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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: first in a set of gearbox probs!
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 12:07:22 GMT

Been working on the noew removed gearbox, and hitting my first problems...

Namely, the intermediate shaft between the main gearbox and transfer box.
I see there's a special tool, but Haynes says to use a tyre lever. I've tried
a heavy-duty screwdriver as a lever (its designed for hitting), but with no
luck. Any good kludges that anyone has?
It would be nice to do it tonight, then I can get the boxes disconnected
from each other...

I have the speedo housing off. I knew I was going to replace the cable, and
as it turns out I had to cut it, inorder to remove the gearbox. How does the
cable fit in the speedo pinion? Is this a simple push fit, or a bit of
a screwing action too? I've managed to disconnect the cable from the pinion,
but I'm trying to work out if a bit of cable is left in the pinion, and whether
a future cable will fit (ie. do I need a new pinion?).

And to finish with (for now!), when removing the gearbox, we found the 
bellhousing/flywheel housing resting on the chassis cross-member. This
ain't meant to be so, is it? Sure sign of tired gearbox&engine mounts?

Other news in the rebuild: Handbrake suffered from most ailments possible.
Leaky oil seal, brake fire (I know of only one occurrence when this might
have happened), broken return spring, and the adjuster doesn't seem to work
(whether the latter is a symptom of being disassembled, I don't know).
Transfer gearbox looks good, although a little early to tell. Wondering if
my funny noises (which changed every few days) were due to a bearing breaking
up in the main box?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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	  Contents:
    1 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 03:59   31/1348  Re: Diesel Glow plugs
    2 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:05   35/1155  Re: 2.25 l Compressed Hea
    3 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:20   41/1712  Re: Single-declutching...
    4 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:24   50/2102  Re: My Rover Leaks (*surp
    5 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:35   47/2484  Re: Single-declutching...
    6 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:42  128/5836  RE: Single-declutching...
    7 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:51   48/2109  Re: SIII Gearbox-outing
    8 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:53   46/1829  Re: Land Rover pickup lin
    9 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 06:55   41/1608  RE: Mile Marker
   10 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 07:05   41/1784  Re: Single-declutching...
   11 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 07:08   32/1337  Re: Mile Marker
   12 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 07:19   33/1785  Re: Mile Marker
   13 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 07:24   34/1252  Re: Mile Marker
   14 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 07:07   49/2324  Digest table of contents 
   15 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 08:06   32/1667  Re: Single-declutching...
   16 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 08:24   34/1926  power-steering/ Mile Mark
   17 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 08:56   61/2275  lightweight
   18 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 09:20   19/803   Trivia Question
   19 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 09:33   95/3105  (Fwd) Land rover memories
   20 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 10:05   31/1209  Starter Solenoid Connecti
   21 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 10:12   35/1226  Australian for Beer
   22 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 10:23   32/1275  Re: Starter Solenoid Conn
   23 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 10:35   37/1645  latest on my lr
   24 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 10:36   34/1263  spin on oil filter
   25 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 11:19   31/1443  Re: Diesel tent heaters
   26 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 12:05   22/998   leaky rovers
   27 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 12:32   31/1327  RE: Mile Marker
   28 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 12:38   34/1201  Re: Trivia Question
   29 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 13:22   18/1129  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   30 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 13:25   34/1764  Re: Land Rover pickup lin
   31 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 13:36   56/2572  RE: Australian for Beer
   32 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 13:52   32/1000  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   33 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 14:01   32/1384  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   34 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 14:06   28/1123  Re: Wheel Bearings
   35 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 14:52   59/2638  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   36 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 15:23   27/1095  101 in Canada
   37 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 15:36 1894/70184 Message not deliverable
   38 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 15:57   48/2294  Re: Mile Marker
   39 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 16:12   34/1344  Re: spin on oil filter (f
   40 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 16:39   27/1169  Re: Mile Marker
   41 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 17:25   40/1807  Re: Dogs Breakfast
   42 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 18:19   34/1331  euro 2.6 power curve?
   43 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 18:57   27/1114  Re: 101 in Canada
   44 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 19:28   37/1557  Re: Free Tows
   45 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 19:28   73/3558  Re: seats
   46 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 19:50   42/2000  Re: Mile Marker
   47 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 19:50   41/2178  Fitting a New Camshaft
   48 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 20:17   29/1169  LR Exchange (was Re: 101 
   49 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 20:35   40/1979  RE: Installation of Oil P
   50 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 20:57   47/2378  RE: movie sighting
   51 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 20:58   39/2006  Tail-Lights...
   52 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 21:18   61/2597  Re: Fitting a New Camshaf
   53 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 21:20   29/1146  Re: 101 in Canada
   54 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 21:54   49/1709  Re: 101 in Canada
   55 lro-owner          Tue Jan 28 22:58   39/2052  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   56 lro-owner          Wed Jan 29 00:56   29/1314  RE: movie sighting
   57 lro-owner          Wed Jan 29 02:00   33/1229  RE: Australian for Beer
   58 lro-owner          Wed Jan 29 03:34   34/1403  RE: movie sighting
   59 lro-owner          Wed Jan 29 03:34   35/1527  Re: Australian for Beer

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Diesel Glow plugs
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 10:41:00 PST

Should work as a short term measure, however unless your bypass wire has the 
same resistance as the glow plug you will increase the load on the other 3 
glow plugs and they will probably burn out quite rapidly.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

p.s apologies if someone has already told you this, our mailer has been done 
over night.
 ----------
So, couldnt you get yourself going by bypassing teh duff one WITH a
bit of bent wire???????

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:04:29 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: 2.25 l Compressed Head Gasket Thickness?

>Jim Allen wrote:
>>         There are composite and copper gaskets. I miked a composite gasket
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>cheers,
>Jeremy

        Whoops! Forgot to be specific. That was .044" post torque!

        Jim Allen

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:14:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........

>> but by snicking it out of 
>> gear clutchless and then using teh clutch only to put it into the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>If done correctly, none. If you're *really* good, you don't need a
>clutch at all. It's called "speed shifting".

Changing totally clutchless is quite easy on teh 90 - you can make 
good speed down backroads clutchless cahhanging to allow left foot 
braking.

\synchros may be given an unhealthy spin as the gears DIS-engage.
\Probably  trivial, but why chance-it? 

To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is 
likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
the gearbox has to be dropped to fix either, it really seems to make 
sod all difference which bit is damaged from the point of view of 
eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
weakest link....
 

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:24:54 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Re: My Rover Leaks (*surprise*)

To Dave, Chris, Sandy, Jean:

yes thanks Dave, you replied to my 'hijacking' of Chris' question...  I
have the SIII and I do indeed suspect the hinge bolt.  
BUT:
I have sealed it with lots of silicone (as suggested by Sandy
too)--still did not make a difference.  Perhaps I put it on over old
silicone?

(Sandy & Dave: did you seal it on the inside or outside?  I only sealed
from the outside.)

I'm beginning to think that it might have cracked the windscreen bits
through which it passes (below it, where you can't see--where else?).

I must say, I'd rather replace the vent rubbers (as suggested by Jean)
before I go to immense lengths (like getting the windscreen to fold out
on a stationwagon) to get that silly hinge bolt out!  Maybe, just maybe
they leak in some weird place where I can't see either.

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel SW )

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:28:40 +0100 (MET)

Andy writes:
| The question is, which is 
| likely to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
| eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
| weakest link....
Hm! You have to drop the g'box for both, that's right, but you don't
have to open the box itself to pull the lever.
Guess what I prefer...
BTW. My lever left for clutch lever heaven 3 weeks after they pulled 
the tranny for a shot clutch last winter. argh! I had only 70.000km
on the clock. Change this thing whenever you are in there. The
labour costs are about 10 times more then the price of this ingenious 
designed masterpiece. Or even better, weld something over the pivot 
point to reinforce it.

Keep the oily side down,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Single-declutching........
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:41:28 +-100

Andy Woodward[SMTP:azw@aber.ac.uk] wrote:

Changing totally clutchless is quite easy on teh 90 - you can make 
good speed down backroads clutchless cahhanging to allow left foot 
braking.

\synchros may be given an unhealthy spin as the gears DIS-engage.
\Probably  trivial, but why chance-it? 

To save teh weak lever from wearing thru. The question is, which is 
likel;y to go first, the synchro or teh clutch release lever? Since 
the gearbox has to be dropped to fix either, it really seems to make 
sod all difference which bit is damaged from the point of view of 
eventually fixing them - so what matteris is to be kind to the 
weakest link....
 
My point:
Use the clutch in a normal way, but do not 
rest Your left foot on it while driving.

If your clutch gives up first, you can drive 
without for a short period until you have time 
to fix it, if your gearchange levers gives up, 
you are stuck.
Then, when you repair your clutchlever, exchange the 
syncro and gearchange levers at the same time, and
you will probably never be standing on the soft 
shoulder without possibility to engage any gear except 
the free.

Happy Rovering

Bent

_____________________________________

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
 86" softtop, 2 litre, 1955

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: SIII Gearbox-outing
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 97 14:51:12 GMT

> Richard Marsden wrote:
> > > Calling all Series III gearbox buffs!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Thanks Richard - two more questions...
> what is FFR?

Fitted for Radio. I see other people have answered, but it was a radio wagon.
I still have most of the fittings, although the PO has added an RAF hardtop,
and a full set of seats. (original FFRs have a radio operator seat just
behind the bulkhead, there's also a radio table).
24v plus extra fittings, and lots of screening. I'm quite happy to continue
running 24v, although the distributor has been replaced by the civviie 
equiv. - the shielding was not worth the hassle.
The originals also had side mounts for aerials, and wing mounted boxes
(also for aerials).
 
> and do you have to open the hydraulic system to remove the clutch, or
> was your fluid-shower accidental and otherwise unnecessary?

Err, the latter! (The piston almost came out - its now strapped in with ties)
Taking the piping out, might make fitting easier, but then there's the hassle
of bleeding the system...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:57:13 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pickup lines...

Spenny writes:
>i actually tried a variant of the the line....
>*Excuse me, but my friend wants to know if you think we'll go metric?*

I've been re-thinking this.  I've decided the actual best line Roverwise
would be "Do you think we'll go Whitworth?"

And if she actually knows what you're saying--and she can name at least one
song each by Buffett (Margaritaville doesn't count here), Delbert

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From: "Dr Peter Ramsay" <RAMSAYP@Geology.und.ac.za>
Date:          Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:18:39 GMT+2
Subject:       Solex 175 CD

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:20:02 -0800
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Mud Flaps

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 07:58:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Fitting a New Camshaft

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Subject: The trip begins!
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 07:05:08 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:28:35 -0600
From: Rob Davis_Chicago <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Single-declutching........

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:20:10 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: LR Exchange (was Re: 101 in Canada)

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 08:34:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Mud Flaps

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:50:37 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 08:56:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 14:22:12 GMT

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From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:55 +0000
Subject: Shameless Advertising

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:40:32 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Mud Flaps

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:26:41 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: LR-Shops im London?

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:01:56 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: WARNING, USED ITEMS FOR SALE, Comm. content

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:58:51 -0400
Subject: Re: LR-Shops im London?

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:11:44 +0200
From: Marko Ylikorpi <marko.ylikorpi@bart.lpt.fi>
Subject: Brakes

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:22:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Brakes

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:31:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Soundproofing and Insulation

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:07:12 -0800
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <Sbartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:23:23 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Fitting a New Camshaft

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Date: 29 Jan 97 08:35:31 PST
From: <DV043@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU>
Subject: Uncl: It thunks, therefore it is. Help!

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:37:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Mile Marker

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:47:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Uncl: It thunks, therefore it is. Help!

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <Alain-Jean.Pares@inforoute.cgs.fr>
Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:01:02 +0100

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 12:25:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Brakes

In a message dated 97-01-29 10:27:58 EST, you write:

<< Simple enough, Marko - the oil seal on the inside of the hub is bad and
 needs to be replaced, along with the distance piece it rides on.
 
  
 Check the manual procedures - it's simple to do - won't take you more than
 an hour or so with the parts in hand beforehand.
  >>

Totally, agree with Alan on this.  If you're weak of heart as I am about
shattering the distance piece, I have found you can place a large channel
locks (or pipe wrench) on it and rotate it back and forth to slide it off.

The hub socket (for removing the hub nuts) works as an excellent drift to put
the new distance piece on.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:51:01 -0700
From: alan boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: RE: Installation of Oil Pressure Gauge on D90

Do not used taperd threads, this can crack your oil pump housing, The easist
thing to
do is buy one from Rover, they are about 19.00, You can cut them apart, and
braze what
you need to the housing, I have made a few in order to adapt a preesure
gauge for test purposes. I have a few laying around, let me know if you
can't find one.

At 03:06 PM 1/29/97 EST, you wrote:
>Mike Fostyer wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Regards,
>Ron

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 17:35:59 UT
From: "DAVID MOORE" <DMOOR2E@msn.com>
Subject: RE: The trip begins!

Pardon the nosey question, but how much did you pay and in what condition was 
your Orlando purchase? I am trying to compile accurate sale price data on 
Rovers, hoping to determine true market value, as opposed to the inflated 
hopes of advertisers. Information would be greatly appreciated, as well as 
from anyone else with recent sales date - model, price, condition, etc. Thanks 
in advance.

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From: 	Keith W. Cooper
Sent: 	Wednesday, January 29, 1997 8:05 AM
Subject: 	The trip begins!

Hello All-

Over the next 36 hours, I will have flown to Orlando, Florida, picked my 
new '65 SIIa 88" Diesel SW and hopefully driven it 900 miles back home, 
to Arkansas.  Everyone hold your breath and keep your fingers crossed 
(well, maybe not for the whole 36 hours  ;) 
So if anyone is driving down an Interstate in the Florida, Georgia, 
Alabama, Tennessee, or Arkansas areas and sees an old rover by the side 
of the road or in a ditch, please at least honk and wave, I'll need the 
encouragement.

I hope to return to show it off at the first meeting of the Arkansas Land 
Rover Association Club meeting this Friday.

Thanks to all for the buying advice I've gotten during this long search!

And I'm off into the sunset..........

Keith

 

Keith W. Cooper
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*            Dept. of Family and Community Medicine - UAMS              *
*                  "Arkansas Land Rover Association"                    *
*                  Owner '96 Land Rover Discovery SE                    *
*                                                                       *
*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:10:33 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: WARNING: LROI BACK ISSUES FOR SALE & other collectables 

        Have a batch of LROI back issues for sale. Here's the list.

                Year/Month                      # in stock
           _____________________________________________________
                1988 August                     1
                1988 November                   1
                1991 February                   5
                1991 March                      3
                1991 April                      4
                1991 May                        1
                1991 June                       9
                1991 July                       2
                1991 August                     1
                1991 October                    3
                1991 November                   1
                1993 February                   1
                1994 January                    1
                1995 January                    1
                1995 March                      1
                1995 April                      1
                1995 May                        1
                1995 July                       1
                1995 October                    2
                1995 December                   1

        All Back Issues $5.50each including shipping inside USA/Canada
        Volume discounts available.

        Land Rover Calendars from Years Gone By

        1990- LR Ltd. Operations Photo Calendar 8x11.5". Lots on the new

        the "new" Discovery. Pristine condition.One in stock.
        $5.00 plus shipping

        1989- RRNA "Lichfield" Calendar. High quality printing and photography
        Prints suitable for framing. All Range Rover. Pristine condition.
        Two in stock. $15.00 each plus shipping

        1990- RRNA Calendar. High quality printing and photography. All
        Range Rover. Two in stock with minor irregularities. $8.00 each plus
        shipping.

        1991 Wilford "Derelicts" Calendar. Good condition. One available.
        $5.00 plus shipping

Misc Collectables

        1966 The Rover Motor Company of North America Seasons Greetings prints
        sent to dealers. 4 prints plus cover. Horse race, Rover P6, Rover
P5,
        Land Rover 88 (camping scene). Excellent condition. $35.00 for set
plus
        shipping.

        Dinky Range Rover Ambulance, white, with stretcher & victim
        $35.00 including shipping.

        Dinky Range Rover Fire Service, red.
        $35.00 including shipping.

        Dinky Series IIA 109 PU, red
        $35.00 plus shipping

        Pewter Defender 110 RHD (mirror broken off) In original box.
        $50.00 including shipping

        Pewter Range Rover Classic (pristine) In original box.
        $75.00 including shipping.

        Jim Allen
        2828 Oxford Ave
        Grand Junction, CO 81503
        (970) 256-9688
        jimallen@onlinecol.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:12:08 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Friends in Ft.lauderdale

Hi guts,
Any of us in Ft. Lauderdale who wish to meet the Dutch version of
Landrover-Rover idiots?
Two friends of mine, owners of a 109 ex ambulance, and an '88 waiting
for a frameup, have just sailed a boat from europe to th USA.
Just drive a L-R to the harbour and drive around slowly honking the
unmistakeable L-R horn.
They'll be the two crazed people (one blond, the other bald, about 25)
who come running up blabbering about having been at sea for 2 months and
seeing a L-R again.. I bet they'll buy beer if you let them sniff the
engine compartment.

send them my greetings,
floris houniet.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 14:15:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Soundproofing and Insulation

>Before spending a lot of time and $$ for this though, I was wondering
where I might be able >to find some empirical data reference the sound
deadening and thermal insulation properties >of various materials.  No use
going through the project if the material is not suitable to >the task.
Anyone in this field?

I was in the car audio business for a few years and was using the DynaMat
and similar soundproofing materials. These asphalt based products worked
wonders.  The only problem was the cost.  Until someone turned me onto
something called Ice-Guard.  It's used in roofing to lay underneath
shingles..  You can by it, or similar product, at your Home Depot type
places.  I found it to be about 80-90% as efficient as the mats made for
the audio market.  But it only cost $30 for 100 sq ft. as apposed to $30
for 9 sq. ft.  I'd recommend that.  It's thin, easy to work with(as long as
you keep it warm). and very durable.  Just make sure if you buy it, you
don't get the one with the anti-slip coating on it, make sure it's a smooth
finish on it.  I think you'll be impressed.  Two layers of this on any
metal part and no more vibrations.
The other thing I found to work well.. old rubber carpet pads.  heavy and
bulky, but put it on your floor boards and you've got a a nice, soft, plush
floor.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:48:05 -0700
From: alan boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: Parts needed

I'm desperate, I'm trying to locate a complete interior for a 1992 Range
Rover LSE

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 06:31:00 EST

Ron Beckett asked:
|  I'd like to know if we, as third parties, can
| un-subscribe those persons, remotely.

Franz Parzefall replied:
>No problem, if you know how to fake a sender address....
No I don't

>But this wouldn't go ok with nettiquette. Or am I wrong here?
My view too.

I have previously asked the major to delete some where
the message is that the recipient no longer has an account
but I'm uncomfortable with trying it myself.

>If you are on a Unix machine you could use procmail to filter
>the junk out an pipe it directly to /dev/null.
I use Microsoft Remote Mail.  I don't think it has many smarts

Regards,

Ron

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Land Rover pickup lines...
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 06:31:00 EST

Jeff Berg wrote:
>I've decided the actual best line Roverwise
>would be "Do you think we'll go Whitworth?"
Well, I've got some Whitworth spanners PLUS a Whitworth tap & die set.

>and if she actually knows what you're saying--and she can name at least one
>song each by Buffett (Margaritaville doesn't count here), Delbert
>McClinton, John Hiatt, Buddy Guy, Junior Wells, BB King and Michael
>Hill--you're looking at serious relationship material.

Hmm, I've heard of Jimmy Buffett but I only know one of his songs "Let's Get 
Drunk & Screw"
Does that qualify?  I've heard of BB King.  The rest?  Well, sorry Jeffrey, 
you and I ain't destined to be together!

>Owning her own MIG welder would be a nice extra...
Hey, I've got one of those as well as oxy welding gear.  I'm also good with 
a multimeter and Lucas elecrics.

Oh, I just remembered, I'm a bloke.  Sorry.

Regards

Ron Beckett

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: LR PickUps
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 06:31:00 EST

Roger - as my secretary once said to me "You're sick!"  8-> (BIG grin)
(Funny - my wife and her agreed on something!.)

Ron

>What sorts of pick up lines would a LR generate?
>Wanna see me go into overdrive?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>you've gone deaf and blind; you'll hang on for dear life during the wildest
>ride of your life -- and that's just in first gear!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:32:55 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!

Richard Marsden wrote:
> Namely, the intermediate shaft between the main gearbox and transfer box.
> I see there's a special tool, but Haynes says to use a tyre lever. I've tried
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> It would be nice to do it tonight, then I can get the boxes disconnected
> from each other...

Did you undo the locking tab?, I sure I can remember fiddling with that.
I also 
think you will have to remove the brake back plate, if you havn't done
so already.

Happy wrenching, (spannering)
FLoris.

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Subject: Re: Parts needed
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 19:36:46 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>I'm desperate, I'm trying to locate a complete interior for a 1992 Range
>Rover LSE

My father-in-law drives just such a model and so does my brother-in-law, 
neither of which use their Range Rovers for their intended purpose, just 
shopping trips, school runs etc.

For the right fee I could try to whip the stuff out of theirs, maybe they 
wouldn't notice?!

SERIOUSLY THOUGH - I saw an ad in the back of LROI recently that was 
breaking a number of Range Rovers and I'm sure an LSE was mentioned - If 
you don't get the mag I could look it up for you

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Subject: Time Lapse posting
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 19:36:50 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original 
posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:28:27 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Friends in Ft.lauderdale

 
What did the stomach say to the lower intestines?

>Hi guts,

Sorry I couldn't resist...

>>>I bet they'll buy beer if you let them sniff the engine compartment.

I wish more folks were that easy to get along with...

DaveB.

Oh, LR content...replaced ineffective clutch M/C last week, still not quite 
perfect. Ordered rebuild kit for slave cylinder, haven't got it yet...
Last night pulled apart offending Master Cylinder and found metal shavings. 
'Twas brand new! I did notice casting inside reservoir had some 
imperfections and flaking...

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:32:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Time Lapse posting

 

>How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original 
>posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)

Because this is the Jeopardy version of LRO-list...

Next answer?

Dave "I'll take engine swaps for 500 please" B.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:39:14 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Celebrity RRover

>Maybe a long-term LROA project could be digging up the addresses of the 
>agents of all the folks on the celeb list and sending them invitations to 
>join and/or sample AW's?

OH, so they get a free isssue, eh? Why does being a clebrity make one a 
more valuable member? What about participation, involvment, knowledge of 
the breed, etc...???? Or are we just interested in luring wall street types 
by having posh names on the member list?
Celebrity, Shmelebrity,
DaveB.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:19:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Time Lapse posting

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original 
> posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)
This all has to do with where the original post is originating from.
Posts only travel in a counter-clockwise direction.  That is opposite the
earths rotational direction.  This can delay an original post for weeks at
a time.  A person who is "down wind" from the post can receive it almost
immediatly and respond to it before you ever see it.  This all works quite
well most of the time.  But there are exceptions.   Where this gets messy
is if you are sending
a post accross the international dateline.  When this happens your text is
in the hands of God.   I hope this clears things up.

Russ W.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:08:19 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Time Lapse posting

Russell U Wilson wrote:

> > How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original
> > posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)

Damn... and here I was forwarding these guys' e-mail addresses to the 
psychics mailing list :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Brakes
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 09:16:00 EST

<< Simple enough, Marko - the oil seal on the inside of the hub is bad and
 needs to be replaced, along with the distance piece it rides on.

Just a query for my own edification.  Why is it necessary to replace the 
distance piece.
I've never replaced a seal (yet).  Does the seal ride on the distance piece 
and therefore
cause grooves from wear?

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 13:57:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Disco in Commercial

>>From: sinasohn@juno.com (Rita I Sinasohn)

Hi! 

I am sending this message for Uncle Roger (well, he's Brother Roger to
me)

There is a Pepcid AC (I think that was the advertised product) television
commercial with a Disco featured in it.  I do not remember the exact
product name because I was to busy shrieking "Disco!" and trying to see
as much of the disco as they showed.  (Help! it's contagious! do all of
you shriek Disco or Range Rover or 88 or whatever each time you see one?)

The Disco was driving up to a drive through window and had two women and
a bunch of wretched screaming children in it.  The two women were talking
about heartburn and french fries.  The Disco was Hunter Green with a tan
interior.  The kids were in a blue uniform of some type (baseball?).

I think you Rover people are a bit eccentric with your excitement over
trying to spot them where ever you are (if you are like Roger), but I am
not one to judge because I am probably one of the few people out there
who can go to Sea World and take a half a roll of film of horses.

-Rita 
Horse Crazy not Rover Crazy
sinasohn@juno.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Time Lapse posting
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 09:31:00 EST

Russell,

Does this apply to those above the equator or below, e.g., like water going 
down
drain holes is supposed to turn in different directions?

Regards,

Ron Beckett

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original
> posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)
This all has to do with where the original post is originating from.
Posts only travel in a counter-clockwise direction.  That is opposite the
earths rotational direction.  This can delay an original post for weeks at
a time.  A person who is "down wind" from the post can receive it almost
immediatly and respond to it before you ever see it.  This all works quite
well most of the time.  But there are exceptions.   Where this gets messy
is if you are sending
a post accross the international dateline.  When this happens your text is
in the hands of God.   I hope this clears things up.

Russ W.
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group

------------------------------

From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:35:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Time Lapse posting

>How come I get replies to some messages before I receive the original 
>posting - this is very confusing. (and frustrating)
Because this is the Jeopardy version of LRO-list...

I haven't seen the original posting for this yet, but I don't agree that
there is a problem with this here.

I would like to reply to this one before it gets on general release though :-

>rust free frame for an 88" SIIA in good condition $50.

Will you ship it?

Regards

Jamie

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:43:55 -0500
Subject: LR in Costa Rica

Hi all..

I am going to CR for 2 weeks to sail, surf an dgenerally 4x4.
Apparently a 4x4 is almost a must to get around there (some hotels write
in their directions to "ford so-and-so river, turn right".. COOL!)

Naturally, I wanted to find a LR down there, instead of a Toy/S**ki.
There's apparently a huge number of Series trucks down there, but I
can't find any on the web or in the CR books.
However.. I did find a Rent-a-Rover, owned by this Swiss fellow Roland.
Apparently these are RRs built in the 70s **IN CR!!** He said these are
the only RRs built outside of UK (what about OZ?).
Of course his price is 50% higher than the new Suz-ki from Avis, which
pretty much kills the idea for me.  My CR handbook specifically
mentioned that these RRs "are known to have reliability problems", but
when the author broke down, Roland got somebody out in th ebush to fix
it pronto.  :)  

Hey, I'd pay the 50% premium to ride in a 109 or 110, but the RR? naah..
:) :)  

So.. does anybody here have any leads on any 109/110 SW possibly for
rent in CostaRica?   I only know my namesake here on the list, is there
anybody else?

And any comments on the CR-built Rangies?
rgds
Jan (in US)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 18:03:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Distance piece replacement:

Why?

Good British metallurgy, that's why. (Gag.....)

The distance pieces, thankfully replaceable, are worn by the rubber seal.
Eventually, the piece gets grooved badly enough that a new oil seal won't
seat, thereby making even a new seal leak.

Of course, as we all know, Britain's engineers have never figured out oil
seals.....8*)

          aj"Or refrigerators for beer"r

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:01:12 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: LR in Costa Rica

ben@bell-labs.com wrote:
> Hey, I'd pay the 50% premium to ride in a 109 or 110, but the RR? naah..
> :) :)
> The question I'd be asking myself is what's the cost difference between

the RR and Suzuki and what's the relative performance risk?  In other
words would the Suzuki leave you somewhere the RR wouldn't and how much
would you pay to get out?

cheers,

JEremy

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Australian for Beer
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:16:00 EST

Simon Ward-Hastelow; wrote:
>An Australian ex-colleague of mine always referred to inadequate members
>of staff under her charge as being 'a few tinnies short of a slab' and
>for years no-one had the nerve to ask her what she meant!

Was that the staff members or the staff member's members were inadequate?

>other coloquialisms from this side of the pond;
>a sandwich short of a picnic; a brick short of a load; etc etc etc

or two-bob (20cents) short of a quid (2 dollars)

>ALSO: I'm not surprised that your digger mates referred to Aussie beer as
>pXXs - have you ever tried any?

As I live down under, I suppose I've tried a few! When I was younger I used
to sample a few each night but when my company moved me from Moree in
the State of NSW to Ceduna in South Australia in 1969, I tried the SA beer
and gave up drinking.  (True!)  I dunno how Croweaters can drink Coopers,
West End or Southark  beer.  BUT it did learn about South Australian wines.

When the company moved me to Carnarvon in Western Australia in 1971,
I still didn't get back into beer drinking.  I found I didn't like their 
beer (Swan)
either (although I did get a taste for home re-brewed Swan in Saudi Arabia 
in
1989 whilst working there.)

I now drink only Australian wine or Bacardi & Coke.

LR content:  where is the bottle opener in a Landie?  I've seen it mentioned
in posts to the list.

Regards,

Ron
Ron Beckett
+61 2 9339-6921 work
+61 47 35-6883 home
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:21:43 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Australian for Beer

Beckett, Ron wrote:
> snip
> LR content:  where is the bottle opener in a Landie?  I've seen it mentioned
> in posts to the list.

Under lip of the Series metal dash.

cheers,

Jeremy

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Disco in Commercial
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:26:00 EST

Rite asked:
>(Help! it's contagious! do all of you shriek Disco or Range Rover
>or 88 or whatever each time you see one?)

My family are getting used (?) to me saying "Land Rover" or "Range Rover"
when one appears in a TV show or movie.

TV shows - "Dangerfield" - He drives a Disco,  "Hamish Macbeth" drives a D90 
SW
police vehicle, "Heartbeat" - the nurse drives a Series I (plus the other 
random
SIIs on the show - plus Hillmans of course); "Home & Away" - Alf drives a 
Rangie.
"Bush Tucker Man" - Les drives a LR 110 or ex-Army LR Perentie (I'll have to 
check
if the spare wheel is under the back of the car)

>I am probably one of the few people out there
>who can go to Sea World and take a half a roll of film of horses.

Sea horses??

Ron Beckett
+61 2 9339-6921 work
+61 47 35-6883 home
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Distance piece replacement:
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 11:11:00 EST

Alan wrote:

>Of course, as we all know, Britain's engineers have never figured out oil
>seals.....8*)
> aj"Or refrigerators for beer"r

Q:  Why do the British drink warm beer?

A:  because the refrigerators are made by Lucas

Regards,

Ron
PS thanks for the answer on the groovy distance piece

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:29:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Stuart H. Moore-Roanoke College" <SMOORE@ACC.ROANOKE.EDU>
Subject: RE: spin on oil filter

A good friend of mine in the Roanoke Virginia area had designed and
built a spin on oil filter adapter.  It will use a Range Rover
filter or just your average PH8A (common Ford filter).  It works
excellent!!!!!  Mine has been in place for months now with no
problems what so ever.  Very reasonably priced.  Fits the 2.25 and
maybe others.  He has about 10 of these built now and has
aspirations of selling them, but just hasn't had time to research
the right channels of distribution.  Mail me if you would like more
info and a phone number.  smoore@acc.roanoke.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:58:17 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Celebrity RRover

Well, it seems I've found a bug in Eudora Light for windows.  It's either: 

1) ignoring a change of the TO: address on a reply, or 
2) not checking to make sure I change the TO: address when I meant to.

In any case, my comment about LROA & Celeb owners was supposed to be a
quickie comment to one of the LROA officers mostly meant in jest.  Why it
ended up on the main list, well, see above.  Thank goodness it wasn't my top
secret Tiramisu recipe!  8^)

(I remember a time, long ago, wherein one of the staff of the collectibles
forum on CompuServe posted a public message to one of the members swearing
up a storm, and calling him all sorts of nasty things, and so on.  Turned
out, the two were best buds and were having a private conversation calling
each other names, but the one sent his message publicly by accident.)

>OH, so they get a free isssue, eh? Why does being a clebrity make one a 
>more valuable member? What about participation, involvment, knowledge of 
>the breed, etc...???? Or are we just interested in luring wall street types 
>by having posh names on the member list?

To respond...  

To my twisted, bizarre, should-be-locked-up-for-the-greater-good mind, there
is something kinda cool about knowing that someone like Robin Williams or
Robert Wagner is in the same club as I am.  

There is also the rationalization that celebs don't get out and mix as much
as us "normal" people, and therefore may be less likely to find out about
LROA, so taking steps to attract members through appropriate channels only
makes sense.  Just because someone's a celebrity, that shouldn't mean they
can't enjoy their Land Rovers and LR clubs.

But in reality, this was an off-the-cuff brainstorm-type comment intended
for a select audience that would have recognized and treated it as such, not
taking it seriously, but using it as a jump-off point for other ideas about
making LROA a better club for the members.

Anyway, sorry for the misaddressing...  and for wasting bandwidth...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:24:20 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re[3]: Celebrity RRover

At 04:58 PM 1/29/97 -0800, Uncle Roger wrote:
:To my twisted, bizarre, should-be-locked-up-for-the-greater-good mind, there
:is something kinda cool about knowing that someone like Robin Williams or
:Robert Wagner is in the same club as I am.  

 Which club is this?

-Michael

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:33:52 -0600
From: Rob Davis_Chicago <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Tail-Lights...

Hi All,
 Well when I got my LR it had only the standard two tail lights which
seemed not to be enough.  So I purchased two "third eye" brake
lights(diode lights) from J.C Whiteny in Chicago.   The ones I ordered
were ment to stick to the inside of the glass of the read window.  They
fit nicely inside the top at the bottom of the small windows on each
side.(right at eye level)  They work well & I will put another set on my
current project when done.  
 The advantage is low power draw, no heat & no holes.

  
-- 
Rob Davis_Chicago

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:22:39 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Third brake light

Eric Z. wrote:

>Has anuone experimented with other additional lighting?

I installed a third brake light a while back.  RN had a deal on these 
rectangular all-plastic units that fit Defenders (sorry, don't know what 
year).  Installed it above the rear door and tapped into on of the rear 
brake wires. The bulb is significantly brighter than the existing brake 
lights - I've looked in the rear view at stop lights and seen some people 
shield their eyes from it.  The only problem is that you have to drill three 
holes - two for the mounting studs and one (grommeted) one for the lead.

Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:22:36 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bounced messages

Ron Beckett wrote:

>What I hate are all the returned mail messages...caused by full mail boxes
>or accounts that no longer exist.

Curious.  I don't get bounced mail from LRO, but *do* get these from RRO.  
For every posting I make to the RRO list, I'll get back four or five for the 
above mentioned reasons.  I would have though that the Major would handle 
things similarly...especially on the same list.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Celebrity RRover
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:56:00 EST

>  Uncle Roger wrote:
>To my twisted, bizarre, should-be-locked-up-for-the-greater-good mind,
>there is something kinda cool about knowing that someone like Robin
>Williams or Robert Wagner is in the same club as I am.

I can understand that.  I felt that way when Ayrton Senna (former F1 cars
 World Champ) used to fly model aeroplanes and Wayne Gardner
(former 500cc F1 motor cycle world champ) used to fly model helicopters
for relaxation (both were my hobbies at the time).  Most people tend to
think of us modellers as playing with toys.  (Bloody expensive toys -
one of my helicopters was worth, with computer radio, around $5000.  I
had several.  (I still have).

Ron Beckett
+61 2 9339-6921 work
+61 47 35-6883 home
Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual (for sale)
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

------------------------------

From: BAnder4294@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:59:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE bander4294@aol.com

PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE US FROM THESE EMAILING LISTS!!!!!!  UNSUNSCRIBE
bander4294@aol.com

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From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:06:15 +0000
Subject:       front badge

About LAND-ROVER becoming LAND ROVER, I have a Series III 88
built in 1985 and has the land-rover badge in front and the newer 
type rear badges made of plastic in the rear, hmm I kind of prefer 
those real old type badge in the rear, that they presently use on 
U.S. D90's.

Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:55:17 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Uncl: It thunks, therefore it is. Help!

>From: John W. Henricks, Programmer/Analyst
>      Institutional Studies
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>right wheel side but may be the pumpkin. It has a regular frequency based on
>rotation.  Any ideas on what I should be looking for ?

Might be a bad tire or a cat wrapped around the wheel...

Never pet a burning dog.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:20:16 -0700
From: Rover2a <rover2a@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: all sorts of stuf

Help my land rover is leaking, I have water coming in around the doors
all 3, there is water sneaking in at the top of the windscreen and it
pours in when it rains-----ok I couldn't help my self

Yes it leaks and I have a bar of soap on the dash just to keep me a
clean wet land rover owner.

Here is what I was looking for,  there was a thread back at the first of
the month about where some of the land rovers were sent by the factory
and sold. I have a 67 IIA 88 that has some history but I don't know it
but I want to, there are some things that are confusing, my rover is
outfitted with military shackles, and the one thing I want to know about
is there is a sticker on the right door that is from Thailand, it is
from the "Bridge on the River Kwai" it looks to be as old as the my
rover is. The turn lights is the only light on the front wings,  I was
told that there were no rovers imported in the US without a turn and
marker light for each of front wing (US safety thing I think ) so can
some one help me try to find out were this poor rover has come from. The
serial number is 31802862D  
I have tried to look for it on the Rover North serial number page but
there is a few numbers that are not covered and this is one of them. So
if you can help let me know of where I might find some help I need it
the help you can ask my wife she will tell you that she is save money
for my therapy just for having a rover .

Gar
Rover2a@xmission.com
67 IIA 88
73 III 88 just the parts

PS: best beer --Guinness black as night with a white head     Yes Utah
USA has Guinness and if you think you pay a lot for it where you live it
sells for $ 14.00 us for a 6 pack of bottles 8 pounds Irish ouch.

PS: sightings --- there is a new tv commercial for florida that has a
new defender with black and white stripes.  NEXT the new movie Fierce
Creature uses a serials 3 with the same stripes ( can't the movie people
let them be the original colors.)

PS: tire chains --- the wife looks sexy in them ( don't let small kids
read this )

PS: heaters and the hoses ---- will somebody put the tire chains around
the engineer's neck that designed the Smiths heater and put him in a
boat that leaks as much as my rover send him out in a deep lake without
a paddle.
 
PS: thanks for letting me PS around

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Soundproofing and Insulation
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:14:03 +0100 (MET)

Eric,
|  My idea was to use 
| closed-cell neoprene foam laminated with cordura as an interior material
WOW! Sounds like the ideal material.
The PO of my LR insulated the HT and the upper side panels with polyurethan
foam mats. The same stuff as those cheap camping mats just off the roll.
It works good, but I would like something more durably if I would do it
myself. But PU is likely must cheaper.
cu.
Franz
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From: Boris Brecelj <boris.brecelj@kiss.uni-lj.si>
Subject: A frame ball joint
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:39:16 +0100

Hi all!

Can anybody shear their experience with A frame ball joint and their =
life expectancy. My D90 '95 has 44.000 km and I think I will have to =
replace it again (2nd time). The car does not see extreme off road, =
off-road is mainly to get me from point A to point B over a bit more =
difficult terrain.

Could this have something to do with the smaller tyres  (205R16) that =
were standard?

Do other 90s, 110s, Discos and Rangies have this problems too?

Another thing, I know this is difficult to put in some kind of a unit, =
but...
How much play in transmission should a new D90 or D110 have (mind you =
discos have different U-joints), I know I was surprised when I got mine =
and it had in my opinion way too much play, based on previous experience =
with Lada Niva and Jeep Cherokee TD, neither of them had that much. But =
the dealer assured me that this was normal and that all LRs have it... =
And mine being one of the odd few Defenders in Slovenia, no way to =
double check.

Boris
D90 Tdi '95

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: Distance piece replacement:
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:41:00 PST

>          aj"Or refrigerators for beer"r

That's because if you have decent beer you don't have to chill it to make it 
drinkable. Of course, being in America, you won't be used to decent beer:-)

Try Fraoch Heather Ale and then you've lived!

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Disco in Commercial
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:46:00 PST

> "Hamish Macbeth" drives a D90 SW police vehicle

Fairly sure it's a series III, not a 90.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:23:07 +1100
From: amanda@zeta.org.au (Amanda Carkagis)
Subject: Fuel/Water temp guages

G'day all,

I have a problem with my Series III's water temperature and fuel guage
indications. Unfortunately, it is an intermittent problem and I haven't yet
been able to trace the cause.

Basically, the indications often read about a third lower than they should.
For example, on a full tank of fuel it will ocassionally indicate full (less
and less it seems lately) but more likely about 3/4 full. The temp guage
reads low as well in sympathy with the fuel guage. A little while ago, I
noticed the fuel guage needle slowly cycling up and down between 5/8 and 3/4.

I have checked the power connections to the voltage stabiliser and these
seem to be OK. Instrument panel earths also seem to be OK. Work commitments
have prevented me from doing any further digging around.

Any ideas as to what might be causing this?

Regards, 
Phil Carkagis
S III 109 5 door
101 FC  'Blossom' (because it's such a delicate little thing)

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Date: 30 Jan 1997 09:30:41 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE:  Re: 2 stroke Land Rover

>> Yes you can. Some garages do a form of 2 stroke oil that is designed to   
>> run with unleaded. (shell for example)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>but have never checked its spec, maybe it will be OK.  
>peter

I noticed this message on the list (i did not get the original), and 
my mind was cast back to 'The Daily Telegraph Motoring Section' from 
Saturday last (twenty-sixth), when somebody wrote in asking about a
two-stroke LR, which they drove from London to somewhere in Africa.
Could this be connected?  I have not heard of two-stroke LR's before,
and thought the one refered to in the telegraph may have had an engine
transplant, but did Lode Lane actually build some two-strokes?

Mathew

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Fuel/Water temp guages
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:32:33 +0100 (MET)

| Basically, the indications often read about a third lower than they should.
| I have checked the power connections to the voltage stabiliser and these
| seem to be OK. Instrument panel earths also seem to be OK.
| Any ideas as to what might be causing this?
Just a guess: Faulty stabiliser? Hook a voltmeter to the output and check.
The fuel gauge of my 110 recently varies a bit, too, but I didn't bother 
yet. May be the list syndrom is back? ;-)

Keep the oily side down,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Fuel/Water temp guages
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 9:36:44 GMT

> I have a problem with my Series III's water temperature and fuel guage
> indications. Unfortunately, it is an intermittent problem and I haven't yet
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> I have checked the power connections to the voltage stabiliser and these
> seem to be OK. Instrument panel earths also seem to be OK. Work commitments
> have prevented me from doing any further digging around.

You haven't swapped the stabiliser for an earlier type? This wouldn't
explain the cycling though, and (if I've got it right) will cause the
gauges to over-read...
I would suspect the stabiliser itself.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 09:46:26 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: RE:  Re: 2 stroke Land Rover

two-stroke LR, which they drove from London to somewhere in Africa.
Could this be connected?  I have not heard of two-stroke LR's before,>and
thought the one refered to in the telegraph may have had an engine
transplant, but did Lode Lane actually build some two-strokes?

Mathew

I'm not altogether certain about this,basically because I've forgotten
where I read it,but I beleive that prior to the introduction of the
2 litre diesel,there was a diesel conversion offered.The engine was,
if memory serves,a two stroke 3 cyl diesel,Turner by name.But it
wasnt a Lode Lane offering,although I believe they examined an example.

Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:18:31 GMT

> Richard Marsden wrote:
> > Namely, the intermediate shaft between the main gearbox and transfer box.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> think you will have to remove the brake back plate, if you havn't done
> so already.

Back plate is off (its been cleaned and is currently hanging on the wall.
The speedo housing has also been taken off.
I've tried some WD40 lastnight - will see if it has worked tonight.
I presume there's only one locking tab - held on by the bolt next to
the "red thing"?
This has been removed.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: first in a set of gearbox probs!
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 10:23:29 GMT

> > snip
> > Namely, the intermediate shaft between the main gearbox and transfer box.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> The ideal solution is to use the special tool or a facsimile (600800 if memory
> serves).

will try to get a tool for when I get to this...

 

> > a screwing action too? 
> Series tranny right? It's held in by a cover plate which is attached by three
> small screws.

Took these screws out at the weekend, along with the cover. The cable didn't
want to come out. I'm talking about the inner cable here - ie. the one that
does the business.
Is this inner cable meant to have some kind of key/splining to engage the
pinion? If so, I'll need a new pinion.

 

> > ain't meant to be so, is it? Sure sign of tired gearbox&engine mounts?
> > (what thickness should the rubbers be, anyone know?)
> It can get pretty close.  I'd recommend replacing the mounts anytime you've
> got the unit out.  The other side is that the crossmember may be bent upwards.

New mounts, then...    :-)       (someone mention shipbuilder's syndrome?)

> allow for proper torque settings.. Not that the manual provides a torque :)  The
> only torque I've seen for that nut is 100 ft/lbs - this is from a Fairey overdrive
> installation manual.  

I'll see what I can find for special tools.

> > Other news in the rebuild: Handbrake suffered from most ailments possible.
> > Leaky oil seal, 
> Make sure you measure and shim the speedo housing.  Wear here contributes
> to leakage into the e-brake drum.
> > from each other...

A shim came off with the housing. I understand the number of shims may be
different after the rebuild?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 21:49:00 EST

"Outside the sun blazed down on the gravel sweep.  The interior
of  the Hillman Minx was a Turkish bath.  Bond's bruised hands
cringed as they took the wheel....
"..........Bond put the car into gear and went off down the avenue of
flaming tropical shrubbery.  He went fast, scattering the gravel on
the bends......
........... He swung out past the sentry at the gates and on to the main
 road.  He put his foot down."

  from "Dr. No"
 by Ian Fleming
 published 1958

Alain, note the cars I drive

Regards,
>Ron Beckett
>Emu Plains, Australia
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>'67 Hillman Gazelle
>'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
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>Sorry, but what is a "Hillman Minx".
>Alain-Jean PARES
>88 Serie III Diesel RHD
>Paris, FRANCE

>From the annals of British Motoring History; Hillman was a manufacturer
(part of the Rootes Group) and Minx was a model - very good for its time
(but it's time only lasted about 10 minutes before something else
bettered it)

Also made by Hillman - Avenger (veyr naff 70s lump of rotting steel) -
Imp (Very good small car, only a little larger than a mini but rear
engined and quite quick) - Husky - Hunter (won the first London to Sydney
Marathon Rally)

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