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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 01:19:12 NZT

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:22:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Subject: Re: Hi all, I am new to the list but recognize a few names out

Hi Jim!  I am usually just a lurker, but recognized your name and thought
I'd say Hi!  Good luck with your project.  
At 10:58 PM 1/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>From Wichita, KS USA, I also am a propriotor of my own Rover kingdom.  I
>am searching for parts and technical advice with this message.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>Thanks in advance.
>Jim Pendleton
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:48:00 +0200
From: jros@argus.co.za (Jonathan Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Series III Wiring Help Needed

Dear John
I am working from memory but the turn signals and wipe draw power off the
same point on the fuse box. Take power of the little outlet on the front of
the dash (red rimmed) and poke around with a little test pointer along the
fuse box connections. I seem to remember I "customised" mine by simply
tracing back from the indicator cluster to the flasher unit. Try applying
power directly to the flasher unit while turn is on and see what happend. I
it click the flasher (relay) is good. If not you can simply bring a fresh
+ve from the fuse box to the flasher unit. I did this and now can have turn
signals even when the ignition is dead - useful for hazard lights on
roadside emergencies.

Good luck
Jon

>1.)   Wipers don't work.  Culprit is a disconnected ground wire from the
>motor.  Can anybody tell me where it's supposed to go?
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>has three posts on it, but only two wires, a green/brown, and green/yellow
>wire.  Should it have another.  All fuses appear good in the fuse-box.

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| Jonathan  Rosenthal
| Industrial Reporter
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| Tel: (011) 633-2638
| Fax: (011) 838-2693
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:04:10 +0000
From: Olafur Agust Axelsson <olafura@rhi.hi.is>
Subject: New Weber carb!!

hi!
I just finished installing a new Weber carburator instead of my old Solex=
 -
the change is dramatic;
-  more power (contrary to what i had been told)
- no stalling on acceleration
- but i dont know about fuel economy yet - caused by broken speedometer!!

I also installed free wheeling hubs - noise reduction very noticeable!!

The problem is though - that i dont know much about tuning the Weber -  t=
his
is something that must have been covered earlier!!  - any suggestions??

----------
=D3lafur =C1g=FAst Axelsson        olafura@rhi.hi.is
http://www.hi.is/~olafura

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 08:20:42 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Anybody seen my Seals?

Well, with last week's cold spell reaching new lows, the Clutch Master 
Cylinder on my SIII decided to fly south for warmer climes. At least the 
seals did, since the M/C was still there when I looked. Funny, I thought 
seals liked cold weather. Anyway, growing bored of jamming the gears in and 
out on my newly rebuilt 'box, I decided to try and bleed the bastard 
cylinder for what it was worth. What was it worth you ask? Well, I figured 
I'd maybe get something out of it, so I pulled up the floor and opened the 
bleed screw and pumped and bled and closed the screw and then again and 
again and again until there was blood everywhere. Just kidding, it was just 
brake fluid. Sorry, the Gods of Girling said silently, you must first pay a 
price. So, unable to really bleed it due to extreme cold and lack of 
pressure, I got back whatever semblance of pressure I could and then got in 
and lo! I could change the gears quite easily. perhaps a small gift had 
been bestowed upon yours truly by the aforementioned hydraulic deities. Not 
so, they retorted as I slipped the 'box into first. I eased off the clutch, 
but alas I wasn't gentle enough...

BAM!

The silence after this sound was deafening. It was the shot heard around 
the world. I thought for sure I would be pulling up the seatbox in short 
order. A pop on the yellow knob. Such a friendly color, yellow...nothing.
A few quick phone calls and lots of staring at various diagrams, and back 
out in the cold to turn this and jack that up and turn this, and alas it 
was the old axle shaft that flew south to join its hydraulic brethren. 
I'll save this for a rainy day, I thought, as visions of blissful moments 
under the greasy canopy filled my head. 

I weighed the pros and cons of pulling wings off, and the more roundabout 
yet also more convenient in the future "custom access panel in the wing" 
trick and I decided that a solid wing is worth two access panels in the 
bush. I replaced the axle which had snapped on its outer end, quite 
violently, I might add (the snapping, not my replacing), leaving scars upon 
it's neighbors the stub axle and the drive flange. Satisfied with the 
amount of shrapnel removed from the moving parts I put all back together 
and all was good. And the gods smiled knowingly...

A quick call to my friend Bruce garnered a free replacement for the unruly 
Master of Cylinders a-which had been purchased so long ago, all of 9 
months...March 1996 to be exact. So let this be a lesson to you young Rover 
men, when the great Gods of Girling come a-calling, there is only one way 
to appease them, and that is not through the merciless bleeding of their 
consorts! Let them be free unto themselves and use Genuine (*Girling*) 
Parts! (I'm not but only because the replacement is free)
A seal kit will become part of my collection of spare parts. This will of 
course negate the need for one, ever...

Cheers and save those seals!
DaveB.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:49:25 +0000
From: "D.M.Phillips" <D.M.Phillips@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

Hi all.......

As a newcomer to this list I need your assistance.....

Our car ('87 Ford Escort - I know, I know!!) has just failed it's MOT -
bigtime. We've been quoted #350 for a load of under-side welding, so we
decided that it was time for it go.

So, what I need is 1-million-and-1 reasons that I can use to persuade
my  loving, wonderfull wife that we should choose a good-condtion SWB
SIII station-wagon over the #8000 new Peugoet 106. Obviously there's the
money aspect, but she's a canny one, my wife and won't easily be fobbed
off, I need to make a cast-iron-waterproof-100%-certain argument for why
we should choose a landy.

Personally, there's no contest, I'd have the landy in a flash (I've
liked them since I was 12, but have not managed to manouvre into getting
one yet!!). My wife's not anti-landy either, but she is tempted by the
hassle-free solution of buying a brand-new car, even though I'm quite
prepared to do maintenance myself, as I did with the Escort, except for
underside welding (no welder and no expertise - yet!).

So, if you could help I'd be most appreciative (it might be best to
reply direct to me rather than cluttering up the list with info that
everyone else already knows!!). Thanks in advance!!
-- 
--------------------------------------------
Duncan Phillips
Senior Technician/Network Supervisor
School of Computing (Stoke site)
Staffordshire University
UK

http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp
--------------------------------------------
"It can't rain all the time............"

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:00:09 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

>There's a Wilbur Smith book, I think it was one of his later Ballantyne
>series set in Zimbabwe. This ex-army veteran has a beat-up old lwb (II
>or III?) with no roof that he drives around Bulawayo. I can't remember
>much of the story now, but I think he only has one leg and this yacht he
>built in his back yard. Very good story!

Most of the Wilbur Smith novels set in modern Africa mention a Land_rover
or two.  In this case you're referring to part two of "The Angels Weep".
This book is preceded by "A Falcon Flies" (also released in the U.S. as
Flight of the Falcon") and "Men of Men" , and followed up by "The Leopard
Hunts in Darkness"

Unless your only goal is to read allusions to Land-Rovers, I'd highly
recommend reading them all in order, as it's a developing story line.

If you like the Ballantyne series there is also the Courtney series which
also traces the "history" of an African family dynasty.  There are also a
number of stand alone books--most set in Africa, but all good to excellent
if you enjoy adventure storys.

Buyers beware: the Wilbur Smith paperbacks are being rereleased in the U.S.
using slightly different titles.  I think that the original U.S. paperback
releases had been retititled, and that this is an attempt to bring the
catalog back in sync with the "World market", but it can be confusing.
It's possible to pick up an "original" book at a used book vendor, and then
the same book with a different title at the bookstore, so be cautious.

Read and RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:56:55 +0000
Subject: Re: New Weber carb!!

Hi as far as the free hubs go, I personaly don't like them because 
they are made of a softer material than the shaft. This means that 
the wear is great and the chance of them giving in just at that point 
in time that you nead them most is probbable. I stick with fixed hubs 
thank you.

Shaun

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <fishers@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:01:58 +0000
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

> Date:          Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:49:25 +0000
> From:          "D.M.Phillips" <D.M.Phillips@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> X-To:          Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> Subject:       Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

> Hi all.......
> From:          "D.M.Phillips" <D.M.Phillips@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> decided that it was time for it go.
> Duncan Phillips

A Peugeot will not go where a Landie will go

Shaun

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Date: 21 Jan 1997 08:54:09 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: SIII Frame Repairs

Hello All: 

I'm in the middle of a "holding action" with my SIII - not a true restoration,
just a major disassembly/derusting/painting project which will keep the old
truck ugly but serviceable, not unlike its owner.   Last weekend I pulled the
starboard wing, took off all the rusty "stuff" on that side and sandblasted it
- heater matrix, blower housing, bulkhead support, footwell etc.  

In the process I found some frame problems (big surprise) - the top of the box
section on the aft part of the wheel arch has separated from one side (about
1.5 inches), and a few large pinholes in the area where the brake lines mount
to the frame.  The frame is in pretty good shape otherwise - there's black
paint under the crud and a rotted outrigger was recently replaced - so I'd
like to repair the problems rather than trashing a pretty good frame.

Here's where I'd like some advice:  Is it reasonable/prudent for a
mechanically adept non-welder (e.g., me) to buy a small MIG welder and have a
go at these problems myself?  There's a MIG on sale here for 289 USD - it even
comes with a "how to" video.   Since I may find other frame problems as I
progress, I'd like to have the tools and skill to fix them rather than hauling
the carcass to a garage everytime I discover rot.   Am I getting in over my
head, or is this a relatively simple task?   And, can anyone recommend a book
which which discusses basic welding theory and practice?   

Any advice would be appreciated.

Jeff Jackson
'73 SIII 88" HT 
Waterford, CT

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:09:16 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

>I remember that one...vaguely.
>Wasnt that the story where he had the bloke stripping the Rover
>down to the chassis and rebuilding in over the weekend?Damned fast
>worker,
>..or a long weekend.

Actually, I think Mike may be referring to "Cry Wolf" in this case.  The
two heros' purchase some surplus armoured cars, not Land-Rovers, and repair
them to be sold, along with a cargo of guns,to Ethiopians fighting to stop
Mussolini's advance.  Of course, they also have to train the Ethiopians in
motorized cavalry tactics...and weapons use...and they both fall in love
with the same girl.  Another good read that's much faster than one of the
Ballantyne/Courtney novels.

I don't remember a Land-Rover being rebuilt in a Smith Novel, but it's sure
possible--there are an awful lot of them!

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: Alain-Jean PARES <Alain-Jean.Pares@InfoRoute.CGS.Fr>
Subject: RE: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:23:00 +0100

Remember, you said :
>even though I'm quite prepared to do maintenance myself, as I did with the 
Escort, except for underside welding (no welder and no expertise - yet!).

Be sure you will work !!!

Tell her you will get the top off during bright summer days...

Alain-Jean PARES
88 Serie III Diesel RHD
Paris, FRANCE

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 9:21:34 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

Simple:
#8000 Pee-You-Geot....Dead in 5 years
#8000 S3....No Doubts !

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:21:19 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

Hello Duncan!

Have a look to http://enviro.arcs.ac.at/peter-bin/LR/why.pl !

There you will find a collection of reasons collected by the members of this
list.

My best wishes
 Peter

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 9:40:51 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: SIII Frame Repairs

By all means buy yourself a MIG welder. These usually come with a flux 
core steel wire that is self shielding. In other words, to weld frame 
members, you don't need to buy the gas cylinder and attachment kit. The 
wire is readily available at your local welder's supply in 10 lb. spools. 
You can also use this welder to do aluminum repairs, but you'll need a 
bottle of argon, so there you go with the gas kit.
Welding frames is easy and you don't need to go to technical college at 
night to learn. 
You'll need a 4" angle grinder with a couple of disks, a wire wheel for 
same and some patching stock. A steel blade in your circular saw can be 
handy. Better yet, a sawzall with a couple of hack blades.
First of all, you have to remove all the rotten steel from the area to be 
patched. This is where that sawzall really helps. You could use the angle 
grinder as a cutter wheel, but it's slow.
Once the bad metal is out, grind the surrounding area down to shiny 
metal, at least an inch or so; you're going to want clean metal to attach 
the patch to. Cut the patch about 1/4 to 1/2 inch larger than the hole. 
Begin by tacking one corner. Continue to tack at 1.5 inch intervals. By 
doing this, you avoid warpage due to localized heating. Tack, tack, tack 
all the way 'round till you fill in the whole thing, then grind down the 
welds and check to see that the patch is solid. Yuo'll find that using a 
wire-feed welder is as easy as drawing with a pencil.

Next thing you know, you'll be fabbing a bull bar, winch mounts, 
high-lift jack brackets....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:49:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: ROVERABILITY (WAS Politically Correct PC)

In a message dated 97-01-20 15:36:07 EST, you write:

<< Maybe we should compile a list of other "Roverly-acceptable" products,
 we've been through cameras, we've almost milked computers for what they
 are worth, and beer isn't worth fighting about, so - how about the
 following candidates for "Roverability" ->>
 
>Audio systems
AM transistor radio
Gramophone	

>Tractors
I have a Ford, but would rather have a John Deere 

	
 >Musical instruments
Trombone  (simple and makes alot of noise)

>Clothing
Carhart's insulated coverall's (available at most tractor supply outlets) 
	
>Videotape formats
Stack of photos thumbed through very fast (like a deck of cards)
 
>Dog breeds
  Pembroke welsh corgi (he smells better than my chocolate lab) and hey, if
they're good enough for the queen...

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:54:44 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Hi all, I am new to the list but recognize a few names out there.

>I bought  a  military  5 spd  transmissions, LT 77, from Blue  Sky
>Rover.   This was out of  a  deisel 110  and after recieving  it I found
>that it would not work for my aplication .  Of course when I bought it I
>explained that it was for my 1982 Range Rover V8.
        Even if you said it was for your RR, if it was a V8, as all US Spec
ones are, he should not have sold you a short bellhousing gearbox unless
you did ask for it.
>The problem is the
>output shaft  length, whiich is shorter then the V8 version.
>Anyone out there have experience with the military LT77?  It is a late
>version,  probably 1990.  Can I exchange a V8 output shaft and have it
>mesh with the diesel gearbox mainshaft?
        You need more parts! The input shaft of the diesel LT77 is
different, as well as the bell housing. There are a few other bits as well.
If you purchase those parts, or pull them from an old gearbox, you can make
the changes to your box, but you'll need to be good with rebuilding
gearboxes. To even try and mate the diesel D110 gearbox to a Rover V8 you
would at the very least need a V8 adaptor. The bell housing bolt patterns
are radically different. Basically, as you are in the US where these
gearboxes are not common, try and return the gearbox for a V8 version. We
have V8 boxes, and I have to say if it were me, and you paid the shipping
and bought another V8 box, I'd think any company would exchange it, for the
one you need.
        If you want to use the one you have, you'll need the adaptor, and
have to move the gearbox forward *you won't be able to shift it if you do*,
or cut into the bulkhead and move the V8 back *like sticking one in a SIIA*
        Have fun!:-)

>Thanks in advance.
>Jim Pendleton
>Anyone out there have experience with the military LT77?  It is a late

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Restoration, Custom work, and More
               Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:50:05 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

I remember that one...vaguely.
Wasnt that the story where he had the bloke stripping the Rover
down to the chassis and rebuilding in over the weekend?Damned fast
worker,
>>..or a long weekend.
>Actually, I think Mike may be referring to "Cry Wolf" in this case.

No Jeff,definitely not Cry Wolf.I think the reference went something
like "It reminded him of the times in the past when he used to strip
his Land Rover completely over the weekend" etc etc.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:49:12 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: ROVERABILITY- Handguns

Hanguns:

        WEBLEY, .455 caliber. I prefer the Mark I (4" barrel) but the Mark
VI (6" barrel) is eminently suitable. These weapons have the stopping power
of a fist-sized boulder fired at 550FPS. They are greatly improved by
conversion to .45ACP or auto rim ammunition and mine have been fired at
1000FPS ( but normally only 800-850). The choice of ammo is much greater
and since the Webleys have a fairly limited collector value, you needn't
worry about "hacking" up a classic. The .455 ammo is very difficult to get
and expensive in any case.

        Other acceptable handguns would be .380 ENFIELD,.380 WEBLEY or
SMITH & WESSON. .45 COLT Single Action, M1917 .45  COLT or SMITH &
WESSON,.455 FOSBERY-WEBLEY, .450 ADAMS, M1911 COLT automatic (not M1911A1).

        Jim Allen

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:07:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

I've given this some serious thought and I think that, Series owners 
at least, probably should use punch card machines.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:03:58 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: New Weber carb!!

RE: Weber 34ICH Tuning

        1) Locate the brass plug on the bottom side pf the fuel inlet area
and remove it. Inside will be a screen. Remove the screen and reinstall the
plug. This screen tends to aerate the fuel and encourage vapor locking in
warm weather. Since you already have a fuel filter (a much finer filter
than the screen), the screen is superfluous.

        2) If you want to remove the oil bath air cleaner and replace it
with a K&N free-flow, you can pick up a bit more mid range and upper end,
Beware, however, with this setup you can easily over rev the engine. If you
don't have self control, leave the oil bath as a rev limiter.

2.25L Engines:
Zenith or Weber 34ICH (2-1/4" O.D. throat)-                           RU-0690
Solex (2-5/8" O.D. throat)                                            RU-2650
PVC equipped vehicles will also need a breather filter-               62-1320
(install on hose nipple on valve cover berather cap)

        3) The 34ICH flowed 138CFM on a recent flow bench test, compared to
127CFM for the Zenith and a 115CFM last place finish for the Solex.

        4) Fuel economy should be about the same as a Zenith or Solex in
good condition. With the K&N installed, it might be slightly more but with
the inaccurate speedos, it's hard to note a slight difference.
         With all the new power, you'll find yourself using that right
pedal a lot more. Don't start checking mileage until after about a month
has gone by and you are back to driving normally.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:06:33 -0400
From: jim <jim@kidd.com>
Subject: Land Rovers on TV

Hi all,

Did anyone catch the Discovery Channel show "The Travelers" yesterday? They
were in Belize for the Cashew Festival. While there they went on an
Eco-trip to see some kind of bird that lives in the lowlands. For
transportation they had a military 109" and a 101". It was really cool
because they kept getting stuck and had to snatch the 101" out of the mud
with the 109" several times. One of the locals had a big grin on his face
and was saying to one of the whining-pouting-frat boy americans "isn't this
fun?" I would have been having a blast. I was getting excited just
watching... anyway both vehicles ended up getting bogged down so they had
to walk. The frat-boy-like host whined and cmplained the whole time. Man, I
wish I had his job, traveling around the world and ridin' in Rovers... and
getting paid to do it!

By the way, I have just started a new job in Jacksonville, Florida
(Yipeee!) and will be unsubscribing from the list until I get settled.

Bye for now,

Jim karantinos
Tallahassee, FL (soon to be Jacksonville)
1960 SII 88" SW

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:18:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Back to the track...

Woo-boy! the list sure is straying!
In an attempt to 'get back in the ruts'-
I often feel I shouldn't post such things, but someone was asking about studs
and the manifold flange/head pipe of the exhaust. Heli-coils were suggested.
I found that 2 out of the 3 studs can be replaced with a "through" bolt and a
nut that locks it at the top. The stud on the inboard (block) side doesn't
allow this. Use the same thread size as the stud. Length of bolt is
important, and the lock nut might require slight filing across one of the
'flats' to fit. The nut also has to be held in place to receive the bolt, as
clearances might not allow spinning. I had a helicoil installed in the flange
a while back, and after it's failure, went this route, only as a 'temporary'
measure. It's lasted for a few years now. If you have to do your work outside
in the cold, you might want to try it, the stud hole will not be enlarged
more than a helicoil will require. When it's warmer out, you can repair it
'properly' if so wished. The other day I was ramming/mashing snow and the
head pipe started to leak so I'll replace it soon, but will most likely just
replace the fastening system as described above.
As a further alternative, good harware suppliers have single, even double,
oversize fittings. McGuckin's Hardware in Boulder, CO, used to save me all
the time when I lived there...
see 'ya on the old road...
jim  '61 LR 88" w/ OD, weber 1Bbl, 16", hubs (econobox?)
Bethel, Vt.
jdolan2109@aol.com
LR..."quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised"

P.S. Mac, Rollei, Canon, Airedales!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:29:28 -0700 (MST)
From: James Howard <jdh@sextans.lowell.edu>
Subject: Re: Literary Land Rovers

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, ROB MODICA wrote:

> Edward Abbey writes about driving into the Maze in Canyonlands Utah back in the
> early 60's in a Land Rover.  If I recall he says the owner would take that Land
> Rover places where horses didn't go.

What did he write?  The PO of my Land Rover, Rich Turner, loved to take 
it to Canyonlands.  Since it is a 72, I doubt he was there at the same 
time.  

James

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:33:25 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

>No Jeff,definitely not Cry Wolf.I think the reference went something
>like "It reminded him of the times in the past when he used to strip
>his Land Rover completely over the weekend" etc etc.

My apologies.  You're no doubt correct, and I'll just have to go back and
reread the book as penance.

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:42:32 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>I've given this some serious thought and I think that, Series owners
>at least, probably should use punch card machines.
>Tom Rowe

Showing your age Tom.Or did your dad tell you about 'em?
Always preferred paper tape meself.5 track Modified Murray
for simplicity.And a roomfull of second gen mainframe to
play with.After all,if computing is as important as they
say it is,then why not leave it to professionals?:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:57:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Mike Rooth wrote:

> Showing your age Tom.Or did your dad tell you about 'em?

	Not really, some places were pretty primative...

> Always preferred paper tape meself.5 track Modified Murray
> for simplicity.

	In school we used Teletype machine running at 110 baud (maybe,
	this was a variable baud rate), storing programmes on the paper tape.
	Punch cards were later, in university, which, when left for
	processing enabled some nasty people to do all sorts of naughty
	things through the insertion of JCL in the beginning of various
	card decks.

> play with.After all,if computing is as important as they
> say it is,then why not leave it to professionals?:-)

	Because MickeySofts says it is for all...  

	Rgds,

	PS.  Win95 won't recongnise my Teletype when I try and plug it in
	as a terminal.  Guess I should complain... :-)

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:06:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

> >I've given this some serious thought and I think that, Series owners
> >at least, probably should use punch card machines.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> >Tom Rowe
> Showing your age Tom.
Spot on, unfortunately.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 11:13:34 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Rover Love

>>> "It reminded him of the times in the past when he used to strip his Land 
>>>Rover completely over the weekend" 

Ah, poor, confused lad...
To each his own, I guess!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:37:25 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>        Because MickeySofts says it is for all...

Right.Its not important then:-)

Mike Rooth

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:39:45 -0600
Subject: re: cameras

The Land Rover of cameras without a doubt is the Pentax K1000. Super   
simple, very portable, needs no batteries, rugged as hell, and will take   
a damn nice photo if you treat it well and know what you're doing.

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com (only until the 25th) or harincar@camworks.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:04:48 -500
Subject: Pentax

Thanks Tim.  I agree with you on the LR/Pentax1000 analogy.  Mine has
been a great workhorse.  Now, who can tell me where to look for a
screw mount zoom lens?  All help appreciated.  Mark 

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:31:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: ROVERABILITY

In a message dated 20/01/97  20:36:07, it was written:

<< are worth, and beer isn't worth fighting about, so - how about the>>

As a lot of people on here are from the other side of the Atlantic your right
about them not having any beer worth fighting about.

<< following candidates for "Roverability" - >>
 
 	Audio systems                           In a Land Rover ???
 	Newspapers                               LROI
 	Tractors                                     do Land Rovers qualify
 	Furniture                                    Lumps of foam covered in
plastic held together
                                                                   with
sticky tape
 	Musical instruments                    Who has time for pass-times
 	Clothing                                      Overalls
 	Videotape formats                       Is there still a choice ??
 	Literature                                    LR manuals
 	Music                                         It doesn't matter as you
can't hear it with the 
                                                                     engine
running
 	Food                                           Anything you can hold in one
hand while your 
                                                                     using a
spanner with the other
 	Dog breeds                                  Newfoundland 

Regards

Jamie

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:45:52 -0500
From: William Mitchell <bill@whm-atty.com>
Subject: Series IIA Heater

Recently bought an early ('65) Series IIA 5-door 109 which didn't have a
heater installed.  What are the options and costs?  What should I look
for should I find a used one?  Thanks for any help.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Mitchell, Jr.          e-mail:  bill@whm-atty.com
ph:  (413) 256-0600               fx:  (413) 256-0654
------------------------------------------------------------

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:51:41 -0500
Subject: Re: lpg conversion

About lpg in alloy v8s

I was also wondering about the valve seats for LPG.  
Supposedly the chamber runs somewhat hotter on LPG, and according
to my LPG book, hardened seats are almost a must.  I understand that
only in late 80's the 3.5s seats became decent.  Also, they are of
"interference" design (well, I think "crush" is more appropriate), where
the seats are 45deg, and the valves are 46.  This supposedly is a very
bad idea for an LPG motor.

Any 1st hand experience w. valve problems on LPG?
thanks
Jan

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 20:16:07 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

D.M.Phillips wrote:
> underside welding (no welder and no expertise - yet!).

Sorry Duncan,

You make a fairly compelling case otherwise but I'm afraid this one
point - "no welder" - disqualifies you from Landy ownership. Come back
when you're suitably equipped.

Just kidding - Good luck.

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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From: uhm@bullshot.u-net.com (george)
Subject: Distro
Date: 	Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:31:09 +0000

Please take me off this distro, your automatic
unsubscribe message DOES NOT WORK, and I cannot
therefore get off the distro.

Keeps telling me I am not in the Distro !!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------
George Doors     

uhm@bullshot.u-net.com  
-------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:52:33 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492)
Subject: Finger in the dyke

Adrian opens the floodgates.

> How about the following candidates for "Roverability" -

> Audio systems, Newspapers, Tractors, Furniture, Musical instruments, Clothing,
> Videotape formats, Literature, Music, Food, Dog breeds.

Nooo ! there are newsgroups for these things, if you want to talk about these 
subjects - _please_ do it there !!!!!!

Here we have the final refuge of the Rovernut, pitted balls, dodgy halfshafts, 
weak SIII transmissions.....err....486 PC's

So unless it's Audio systems (where to mount the CB), Newspapers (XXXLRW LRO), 
Tractors (4x4xbigwheels), Furniture (RiceBurner seats), Musical instruments 
(tailgate chains), Clothing (oily), Videotape formats (LR sightings), Literature
(workshop manual), Music (loose body panels), food (zinc plated), Dog breeds 
(Rover)  I'll subscribe to rec.cooking until normality returns to the list.

Oh ok then, I won't

Paul"toothless tiger"W

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:17:13 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series IIA Heater
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William Mitchell wrote:
> Recently bought an early ('65) Series IIA 5-door 109 which didn't have
a
> heater installed.  What are the options and costs?  What should I look
> for should I find a used one?  Thanks for any help.

My '65 IIA came with the forced-air heater that J.C. Whitless sells for
VW bugs.  It works quite well.

C

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should I look<BR>
&gt; for should I find a used one?&nbsp; Thanks for any help.<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>My '65 IIA&nbsp;came with the forced-air heater that J.C. Whitless
sells for VW bugs.&nbsp; It works quite well.</DT>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:18:00 -0800
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series IIA Heater
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

The down-side about the VW bug heater is that the fittings are probably
metric, so if you do that, then you'll have THREE types of bolts!
ARRRRG!

C

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<DT>The down-side about the VW bug heater is that the fittings are probably
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ARRRRG!</DT>

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<DT>C&nbsp;</DT>

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:40:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Series IIA Heater

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Chris Dow wrote:

> The down-side about the VW bug heater is that the fittings are probably
> metric, so if you do that, then you'll have THREE types of bolts!
> ARRRRG!

	Three?  You should have Whitworth (gearbox etc), BSF/UNF (most
	common), British Pipe (engine temp, etc), BA (Lucas bits) on
	your Series vehicle to start.  Add metric if you have a stage one.
	You obviously have not taken enough of you vehicle apart yet,
	misplaced nuts and bolts, tried others...  :-)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:38:43 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Finger in the dyke

Ummm...check your spelling of the word "dyke". If I'm not mistaken it's 
with an i.
Your version, however, is a good deal funnier.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:52:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Finger in the dyke

This *subject header* should be in a different newsgroup. 
Still laughing,
Blair

At 07:52 PM 1/21/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Adrian opens the floodgates.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>> How about the following candidates for "Roverability" -
>> Audio systems, Newspapers, Tractors, Furniture, Musical instruments,
Clothing,
>> Videotape formats, Literature, Music, Food, Dog breeds.
>Nooo ! there are newsgroups for these things, if you want to talk about these 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Tractors (4x4xbigwheels), Furniture (RiceBurner seats), Musical instruments 
>(tailgate chains), Clothing (oily), Videotape formats (LR sightings),
Literature
>(workshop manual), Music (loose body panels), food (zinc plated), Dog breeds 
>(Rover)  I'll subscribe to rec.cooking until normality returns to the list.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Oh ok then, I won't
>Paul"toothless tiger"W
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1972 Land Rover 88
1967 FLH HD

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Subject: Re: Distro
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 22:13:45 -0000
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>Please take me off this distro, your automatic
>unsubscribe message DOES NOT WORK, and I cannot
>therefore get off the distro.

send an mail to majordomo@playground.sun.com with help in the body (not 
in subject, so)

maybe this will help you.....

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:22:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Diesel sounding 3.9 V8

Wow, for a minute I thought someone had solved my fuel consumption problem by
slipping a diesel into the engine bay of my 110 while I was away.

I was gone for 4ish weeks, and upon my return I reconnected the battery,
checked fluids (saw the same ol' engine in there) and proceeded to crank the
starter motor. I did that for about 5 seconds, thinking it wouldn't start
until the fuel pressure built up. Didn't start. So I tried again for just a
second or so. Then I remembered that the fuel pump was disconnected (to
discourage unwanted rides). Reconnect that. Heard the pump buzzing and turned
the key. 

it starts right up... sounding louder that a TDI. The service and check
lights come on... my heart stops for second... my brain remembers the cost of
a short-block... look over at the oil pressure-zero- but it was to the full
mark... oh no...

After 2.3 seconds the lifters get the necessary oil pressure and all's back
to normal. I guess it would have been like that for longer had I not cranked
the engine without the starter first. Makes me remember the custom pre-oiler
in my old VW-->Hold oil button for 4-6 seconds for oiling, starter button for
2-3 and pump gas pedal twice, then flick on ignition switch, tap starter
button. Seemed like a decent (though long) way of starting an engine... my
mechanic back then said it was good tlc for old tech motors. Any pro/con
comments on pre-oilers? I understand an available option also heated the oil
while pumping it through.

pat
93  110

------------------------------

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:59:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Distro & other distraught surfers.

I see these on our list occasionally and I wonder as to what *degree of
despair* they arrive at in trying to unsubscribe. "AAArrrrgh!, how on earth
did I get on a LR mailing list. Get me off of here, I drive a Wrangler...
 who signed me up for this?!"

<<Please take me off this distro, your automatic
unsubscribe message DOES NOT WORK, and I cannot
therefore get off the distro.
Keeps telling me I am not in the Distro !!!!!!!!
-------------------------------------------------
George Doors>>

What *are* these people thinking? Can't get off a list... probably the same
people who have trouble merging on and off the freeway. The major hasn't yet
barfed at anything I've sent. BTW, I've noticed that there is a
L-R-O@playground.sun.com, and a Majordomo@playground.sun.com.sun.com. Why the
extra .sun.com? All I know is the major works great when it does, and I wait
like a heroin junkie waiting for a fix when its down (rare that it is)...

pat.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:14:57 -0400
From: jim <jim@kidd.com>

unsubscribe eric.starr@furman.edu

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:14:33 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: ROVERABILITY (WAS Politically Correct PC)

I would have to propose the Ferguson 31 Petrol or 35 diesel as a Series
compatible tractor candidate - mine's from 1952 or 53 (coronation
version?), with all original parts except for distributor and plugs -
anyone have a pair of headlights that aren't rusted through?

As one can't buy the East Anglian Times or today's Guardian here in
Denmark, i'd have to plump for Herald Tribune (soaks oil up wonderfully)

And maybe an original eddystone HF set would be a suitable audio rig for
the Series III?

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:06:35 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

If you want a car which you can keep for years, because it's part of
your family, then buy a Land Rover

If you want a car which will be worth more, look better, work better, in
ten years time, than it is now, buy a Land Rover - but be prepared to
buy what looks like a corrosive, leaking, smoking, noisy wreck on four
wheels, and don't be put off by this vision, after you have put a few
thousand hours into the car, it will live up to these expectations.

If you doubt this, look at the many photos which subscribers to this
list have on their homepages - most were probably in despicable
condition when the bought them, today they are something to be proud of
- and when you have put that much of yourself into your car, it will be
Yours, and you will have had years of fun, made many friends, and never
want to part with it.

I wanted a brand new car for years, could never afford one. When I
finally bought a new van for my company, direct from the factory (VW) I
discovered that it felt like a new vehicle for about three months, after
which it was as used as anything on the road, today its just another 8
yr old bus, which I have no interest in repairing, prefering to send it
to the authorised dealer for a service and a rip-off invoice afterwards.

On the other hand, my rovers give me hours of endless pleasure, and
provide me with a relaxing distraction from other problems, professional
and private.

If you just want to get from A to B - buy a car, thrash it, sell it, and
buy another. If you want more than that - buy a Land Rover.

It's like the difference between a walkman and a piano.

Good luck - and hopefully - welcome to the club!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:56:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Politically Correct PCs

There is only one true and proper computer for the real Land Rover fanatic!
How could so many of you have missed this?
Where is your brand loyalty?

A true Land Rover fanatic would only use a Lucas personal computer.  These
were good enough for British Leyland (thus accounting for their success) and
they should be good enough for you!  This superior computer's familiar and
comforting features can easily be recognized:

  1.  Oil spots underneath the computer.
  2.  Random and intermittent malfunction.
  3.  Cloth wrapped insulation on the internal wiring.
  4.  Positive grounding (earthing) system.
  5.  Abundant chassis vents to let out the smoke.
  6.  Make strange noises while operating and/or just after shut-off;
      snapping and crackling sounds which may, or may not, precede smoke.
  7.  Removable bit bucket which must be manually emptied by operator.
  8.  Frequent maintenance and tinkering required.
  9.  Aluminum alloy cover on steel substructure with oxidized finish.
 10.  Genuine BL, pre-Japanese, quality control.
 11.  High capacity head-per-track drum memory.

Lucky owners have the deluxe model which was built on a tuesday or wednesday
and thus seem to work better.  Lucas computers use the quirky Prince of
Darkness Operating System.  PoDOS was written by geniuses who still believe
in Pounds, Shillings, Pence, feet, inches, yards, miles and gallons.

Please note that I am not affiliated in any way with any of these firms.

Paul "get home before dark" Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:04:11 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: brake check tip

Howdy,

Have a tip some of you may not know on checking where the problem is on weak
brakes. As you may recall, I am having problems with the brake
travel/spongyness on my 88. Having replace all brake components at the wheel
and bleeding extensively, I figured that the problem may still be in the
master cylinder (which was supposedly rebuilt!). Take off the hose from m.
cylinder to the brakes and screw in a bolt with the same thread count. Make
sure it is tight and leakproof. Then step on the brake pedal. If it isn't
hard right away, I figured it has some air in the m. cylinder. This can be
carefully bled by slightly unscrewing the bolt while gently pushing down on
the pedal. Then while still gently pushing down tighten that bolt down again.

Now step on the pedal and if your foot moves to the floor at all you know
you have leakage past the recuperating seal in your m. cylinder and it needs
to be rebuilt.

Hope this helps

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 01:16:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Persuasion URGENTLY NEEDED!!!

A former colleague of mine bought a 106 with butt-heaters and stereo 
and everything. Shortly after he experienced electrical problems. He 
took the dash apart and found two Ducellier (Lucas family member i 
think) relays dangling from the wires.

Land Rover electrics and brakes are also made by the Lucas clan but 
it's much easier to take apart and the parts are much, MUCH cheaper.

Good luck
 
sv/aurens

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:36:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PCs

Paul "get home before dark" Donohue:
 
>   1.  Oil spots underneath the computer.
>   2.  Random and intermittent malfunction.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>   9.  Aluminum alloy cover on steel substructure with oxidized finish.
>  10.  Genuine BL, pre-Japanese, quality control.
>  11.  High capacity head-per-track drum memory.

12. Chain driven CPU-fan.
13. "D" models has galvanised turbo button.
14. Clutch operated file transfer.
15. Yellow button for heavy math operation.
16. Four speed CD-ROM drive (sync. on 3/4)
17. Performance display on front panel. Check weekly to ensure that 
cable is firmly attached.
18. Split screen video.
19. Kenlowe 22A PSU cooling fan.
20. Microsoft compatible mouse. Was Mouse systems compatible but 3'rd 
button came off during QC. If mouse is missing, check inside the PSU 
housing. If fan is running Mouse may be Mac compatible.
21. PoDOS upgradeable to Sliding Windows.
22. Air portable Lightweight laptop edition available for military 
application. Perfect  for clandestine operations due to it's self 
destruction capabilities.
23. CAV  Printaux D printing system. 75 x 82 7/16 DPI. Use only DOT 3 
printing fluid.

Goodnight
sv/aurens

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:43:55 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Diesel sounding 3.9 V8

>I was gone for 4ish weeks, and upon my return I reconnected the battery,
>it starts right up... sounding louder that a TDI. The service and check
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>to normal. I guess it would have been like that for longer had I not cranked
>the engine without the starter first.

Pat,

         What type of oil filter do you have? If it's not a factory or a
Fram (now that we've established that Fram PH8As have an anti-drainback
valve),sounds your oil pump lost it's prime prime. This is relatively
common for a Rover V8 to lose prime if allowed. Even if the filter you have
may be equipped with the valve, it may not be working.When did you change
it last. An sound of an oil starved engine is like fingernails on a
blackboard.Arrrgh!
        Incidentally, sometimes they will never prime. At my old dealer, we
got the occasional Range Rover "ahnger queen that wouldn't prime. At first,
we use to disassemble and pack the oil pump with Vaseline but later found
that our pre-luber plugged into the oil pressure sender did it faster. You
took about 3000 miles off you bearings there, Pat!

        Jim Allen

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:04:00 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: New LR Website

Hi All,

        I want to announce that before long, Four Wheeler will be hosting a
Land Rover page on their Website. Yours truly is to be the host. As many of
you know, Four Wheeler is the most Rover-friendly of the USA magazines.
Totally devoted to the green oval, the site will feature articles (some
reprinted from the magazine and some fresh), Aftermarket Product News, Land
Rover News, a version of Four Wheeler's "Old News" devoted to Land Rovers
and a tech column, in which I get to wrestle with your technical questions.
There will also be a "Reader's Rover's" section in which a few of your
trusty Land Rovers can be featured.
        It has often been lamented that North Americans don't have a
dedicated Land Rover magazine. I hope you will regard this as the next best
thing.
        The Four Wheeler Website can be found at http://www.fourwheeler.com.
Have a look, there's lots-o-good stuff. The new site should be online
within a month but I'll keep y'all posted. Items of information, tech
questions, flaming, comments, etc. should be directed to my home address,
fax line or e-mail shown below. I'll repeat this message several times and
pass the news around!

                Jim Allen
                2828 Oxford Avenue
                Grand Junction, CO 81503
                (970) 257-7521 fax
                jimallen@onlinecol.com, e-mail

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:20:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Finger in the dyke

Bill are you sure she`s a dyke and  a finger too?
                                                         Rick

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From: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 19:29:07 -0700
Subject: Re: New LR Website

Either my memory is astonishingly good and I have to wonder what happened to  
all those other things I was supposed to remember, or you're posting this  
message in much too frequently intervals and are about to cross the boundaries  
of being a nuisance.

Best regards across the state,
Chris

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:04:00 -0700, jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen) wrote:
> I'll repeat this message several times and pass the news around!
--
Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>, Ft.Collins, CO
"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious." - unknown

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:40:06 -0500 (EST)
From: dcockey@tir.com (dcockey)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Heater

>My '65 IIA came with the forced-air heater that J.C. Whitless sells for
>VW bugs.  It works quite well.

Okay, how does a heater for an aircooled VW bug work on a water cooled LR?
Similar to a Ford Model A exhaust manifold heater?

The original options for IIAs were the round Smiths shin roaster (very
expensive if you find one new), a flat Smiths recirc heater, a Smiths fresh
air heater similar to the SIII, and the Kodiak in various versions. 

Regards,
David Cockey
'60 SII Pickup w/ round Smiths heater
'60 SII SW w/ Kodiak Mk I heater

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:58:58 -0500 (EST)
From: dcockey@tir.com (dcockey)
Subject: Re: Silicone Brake Fluid (contact failure)

Silicone brake fluid may be incompatible with hydraulic pressure accuated
brake light switches as used 'till '68. This is from my memory of a short
piece by a British sports car owner in "British Car" several years ago.
Several brake light switches failed in succession after switching to
silicone fluid. He claimed to have found some GE literature about the
dielectric properties of silicone fluids which warned against their use with
submerged contacts. Erosion of the contacts can result when the contact
open. He claimed failure took a year or so to happen. I don't have any other
information, but this sounds plausible.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:48:16 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: RR Engine Problems (was new-RR eek!)

>miles, not having to worry about the bottom end, etc., but I can't afford 
>that now--so I would just have to park it for who knows how long. So if I 
>go with the existing motor which cam should I use?

Jason,

I would go with the factory item. The worst thing that could happen is to
install the Crane cam then find out it isn't quite right. => more expense!

Those second hand prices seem quite dear.  I have been previously quoted a
full rebuild by a Rover specialist (who is very very good) for AU$4000,
including boring to 3.9L, new clutch, new hoses, new water pump etc.

Cheers.  Tony.

*********************************************************************

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

**********************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:39:38 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: 1959 Land Rover Series I 107?

>BTW, if you vehicle was built in 1959, it can't be a Series I or a 107" - 
>the last 107" pickups were built in 1956, and the last Series I was built in 
>1958. If you post your VIN and/or engine number, I am sure you would get a 
>few hundred answers as to which year your car was built (I would be the 
>last, I'm on the digest). Was it first registered in 1959?

Peter -

You're right.  The title says it was built in August 1958.  The VIN is
114802715 (the "8" indicating 1958, according to the FAQ).  It measures 109
inches from center to center on the hubs, and is a Series I (it has flat
doors with the extra panel below the side windows).  I'm not sure why I keep
refering to it as a 107 (except I see the workshop manual that came with it,
which is title "Series I 86 and 107").  Anyway, I owe an apology to BritPac
for insisting it was a 107 when ordering parts, probably causing no end of
confusion.  Page 5, "Land Rover Series II and IIa 1958-1971," Brooklands
Books, indicates the 107 station wagon continued into production into 1958.
That makes it appear there was a 1958 Series I 107, a 1958 Series I 109, and
a 1958 Series IIa 109!  Thanks for your comments.  BTW, thanks for info on
shocks, one old shock had some resistance on the stretch, but the other is
limp.  Will probably go with the Gabriels, cheap and available locally.

                                                                        Denny

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:47:13 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Namibia?

(long shot):  If there is anybody on the list who lives in Namibia or
goes there frequently, could you please email me directly?

(water to the fire): I use OS/2, NT, Linux and AIX regularly (and have
used Macs)...and I think they all suck because they all are examples of
modern technology--something my LR is a statement against.

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" SW Diesel )

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From: "jean gruneberg" <grunberg@iafrica.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:01:46 +0200
Subject: LROCSA KwaZulu-Natal Home page

Hi all

Just a short note to say that the clubs home page is up and running. 
http://www.dbn.lia.net/users/landrover/

As with all new pages it is still under construction.  Any comments are 
most welcome.

Thanx
Jean
PRO LROCSA KZN

_______________________________________________________
Jean Andre Gruneberg

ph 031 295 252
c-ph 082 551 8433
fax 031 3003030
e-mail grunberg@iafrica.com    

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 02:30:43 -0600
From: Nathaniel Council <council@gcnet.com>
Subject: PC, The Universe, and Everything

MAKE IT STOP! This is the LAND-ROVER list. I am regretful now for
egging on this war. Well how about we call it even and make it stop. We
all have our favorite toys, but on this list we gloat over the size of
our repair bill, not bicker over such trivial things. GROW UP AND GET
OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

			Nate
1977 S111

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:41:00 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Namibia?

(water to the fire): I use OS/2, NT, Linux and AIX regularly (and have
used Macs)...and I think they all suck because they all are examples of
>modern technology--something my LR is a statement against.
>- Iwan Vosloo

Well said that man!!!!

Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:44:22 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: PC, The Universe, and Everything

. GROW UP AND GET
>OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
>                        Nate
>1977 S111

Confucious he say..."Rules say man got to grow old.Rules *dont* say he
got to grow up".

Mike Rooth

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:42:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

   How many PC companies have had trouble other than IBM (for
   
the same reasons as Mac NO VISION).

that is a rather absurd statement for somone whose OS is the mac 
interface circa 1989 (WIN95)

i know this thread should die, but i like being told what computer to use
even less than i like being told what car to drive....

different boxes for different purposes... 
i wouldnt want to image process on a PC anymore than i would want to race a
diesel 109SW in the indy 500  *any excuse to get to drive Bill Adams' 109 :)
* see there was LR content after all!

rgds,
spenny

69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway

use a mac at work, might as well have a mac at home........

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:47:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Literary L/R's

in, A Winters Tale, by Ann Cleeves, a little green land rover is mentioned
several times where on a desolate english farm where a murder takes place and
the later arrival of the police land rover

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:42:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Distro & other distraught surfers.

In a message dated 21/01/97  22:12:22, you write:

<< What *are* these people thinking? Can't get off a list... probably the
same
 people who have trouble merging on and off the freeway. The major hasn't yet
  >>

And I thought he just couldn't get off his Disco......  (obviously needs one
of them ladders on the back door like on the Camel Trophy Disco's).

Regards

Jamie

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 10:15:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Stuart HOTCHKISS @AEO" <HOTCHKISS@A1_ANNECY.FRMRC.AEO.mts.dec.com>
Subject: Quality

Can any of you LR fans tell me who I should contact at LR to get the rust
problems on my Discovery fixed?I am in the endless loop of dealer/LR each 
telling me to contact the other and I want action.FYI,the car has 35000kms
and was bought new.Rust is all over the chassis and all body joints.

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