
first
time in the Tri-State Area at the New York International Automobile Show,
which runs March 29 through April 6 at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center
in Manhattan.
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From: DEMCOKARL@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:40:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)

Thanks for the info on the Series IIA.  I am working on the price, but it
does have a lot of extras.  Is there any listing of values for this truck and
the extras?

Thank you 
Karl

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 14:47:45 GMT

> >it, or crawl underneath for a detailed examination as it was cold and windy,
> -
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> to go through that crossmember. The problem is that I don't have such a hole
> in it.

Yep, that's the cross member I mean.
There's a little "bolt-on" one beneath the gearbox (inline with the 
gearbox mounts), then a "proper" one with two holes, (propshaft and exhaust)
then the rear x-member.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:22:59 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup

At 14:47 97-02-21 GMT, you wrote:

>Yep, that's the cross member I mean.
>There's a little "bolt-on" one beneath the gearbox (inline with the 
-gearbox mounts), then a "proper" one with two holes, (propshaft and exhaust)
>then the rear x-member.
>There's a little "bolt-on" one beneath the gearbox (inline with the 
-
>then the rear x-member.
There should be another crossmember between the one with two holes behind
the gearbox and the rear crossmember. (Actually, when looking at a diagram
of a SW frame, there is two crossmembers between these two, one of them
looks to be about 8 inches from the rear crossmember.) Anyway, there is a
crossmember where the front of the rear springs attach to the frame. I was
told that on a military model, the exhaust pipe is supposed to go through it
just like it also goes through the one behind the gearbox. My chassis has
the exhaust hole in the crossmember behind the gearbox, but not in the next
one. Is that normal?

Thanks for your quick reply, 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:43:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)

In a message dated 97-02-21 09:42:13 EST, you write:

 Thanks for the info on the Series IIA.  I am working on the price, but it
 does have a lot of extras.  Is there any listing of values for this truck
and
 the extras? >>

Check the FAQ, it lists a few things such as freewheel hubs, winches,
tropical top etc.  I would say that for 17 K, it had better be close to a new
car (rebuilt engine and tranny, new swivel balls, good diffs, good steering
and new brakes (shoes, drums and lines anyway), and probably new clutch) with
near perfect bodywork, new chassis and be pretty tricked out with extras.
 17K can do a very nice restoration even if you buy everything from RN.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:51:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Reassembly oil

A day or so ago someone asked about special oil to apply to reassemble
engines which would allow long term storage.  I only saw a couple of
responses to this but it seemed like there might be more info which was sent
privately.  Could I get this info?  I am presently tearing down an engine and
I hope to rebuild it over the next couple of months.  I asked at the local
auto parts store (marginal place) and they had no idea what I was talking
about.

Thanks,
Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:12:13 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Serious Request for Response (No L-R Content)

     The word "acceptable" is closest in meaning to --
        a.  "perfect"
>        b.  "excellent"
>        c.  "good enough"
>        d.  "bad"
For my money,its c).But surely it depends on your point of view?
After all,to some people only perfection is acceptable etc.An
explanation of the circumstances woiuld perhaps help.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:46:28 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: LR Names

Hi All,

My Slll Lightweight was dubbed Wicked wanda after the (LR-normal) steering
charectaristics. I,d wanted a L/wt after passing my test in one about  20
yrs ago in the air force--I'd meanwhile forgotten what  <fun> they really
were. My wife Maureen's Tdi Defender is called "The Proper One " by her and
 "That Tin Thing"  by me (mine is a ragtop). Our Slobrador,  Buster,  seems
to prefer the L/wt as he  likes to windsurf his ears in the numerous
drafts.

What a lovely no-bitching thread--my faith is restored after the depressing
reading of the last  week or so.
Cheers,
Mike Gaines

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From: "Thorsten Klein" <kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Lfor Williams adress ?
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:43:07 +0100

Hello all!

I am looking for the adress from Lfor Williams. A friend of mine without
internet access needs it.

Thanks in advance, TEK

Thorsten Klein
LR 88 S III Lightweight
Mainz, Germany
kleit001@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:45:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Heater Design Question

>Anthony,
>Your Mansfield heater sounds wonderful.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>parallel?  Or is money best spent on a larger blower motor?
>Mark

The Mansfield is pretty much a bolt on replacement for the original LR 
Bulkhead heater.  RN says 6 hours to do the job (at least when I got mine 
15 years ago).  Mine took a lot longer, however, since it was one of the 
first ones they sold and I had to do a bit of modifications to it.  

More heat is simply a factor of a bigger core (same fan I think - it's 
been a while).  The trick is to get the right core & fabricate a box that 
will fit the limited space of the LR. Others on this list may have some 
junkyard solutions for you.  I bought mine already solved from RN.

 

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:28:47 -0800
From: "Tom Gross [ESRI-Redlands]" <tgross@esri.com>
Subject: Re: Private Problems, Public Forum

Hello,

I am new to the list, however, I am fairly old.  I sold my 1960 Series II 109
about 20 years ago, but I recently bought a 1967 Series IIa NADA 109.  This 
brings me to Mr. Smith and Dr. Newman.  First of all, I'd like to publicly
apologize to Dr. Newman.  It seems that I sent him a snippy personal email 
wondering why anyone would ship a vehicle 1000 miles for a brake job.  Sorry,
Dr. Newman.

The question for me is, "How bleepin' exotic are these NADA vehicles?"  
The 6-cylinder engine:
  Water pump different than Euro spec engine.
  Head different than Euro spec engine.
  Evidently, valve cover is different, because I'm cutting out my own gaskets.
  Air cleaner paper element, can use mid-50's Jaguar elements.

The rest of the vehicle:
  Fuel pump - my original is long gone.
  Brake system.
  Windshield wipers.
  
My request to the list is for any information about what is different and
how do I get around the unavailability of parts for specific items.  Please
keep in mind that, unlike Dr. Newman, I do not have the wherewithall to buy
a different engine.  For instance, the celebrated brake system.  Is a NADA 
brake system so different that it requires a "Master Craftsman" to repair it?  
Or is it the same old Land Rover brake system after the fluid gets out of
the servo-master cylinder?  Can I use Euro spec exhaust valves if I need to
replace them.  Is there a way to adapt a Euro spec water pump to a NADA 
6-cylinder?  Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Tom Gross

P.S.  Regarding road tires.  I heartily recommend the Bridgestone Duellers
      recommended by Brian Neily.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:36:32 -0500
From: "Bren & Lynne' Workman" <bworkman@alaska.net>
Subject: Swivel pin housing

I response to Bill Adams's swivel pin input:
  Come on Bill, I wouldn't insult the integrity of a Rover by running a
dry swivel housing!  I broke the damb thing off after filling it with 75
wt oil (unfortunately a must in the sub-arctic).  However, the gear oil
that came out was frothy and full of foam, does this indicate any
problems.  Also, when I turn hard left and accelerate I seem to get a
wobble feel in the left tire area.  I have rebuilt my steering relay
unit and replaced all six tie rod ends, so I don't think it's that. 
Does this sound like a bearing problem?  Thanks for your continued help,
Bren Workman. 
> bworkman@alaska.net  '72 Ser III 88"  "Tilly"

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:35:31 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Private Problems, Public Forum

At 05:12 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have found the last few days on LRO pretty discouraging.  I feel like I 

>Please understand that I make no judgements here about who did what to whom 
>and who is in the wrong.  People have been badly hurt financially and 
>reputationally. I just don't want to see it discussed at length in this 

Well said, and I concur.  Keep private stuff private.  Keep LRO for talking
about LR's not LRO's.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:35:38 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)

At 03:28 PM 2/20/97 -0700, T.F. Mills wrote:
>#< I am thinking of purchasing a 1970 Land Rover Series 88IIA.  I live in
>#< be used as a daily driver.  The seller is asking $17,000.  The vehicle is

Does that $17K include the trophies from all the shows where it won 1st
place?  $17K US seems pretty steep for an 88".  Sure, they can be used as a
daily driver; plenty of people do.  It will require maintenance, perhaps a
little more than a brand new modern car, but there' no reason why it wouldn't.  

>#< completely restored.  Is this in the right neighborhood?

A 109", I'd say yes, that's what they seem to be selling for.  88's aren't
so expensive AFAIK.

>#< Is there anything that I should know about the heaters in these things 
Heater?  What heater?  8^)  Seriously, Does it have a kodiak?  If not, there
might as well not be a heater.  

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:45:41 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Private Problems, Public Forum

>I have found the last few days on LRO pretty discouraging.  I feel like I
> >Please understand that I make no judgements here about who did what to whom
> >and who is in the wrong.  People have been badly hurt financially and
> >reputationally. I just don't want to see it discussed at length in this

Me too!

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: BB List
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:31:00 -0500

The Birmabright brotherhood has grown and several members report
problems with the attached file (It was a plain old Notepad text file).
I've printed the file from my word processor to an Adobe PDF. Members
who would like it in that format let me know and I'll send you a copy.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:16:44 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: Private Problems, Public Forum

Others have said:

>>I have found the last few days on LRO pretty discouraging.  I feel like I
>> >Please understand that I make no judgements here about who did what to whom
>> >and who is in the wrong.  People have been badly hurt financially and
>> >reputationally. I just don't want to see it discussed at length in this
>Me too!

I, too, am very close to unsubscribing, despite my need to keep up for the
sake of my "Roving the Net" column in the evanescent _Aluminum_Workhorse_.

Hanging on by my fingernails,

Granny

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:18:56 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: FWD in Aus

Discovered something interesting this morning.  Remember the Four Wheel
Drive parts company in Australia that kept posting messages about their
catalogues to the whole list?  Well, I did a search in altavista and was
surprised to see quite a screen full of listings for their various web
pages, only remotely related to my search.  So I looked a little more
carefully and found they had made extensive use of the META tag to list
"Keywords".  They included such keywords as:

ROVERS NORTH INC 
CHILTERN AUTOMOTIVE 
OTTAWA VALLEY LAND ROVERS 
JAPAN LAND ROVER CLUB 
UNOFFICIAL LAND ROVER PAGES 
LAND ROVER STAMPS 
DAKAR RALLEY 
STRATSTONE OF MAYFAIR 
LAND ROVER NORTH AMERICA 

SCOTTISH LAND ROVER OWNERS CLUB 
NEW CONCEPT LAND ROVER WILMINGTON 
THE ROVER WEB 
LUNDS FOUR WHEEL DRIVE 

(That's cut and pasted (with added line breaks) from one of their pages.)
Interesting, eh?  

For those not quite sure what this means, I'll explain.  If you go to
Altavista or another search engine, and put in "ottawa valley land rovers"
to find their web page, what you'll get is This company's web pages.  Same
if you're looking for LR (or other) stamps, the RoverWeb, Lloyd's Unofficial
LR pages, etc.  None of which, AFAIK they really have much to do with.  

This is the sort of blatant commercial misuse of internet technology that is
threatening to wipe out the social advantages the technology offers.  It
pisses me off.  

Just thought y'all would like to know the kinds of companies you may be
supporting.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:30:39 +0000
Subject: Re: FWD in Aus

Should I be happy or upset that LRO SHOP is not on the list?

> Date:          Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:18:56 -0800
> Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> From:          Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
> Subject:       FWD in Aus

> Discovered something interesting this morning.  Remember the Four Wheel
> Drive parts company in Australia that kept posting messages about their
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 50 lines)]
> Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
> San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:54:41 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Freakin' Glow Plugs!

Keith W. Cooper wrote:
> As I mentioned in my last e-mail, I have sold my recently acquired
> 2.25L Diesel'65 Series IIA.
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> *                                                                       *
> *    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't worry about water - the Series Diesel is incredibly resistant to
water under the bonnet (I wash mine in the motor compartment every week
with a high pressure water jet, without any problems whatsoever).

Most glow-plugs are in series, therefor check each glow plug and the
wires which link them. On the firewall, above the back of the motor is a
metal bracket with a resistor - check the resistor coil is not broken
(this resistor controls the panel lamp, as the glow plugs draw current,
the resistor heats up, as do the glow plugs, dropping the resistance of
the circuit feeding the panel lamp (amber), which therefore gets
brighter. If this resistor is broken, you could have a problem -
otherwise check the plugs. A ohmmeter in series with the plugs, having
disconnected the chain beofre the first plug and after the last will
check all 4 plugs at once.

good luck.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
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telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:05:01 +1100
Subject: Thank you.
From: "Miss 4wd's" <anda@fwd.com.au>

Uncle Roger,

Mae West said "It is better to be looked over than overlooked!"

Love Miss 4wd's

http://www.fwd.com.au/

Melbourne Australia
IF IT IS OFF A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE WE'VE GOT IT.. AND WE'LL GET IT TO YOU!

                                                         _______
                                                       //_/_|__\___
                                                       \_ - ___ - _4wd
                                                         (o)   (o)

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Warn recommends 700 CCA
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 14:16:15 PST

Thank's for all the great info on what size battery is good for my Warn 9000xi
winch. I called Warn's 1-800 #, the Guy seemed knowledgable and said that
they recommend at least a 700 CCA battery for the 9000 winch. Since my defender
has a 525amp battery it looks like I need to upgrade. I guess I will try to
install a dual batter system. I am not sure I want to go to the trouble of
adding a batter yisolator (I am not sure how to do it), I figure I should be
able to just wire the batteries in parrellel? , this should charge both when
the engine is running and when winching I will get the amperage of both added
together. 

I guess the drawback is that without the battery isolator I could run down
both batterys, but if I leave the engine running while winching this should
not be a problem.

Leland Roys
1994 Defender-90
roys@cup.hp.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:32:54 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: weels and tyres

> Do anyone know were I can buy wheels with negative offset. I want the axle 
> to look wider.

...and ruin wheel bearings and swivel pin bearings and busings, and
greatly increase steering kickback.

Seriously, there are good reasons for the wheel offsets used by the
factory. You will trade-off looking cool for decreased reliability and
some nasty steering kickback if you go to substantial negative offset.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:04:29 +0000
Subject: Re: Thank you.

> Date:          Sat, 22 Feb 1997 07:05:01 +1100
> Subject:       Thank you.
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> To:            Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> X-To:          Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com

> Nicely put old chap (or is it Maam?)
> Subject:       Thank you.
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>                                                        //_/_|__\___
>                                                        \_ - ___ - _4wd
>                                                          (o)   (o)
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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From: n4ptk@InfoAve.Net
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:03:53 -0600
Subject: Re: Reassembly oil

Nate,

	I have build a lot of engines.  Never a rover, but
a lot of others.  The basics are all the same.  I have always
used an "assembler's grease" that I buy at the parts stores.
It comes in a round tube, like tooth paste tubes, but a lot
larger.  I just be certain everything is clean and dry before
assembly.  Then I HEAVYLY coat everything during assembly.  This
includes all bearings, cam, lifters or tappets, crank journals,
seals, timing chain/gears, etc. etc.  I evey fill the oil pump with
this grease.  It's light enough to pump, but heavy enough to
stay in place.  I always coat the rings with a liberal coat
of STP before placing them into the ring crimpers and driving
them into the cylinders.  I've never had any problem with this
method.  I've build several engines that sat for a long time
before use.  If I'm going to let them set, I put in the plugs
hand snug to keep out dirt/dust.  I take out the plugs about
every six months and put about two or three tablespoons (your
wife can tell how much this is) of Marvel Mystery oil into each
cylinder.  I then place a socket and breaker bar onto the vibration
dampner and turn the engine over about two turns.  I then replace
the plugs hand snug until the next time.  YMMV

Larry
n4ptk@infoave.net

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:12:18 +0000
Subject: Dealer Service

Does anyone have some good or bad experiences they can relate about 
dealers in the Toronto area.  My 96 Disco went in on Monday for a new 
screen, a service and to fix a couple of irritating noises.  Here we 
are on a Friday night with no vehicle.  It is still in the shop half 
way through a new cam shaft job!  Naturally the dealer did not have 
the part.  It also required a new muffler because a baffle had broken 
inside.  Granted these jobs are under warranty and to be fair they do 
lend me another Discovery but this seems to happen with a monotonous 
regularity.

Their motto "take the road less travelled!"
Less travelled because the damn vehicle is in the shop!

ASK ME ABOUT LPM! Scream!
LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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From: n4ptk@InfoAve.Net
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:20:33 -0600
Subject: Re: Warn recommends 700 CCA

Leland,
	Don't be afraid to hook up a battery isolator.  There is an
output wire from your alternator/generator that goes to your battery.
It may hook to the battery side of a selenoid (sp?), or it may
hook to the battery post on the starter.  Anyway, take this wire
loose from where ever it hooks and hook it to the center lead of
the isolator.  Then make up a replacement wire to run from "BAT 1"
post of the isolator to where ever the first wire origionally went.
Simple.  Then if you want to charge a second battery, simply run a
wire (10 ga. or larger) from the "BAT 2" post on the isolator to
the second battery.  Both batteries ground to the frame.  You
can do it.
	I got a continuous duty selenoid from a golf cart and used
it and a heavy duty 1 ga. cable to hook the two batteries together.
Then when I pulled an on/off switch on the dash, the selenoid
made contact and "hooked" the two together.  Push the switch back
in and they were isolated again.  Works great.

	If you need more info, write private email

Larry matthews
N4ptk@infoave.net
                 What's need for the information superhighway
                         is a good four wheel drive

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From: David W Scott <birddog@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: wiper motors
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:21:03 -0600

Prince Charles is leaping to completion.  Decided to check out the 11a =
wiper motors that had been sitting in the weather on the windshield for =
two years now.  I decided not to even hook one up to a battery and give =
it trial as no way would it work.  Well I took the first one down, =
everything looked okay inside, no rust, just some hardened grease.  =
Cleaned up the transmission and looked on the electric side and had a =
mess of parts before it was over.  I decided to hook the other one up to =
see if it worked.  32 years old and completly in the weather for two =
years, it worked, sluggish but worked.  I cleaned it up and figured how =
to put the other together, tried em both and they worked perfectly.
    I know of no American car with the workmanship and attention to =
detail these Brits have gone to.  In America we are so used to the best =
deal and most of us want the low price.  We have created a market place =
that gives us what we pay for.  We gripe about the high Land Rover =
prices  but dern if they dont give us our moneys worth most times.  I'm =
starting to feel bad about the revolution.  Thank you Brits for the Land =
Rovers and finally leaving Our George alone.  birddog

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:20:47 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes@olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Warn recommends 700 CCA

At 14:16 21-02-97 PST, you wrote:
>Thank's for all the great info on what size battery is good for my Warn

9000xi
>winch. I called Warn's 1-800 #, the Guy seemed knowledgable and said that
>they recommend at least a 700 CCA battery for the 9000 winch. Since my
defender
>has a 525amp battery it looks like I need to upgrade. I guess I will try to
>install a dual batter system. I am not sure I want to go to the trouble of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Leland Roys
>1994 Defender-90
>roys@cup.hp.com
Leland,
I'd recommend the isolator but it's not a *must have*. They are easy to
hook up and instructions come with them. 

Regards,
-jj

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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:33:51 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)

unsubscribe Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net 

sukkertoppen@ax.ibase.org.br

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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:33:56 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)

unsubscription lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net 

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:35:18 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: RE: Unleaded in LR V8 ??

>Erik Hupje[SMTP:378219@sepa.tudelft.nl] wrote:

>that a Land Rover V8 can run on unleaded petrol without replacing the 
>original seats with hardened seats and such. There would only have 

>experience with this? And does this also hold for an older engine, 
>i.e. a 1980 3.5L V8?

I've got an older engine...  '59 2.25l.  Ran fine on unleaded with no
changes.  (Until I killed it, but that's another, unrelated story.)

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:35:40 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series IIA (fwd)

At 09:40 AM 2/21/97 -0500, DEMCOKARL@aol.com wrote:
>Thanks for the info on the Series IIA.  I am working on the price, but it
>does have a lot of extras.  Is there any listing of values for this truck 

I'm sure others can give more accurate values, but I'd guess:

88" SIIA, reasonably restored, no real problems, looking sharp too, Station
Wagon hard top, mostly stock:  $6K-12K

Extras:

Overdrive (Fairey):             $300
Overdrive (Toro):               $500 - 600
Roof Rack (Full):               $200
Roof Rack (Partial):            $100
Roof Rack (cheap/bad design):   $0
Rear Benches:                   $50
Upgraded seats (good)           $100 - 200
Upgraded seats (bad/cheap)      $0
Winch (Electric, common)        $300 - 500
Winch (Koenig, PTO)             $300 - 500
16" rims:                       $100
Extra set of wheels/tires (5)   $150 - 200
Extra Guages, Instruments (ea): $0 - 50
CB Radio:                       $0 - 50
Stereo:                         $0 - 100
Cabinetry:                      $0 - 500
Second Fuel Tank                $50 - 100
Third Fuel Tank                 $50 - 100
Extra headlights:               $50 - 150
Salisbury Axle                  $150 - 250

These are just some numbers I picked out of the air, based on my impressions
of original cost, desirability, etc.  

Value of add-ons varies greatly because of a number of factors:  how
important it is to you, how well it was executed, resale value, etc.  A
badly installed stereo, or guages or cabinetry could even decrease the
value.  Fuel tanks may be completely worthless if rusty and leaking, or may
be an almost necessity for your needs.  A GPS antenna won't be worth much if
you don't have a GPS.

Also, saved work adds value (if you need a second tank, and it's already
installed) but the fact that its used decreases its value.

Most importantly, the mechanical condition of the LR must be up-to-snuff
before worrying about value/usefullness of accessories.  A top notch stereo
won't do much good in a vehicle so noisy you can't hear the radio even with
the engine off...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:53:05 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Public Arguments

I wanted to write to the list and express my dismay at the events of the
last few days, and my feelings seem to fall with those  expressed so well
by Ron Franklin.
   I read the list for the comraderie and information that helps keep my
ownership of Land Rovers on an even keel! ;-)  I do not tune in to offer
advice regarding legal terms(find a lawyer if it's that important!),
participate in publicly bashing a commercial enterprise, or engaging in any
type of argument(good-natured notwithstanding) with other list members.
   I'm not sure who benefits from this type of public disagreement....it
smacks of a playground fight where the combatants seem to hope that numbers
of supporters will help prove their argument is valid.  A disagreement
between two parties that involves money for service that goes bad is
between them.  I do not want to be included in the soap opera.
   I would use the delete key, but since I'm a digest subscriber, I just
scroll a little quicker! ;-)

As Ron said, I refuse to voice support for either party, but hope that
differences can be worked out to the satisfaction of those involved.

Have a great weekend...I'll be in Arizona for a week...hopefully getting in
some Rovering with a Disco from Enterprise! :-)

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Rover Club
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 509th COUGARS/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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From: CAMARO380@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:43:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: exaust systems

My '92 Range Rover has been in the shop three or four times because I screwed
up something in the exaust system. I think it is the manifold gaskets or that
stuff in the muffler that reduces noise. When it breaks, the truck sounds
like a stock car (I love the sound of a loud car) it usually happens when I
go on trips. Also, it is pretty slow for a 3.9 liter V-8. I had the gas pedal
all the way to the floor and it only hit about 90 miles per hour. Too damn
slow!!! Should I install a duel exaust system? It would probably make my
Rover go faster, right?

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From: CAMARO380@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:43:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: electrical systems

My 1992 Range Rover has been in the shop twice for the same problem. The
Rover does what ever the hell it wants to do! If I turn on the radio and it
does not feel like turning on, it won't until it wants to. The air
conditioner also turns on and off as it damn well pleases. I know it has a
problem with the electrical system. Are Lucas systems really as shitty as
they sound? Is there any other electrical system I can have installed that I
can control instead of the truck doing what it wants?
1992 Range Rover (I drive loaners more than my Range Rover)

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From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:12:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Public Arguments (NON LR CONTENT)

John Cassidy wrote:
>   I'm not sure who benefits from this type of public disagreement....it
> smacks of a playground fight where the combatants seem to hope that numbers
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> As Ron said, I refuse to voice support for either party, but hope that
> differences can be worked out to the satisfaction of those involved.

If a commercial entity, subscribing to the list, was ripping off members 
of the list wouldn't we want to know?  How many should lose $$$ before a 
warning should be posted?  Note, I am not implying that to be the case 
here!

As far as I can tell, Ecrover has been a "good" contributor to the list 
and, based on reports by other list members, a "good" business.  But, 
from what I read of the complaint against Ecrover, it appears to have 
some validity.

If the complaint against Ecrover was obviously frivolous, I would bet 
that there would be little uproar about this matter and instead just 
about everyone would tell the complainer where to go (with his or her 
complaint).  However, in this case, it is not easy to take sides.  (Gee, 
life is so much easier when we can paint one side as the enemy.)

I think everyone can benefit from public disagreement if the issues are 
framed properly.  The problem is the list is not setup to handle the 
issue of THIS particular incident.

Based on what I had read on the list, I had considered Ecrover as a 
source for a LR.  And, even with this last incidence, I would still 
consider Ecrover.  However, I would definitely ask Mike about the details 
to ensure that I would not have any similar problems.

It is important for us to realize/remember that good people can make 
mistakes.  The law of averages will catch up with you.  That is why there 
is warranty and insurance.  Making a mistake (or even a few) does not 
mean a person is bad, incompetent, etc.  Now, if it happens a lot, then 
maybe the person is bad, incompetent, etc.

I don't think there is a need to take sides.  (And if people thought they 
did, that could be done outside of this list.)  The information is out.  
People can decide for themselves and move on.  

I think a problem like this came up a few years ago.  One solution was 
for the complainer, instead of going into all of the sordid details, was 
to let people know of the potential problem and let others know they 
could write to him/her for details.  In that manner, those who planned to 
do business with the commercial entity could check for themselves.

FHY

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 00:27:25 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Serious Request for Response (No L-R Content)

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa) wrote:

>     The word "acceptable" is closest in meaning to --
>        a.  "perfect"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>        d.  "bad"
>  Acceptable or not depends on a yes or no binary decision, not a 
comparative ranking, and would be based entirely on previously determined 
criteria. Thus, "good enough" would be closest, but "enough" is the key 
word here, i.e. enough for required tolerance, stress, etc. "Acceptable" 
means worth accepting, and so the worth must be demonstrated.

No LR content? Today I can think of some. My clutch master cylinder started 
leaking today. I had to re-do the slave seals a couple of months ago, with 
that amazing routine for re-attaching the pushrod to the release lever via 
the slave port. The 90 is 2 years old this month. I sold my Lada Niva a few 
weeks ago after 6 years, never having looked at the clutch hydraulics in 
that time.

Cheers
>     The word "acceptable" is closest in meaning to --
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 15:59:57 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>
Subject: BMW Owners

Pedro noticed that many people on the list also own BMWs.  Such info eluded
me.  Who owns which models?  Selling one to obtain a Land Rover can't be a
bad idea.  I've been hoping that the new GPS system available in the BMW
will be made available in Land Rovers.  So far I've made do with a laptop,
a CD-rom with a mapping program, e.g. MapExpert or Street Atlas from
Delorme and an inexpensive GPS receiver, which, by the way, is useless
under a canopy of thick foliage.  Perhaps common ownership of the two
vehicle manufacturers will be good.  The only thing I've noticed which seem
to have any similarity between the BMW and the Discovery are that the
windshield wiper controls seem to work the same and the radios seem similar
and both have weather bands.  Is any thing else the same?   Or am i
mistaken as to those two items.  Thanks, David

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:40:30 -0200
From: sukkertoppen@ax.apc.org (Jacob G. Glahn)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>unsubscribe-list

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From: RINGOJACK@aol.com
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 01:57:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: BMW Owners

In a message dated 97-02-22 01:32:07 EST, you write:

<< from >>
The stereo speakers are the same as well, the two new tweeters by the
windshield were made by Beamer.

Mark

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