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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:52:40 -500
Subject: Yeah Adrian Revisited!

Simon,
I wrote "Yeah Adrian!" as a personal statement.  I do not wash any of
my vehicles, but I do spray off the salt.  There is just not the time 
or grey water for washing.  My vehicles are meant to be used, hosing
out the floorboards is only to help distinguish the pedals.  The goggles 
are to keep straw bits from stabbing into your eyes.
Mark  

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 8:08:04 EST

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:18:45 -0800
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: The Burble (Again)

     All, 
     
     Have noticed that the current Def SW use the same windscreen wash 
     system as a back-up that the Series II uses as primary --
     Hit the brakes and gutter rain sloshes down onto the windscreen; 
     alternatively, let up on the accelerator and the water trapped in the 
     bonnet leading-edge burble rises from aerodynamic captivity to pelt 
     the glass.
     
     Ah, the tradition continues. 
     
     Hank  ("Change is bad")
     

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:00:50 +0000
Subject: Speed

> Usefull information
>                                            SWB                   LWB
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>Crawling speedat 1000 rpm     
>  in 1st gear (low transfer)          2                       2.2

You sure about these? The LWBs are usually lower geared (when theere 
is a difference) cos theyre heavier and have a bigger payload..

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: VW Diesels
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:22:00 -0500

Another thought that comes to mind is that the Bombardier Iltis military
vehicle uses the VW Engine (petrol) and Audi quattro transmission.
Anyone out there have experience with the Iltis?

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:28:30 -0800
From: University Services-Internships & Careers <USIC@hotmail.com>
Subject: ANNOUNCE> Africa/Brazil: Proj DIRs/Interns/Volunteers 

==========================================================================

(IUN) Inter-University Network * University Services-Internships & Careers
__________________________________________________________________________

  INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS * INTERNS * VOLUNTEERS * CAREERS

RE:  Non-Profit Organizations
     Summer PROJECT DIRECTORS/INTERNS/VOLUNTEERS
     Americans, Canadians, others - welcome
     Approaching Deadlines

     Humanitarian Multi-disciplinary Projects

List Owner/Mgr:

Please post/forward/share this information on career opportunities
and meaningful "different" summer experiences/internships.  Likely
to be of interest to the List.

Deadlines are pending.

Thanks in advance

___________________________________________________________________

CAREER OPPTYS

   1. AfriCare

......................................................................

SUMMER INTERNSHIPS/VOLUNTEER PROJECTS

   2. Operation Crossroads: Global Volunteers/Interns/Project DIRECTORS
           -> ONLINE applications now available for
                 Proj DIRs & Interns [Africa/Brazil] 

                       No Language requirement for participation

       Aimed at involving North Americans (and others) in sustainable
                development efforts in Africa and Brazil, while
                helping local communities to help themselves

           Academic Credit

           *highlights below*

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
More Details:

1.   A F R I C A R E

Recruits for a variety of positions in non-profit
work. BA/BS, 3 years experience, language proficiency, job
specific. Contact:

     Director of Management Services,
     AFRICARE,
     440 R Street, NW
     Washington, D.C. 20001

     (202) 462-3641 (please phone/no E-Mail available)

......................................................................

2.   O P E R A T I O N   C R O S S R O A D S  [AFRICA][BRAZIL]

    -Global Volunteers/Interns/Project Directors

    -Receive application by E-Mail (write to addresses given below)

Crossroads offers an opportunity to do summer work and participate in
multi-disciplinary grassroots projects that Africans and Brazilians
in rural & urban communities deem valuable.  20 - 25 projects are being
organized; plans are for 150 - 200 volunteers/interns and 15 - 20
Project Directors.

Crossroads recently announced that ONLINE applications (due over next few
weeks) are available for Project Directors/Leaders (26 yrs and over with
experience) & for Volunteers/Interns (college age & up; ALL are welcome)

C R E D I T : Students generally arrange with their campuses to receive
academic credit (typically 7 to 15 units) for their summer internship
experience.  The Program starts with a several-day Training Orientation
in NYC in early July; Volunteers return to the US in mid-August.

CONTACT:

     Operation Crossroads,
     Attn: Overseas Department
     475 Riverside Drive, Suite 1366,
     New York, NY 10027

     212-870-2106

Or, to receive the brochure, application and other info by E-Mail,
send your request to <<BOTH>> 

1-  "Applications & Info Update" <International_Programs@Juno.Com>,
2-  "Brochure & New Programs" <oca@igc.apc.org>

   ..and in the Subject Field, put either of the following:

 ->   "SEND VOLUNTEER\INTERN's Packet"     (college age & up/open to all)
                  o r
 ->   "SEND LEADER\ProjDIRECTOR's Packet"  (26 yrs & up w/exp-read below)

Please include your street address in case our equipment malfunctions

P r o j e c t   D i r e c t o r / L e a d e r  applicants must include
a brief paragraph on their background & interests to receive application 

   Crossroads helps Volunteers/Interns raise funds for the
          summer; EARLY application is a MUST

====================================================================
  MULTI-DISCIPLINARY PROJECTS / RESEARCH / WORK CAMPS / FIELD STUDY
___________________________________________________________________

  Ecology & Environment. Traditional Medicine. Oral History.
  Folklore. Primary Care. Archaeology. Anthropology. Reforestation.
  Media. <<ROOTS>> Distance Learning. Art. Ethnomusicology. Public
  Health. Construction Wildlife. HUMAN RIGHTS. Computer Literacy.
  Agric/Farming. Nursing. Teaching/Tutoring. Business Dev.
  African/Brazilian Language Study. Youth Programs. Recreation.
  Traditional Religion. Dance. RURAL SOCIOLOGY. Rainforestry

*******************************************************************
Also, programs addressing Women's Issues & Female Circumcision / Genital
Mutilation [FGM] carried out with sensitivity for local customs/practices

C O U N T R I E S: Botswana, The Gambia, Ghana, Eritrea, Ivory Coast,
   Kenya, Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Namibia,
           Guinea Bissau, Ethiopia, Malawi, Mali, Benin
                  and Brazil (in South America)
                 _______________________________

      Operation Crossroads is a non-profit 501(3)(C) organization
    Credited by JF Kennedy for inspiring creation of the Peace Corps
         Celebrating 40 yrs of service and 10,000 Volunteers

         "Good ideas without action don't accomplish much"

  Info Technology/Distance Learning Conference being organized for
  Accra, Ghana (W. Africa) for December 10 - 14 1997 * mark calendars!
_____________________________

(IUN) Inter-University Netowrk
University Services-Internships & Careers

Plz post/forward/share

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 10:53:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Hello &Tilt Dye

>Bren Workman asked about dyeing his hood from blue to black. My Slll L/W
's former owner, >HRH Liz Windsor, had spray painted it matt black over
NATO green. The matt black camo >continued up over the  OD tilt. After
about a year this was fading due sun/weather so I just >resprayed it. which
has got to be easier than dyeing it (patchy finishes etc).
You can find a spray dye for vinyl and other materials at most auto parts
stores.  These are just as easy to use as spray paints and provide a nice
'dyed' finish.  I've never used them on external parts so I'm sure of their
durability in the elements, but I've never had it wear off of kick panels
or door sills.

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:05:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: VW Diesels

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Easton Trevor wrote:

> Another thought that comes to mind is that the Bombardier Iltis military
> vehicle uses the VW Engine (petrol) and Audi quattro transmission.
> Anyone out there have experience with the Iltis?

	The original German design was sound.  Bombardier though, figured
	they knew more about 4x4's and miliraty requirements than anyone else
	changed the spec.  Thinned out the metal, did other stuff.  Heard
	nothing bad about the engine (besides some being welded in to help
	strengthen the vehicle) or drivetrain.  rest of the vehicle is
	a piece of junk.  Heard nothing really good about it from the
	military.  Was part of a political procurement directed to Quebec.
	Need one say more?

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:01:35 -500
Subject: Tilt Canvas Questions

I have read with interest the dye questions on tilt fabric.  I have 
used a number of fabrics for sailboat canvas goods.  Of what fabric 
content and weight are LR tilts made?  Might you know if #18 needles
and V69 thread are used?  Mark

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:15:33 -0800
From: Joel Guerra <guerra@raisa.teamcmi.com>
Subject: Re: VW Diesels

unsubscribe lro-digest guerra@mail.teamcmi.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:15:07 +0100
From: Mathew Ridealgh <mat@hpentccl.grenoble.hp.com>
Subject: New to LRs

Hi, 
I'm new to the list and to LRs.
I've just bought a D90 TDi and have a couple of questions
which are completely unrelated to each other.

Q1. Has anyone had any experience with the forward facing seats
that are advertised in the LR press?
(The wife feels that the LR needs some modifications before being 
accepted as a propoer vehicle, and seats in the back is one of them.)

I am a bit concerned as to their stability and how I might 
fix some seatbelt anchor points (the D90's a soft top).

Q2. Is it quite normal for LR dealers to provide the worst service
imaginable and go back on their word once you have parted with hugh
sums of money for their product.

I traded in a Merc against the D90 and although I was offered over book price
(it was immaculate) it still wasn't quite enough so the dealer offered to pay
the road tax (150 quid here in France) and supply a hood at cost price (I've
got a plastic hard top which will come off in the summer).

Both these items have 'slipped his memory'.
It's not the money but the principle. It persuaded a collegue to
pass his cheque to Mitsub.. Mits.. Mist.. you know who.

I took the D90 in to have an alarm fitted (no alarm, no insurance over here) 
and the dealer 'broke' the windscreen trying to replace the mirror that had 
'fallen off'.

"we'll replace it sir, but we need to order the part" (one weeks delay)

Did they phone when it arrived? did they heck.

The 6,000 mile service Huh!
20 minutes between arriving (a working day) and finally getting served
( I was the only customer there)  and the service consisted of an oil 
change for which the oil cost 60 pounds.

Don't get me wrong! I love the vehicle, but to comply with the warrenty, 
I have to put up with this for a year.

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

	Matt

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:09:43 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Spy satellites

An oldy, but they do say that the two man-made things visible from orbit
are the Great Wall of China and the door-close line on a Land Rover.
Lucky  John Cassidy, weekend in Tucson,  right next to Davis-Monthan AFB
boneyard with acres of aluminium waiting to be cut up. Thinks: could you
cut out  a complete hardtop from a B-52 wing? Take an angle grinder John!
Cheers,
Mike Gaines Slll Lightweight `Wicked Wanda'
(Missed list on 10th due fumblefingers leading to download & instant
delete).

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Spy satellites
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 16:14:53 GMT

> An oldy, but they do say that the two man-made things visible from orbit
> are the Great Wall of China and the door-close line on a Land Rover.
> Lucky  John Cassidy, weekend in Tucson,  right next to Davis-Monthan AFB
> boneyard with acres of aluminium waiting to be cut up. Thinks: could you
> cut out  a complete hardtop from a B-52 wing? Take an angle grinder John!

Apparently the Great Wall of China isn't true.

John: Quite fancied fitting an altimeter into my dash...  (hint,hint)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII, but the hardtop is suspiciously RAF looking)

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:35:32 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@harvard.edu>
Subject: tie rod ends with vs. without grease fittings

Major! Keep me subscribed keep me subscribed (this is the "subscriptionally
challenged" list isn't it?) Anyhow.....I was pondering tie rod ends the
other day......I'm interested in the pros and cons of tie rod ends fitted
with grease fittings vs. tie rod ends without grease fittings.....One
supplier I spoke with doesn't sell the ones w/o fittings.....Coincidentally
they report that the ones with fittings are weaker/don't last as
long....Alas I should also share that I'm not concerned about LR original
parts vs. alternatives.....The
car/truck/vehicle/lorry/van/sport-ute/Rv/Camper..is a series IIa 109"
variety (and I mean variety! but that is another story) I'm confident that
this has all been thrashed through before but I hadn't seen anything about
it in recent months. Rob M Concord, MA USA 
PS any replies to me will be organized and briefly summarized for the list
(Come on, you know me better than that!!, Huh, look at that, one of your
legs IS longer than the other one!!!)

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:59:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: tie rod ends with vs. without grease fittings

In a message dated 97-02-11 11:34:07 EST, you write:

<< I'm interested in the pros and cons of tie rod ends fitted
 with grease fittings vs. tie rod ends without grease fittings. >>

I like the ones with grease nipples, they're easier to lube, and I haven't
found them wearing out significantly sooner than the ones without nipples.
 (Both on the rover AND on the tractor, but that's another thread...)

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:15:47 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Spy satellites

At 04:14 PM 11/02/97 GMT, Richard Marsden, wrote

>John: Quite fancied fitting an altimeter into my dash...  (hint,hint)

Got one.  But what I really need is a fuel flow meter registering in lb/hr

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:34:59 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Spy satellites

At 11:09 AM 11/02/97 -0500, Mike Gaines, wrote

>An oldy, but they do say that the two man-made things visible from orbit
>are the Great Wall of China and the door-close line on a Land Rover.

I always thought the Great Wall thing was a myth but I recently found the
following on the Urban Legends Web Page.  (Mind you it makes no mention of
gaping door seals but then again no one doubts the veracity of that.)

                     From: dino@euclid.colorado.edu (dino the dinosaur)
                     Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
                     Subject: The Great Wall of China from space, a final
                     comment Date: 31 Dec 1994 02:42:48 GMT 

                     For those of you just joining us, aways back there was
a long
                     thread about "Space Object Visibility," or some such, with
                     the Great Wall of China thing coming up repeatedly. Please
                     *do not* start the thread over again; I am only posting
this as
                     a follow-up from an official source. 

                     From the journal _Science News_, December 24 & 31,
                     1994, volume 146, nos. 26 & 27, pages 417-448, in the
                     article entitled *Earthmovers: Humans take their place
                     alongside wind, water, and ice*, pp 432-433, we have, cited
                     under fair use or whatever it is: 

                     (begin quoted material) 

                     Twenty-five years after his historic moonwalk, Buzz Aldrin
                     wants to put to rest a nagging myth. For the record, Apollo
                     astronauts could not see the Great Wall of China or other
                     evidence of human existence from a distance of 400,000
                     kilometers. "That's a misconception. Journalists have
fallen
                     into that trap just to be sensationalistic," he decries. 

                     If truth be told, Aldrin didn't spend much time peering
                     homeward or cogitating his place in the cosmos. "The human
                     astronaut is not able to look for the Great Wall on Earth.
                     He's not able to philosophize on the meaning of life. He's
                     focused on his job in front of him, which is not
tripping over
                     the television cable." 

                     From their vantage point only a few hundred kilometers
                     above Earth's surface, astronauts aboard the space
shuttle can
                     easily make out *Homo Sapiens'* handiwork. Urban sprawl,
                     ribbons of roads, quilted cropland, razed patches of
forest,
                     and some national boundries show up. Yes, even the Great
                     Wall stands out amid the Chinese countryside when the sun
                     hits it just right. 

                     "We do clearly see ways in which human beings are changing
                     the surface of the planet," says shuttle asronaut Jeffrey
                     Hoffman. 

                     (end quoted material) 

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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From: Pkelly@kktv.com
Date: 11 Feb 1997 11:04:12 -0700
Subject: 110 camper conversion

Here's a few I have heard about:
   1. old LRO issue where a couple take a dormobile roof and graft it to
a 110 roof.
   2. in the american magazine "off road" there is a fellow who built
one. it is the Jan 1997 issue. his name and address is: doug richardson,
2100 McReynolds Rd., Malibu CA 90265.
   3. lastly there is the Overlander conversion. this entailed a
fibreglass extension roof.

                                      pat

  66 dormobile, 63 109 safari, 88 range rover & lots of projects.

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From: Simon Taylor <simon@tdc.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New to LRs
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:44:13 -0000

Experience with LR service departments shows this to probably be true =
(in the UK too).

If BMW knew more about the way their 'division' operated in terms of =
customer 'service' they would be appalled.  When you take a BMW in for =
service (that's if they don't collect it), you get coffee and looked =
after like a customer should.  LR agents are still back in the dark ages =
as far as I can tell, dealing with customers who choose because they =
want a LR and not a choice.  Things will probably change.  Even BMW =
services normally cost less than the equivalent LR services. Take a =
Disco in for 12,000 mile service, and you probably won't get much change =
from 500 quid.

Off the soap box now .... (G)

Simon
-----Original Message-----
From:	Mathew Ridealgh [SMTP:mat@hpentccl.grenoble.hp.com]
Sent:	11 February 1997 15:15
To:	lro@playground.sun.com; uk-lro@playground.sun.com
Subject:	New to LRs

Hi,
I'm new to the list and to LRs.
I've just bought a D90 TDi and have a couple of questions
which are completely unrelated to each other.

Q1. Has anyone had any experience with the forward facing seats
that are advertised in the LR press?
(The wife feels that the LR needs some modifications before being
accepted as a propoer vehicle, and seats in the back is one of them.)

I am a bit concerned as to their stability and how I might
fix some seatbelt anchor points (the D90's a soft top).

Q2. Is it quite normal for LR dealers to provide the worst service
imaginable and go back on their word once you have parted with hugh
sums of money for their product.

I traded in a Merc against the D90 and although I was offered over book =
price
(it was immaculate) it still wasn't quite enough so the dealer offered =
to pay
the road tax (150 quid here in France) and supply a hood at cost price =
(I've
got a plastic hard top which will come off in the summer).

Both these items have 'slipped his memory'.
It's not the money but the principle. It persuaded a collegue to
pass his cheque to Mitsub.. Mits.. Mist.. you know who.

I took the D90 in to have an alarm fitted (no alarm, no insurance over =
here)
and the dealer 'broke' the windscreen trying to replace the mirror that =
had
'fallen off'.

"we'll replace it sir, but we need to order the part" (one weeks delay)

Did they phone when it arrived? did they heck.

The 6,000 mile service Huh!
20 minutes between arriving (a working day) and finally getting served
( I was the only customer there)  and the service consisted of an oil
change for which the oil cost 60 pounds.

Don't get me wrong! I love the vehicle, but to comply with the warrenty, =

I have to put up with this for a year.

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest.

	Matt

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From: Gordonkerr@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:14:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New to LRs

In a message dated 11/02/97  15:46:19,  mat@hpentccl.grenoble.hp.com (Mathew
Ridealgh) writes:

> Q2. Is it quite normal for LR dealers to provide the worst service
>  imaginable and go back on their word once you have parted with hugh
>  sums of money for their product.

Yes it most certainly is!

Welcome to the fold, youv'e already learnt the hardest lesson so just smile
through gritted teeth when you have to go there and enjoy the LR the rest of
the time!

Gordon

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:01:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Lightweight

Hello David.
Welcome to the draughty world of Lightweights. Personaly I quite like the "Q"
reg as it shows the motor is something different. To get rid of it you must
prove the year of manufacture to your local vehicle licensing centre. They
will accept a MOD release certificate, or certification from a recognised
body that the chassis number was built in a particular year. They may accept
a Land Rover club as a recognised body but check with your local vehicle
licensing centre. Best of luck, I have just re-registered from a "Q" to take
advantage of the free road tax for 25 year olds.

Mike Rogers

Lightweight / Range Rover hybrid ( now tax free )

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:07:40 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe

You know - I always thought this list was just great. Now with all the 
aborted efforts of unsubscribing and all the tests and all the explanations 
I am starting to get a little sick and tired. I think I will unsubscribe for 
a while until this is over. Could *everybody* please explain once more how 
to unsubscribe? But not to me (lopezba@atnet.co.at), no, please everybody 
explain to the list (lro@land-rover.team.net). Thank you so much.
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:41:52 -0600
From: Derwood and Eric <derwoodr@ktvt.com>
Subject: Re: Let's have our rusty RR tailgate fixed under our expired

It may not be the cheapest way to go about this... but I'm just going to
get the aluminum tailgate from Famous Four and not ever have to worry
about it again... A new factory tailgate will rot in a short time again
anyway... My thoughts

Eric Evans
derwoodr@ktvt.com

Brian Cramer wrote:
> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:03:16 -0500
> To: dcorc@mrs.mjc.state.mi.us (David Corcoran)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 52 lines)]
> >recall you saying what  happened with your rover. When did you try to act
> >on the warranty and what were you told?

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:53:18 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Rochester Carb Questions

So, if one were so inclined as to want to fit a Rochester Carb to a 2.25 petrol,
where would one get such a carb and would it bolt straight on? It would be 
replacing a WEBER 34ICH. What is the model number of the carb and what jet 
combinations work best? Can I get this beast at a chain store? What are the pros
and cons of Rochesters? I've driven one 88 with one that was quite peppy...
Seen too many "sick of my Zenith" messages to wnat one of those, and I wont even
get into the Weber thing...

Inquiring minds that are sick of Webers want to know...

DaveB.

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From: Tony Treace <ATREACE@hasimons.com>
Subject: RE: Rochester Carb Questions
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:48:44 -0800

The Rochester carb question compels me to ask the BIG question, has
anyone posted an in-depth comparison of ALL the carb alternatives
available for the Rover 2.25 engine? I have also seen numerous "sick of
(your carb here)" messages, but no consensus. I presently have the
original Solex which seems OK, but will be history the minute it starts
to act-up (cost/availability of rebuilt parts). I was considering the
Zenith, but some seem to hate it. The Weber 34ICH just seems SO TINY.
The Weber 3236DGV, maybe too much for an unmodified engine. Cost is not
a primary consideration, I just want to get the right carb the first
time.

Tony Treace

1966 109 SW
>----------
>From: 	Bobeck, David R.[SMTP:dbobeck@ushmm.org]
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>Inquiring minds that are sick of Webers want to know...
>DaveB.

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:54:12 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Carb Questions

Tony Treace wrote:
> The Rochester carb question compels me to ask the BIG question, has
> anyone posted an in-depth comparison of ALL the carb alternatives
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> original Solex which seems OK, but will be history the minute it starts
> to act-up (cost/availability of rebuilt parts).
-- 

Me too Tony...

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:02:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Spring cleaning: Diesel bits FSOT

I have some 2.25 diesel parts that I will never need. including head, head
core, pistons, rods, flywheel, clutch bits. (I used the crank in Pansy's
rebuild) I'd like to swap out for other stuff, or if all else fails, sell the
stuff. Email me for a comprehensive list and my wish list. Thanks for the
bandwidth.
Cheers!!
John (good barter good neighbors make!) Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095   Mac user
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!! 

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 09 Feb 97 20:34:17 +0000
Subject: Help!!!!

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Hi there All,

Aaaaargh..........  PROBLEM!!!!!!!

It's not on my Landie, which won't arrive till next month, but on my 
OTHER car, a 1988 MG Maestro. Please advise, I know it's off-topic but 
you folks are soooooooo helpful! (shameless mode ON!!)

It has an alloy head, probably Aluminium. I was driving it today when a 
spark plug shot out! It's stripped the threads in the head, and the plug 
is sooooo loose. I tried to seal it but no joy. PTFE tape aint working!

I reckon I need to tap out a bigger thread, sleeve it and put the plug 
in. Someone mentioned a "Helicoil" which is like a spring which cuts a 
new thread as it's inserted. Any experience???

The plug is, I think, 14mm. Could I just tap the head for a 16mm plug?

If I'd had the Landie, no probs, but this is my only car at the moment 
and I'm up the proverbial creek without a proverbial paddle! :-(

Please help, URGENT!!!!!! My local garages are useless! 
 
Catch you later,
Lenny...                                                                  0/2
_____________________________________________________________________________
                                                        ______
  Lenny Warren,                                      __/__[__]
  Strathaven, Scotland, UK.                         [________]
  1981 ser III 88" D SW (coming soon!)           ____(o)___(o)____
_____________________________________________________________________________

... Kryten: Spin my nipple-nuts and send me to Alaska!
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro
--
| Fidonet:  Lenny Warren 2:259/36.12
| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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From: uber@nbnet.nb.ca (JMJasper)
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:17:54 -0400

unsubscribe uber@nbnet.nb.ca
JM Jasper, uber@nbnet.nb.ca
Vitally savage and mentally civilized
                    -Tagore

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:32:55 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: New to LRs

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Mathew Ridealgh <mat@hpentccl.grenoble.hp.com> wrote:

>I've just bought a D90 TDi and have a couple of questions

>Q1. Has anyone had any experience with the forward facing seats
>that are advertised in the LR press?

I'm just fitting fold-up forward-facing rear seats to my 90 PU to SW 
conversion. The pair I have are very well made, in the same cloth as the 
front seats. They are necessarily narrower than the factory front seats but 
not a problem unless one was really broad in the beam, and in any event a 
lot better than the inward-facing seats of any type. Without a hardtop you 
would be limited to lap belts. With a hardtop you can fit complete 
seatbelts. 
Cheers,
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:34:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Oil film

    On 9 Feb 97, John & Sandy Cooper asked about oil film on the rear of
their vehicle:
          In my limited experience (have owned many but only driven one),
the obvious thing to check for is leaky seals in the diffs and transmission,
apparent engine oil leaks, etc. Once the obvious is eliminated (which I'm
sure you did), check the check valves in the axle vents. Once these stick,
and they Do, extended driving causes the axle cases to warm up a bit more
than they would around town and the internal pressure created forces a small
amount of oil past the pinion oil seal. Being as aerodynamic a hurtling
brick, if you can call 50 mph hurtling, said vehicle produces a turbulence
that plasters tiny droplets of gear oil on the rear door/tailgate/etc.
           Remove the suspected stuck axle vent, shake it and it should
rattle. If not, the highly corrosion prone steel ball is stuck to the brass
housing. I've never had one apart but believe they can be dismantled and
then thrown away. Your favorite supply house has them for not a lot of
money, and if you get the one with an extension tube (pipe?), you'll
probably not have any more trouble. 
            Then again, I could be wrong.
                              Ruthrfrd@borg.com
                                             
                    62 swb   Gromit 

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 02:10:29 +0000
From: Dr Nicholas Mark Hacking <nick@hacking.demon.co.uk>
Subject: New to LRs (fwd facing rear seats)

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Mathew Ridealgh <mat@hpentccl.grenoble.hp.com>
wrote:

>>Q1. Has anyone had any experience with the forward facing seats
>>that are advertised in the LR press?

A couple of years ago I took a LWB County SW (c. 1985) to France with my
wife, another couple, and two children. Two adults in the front, Two
children and a small adult in the second row. Where to put the remaining
adult? ... Bought a forward-facing, fold-down rear seat.

Long hot dry spell. Sudden rain. Tight corner too fast (Beefy Mazda
diseasle engine), spun three times and in to the ditch, back-end first.

Only injury... adult in fwd-facing rear seat (lap belt). The fold-down
legs buckled and the fixed part of the mounting half tore out.
Effectively the passenger, strapped to large steel mounting plates under
the floor, was free to pivot about his pelvis, wrecking the seat beneath
him. His arm was flung through the rear glass and he sustained an
unpleasant gash.

Maybe the fact that the seat crumpled was A Good Thing in that it
absorbed some of the energy of the impact.. maybe a more solid seat and
a proper 3-point belt would have restrained him.

I'm certainly thinking long and hard about the best way of fixing my
children in the back of my Series III SWB. I cannot believe that side-
facing seats are safe and wonder if *rear* facing would be the best
option (high energy impacts tend to be head-on). Should I fit a cage and
fix the seat belt mountings to that? It's a problem...
-- 
Nick Hacking          nick@hacking.demon.co.uk
                                
These promises are fair; The parties sure, 
And our induction full of prosperous hope!                       (Henry IV 1)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:52:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Questions

Oddly enough, I've been experimenting with one for the past 6 months or so.

It's the Rochester 1-bbl carb. from a Chevrolet Vega. It's designed for an
engine of 140 c.i. (remarkably close to a Rover), and can be bolted onto
the manifold with a linkage modification or two. I picked mine up from a
carb. rebuild shop - they had it on the shelf and seemed glad to be rid of
it. Wonder why, considering I haven't seen a Vega in years.

It runs nicely, definitely gives a power increase at the expense of 1-2 MPG
over the Weber, and is a royal bitch to start when it's cold and been
sitting overnight. I'm not sure if it's this one or the breed, but it seems
to bleed down overnight and require a certain amount of choke and
pedal-pumping to get it started on cold mornings. It's designed to work
with an electric fuel pump, and i'm speculating that it expects to see fuel
pressure before the engine starts, leading to hard starts with a mechanical
pump.

When I get my Weber rebuilt and can get it back on I'll go  in and have a
look at the check valves, but till then i'm just living with it.

It will not, repeat not work properly with the oil-bath - it strangles very
badly. I'm running a paper element cleaner with it and it's quite happy -
and the plugs are the proper colour, so the mix is right.

I cruise at 65-70 every day with the OD back and forth to work - makes me
happy, and I don't need a flow bench to tell me this.

                                   ajr

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:45:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Help!!!!

Ok, simple enough.

A Helicoil will do what you need, but it's a bit more complex than you
think. The head will have to come off - some do it without doing this by
filling the tap with heavy grease to catch the chips then putting a vacuum
hose into the cylinder to get the rest, but I don't care for it personally.

You need to tap the head to the outer diameter/thread of the Helicoil, then
put the Helicoil in with a tool made for the operation. Then, the sparkplug
threads into the Helicoil as it did into the old threads.

Talk to a good auto-parts shop - they will be able to give you the tap,
tool and helicoil insert you need.

                              ajr

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:03:12 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Questions

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> So, if one were so inclined as to want to fit a Rochester Carb to a 2.25 petrol,
> where would one get such a carb and would it bolt straight on?

Commonly available, scrapyard, Canadian Tire, wherever. A piece of 1/4"
aluminum and an hour or so are all you'll need to fit it.

> What is the model number of the carb and what jet
> combinations work best?

Ask for a Monojet, they'll know what you mean. Jet size? I can't
remember. I believe TeriAnn posted the numbers some time ago. TeriAnn?

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:07:59 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Major down again...

Great! You've done it! With all these messages about unsubscribing, the
Major is now upset! 

The Lucas demon has awaked!

Get well, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:11:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Measuring gear oil, was Gearbox-gynaecology HELP!

Adrian mentioned that he needed help figuring a way to measure the right
amount of 90wt and getting it into the gearbox and transfer case. Sorry if
this has been addressed, but here's what I did. I bought a five (us) gallon
pail of 80w90 and a lid with a pump in the center of it. The pump delivers
about 2.5 ounces per stroke (I also bought a measuring cup just for the Rover
(gee, honey, no, they taste as great as they ever did, honest!!) to keep
peace in the kitchen). Did the math, trans took 20 to 24 strokes, transfer
case took 40. And the hose on the pump fit the hole in the trans OK. I used
the top cover a'la Alan's suggestion. I also used an additive called Morey's,
also marketed as Lucas, which strings the oil into long chains of molecules
(I guess) which climb the gears instead of being thrown off. Pansy much
quieter now.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!! 

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:12:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Eine kliene fahrvergnugen, was Suppressor

In case anyone need spark plug suppression, the bosch bakelite plug ends
found on air cooled VWs are good for a thousand ohms each, and fit over any
plug that the screw on end has been removed from. Other end screws (!?!) into
the plug wire. Best used on real wire plug wires.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!! 

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:39:38 -0600 (CST)
From: "Michael K. Jablonski" <mjablons@shrike.depaul.edu>
Subject: What's the deal?

Is there anybody out there?  Can you here me Majordomo?  I am floating in my
Land Rover far across the Moon; all the subscribers are doomed and there's
nothing I can do!!!!!!!

We know there is a problem now; the whole unsubscribing thing has grown
tyresome!!!!!!   Can somebody help me?  I've tried all the fun little tricks
that were sent over the subscription!

I believe Majordomo needs an overhaul not our Landies!  As I have said in
the past:  "Land Rovers will live forever, WHY should this
subscription(Majordomo)"

I say we should all exchange Emails and play nice!!

I think I've severely knocked some bolts loose.  Why will the lovely and
pain in the @*# Majordomo sendd us some useful information.

Cheers
   MKJ

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Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:49:44 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Questions

At  7:03 PM 2/11/97 -0800, Greg Moore wrote:

>Bobeck, David R. wrote:
;
>> So, if one were so inclined as to want to fit a Rochester Carb to a 2.25
>>petrol,
;> where would one get such a carb and would it bolt straight on?
>Commonly available, scrapyard, Canadian Tire, wherever. A piece of 1/4"
>aluminum and an hour or so are all you'll need to fit it.
;
>> What is the model number of the carb and what jet
;> combinations work best?
>Ask for a Monojet, they'll know what you mean. Jet size? I can't
>remember. I believe TeriAnn posted the numbers some time ago. TeriAnn?
;
>Cheers, Greg
;
Ya boss.  Sorry I'm late

The Rochester carb most sought after for the 2.25L petrol is from a 1954
Chevy.  The air cleaner fits just like it does on a stock LR carb. It has a
manual choke.  I used a nylon cable clamp to clamp the choke cable housing
to the carb.  I've secured it with one of the four screws that hold the top
down.

Its a direct bolt on replacement for a Solex.  If you are replacing a
Zenith or aftermarket Webber you need to get rid of that adaptor that turns
the carb 90 degrees.

All you need to do to the stock linkage is change the length of the final
arm to the carb (its adjustable).

I put in a rubber fuel line between the fuel pump and the carb with an
inline fuel filter near the carb.  I used the push on brass hose fittings.
The vacume tube fittings are compatible with the stock distributer.  Last
year mine broke and I replaced it with the new style Lucas distributer that
has a slide on rubber tube fiting on the vacume advance.  I could not find
a fitting on the carb end that would work.  I cobeled one up from my old
copper tube fitting, I have a one inch length of copper tubing coming out
of the vacume advance hole in the carb with a fitted brass nipple from a
compression fitting.  i slipped the hose over that & it works fine,

Jetting.  #56 is way too rich.  #48 is too lean.  I lost power and burnt
valves.  I'm currently running #52.  it seems ballpark to just slightly
rich. I have heard that #51 is a very good choice.  These jet sizes are for
sea level & below 5000 feet.  Above there you should be running leaner
jets.

           |   "The Green Rover"
           |    1960 109 two door
           |    with Dormobile top
           |
           | _______     ____
        .==|"======="==='    `==============.
       /   |                                 \
       |  .|________________________________.|
       |/  |     ___________________     .. \|
      ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|,
       | .-|-. | |                 | | .-||. |
       | | | | | |                 |'%,| ||| |         TeriAnn Wakeman
       | | | | | |                 | | |.||| |           Santa Cruz
    _  | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| |  _        California
   (_) | | | | |                     | ||||| | (_)
      \| `-|-' |         ==         '% ||||' |/     twakeman@scruznet.com
      ,'===|===|=====================|=||||===`
      |(o) |  0||        ||         ||0||||(o)|
      |(o) o   ||        ||         || ||||(o)|
      ||  ==   ||        ||         || ||||  ||
      || ____  ||        ||         || ||||__||
      |||7050| ||        ||         || |____/||
      || ----  ||________||_________||   ||  ||
      ||_______|_____________________|___||__||
      | |     |        | _ |          |     | |
      |_|_____|________[ - ]__________|_____|_|
      |  Land  |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~| Land   |
      |    /   |                     |   /    |
      |  Rover |                     | Rover  |
      |________|                     |________|
       |\\~//|                         |\\~//|
       |_\_/_|                         |_\_/_|

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@intellinet.com>
Subject: Photo Archive
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:48:10 -0500

Thank you very much for the contributions:

Mikkio from Norway
Marlene from Canada

Dixon Kenner of the OVLR

and 

S Vels again,

All your contributions have been added to the archive.
Your original photos are in the return post.

To one and ALL,  Please support the archive, SEND contributions

Thanks 
Rod Steele

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:36:10 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Rust 

Wise people,

what do you do to protect the insides of your ungalvanised frames
against rust?  Mine is in very good condition and treated from the
outside, but I'd like to keep it that way..on the inside too.

I had an idea to spray the insides regularly with diesel (no my lr does
not leak that much oil)..

or am i too paranoid?

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Electronic rust gadget
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 20:02:00 EST

Iwan Vosloo wrote:
>>I recently saw an advert for an electronic gadget that's supposed to
>>protect a car from rust.  Does anyone know of such a thing / have any
>>experience with it?  I would love to know if and how it works.

Ron Beckett replied
> I saw one reviewed in the Australian magazine "Overlander" a couple of 
years ago.  I can probably >chase the article down and fax it to you if you 
like.  The device is listed as a spare part by several of the >major 
Japanese car manufacturers.  The article was complimentary.

I have now found the article.  If you are interested I can fax a copy to 
you.  Email your fax number to me.
I'd scan the article and OCR it but the PC to which our scanner is attached 
has decided that it no longer wants to talk to the hard disk drive.  (We 
only just got the flaming scanner fixed 'cos the PC wouldn't talk to it!)
What would be nice is for the magazine to do a follow-up.  The article was 
printed in February 1993.  I'll write and ask them to do so.

(I won't fax it to everyone - I can't afford that many international calls)

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: 1995 Discovery 5 Spd   With  10500  miles (fwd)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:46:47 -0700 (MST)

Please reply to Lisa Dapolito <lisad1@IDT.NET> as well as the list.

 Dear members,
 
                  I recently tried to adjust my idle knob,because
 my vapor canister aka purge system,was making a sort of a humming
 tapping sound which could be heard though the dash as a rattling
 sound. The reason I tried to do this was because if I ever so slightly
 pushed on gas pedal it would make the sound go away,In doing this I
 think I made the check engine light come on by means of the on board
 computer. Please tell me how to reset this light,I have since reset
 idle knob to factory specs. The reason I want to know this is because
 every time I take my disco to the service department I find that some
 thing new goes wrong. I have other problems with this truck and would
 like to ask future questions.
 
                                    PS Dealers will never tell you 
                                    anything unless moneys involved.
 
                                  Gregory Lichtenson New York City.
 

forwarded by:
T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Rust
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 08:54:00 PST

In the UK the favourite thing to spray inside the chassis is 'Finnegan's 
Waxoyle', comes in 5litre cans and spray nozzles are available.  Guess 
something similar will be able in your neck of the woods. I'm intending 
spraying mine this summer.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------

Wise people,

what do you do to protect the insides of your ungalvanised frames
against rust?  Mine is in very good condition and treated from the
outside, but I'd like to keep it that way..on the inside too.

I had an idea to spray the insides regularly with diesel (no my lr does
not leak that much oil)..

or am i too paranoid?

 - Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

------------------------------

From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:57:05 +0100
Subject: Heater problem solved!

Well, actually not solved, I just found the problem.

The good, ol' original heater in my SIII never pushed much air into
the interior. What little there came was warm enough, but there was
precious little of it, although the air flow from the fan itself is OK.

As I'm in the process of replacing my bulkhead, I removed the heater unit
last night. I've never seen such a poor fit. It "fits" into the angle
between the footwell and the vertical part of the bulkhead... leaving
several mm's of gap. Almost a cm in some places. Also, the gasket was
long gone. In addition to this, I suspect that the spare large holes
predrilled in the housing in order to accomodate a reversed heater
core (for those who drive on the wrong side of the road) don't help
very much either. The tape (!) that sealed these holes originally
was long gone.

I guess I'll be plating the holes and adding a tube of silicone on
refitting the thing!

TK
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol
(Soon with D90 bulkhead :-)

-- 
telnet 144.92.240.17 666
**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--**--
Terje Krogdahl              Multix A/S            Phone   +47 2206 2600
E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lysaker Torg 25       Fax     +47 2206 2626
        support@multix.no   N-1324, Lysaker       Direct  +47 6711 3657

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From: "Paul Garside" <pgarside@infocomm.dungeon.com>
Subject: MPi?
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:20:12 -0800

Leafing through my Disco workshop manual, information is included for an
engine called the MPi,
which looks suspiciously like the Rover M1 - four cylinder, 16-valve twin
cam with fuel injection.

Is there any evidence this engine was ever fitted to the Discovery? It
would be interesting, though perhaps too lacking in torque.

Paul.

________________________________________

Paul Garside                  
Communication Consultant, Infocomm
Cockfield, Suffolk, England
pgarside@infocomm.dungeon.com
http://www.dungeon.com/~infocomm/
+44 (0)1284 828040
________________________________________

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <Alain-Jean.Pares@inforoute.cgs.fr>
Subject: Mailing List usage
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:46:15 +0100

Hi,

While reading all the messages from everywhere, it seems it should be a 
little bit easier to read the EMails if in the subject line there is 
something like

[SER] then subject text for Series questions or info,
[DISCO] for Discovery...

As I receive sometimes 100 messages a day, I have not enought time to read 
everything, and if I leave the office for 3 or 4 days, just imagive how 
convenient it would be just to see what should interest me a lot (Series of 
course).

We do it in some French newsgroups, why not apply it to this List ?

Tell us what you may think about it.

Thanks for all the advices I get here, (I did my head gasket 2 weeks ago, 
and still lot of white smoke !!!, may be something to do with the butterfly 
?)

Alain-Jean PARES
88 Serie III RHD Diesel.
Sorry for my English.
Paris, FRANCE ( Paris until Sunday, then Fontainebleau, we're moving the 
office)

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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 03:28:04 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Mailing List usage

At 11:46 AM 2/12/97, Alain-Jean PARES wrote:
:While reading all the messages from everywhere, it seems it should be a 
:little bit easier to read the EMails if in the subject line there is 
:something like
:
:[SER] then subject text for Series questions or info,
:[DISCO] for Discovery...
:
:As I receive sometimes 100 messages a day, I have not enought time to read 
:everything, and if I leave the office for 3 or 4 days, just imagive how 
:convenient it would be just to see what should interest me a lot (Series of 
:course).
:
:We do it in some French newsgroups, why not apply it to this List ?
:Tell us what you may think about it.

 It is no small wonder that the French are the leaders of the free world ;)

 Actually, "Series" and "Disco" email is seperated by having two different
 mailing lists.  Disco, Defender, and Range Rover mail should be directed
 to the RRO list at <RRO@playground.sun.com>, and "Series only" mail to
 <Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com>.

 However, better usage of the Subject line would help everybody.  I too
 toss out most of the mail based on the Subject line, and may even have
 missed many personal messages or replies because of this. 

:Sorry for my English.

 Not to worry! Your English is much better than my French ;) 

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 Avoid ALL attachments to your email, please.

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <Alain-Jean.Pares@inforoute.cgs.fr>
Subject: RE: Mailing List usage
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:32:01 +0100

>It is no small wonder that the French are the leaders of the free world ;)
 >Actually, "Series" and "Disco" email is seperated by having two different
 >mailing lists.  Disco, Defender, and Range Rover mail should be directed
 >to the RRO list at <RRO@playground.sun.com>, and "Series only" mail to
 ><Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com>.

I made this proposal cause I saw it in french newsgroups, and because I 
receive a lot of coil sprung related messages in the leaf sprung one.
>Avoid ALL attachments to your email, please.
I just saw it, sorry, I believe it won't be in the future.

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