Land Rover Owner Message Digest Contents

[ First Message Last | Table of Contents | <- Digest -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]

The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Send Submissions Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:07:03 -500
Subject: Shipfitters

Thanks John for the "shipfitters disease" definition.
I know those symptoms, which I call "wooden sailboat
syndrome".  Mark 

------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:29:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Snow chains

>>>Put the chains on the front where you have all the weight.  Dave
>>Disagree stongly! Your weighted tires already have better traction

But it might be nice to have steering........

\\\This all assumes that you have the presence of mind to handle a vehicle
\with a lot of oversteer....the folks at DOT or NHTSA seem to think

Oversteer is beneficial if you know what to do with 
it.........Sometimes the only way round a corner on ice is to steer 
with the back - which is why I HATE the transmisson brake on LRs with 
all my being........

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:02:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Snow chains

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, "Franklin H. Yap" <fhyap@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>For another point of view:  The Defender manual says snow chains should 
>be placed on the rear axle only.

Probably more 'cause of danger to the bodywory with the larger U.S. spec. tires.

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 13:00:26 UT
From: "DAVID MOORE" <DMOOR2E@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

Your story amazes; prior to the neanderthal invention - the stick of wood - 
how were you maintaining pressure on your system? the stick of wood does 
nothing more than the requisite assistant would do when bleeding brakes - i.e. 
holding a foot on the pedal while the bleed screw(s) are loosened. If the 
system wasn't under pressure when bleeding, no wonder the name - moron 
brakes.Next time you replace a wheel, remember it works better if you jack the 
vehicle up first.

----------
From: 	Adams, Bill
Sent: 	Wednesday, January 22, 1997 9:28 AM
Subject: 	Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

OK, so I've been pestering everyone about the inability of your author to 
get the air out of his 109 brakes.
At last epiphany! Just as I was about to hook up the compressor to the 
reservoir for the umpteenth time, I lit upon a new scheme.
This involves the use of a carefully measured stick of wood. In this case 
a chunk about 24 inches or so that I eyeballed and lopped off with my 
handy-dandy Makita mini circular saw ( a dream tool for all you wood 
butchers out there).
This is for holding the pedal in the depressed position while the 
erstwhile home mechanic crawls belly first under the beast and opens the 
offending bleed screw (left-rear first, etc....). By pumping the pedal up 
to maximum pressure and locking it in place with the aforementioned stick 
between the pedal and the seatbox, I was able to get a pretty good squirt 
of brake juice when the bleeder opened and as a result I found the 
long-standing blob of air that has vexed me lo these many weeks.
So in truth, all along I needed nothing more than this little piece of 
Mother Nature to restore the vitality and pleasurable stiffness to the 
middle pedal. To those who are still elevating, pressurizing, pumping, 
and whatever else, please try this method first. It may save endless 
hours of exercises that will yield little.

Oh, and another thing, when troubleshooting electrical problems, alway 
check wiring for good contact and ground first ! Stupid, stupid 
stupid....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Blatant Commercialism-SIII heater core goes for $950!!! Insane,
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:18:00 -0500

If anyone out there want a Series III original heater core in pristine
condition - yours for just $800 (or offers)
I'm also selling a pair of Warn Hubs (You either want them or don't.
Please, NO threads on why) again open to offers.

Trevor "business is business" Easton

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:27:36 -0500
From: Hank_Lapa@signalcorp.com (Hank Lapa)
Subject: Commercial Content, etc.

     All, 
     
     I do not consider it "commercial" for anyone to *advise* the 
     list of a new website, product, service, collectable item, 
     etc.  Across the sometimes fine line, though, is where a 
     commercial entity posts, well, a commercial, for the business 
     purpose of making a profit.  I don't gag over it, but I don't 
     think that's why we're all subscribed -- to get unsolicied 
     (though occasionally interesting) electronic junk mail.  
     Definitely tell me of useful, even commercial, websites so I 
     can check out the goodies myself.  Fortunately I haven't 
     noticed a lot of "Lucas Blowout Sale at BritLant" or 
     "Anniversary Specials from Rovers Southeast" complete with 
     prices and shipping charges, AmEx, Visa, MC accepted. Some 
     recognize the difference ... and some don't.  The obvious 
     intent is to keep out the latter, and that's fine, good, and 
     reasonable.  In the end, what each of us finds acceptable is 
     really up to each of us. There's my two-cent's worth of 
     "nothing new."  Another 73 cents gets you a cup of coffee.  
     
     By the way, I was looking at the old Swingline on my desk 
     today, and it really has _got_ to be the "Land-Rover of 
     staplers......"
     
     Just kidding.
     
     Big, BIG thanks to Jim Allen for the bit about the 2.5 cam 
     upgrade for 2.25s with the 2-bbl Weber/Pierce set-up.  I have 
     that carb/manifold, which I like quite a lot, but have never 
     heard of this other improvement before!  This is the kind of 
     stuff that gets my finger off the Down Arrow!  
     
     Hank
     1960 Ser II 109 SW ("Dreadnought")
     1995 Discovery 8i 5-speed (unnamed, of course)
     Big toothy moray eel  ("Spot")

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:46:45 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan)
Subject: Re: Commercial Content, etc.

Hank Lapa wrote:
>      All,
>      I do not consider it "commercial" for anyone to *advise* the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>      list of a new website, product, service, collectable item,
>      etc.  

Agreed

Rgds  
Stan

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 9:00:50 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: RE: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

Did I fail to mention the absence of the "requisite assistant" ?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:57:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Remote locks/keyless entry

<<I would like to install a keyless entry system for my RR.
Has anyone had experience in doing this.  I would appreciate any advice and
expertise in this area.>>
  I used to install car alarms for a few years so I think I could help you
  out on this one.  If you already have power door locks, you're talking
  about a 1 hour install job.  Just pcik up anyone of those keyless entry
  systems in JC Whitney or someplace.  Then using a multimeter you can
  quickly test the wires in the door to determine which ones are used to
  lock/unlock and their polarity.  If you don't have power locks already,
  it's not a problem at all.  You just need to buy door lock actuators for
  each door.  They are a snap to install.  Maybe 15 minutes for each door.
  And they simplify the wiring to the keyless entry system and they'll give
  you power locks also.  If you need to buy actuators, I can't stress
  enough to buy the best ones you can(SPALs are very nice).  Many people
  thought they were getting a "deal" by buying the cheap ones.  Not so when
  you need to replace them in a year because they've worn out.  If you have
  anymore questions, you can contact me directly.
  Brian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:34:18 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: 2.25 cams etc.

To expand on Jim's advice...
        To make a nice clean install, and still retain the heat transfer
from intake to exhaust manifolds, *the Pierece just blocks this off with a
plate* you can skip the Pierce intake manifold and go for the 2.5 intake
and exhaust manifolds. They bolt right to the 2.25, and are already set up
for the Weber 2bbl. Only real problem is the exhaust output is an inch or
so ahead of the original 2.25 manifold, so a custom head pipe is needed.
This, with the 2.5 cam and the right tune with actually make a difference
you can notice.
        Need more power!!:-)
        See ya.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Restoration, Custom work, and More
               Series Coil Chassis Specialists

------------------------------

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:33:53 -500
Subject: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

I'm with you Bill!  

I am also always alone when bleeding brakes.
Mark

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:57:00 est
From: "Brian Hanson/EW/BNL" <Brian_Hanson/EW/BNL_at_BLNOTESMAIL@blwn0009.bausch.com>
Subject: Re: Remote locks/keyless entry

<<I would like to install a keyless entry system for my RR.
Has anyone had experience in doing this.  I would appreciate any advice and
expertise in this area.>>
  I used to install car alarms for a few years so I think I could help you
  out on this one.  If you already have power door locks, you're talking
  about a 1 hour install job.  Just pcik up anyone of those keyless entry
  systems in JC Whitney or someplace.  Then using a multimeter you can
  quickly test the wires in the door to determine which ones are used to
  lock/unlock and their polarity.  If you don't have power locks already,
  it's not a problem at all.  You just need to buy door lock actuators for
  each door.  They are a snap to install.  Maybe 15 minutes for each door.
  And they simplify the wiring to the keyless entry system and they'll give
  you power locks also.  If you need to buy actuators, I can't stress
  enough to buy the best ones you can(SPALs are very nice).  Many people
  thought they were getting a "deal" by buying the cheap ones.  Not so when
  you need to replace them in a year because they've worn out.  If you have
  anymore questions, you can contact me directly.
  Brian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:56:16 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: 2.25 cams etc.

>        To make a nice clean install, and still retain the heat transfer
>from intake to exhaust manifolds, *the Pierece just blocks this off with a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>This, with the 2.5 cam and the right tune with actually make a difference
>you can notice.
To Mike Smith;

        I've used the U.K. Manifold setup too but don't you have to use the
DMTL carb? It's been a while but I think I remember that the DGV carbs used
on the Pierce setup have a larger mounting flange. The DMTL flows as much
as the DGV (191cfm=DGV, 194cfm=DMTL) but it's a little harder to find and
more expensive. Please correct me if I'm off the mark. Pierce makes a
manifold heater also.

        Jim Allen

PS- Do you also use the 11BTDC cam timing figure? If so, were your results
as good as mine?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:08:24 -0800
From: Neil Sheridan <neil_seg@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Tim Harincar's Random Moments of Darkness

Tim,

My high / low beam selector switch was the culprit when I would have 
random episodes of no lights, only high or only low, no problems.

Good Luck!

Neil Sheridan
'65 88  "Sheridan Valdez" (still looking for a better name and a reduced 
flow of oil recycling back to Mother Earth)

------------------------------

From: lroshop@idirect.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:32:16 +0000
Subject: Re: Fellow Clubs

Please check our club site at web.idirect.com/~lroshop/ and confirm 
your club is listed and if so it is listed correctly.

Many thanks

LRO Shop.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:34:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Blatant Commercialism-SIII heater core goes for $950!!! Insane,

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Easton Trevor wrote:

> If anyone out there want a Series III original heater core in pristine
> condition - yours for just $800 (or offers)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Please, NO threads on why) again open to offers.
> Trevor "business is business" Easton
SWINE....

Russ Wilson
67 RHD 88
"The Pig"  < with many parts donated by others who had spares...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:29:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Franz Parzefall wrote:

> | >I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.
> | Feet.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

For those rare occasions when the Rover is not moving under it's own power
my choices are as follows....

96 Cannondale Super-V Active
if that fails me (not yet)
feet....

Russ W.
67 RHD 
"The Pig"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:36:10 -0800
From: Neil Sheridan <neil_seg@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: SPAM, SPAM, SPAM....GLORIOUS SPAM!!!

Dear All,

Personally, I don't mind a single instance of a commercial website's 
webmaster inviting people to visit or, similarly, an occasional notice 
about good condition used frames, LR toys and collectibles, etc.  It 
helps me understand what's out there for sale and at what price. 
Likewise, I think knowing a few personal details about the list members 
helps make the list feel more like a bunch of people rather than a 
collection of e-mail addresses.  

BUT...endless exchanges of comments about Pentax cameras and PCs, etc. 
make reading the digest a chore.  Could Bill C. add a short section on 
list etiquette to the web page and also to the digest's header section.  
One guideline could be a "Three Day Rule", if someone opens a thread on a 
non-LR subject, the last day to post a response would be three days after 
the original post's appearance in the digest.  A second would be last 
year's suggestion that for posts that pertain to only one model type the 
Subject begin with LR, RR, Disco, etc. so it would be easier for the 
dis-interested reader to skip.  Another could be that you if you want to 
write a policy suggestion like this, it must include the following in the 
Subject line:  "Warning!  Self-Righteous List Policy Opinion"

Would these suggestions work? This list seems to have a lot of structure 
compared to others and many people lurk around before making their first 
post, so maybe...

Getting off my high and mighty horse and into the LR,

Neil Sheridan
'65 88

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:47:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Daniel McDonough <mcdonoug@cs.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

> One of the major advantages of having 2 series LRs is that when you
> dismantle something on one of them, and can't find a diagram of how to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> and use it as a manual!
> -- 
Thanks for the idea, now I have an answer for people who don't understand
Roveritis and ask, why do I have two D-90's

Daniel McDonough
mcdonoug@cs.unm.edu
mcdonoug@worldnet.att.net

'95 D-90 Ragtop
'95 D-90 SW

------------------------------

From: "Zijp, Ferenc-Jan van" <fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:15:00 CET

please, help this illiterate landlubber:

What on earth means 'shipfitter's disease'? Is it comparable to   
'shipbuilder's syndrome' ? If so, what does 'shipbuilder's syndrome'   
mean?

Confusedly,

Ferenc

#     fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl
#          ferencj@xs4all.nl
#
#  still roverless, but an avid dreamer
#
#   __________ <--- empty driveway (not even oil-stained)
#
#  An opinion is hard to get by, but when I have one,
#  I seriously doubt it is shared by my employer.  

------------------------------

Date: 23 Jan 1997 11:05 EST
From: "Taren Patterson" <tpatters@nortel.ca>
Subject: Help...

Can someone please post the exact procedure on how to UNSUBSCRIBE to this...
Include include the E-Mail address, list, etc.  

TJ
tpatters@bnr.ca

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:13:10 +0000
From: Johan Balijon <balijon@iwwn.com.na>
Subject: Re:LR/Ferguson

Dear Mark,
Indead the Triumph TR series (2,3 and 4) used an engine that was
directly based on the Ferguson unit. Standard Triumph at that time part
owned Ferguson. The engine was dropped with the TR 5 which used a 2,5
ltr 6 cyl (coming from the Triumph saloon and Gt-6/Vitesse range). The
Standard Vanguard was also equiped with the Fergie engine. In
competition version TR's can reach over 150 bhp (twin Weber, etc), might
be nice for a Ferguson as well.

------------------------------

Date: 23 Jan 1997 11:47:03 U
From: "Philip McMaster" <pmcmaster@spaceport.ca>
Subject: Trying to say goodbye

                      Subject:                              Time:  11:33 AM
  OFFICE MEMO         Trying to say goodbye                 Date:  1/23/97
Hi Landy Folks.. Much as I love this list (except non-Land Rover drivel..) It is
"way too large" and has caused me untold trouble downloading and sorting over
the last couple of weeks.

I have been trying to "unsubscribe" with apparently no effect, for almost a week now.
Owning both a Land Rover and a Range Rover, I subscribed to both lists.. but
being a computer novice, I'm obviously doing something wrong in my attempts to
stop the avalanche of e-mail!

I can't remember if I subscribed under 
pmcmaster@f-pro.ca 
or 
pmcmaster@spaceport.ca  
would someone please assist me in removing myself from both lists?

appreciated... sorry to sent to this list but I'm at my wit's end!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:13:03 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: fergies, and the most popular tractors

To continue the thread: Although I stated every farmer has a little gray 
tractor, (which I feel have the same friendly charm as old Rovers) the most 
common vehicle around here to get the crop in the ground, etc, appears to be 
either Caterpillars, or Massey-Fergusons, although John Deere's are also 
present in large numbers. These are big, powerful tractors, with the 
"friendly charm" of Kenworth Semi's or HMMMV's. The Fordsons, Farmalls, and 
Fergusons are the tractors that are always expected to run, and are seen 
going anywhere, capable of efficiently using their 40 horses in places the 
200 horse monster tractors can't go. Besides, you can crank start them, and 
they're positive ground. 
 Perhaps the Caterpillar Challenger is the equivelant to the Defender. 
What's equivelant to the Range Rover?
JohnO
(My 109 was painted "John Deere" green when I bought it. Really one of the 
better brush paint jobs I've seen, except the yellow wheels were just too 
much!!)

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:20:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Parts for Sale

As some of you may know, I used to be in the Land Rover Parts business.  I was 
cleaning out the garage this weekend and finally got a list of leftover parts 
for sale together.  It is by no means comprehensive but check it out if you'd 
like.

The list can be found at:

http://www.OverlandMotors.com

Thanks
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:11:16 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Enough about stinkin' tractors already!

Post this stuff to alt.tractornerds

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:34:51 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Captian Winky Lucas

Connect another switch, with long wires and in parallel, to the headlight 
wires. Let the new switch dangle below the dash, but don't let it short. If 
the  headlights start to flicker, switch the parallel switch ON. If the 
problem is in the switch, the flicker will disappear. I just replaced the 
switch in my '64 109. I also put a ground strap from chassis to breakfast.
JohnO
>The headlights on my '66 IIa just decided to start (seemingly randomly) 

blinking
>off for no apparent reason. 

------------------------------

Date: 23 Jan 1997 13:01 EST
From: "Taren Patterson" <tpatters@nortel.ca>
Subject: Help

unsubscribe lro tpatters@bnr.ca

------------------------------

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:21:24 -500
Subject: Bakelite Switches

Tell me this Oh Wise Ones,
Were there two types of IIA instrument panel ignition/light switches? 
I have seen the type with Bakelite cast-in lever for the light switch
and I think I have seen a type with hexagonal Bakelite knob less 
paddle lever.  This being as thick as mudd, let me know if you can 
wade through.  Mark 

------------------------------

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:23:03 -500
Subject: Breakfast

Why is the grille front panel called a "breakfast"?  Mark

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:53:25 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Breakfast

At 02:23 PM 1/23/97 -500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
:Why is the grille front panel called a "breakfast"?  Mark

 The two headlights look like eggs in a pan on early LR's.

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:55:30 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Breakfast

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> Why is the grille front panel called a "breakfast"?  Mark

Because it was two eggs on it, ofcourse...
-- 
                                    ____________
                                    Mike Johnson
                                74 SIII 88 (Chester)
                                73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
                           http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm
                           _____________________________

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 10:32:42 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: More Important Land Rover Content

Well, with all of the attention given lately to the side interests of 
LRO's, ie. PC's, Camera's, tractors, etc, I've decided to list a few things 
of my own to add to this really interesting, informative and enlightening 
topic:

Non-Dairy Creamers
Sponge Layer Cakes
Trash bags- Handle Tie or regular?
Pattern Wallpaper
Clowns- funny or pure evil?
Deodorant/Antiperspirant
Toothpaste
Cologne 
Potato Chips
Favorite Chinese Food
Sitcoms
Pick-up Lines

I could go on, looking forward to a heap of responses!

Thanks!
DaveB.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:12:15 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re:Re[2]: Series IIA Heater

>>Rovers North's Mansfield heater is an excellent fit and a real little
>>furnace.  It has kept the interior of my leaky rag-top toasty well below
>>zero.

>Also costs somewhere around a bazillion (1100) dollars...probably better
>off sourcing a decent used Kodiak.

That's what I thought.

Lets see:

Mk I Kodiak, used 			 $60.00
new matrix (Core)			 $75.00
new blower motor			 $40.00
new inline valve			 $28.00
new #6 British parallel pipe thread 
fittings and adapters for cylinder head	 $60.00
New paint				  $6.00
new 5/8 hose and stainless clamps	 $15.00
sealer and weather stripping		 $10.00
Tax (would have been tax free		 $25.00
     to order from RN)

Total					$319.00

I thought I got a bargain, didn't I.  And maybe I did because I also got the added fun of running 
around to gather all this stuff up, drill out the fittings, sand and paint, cut out the upper floor 
board, balance the blower, and make a wiring harness with a fuse (I know, takes all the fun out of 
electrical faults).  And then there's the reliability risk if I had bought a brand new heater, not 
broken in like a used one ya' know. 

But it works sooo gooood.  Now if only I can figure out how to reroute those wierd Smith's demister 
ducts.  After all, now I can stay warm without removing the hose end from the demister and cramming 
it up my pants leg :-)

Garret Scott
scottgs@usit.net
67 air portable

------------------------------

From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:17:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: How 'bout the old ones?

<<Well,  when my 95 D90SW (Blue) is in for service,  I guess my back up would
be my wife's 95 D90SW (Green).  Life Is Great.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW>>

Didn't you recently haul two leaf-sprung LR's from AZ?  Aren't talking about
them yet?  You're not ashamed of them are you?  Not on this list!?  :-)

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
"Presidend of nothing... just ask my wife!"

------------------------------

From: "John D. Putnam" <jdputnam@whpacific.com>
Subject: RE: 2nd vehicle
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:28:56 -0800
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My second vehicle is a 1975 Fiat 124 Sypder.  At present neither work.

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR

----------
From: 	SPYDERS@aol.com
Sent: 	Wednesday, January 22, 1997 3:12 PM
Subject: 	2nd vehicle

I can't afford (or find for free) another LR like mine to guide me through
replacing bits i've taken off like Adrian is so fortunate to have, so here in
order of use are my next forms of transportation for when the 110's down:

91 Cannondale Road Bike
95 Sperry Topsiders
96 Flip flops
71 Bare feet

pat
93  110

------ =_NextPart_000_01BC0929.015C3320

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:37:08 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Lightweight

>>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:15:31 -0700
>>From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
>>Subject: Re: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Lightweight

>Garrett Said in response to a question:

>     K&N air filter.
>>Yes, Not Recommended.  I installed the Weber dual-choke carb on mine, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>>toughness for an itty bit of
>>increased power?

>Say Garrett:

>        Did you ever try reading the manual on cleaning your K&N?... They
>recommend up to 100,000 miles on a street filter between cleaning. 

	  [ truncated by me (was a bunch of lines)]

>- it still outflowed the LR oil bath by 200%!

>        As to the .75hp, I have dyno tested Range Rovers and Discoverys and
>a K&N alone was worth 5-5.5 hp (that's about $6/hp) and a 3% improvement.
>If the 3% follows to a 2.25, that's about 2.43hp. Haven't dynoed a 2.25L to
>test .

	  [ truncated by me (was a bunch more lines)]

>        I do agree, however, that the K&N on the Weber 2bbl conversion is a
>bit loud - or perhaps the Land Rover is under-soundproofed.	  [ truncated by me again (was a bunch of more **)]

>        Jim Allen

Instruction manuals!  Missing 1.68 horsepower!!  Sound Proofing!!! 

Jim, I drive a Land Rover.   What do you drive?

Garret Scott

By the way, is that SAE or DIN horsepower?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:40:40 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: LR/Ferguson

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> Adrian,
> I enjoyed your LR/Ferguson historical account.  Once I was told that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> remember hearing Triumphs referred to as tractors, in an admiring
> sense, of course.  Any truth to this?  Mark

Thanks Mark! Regarding triumphs I doubt it was a TR series, but as the
Ferguson had Perkins motor, it could be that perkins were also used in
the Triumph Herald? My first car was a herald, though I cannotr remember
what was under the bonnet (except that the bonnet opened the "wrong way"
so that if you had loose bonnet clips and braked hard, the bonnet flew
open, blocked your view, and scraped the grille on the tarmac. I am not
even sure that the Fergie IS a perkins, but I have heard it said so many
times, that I have come to believe it, the rumour as they say is as old
as my ferguson! But there could be some truth to these rumours, Niether
Triumpth or Ferguson were BIG manufacturers, with their own engine
plants (at least in the 50's and early 60's) so both may have bought
engines elsewhere, and by nationaltiy, period, and reputation the
Perkins would have been a good candidate. Perkins were also big in
boats.

As for putting a TR7 motor in a ferguson 31, I'd love to see the result!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
---------------------------------------------------
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com
---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:56:39 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: More Important Land Rover Content

>Pick-up Lines

Well, actually you all know I bought the Rover as a babe-magnet, so lines
aren't really a thing with me.  And being terminally shy in such
situations, and also vehemently "anti-line", I only know of one--it was
suggested to me by my cousin Tim.

This past summer, a woman rather snottily accused me of using a "line" on
her--I'd literally asked her to tell me about herself.  Remembering Tim's
only line, I quickly told her that asking her to tell me about herself
wasn't a pick-up line unless the defnition of such was "icebreaker", and
that I really didn't have any pre-rehearsed lines except for one that I
hold in reserve.  (In all honesty, I didn't want to pick this girl up, I
was talking with her to be polite because she had come in with a friend of
mine.)  Anyhow she of course demanded to hear my line.

"So, do you think we'll go metric?"  She proceeded to tell me that this was
the stupidest pick-up line she's ever heard.  Furthermore, there was no way
that we'd ever go metric.  However, her attitude had become amused and
pleasant, and we proceeded to talk to me for the rest of the evening...

After the British Invasion Tow-a-thon, Spenny, Zippy and I hit Burlington
VT to hang with Zip's brother and hit some college-town bars.  Hearing my
story, Spenny tried the same line on a young lady at a bar.  I'll let him
report as to it's delivery and effectiveness...

And, although I can't remember through the haze caused by shots that Zippy
forced upon us, (not to mention the delirium of an oncoming virus which hit
me the next day) I think I may have tossed the metric line at Eric's
ex--"The Blonde"--last Friday night. (Once again, she asked for it!) Zippy,
help me remember what happened...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:01:54 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SPAM, SPAM, SPAM....GLORIOUS SPAM!!!

Neil Sheridan wrote:
> Dear All,
> Personally, I don't mind a single instance of a commercial website's
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 32 lines)]
> Neil Sheridan
> '65 88
Sorry if my adding fuel to the fire on Roverability has offended any
readers "LR-content" expectations - truth is that one of the reasons I
like talking (writing) with you guys is that we seem to share much
besides our choice of vehicle - humour, being the paramount. I also have
much enjoyed sharing a common interest in machines which probably should
be chatted about in the
"alt.thingswellbuiltandlastforever.stillgoingstrong" pages, but they do
not appear to have a DNS entry, and I thought I already had found a
perfect forum for the airing and sharing of these oft romatic views -
sorry if I've wasted anyones time or harddisk space - lets agree then
that we will confine ourselves to Land Rovers (period) - then no one
will be offended!

sorry!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
---------------------------------------------------
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com
---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:06:00 -500
Subject: LR PickUps

LROwners,
What sorts of pick up lines would a LR generate?

"Hey, can you give me a push, a torch, a rag for the oil, etc...
                          I seem to have a problem with my ..."

The possibilities are endless.  Mark

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:14:38 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Lightweight

>Istruction manuals!  Missing 1.68 horsepower!!  Sound Proofing!!!
>Jim, I drive a Land Rover.   What do you drive?
>By the way, is that SAE or DIN horsepower?

>Garret Scott

         Hey what's wrong with reading the manual and following the
instructions? If you don't, you haven't earned many grousing points! Also,
what's wrong with an extra 2.5 hp? Come to think of it, what's wrong with
soundproofing? My ears are still ringing from 18+ years of driving Series
rigs.
        As to what I drive, until recently, a '69 IIA with 7,500 original
miles. Prior, a '72 SII and before that another '69 IIA bought about 1978
with 47K and sold 11 years later with 239K. You don't want to know what I
drive currently!
        The dyno hp, was SAE net, by the way, on a Dynojet 248E chassis dyno.
        Anything else?

        Jim Allen

------------------------------

From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:26:34 -0500
Subject: towing

I Would like to tow a 97 D90 behind a camper. Does anyone know how this is
accomplished without burning out the seals in the tranny.

I have heard of pumps for the tranny.

Thanks:

Doug Adam

 Simple, just put the transfer box in nuetral, the auto box will not be
turned by the prop shafts. The transfer box is separately lubricated by a
splash system. If you are really keen you could take off the drive flanges
and save the drag from the differentials ( cheap free wheel hubs ) or take
off the drive shafts.

 regards  Bill Leacock
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:30:35 -0500
From: Garret Scott <scottgs@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Snow chains

Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:38:06 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Snow chains

>>Put the chains on the front where you have all the weight.  Dave VE4PN

>Disagree stongly! Your weighted tires already have better traction than the
>unweighted rears. The unweighted tires need the bite - if for nothing else
>to keep you from spinning out. Especially going downhill. Uphill, your rear
>tires get the weight transfer and the chains can be an aid there. If in
>doubt, chain up all around.

>        Jim Allen

DON'T PUT TIRE CHAINS ON THE FRONT ONLY  

It's far more than just a matter of traction, but a matter of safety. 
The first time I put chains on my S III 88, I put them on the front only.  After traveling less 
than 1 mile on slick ice, I quickly provided much comic relief to several police officers as my 
Land Rover did one complete spin, and then in the midst of the second revolution was abruptly 
stopped after impacting backwards into the officers squad car.   They had been blocking off a 
dangerous road to prevent idiots like me (past tense here) from trying thier 4x4s on it.  

I wasn't very amused.  Neither were the owners of the other vehicle. (the officers themselves 
laughed hysterically, they were not in thier car).  Fortunatly no one was (physically) hurt. 

Put them on the Back first, then put ANOTHER set on the front.

The front/rear weight distribution in a Land Rover is not that far from being even anyway, unlike 
most pickup trucks.  Especially if it has a hard top, a short wheelbase, or several hundred pounds 
of spare parts lying in back.

Dang, I hate it when I agree with Jim Allen.

Garret Scott
Air Portable "Nigel"

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:41:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Snow chains

> DON'T PUT TIRE CHAINS ON THE FRONT ONLY  

snip
Generally true, and always true for on-road travel. But off-road, chains on 
the front are usually the best if you have only one set. If you're 
hitting a small area of bad traction, your momentem can often cary 
you far enough for your chained front wheels to pull you the rest of 
the way out.
This is another example of on-road and off-road driving techniqes 
differing and inexperince getting you into trouble.
When I used to drive between NYC and VT in near blizzard conditions I often 
saw more 4WD's in the ditches than anything else.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: 23 Jan 1997 15:17:42 U
From: "Philip McMaster" <pmcmaster@spaceport.ca>
Subject: STOP IT! STOP PLEASE!

        Reply to:   STOP IT! STOP PLEASE!
from: pmcmaster@spaceport.ca

STOP IT! STOP PLEASE!

I AM TRYING TO GET OFF THIS LIST

MAJORDOMO IS NOT LISTENING....

PLEASE REMOVE   pmcmaster@f-pro.ca  and or   pmcmaster@spaceport.ca

from Land Rover and Range Rover List or the office server manager here will have
me fired for plugging up the system!

Thanks...
P.McMaster
pmcmaster@spaceport.ca
'69 IIA 109
'76 RR

--------------------------------------
Date: 1/23/97 2:58 PM
From: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.su

------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------
>From playground.sun.com!LRO-Owner  Thu Jan 23 14:22:28 1997
	by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18070
	for <pmcmaster@spaceport.ca>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:22:28 -0600 (CST)
mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id MAA05163; Thu, 23 Jan 1997
12:18:12 -0800
	id MAA19133; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:12:41 -0800
-0800
From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:17:45 -0500 (EST)
X-To: lro@playground.sun.com
Subject: How 'bout the old ones?
X-edited-by: LRO-Lite
Message-ID: <bulk.19131.19970123121241@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:29:02 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: STOP IT! STOP PLEASE!

Philip McMaster wrote:
>         Reply to:   STOP IT! STOP PLEASE!
> from: pmcmaster@spaceport.ca
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)]
> Subject: How 'bout the old ones?
> X-edited-by: LRO-Lite
> Message-ID: <bulk.19131.19970123121241@Land-Rover.Team.Net>

write to Bill Callocia at MajorDomoOwner@Playground.sun.com and ask him
to unsubscribe you if your own unsubscribe commands don't work.

(All you have to do is write to MajorDomo@Playground.sun.com and write
(in the body opf the text) -

unsubscribe <list> <youremailaddress>

for example unsubscribe lro pmcmaster@spaceport.ca

lro means this LandRoverOwner list
uk-lro is the uk list
eu-lro is the euro list
au-lro is the australian list
za-lro is the south african list

unsubscribe these lists if you have subscribed to them. repeat process
for any other e-mail address you may have subscribed from.

If you want to remain subscribed, but can't use your company e-mail
addr. you could get yourself a hotmail address, it's free, it's private,
only you can open your mail, and you can open it from any computer in
the world, downloading only what you think of as interesting, deleting
all else. You can reach hotmail at their webside www.hotmail.com and
read all about it.

Hope this helps, otherwise call Bill, he seems to be able to control the
Major.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
---------------------------------------------------
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com
---------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:44:51 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: History of the J**p

Incase anyones interested tonight on the History Channel:the history of
the jeep.10:00pm eastern.
Sorry for the lack of LR content..

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:14:49 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: History of the J**p

>Incase anyones interested tonight on the History Channel:the history of
>the jeep.10:00pm eastern.
>Sorry for the lack of LR content..

        Sure there's LR content. The LR was inspired by the Jeep and the
protype Land Rover was built upon a Jeep chassis, with a Jeep t/case and
axles. It's relevant!
        I don't get cable. If I beg, will some one tape it for me?
Seriously, I'm doing a book on 4x4 history and have researched this to a
gnat's butt. I'm sure it will be filled with the same history changing
bovine scatology that Chrysler Corp has been putting out but I NEED to see
it. I'll pay for a tape!

        Jim Allen
        (970) 256-9688
        jimallen@onlinecol.com

------------------------------

From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:32:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Lightweight

On 23 Jan 97 at 14:14, Jim Allen wrote:

>          Hey what's wrong with reading the manual and following the
> instructions? If you don't, you haven't earned many grousing points! Also,
> what's wrong with an extra 2.5 hp? Come to think of it, what's wrong with
> soundproofing? My ears are still ringing from 18+ years of driving Series
> rigs.

In my 88 that 2.5 HP would probably be a 10 percent increase.

Enjoying your posts, Jim.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:16:58 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Clutch, O/D, weak links (Real LR content :-)

Iwan Vosloo wrote:
>I talked to a friend
> the other day who said that those half-shafts are actually designed to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> probably runs the risk of damaging all sorts of things very slowly, like
> gearbox, xfer etc...

An oft repeated explaination, and who knows what the "truth" is. It is
conceivable that Rover used half-shafts of questionable strength for
other reasons, and then needed a plausible explaination for upset
owners. The drivetrain "fuse" idea seems to be unknown elsewhere in the
automotive industry. And it's a fuse that has concequenses when it
"blows", such as causing signficant damage to the differential.

Assuming it the story is true, then fitting a stronger axle would not
have any concequences until conditions were encountered which would
"blow the fuse".

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:31:04 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rear wiper motors

WRT Bill Adam's quest for a rear wiper, it's laudable to use the early IIa 
motor, 'cause you got a spare on board if one of the front ones ever fails.  
Hovever, its easier (and cheaper) to use a J.C. Whitless one.  Single hole 
to drill (as opposed to three) and self-parking.  They sell 'em with a 
variety of shaft lengths, but with careful cutting of the outer/inner 
shafts, these can be customized for a perfect fit.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:31:09 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Shipfitter's disease

John Ousterhout gave us an eloquent description of "shipfitter's disease" 
not to be confused with "Nigel's disease."  I did just that - overhauling a 
'56 Dutch built, mahogany-hulled 32' sloop.  Replaced/repaired/overhauled/
rewired/caulked/patched/replaced *everything* except the stern tube for the 
rudder stock.  Guess what's leaking now that it's back in the water. :-(

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

------------------------------

From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:44:49 +0000
Subject:       CLUTCH ACCESS

Iwan
On your LHD, driver side wing, steer your wheel to the extreme left, 
then inside and under the wing remove the mud shield directly below
the master cylinder.

Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 (currently undergoing clutch master cyl. replacement)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:46:40 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

At 04:30 PM 1/22/97 -0700, you wrote:
>        I'd have thought the idea of a major magazine devoting resources
>Land Rover Owners would be an exciting deal. It is to me! Four Wheeler

It is -- or will be once it gets going.

>        Is it "commercial" of me, as Mr. Kenner said, to announce such
>things here? To a certain degree, sure. I make my living doing stuff like

An announcement is welcome; repeated announcements are unnecessary and
annoying.  Once it's mentioned, it will end up linked to from other LR
pages, and newbies will find it that way (and through Altavista, et al.)

>        Besides, I did warn that I would run it again and nobody said a
>word 'till it ran again.

I doubt anyone paid anymore attention to the majority of the message than I
did.  I just clicked on the link bookmarked it, and deleted the message.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:18:18 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Shipfitter's disease

NO NO NO, Not another non-rover thread. Boats? Mahogany sloops, "Nigel's 
disease indeed? What's this got to do with Rovers? Boats have absolutely 
nothing to do with Land Rovers. 
Harrumph!!
John Ousterhout
'64 109 (w/Mercruiser/Rover marine diesel engine out of a 24 foot 
Reinell)(It also has rope cleats on the back, which are better than the 
stock grab handles)(and the Rover logo is a Viking ship)

>John Ousterhout gave us an eloquent description of "shipfitter's disease" 
>not to be confused with "Nigel's disease."  I did just that - overhauling a 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>rewired/caulked/patched/replaced *everything* except the stern tube for the 
>rudder stock.  Guess what's leaking now that it's back in the water. :-(

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:31:30 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Celebrity RRover

 January '97 issue of the Atlantic British 'RoverLog' features a celebrity
 '92 Range Rover on the cover.  It was used in the French production of
 "The Jungle Book".  It's owner says, "I bought it from a dealer in Memphis
 in 1992.  Just wanted to show you.  I love this vehicle!" -/s/ Johnny Cash

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:56:46 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Celebrity RRover

>  January '97 issue of the Atlantic British 'RoverLog' features a celebrity
>  '92 Range Rover on the cover.  It was used in the French production of
>  "The Jungle Book".  It's owner says, "I bought it from a dealer in Memphis
>  in 1992.  Just wanted to show you.  I love this vehicle!" -/s/ Johnny Cash

SO...........
And the point is?
Actually, why am I wastingj my time on this?

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:15:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Blatant Commercialism-SIII heater core goes for $950!!! Insane,

>I'm also selling a pair of Warn Hubs (You either want them or don't.
>Please, NO threads on why)

...but it's so tempting.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

------------------------------

Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
From: cplummer@juno.com (Calvin J. Plummer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:31:04 EST

unsubscribe lro-digest

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:37:34 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Undeliverable messages

>> Why do we keep getting these humungous bounce messages from
>> Administrator_at_DTT.NZ.WELLINGTON@ccmailg2.deloitte.co.nz ?????

Basically someone at this address subscribed to the digest and now their
mail doesn't work for some reason (no longer an account?) which means
messages from the list get bounced back to the list -  and then to us.

Perhaps Bill would be so kind as to remove the offender from the list??
(Also the other chap who can't seem to unsubscribe (how hard can it be?)
before he tears his hair out)

Rover content: There seems to be quite a range of mileages being quoted
here, from 8mpg to 18mpg. I assume all these are US gallons? Anyone know the
conversion US Gall -> L?
Can't seem to find it anywhere (and can't be bothered looking too hard).

Petrol in Western Australia costs between 50-60c/L (US cents (using .7 as a
conversion which is optimistic)) in the city to 70c/L in the country
('outback'), and I get about 20L/100km which is a bit under 15
miles/imperial gall. I think.  (All these conversions are hurting my brain).

Cheers.  Tony.
'85 110 V8

*********************************************************************

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

**********************************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 18:36:59 -0800 (PST)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)
Subject: 2nd cars and tractors

The problem with LR's is that one becomes very attached to them, in a very
addict-like manner.  My poor Ms Daisy has been down with a very sick engine
for the past three weeks.  Heck, she sits in the garage, and my M*zda PU,
which never breaks down (93 K so far) sits out in the rain and snow.  The
wife drives a Saturn.  Great car, but absolutely no personality at all.  The
PU is also a great car, a real workhorse, and I respect the engineering that
went into it. But it's not like the SIII, eh?  

So what to do?  Well, after a horrendous winter here in the Pacific
Northwest, I almost have my wife convinced to get a used Range Rover.  She
now swears by four wheel drive. In fact, wants the two kids to only by
4x4's.  So soon, it'll be goodbye Saturn (with your great mileage and
wonderful service), you're just too light for icy roads.  The Mazda is a
workhorse and won't disappear. But this family will soon by 66% Landy.

Now as far as tractors are concerned, John Deeres are great, as are
Massey-Ferguson's.  The last Oliver I drove (in the mid-60's) had a 12 speed
tranny, wow!.  Case and Ford, small and dependable. But for me, I'll always
like Minneapolis Molines.  Guess where I was raised?

BTW, the new Turner came today and should be installed by Sunday P.M.
Whoopie!, ugh, sorry Maz.
-----
Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy - 1973 SIII 88" Land Rover (#25902747 B) 
     "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 18:41:44 -0800 (PST)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)
Subject: JohnO's coffee grinders

Are you thinking of Sweda's.  That's the name isn't it?? I faintly remember
them 'cuz as a young kid in high school I worked at a business machine
store, and had to carry two of them up three flights of stairs at a time.  

Let me think. They had dark green cases, and light green, round buttons.
The latest ones were electric and they sounded like a sewing machine on
drugs.  The earlier ones had a hand crank on the right side of the case...
-----
Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy - 1973 SIII 88" Land Rover (#25902747 B) 
     "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 18:51:02 -0800 (PST)
From: davery@on-ramp.ior.com (Dale W. Avery)
Subject: Granny - tractor parts

Granny,

I have a good friend (actually I may have several) by the name of Al
Wichman.  He's a highschool teacher back in Wisconsin.  One of his hobbies
is rebuilding John Deere tractors.  He's mentioned that tractor addicts like
him do have nets similar to this one.  Give him a try and say hello for me.
His address is:  
 alwichm@mail.cli.fullfeed.com

let me know if he could help.

Dale
-----
Dale W. Avery KC7MM & Ms Daisy - 1973 SIII 88" Land Rover (#25902747 B) 
     "No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:30:37 -0800
From: jouster@redm.primextech.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: liters/gallons&miles/km

Some conversion factors:
1 US gallon = 3.785 liters = 0.833 IMP gallon
0.2642 USgallons = 1 liter

1 IMPgallon = 4.546 liters = 1.201 US gallon
0.220 IMPgallon = 1 liter

1 mile = 1.61 km
0.62 mile = 1 km

1 USmpg = 0.426 km/l
2.347 USmpg = 1 km/l

Airspeed of 1 unladen African swallow = 0.8625 airspeed of 1 unladen 
European swallow (est).

------------------------------

From: MOKE67@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:42:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:New web site

Jim...I don't have any problems with the way you informed us of the new web
site. If i get to topic I don't want to read I just pass it over. My
experiance with American 4x4 mags is the good ol boys with their house plant
mentality. Looking forward to the new web site...

Rich Range (as in Range Rover)............

------------------------------

From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Jack Walter)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:12:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

I'll put in my two cents worth to this debate as well as a list of what
currently lives in my diveway.. Ive felt that the complete automotive
spectrum can be covered with two primary brands of mechanized
transport; of course we're talking Land Rovers and Porsches (although
an argument can be made for supplementing this short list with 2CV's
and BMW 2002's)... Daily transportation chores are handled by the Range
Rover until the SIIA 88 restoration is completed with the diesel 109 SW
handling backup duties and weekend trips to the building supply store
as well as serious off road expeditions. For quick runs to the twisty
roads in north Georgia the '56 Porsche 356 sunroof coupe works very
well and for real excitement the '56 Porsche Carrera can be fired up
(with the "Sebring " racing exhaust system street exposure times must
be severely limited to avoid unpleasant roadside chats with the
authorities!)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:33:15 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject:  Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

First vehicle is 1969 Dodge Dart Custom Slant Six, 208K miles, Sunday best,
just breaking it in.

Daily business car is 1969 IIA Land Rover SWB, 40K on the clock, used for
archaeological fieldwork, seats six fully armed.

1988 Subaru Justy bought especially for teenage daughter, supports local
mechanic's more expensive habits.

Lada Niva is our 1988 daily driver in Icelnd. Plastic cover just blew away;
it was last seen headed for Scotland on the heels of a full gale.

Ned Heite

------------------------------

From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 23:54:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fwd: Land Rover North America Moves to New Headquarters

Saw this today:

<<  LANHAM, Md., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire/ -- On Monday, January 27, 1997, Land
 Rover North America will begin operating out of the company's new 60,000
 square foot headquarters building.  Located adjacent to a one-third mile
 purpose-built off-pavement demonstration course that was completed in July
 1996, the facility will house 175 employees on two floors.  The building
will
 be dedicated in official ceremonies in late April.
           "This new building was designed and built to reflect the marque
values of
 our product," said Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America,
 Inc. "The move to a new, more efficient facility will rededicate our
employees
 to the task of providing the best possible retail and customer support
 services in the industry."
           Constructed in the image of a Land Rover Centre, the building's
two-story
 lobby features large windows, a wooden ceiling with recessed lighting
alcoves,
 a tile floor with inlaid compass rose and an enclosed hand-crafted masonry
 elevator shaft.  A company Gear Store will approximate the Centres' Gear
areas
 and display the growing range of clothing and personal accessories that are
 popular highlights in Centres.
           Land Rover North America will be closed on Friday, January 24, to
 facilitate the move; however, service for Owner Care phone lines and Land
 Rover's 24-hour Road Recovery(SM) program will be uninterrupted.
           The faculty of Land Rover University awaits the construction of a
15,000
 square foot LRU campus, which is expected to break ground this spring.
 LRU's
 new facility will be accompanied by a 22-acre dedicated off-road training
 site.
           In total, the new headquarters properties represent an investment
of more
 than $10 million.
           Land Rover North America, Inc., is a member of the Rover Group of
 Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England.
 The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG.
           For information about the dealer nearest you, contact Land Rover
North
 America at 1-800-FINE-4WD or http://www.LandRover.com. >>

---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:	AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net
Date: 97-01-23 17:11:14 EST

    LANHAM, Md., Jan. 23 /PRNewswire/ -- On Monday, January 27, 1997, Land
Rover North America will begin operating out of the company's new 60,000
square foot headquarters building.  Located adjacent to a one-third mile
purpose-built off-pavement demonstration course that was completed in July
1996, the facility will house 175 employees on two floors.  The building will
be dedicated in official ceremonies in late April.
          "This new building was designed and built to reflect the marque
values of
our product," said Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America,
Inc. "The move to a new, more efficient facility will rededicate our
employees
to the task of providing the best possible retail and customer support
services in the industry."
          Constructed in the image of a Land Rover Centre, the building's
two-story
lobby features large windows, a wooden ceiling with recessed lighting
alcoves,
a tile floor with inlaid compass rose and an enclosed hand-crafted masonry
elevator shaft.  A company Gear Store will approximate the Centres' Gear
areas
and display the growing range of clothing and personal accessories that are
popular highlights in Centres.
          Land Rover North America will be closed on Friday, January 24, to
facilitate the move; however, service for Owner Care phone lines and Land
Rover's 24-hour Road Recovery(SM) program will be uninterrupted.
          The faculty of Land Rover University awaits the construction of a
15,000
square foot LRU campus, which is expected to break ground this spring.  LRU's
new facility will be accompanied by a 22-acre dedicated off-road training
site.
          In total, the new headquarters properties represent an investment
of more
than $10 million.
          Land Rover North America, Inc., is a member of the Rover Group of
Companies, importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England.
The Rover Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG.
          For information about the dealer nearest you, contact Land Rover
North
America at 1-800-FINE-4WD or http://www.LandRover.com.
      CO:  Land Rover North America
      ST:  Maryland
      IN:  AUT
      SU:

To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. 
For all of today's news, go to keyword News.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:25:19 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: How 'bout the old ones?

><<Well,  when my 95 D90SW (Blue) is in for service,  I guess my back up would
>be my wife's 95 D90SW (Green).  Life Is Great.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>PHX  AZ
>"Presidend of nothing... just ask my wife!"
Gerry,
      Ashamed of a series?  Never!  They're getting some re-working done at
the moment, and will soon be road worthy.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 23:40:15 UT
From: "DAVID MOORE" <DMOOR2E@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

You're right, the stick is a good idea. Mooreon brakes....

----------
From: 	Adams, Bill
Sent: 	Thursday, January 23, 1997 9:00 AM
Subject: 	RE: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

Did I fail to mention the absence of the "requisite assistant" ?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:35:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Jump seats for sale

I have two standard jump seats for sale. In very nice shape. The two person
bench style w/ black vinyl. From a 1969 IIa, but should fit any series
vehicle 1958-80.

Make offer for one or both.

Thanks!
Alex Maiolo
69IIa
89 Rangie

------------------------------

From: MOKE67@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:20:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles

I sold my RHD ser IIA and still grieve for her. But I bought a Range Rover to
replace it.The wife drives an I*s*zu Pooper. 170K and still going..For the
summer I have my 67 Austin Moke RHD.

Rich Range (as in Range Rover)

------------------------------

From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:20:26 +0000
Subject: Re: Celebrity Owners

On 23 Jan 97, David Cockey wrote:

> >  January '97 issue of the Atlantic British 'RoverLog' features a
> >  celebrity '92 Range Rover on the cover....

> SO...........
> And the point is?
> Actually, why am I wastingj my time on this?
For David, and other new list members, I maintain a list of celebrity 
'Rover owners.  The list is available at 
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/celebs.html for those who wish to 
peruse it.

If anyone can confirm an entry (or can tell me if someone can be 
moved to the Historical part of list), please get in touch.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: liters/gallons&miles/km
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 8:41:56 GMT

> Some conversion factors:
> 1 US gallon = 3.785 liters = 0.833 IMP gallon
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> 2.347 USmpg = 1 km/l
> Airspeed of 1 unladen African swallow = 0.8625 airspeed of 1 unladen 
> European swallow (est).

What if two swalllows are carrying a coconut tied between them?

Does it make any difference if the coconut is from the British or American
Empires?
 

Richard ("Run away! Run away!")

------------------------------

From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 04:21:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [Pansy Resurgens]

My s3 is back on (and off) the road after fourteen months. What is it they
say about cobbler's children? I put lots of Dynamat on the bulkhead, and
strips of it on the floor pieces. tres quiet!! well, relative to how it was
before, as best as memory serves. I used the diesel crank and double groove
pulley, and had it all balanced within two grams. Crank, pulley and flywheel
to 6000rpm. Smooooth, except at idle (leaky zenith). A one barrel weber is
next. Ignition is Lucas 25D4 with pertronix ignitor, and a Bosch blue coil.
Timing is by ear, but I'll put a light on it this weekend. Any suggestions as
to spark plugs? I generally use ABCs; anything but champions. Used to use
KLGs, but can't get 'em this side of the pond anymore. Probably doesn't
matter. Anybody got any Bosch, Nipondenso or NGK numbers? and what about the
electronic ignition? I regapped the plugs in there now to .035" after I
pitched the points, but I'm still searching for the just right combination.
Special thanks to Erik Van Dyck for getting Pansy's birth cert from John
Riley. That one page lists four local LRs, all but one still running
(25902656b smashe into a Ford Dually, almost head on, in '95, awaiting
rebuild)
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
86 Volvo 740 wagon gas, automatic, Betty Jo's regular ride
85 Volvo 740 wagon diesel, stick, I work it like a truck
73 Volkswagen Bug "Daisy" restored it in 84, wore it out again, in same state
as old 502
69 Volkswagen Bug "Patches" Well rusted repository of about $500 worth of new
stuff, what can I say, I'm a sucker for a $125 VW
76 Motobecane Mirage Mixte and, last resort,
54 set of legs, with high flotation feet (12-13) and custom new (96) Left ACL
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!! 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:09:09 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan)
Subject: Re: More Important Land Rover Content

Bobeck, David R. wrote:
> Well, with all of the attention given lately to the side interests of
> LRO's, ie. PC's, Camera's, tractors, etc, I've decided to list a few things
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> Thanks!
> DaveB.

How about this one!!!

***Taiwanese Tycoon***
The beautiful secretary of the president of Chase Manhattan Bank goes to
a sight-seeing tour with a very rich Taiwanese client.  The client out
of the blue asks her to marry him.
     
Naturally, the secretary is quite taken aback. However, she remembers
what her boss told her.  Don't reject the guy outright. So, she tries to
think of a way to dissuade the businessman from wanting to marry her.

So, after a few minutes, the woman says to the man, "I will only marry
you under three conditions. First, I want an engagement ring to be a 75
carat diamond ring, with a matching 200 carat diamond tiara."
     
The Taiwanese man pauses for awhile. Then, he nods his head and says
"No problem!! I buy.  I buy."
   
Realizing that her first condition was too easy, the woman says to the
man, "I want you to build me a 100 room mansion in New York. As a
vacation home, I want a chateau built in the middle of the best wine
country in France."
   
The man pauses for awhile. He whips out his cellular phone, calls some
brokers in New York, then he calls some brokers in France.  
He looks at the woman, nods his head and says, "Okay, okay.  I build, I
build."
    
Realizing that she has one last condition, the secretary knows that
she'd better make this a good one. She takes her time to think and
finally, she gets an idea.  A sure-to-work condition. She squints her
eyes, looks at the man and says, rather coldly, "Since I like sex, I
want the man I marry to have a 12-inch penis."
    
The man seems a bit disturbed. He cups his face with his hands and rests
his elbows on the table. All the while, he's muttering something in
Chinese.

Finally, after what seemed like forever, the man shakes his head,
looking real sad, says to the woman, "Okay, okay. I cut. I cut."

Cheers....Stan!

------------------------------

From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:37:32 +0000
Subject:       Mitsubishi parts

Just replaced my SIII 88 clutch master cylinder with a mitsubishi
part for the montero.  I had to use the original girling rod, because
the mitsubishi fujiura rod was not the correct lenght.  So far so 
good, and the clutch requires only half the effort.  And I now use
DOT3.  So I just loss 1% of the originality, but LR parts are 3 days
away plus expensive COD rates.

Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 SW

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 07:08:24 -0800
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: LR/Ferguson (Triumph connect. no LR content)

> Thanks Mark! Regarding triumphs I doubt it was a TR series, but as the
> Ferguson had Perkins motor, it could be that perkins were also used in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> times, that I have come to believe it, the rumour as they say is as old
> as my ferguson!

I've understood for years that the TR2 through TR4 4 cyl. engines were
originally tractor engines, presumably Ferguson. I even recall reading
it several times, although it was years ago. These engines are a wet
sleeve design. The smaller 4 cyl. used in Heralds, Spitfires, etc. was
entirely different, and more related to the 6 cyl. Somewhat like the
various LR engines, with the 6 cyl. related to the 2L 4 cyl. but
unrelated to the 2.25L 4 cyl. (So some LR content after all)

Regards,
David Cockey

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:01:34 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Second vehicles/military bits

When i got my Lightweight, the idea was to keep our VW Scirroco for
speed/comfort/long journeys. After two months of fights with my missus,
Mozza, (No, she kept nicking the LW and leaving me the VW) we came to a
compromise and she got a tintop Tdi Defender from Brooklyns.
  On another topic, anybody in UK got one of those round bridge
classification plates fitted on military LR grills? Also want guraded
infrared light switch assembly to put LW back in mil form. I'm in Crawley,
will pay Plus deliv costs
Cheers
Mike Gaines.

------------------------------

From: WAHORN@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 06:30:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Other car

I probably have the most fun "other car" next to my 109". A 1989 Honda CRX
with ported, polished and shaved head. Cam, overbored throttlebody, headers,
large exhaust and lightened flywheel. Oh yea and Nitrous too. Yes it is fast,
very.

Ashley Horn

------------------------------

From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:48:16 +0000
Subject: Pain

What a great week!!!

Not only did i have to see the dentist this week (root canal), but 
someone also tried to steal my LR. When i was about to open the door 
and get in i saw the ignition lock looking like it was exploded. I 
took a walk around the car and fortunately the padlocks on the bonnet 
and filler cap were still on. 

They came in through the back. Stripping the lock lining on the 
window rubber they pushed one of the small windows in and unlocked 
the door from within. If only they knew that the lock can be operated 
with a finger nail.

The whole car was a mess. Everything was tossed around in a quick 
search for valuables. A mustard plastic bottle i use to lube the 
hubs with was leaking on my spare brake pads. Great.

Then i checked the front. The wire/fuse panel was torn apart and 
hanging in the wires. The ignition lock smashed up for good. If they 
had taken time to remove the wheel and dash board they could have 
shorted the ignition/starter but that would be pointless since they 
were not able to disable the steering lock. HA!. They even used my 
own tools on the ignition lock. My two-pounder and a square tube 
cheater bar.

Since they couldn't get the car they decided to take my tool box 
containing the majority of my tool collection. Bummer.

I just got a quote on a new ignition/steering lock assy. Not cheap.

Selling a stolen LR or numbered parts thereof is quite difficult here 
with Landy owners being so well organised. My theory is that the car 
should have been sent to eastern Europe (not so probable given the 
looks of it) or that they needed a suitable vehicle for a 
ram-robbery. This type of crime is getting increasingly popular here.
Some time ago a community police station (unmanned at night) was 
rammed by a stolen Rangy. Car was unharmed except for a few 
scratches and a bent bumper/grille, - the station was a mess.

rgds
sv/aurens

------------------------------

  END OF LAND ROVER OWNER DIGEST 
 Input:  messages 83 lines 5997 [forwarded 294 whitespace 765]
 Output: lines 2436 [content 1499  forwarded 148 (cut  146) whitespace 703]

Back	Forward
Photos & text Copyright 1990-2011 Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved. Digest Messages Copyright 1990-2011 by the original poster or/and Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved.