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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:58:17 +0000
From: "D.M.Phillips" <D.M.Phillips@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Literary L/R's

At the beginning of Dean Koontz's book 'Night Chills' Some guy drives a
Land-Rover into a wall at high speed, killing himself (he'd been
brainwashed to do so).....this always struck me as kinda strange,
landy's don't go at high speed (at least not that high!) and it would've
had to have been one hell of a wall!!
-- 
--------------------------------------------
Duncan Phillips
Senior Technician/Network Supervisor
School of Computing (Stoke site)
Staffordshire University
UK

http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
--------------------------------------------
"It can't rain all the time............"

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:03:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Heater

>Recently bought an early ('65) Series IIA 5-door 109 which didn't have a
>heater installed.  What are the options and costs?

Rovers North's Mansfield heater is an excellent fit and a real little 
furnace.  It has kept the interior of my leaky rag-top toasty well below 
zero.  

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:06:54 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Literary L/R's

in, A Winters Tale, by Ann Cleeves, a little green land rover is mentioned
several times where on a desolate english farm where a murder takes place and
the later arrival of the police land rover

...If you want constant references to Land Rovers,try "Uhura" by
   Nicholas Luard.Its full of 'em.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:52:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Johnson  Mike <johnsonm@borg.com>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 08:10:36 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: brake check tip

Howdy,

>Have a tip some of you may not know on checking where the problem is on 
>weak brakes.
> ....snip....
>. Take off the hose from m. cylinder to the brakes and screw in a bolt with 
>the same thread count. Make sure it is tight and leakproof.

Careful here, kids, if you tighten it too much you will crush the flare 
mating surface inside the port on the mAster Cylinder. Then it will NEVER 
seal.
Otherwise not a bad idea.

DaveB

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:23:53 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: camera (was:                            )

Sorry server barfed my e-mail.
I have the SI of Pentax,  the Spotmatic circa 1965.  What a great
camera,  auto-nothing.  After I learned to use it I went to a Nikon F
which I still use today.

                                    Mike Johnson
                                74 SIII 88 (Chester)
                                73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
                           http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 08:53:04 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)

>Silicone brake fluid may be incompatible with hydraulic pressure accuated 
>brake light switches as used 'till '68. ...snip...
>Several brake light switches failed in succession after switching to 
>silicone fluid. ...snip... Erosion of the contacts can result ....

Sounds plausible, ya...reminiscent of the article in the OVLR newsletter 
'bout not using silicone to seal distributors, light covers, spade 
terminals etc. The ammonia (?) gasses put off by the silicone cause 
corrosion of the copper. Or something. Yeah. That's the ticket, yeah. It 
the corrosion, or whatever, or something. 
Lovely Day...
DaveB.
 

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: BSROA/RN Winter Course
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:01:52 -0500

Itinerary is on hand for 2/1-2/2 weekend.

I will post same this week.

Confirmed attendees needing information can post me direct or leave message on Club line.

Convoy will depart LR Metro West around 2PM on Friday, 1/31.

Cheers
Jim

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Friendly Fire!
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:09:19 -0500

BSROA members:

A friendly reminder so as to spare Chris Browne some phone money:

Many are coming due for renewal.

Please continue to support the Club. We have great plans for 1997 and beyond.

Two newsletters will be in the mail within one week.

And they will be "ON TIME" for 1997!

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 09:03:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Series IIA Heater

>Rovers North's Mansfield heater is an excellent fit and a real little 
>furnace.  It has kept the interior of my leaky rag-top toasty well below 
>zero.  

Also costs somewhere around a bazillion (1100) dollars...probably better 
off sourcing a decent used Kodiak.

DaveB.

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Subject: Re: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:05:00 -0500

David Cockey writes "Silicone brake fluid may be incompatible with
hydraulic pressure actuated brake light switches as used 'till '68."

Miss Golightly (1962) has silicone in her veins since 1995 and the brake
light switch is still working. (It will probably fail tomorrow!!)

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 9:28:59 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Moron brakes, er ..more on brakes...

OK, so I've been pestering everyone about the inability of your author to 
get the air out of his 109 brakes.
At last epiphany! Just as I was about to hook up the compressor to the 
reservoir for the umpteenth time, I lit upon a new scheme.
This involves the use of a carefully measured stick of wood. In this case 
a chunk about 24 inches or so that I eyeballed and lopped off with my 
handy-dandy Makita mini circular saw ( a dream tool for all you wood 
butchers out there).
This is for holding the pedal in the depressed position while the 
erstwhile home mechanic crawls belly first under the beast and opens the 
offending bleed screw (left-rear first, etc....). By pumping the pedal up 
to maximum pressure and locking it in place with the aforementioned stick 
between the pedal and the seatbox, I was able to get a pretty good squirt 
of brake juice when the bleeder opened and as a result I found the 
long-standing blob of air that has vexed me lo these many weeks.
So in truth, all along I needed nothing more than this little piece of 
Mother Nature to restore the vitality and pleasurable stiffness to the 
middle pedal. To those who are still elevating, pressurizing, pumping, 
and whatever else, please try this method first. It may save endless 
hours of exercises that will yield little.

Oh, and another thing, when troubleshooting electrical problems, alway 
check wiring for good contact and ground first ! Stupid, stupid 
stupid....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:32:56 +0200
From: Marko Ylikorpi <marko.ylikorpi@ltk.hut.fi>
Subject: No OD

Hello,

In December I asked for comments if I should or shouldn't buy an OD to my
SIIa petrol.  I got a lot of good advice, most of them saying, yes, go
ahead, buy the overdrive, it does make a difference.  So I didn't buy one!

Instead I bought the high-speed transfercase kit from Automatic Conversions
(Thanks to John Ousterhout). The kit has just arrived and is in a box in my
garage.  Before I do anything I would like to get advice, tips, comments,
etc. if there is something I should know before doing the job.  As I'm
taking the transfercase out, is there anything else I should replace.  How
about the bearings, should I buy new ones or just put the old ones back in.

Franz Parzefall, thanks for the fax number!

Cheers,

Marko Ylikorpi
Lahti, Finland

-61 SIIa 88 petrol

PS.
Today I went to visit a company we do business with in my LR and a colleague
of mine came along.  The trip was only about 25 km, but my colleague told me
it was the oldest car he had ever travelled in.  The good thing is, that he
is going to talk to my boss about raising my salary so that I could afford a
new car.  So there's another good reason to have a series Land Rover.

Marko

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 9:36:57 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Wish List...

I was thinking that a rear window wiper would be a real treat. Anybody 
who has a early-mid sixties vintage 2A wiper motor in their box of spares 
who wants to see it go to a good home, give me a holler.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:46:54 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)

>reminiscent of the article in the OVLR newsletter 'bout not using silicone
to seal distributors, light covers, spade terminals etc. The ammonia (?)
gasses put off by >the silicone cause corrosion of the copper. Or
something. Yeah. That's the ticket, yeah. It the corrosion, or whatever, or
something.
>Lovely Day...
>DaveB.

Weeeeeellllll.......not to be a pedantic tech weenie over the whole
thing....but:

Silicone grease is great - no doubt about it. The original GE Silicione I
RTV and its variants , though, had acetic acid in it as an additive to
extend tube life. The residual acetic acid in that stuff is ungood if left
in contact with copper for long periods of time, hence the warning.

There was an electronics-grade of this stuff made when the acetic acid RTV
formula was king - this had another chemical that didn't corrode copper as
a shelf life extender, and didn't bugger wiring.

The new chemistries of RTV designed to the new VOC rules don't seem to have
this problem with copper corrosion, but I can't verify the long-term
effects personally as I've still got tubes of the old electronics-grade
stuff in stock.

                    aj"Tech Weenie from Hell"r

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:49:23 -500
Subject: Kodiak Heater 

Describe a Kodiak heater.  I think I saw one, but am not sure.  It 
was a rectangular metal box, mounted on the near offside(US)
bulkhead, a manual bailer on the bottom, a couple of hoses topside, 
no ID plate in sight.  I am told it provides good heat.  Mark

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:02:01 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Wish List...

I was thinking that a rear window wiper would be a real treat. Anybody
>who has a early-mid sixties vintage 2A wiper motor in their box of spares
>who wants to see it go to a good home, give me a holler.
Bill,if the one you're talking about is the one I *think* you're
talking about,how are you going to work it..er..its got the switch
*on* the motor..or have you just got long arms?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:01:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Wish List...

Bill, personal suggestion:

Go snag one off an Escort or some similar parts donor. This way, you can
have self-parking and all the other joys that an early Series II
motor won't give you. Dunno if your LR has them, but they have to be
manually engaged and disengaged, and starting them with the blade
engaged is a cruel thing to do to that little armature...

               aj"Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Lucas...."

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:44:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Wish List...

Bill,

Unless you want to stay "stock", why bother?  I've got one from a Subaru
hatchback that will be added in the near future.  Mounts in the "well"
between the outermost and next over vertical stiffners.  Looks like it will
give a full arc with a 14" blade.  BTW, got the washer tank and it will mount
on the lamp cover.

Lots cheaper too!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:11:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> It's like the difference between a walkman and a piano.

	You need both the walkman and the piano.  You should have a Mini
	Cooper S and a Land Rover.  Driving the walkman around is a whole 
	different blast on its own!  :-)

	Rgds,

	Dixon
	'64 109SW
	'68 Austin Cooper 'S

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:23:31 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Wish List...2!

I am looking for the Lucas unit because it is more or less stock, and 
unlike the new kind you can buy at boat shops, it doesn't have a ton of 
chrome on it. I would leave it engaged and simply run a switch forward.
If noone can come up with one, I'll drop the idea, as I should spend 
money elsewhere.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 10:19:36 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[3]: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)

>Weeeeeellllll.......not to be a pedantic tech weenie over the whole 
>thing....but:

No, I wouldn't expect anything less from you, Al...snicker....

Really tho' thanks for clarifying my point since I was talking out my 
rearend as usual...only difference is that now everyone knows...:-)

later
DaveB.

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:36:42 +0100
Subject: Performance cam for 2.25 petrol?

I've got a 5 main bearing 2.25 petrol that needs a new cam. I've heard that
there may be a bit of performance gain from putting in a diesel cam.
Anyone have any comments? The 5 main bearing crank should be able to take the
added strain if there's any increase in power... and what about
fuel consumption?

TK
Member of Norwegian Land Rover Club - NLRK
http://regina.uio.no/nlrk
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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Terje Krogdahl              Multix A/S            Phone   +47 2206 2600
E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lysaker Torg 25       Fax     +47 2206 2626
        support@multix.no   N-1324, Lysaker       Direct  +47 6711 3657

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:35:17 -500
Subject: Yeah Dixon

Dixon, I'm with you.  Realistically, if you run a LR, you need a 
second vehicle.  And the more interesting, the better.  Mark    

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:43:14 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Wish List...

Bill,
I saw some inexpensive wiper motors, arms and blades in JC Whitney's
catalog ,about $35US for all. I'm thinking about putting it on the rear
door.  I have a new rear door from the UK with the defroster,  would
make a good combination.
-- 
                                    ____________
                                    Mike Johnson
                                74 SIII 88 (Chester)
                                73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
                           http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm
                           _____________________________

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 10:48:22 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Wish List...2!

Re:Rear wiper motor:

>>>>I am looking for the Lucas unit because it is more or less stock,
                
More less, than more, eh? Try JC whitney, they have similar motors fo a decent 
price. 
DaveB.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:56:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: New LR Website

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Christian Kuhtz wrote:

> Either my memory is astonishingly good and I have to wonder what happened to  
> all those other things I was supposed to remember, or you're posting this  
> message in much too frequently intervals and are about to cross the boundaries  
> of being a nuisance.

	Depends whether or not 4x4 Magazine is a commercial entity & our
	friend is subtly trolling for "customers"...  

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:06:07 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)

To the best of my knowledge, my brake switch is one of the few remaining 
original parts on my '64 109, and has been submerged in silicone brake fluid 
for the last 5 years. I have not installed a hydraulic brake-lock I've had 
for the same period for fear it might be incompatible. To test it, I've had 
it sealed in silicone for about 4 years. The o-ring has not swollen or 
changed durometer in that time, but I still hesitate, since a failure would 
result in loss of brakes, causing me to run into someone, unlike the switch, 
which would fail to activate the brake lights, causing someone to run into 
ME. Hmmm! Actually, the mention of dielectric properties and erosion "when 
the contacts open" implies an inductive load, and brake lights offer very 
little inductive resistance. If a coil were in the circuit (like a relay?), 
it might increase the erosion problem. I wonder if adding a condenser would 
offer adequate protection?
JohnO
'64 109, (now with THREE suspected original parts)

>Silicone brake fluid may be incompatible with hydraulic pressure accuated
>brake light switches as used 'till '68. This is from my memory of a short
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>information, but this sounds plausible.
>Regards,
>David Cockey

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From: WJMcD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:26:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: References

I'm trying to get references on Landf Rover Connection. If you have had any
dealings... good or bad with LRC or Joeseph Kemp, I would be interested in
hearing about them.

WJMcD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:39:18 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: No OD

Marko writes:
(snip)
>Instead I bought the high-speed transfercase kit from Automatic Conversions
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>taking the transfercase out, is there anything else I should replace.  How
>about the bearings, should I buy new ones or just put the old ones back in.

Marko, I'm so sorry to have ever mentioned it, you'll regret it forever and 
hate me for it. To assuage my guilt, I'll buy it from you, at nearly your 
cost, and as penance, force myself to install it in my 109 and drive it 
daily. Can you pay the shipping? ;). But seriously, let us know how it works 
out. Regarding your other question, I can't think of any good reason to 
replace anything that's already working, except for the output seals and any 
worn parking brake parts. How are the rear mounts? Maybe the U-joints if 
they've got more than 65,000 miles, driveline splines, synchro's, little 
o-ring on the end of the gear shift, that noisey 1st gear, clutch, rear main 
bearing, rings, unleaded valve seats, 2-barrel Weber, 2.5 cam, wiring 
harness, that dented fender as long as it's off, and might as well paint the 
whole car to match, and why not do the interior to go with the new paint, 
and new seats of course, are the swivel balls leaking, maybe new springs and 
shocks, for only slightly more you could convert to a coil chassis...? (but 
watch out for shipfitters disease).

JohnO

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:26:38 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
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Aaaahh.  I see a chance to start a slightly off-topic thread.

How many of us have 2nd vehicles for the rare occasion when the Rover
won't work?  My wife has the Disco as her daily driver, so I drive a
Toyota Tercel 4WD Station Wagon (As IF!) when my 2nd love (the IIA)
isn't...um..under it's own power (today, for example).  Since the Tercel
is a heap, we've decorated it with bumper stickers ("Keep your laws off
my body", "Minds are like parachutes...", 2X "It's a Sony!", local radio
stations, and of course, "Land Rover Owner International").

I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.

C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD
'83 Tercel 4WD SW

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<DT>How many of us have 2nd vehicles for the rare occasion when the Rover
won't work?&nbsp; My wife has the Disco as her daily driver, so I&nbsp;drive
a Toyota Tercel 4WD Station Wagon (As IF!) when my 2nd love (the IIA) isn't...um..under
it's own power (today, for example).&nbsp; Since the Tercel is a heap,
we've decorated it with bumper stickers (&quot;Keep your laws off my body&quot;,
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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:27:14 -500
Subject: Shipfitters?

To JohnO and All,
What is "shipfitters disease"?
Mark 

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:45:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

Heathens!

Why would you need any other vehicle?

Old Churchill and I do quite nicely, now that I sold the Mazda
pickup a year ago. Never needed to have another vehicle
than the daily driver, though I will admit to building an 88 now
 just for the fun of it.

I would make a remark here about having to be a REAL MANLY
TYPE to drive a Rover as your sole form of transport, but TeA and Jan
Hilborn might come and find me. 8*)

Poseurs.....if you need a second car you didn't rebuild the first one
right.

          aj"I WAS KIDDING...sorta"r

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:52:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Yeah Dixon

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil> wrote:
>Dixon, I'm with you.  Realistically, if you run a LR, you need a 
>second vehicle.  And the more interesting, the better.  Mark    

Ahhh...the second vehicle debate.  Let me go on the record in saying that you're 
a wimp if you own a non-LR vehicle for daily driving....a very smart wimp, but a 
wimp nonetheless.  I like to claim that I drive my LR daily, but I have the 
possibility of borrowing a car if the nescessity presents itself.  My hat goes 
off to folks like Spenny (until recently) and Jeff Berg who own and maintain 
their Rovers as the only vehicle for any sort of transportation.  This is in a 
country where a car is almost a nescessity.

Just my $.02 ... now back to butchering body panels...

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:00:01 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

The back up vehicle I currently use is a '92 Toy*** *and C*****r with 
75,000 miles.

SIII 88 soft top, koenig winch, OD, etc. is still my love.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:20:11 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:
snip
> Poseurs.....if you need a second car you didn't rebuild the first one
> right.

Hmmm... I wonder...

Considering that I routinely drive a D90 and have as my best functioning
second car an almost finished totally rebuilt 109SW with an '83 RR as backup to that
with an 80" waiting in the wings, I'd say that second cars are the one's being
rebuilt :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: unknown@ns2.icon.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:34:42 -0600
Subject: Remote Locks

I have a 91 RR.  I would like to install a keyless entry system for my RR. 
Has anyone had experience in doing this.  I would appreciate any advice and
expertise in this area.  Please e-mail me with any details you can...Thanks

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:02:12 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

     
OK - If your really interested in my cluttered garage/driveway (I will not 
include bicycles, kids wagons & carts, dogsled, etc) but here you go in newest 
to oldest -

        1) 1995 GMC Yukon                       - Wifes primary
        2) 1987 Buick Regal T-Type Turbo (3.8)  - 1970 SIIA backup
        3) 1970 SIIA 88" SW RHD, petrol         - My primary
        4) 1960 SII  88" SW LHD, petrol         - project (90%)
        5) 1952 XK120 RHD (pile of rust & dust) - project (35%)

Since you asked !

rscholl@lib.com
Ray Scholl - Acton, MA
> Subject: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
> Author:  Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com at mailgate

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:02:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote:

> Poseurs.....if you need a second car you didn't rebuild the first one
> right.

	Poseurs?  Gotta a custom walnut dash for a Mini sitting in the
	shed.  You would look real good in a woody Mini pick-up...
	Think about it... Ash sides, walnut inside...  Will send the dash,
	free...

>           aj"I WAS KIDDING...sorta"r
> right.
	How are your rebuilt windscreen wiper motors...  :-)

	PS.  And a Saab for the salt.  Don't want to unnecessarily hurt the
	better vehicles in the collection...

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:31:13 -0500
Subject: Roverability and PreLube

I agree with Adrian on the tractor: Has to be a Ferguson! My dad rescued a TO
20 from a twenty year slumber in the weeds. Rebuilt the engine, rewired the
elec. with a Delco alternator, new tires etc. not unlike your typical LR
project. Bit o paint, make good. Runs great. He gets a lot of use out of it. 
Guns: Jim Allen covered handguns. Long guns: Lee Enfield .303 (what else)
N0.1 MKIII or No.4MkI*.
Prelube: My start up procedure on cars with chokes in cold weather is to
leave the choke in and crank the engine until oil pressure light goes out or
shows on the gauge. Then pull choke and start it up. Obviously a good battery
is advisable, and dont run the starter more than needed (short bursts). On
oil changes with the 3.5L I pull the coil wire also and wont start the engine
until a reading shows on the gauge.
Cheers. Andy Blackley 

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:28:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Series IIA Heater

>>Rovers North's Mansfield heater is an excellent fit and a real little 
>>furnace.  It has kept the interior of my leaky rag-top toasty well below 
>>zero.  
>Also costs somewhere around a bazillion (1100) dollars...probably better 
>off sourcing a decent used Kodiak.

Well it was about 600 clams when I bought it 10-12 years ago.

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:42:28 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

Chris Dow wrote:
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A standby vehicle for the days when the 109" won't start or when the
wife needs another car? A 88" series III - what else?

One of the major advantages of having 2 series LRs is that when you
dismantle something on one of them, and can't find a diagram of how to
put it back in the manual, you can always lift the bonnet on the other
and use it as a manual!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:40:25 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Shipfitters?

Mark asks: What is "shipfitters disease"?
(an example:)
Well, it's a nice day to work outside, and that cleat is loose, so I'll just 
tighten the screws. Oops, one is stripped, so, to do it right, I'll remove 
the cleat and see what the problem is. Oh, dear, dryrot!! Well, it's only in 
this one plank, and I can easily replace it. Gee, all the screws are loose, 
better replace the whole frame while I'm at it. Oh, shoot, I'll have to take 
out the wiring harness and chain plate, well, the wiring harness really 
needed to be replaced anyway, and now's a good time to get that chainplate 
regalvanized. Fooey, now it won't match the other-ones, so I'll just do all 
of them, won't that look nice. And since I'll have to repaint the new 
planks, I might as well do the rest of the hull or it won't match. And the 
shiney hull will really make the cabin trunk look chalkey, and I really 
wanted to strip and varnish it, so what better time? And since it'll be out 
of commission for at least a week, and I'll have to take out the cabinets to 
redo the wiring properly (all those funky splices can finally go), I can 
redo them at the same time. Gee, with all that room, and nothing to get 
dirty I can finally pull the head and find out why the engine's been burning 
oil. I'm sure the shop can have it done before the cabinets are ready to go 
back in. In fact, this may be an opportunity to rebuild the bottom end, 
after all, it's 30 years old and bearings and rings will never be easier to 
put in. I could even paint the block while it's out, and galvanize the 
through-hull fittings, paint the bilge, and get that new pump for an early 
Christmas present, maybe new sails to go with the new paint, revarnish the 
mast, replace the sticking sheave while I'm up there, maybe a new antenna, 
or at least the coax. Heck, the radio's as old as the boat, and since I'm 
this far into it.....

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:40:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Roverability and PreLube

In a message dated 97-01-22 14:15:42 EST, you write:

<< I agree with Adrian on the tractor: Has to be a Ferguson! My dad rescued a
TO
 20 from a twenty year slumber in the weeds >>

Gotta disagree here.  Talk to your local farmers who make a living with their
tractors.  I've lived on both coasts and the most successful large and small
farmers I know all drive John Deere's.  Readily available parts, easy to work
on and very dependable.  The local farmers here wait until the big commercial
farms fully depreciate their tractors and then pick up 5-8 year old tractors
at auction.  Some have never owned a new tractor.  Other tractors are used
but when they have a choice, most buy John Deere.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:26:17 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Can I put a Koenig on my Series III?

I ask this because I now have all(most) of the parts to put my winch on my
truck.  Thanks to those who posted the manual online!  It's a great
resource for those of us new to the winch! :-)
     Anyway, I know I'll have to modify the exhaust, because it's in the
way of the shaft, but it looks like the slave cylinder location leaves
precious little room for the PTO shaft to go forward above the
cross-member.  If anybody has one of these on their Series III, any
information/tips on fitting it would be helpful!(information about how
people modified their exhaust would also be of help)

Thanks in Advance!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
XO of the VMFA 509th COUGARS

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA,
   1974 Series III

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:43:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Roverability and PreLube

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 97-01-22 14:15:42 EST, you write:
> << I agree with Adrian on the tractor: Has to be a Ferguson! My dad rescued a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> Nate
> NADdMD@aol.com
Sorry Nate - I was talking Europe! Thanks to you guys and the Marshall
Aid programme in the 50's - european farming was completly rebuild, many
a farmer getting his first Fergie or Landie S1 via Marshall Aid. The
Fergie revolutionised agriculture - even stateside, as it was the first
"open-system" tractor, a tractor which could lift, pull, and drive any
tool or appliance, even from another manufacturer. At that time IH and
Deere were the Microsofts of farming, if you bought their tractor, you
had to buy their tools. Fergie changed all that. Fergie was first
designed and built by a manic depressive Irishman, who eventually went
into partnership with massey of massey-Harris fame.

Alas developments have overtaken the grey fergies, and even here in
Denmark the big John Deere's have won their ground - they are also fine
tractors.

But for any european farmer or tractor enthusiast, the fergie (like the
fordson dexter and the IH Farmall in the states) will always occupy a
special pride of place. There are fergie clubs in europe as active and
varied in their membership as the Land Rover community, and the
enthusiasm for their preservation, as working reminders of a time when
the means was as important as the end, is as strong as ever. Spare parts
are no problem here, I ordered a new set of hoses for my 31 last year
from the danish local MF agent, and next day received original hoses in
1969 wrappings - still as supple as ever.

For the smallholder the ferguson is perfect, light, simple, reliable,
and easy on the soil. For ploughing heavy soil it's younger (bigger)
brother the MF 35 Diesel (RED as opposed to GREY) is superior in power
and has the addition of a low ration gearbox like the LR.

The similarities with Land Rovers are abundent - english threads,
english mechanical mentality, and attention to detail. The castings are
of high quality, Marshall Aid also benefitted the steelworks, and that's
before British steel rusted like Birmabright corrodes and before the
brits imported cheap steel from the eastern european countries. It
lasts!

Mine is from 1953, had the rebuild in 1988, and was totally stripped and
all exterior iron/steel/castings sand blasted and metalised. She shines
like a beauty, and still suffers over 200 hours work on the land every
year without complaint.

Like my series, she lives indoors most of the time, in a dry, warm
workshop and garage.

But I'd have to agree, if I had to make a living from the land, then I'd
probably choose a JD or similar!

I put my fergie or the landies in as many films or tv programmes as I
can make. Fergie has been in three programmes and the 88 was the
presenters vehicle for a childrens tv series which ran 4 yyears and 76
episodes, including being the star of a one hour special about Iceland.

Romantic? Moi?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:04:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ECU Fault Codes

I know I'll get flamed by the series people for this but a friend with a coiler 
is in a bind.  I remember a thread a little while back about the ECU codes being 
available on the 'net.  Location please?  I'd like to get back to this guy by 
the end of the day.....Thanks.

Rgds,
Eric
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Subject: LR Sighting
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 22:21:38 -0000
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Saw a Discovery in a commercial for a Music CD called DRIVE with music 
for in a Land Rover Discovery.
This was on VH-1, a MTV alike German satelitesender on ASTRA.

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 22:31:30 -0000
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>A standby vehicle for the days when the 109" won't start or when the
>wife needs another car? A 88" series III - what else?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>put it back in the manual, you can always lift the bonnet on the other
>and use it as a manual!

Way to go! Yes that's the ultimate persuasion for having a second Land 
Rover. YES !!

Now I'll get my second one. I always wanted a second LR. So I think I'm 
not also looking for a 200 TDi and gearbox for my 110, but also for a 
SIII, 88". May have no engine in the bay, as when I swap the 2.5D for a 
200 TDi I'll swap the no engine for a 2.5D.

My second Landy, yummie.....

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:50:50 -0800
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

My second vehicle is the Range Rover. I figured it would be as dependable
as any other vehicle, which it was until the head gasket blew ;^( But on
the other hand I bet the Tercel motor will go before it reaches 160,000.
All I need to do is put the new gaskets on and drive away, but that would
be stupid. I am re-doing the valves to bring the compression back up.
Unfortunately, both Rovers are sitting in the drive, and I am using the
Ducati to get around, not so bad in the rain really. Jane won't let me take
her Jimmy to work, but hey, I get there faster on a bike:^)
Paul
>Aaaahh.  I see a chance to start a slightly off-topic thread.
>How many of us have 2nd vehicles for the rare occasion when the Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>'96 Disco SD
>'83 Tercel 4WD SW

Paul Archibald
paarch@ix.netcom.com
(parch@smmff.com during the week at work)
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre, slowly but surely
'87 Range-Rover-over 160,000 miles-"in 'ospital" ;^(    (Squeak)
'92 fly-yellow Ducati 750SS     yesss!!(perfect winter commuter) ;^) I love
California

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:56:28 -0500
From: "F. I. Park" <xfipark@erols.com>
Subject: Snow chains

Hi folks,

I bought a pair (just one pair for the emergencies) of snow chains
recently and I've got a question. Instruction says to fit the chains on
the driving wheels. What if you are in 4WD mode -- Do you fit the chains
in the front or the back?

Just wondering...

Frankin
SIIA 109

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:51:54 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: fergies, and videotapes?

I'm not even sure what year my Ferguson 30 was built (who do I send the 
serial number to?). It leaks oil, has the steering brake pedals on either 
side, so I can't use the left brake and clutch at the same time, is drafty 
and uncomfortable for long drives, isn't very fast, and has all the other 
tractor-like characteristics of a Rover. Tune-up and basic parts are stocked 
at the M-F dealer, and anything else requires UPS and 2 days. Out here in 
the wheatbelt, EVERY farmyard has a "little gray tractor", usually bought 
new by the farmer's father or G'father, and usually with a scraper blade on 
the back or bucket on the front, or just left hitched to the haywagon (you 
don't use the Terex or Challenger to clean out the feedlot or to haul a few 
bales to the stock). They sell for more restored than new Kubota's, because 
folks with "hobby" farms think they look like real tractors.

Yeah, I'll vote for Fergusons.

As for computers, anyone remember the "coffee-grinder" calculators? ('can't 
remember the name, but they were perfected about the time electronic 
calculators became small enough to carry around).

Cheers,
JohnO

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:59:37 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Snow chains, caution

I nearly ripped the left wing from my 109 while backing out my driveway with 
chains on the front tires. With the steering wheel turned to the right, and 
going over a slight bump, the left wheel chain caught on the inner 
sheetmetal, pulling the breakfast bolt heads right through the aluminum. I 
stopped within a few feet and drove forward, but second law prevented it 
from correcting itself so easily.
I still use chains on the front (and back), but I keep the thermodynamics 
lesson in mind.
JohnO
'64 109

>I bought a pair (just one pair for the emergencies) of snow chains
>recently and I've got a question. Instruction says to fit the chains on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Frankin
>SIIA 109

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:18:54 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: fergies, and videotapes?

John Ousterhout wrote:

> I'm not even sure what year my Ferguson 30 was built (who do I send the[majorly pared]
> folks with "hobby" farms think they look like real tractors.

John, a fellow at work asked me if I knew of any resources on the net for parts 
for antique tractors.  I don't; do you?

> As for computers, anyone remember the "coffee-grinder" calculators? ('can't
> remember the name, but they were perfected about the time electronic
> calculators became small enough to carry around).

There was the Kurta rallye calculator that was very de rigeur in sportscar 
circles when I was a young'n but that was well-developed before the electronic 
ones came along.  The other mechanical device that every rallyer had to have 
before the age of electronics was a Halda Speed Pilot.

In my office we used to have a cool old Monroe hand-crank desktop calculator 
that was in very good shape.  Unfortunately, the stoopid head bean counter of 
the department put it in a surplus sale before anyone in engineering knew what 
was happening and now it's sadly gone.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 17:36:22 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: Series IIA Heater

>>Rovers North's Mansfield ..... was about 600 clams when I bought it 10-12 
years ago.

Actually it hasn't gone up so much for a SIII, which is what i think you 
have if I am not mistaken. If you buy the kit for an early IIa, it's 800 
bucks for core, blower demister pipes, etc, and 300 for the ditribution 
box. Still 700 bucks for the SIII kit. A rip off if I've ever seen one. 
BTW, the original SIII heater core goes for $950!!! Insane, isn't it?
Later
DaveB

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Ave.
Middleton, WI  53562
1-800-373-7226

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:56:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

In a message dated 97-01-22 12:36:03 EST, you write:

 I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.
  >>

Let's see:

67 (68) SIIa 88"  50 K mi
87 Chevy Suburban 130,000 mi (my second vehicle)
94 J**p Gr*nd Ch*r*k** 65,000 mi (wife's vehicle)
96 Chevy pick-up 1 ton dually 4x4 crew cab 10K (wife's second--farm's first)
71 SIIa 88" needs work
72 SIII 88" ditto
73 SIII 88" REALLY ditto

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:03:24 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Performance cam for 2.25 petrol?

>I've got a 5 main bearing 2.25 petrol that needs a new cam. I've heard that
>there may be a bit of performance gain from putting in a diesel cam.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>added strain if there's any increase in power... and what about
>fuel consumption?

        The 2.5 Diesel cam was also used on the Weber DMTL 2bbl equipped
factory petrol engine. It's got a little more lift and duration so the
effect is neglegible by itself but if you combine it with other mods it
adds up.
        I've installed them in otherwise stock (and good running) 2.25L
engines with no seat-o-the pants improvement felt. No detriment either.
Combine it with a 2bbl carb, and the effect is dramatic and more so than a
2bbl with the original 2.25L cam. Go figure. Land Rover's factory
four-cylinder rebuild/tuning manual recommends against using the 2.5 cam in
2.25L but does not elaborate on why.
        Incidentally, I experimented with cam timing after installing a
2.5L cam in a 2.25 and found 2bbl setups (the Pierce/Weber setup) to run
better with the cam timing at 11BTDC (intake opening) than at the 2.25's
6BTDC. The 11 degree figure happens to be the factory 2bbl setting also. I
tried setting it at the diesels 16BTDC but while it has great low end, it
ran out of wind at about 3200rpm.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:25:27 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Snow chains

F. I. Park wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I bought a pair (just one pair for the emergencies) of snow chains
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Frankin
> SIIA 109

Put the chains on the front where you have all the weight.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:20:52 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Wish List...

Adams, Bill wrote:
> I was thinking that a rear window wiper would be a real treat. Anybody
> who has a early-mid sixties vintage 2A wiper motor in their box of spares
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

I put a rear wiper in my station wagon 88 Land Rover.  I used a chrome 
one used for boat windshields.  It is wonderful.  It has a park feature 
and it has a screw thread mount that is long enough to allow you to drill 
through the wide part of the rear door above the window and still put the 
nut on properly.  It was made to go through the old thick wood window 
frames on boates.  I defy anyone to tell it isn't original Land Rover and 
it cost about $28 not $228 like the real thing.  I used a flat trailer 
plug to allow me to remove the top and still have a waterproof plug on 
it.  It has a swithch on the dash where the old black filler was so it 
too looks original.  Dave VE4PNAdams, Bill wrote:
> I was thinking that a rear window wiper would be a real treat. Anybody
> who has a early-mid sixties vintage 2A wiper motor in their box of spares
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:12:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 2nd vehicle

I can't afford (or find for free) another LR like mine to guide me through
replacing bits i've taken off like Adrian is so fortunate to have, so here in
order of use are my next forms of transportation for when the 110's down:

91 Cannondale Road Bike
95 Sperry Topsiders
96 Flip flops
71 Bare feet

pat
93  110

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:30:13 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject:  New LR Website OK or Not

>        Depends whether or not 4x4 Magazine is a commercial entity & our
>        friend is subtly trolling for "customers"...

        To All,

        This was the third similar notice I've got over my two postings
about the new LR website at the Four Wheeler page. Is this a trend or is it
simple wingeing from a handful? I'd like to know, please, because I care
what y'all think.
        I'd have thought the idea of a major magazine devoting resources
Land Rover Owners would be an exciting deal. It is to me! Four Wheeler
magazines get read about a million and a half times. Land Rover Owners
represent well under 1% of that number, according to reader surveys.
Overall, it doesn't make much sense to devote resources to such a small
group but John Stewart is doing it anyway.
        Is it "commercial" of me, as Mr. Kenner said, to announce such
things here? To a certain degree, sure. I make my living doing stuff like
that. Does that make it bad or unsuitable for this group. You decide. I
thought we had settled this, the rule being, if it has some benifit to the
Roverite-at-Large, it's fair game. And I do think this new site will be a
benefit to all of you. John Stewart (FW Editor) has given me a lot of
leeway on content so we can dig into some nitpicky stuff you won't get
anywhere else. What other American source is willing to give you guys your
own site. I think it's a mighty nice thing for FW to do.
        Besides, I did warn that I would run it again and nobody said a
word 'till it ran again.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:38:06 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Snow chains

>Put the chains on the front where you have all the weight.  Dave VE4PN

Disagree stongly! Your weighted tires already have better traction than the
unweighted rears. The unweighted tires need the bite - if for nothing else
to keep you from spinning out. Especially going downhill. Uphill, your rear
tires get the weight transfer and the chains can be an aid there. If in
doubt, chain up all around.

        Jim Allen

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:40:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Remote locks/keyless entry

<<I would like to install a keyless entry system for my RR. 
Has anyone had experience in doing this.  I would appreciate any advice and
expertise in this area.>>

For keyless entry, cheapest solution is nearest rock or brick.

For remote keyless entry, baseballs and golfballs work from greatest
distance.

Yes, I don't live in a safe posh neighborhood. BTW, what's a RR? ;-)

Seriously, you could adapt the factory parts or try contacting local custom
car clubs. many low-rider or mini-truck owners install all sorts of door
opening/locking/unlocking gizmos; some don't even have door handles or
keyholes for the theoretical key. Check ads in back of magazines that cater
to that crowd.

pat.

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From: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 16:47:16 -0700
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

Dear Jim,

You may creep out from underneath that chair now... ;-)

Nobody said anything about not liking the fact that FW provides a site for LR  
owners.  Although, I'd like to point out that, for instance, www.off-road.com  
provides a site for LR's, too.

I don't mind any of what you're doing, but I don't think we have that much  
fluctuation on this list that this needs to be reposted every few days..

All of us are being bombarded with commercial advertisements...  that's why  
you got that response.

For myself, bimonthly is the absolute most I want to be spammed with  
commercial interests by one source.

Because, after that, it becomes just that.. SPAM.  And everybody will just  
delete it and you achieved the opposite of what you wanted to achieve.  The  
noise ratio becomes just too high and you're tuned out.

You can post anything you want to this list, just excercise common sense, too.

Your posting was very much suitable for the group, IMHO.  However, the reply  
was about *frequency* of said posting not the fact that it was posted in the  
first place.

I apologize if I expressed myself not clear enough, or offended someone.

Best regards,
--
Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>
                                                          ".com is a mistake."

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:05:09 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

Christian,

        Thanks for the input. After a few years in the writing world, I'm
too thick skinned to be offended by much other than blows to the face. I
am, however, a spirited debater/arguer and jump after controversy. In case
you hadn't noticed!
        Thanks!

        Jim

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:31:50 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
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> Considering that I routinely drive a D90 and have as my best
functioning
> second car an almost finished totally rebuilt 109SW with an '83 RR as
backup to that
> with an 80" waiting in the wings, I'd say that second cars are the
one's being
> rebuilt :)
Sir, thou art a braggart.

C

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&gt; with an 80&quot; waiting in the wings, I'd say that second cars are
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&gt; rebuilt :)<BR>
Sir, thou art a braggart.</DT>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:41:00 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
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8<
>But on
> the other hand I bet the Tercel motor will go before it reaches
160,000.
Sorry.  170K+ and still ticking (litterally).  It does, however, leave
significantly more oil on the drive than the IIA.  Wanted to fix it, but
the wife said it will 'build character' in the 16-year-old when he
starts driving it and has to keep putting oil in.

Perhaps it's the 4WD SW moniker that causes the oil leaks?  Do ragtops
and hardtops leak as much oil as the SWs?

C

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<DT>&gt;But on<BR>
&gt; the other hand I bet the Tercel motor will go before it reaches 160,000.<BR>
Sorry.&nbsp; 170K+ and still ticking (litterally).&nbsp; It does, however,
leave significantly more oil on the drive than the IIA.&nbsp; Wanted to
fix it, but the wife said it will 'build character' in the 16-year-old
when he starts driving it and has to keep putting oil in.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Perhaps it's the 4WD&nbsp;SW moniker that causes the oil leaks?&nbsp;
Do ragtops and hardtops leak as much oil as the SWs?</DT>

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:53:14 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

Chris Dow wrote:
> > Considering that I routinely drive a D90 and have as my best
> functioning
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> > rebuilt :)
> Sir, thou art a braggart.

I resent that... the sir part that is :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:24 -0400
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

In a word, not.

Jim, you weren't here when the LRO Magazine Web presence got whacked
soundly and conclusively for doing exactly what you're doing.

It isn't thatr we don't appreciate the thought, but entities represented by
a commercial presence are ofttimes constrained to say what their parents
suggest. I'm not saying that this is the case with you and yours, but it is
a thought that enters the minds of many of us at a time like this.

I am not a reader of American 4 x 4 magazines at all. I made that decision
after buying several and finding myself up against the "good ole boy"
mentality with the large tires and naked women on the mudflaps. As my name
is not Bubba and this is not what I bought a Rover to become, I found the
American mags almost a total waste of time.

Yes, I did sample the market comprehensively.

When I do buy, it is LRO, LRW, any one of several of the Aussie mags or the
like.

Honestly, if your magazine partners want to create a site with LR content,
I may well visit it. However, if I want the true skinny on something I will
most definitely go for the club or private sitews that do not have an axe
to grind.

               Alan J. Richer/ Mr. Churchill

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From: CarPhonMan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:26:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Unsubscribe

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:25:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: fergies, and videotapes?

In a message dated 97-01-22 16:59:18 EST, you write:

<< Out here in 
 the wheatbelt, EVERY farmyard has a "little gray tractor", usually bought 
 new by the farmer's father or G'father, and usually with a scraper blade on 
 the back or bucket on the front, or just left hitched to the haywagon >>

Perhaps, but I would hardly qualify that as a ringing endorsement.  How many
US garages have a Schwinn Varsity parked in them?  I would hardly call that
the ultimate bike.

In my opinion, if one considers LR "the best 4x4xfar", then one has to choose
the tractor which is considered in the same vein.  I would state again that
the best judge of that is what do the farmers use when they HAVE to get the
crop in the ground or off the field, not what tractor do they like to putter
with in the farmyard.  I know several farmers who liked MF, Olivers,
Minneapolis-Moline, and Farm-alls in days gone by but they're just not "the
best" anymore.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:39:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Snow chains

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) wrote:
>>Put the chains on the front where you have all the weight.  Dave VE4PN
>Disagree stongly! Your weighted tires already have better traction than the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>tires get the weight transfer and the chains can be an aid there. If in
>doubt, chain up all around.
My experience has been that with only one axle's worth of chains, the front is 
the better all-around compromise.  Granted, you have to be careful about 
catching bodywork, but the chains on the front give much more control as in 
being able to cut the wheel back and forth for more traction.  This may be only 
true on a vehicle that is heavily biased towards the front as a FWD or my Stage 
One.

This all assumes that you have the presence of mind to handle a vehicle with a 
lot of oversteer....the folks at DOT or NHTSA seem to think paternally that 
we'll hurt ourselves unless we have a great amount of understeer...

Hope this helps...

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:58:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-01-22 12:36:03 EST, you write:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.
>Let's see:
OK, time to brag, I guess.
I don't own all these vehicles but the family leaves the keys in them...woe be 
it to them :)

'59 SII 109" SW   40k miles
'90 Acura Integra  130k miles
'90 Infiniti M30   110k miles
'89 Toyota Celica  125k miles
'90 Toyota 4Runner  140k miles
'31 Buick Sedan  ??? miles (yes, really, commuted to school for 2 mos. with it)
'67 Mini Moke (a little chilly)
'76 Honda 450 (a little dangerous)
'63 Triumph Spitfire (cop magnet)
'88 Porsche 944 105k miles
'86 Chevy Motorhome (a little big)

As you can see, I have a big family and we like to drive....you should see our 
monthly gas bill....its enough to make a Kuwaiti take notice.

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:58:14 MST
From: ROB MODICA <rmodica@east.pima.edu>
Subject: Denny 1958 107?/109?

Denny Renken's Land-Rover presents a puzzle.  

If the VIN is 114802715 according to Robert Ivins "Know Your Land-Rover" (p.
93) it is a 1958 Series I export  petrol LHD !!! 88 !!!  According to Ivins'
list of chassis numbers 1958 petrol LHD 109s had numbers starting with
12480001, but they also had engine numbers starting with 11480001 -- as did
1958 Series I  petrol 88s.

According to James Taylor's "Original Land-Rover Series I"  (p. 95) 1958 LHD
107s had chassis numbers from  134800001 to 13801618 and engine numbers
starting with 114800001.  Again, Taylor states that 1958 LHD petrol 88s had
chassis numbers from 114800001 to 114802230.  He says 1958 export LHD petrol
109s had chassis numbers from 124800001 to 124801371 and engine numbers
from114800001.

It should be noted that some of Taylor's numbers are suspect.  He states that
1951 Series I export LHD 80"  chassis numbers range from 16130001 to 16136120. 
My 1951 Series I 80" LHD is chassis number 16136629.  A note states that "It is
possible some despatch records have been lost, and that final chassis numbers
were higher in some cases."

Perhaps the "VIN" number is in reality an engine number inadvertently used on
the USA title.  A check of the bulkhead plate and the right hand front spring
hanger should reveal the correct chassis number.

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ       '51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629  "La Rana"
Arizona Land Rover Owners   '60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
rmodica@east.pima.edu       '94 Disco 5spd 

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:34:09 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Abbey Quote

>>Edward Abbey writes about driving into the Maze in Canyonlands Utah...

>The PO of my Rover...loved to take it to Canyonlands.  Since it is a  72, I 
>doubt he was there at the same time.

The quote - and it is quite impressive - is from "Desert Solitaire" 
publiched in 1968.  Can't find the book, but I have the quote on disk, as it 
has been used in "The Gearbox".

Another humorous reference is in P. J. O'Rourke's "Holidays in Hell".  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:54:24 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

Jim,

>         This was the third similar notice I've got over my two postings
> about the new LR website at the Four Wheeler page. Is this a trend or is it
> simple wingeing from a handful? I'd like to know, please, because I care
> what y'all think.[snip]

I'm glad to know about this and laud you, John Stewart, and Four Wheeler for the 
disproportionate attention the magazine has gladly heaped upon the obscure Land 
Rover.  I'm looking forward to the website.

I do think you should be careful about announcing it too frequently.  It can 
quickly become annoying, even it no commercialism is associated with it.  I'm 
sure most will appreciate the announcement you will make when the site is 
actually up.  Maybe no more needs to be said until then.

Thanks, 

Granny

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:12:12 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

>        This was the third similar notice I've got over my two postings
>about the new LR website at the Four Wheeler page. Is this a trend or is it
>simple wingeing from a handful? I'd like to know, please, because I care
>what y'all think.

This was the first time I had seen it, as I had been unsubscribed for a
while, so it was news to me. Personally I don't mind a bit of 'advertising'
if it has Landrover content.  Certainly better than out of control threads
about PCs! It is also nice to see an American mag devoting some space to
Landrovers, I generally don't buy Australian mags any more due to lack of
Rover content.

BTW Jim, I have always enjoyed the transatlantic flavour of your column in
LROI; and it's always the first section that my wife turns to!

That reminds me, I'll have 7 months of LROI and LRW to catch up on when I
get home!!

Cheers  Tony.

*********************************************************************

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:13:19 -0600 (CST)
From: "tim harincar"  <harincar@camworks.com>
Subject: Captian Winky Lucas

Hi all,

The headlights on my '66 IIa just decided to start (seemingly randomly) blinking
off for no apparent reason. 

Symptoms: for the most part, the lights are on as normal, but, usually while 
moving, they'll simply cut out and then back in. Sometimes more often, sometimes
less. And they are not just dimming like a bad ground, they're going *off*.

Here is what I have tried so far: I pulled all the grounds, sanded the 
connections and replaced them. While this fixed an annoying problem with my turn
signals, the headlights were not corrected, but they did seem to improve 
somewhat. I thought, and still kind of do think, that there is some vibration 
relationship somewhere, although the problem has also occured while standing 
still. It seems to be much worse while actually moving bouncing around. 

I've tried rattling every connection I could find to see if something was loose 
or shorting, no apparent effect. I tried whacking the generator, voltage reg, 
and battery to see if I could find a loose connection there; pulled, inspected, 
and reseated both fuses; and I pulled the dash to see if I could find a loose 
wire on the switch. Zippo on all counts.

I'm fearing the worst: the ignition switch. Its the only thing I could think of 
that is separate from the power supply yet still has the ability to knock out 
both lights at the same time. 

Any other ideas? Of course, I really needed to drive it Friday evening...

Tim
---
tim harincar
camworks
minneapolis, mn
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:24:27 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

Dear Jim,

I strongly favor your efforts toward a new LR website, and I am happy that
Four Wheeler is supporting it. 
I also very much appreciate your contributions to this LR digest.

During the 2+ years that I've subscribed to this list, I'd say that the
greatest waste of bandwidth has been due to the bickering over whether
something is "too" commercial or not (as well as the arguments about whose
stuff is whose on various web sites). 

In fact, the several commercial abuses of the list during the past two
years were blatant, and no 'debate' was necessary.

Some list members seem to have a bug up their ass and raise the question
of 'commercialism' reflexively, without reasonable cause.  A Guinness or
two *might* relieve them of their bugs.

Anyway, Jim, it seems that anybody who has a Land Rover related job gets a
little bit muddied by those wags! (It has happened to Steve(BRITPAC), Mike
Smith(East Coast Rover), and Jim Pappas (LR Metro West), so you're in good
company!)  Don't worry. Keep up the good work.

Best wishes,
David Rosenbaum
'94 D90, Seattle WA

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:49:45 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Lucas Electrics 

I don't know what the following stuff was doing in alt.folklore.urban but it
sure is on-topic for this list.

I'm probably breaking all sorts of netiquette rules by copying this over
but. . . . 

>From Alt.Folklore.Urban

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Yes, but it bears repetition -- you never know who might be
considering the purchase of a British car with the intention
of driving beyond sight of home.  My experience with them 
(just 36 hours, but it seemed longer) indicates that they are
supplied with a single electron.  It attempts courageously
but in vain to wend its way through the entire car fast 
enough to maintain the illusion that the lights, fuel pump, 
and primary ignition are all working at the same time.

--Joe "Been there, pushed that" Chew

Joe Chew wrote:
["lone electron" theory snipped]
> --Joe "Been there, pushed that" Chew

While we have a Lucas Electrics thread running, let's try to get some
mileage out of it.  A friend of mine insists that Lucas takes the
rap for poor implementation, when in fact the problem is bad design
specification from the manufacturers.  Specifically, older cars used
cloth insulation on wiring, which is fine in the damp British climate,
but dries out completely in states such as California which have
lengthy dry spells.  Once completely dry, the insulation loses
flexibility and becomes prone to wear and chafing, leading to short
circuits, and to increased mechanical failure at contacts due to the
added rigidity.  Of course, no such thing happens in dear old Blighty,
so the manufacturers continued to specify cloth insulation, which
Lucas supplies.  Sound plausible?

= = = = = = = = = = = = = 

I really like that "lone single electron" concept.  It explains so much.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:57:41 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: My 1958 109" Ser I - What's in a Number?

Rob (info Peter)

Ah!!!! The bulkhead data plate is missing.  A trip to the garage after
getting your email, and some rubbing on the inside right front spring hangar
revealed the rusted but readable VIN to be:  124800684.   A look at the
front left edge of the block after some scraping shows the engine number to
be 114802715!  

The 1970 Oregon registration and the Arizona title dated 1973 show the VIN
to be 114802715... as does the last AZ registration, which expired in 1987.
When I took the title to DMV to register the transfer in December, they
called the purged record file and "confirmed" the VIN as 114802715, which is
on my new title.

Immediate thoughts:

a.  Did the old boy who sold it to me remove the data plate on purpose,
because it did not match the VIN on the 1973 title we used to transfer it?  

b.  How do I get the right VIN reflected on the title... should I even try?
(The vehicle is titled but not tagged, so I have to get a one day permit to
take it to DMV to get the VIN visually confirmed before the state gives me
tags for it!)

c.  What number should I get put on the substitute data plate I am about to
order from the Series One Club in Bristol!!!????  

d.  I'm not this dumb.  Really.

Thanks for helping with this.  I have learned a lot about my landie.  The
number now makes sense and fits where it should.   I will fight the
bureaucracy at DMV and get the title changed, and get the right number put
on the data plate, title, and registration.

                                                        Denny 

At 07:58 PM 1/22/97 MST, ROB MODICA wrote:
>Denny Renken's Land-Rover presents a puzzle.  
>If the VIN is 114802715 according to Robert Ivins "Know Your Land-Rover" (p.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)]
>Arizona Land Rover Owners   '60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
>rmodica@east.pima.edu       '94 Disco 5spd 

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:08:51 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Captian Winky Lucas
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> I'm fearing the worst: the ignition switch. Its the only thing I could
think of
> that is separate from the power supply yet still has the ability to
knock out
> both lights at the same time.
Unfortunately, I agree with your diagnosis here, given the other tests
you've done.

If it is the ignition switch, look into replacing it with the later IIA
switch and a two-position light switch, this combo is 1/2 the price of
the early IIA switch (~$35US for the ignition switch plus another $35US
for the light switch vs. ~$140US for the early style ignition switch,
),.  Assuming the later switch will fit in the oririnal hole (check with
your supplier, as I'm not sure this is indeed the case), you can then
drill a new hole (either 17/32 or 9/16, I can't remember for sure) put
the two-position switch in there, and wire it up like it was a later
IIA.  I wish I'd done that on mine.

In any case do something about it soon.  This was the first (and last)
problem I ignored on my IIA, and got a new wiring harness in the
bargain.

C

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<DT>&gt; I'm fearing the worst: the ignition switch. Its the only thing
I could think of<BR>
&gt; that is separate from the power supply yet still has the ability to
knock out<BR>
&gt; both lights at the same time.</DT>

<DT>Unfortunately, I agree with your diagnosis here, given the other tests
you've done.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>If it is the ignition switch, look into replacing it with the later
IIA switch and a two-position light switch, this combo is 1/2 the price
of the early IIA&nbsp;switch (~$35US for the ignition switch plus another
$35US for the light switch vs. ~$140US for the early style ignition switch,
),.&nbsp; Assuming the later switch will fit in the oririnal hole (check
with your supplier, as I'm not sure this is indeed the case), you can then
drill a new hole (either 17/32 or 9/16, I&nbsp;can't remember for sure)
put the two-position switch in there, and wire it up like it was a later
IIA.&nbsp; I wish I'd done that on mine.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>In any case do something about it soon.&nbsp; This was the first (and
last) problem I&nbsp;ignored on my IIA, and got a new wiring harness in
the bargain.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>C</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:16:32 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

>How many of us have 2nd vehicles for the rare occasion when the Rover
>won't work?  My wife has the Disco as her daily driver, so I drive a
>Toyota Tercel 4WD Station Wagon (As IF!) when my 2nd love (the IIA)
>isn't...um..under it's own power (today, for example).  Since the Tercel

Well,  when my 95 D90SW (Blue) is in for service,  I guess my back up would
be my wife's 95 D90SW (Green).  Life Is Great.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:43:31 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

At 09:24 PM 22/01/97 -0800, David Rosenbaum, wrote

>During the 2+ years that I've subscribed to this list, I'd say that the
>greatest waste of bandwidth has been due to the bickering over whether
>something is "too" commercial or not (as well as the arguments about whose
>stuff is whose on various web sites). 

This list is the most sane (speaking realitively) of several I subscribe to.
99% of the stuff here is on topic and well worth reading.  If you want to
experience life in a truly unfocused list try Border Collies, Dinosaur, or
the worst of the lot, Journalism.

Life is sweet here.  I really don't think we have too many problems.  I wish
my SII ran as well.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:58:00 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Said" <Geoffrey.Said@MAGNET.MT>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicle

I use my SIII 109inch diesel as my daily transport and has only let me down in 
one occassion when a core plug burst.  I go everywhere more tarmac to green 
laning to though offroad(only once as my girlfriend and my family complained 
about making too much damage and going home dirty) but it is a great fun to 
drive.

I was considered acquiring a defender for normal use and taking my SIII offroad. 

Any comments

Geoffrey

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:30 -0800
From: "Franklin H. Yap" <fhyap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Snow chains

ericz@cloud9.net wrote:
> My experience has been that with only one axle's worth of chains, the front is
> the better all-around compromise.  

For another point of view:  The Defender manual says snow chains should 
be placed on the rear axle only.

Frank

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From: ppinheiro@ip.pt
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:45:10 +0000
Subject: re: cameras

  Hi!

>The Land Rover of cameras without a doubt is the Pentax K1000. Super 
>simple, very portable, needs no batteries, rugged as hell, and will
>take   a damn nice photo if you treat it well and know what you're
>doing.

  I agree, as I have one - it WAS my Mom's :-) - I made it mine by 
some years of use :-), but I have to disagree with you on one thing.  
The K1000 does need a battery - for the inbuilt light level measurer 
- which is not a shame, since even the LR have one (albeit a little 
bigger) :-)

  Bye!                     Pedro Pinheiro

        '67 SIIA 88" Diesel 'Oscar' 24430781D
 AFS Exchange Student - Missouri, US, during 1993-94

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:53:59 -0500
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Clutch, O/D, weak links (Real LR content :-)

Alexander Grice wrote that a nice way to get acces to the clutch master
cyl on a LHD is through a custom access panel in the wing.  Before I cut
my wing to pieces, can anyone on the list who actually has one of these
tell me exactly where it is, how big, where does it open to ...etc.  I
think its a great idea, but I am afraid it will weaken the wing & rattle
even more if you don't do it right.  (and I have no examples to look
at--everybody else here have RHD...)

About rover diffs:  Many people over here believe that Rover half-shafts
are a weak link in the drive train and are therefore bad...they all
replace their diffs & half-shafts with salisburys.  I talked to a friend
the other day who said that those half-shafts are actually designed to
be a weak link in order to save the rest of the drive train (sort of
acts like a fuse) in case of overload.  So by fitting salisbury one
probably runs the risk of damaging all sorts of things very slowly, like
gearbox, xfer etc...  
The bottom line of this is that it seems that if you modify a LR by
putting a more powerful engine in it, you will probably break
something...unless you contunue modifying until you have actually
replaced the whole drive-train too...  

The whole thing's design seems to be very nicely thought out.  I am more
and more convinced that you smudge the beauty of it by modifying at
all.  It seems that LR's derive their strengths by paying for it with
their weaknesses--which is why other cars will struggle to do the same. 

Could anybody who broke a half-shaft perhaps email me directly and tell
me the following:
a) What engine do you have?
b) Do you snap-pull other people's cars (or trees)?
c) Why do you think your half-shaft broke?

I'll send the results to the list if anybody is interested.

About overdrives:  The aforementioned friend and I also talked about
overdrives.  He said that the same problem happen with each 'blown'
overdrive he encountered:  Apparently the O/D aluminuim casing expands
and that the seal slips out and falls into the gearbox (or is it the
transfer box?--I don't have one, don't know where it fits).  Since the
O/D is higher than the gearbox (transfer?) its oil then drains into it. 
The trick is apparently to get the seal to stay where it is...
Any comments?  Did this happen to those of you who had overdrive
problems (or did you use them in 1st and 2nd  @-( )?

Despite my somewhat purist feelings, I am considering one small
modification on my SIII diesel.  I saw Brian Cotton's (hi Brian!) SIII
diesel with a free-flow exhaust--and was quite impressed.  I feel like
doing the same, however I have been advised to keep the standard
manifold.  This, apparently is because of fear that the exhaust valves
might run too hot.  Any ideas?

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel SW )

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:30:22 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492)
Subject: (Y)ikes

Hmmm,

1. dike \'di-k\ n, fr. di-c ditch, dike; akin to pond, dike, figere to fasten, 
pierce 1: an artificial watercourse : DITCH dial Brit 2a: a wall or fence of 
turf or stone 2b: a bank usu. of earth constructed to control or confine water 

but the other version ran through my spellchecker ok ;-}

RE: bleedin' brakes. 

I cannot believe the heath Robinson devices used for bleeding 109" brakes !!
The Eezibleed is much easier due to the reservoir of fluid it uses, thus not 
having to pressurise and depressurise the system to refill the master cylinder.

Get one, you'll love it !

Cheers, Paul.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: (Y)ikes
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 9:12:12 GMT

> RE: bleedin' brakes. 
> I cannot believe the heath Robinson devices used for bleeding 109" brakes !!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> having to pressurise and depressurise the system to refill the master cylinder.
> Get one, you'll love it !

Most definitely. When I replaced my front brakes (cylinders, shoes and piping
to the hoses + 1 hose), I had no end of trouble bleeding my brakes. This was
using the standard 2-person method. After repeated attempts I managed to get
it drivable, but the Eezibleed really does the biz. Be careful 'cos Gunson 
sell a much inferior product (containing a little tube and a valve) - this
is useless, although the tube (without the valve) is handy to direct the
flow from the bleed nipple!
With the Eezibleed, all you do is fill it up, connect the cap to the 
resevoir (makesure there's a good seal, otherwise a DipStick Award will
be given for filling your engine compartment with brake fluid - I blow on
the other pipe, despite the taste), connect the remaining pipe to a spare tyre,
and slowly bleed each nipple in turn. As easy as that.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:27:10 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

>I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.

Feet.

Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:50 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Yeah Dixon

  My hat goes
>off to folks like Spenny (until recently) and Jeff Berg who own and maintain
>their Rovers as the only vehicle for any sort of transportation.  This is in a
>country where a car is almost a nescessity.

Well,the Land Rover is enough trouble on its own.Why buy more?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:37:43 +0100 (MET)

| >I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.
| Feet.

Bike or thumb.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:53:48 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles [was Re: Yeah Dixon]

>| >I'd be interested to know what others use for this purpose.
>| Feet.
>Bike or thumb.

Bus or train

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 10:20:00 PST

When I blew the engine in my 110 last year my friend let me borrow his 110. 
Gee I like friends like that! Please note, the fact that his engine headed 
south just before Christmas was nothing to do with me :-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:32:25 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: New LR Website OK or Not

I've got no problem with being informed about this website or any other,
seems more relevant than pc's, talking of which I still use a BBC micro
model B sometimes!

Mick Forster (1973 LWB Safari 2.25 petrol; 1986 Austin Metro for those
odd occasions!)
School of Computing
Staffordshire University
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffs
cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:48:17 -500
Subject: LR/Ferguson

Adrian,
I enjoyed your LR/Ferguson historical account.  Once I was told that 
Triumph TR series and Ferguson shared engines.  As a child,  I
remember hearing Triumphs referred to as tractors, in an admiring
sense, of course.  Any truth to this?  Mark 

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 06:52:01 -500
Subject: 2 LRs

Adrian & Others,
That is a most novel solution.  Two LRs, each working half time.  Or 
four, each functioning quarter time.  Which is your favorite, the 88
Series 3 or the 109 (is it a Series 2)?  Mark

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