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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Glow plugs
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 10:41:00 PST

Should work as a short term measure, however unless your bypass wire has the 
same resistance as the glow plug you will increase the load on the other 3 
glow plugs and they will probably burn out quite rapidly.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

p.s apologies if someone has already told you this, our mailer has been done 
over night.
 ----------
So, couldnt you get yourself going by bypassing teh duff one WITH a
bit of bent wire???????

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:04:29 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: 2.25 l Compressed Head Gasket Thickness?

>Jim Allen wrote:
>>         There are composite and copper gaskets. I miked a composite gasket
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>cheers,
>Jeremy

        Whoops! Forgot to be specific. That was .044" post torque!

        Jim Allen

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:14:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........

>> but by snicking it out of 
>> gear clutchless and then using teh clutch only to put it into the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>If done correctly, none. If you're *really* good, you don't need a
>clutch at all. It's called "speed shifting".

Changing totally clutchless is quite easy on teh 90 - you can make 
good speed down backroads clutchless cahhanging to allow left foot 
braking.

\synchros may be given an unhealthy spin as the gears DIS-engage.
\Probably  trivial, but why chance-it? 

To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is 
likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
the gearbox has to be dropped to fix either, it really seems to make 
sod all difference which bit is damaged from the point of view of 
eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
weakest link....
 

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:24:54 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Re: My Rover Leaks (*surprise*)

To Dave, Chris, Sandy, Jean:

yes thanks Dave, you replied to my 'hijacking' of Chris' question...  I
have the SIII and I do indeed suspect the hinge bolt.  
BUT:
I have sealed it with lots of silicone (as suggested by Sandy
too)--still did not make a difference.  Perhaps I put it on over old
silicone?

(Sandy & Dave: did you seal it on the inside or outside?  I only sealed
from the outside.)

I'm beginning to think that it might have cracked the windscreen bits
through which it passes (below it, where you can't see--where else?).

I must say, I'd rather replace the vent rubbers (as suggested by Jean)
before I go to immense lengths (like getting the windscreen to fold out
on a stationwagon) to get that silly hinge bolt out!  Maybe, just maybe
they leak in some weird place where I can't see either.

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel SW )

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:28:40 +0100 (MET)

Andy writes:
| The question is, which is 
| likely to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
| eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
| weakest link....
Hm! You have to drop the g'box for both, that's right, but you don't
have to open the box itself to pull the lever.
Guess what I prefer...
BTW. My lever left for clutch lever heaven 3 weeks after they pulled 
the tranny for a shot clutch last winter. argh! I had only 70.000km
on the clock. Change this thing whenever you are in there. The
labour costs are about 10 times more then the price of this ingenious 
designed masterpiece. Or even better, weld something over the pivot 
point to reinforce it.

Keep the oily side down,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Single-declutching........
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:41:28 +-100

Andy Woodward[SMTP:azw@aber.ac.uk] wrote:

Changing totally clutchless is quite easy on teh 90 - you can make 
good speed down backroads clutchless cahhanging to allow left foot 
braking.

\synchros may be given an unhealthy spin as the gears DIS-engage.
\Probably  trivial, but why chance-it? 

To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is 
likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
the gearbox has to be dropped to fix either, it really seems to make 
sod all difference which bit is damaged from the point of view of 
eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
weakest link....
 
My point:
Use the clutch in a normal way, but do not 
rest Your left foot on it while driving.

If your clutch gives up first, you can drive 
without for a short period until you have time 
to fix it, if your gearchange levers gives up, 
you are stuck.
Then, when you repair your clutchlever, exchange the 
syncro and gearchange levers at the same time, and
you will probably never be standing on the soft 
shoulder without possibility to engage any gear except 
the free.

Happy Rovering

Bent

_____________________________________

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
 86" softtop, 2 litre, 1955

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: SIII Gearbox-outing
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 14:51:12 GMT

> Richard Marsden wrote:
> > > Calling all Series III gearbox buffs!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanks Richard - two more questions...
> what is FFR?

Fitted for Radio. I see other people have answered, but it was a radio wagon.
I still have most of the fittings, although the PO has added an RAF hardtop,
and a full set of seats. (original FFRs have a radio operator seat just
behind the bulkhead, there's also a radio table).
24v plus extra fittings, and lots of screening. I'm quite happy to continue
running 24v, although the distributor has been replaced by the civviie 
equiv. - the shielding was not worth the hassle.
The originals also had side mounts for aerials, and wing mounted boxes
(also for aerials).
 
> and do you have to open the hydraulic system to remove the clutch, or
> was your fluid-shower accidental and otherwise unnecessary?

Err, the latter! (The piston almost came out - its now strapped in with ties)
Taking the piping out, might make fitting easier, but then there's the hassle
of bleeding the system...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:57:13 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pickup lines...

Spenny writes:
>i actually tried a variant of the the line....
>*Excuse me, but my friend wants to know if you think we'll go metric?*

I've been re-thinking this.  I've decided the actual best line Roverwise
would be "Do you think we'll go Whitworth?"

And if she actually knows what you're saying--and she can name at least one
song each by Buffett (Margaritaville doesn't count here), Delbert
McClinton, John Hiatt, Buddy Guy, Junior Wells, BB King and Michael
Hill--you're looking at serious relationship material.

Owning her own MIG welder would be a nice extra...

RoverOn!

J "I can't believe the perfect woman has been so hard to find" B

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg   Purple Shark Media         Rowayton, CT
                  jeff@purpleshark.com
                   ==================
	Bimbo-limbo is where I've been...
	I'm looking for a smart woman in a real short skirt
	A smart woman who knows how to flirt
			--Jimmy Buffett, Smart Woman

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:01:04 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: RE: Mile Marker

>The bad news is, they _have_ to pull forever, since they are so slow :-)
>it's
>still slower than a comparable electric winch, but if you want a "working"
>winch, a PTO's the way to go.

The Mile Marker winch is a cool thing, will pull all day, etc etc, as
others have stated. But isn't the Mile Marker a PTO winch, meaning belt
driven by engine RPM's??? At what RPM was the engine when the cable was so
slow?? Just like any PTO winch, can't you rev. the engine to a better
working RPM?
Just curious... all other PTO's work that way.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Restoration, Custom work, and More
               Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 15:05:00 PST

Most mere mortals will do more damage to the gearbox learning how to speed 
shift than will be prevented by speed shifting. Unless you're rallying your 
Land Rover left foot braking isn't really needed, use the clutch.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------

Changing totally clutchless is quite easy on teh 90 - you can make
good speed down backroads clutchless cahhanging to allow left foot
braking.

\synchros may be given an unhealthy spin as the gears DIS-engage.
\Probably  trivial, but why chance-it?

To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is
likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since
the gearbox has to be dropped to fix either, it really seems to make
sod all difference which bit is damaged from the point of view of
eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the
weakest link....

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:05:45 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker

The Mile Marker winch is a cool thing, will pull all day, etc etc, as
> others have stated. But isn't the Mile Marker a PTO winch, meaning belt
> driven by engine RPM's??? At what RPM was the engine when the cable was so
> slow?? Just like any PTO winch, can't you rev. the engine to a better
> working RPM?

 I thought that this guy ran from the power steering pump...comments,
clarification appreciated!
--

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:14:20 +0100 (MET)

| I thought that this guy ran from the power steering pump...comments,
| clarification appreciated!
Doesn't matter here if PTO or belt driven. Both depend on engine speed.
cheer,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:25:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker

On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, David Cockey wrote:

> transfer case is alternatively used for an overdrive.  A PTO can also be
> mounted on the bottom of the transfer case in place of the pan.

	Never seen one of those...  WOuld be nice to find...

> agricultural devices. A member of the Series II Club in England is
> trying to preserve LR PTO equipment. This earned him an insult from LRW
> (Land Rover World magazine), now claimed to be "obvious" humor. 

	BS.  Any idea who in the II club?  Be interesting to write and get
	photos of some of this stuff...

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Subject: Digest table of contents & Re: FFR
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:06:53 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi folks,
	From the examples I've seen at the Heritage Motor Centre, they
state the transalation for 'FFR' is 'fully fitted radio', in the examples
on display, they had battery trays built in at the front of the bed, (for 
radio batteries), and a radio table above them, and framework to secure the
radios or prevent them from flying forward into the cab was also installed.

	For the digest folks, it appears someone has been playing with 
the mailer configuration on playground.sun.com, and where the From line
used to be the original sender, it is now simply 'lro-owner', so sorry

        2 lro-owner          Mon Jan 27 04:40   23/1052  Atlantic British Lamps
        3 lro-owner          Mon Jan 27 04:50   39/1842  painting
        4 lro-owner          Mon Jan 27 04:51   26/1352  Practical Classics

for the obscurification, but I'll check with the powers that be and 
see if this is reversable on their part, or if I'll have to figure out
another way to do it.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
		http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:03:04 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........

>To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is 
>likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
>weakest link....

Right-on. I'm used to II-A, which has it's lever external. I must have 
missed the beginning of the thread. If the synchro goes, it can still be 
driven ( sort of reverting to it's original form?), but if the linkage goes, 
well, we've all heard tales of starting in-gear, etc. It can be done.
JohnO

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:20:59 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: power-steering/ Mile Marker

The Mile Marker winch is intended to be powered from the power-steering 
pump. Alternatively, a dedicated hydraulic pump can be fitted that operates 
with an electric clutch reminscent of an Airconditioner compressor and 
powered by v-belt(s) from a front crankshaft pulley. The concept of using 
the PTO (as I interpret it) would be to mount the hydraulic pump to the 
transfer case. This would work and has been done for other applications. 
This would give several options: 4 (or 5?) different ratios, each also being 
proportional to engine rpm, a reverse (warning: be sure the pump and rest of 
the rest of the system will tolerate reverse), and stop/start/creep by using 
the clutch. It has the disadvantage of only pulling either with or without 
the wheels turning, rather than pulling constantly and modulating the clutch 
separately. Generally, not a big deal. It would be a very clean looking 
installation.
JohnO

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From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:56:26 +0100
Subject: lightweight

Hi Mark,

The dutch diesel lightweights were manufactured for the dutch army. So I 
think you will find more parts in the Netherlands than in Belgium. In 
Belgium there are very few lightweights driving around (I'm almost unique!). 
But (and now the good news...) I do have seen at least one dutch diesel LW 
and it was located in Brecht (North of Antwerp, highway to Breda, yust 
before the border Belgium/Netherland)  
The name is VOTRAC
the adress: Abdijlaan 10, Brecht 2690
Phone: 03/313 86 05 (when you're calling from Belgium) otherwise 0032/3/313 
86 05 
The guy has a lot of spare parts (some are cheap, other expensive, depends), 
about 100 army 109'  and 10-20 lightweights for sale (and one dutch one, 
when I was there) and some other army stuff.

There is also BLS 
Rue Ather (the streetname)
B-4728 Hergenrath-La Calamine
phone (0)87/65 93 20 
I don't know what he's selling, I do know that he was at Billing with a lot 
of trucks full of spare-parts for transport to belgium.

For other adresses (in the Netherlands) maybe you can contact

Dutch LR Register: 0031 (0) 522 443 252
Army Vehicle Club: 0031 (0) 356 831 043

Hope this helps and if you pass at Ghent (Gent) and you want tot see an 
other LW this is the adress: Bagattenstraat 29, 9000 Gent or  
Kazemattenstraat 48, 9000 Gent, phone 09/234 37 76 if I'm home of course...

Hope this helps,

Have a nice stay,
 
Philippe
 
  

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From: BRITISHNW@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:20:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Trivia Question

Anyone know the origin of the term "Elephant hide" in reference to the Grey
Leathercloth seats used in vintage Land-Rovers?  If so, please e-mail me at
britishnw@aol.com.  Thanks

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:34:51 +0000
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: (Fwd) Land rover memories

I sent my response about PC's to an OS/2 list I subscribe to. Just 
received a response. It *is* Land Rover related, by the way.

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:38:03 -6, Tom Rowe wrote:

>Somewhat off topic but thought some might give a chuckle.
>I'm subscrifbed to another list dedicated to Land Rovers. Someone
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>were trying to draw some kind of analogy between vehicle choice and
>OS choice). Well, this is how I responded. Helps explain my sig also.

Several dozen years ago, while in high school, several of us were
at a friend's parent's beach house. We decided to make a run to
the store early one morning but discovered a dead battery in the
only vehicle we had. 

I pointed out that it was a Landrover, that the hole in the front
bumper was for the hand crank, and that the crank was under the
seat. The owner didn't know this, and none of us had ever tried a
hand crank. Amazingly, it worked like a charm and we were on our
way very
quickly.

Ted

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 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:07:05 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Starter Solenoid Connections

Can somebody please tell me where the white and red igntion wire is
attached to their starter solenoid?  Is it on the spade plug on the hot
post, or on the spade plug in the middle of the solenoid?

Thanks for your help! John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
XO of the VMFA 509th COUGARS

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover(Smedley), 1966 Series IIA(Pondoro),
   1974 Series III(Swambo)

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:12:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Australian for Beer

On Tue, 28 Jan 97 Ron Beckett wrote: "Do all the readers of this list know
that "a slab" is Aussie for a carton of 24 cans of beer?"

No.  This reader didn't.  We in the US rely on Foster's Beer commercials to
teach us how to speak Australian.

LR content: A billboard spotted by my kids depicted a ratty old 109 SW with
the explanation "Australian for limo" and a picture of a beer can with the
explanation "Australian for beer".

Beer content: The diggers I used to drink with referred to beer as p*ss thus
accounting for my confusion over the Fosters ad.

Paul Donohue
Denver
ratty old 109 SW

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:23:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Starter Solenoid Connections

In a message dated 97-01-28 13:11:50 EST, you write:

<< Can somebody please tell me where the white and red igntion wire is
 attached to their starter solenoid?  Is it on the spade plug on the hot
 post, or on the spade plug in the middle of the solenoid? >>

Hi John,

I'm not right by the car, but if memory serves me I only have two posts, a
large one for the big brown wire from the voltage regulator and the small
post for the lead to the starter.  It almost sounds like you're describing
the white with red lead from the ignition coil to the distributer (Low
tension lead).

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: "wrecker" <neilwarburton@enterprise.net>
Subject: latest on my lr
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:36:19 -0000

Hi all
Just a quick update on my Landy(s11a 88")
Well the 3litre v6 is running well.So well it ate the clutch(ripped  2 of
the springs out of the center).Snapped a rear half shaft.Which showed up a
problem!How do you stop your Landy rolling down hill(i live on one)when the
handbrake won't work because you just snapped a half shaft?
I couldn't engage 4wd because I hawe FWH on the front wheels.
My answer was to let her roll slowly back till the tow ball rested against
the front of the Ford behind:-) I guest there had to be a reason for
building other cars!
Due to finacial reasons she might be up for sale.So if anybody is intrested
in the UK pls Email me for more details on her. 
Rgds
Neil

PS don't worry I haven't lost the faith ther is replacement in the pipeline
for her.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 10:35:20 -0800
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap)
Subject: spin on oil filter

Does anyone make a spin-on oil filter adapter for the S1 2 liter (sim 
to that for the S2)?  I called Paul Sucholotiuk in Toronto but he 
didn't know. 

BTW, he said he had several LRs for sale, including:

1995 Camel Trophy Discovery 300 TDi LHD
several military 110 ragtop diesels
1996 (?) 110 Defender 5 dr 300 TDi LHD
1977-78 101FC
1995 110 Camel Trophy 300 TDi
and other Defenders, Series 3 ...

His number is 416-504-3633, fax 416-504-5637

I don't know anything about the vehicles.  But if someone knows how to 
get one of the Tdis into California, please let me know.

Frank

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:19:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Diesel tent heaters

Bill,

Will see what I can come up with as far as Field/Tech Manuals.  The whole
contraption consists of a two part stove (clam shell buckets) with a four to
six inch cover for heating whatever, and a standard flue pipe in the top.
 The metering unit is gravity fed from a five gallon (US) jerry can.  The
metering device has a rheostat configuration on the top which merely drips
fuel thru a drop tube into the lower bucket section.  Air is drawn in thru
the various seams, holes, etc and the fuel is burned in the bottom.  If you
run at low metering, the whole thing soots up.  To clean, set it up on max
for 10 to 15 minutes (usually red hot by now) and pour in a cup of water.
 BTW the unattended stoves are REALLY GOOD for burning down tentage!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Texasvandy@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:05:05 -0500
Subject: leaky rovers

For the Rover owners who can't find the source of water dripping on their
feet after or during rain, I may have a fix.  Back in High School, I owned a
'70 Dodge Charger that would soak my right foot everytime I turned left.  The
fix turned out to be the small seals fitted around the wiper arm nubs that
stuck through the cowl.  I'm not sure if Series types have anything similar,
just my .02

Chris Van Decar
'94 D90 SloMo VII

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:31:30 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: RE: Mile Marker

>The Mile Marker winch is a cool thing, will pull all day, etc etc, as
>others have stated. But isn't the Mile Marker a PTO winch, meaning belt
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>working RPM?
>Just curious... all other PTO's work that way.
The Mile Marker is a hydraulic winch that runs off the power steering pump
and has a pressure regulator. Some folks have added an extra PS pump
dedicated to the winch alone. Don't know what the Mile Marker's max
pressure is but since PS pumps vary in output pressure, it might be
possible to fine tuen the sytem to the winches maximum.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:35:33 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Trivia Question

BRITISHNW@aol.com wrote:

> Anyone know the origin of the term "Elephant hide" in reference to the Grey
> Leathercloth seats used in vintage Land-Rovers?  If so, please e-mail me at
> britishnw@aol.com.  Thanks

If I come up with a good story do I get to copyright it? :)

BTW I've also seen it referred to as Rhinohide.  Seems to me its just a common
term based on the appearance.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest 
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:21:54 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pickup lines...
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 08:46:00 EST

 Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:
J "I can't believe the perfect woman has been so hard to find" B

I found her but she's married to a friend!

Ron Beckett

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Australian for Beer
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 08:56:00 EST

On Tue, 28 Jan 97 Ron Beckett wrote: "Do all the readers of this list know
that "a slab" is Aussie for a carton of 24 cans of beer?"

Paul Donohue replied
> We in the US rely on Foster's Beer commercials to
>teach us how to speak Australian.
Keep reading the list Paul and we'll teach you Strine (Australian).
Pronounciation might be a problem - you'll have to watch Crocodile
Dundee again.  (Hmm, I think drove a T*y*ta not LR)

>LR content: A billboard spotted by my kids depicted a ratty old 109 SW with
>the explanation "Australian for limo" and a picture of a beer can with the
>explanation "Australian for beer".

I'd like to see that.   I'll have to chase the brewers for a copy.

>Beer content: The diggers I used to drink with referred to beer as p*ss
Yes, beer does have that appellation - not that we in polite company
would use such a term.  I don't know if it got that name because of its 
colour
or its affect on the bladder.

Regards,

Ron

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:45:53 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest 

Yay!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:02:50 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest 

At 04:21 PM 1/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:06:12 -0700 (MST)
From: James Howard <jdh@sextans.lowell.edu>
Subject: Re: Wheel Bearings

    
     Repacking the front bearings is not on the list of standard 
     maintenance for this vehicle, at least not that I can see in the 
     workshop manual and owner manuals that I have. Perhaps it should be!
     
Typically you repack the bearings when you change brake rotors.  YMMV.

James Howard (jdh@sextans.lowell.edu)
Navy Prototype Optical Interferometer	
Flagstaff, Arizona, USA
http://aries.usno.navy.mil/ad_home/npoi/npoi.html

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:57:00 EST

From: Mike Johnson

>How about whacking those pesky Winmail.dat attachments while yer at it, or
>all attachments for that matter.

Mike, I tend to agree BUT some people send large blocks of text as 
attachments.
I've done it myself.  On of the adantages of attachments is that it's easy 
to do
a "Save Attachment" command to save that block to disk somewhere.

I can see your point for the DAT files and possibly even BMP, PCX or JPG 
files
which are really big.

What I hate are all the returned mail messages I get back from posting to 
the list.
These are caused by full mail boxes or accounts that no longer exist (where 
the user
hasn't unsubscribed etc).  I'd like to know if we, as third parties, can 
un-subscribe
those persons, remotely.

Ron Beckett
+61 2 9339-6921 work
+61 47 35-6883 home
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (hopefully sold)
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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From: finchm@sky2.bskyb.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:19:01 +0000
Subject: 101 in Canada

A friend of mine in Canada (Vancouver Island) is looking for a 101 to
replace his Ford Truck V8, If any body can help me, to help him I would
greatly appreciate it. I think he will travel to most places in Canada to
fet one.

Yours
Mark
Finchm@sky2.bskyb.com

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From: Administrator_at_DTT.NZ.WELLINGTON@ccmailg2.deloitte.co.nz
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 12:39:24 NZT

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:53:12 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker

Dixon Kenner wrote:
> > transfer case is alternatively used for an overdrive.  A PTO can also be
> > mounted on the bottom of the transfer case in place of the pan.
>         Never seen one of those...  WOuld be nice to find...
PA Blanchard lists two versions, so it may just take (lots of) money:
  RTC8002 Bottom PTO Kit Complete, Hydraulic  #395
  RTC8003 Bottom PTO Kit Complete, Mechanical #295
Above are listed as for SIIA & SIII except SW (don't know if it is both
88 & 109 SWs, or just 109 SWs)
Now for something to drive with your PTO:
  RTC8004 Hydraulic winch, complete kit  #525 (I think this kit includes
a pump so you only need the mechanical PTO kit. Save a #100)
Another possiblity but not shown in my parts books, so I don't know what
is required to hook it up:
  RTC8889 Winch, drum mechanicl, Fairey, Series III, (5000lb)  #595

The Sept. '88 Optional Equip. book shows an electric winch, RTC8013,
which from the drawing is obviously a Warn with the "W" in the box. This
winch has spur gears, and the motor sits above the drum.
 
> > agricultural devices. A member of the Series II Club in England is
> > trying to preserve LR PTO equipment. This earned him an insult from LRW
> > (Land Rover World magazine), now claimed to be "obvious" humor.
>         BS.  Any idea who in the II club?  Be interesting to write and get
>         photos of some of this stuff...
Steve Downing, 01375 380002 or 0385 367144

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:07:32 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: spin on oil filter (for SI)

Franklin H. Yap wrote:
> Does anyone make a spin-on oil filter adapter for the S1 2 liter (sim
> to that for the S2)?
Try: Holding Filters, 46 Shelley Rd., Bournemouth, Dorset, BH1 4HY
England
0102-392409 or 390036

Anyone for a SI should join the Series One Club. Their newletter is full
of information like the above.
Membership Secretary
12 Black Lawn, Gillingham, Dorset, SP4 4SD, England
Membership for the US is #19/year plus a couple of pounds to join.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:39:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker

Dear all...

	http://www.milemarker.com/~winches/
That is the website for milemarker.  It splices into the existing power 
steering pump for power.  I don't see why it couldn't use a dedicated 
T-case hydraulic pump for power if it was retrofitted.  The hydrulic 
motor only turns about 80 rpm's and is geared down thru a planetary setup 
and it seems that slow is its top speed, FWIW.

Michael Roberts
Portland (Vernonia), Oregon

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:24:40 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Dogs Breakfast

At 08:03 AM 1/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The exact origin of the saying is lost in the anals of times, but it
>refers to a mess. The canine reference probably  comes from the animals
>propensity to devour the previous evenings meal which had been
>regurgitated before retiring.

Dave Barry (hilarious US comedian) had a line in one of his books about dogs
and how they will "eat anything they come across on the very smart principle
that if it turns out not to be food, they can always throw it up later."
(Or something like that.)  

Absolutely true, at least of my sister's dog!   (The smelly one, not the
pervert.)  (that's smelly and perverted dogs, not sisters.)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:25:26 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: euro 2.6 power curve?

Hi,

It may sound stupid to mention the LR 6 cylinder engine and power but I'm
wondering if someone can send me an email of a scan of a graph of the 2.6
engines power curve, torque and or hp vs rpm?  Failing that, how about a
snail mail copy?

Email me directly and we can arrange it.

Thanks,

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us      1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
                                  1984 Mazda GLC "Mazda box"
dormobile homepage:               1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's)
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:56:28 +0000
Subject: Re: 101 in Canada

Your friend could check web.idirect.com/~lroshop/ in the resource 
centre.  Visit the LR exchange and place an ad there.

regards

LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:28:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Free Tows

On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil> wrote:
>Eric Zipppppp,
>Is it true you offer free tows all over the US?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Is it true you offer free tows all over the US?
>Mark

Depends on the location and cargo... :)
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:28:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: seats

On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> wrote:

>Saw yer post re: the CRX seats.  
>How much did you pay for 'em?

Don't remember exactly, bought them 'bout 4 years ago for my Spitfire (they 
didn't fit too well.  Probably about $100 for the pair..they were in pretty good 
condition.

>Within a mile of my house is a Honda recycler.  He has a couple of 
>containers of Honda seats.  I stopped in last weekend to explore the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>originals, so should fit fine other than the width and be quite 
>comfortable too. 

Th width issue is not too bad, they are asymetrical so you have to mount them 
with the recling handle on the outside.  This makes it impossible to recline 
with the door closed but otherwise its OK.  Centre seat would probably have to 
be eliminated.  The other width issue is the mounts.  They do not line up with 
the series tracks.  The installation as it exists now is that the tracks were 
repositioned (with suitable sheet metal added to supply a mounting point) to 
line up with the threaded inserts in the seats which mount them.  Atached 
between the two is a spacer that allows access to the track mounting stud as 
well as the bolt that goes into the seat.  
This setup provides a little too much height (especially if you're tall and with 
a series windscreen) and I'm considering modifying the setup as follows:  move 
the tracks back to their original position and install a cross-piece between the 
mounting studs.  Then drill holes in these cross-pieces to line up with the 
holes in the seat.  This allows minimal lift and allows the seat tracks to 
function as original.  Oh the list of things to do.

>The obvious disadvantage to me is easy removal, ala the OEM 
>seat cushions, and the COST.  

I hinged the OEM seat tracks at the front, allowing the whole arrangement to 
tilt forward.  You need to remove the head-rest for this but it allows 
sufficient access to get to anything in the seat-box....a piece of wood to prop 
the seat in this position helps out quite a bit.

>BTW, I bought a bunch of parts from you at the Rally this summer.

Thanks,

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:46:21 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Mile Marker

Jim Allen wrote:
> The Mile Marker is a hydraulic winch that runs off the power steering pump
> and has a pressure regulator. Some folks have added an extra PS pump
> dedicated to the winch alone. Don't know what the Mile Marker's max
> pressure is but since PS pumps vary in output pressure, it might be
> possible to fine tuen the sytem to the winches maximum.

A few years ago there was considerable interest in the automotive
industry in using hydraulic motors to drive cooling fans, ac
compressors, etc. Many of these schemes floundered on the proposal to
use a single pump for both power steering and the hydraulic motor(s).
Unfortunately, the needs are very different. Power steering needs
pressure but little flow, since it doesn't do much work (force times
motion). For hydraulic motors to do useful work the appropriate product
of pressure and flow is required. The appropriate characteristics for
both power steering and motors are difficult to design into a single
pump. Still, the Mile Marker sounds like an ingenious idea. One possible
idea would be to use a pump designed for log splitters, etc rather than
a second power steering pump.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:51:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fitting a New Camshaft

Spent this past weekend fitting a new camshaft to my V8 powered Rover...a few 
thoughts and experiences:
1) Make sure you have all the requisite parts....I ran around most of the day on 
Saturday trying to find case-hardened washers for the cylinder head 
bolts...realized they were nescessary when one shattered while torquing the 
head.
2) Removing the wings makes the job a lot easier.
3) Make sure you check for exhaust leaks....CO makes you a bit loopy :)
4) The Rover V8 has a well-deserved reputation for eating cams.  A couple lobes 
were indistinguishable from the surrounding shaft....many of the lifters were 
seriously pitted or dished.  Makes me wonder where all the material went :(
5)With no head work and no other modifications, the power addition is noticeable 
and welcome.  After a shake-down cruise, I spent the next six hours driving to 
VT, I was able to hold 70mph with no problem (yes, I know, I am a braggart).

Just some thoughts...might help someone someday.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:12:07 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: LR Exchange (was Re: 101 in Canada)

lroshop@idirect.com wrote:
> Your friend could check web.idirect.com/~lroshop/ in the resource
> centre.  Visit the LR exchange and place an ad there.

The direct URL for the Land Rover Exchange is:
   http://www.billwood.com/lrx/
This is a great service provided by Bill Wood.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Installation of Oil Pressure Gauge on D90
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:06:00 EST

Mike Fostyer wrote:

>The problem is that every
>aftermarket oil pressure sending unit I could find had tapered pipe
>threads, with 1/8 27 being the most common.  I was not able to find any
>ready made adapters with the proper thread sizes.

Mike,  they all are.  The taper ensures the switch stays in place and 
doesn't leak.

Regards,

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:27:00 EST

>>"You Only Live Twice" has pretty grey'ish SIII 109" in it at the very
>>beginning when the Hong Kong police shows up to confirm James "death".

Alain-Jean PARES
Paris, FRANCE replied
>I saw it (not in the movie, but the real one !) in France during the last
>annual car show in Paris past November.
>With all the James ' cars (Rolls, Ferrari, Mini, ... )

Ah, but did they have his Hillman Minx as used in the book, Dr. No??

Ron Beckett
+61 2 9339-6921 work
+61 47 35-6883 home
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:56:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tail-Lights...

Many people who have seen my Rover have noted the high-mounted tail/brake lights 
which I installed.  They were a couple trailer units mounted to the rear of the 
hard-top to improve visibility in the rear after too many close-calls.

Since I am now replacing the hard-top with a Defender unit I have occasion to 
re -think the installation.  For daily driving in all manner of conditions, I 
think better visibility to overtaking cars is a must.  I was thinking about 
mounting some rover-style lights (to preserve a stock-like appearance) in the 
top corners of the hard-top but the idea of cutting holes in a new top bothers 
me a bit.

Has anyone experimented with other additional lighting?  Higher-intensity bulbs 
in the existing fixtures?  Thoughts, comments?  I'm not ready to haul out the 
hole cutter just yet.

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:24:07 -0700
From: alan boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: Re: Fitting a New Camshaft

Why did u take the heads off to install a cam?

Defender 110 for sale, Show room condition.

Parting out 1995 Disovery.

Chrome/Polished RR wheels for sale.

At 10:51 PM 1/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Spent this past weekend fitting a new camshaft to my V8 powered Rover...a few 
>thoughts and experiences:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>thoughts and experiences:
>1) Make sure you have all the requisite parts....I ran around most of the
day on 
>Saturday trying to find case-hardened washers for the cylinder head 
>bolts...realized they were nescessary when one shattered while torquing the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>3) Make sure you check for exhaust leaks....CO makes you a bit loopy :)
>4) The Rover V8 has a well-deserved reputation for eating cams.  A couple
lobes 
>were indistinguishable from the surrounding shaft....many of the lifters were 
>seriously pitted or dished.  Makes me wonder where all the material went :(
>5)With no head work and no other modifications, the power addition is
noticeable 
>and welcome.  After a shake-down cruise, I spent the next six hours driving to 
>VT, I was able to hold 70mph with no problem (yes, I know, I am a braggart).
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:38:42 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: 101 in Canada

finchm@sky2.bskyb.com wrote:

> A friend of mine in Canada (Vancouver Island) is looking for a 101 to
> replace his Ford Truck V8...

I don't know of any for sale but there is one on the Island - Courtenay 
area - that is driven daily. A truly awesome machine.

Greg
Comox, B.C.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:54:39 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: 101 in Canada

At 23:19 97-01-28 +0000, you wrote:
>A friend of mine in Canada (Vancouver Island) is looking for a 101 to 
>replace his Ford Truck V8, If any body can help me, to help him I would 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Mark
>Finchm@sky2.bskyb.com

Here is a copy of a reply from Easton Trevor from a few weeks ago...

"Tom Tollefson had his 101 for sale, Call him at 416 265 1617"

Hope it helps, 
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:54:49 +0100 (MET)

Ron writes:
| What I hate are all the returned mail messages I get back from posting to 
| the list.
|  I'd like to know if we, as third parties, can 
| un-subscribe those persons, remotely.
No problem, if you know how to fake a sender address....
But this wouldn't go ok with nettiquette. Or am I wrong here?
If you are on a Unix machine you could use procmail to filter
the junk out an pipe it directly to /dev/null.
Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <Alain-Jean.Pares@inforoute.cgs.fr>
Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:51:50 +0100

>>I saw it (not in the movie, but the real one !) in France during the last
>>annual car show in Paris past November.
>>With all the James ' cars (Rolls, Ferrari, Mini, ... )
>Ah, but did they have his Hillman Minx as used in the book, Dr. No??

Sorry, but what is a "Hillman Minx".

Alain-Jean PARES
88 Serie III Diesel RHD
Paris, FRANCE

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Australian for Beer
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 09:51:00 PST

Having tried American beer I reckon I'd refer to it as p*ss as well:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT, Real Ale drinker (me, not the 110)
 ----------

Beer content: The diggers I used to drink with referred to beer as p*ss thus
accounting for my confusion over the Fosters ad.

Paul Donohue
Denver
ratty old 109 SW

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Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 11:34:26 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>Sorry, but what is a "Hillman Minx".
>Alain-Jean PARES
>88 Serie III Diesel RHD
>Paris, FRANCE

>From the annals of British Motoring History; Hillman was a manufacturer 
(part of the Rootes Group) and Minx was a model - very good for its time 
(but it's time only lasted about 10 minutes before something else 
bettered it)

Also made by Hillman - Avenger (veyr naff 70s lump of rotting steel) - 
Imp (Very good small car, only a little larger than a mini but rear 
engined and quite quick) - Husky - Hunter (won the first London to Sydney 
Marathon Rally)

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Subject: Re: Australian for Beer
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 11:34:31 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>On Tue, 28 Jan 97 Ron Beckett wrote: "Do all the readers of this list know
>that "a slab" is Aussie for a carton of 24 cans of beer?"
>No.  This reader didn't.  We in the US rely on Foster's Beer commercials to
>teach us how to speak Australian.

An Australian ex-colleague of mine always referred to inadequate members 
of staff under her charge as being 'a few tinnies short of a slab' and 
for years no-one had the nerve to ask her what she meant!

other coloquialisms from this side of the pond;
a sandwich short of a picnic; a brick short of a load; etc etc etc

ALSO: I'm not surprised that your digger mates referred to Aussie beer as 
pXXs - have you ever tried any?

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