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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 7:04:20 EST

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:41:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Towing Expectations

Alan , don`t sweat it . I towed mine all the way from Maine to Maryland at 70
to 75 mph (would`nt have done it if I thought it was unsafe,) I have
trailered a boat for 8yrs now  and this trip was more stabil that towing the
boat .(You just have to have a "light hand on compensating ) Should be no
problem   Rdgs,

                                                                         Rick
`96 Disco "Patsy"
`63 SII      "Edina"
`97  Blazer  "it was free --- what the hell"

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 07:52:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 1997 d90sw cd player

RUN , FIND ANOTHER DEALER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET RID OF THIS LOSSSSSSSSERRRRRR!!
 Rgds,
     Rick
`96 Disco "Patsy"
`63 SII      "Edina"
`97  Blazer  " it was free -- what the hell"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 08:14:35 -0400
Subject: Re: What do I buy?

In a choice with the ones you've mentioned, a Jeep CJ might be best......

8*) 8*) 8*)

Seriously, I think I'd run with the Series IIa vehicle. If you take
halfshafts and EP90, everything else is pretty-well bulletproof and easily
repaired. I'd be a bit more leery of the LT77 in an older Rangie, and/or
the transfer case diff...

Either would be fine, though, depending on how far out in the boonies you
go....

               aj"A natural inclination toward Series, though..."r

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:02:19 -0500
From: Lee Levitt <wheelman@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Major upcoming events - anybody have some to ad?

At 09:05 PM 2/8/97 EST, Beckett, Ron wrote:
>From: Lee Levitt
>>Had planned to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>A P1800?? As driven by Simon Templar aka The Saint in the TV series
>where the ST was played by Roger Moore?

Exactly! First couple of years production, the body was built by Jensen
Coachworks and shipped to Sweden for final assembly. I've owned a bunch of
1800s...came very close to restoring a '62 (the English one)...finally
decided that for what it would cost to restore an early one, I could *buy*
a complete ready to roll late ('72) that was a much nicer driver's car.

So now I'm driving a Range Rover :)

Lee
Lee Levitt
wheelman@shore.net
Director, Business Development, Software.com - http://www.software.com
webmaster, NeedhamOnline - http://www.needhamonline.com
and http://www.wheelman.com (some cool stuff for gearheads like me!)
1995 Range Rover County LWB, 42K, member Bay State Rovers
1990 Audi 200T, 75K
1987 Wicked Fat Chance, 1981 Condor

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 08:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: What do I buy?

If you can afford the petrol buy an early Rangie. I have one and it's a great
TRUCK, Not very plushmobile. 
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 09:01:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Anybody in the Boston, Ma., USA area got a towbar?

Hi Dave ,  trip was flawless no "wagging" even at 75 . I get more wagging
from my boat (wheels need to be moved back ) .  dave the Disco is so solid
when it`s  towing it`s unbelievable. If anyone has one don`t be afraid to do
it , just use common sense and always look for what`s up ahead.         Rgds,
                                                                  Rick
`96 Disco "Patsy"
`63SII       "Edina"
`97 Blazer "what the hell~~~it was free"

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 18:09:46 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Gearbox-gynaecology HELP!

Well I solved the clutch problem - had to remove the box again after
several attempts at locating the clutch shaft without it's plastic clip,
whilst laying under the van - a bit like gutting a chicken really!
Eventually the shaft dropped into the clutch housing, so I had to rip
the box out again and start over... (That was saturday for me)

Now it's all installed and soon ready for testing - but first oil in the
gearbox and transferbox.

The oil filler holes are on the sides of the box, and I don't have a oil
gun which can hook into these holes to fill her up - neither do I have
an appropriate funnel and hose. Question is, can I measure the gear oil
required, and removing the top cover plates, just pour it in from above?

any (quick) answers on this on will be appreciated!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:44:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Gearbox-gynaecology HELP!

Re: Pouring the oil in from the top:

Most certainly - no reason not to.

The old Series II and Revision A IIa boxes actually had a dipstick and an
oil port on the top of the transmission specifically for the purpose of
keeping tabs on the leakage rate. A very handy thing indeed - one I wish
they had never eliminated.

The transfer case has a plug over the output shaft on the top of the box
for this - no need to unbolt covers.

               aj"Been there....done that"r

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:49:40 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Brakes for Chevy Six in Land Rover

At 03:21 AM 2/8/97 -0500, Paul Donohue <DONOHUEPE@aol.com> wrote:
:Several years ago in the People's Republic of Boulder (PRB) Colorado, there
:was a 109 SW which had been fitted with a 258 CID Jeep six.  The owner,
:fearful of drivetrain damage, had used the engine, transmission and transfer
:case from a recent CJ.  Claimed it ran well and had plenty of power on the
:highway and especially in the mountains.  The 6.5:1 first gear with a 2.46
:transfer case and a 4.7 Rover diff gave him bulldozer power.  Parts are easy
:to find and local mechanics know how to work on these engines.  The only
:problem with his conversion was the complete lack of a handbrake.

 Most conversions designed to make the Landie go fast, give very little
 thought as to how to make it stop!

 Mike Hoskins, 816-763-3797 in Kansas City offers US brake backing plates
 for Series Land Rovers allowing the use of American brake parts.  The shoes
 are much bigger and require a set of Defender brake drums.  Best of all,
 a handbrake can be fitted at each rear wheel, instead of behind the
 transmission.  This setup would be a good match for the CJ-109 in Boulder.

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597  

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:04:40 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Hello &Tilt Dye

Bren Workman asked about dyeing his hood from blue to black. My Slll L/W 's
former owner, HRH Liz Windsor, had spray painted it matt black over NATO
green. The matt black camo continued up over the  OD tilt. After about a
year this was fading due sun/weather so I just resprayed it. which has got
to be easier than dyeing it (patchy finishes etc). The tilt retains its
flexibility and rainseems to run off the black camo sections quicker than
off the non-painted bits, so it seems to give some degree of extra
waterproofing as well. The roll up bit over the tailgate fades slightly
quicker than the rest because of flexing etc. Get spraying mate!
  Ron Becket asked about a 4WD he can dent and hang jerry cans on? Its any
LR Ron-- anyway mate RRs and Discos are girly.

Cheers,
Mike Gaines,Slll Lightweight  ' Wicked Wanda'.
PS Re USCG v. UKCG, if I get stuck down a cliff I'll ask for a helo; our
lot seem to spend their time bombing their customers/survivors with
assorted 4WDs.

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:44:18 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Hello &Tilt Dye

Mike Gaines wrote:
> My Slll L/W 's former owner, HRH Liz Windsor, had spray painted it 
> matt black over NATO green. 

So does that mean that you are less likely to call SPOT (stupid previous owner 
trick), lest you find yourself in a more 'towering' residence?

C^D

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:20:48 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Series I 80" Restoration

JL - personally I think you should try and keep your 80" as original as 
feasible, i.e. as original as your intended use and your pocket book allow. 

Original starters and dynamos are still available from some places in the 
UK. These include

Dunsfold LR
Alfold Road
Dunsfold
Godalming, Surrey GU8 4NP
Tel UK 1483 200567
Fax UK 1483 200738

L. Stafford Dovey
173/4 Acre Rd
Carlton, Nr. Newmarket
Suffolk CB8 9LF
Tel UK 1223 290468

John Craddock Ltd
70-76 North Street
Bridtown, Cannock
Staffordshire WS11 3AZ
Tel UK 1543 577207
Fax UK 1543 504818

Whenever possible I deal with the first two. Dunsfold have an incredible 
Land-Rover collection that they show once a year, in late September or early 
October, and are dedicated and knowledgeable. "Staff" Dovey is a one-man 
show, but seems to be on a first-name basis with every old Land-Rover in the 
UK and can find the most amazing parts for you. He owns an amphibian L-R 
that he uses for towing. Craddock I have found to be very unreliable, but 
they have a large stock of Series I parts.

The starter on your car is either a Lucas M418G/C or a Lucas M418G/76 (on 
the early 2 liter engine). The dynamo would have been a Lucas C39PV. You 
would find both part numbers stamped on the body of the starter and dynamo 
somewhere, together with the month and year of manufacture. If you have any 
Lucas dealers specializing in older British cars in your country (Chile?), 
you might be able to get the parts there. Good luck!
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:20:52 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Dyeing the hood

Bren wanted to know about changing the colour of his hood. According to 
TeriAnn (Dec. 92) you can use Ritz Dye tablets. The colour will fade after a 
while, but the process is easily repeated and apparently quite cheap. Hood 
sticks and hoods are available new from some UK sources, if that should be 
necessary.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: PWright@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:28:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

I never subscrbed!!!

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 23:20:51 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

PWright@aol.com wrote:
> I never subscrbed!!!

Oh stop whining will you, Land-Rover envy is nothing to be ashamed of.
Why, the kind folk on the list are even prepared to donate various
almost new bits so you can build one yourself.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

PS I have an almost new, almost good, 75 litre fuel tank I could chip
in.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:19:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Painting and Rover Colors

Dr. Cooper,

You all have spent too much time in the Ozarks.  I grew up in Mountain Home
(see Baxter County).  Your wife must have been associated with someone from
the Buford Community.  Buford predates your Rover by about 120 years.

However, with the rise of antihillbillitius during the sixties (see Beverly
Hillbillies) and the election of the former Governor, and the need for
language correctness (see Moronics); we tru suns of Arkansaw must klaim r rat
2 names as theys sposed to bee.

BTW, we will be at Camp Robinson the second week of March.  Will E-mail later
as to a schedule.  Hope to be able to get together for a bit of libation and
great conversation.  Another BTW, glad you got back from Fla. with a minimum
of problems.

'til later,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:20:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Painting and Rover Colors

Oops!!

Forgot to check the private address versus the response to the whole net.
 Mea culpa, mea culpa.

Larry Smith

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 21:24:05 UT
From: "Trevor Talbot" <fc101@msn.com>
Subject: Speed

Iwan
      Information you wanted

Average Fuel Consumption             Petrol                 Diesel
                                                   ( 88&109)              ( 88 
& 109)
                                           2.25             2.6
         M.P.G                    18 -20             14.6              28-32   
  
                    * *=Laden  ^^=Unladen
Acceleration                    SWB                                        LWB
                                  Petrol        Diesel              2.25 Pet  
2.6 Pet  2.25 Dies
Top gear-High /rat  . **      ^^       **      ^^         **     ^^       **   
 ^^      **    ^^
10-30 mph           10.7   13.9    12.1  15.1      15.3  21.6   10.1 15.8  
14.9  22.6

 20-40 mph           10.5   13.0    12.1  15.1      16.6  23.3   10.5  16.3  
14.8 23.5

 30-50                   12.1  16.3    15.6   20.3      19.5  29.2   12.2  
19.3  19.0 32.8

Through gears
 0---30                     5.8     7.3     7.0      8.6        8.4  10.1    
6.4   7.5     7.8   11.5

 0---40                     9.7    12.6    12.0    14.4     14.5  17.6   10.7  
13 0  13.6   20.1

 0---50                    16.3   21.1    20.5    25.3     23.1  29.6   15.9  
20.6  23.4   37.1

Maximum Speed         65-70              60-65            65-70          72    
        60-65

Maximum Gradient   37                30                  39               41   
         29
                             these figures are for laden . 
                              For unladen the gradient is over 45 deg for all 
models.

Average Fuel Consumption       Petrol              Diesel
                                          SWB &LWB        SWB & LWB
                                      2.25          2.6
   M.P.G.                   18--20            14.6            28----32

 Usefull information
                                            SWB                   LWB 
Top gear (high transfer)
  m.p.h. per 1000 rev/min          15                     16.5
top gear (low transfer)
  m.p.h. per 1000 rev/min          7.2                     8.0
Crawling speedat 1000 rpm     
  in 1st gear (low transfer)          2                       2.2

Payloads                        SWB                               LWB
          Road work    3 persons plus 1000 lbs    3 persons plus 2000 llbs
      Cross country   3 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;800;;;     
3;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;1800;;;;;

                                SWB Station Wagon         LWB Station Wagon
           Road work   7 persons plus  100 lbs     10 persons plus 400 lbs
      Cross country   6;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;   50           
10;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;200;;
                                               
There is no cruising speed quoted because in England we didn't have Motorways 
in those days to cruise on , we had small winding roads ,horse and carts  
,cobbled streets.and gas street lighting. When we did get Motorways they got 
clogged up and we still couldn't get to cruising speed. Happy Days.Must 
replace the wicks on the Lucas lamps on the Land Rover today, getting a bit 
smokey.BTW I have the above figures for the 2a&2b Forward Control if required

Cheers 
Trevor       101 FC  GS
                 2a SWB Station Wagon
                 Ser 1 SWB

                              

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 16:42:47 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Stop sending me mail!!!

PWright@aol.com wrote:
> I never subscrbed!!!

Come on,denial is not going to help you solve anything.Face the facts,
your hooked on Land Rovers.You  will come to appreciate all this email
when you own up to that.

Regards,
Steve

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 17:32:40 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Serie I parts

S. Vels wrote:
> > From:          jtrisott@reuna.cl (JLTrisotti)
> > Subject:       Serie I parts
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> sv/aurens
> Not afiliated and all that.If you can give me some details about the starter like how the bendix 
looks etc. I might just have one we could part with cheap.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 20:54:49 -0500
From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: E-MAIL ADDRESS CHANGE

I have unsubscribed under the name EvanD103@aol.com, and resubscribed to the
Digest under the mindspring account name above.  I couldn't take the
connectivity problems with America Online anymore.  This is to advise my
fellow members of the Southern Land Rover Society, should they wish to
E-mail me.
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
1973 Series III  88"

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:51:50 -0500 (EST)
From: "Stuart H. Moore-Roanoke College" <SMOORE@ACC.ROANOKE.EDU>
Subject: RE: spin on oil filter

David:

You've got a great family name!!  Anyway, sorry it took me so long
to reply about the oil filter adapters.  Here is some more info:

2 piece disk design
replaces your old oil can and the neck on the side of the motor
sending unit threads into the side
will work with the Range Rover oil filter or the more common PH8A 
 (like most older Ford trucks use)

This is a great adapter.  Mine has been in place for 8k miles now
and works great.  It is a very ingenious design.  Simple and very
functional while being near "bullet proof".

The man who designed and builds these adapters is Jeff Hamm of
Roanoke, Virginia.  The price is $85.  He can be reached at home
(540) 427-5715.

Sincerely,

Stuart H. Moore
1961 series II 88"

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:02:37 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: insurance in the UK

Hello,

I am planning to be in the UK in May.  While there, I would like to borrow
a friends Land-Rover Dormobile.  My insurance company here in the states
will not cover me in the UK.  They could not recommend any UK firm to me.

has anyone on the list made arrangements for automobile insurance for 2
weeks while driving a borrowed car?

Doe sanyone currently living in the UK have any suggestions for firms to
contact  for this insurance?  If I had name and addresses (maybe fax
numbers?) I could write some letters and investigate the situation.

Thanks for your help,

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
                                  1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 16:09:25 +1100
From: Allen Northwood <northwoo@deakin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: What do I buy?

At 08:14 8/02/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Seriously, I think I'd run with the Series IIa vehicle. If you take
>halfshafts and EP90, everything else is pretty-well bulletproof and easily
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>repaired. I'd be a bit more leery of the LT77 in an older Rangie, and/or
>the transfer case diff...

This a delurk and dopey question, sorry,  but what is a EP90?

Regards
Allen Northwood

northwoo@deakin.edu.au

95 Disco
looking for non-smoking SIIa 109 with a view to restoration and a long-term
relationship...
Allen Northwood
80 Corinth Rd
Heathcote NSW 2233
Australia

northwoo@deakin.edu.au

95 Disco
looking for non-smoking SIIa 109 with a view to restoration and a long-term
relationship...

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 21:43:50 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: insurance in the UK

John Hess said:

>I am planning to be in the UK in May.  While there, I would like to borrow
>a friends Land-Rover Dormobile.  My insurance company here in the states
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>has anyone on the list made arrangements for automobile insurance for 2
>weeks while driving a borrowed car?

When I was headed over there, my friend Peter Bradley wanted to get me
covered on his Discovery and on his Ibex.  The Ibex is on a commercial
policy (it's owned by his business, Peter Bradley Plastics) and he found
that I was automatically covered there.  His Disco was on his private family
policy and he was able to add me at a small cost.  I had to supply all sorts
of information and had to go to the AAA here and pay $10 to get an
international driving permit (also had to have a passport photo for this but
I happened to have an extra).

Hope this helps,

Granny

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Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 21:51:32 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: What do I buy?

Allen Northwood asked:

>This a delurk and dopey question, sorry,  but what is a EP90?

AKA "90-weight."  That's gear oil.  Not all that obvious in the context.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:01:56 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: What do I buy?
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> This a delurk and dopey question, sorry,  but what is a EP90?
> Regards
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> looking for non-smoking SIIa 109 with a view to restoration and a long-term
> relationship..... Hello Mr Delurker.
EP90 is "Blackpool" code for Engine Puddles, refill every 90 days. In 
the postwar period British engineers in both the Motor and Oil 
industries had a summit in "Blackpool" and decided/conspired on several 
measures to double the sales of Oil, petrol, engine and drivetrain parts 
for their mutual benefit. An example of these policies is one of those 
S11a thingys which predictably leak, smoke, grind and combust copiously. 
The Blackpool Covenant predated all forms of consumer awareness, and 
it's spirit was thoroughly complied with through all British 
manufacturing, Lucas being a notable early adherent. The exact 
methodology used is not in my field. Perhaps some else with more 
expertise could add info here...
Cheers Ross.

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 03:35:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: insurance in the UK

In a message dated 09/02/97  05:45:21, you write:

<< of information and had to go to the AAA here and pay $10 to get an
 international driving permit (also had to have a passport photo for this but
 I happened to have an extra).
  >>

You don't need an international driving licence for the UK.  I have friends
visit from the States and I have been with a friend of mine when the police
stopped us (She was driving in the outside lane) and she produced her CA
licence no problems.  You can hire a car here with just a US licence (again I
have been present when this is done).  Alternatively you can always use
someone elses licence as UK ones don't have photos (Not recommended, just in
case).

Regards 

Jamie

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 03:35:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: insurance in the UK

In a message dated 09/02/97  04:58:21, you write:

<< I am planning to be in the UK in May.  While there, I would like to borrow
 a friends Land-Rover Dormobile.  My insurance company here in the states
  >>

I don't know how good a friend your friend is but if he's going to trust you
with his LR maybe he'll trust you with his insurance and add you to his
cover.  This would be the cheapest option.  Other wise call the AA insurance
and ask their advice.

Regards

Jamie

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