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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 09:32:52 -0500
Subject: Land Rover Connection

WJMcD@aol.com was inquiring about this business and I can tell you that he
has been bringing in a lot of vehicles through the port of Portsmouth, Va. I
have seen a number of them from Ser. 1 to 2A 109's. When I brought my 2b F/C
over, he offered to help me if I ran into any problems. You might consider
locating a vehicle over in England and shipping it back yourself, just has to
be prior to Jan. 1, 1968

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 09:31:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Vanishing hyphens

On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com> wrote:
Looking through various books Land-Rover became Land Rover with the
>introduction of the 110 in 1983, at least for the front badge.

FWIW, the Stage One didn't have a hyphen on the front badge either.

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 09:31:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hand throttle kit - details on the non-LR cable.

On Sat, 25 Jan 1997, Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

...Description of a non-lr cable.

My recommendation would be to use a vernier throttle as is used on aircraft and 
various industrial applications. This is the type where you twist the handle and 
the cable moves out.  Large movements are possible by pushing the center button. 
They are available at most any industrial supply store (for a nicer model, see 
if you can get one out of an aircraft).  On the SIII, I would mount it under the 
switch gear and steering wheel so the cable runs straight through the hole in 
the firewall. Its then a simple matter of attaching that cable to the throttle 
bellcrank in a way that does not interfere with normal throttle operation.  The 
best part of this unit is the fact that all you have to do is hit the red button 
and you can renturn the engine to idle immediately.  Just my $.02

Rgds,

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 09:35:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Help needed fitting Ammeter

AAAAHHHHHH Don't hook the ammeter up like that.....!

An ammeter is a very low-resistance gauge, designed to go in series with
the load it's measuring. Typically, they're inserted into the alternator or
dynamo output line, breaking the wire and running it through the gauge.

Voltmeters go in parallel with a load, not ammeters.

If you have any other questions, ask...

               ajr

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:45:07 -0500
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Re: My Rover Leaks (*suprise*)

Chris Dow wrote:
>but where's a likely source of the footwell water?  It seems to be
>coming in through the firewall somewhere.

If you get that one figured out, please tell me.  I have had a similar
problem for over a year now.  Mine gets water in (also somewhere through
the firewall) which then drips right onto my (clutch) foot.  I have
sealed all sorts of things with silicon on the outside, but the only
thing that seems to help is to drive around with a plastic bag on the
ready (to put your foot in, off course).

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel SW )

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 10:26:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Did he make it?/Books/Elec fans

David,

I buy Practical Classics off and on and it seems that ALL their projects are
supposed to be "rolling rebuilds" and end up being complete rebuilds with
significant sheet metal work.  Wish I had backers like that!!!!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:50:41 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Gods Must Be Crazy?

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> Where can I get a copy of "The Gods Must Be Crazy".  The first one
> starring the Land Rover with the atomic winch.  You know the film.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> BTW, not to start another thread, but when did they take the hyphen
> out of Land Rover?

They did'nt. It is, was and always will be Land-Rover.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 08:31:38 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: My Rover Leaks (*suprise*)

At  6:58 PM 1/25/97 -0800, Chris Dow wrote:

>Yeah, yeah, I know.  All Rovers leak.  But that's not what I'm talking
>about.  I got in the Rover yesterday evening, and the driver's (left in
;mine) seat of my IIA was soaked.  Also, I've got quite a puddle in the
>footwell.  As I already have some very nice cloth seats (caviar fabric,
;like in the BLRS ads in LRO), and want sound proofing and carpet later,
>I'd like to fix this soon.  I guess the water on the seat was from the
;almost total absence of weather stripping around the driver's door top,
>but where's a likely source of the footwell water?  It seems to be
;coming in through the firewall somewhere.
;
1. Could you please tweek your mailer so it only sends one copy of your
post & not two? I see a text version followed by a HTML version.  Thanks

2. If water seems to be coming in through your bulkhead, you could look for
holes in your bulkhead and plug them.  You can purchase rubber bulkhead
plugs in different sizes through British Pacific.  I don't know any other
LR mail order places that carry them.  If you have a late LHD IIA with
power brakes, the rain gutter on the left side that is supposed to carry
water away from the bulkhead carrys them to where the wing was cut out and
dumps it on the clutch pedistal.

One thing that helped for me was to unbolt the pedistals, clean out the
mating surface and sealing the joint when replacing the pedistals.

3. A temporary fix untill you get door seals would be to put a tarp over
the car during the rain or park it so the driver's door is down wind.

4.  It sounds like we are both dealing with rolling restorations.  My plan
is first paint, then new door seals, then upholstry.  Meanwhile, I just
keep the floor panels unbolted to facilitate water dranage.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:41:37 -6
Subject: caller ID blocker

Alan,
Would you by chance know the wiring (or know a good place to find 
it) for a caller ID blocker. I'm too cheap to buy one, and I'm sure 
they gotta be pretty simple.

ps, I just got a catalog from a place that has surplus WWII German 
field telephones in working order. Somewhere around $100 I think, for 
a pair. If your interested let me know and I'll dig out the catalog.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:20:02 -0800
From: Jeremy John Bartlett <Sbartlett@slip.net>
Subject: 2.25 l Compressed Head Gasket Thickness?

Does anyone have a figure for the compressed thickness
of a 2.25 petrol/gas head gasket?

thanks,

Jeremy

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:22:13 -0800
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: hand throttles

>> From: C. Paul Patsis <cpaulp@ihevanet.com>
>> Has anyone had any experience putting in a hand throttle on a D-90 or =
>> 88. It seems as though it would be useful for winching to keep the rpm's
>> up if you were in a situation where no one was available to manually =
>> keep the pedal down.

I ordered my Series III from the factory (in 1973) with a hand throttle
installed.  It's a lever arm on the firewall above the transmission tunnel
that moves in a toothed quadrant.  The connection to the throttle linkage
is via a very simple pushrod and bell-crank arrangement in the engine
compartment.  The thing works great.  I've used it for setting the engine
rpm for winching with my Fairey Rescue capstan winch as well as for driving
in low gear across very rough terrain where you don't want your foot
bouncing up and down on the accelerator and aggrievating the situation.  I
also use it as a poor man's cruise control on the highway.  Obviously, it
won't compensate for going up or down grades so you have to be prepared to
add or take off the power manually.

As the throttle was installed at Solihull, I don't have any advice for
putting it on.  But looking at the mechanism, it would appear to be a very
straightforward job if this particular hand throttle kit is still
available.

C. Marin Faure
Seattle, WA
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III-88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 12:22:09 -0800
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: metal grills

>From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
>Subject: Re: Don't cook on LR grille: (was Re: LR Prices)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>just plain steel,  and seasoned with peanut oil.
>P.S. I know 99.999% are plastic on SIII,  I have one of three known steel
>grills.  Want one?

Actually, any of the metal grills from a Series II or IIa will fit on a
Series III.

C. Marin Faure
Seattle, WA
  (original owner)
  1973 Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:34:20 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Numbers and dates

In my ample spare time I have put together a list of Series Land-Rover parts 
that are either numbered or dated. If anybody is interested, please email me 
directly.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:34:16 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Good Luck Totem

Dear all, the totem you all admired so much, I bet, already brought me some 
luck even before I saw it. 

After some delays I finally made it to the garage today to work on my 107" 
Station Wagon. The plan was to remove the non-original exhaust, and try out 
the exhaust I had bought from my favourite supplier in the UK.

The exhaust is bolted to the manifold, as you know, and then there are 
several brackets attached to the chassis. All these brackets came off 
surprisingly well, which makes me suspect that the exhaust was replaced just 
before the car was sold, or the rust would have affected the bolts and nuts 
a lot more. So now the dreaded nuts that hold the front pipe to the manifold 
were tackled. One of them had already left of its own accord. The two on the 
top yielded without too many problems. The remaining one (lower front) was a 
different size, and is in an awkward position. I rounded it off nicely on my 
first try. So out comes the trusty old nutsplitter. But the small size is 
too small, and the larger size will not fit - the rim is too thick to go 
between the nut and the exhaust pipe! After a while I got it half-way in and 
started working away; however, the nut could not be split that way. I had to 
be very careful since I did not want to risk any damage to the manifold. 
After the nutsplitter had failed twice, I didn't know what to do, so out of 
desperation I tried the socket again- and this time it did not round off the 
nut, and the nut came off rather easily.

The exhaust, as I mentioned, was not original, and they must have stuck it 
in there pipe after pipe and welded it in place. It was practically braided 
into the chassis and the rear axle. I did not want to cut it up, because I 
had misgivings about my John Craddock exhaust. So I tried to get it out all 
in one piece. However, the strap for the rear axle was very much in the way. 
I tried removing it without much conviction - these things would practically 
be welded in place by 38 years of rust. Pleasant surprise - the strap came 
off! And it is certainly good enough to be used again!

So of course the next obstacle was the big rubber buffer that protects the 
chassis from the rear axle, and vice versa. Came off like a charm. The 
exhaust would still not be unbraided, this time it was the shock absorber 
that got in the way. That came off almost too easily, even the long bolt on 
top slid out without any use of force. Now I just had to recollect the old 
highschool trick of disentangling the two bent nails - I bet you have the 
same tricks that we do. Then the old exhaust was out, and all in one piece. 
So I tried the new exhaust.

My misgivings were unfounded. The new exhaust fits perfectly. 

The only problem is my car. It has outriggers and cross members in the most 
unexpected places, and is about two inches too short. Damn some suppliers! 
Luckily I have a good workshop at my company, and they will be able to 
change the pipes as needed. I am not looking forward to the measuring, though. 

The chassis, btw, has a little surface rust, but no unplanned holes. A lot 
of the original paint is still there, and I can confirm it is glossy black. 
The shock absorbers work fine, too. I also found the number of the rear 
axle, and it is exactly what it should be (131802368). And the strap, buffer 
and shock on the other side came off without a problem, too.

Now, however, I am heading for trouble. I am not going to sent the totem to 
anybody, and that, of course, means bad luck. So the problems with the 
spring bushes that I am going to face next week are my own fault.

Hope everybody had a nice weekend
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:11:46 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: More Ammeter  Help Needed

Tried to hook up the ammeter today....took the ignition, and distributer
leads together with one lead from  the ammeter.  The other lead from the
ammeter was hooked to the starter solenoid with the battery cable.  Power
to everything..even some drain showing on the ammeter, but the truck
wouldn't  start.
      Took and put everything back as  it was,  and now she won't start at
all! :-(  Can anybody help point me in the right direction to  get this
gauge in, and the truck running!?

Thanks in advance!  John

P.S.  Despite some sparking at times(due to improper connections), all the
fuses are ok, and all powered items continue to function....all except the
starter!

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Rover Club
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 509th COUGARS/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:15:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Seeking Pick-up Cab for 88"

Just got a `63 II  pick-up yesterday with cab  I am looking for a full top
(hard/soft) doesn`t matter .    Rgds,

`96 Disco  "Patsy"
`63 Ser  II  "Edina"
`97 Blazer  (not good enough for a name)

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:35:53 GMT
From: Udhishtran Senathirajah <ingan@globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: RE Slll lightwheight mods-THANKS

Thanks to everybody for the info on FWH,Filter,HTop conversion. 

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:25:51 -6
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: caller ID blocker

Speaking of netiqute: :-)
Sorry, it was intended for Alan Richer directly. Even us long time 
users make errors I guess.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:34:12 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Defroster Ducts & HTML
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 First, sorry about the HTML.  I'm using the new Netscape for mail and
I have set up an address book entry that indicates that the LRO list
doesn't want HTML, but it insists on sending it anyway.  I've sent mail
to Netscape regarding this.

Now for the LR content:

When I bought my ('65 and therefore 'early') IIA, it didn't have
dimister/defogger/defroster hoses from the air dispersal unit to the
dimister vents on the windscreen frame.  I went to NAPA today and got
some hoses (part # 815-1002 if you're interested.  Five feet is
sufficient).  I have the rectangular dimisters that mount above the
wiper motors, and there was nothing at all between the dispersal unit
and them.

I went to install the hoses, and noticed that there was only one hole in
the top part of the dash (immediately below the windscreen).  There are
two hoses in the area that would be a glove compartment if I had one.
I ended up going through the bottom and around the top, so one hose
looks correct, but the other does not.

The heater itself is unlike any I have seen on a Land Rover and I have
yet to have someone look at it and recognize it.  The heater is in the
engine compartment mounted on the inner wing.  It connects to the
dispersal unit via a large hole in the bulkhead.  I thought it was for a
VW bug, as it looks a lot like the VW aftermarket heater in JC Whitless,
but someone pointed out that they are not water cooled, so that doesn't
make sense.

Maybe I should just cut a new hole in the top of the dash...

C

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>&nbsp;First, sorry about the HTML.&nbsp; I'm using the new Netscape
for mail and I&nbsp;have set up an address book entry that indicates that
the LRO&nbsp;list doesn't want HTML, but it insists on sending it anyway.&nbsp;
I've sent mail to Netscape regarding this.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Now for the LR&nbsp;content:</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>When I bought my ('65 and therefore 'early') IIA, it didn't have dimister/defogger/defroster
hoses from the air dispersal unit to the dimister vents on the windscreen
frame.&nbsp; I&nbsp;went to NAPA&nbsp;today and got some hoses (part #
815-1002 if you're interested.&nbsp; Five feet is sufficient).&nbsp; I
have the rectangular dimisters that mount above the wiper motors, and there
was nothing at all between the dispersal unit and them.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>I went to install the hoses, and noticed that there was only one hole
in the top part of the dash (immediately below the windscreen).&nbsp; There
are two hoses in the area that would be a glove compartment if I&nbsp;had
one.&nbsp; I&nbsp;ended up going through the bottom and around the top,
so one hose looks correct, but the other does not.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>The heater itself is unlike any I&nbsp;have seen on a Land Rover and
I have yet to have someone look at it and recognize it.&nbsp; The heater
is in the engine compartment mounted on the inner wing.&nbsp; It connects
to the dispersal unit via a large hole in the bulkhead.&nbsp; I thought
it was for a VW bug, as it looks a lot like the VW&nbsp;aftermarket heater
in JC&nbsp;Whitless, but someone pointed out that they are not water cooled,
so that doesn't make sense.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Maybe I should just cut a new hole in the top of the dash...</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>C</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
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From: Mike MacDonald <mmacdonald@laserdirect.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:01:48 -0800

I have set a goal for myself that within 90 days I wish to once again
join the ranks of Land Rover owners.  I Owned a '68 SIIA about 15 years
ago and have kicked myself ever since I let it go.  I'm now in a
position to do something about it.

Anyone out there know of a 65-69 SIIA for sale in the Western part of
the US?  (I'm in the Puget Sound area of Washington state.)  I wish to
get a vehicle that is driveable, but it doesn't have to be a pristine
original, nor restored. 

Thanks!                    mmacdonald@laserdirect.com

>----------
>From:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 1474 lines)]
>majordomo-owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  -B

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:30:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Dirk Tischer <dtischer@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Installation of Oil Pressure gauge on D90

Does anyone know the thread size on the oil pressure sender connected to
the Oil Pump on a D90?  

	I've got a sunpro oil pressure gauge that I want to connect and I
may use a T fitting on the sender connection or try someone's suggestion
and connect it to another opening on the oil pump.  (There is a bolt
directly opposite the oil sender connection that may be workable or may be
some nec.  part of the oil pump I really shouldn't use...)  

In any case, If anyone knows what the thread size is.  (it will be the
same thread size as on the rover oil pressure sensor)  I would greatly
appreciate it.  I don't have the equipment to tap one of the bolts, so
I'd prefer to find the right connection before I start taking things
apart.

Thanks so much,

Dirk Tischer
94 D90 

P.S. I just installed a Tuffy box and the 12 inch size fits great.  You
can even use the factory connections to tie the thing down if you don't
want to do too much drilling in the floorboards.  I think Tuffy suggests
the 10 inch one because their mounting bracket on the 12 inch one is
alittle wide in back because of the seat belt connections, still it can
fit or you can just not use their bracket. 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:33:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Seeking Pick-up Cab for 88"

In a message dated 97-01-26 16:17:42 EST, you write:

<< Just got a `63 II  pick-up yesterday with cab  I am looking for a full top
 (hard/soft) doesn`t matter . >>

Well, I've got 3 possible Hard tops with doors I could swap with you if
you're interested.  I'm looking at 2 other possible pick up tops so let me
know.

Nate

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 16:31:50 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: 2.25 l Compressed Head Gasket Thickness?

        There are composite and copper gaskets. I miked a composite gasket
and it was .044". I checked a copper gasket once but can't find the data
but my recollection is that it was near this figure.

        Jim Allen

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:11:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Good Luck

>From rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R Whitehead):

<Hou die blink kant bo!!!!>

Hukd on foniks? Gud lak wid de inglish langwage....

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:15:35 -0600
From: Rob Davis_Chicago <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Defroster Ducts & HTML

Hi Chris,
 I have seen the defroster ducts routed several ways on the 2A Land
Rovers.  You may find that there is a hole on the drivers side.  One
routing I have seen went under the dash to that side then up to the
window.  On my late 2A there is a hole behind a gage panel.  The gages
are in front of the hose on the right side(facing front).  Hope that
helps.

Regards
 Rob Davis_chicago

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:19:17 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Celebrity RRover

At 05:31 PM 1/23/97 -0800, you wrote:
> January '97 issue of the Atlantic British 'RoverLog' features a celebrity
> '92 Range Rover on the cover.  It was used in the French production of
> "The Jungle Book".  It's owner says, "I bought it from a dealer in Memphis
> in 1992.  Just wanted to show you.  I love this vehicle!" -/s/ Johnny Cash

Maybe a long-term LROA project could be digging up the addresses of the
agents of all the folks on the celeb list and sending them invitations to
join and/or sample AW's?

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:18:55 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LR PickUps

At 04:06 PM 1/23/97 -500, you wrote:
>What sorts of pick up lines would a LR generate?

Wanna see me go into overdrive?

I'm a free-wheeling hub kinda guy!

Let's have breakfast -- by my breakfast!

Those aren't oil leaks, it's my adult slip-and-slide!

I've got a built-in beer bottle opener!

It's not the size of your stick, it's how many!

Did I say Range Rover?  I meant Land Rover!

Are you into mud?  I'm into mud.  

You haven't lived until you've done it on the roof rack.

I've got a *long*-wheelbase, if you know what I mean.

Wanna come over and help me take my top off?

Baby, I can make your body quiver and shake; I can get your stomach doing
flip-flops; You'll dig your fingers into the cushions and you'll think
you've gone deaf and blind; you'll hang on for dear life during the wildest
ride of your life -- and that's just in first gear!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 17:18:58 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: movie sighting

Watched a movie called Human Timebomb (1996) t'other night.  Emphasis on the
*bomb* part.  But, there were a bunch of LR's running around at the
beginning.  One gets totalled by a run-away plane.  (A 109reg, I think)  One
of 'em looked not right to me in parts (the one the head bad guy was chasing
the good guy in) but it could have been just because it was way past my
bedtime.  

Note: don't bother watching after they get caught; there are no more LR's,
and it's not that good.  (I saved y'all the trouble -- ain't I a nice guy?)

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 18:22:25 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Movie sighting

Saw Fierce Creatures last night.  Totally hilarious movie.  *And* it not
only has an 88", but the zookeepers end up with LR patches on their arms and
they put up two big "best 4x4xfar" banners.  LR is also listed in the
credits -- twice!

Anyway, go see it. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 22:40:09 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Mile Marker

Greg Spitz just found out that his 9,000# Mile Marker is slower than his 
Superwinch S9000.  I think the reason (other than the cold affecting the 
hydraulic fluid) is that the output of the PS pump limits the capacity of 
the winch to but 7,000# even though it is rated to 9,000#.

I still like the Mile Marker and plan to install one on the Safari Gard 
bumper on the Disco when I get it.  However, I'd much rather run it from a 
PTO pump, because I want a "working" winch, not a "recovery" winch.  The 
LT-230 T-box has a rear PTO hole.  Anybody tried using it?
Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Second vehicles/military bits

Mike writes,
When i got my Lightweight.....

I had a similar situation, i didnt even know how to drive when i bought the
wayback machine, my (then) girlfriend told me she would teach me to drive,
after about a month of her driving the rover to work and telling me she would
teach me *tomorrow* (and me riding my bicycle to work) i got one of my
friends to teach me to drive. 

Later her car died (78 caprice classic wagon w/ about a bazillion miles) and
we bought a new saturn wagon, loaded the only wagon the dealer had on the
lot... anyway there would be great *discussion* each morning and the loser of
the *discussion* would get to listen to CDs and play with the power
windows/mirrors/doorlocks on the way to work

BTW, i want to disagree with whoever said saturns dont have character,
saturns have character, not compared to a rover of course, in the beginning
they also had comraderie, similar to that of rover ownership. 
If you want a car with *absolutely* no character... my honda civic... that's
why my license plate is: APYLNCE

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
97 Honda Civic, The Appliance
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
Honda Civic, 2WD for wretched DC commuting <- auto. transmission!

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Land Rover pickup lines... 

Jeff writes...
Spenny, Zippy and I hit Burlington VT ...  Hearing my story, 
Spenny tried the same line on a young lady at a bar.

i actually tried a variant of the the line.... 
*Excuse me, but my friend wants to know if you think we'll go metric?*

it worked quite nicely, we chatted at length about lord only knows what.if my
dancing skills were any better than my mechanical abilities, i'd have asked
her to dance :)

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover backed up against the _DIKE_

And don't forget the old, Old, OLD favourites,

OF11) D90 wars
OF12) Beer Wars
OF13) Toy rover wars - tom, you still got that gummy IIA?

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:12:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

Jeff wrote...
Actually, I think Mike may be referring to "Cry Wolf" 

I havent read the novel, but it cant be Cry Wolf. the Ethiopians fought the
Italians in the 30's. that would be like the land rovers in the movie Battle
for Britain. ..slightly ahead of their time, and that as we all know was a
triumph trademark :)

Jim Pappas will know more about ethopian history, having lived there, i was
conceived there, but had the misfortune of being born in the states. my only
trip to africa, and i wasnt really able to enjoy it... :(
i was almost at a University of Pennsylvania football game, but that's
another story :) 

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 21:45:05 -0700
From: alan boyer <aboyer@intermountain.com>
Subject: Re: Installation of Oil Pressure gauge on D90

Oil Pressure thread size? They are British Standard, Can't find dem here in the
states, you have to take an oil pressure switch and modify it to create what u 
need.

At 04:30 PM 1/26/97 -0700, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)]
>the 10 inch one because their mounting bracket on the 12 inch one is
>alittle wide in back because of the seat belt connections, still it can
>fit or you can just not use their bracket. 

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicle people types...
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:07:48 +0100 (MET)

| (how & where does one ride one's thumb, Franz ;-) ?)
Ah! May be I should have been more precise. You just stand
at the side of the road facing into the opposite direction
you want to go (important!) and hold out your hand with
the thumb facing upwards. If you chose the right place someone
will stop and ask where you want to go.
Hey ! You have heard about hitch hiking, don't ya? ;-)

Keep the oily side down!
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Engine What'll It Be?
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:25:51 +0100 (MET)

TerriAnn writes,

| Considering the increased milage, I would consider the 2.5l turbocharged diesel.
I'd keep my fingers off this thing if I were you. I've heard too much about
failing turbos at 50.000km. The problem of these is that they are not too
well lubed and tend to kick their bearings if you treat them wrong. Which
most people do. Don't rev them up just after start, when the turbo still
hasn't the full oil pressure and let the engine idle for 1 or 2 minutes
before shutting it off or the oil in the turbo bearings will burn solid.
There are even people, that say that the engine beeing a 2.5D with a
addon turbo can't take the increased heat and pressure. 
Please note that I talked about the 2.5l TD not the 2.5l TdI which is a
completely different design.

Cheers,
Frans
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: SIII Gearbox-outing
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 8:43:45 GMT

> Calling all Series III gearbox buffs!
> MY SIII 109D 1976 failed its MOT yesterday as the inspector discovered
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> I have never removed gearbox before, so i am interested in the recipe
> from anyone with hand-on experience.

Well, I did this on Saturday. I guess 2 people working together could do
it in a day. I had the complications of an FFR, and some rather stubborn
bolts on the seatbox, also my helper had a hangover last Saturday, so it
took about 2 days, spread over a week to do!

The operation is fairly simple, and is outlined in the repair manual,
and Haynes.
 
> I know that I must first remove floor-plates, tunnel arch, and seat-box,
> but what then? what removals in what order?

Yep. You may have to take an exhaust section out - depends if it goes over
one of the gearbox mounts. Remove the handbrake lever mechanism. This is
easier with the seatbox off, although you'll have to disconnect it from
the chassis before you lift the seatbox out.
FFR has added problems with fuel lines, extra tank (when you do the heavy
lifting), and batteries.
 
> And what about the clutch, can the box be removed without disturbing the
> clutch hydraulics? (Clutch is 2 yrs old and works fine, should this be
> replaced just because the gearbox is out or will it be ok for a while?
> Any comments?

Having sprayed my face with clutch fluid, I think I can answer this one.
You have to unbolt the slave cylinder. Of course, the piston decided it
wanted to come out...  (didn't quite, but I did dribble a bit of fluid!

> I have several friends and neighbours in my area who drive series trucks
> but noone I know does their own maintenance, so I will be doing this
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> practice - I'd offer a case of beer and a happening-curry in exchange
> for a hand!

Boxes/crates of Guinness did the trick for me. The method we used was
the strap the gearbox to an aluminium ladder, and lift it out with two
people. Our mistake was to (accidentally) give the extra leaverage to the
person on the passenger side. The driver side person has to clamber through
the truck, and would really prefer the extra mechanical advantage (you'll
see what I mean!)

Putting it back: I'll either hire a hoist or get a third person. I hear
alignment is a problem, and after taking it out, I can now see why!

 
> Box will be rebuilt whilst it is out - should I consider installing
> overdrive at the same time, or can this be done later, without having to
> split the whole furniture again?

I believe it can be fitted in situ. I'm not fitting one this time, because
i can't afford it.
 
> And has anyone tried mounting a shorter stick on the gearbox (child in
> centre "deluxe" seat always conflicts with 2nd and 4th? Apart from
> originality, is there any good reason why a Series III stick couldn't be
> a short as a Massey-Ferguson 35 shift? Maybe it might wobble less at
> high speed?

Get rid of the middle seat. I think its as good as useless, but then I
don't have one (FFRs have a battery case in the middle position - hand
for maps, or lunch!).
 

I'll be asking lots more questions about gearbox rebuilds, so everyone
beware!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 08:56:13 PST
From: James Breach <jbreach@ds5200>
Subject: Diesel Glow plugs

Lloydy my series 3 diesel won't start again this morning.
I suspect the glow plugs which I've been avioding replacing
 Does anyone have any idea whether the parallel aftermarket glow
plugs are any better than the original land rover ones.
I'd like an answer because It's too cold to use the bicycle.
James

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:07:46 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Engine What'll It Be?

, parts are not a
>probelm (at least in the U.K, I suppose), unlike the 3-main engines.
Parts are not a problem for the 3 bearing engines,either,in the U.K

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Pick-up Lines
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 9:17:42 GMT

> DaveB has asked (for his shy friends, no doubt) for our favorite lines.

> 4.  You wouldn't happen to have a 7/16" Whitworth wrench would you?  US

How to get hit,over here...
(cue: talk wench jokes)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: lascht@stricom.army.mil
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 04:38:29 EST
Subject: Land Rover Sighting - Oviedo, FL

               Saw a late SIIA or SIII 88" yesterday driving though 
               Oviedo Florida.  I was White on Green and looked very 
               nice.  Does anyone know who owns it?  I don't see too 
               many many down here, so I was taken by surprise.  Any 
               other owners also in the Orlando area?
               
               Tom Lasch
               '65 SIIA 88" (RHD)
               Oviedo, FL
               lascht@stricom.army.mil

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:46:10 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel Glow plugs

> Does anyone have any idea whether the parallel aftermarket glow
>plugs are any better than the original land rover ones.
>I'd like an answer because It's too cold to use the bicycle.
>James
Definitely worth the money.Actually you wont pay much more
for a set of Dieselglow parallel wired ones than a replacement
set of originals.When you bear in mind there's probably only
one of your heater plugs currently duff,but being series wired
they work on the Union principle(One out,all out),they are worth
it for that alone.Plus,the element is a "bulb",rather than a
squidgy bit of bent wire,and therefore much more robust.I've got
'em,and Bloody Nora started better from day one.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Hand throttle kit
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 21:46:00 EST

Rich,
My '83 carbied RR has such a choke cable as does my Hillman.
I remember when I bought the Hillman in 1971 that I went back to the dealer 
to complain that I couldn't get the choke to stay out.  He demonstrated the 
turn to lock feature - something I had never before seen.

Regards,

Ron Beckett

> It looks like an old fashioned manual choke. It's a metal cable
>inside of a cable housing. It has a pull handle that you can turn 90
>degrees to lock.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 11:55:12 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: SIII Gearbox-outing

Hello Adrian!

I heared of the posibility to remove the gearbox whithout removing the seats
but I don't know any details.

Clutch hydraulic: You could clamp of the hose. Maybe it will not leak 
afterwards :-(  I can't tell you much about the clutch because mine is a SIIA

Have a look to my LR-Page. There you can see my son and me replaceing a
bearing in the Gearbox. Maybe it will help a little.

Have fun and don't loose to much parts....

 Peter

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Gods Must Be Crazy?
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 22:26:00 EST

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> Where can I get a copy of "The Gods Must Be Crazy".  The first one
> starring the Land Rover with the atomic winch.  You know the film.
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]

I notice our local video store has it in stock  (In Australia)
Regards,

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: My Rover Leaks (*suprise*)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 22:26:00 EST

>You can purchase rubber bulkhead plugs in different sizes
> through British Pacific.  I don't know any other
>LR mail order places that carry them.

I buy mine at the local general auto parts store off the rack which has 
nuts, bolts, screws, grommets etc.
I assume US stores have similar rotating generic parts dispensers.

Regards,

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: movie sighting
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 22:26:00 EST

>Watched a movie called Human Timebomb (1996) t'other night.  Emphasis on
>the *bomb* part.  But, there were a bunch of LR's running around at the

I watched (until I fell asleep) the 007 movie. "Never Say Never Again" last 
night.  Noticed a red SIII or was it a IIA, on an American airbase from 
where two nuclear cruise missiles were stolen.  Reason on US airbase - It 
was in the UK.

Ron

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