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From: Adrian Beaumont <ADRIAN@atd.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:11:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Movie sighting

Please unsubscribe alan@atd.co.uk from your list immediately.

Adrian Beaumont.

Mail Administrator

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Subject: Mac vs PC
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:20:29 EST

Listen:
PC:Mac=VHS:Beta

Mark.

Just adding some fuel to the fire...

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Subject: Re: Mac vs PC
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 14:33:22 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>Mark.
>Just adding some fuel to the fire...

Please don't

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Subject: Looking for 200 TDi and gearbox
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 14:44:05 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Hi all,

I'm looking for a 200 TDi and gearbox for my 2.5D 110 StaWag. My old 2.5D 
was not treated very well by the previous owner and is now smoking, 
rattling, the pulley on the crank is loose, he's leaking (but wich engine 
is not leaking), I'm paying for fuel as if I had a petrol.

I can spend a lot to redo the engine, but I also want some more power for 
better cruising-speed and better mpg.

Anyone?

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: 20 Jan 1997 14:29:45 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Just thought I would register my support for a 'list' sticker,
to add to the support. 
Mathew & Bertha (1968 SIIA 88") (still with poorly clutch, Yes I know,
but I spend yesterday under the old girl disconnecting handbrake and
propshafts)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 07:26:27 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Brake fluids 

Iwan asks (snip):
>The other loose end was raised by Jim Wolf (Fri, 13 Sep 1996).  He
>inquired about the use of Silicon Brake fluids (Dot 5).  He wanted to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>rubber used on the seals of LR's (either EPDM or SBR?).  
>2) So: did anybody?
I've been using Silicone brake fluid for about 5 years. I put it in during a 
complete brake system overhaul (my 3rd). It has worked just fine.

Having said that, I'll offer a couple warnings to discourage others: 1)all 
the sliding rubber parts (master and slave cylinder cups) must be coated in 
silicone grease, requiring disassembly, and 2)the stuffs' too bloody expensive.
I do not believe it offers any performance advantage, and Castrol-Girling 
dot-4, changed every year, should work just as well. Next time I rebuild my 
system, I'll change back to Girling.
If you don't change your Dot4 fluid periodically, water will collect in the 
lowest parts of the system (the wheel cylinders) and they will corrode. 
Since water floats on top of the Silicone fluid, where it can be removed by 
dipping a paper towel in the reservoir, this shouldn't be a problem.
>I also have a third (and hopeless) question for owners of Left hand
>drive vehicles:  Is there any easy way (read: trick) to get access to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>and then the clutch pedals completely and then worked on it 'on the
>bench' as they say...

I remove the fender first. It only takes about 5 minutes now that the 
fasteners are rust free.
Of course, these are only my opinions,
Cheers,
John Ousterhout
'64 109 diesel

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Date: 20 Jan 1997 14:30:29 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Just thought I would register my support for a 'list' sticker,
to add to the support. 
Mathew & Bertha (1968 SIIA 88") (still with poorly clutch, Yes I know,
but I spend yesterday under the old girl disconnecting handbrake and
propshafts)

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Date: 20 Jan 1997 14:30:50 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stickers

Just thought I would register my support for a 'list' sticker,
to add to the support. 
Mathew & Bertha (1968 SIIA 88") (still with poorly clutch, Yes I know,
but I spend yesterday under the old girl disconnecting handbrake and
propshafts)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:50:59 -6
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

Hmmm. I've been driving Land Rovers for about 20 years. During that 
time people have demonstrated their ignorance about them, asked why I 
was driving one since "no-one drives them anymore" and even claimed 
that they weren't going to be made anymore.
All the while I kept plugging away in mine, could customize it the way I 
wanted, and took it places I wouldn't trust other 4wd's.
I use OS/2.
(Hope you geeks out there appreciate analogy)  :-)

ps This isn't part of a OS war or flame fest (in fact I wasn't going 
to respond), I just decided to make what I consider a humorous 
analogy. I know that operating systems seem to elicit even more 
fanatacism than 4WD's, so this is my *only* post related to the 
subject.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:57:14 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Macs & LR's

>It makes sense for Land Rover owners to drive PCs.

>If you own an obsolete 4x4 that works half the time, is incredibly complex
>to keep running, requires an endless supply of arcane knowledge, breaks
>down whenever you fix something, and won't do a whole lot of different
>jobs, you probably will be satisfied with the hopelessly obsolete sixties
>technology of  DOS computers.

Unfortunately, the time spent ^%*%ing around with PC's and trying to
install new drivers, updates, etc. would be better spent working on the
money pit in the driveway.........Macs are the only way to go for
elegance, and what is more elegant than driving around in your LR?

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:03:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Paul Nash wrote:

> However, my vote for a Land-Rover computer would have to be the NeXT.  

	I understand NeXt has been bought by Apple.

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Subject: PC v Mac - evens
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 16:00:02 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

This post contains even less LR content than before . . .

My little thoughts posted just a couple of days ago have generated more 
response than any previous posting to this group and they had nothing to 
do with Landrovers. Of all the replies I got we use Macs and PCs about 
the same. 11/10

There seems to be a certain prejudice against the machines we don't own. 
In my mind the same as situation persists in 4x4 market. I drive a 
Landrover and certainly would not change it for a Japanese pretender - 
but then again I have driven others and I have formed my opinion through 
experience.

In order of preference, if I could not have a Landrover I would choose a 
swb Shogun (Pajero) next, then a Range Rover (old style) then a Marin 
Mountain Bike then a good pair of Timberland Boots.

Simon Ward-Hastelow
'85 110 V8 CSW

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From: "Tim Rushton" <tim@pavilion.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:58:45 -0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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> Hey, who cares!!??
> A little bit of non-Rover content is good, but this escalating Mac-PC war
is
> not good!
> It works.  It's not relevant.

Well said Tony, any computer is just a dumb-ass box of tricks which can do
sums quickly.

Let's get back to the real point - as in the attached picture (my babe 1978
Siii babe)

Tim.
>.
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From: "Tim Rushton" <tim@pavilion.co.uk>
Subject: MAC / PC nonsense
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:01:20 -0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> Hey, who cares!!??
> A little bit of non-Rover content is good, but this escalating Mac-PC war
is
> not good!
> It works.  It's not relevant.

Well said Tony, any computer is just a dumb-ass box of tricks which can do
sums quickly.

Let's get back to the real point - as in the attached picture (my babe 1978
Siii babe)

Tim.
..

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:09:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: MAC / PC nonsense

	A lot of people may be displeased by the huge attachment.  Generally,
	IMHO, jpegs should be made available via web or ftp.  Putting them
	in a message where people download mail via a slow modem, may be
	paying for access, may make them rather steamed.  Not everyone here
	has the dedicated, super fast access that some of us have.
	
	PS, my system said it was mime.  That means zip for people with mime
	nonaware mailers, yet a long download time.

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From: "Robert Bell" <tradica@netzone.com>
Subject: Dirt Cheap Defender
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:47:18 -0700

1994 Yellow Defender 90
My best offer has been $22,800
pictures and info
http://www.goodnet.com/~tayto/r/x.htm	
call me 
602 - 990 - 0387
(Sorry to post ad to lists, but tuition is due soon)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:49:28 -0800
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

Hey Nate,  no Mac bashing here please. Not only are there Mac users in the
group, but there are quite a few Apple employees as well.
Those of us that prefer to use the Mac know that it is a better machine ;^)

(no flames please) The Mac, like the Land-Rover is a great machine that
hasn't had the best marketing there is to offer, I am sad to say that I
have been converted to a pentium at work just to keep the lawyers happy. I
think that it basicly sucks for what I do(Tech illustration) The same
program on a PC is slower and the comparable programs on the PC are even
worse. Luckilly I still use my mac as a monitor stand, and switch back to
it for the important stuff.
Paul

>Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
>> Just a personal question - do we all use PCs or are there also Mac owners
>> in the Landrover Comunity.
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 24 lines)]
>> "DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW (24mpg)
 __________________________________

>        Obviously you have some taste, You own a rover. Now why would you go
>and ruin all hope by ADMITTING that you own a Mac? I was almost forced
>to tears. On another note would anyone be able to point me to the
>nearest LR dealer, I'm looking for a Discovery.
>___________________________________________________________________

>                        Nate Council

Paul Archibald
Paarch@ix.netcom.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....slowly, but surely
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)
Fly yellow '92 Ducati 750SS

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From: Christian Kuhtz <kuhtz@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 10:47:40 -0700
Subject: Re: MAC / PC nonsense

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:09:07 -0500 (EST), Dixon Kenner  
<dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

> PS, my system said it was mime.  That means zip for people with mime
> nonaware mailers, yet a long download time.

And it makes it even worse if the attachments are in base64, which is not  
nearly as widely supported as uuencoded attachments.  Even the ones with  
superfast links might get pissed off because of that. ;-)

Regards,
--
Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>
"Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious." - unknown

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From: "Tim Rushton" <tim@pavilion.co.uk>
Subject: oops!
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:01:57 -0000

looks like I committed a bit of a net-protocol gaffe.
ok, sorry boys, I'll save the JPEGs for newsgroups & ftp sites, but she is
a truly gorgeous vehicle - have a look at a slightly different version of
the pic at http://www.pavilion.co.uk/users/tim.

Tim.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:10:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>  PS. I have nothing at all against Mac's. I just pretend they don't 
>  exist. >>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Nate
> NADdMD@aol.com
Not a chance... Mac owners are way  to loyal a bunch to ever have that
happen. Apple is still making $$$$ so I think the future of the Mac is
safe.

Russ W.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:14:07 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: ROVERABILITY (WAS Politically Correct PC)

As an avid PC user, I am not always the greatest supporter of the
growing microsoft monopoly - but it seems that Bill Gates must be a Land
Rover Owner - just look at his slogan "Where do you want to go today".

OK - for users of the World Wide Wait, we should probably have decided
last thursday where we want to go today, but then, if we were on M*c,
there's no guarantee that the platform would exist when we got where we
wanted to be. M*c slogan should maybe be "..And how do you expect to get
back"

I really don't see the problem with the PC, one of mine started life as
a 386 sx and is now a 486 dx-4, soon to be a pentium something-or-other.
I don't mind built in obsolesence, if I can restore it one bit at a
time. Even a "frame-over" is not outside the realms of possibility.

Maybe we should compile a list of other "Roverly-acceptable" products,
we've been through cameras, we've almost milked computers for what they
are worth, and beer isn't worth fighting about, so - how about the
following candidates for "Roverability" -

	Audio systems
	Newspapers
	Tractors
	Furniture
	Musical instruments
	Clothing
	Videotape formats
	Literature
	Music
	Food
	Dog breeds

It may not prove that we are all the same, but an insight into our
respective weaknesses is both humourous and informative, if the past
weeks postings are anything to go by!	

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:16:44 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Shock Absorbers

Dennis E. Renken asked:

>Work is moving along on my new Series I (1959) 107" pickup, but I need a
>little help.   
<snip>
>Can anyone recommend a good brand/part number for (cheap but respectable)
>shocks, front and back, that will fit this critter?  

Are you sure you need to replace the shocks? They get very little in the way 
of work, and many old ones are still pretty good. Apparently the thing to do 
is to give them a good workout by taking them off the vehicle and working 
them a few dozen times. Maybe twist the lower end every now and then until 
you have it back in position, i.e. go through a full 360 degrees while 
expanding and compressing the shock. This might make them "as new".

Here are some aftermarket numbers I gleaned from the net a while ago - they 
are for later vehicles, but might still fit:

     Shock Absorber 88" Front          RTC-4230   Gabriel G53494, Rancho* RS5163
     Shock Absorber 88" Rear           RTC-4232   Gabriel G53299, Rancho RS5169
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Front    RTC-4234   Gabriel G63494
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Rear     RTC-4235   Gabriel G63299
     Shock Absorber 109" Front        RTC-4483   Rancho RS5119(was RS5164)
     Shock Absorber 109" Rear         RTC-4442   Rancho RS5117
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Front   RTC-4484   Rancho RS5164
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Rear   RTC-4236   Rancho RS5157
     Steering Stabilizer                      STC-786    Rancho RS5402

     *Rancho Customer Service 310-630-0700

BTW, if you vehicle was built in 1959, it can't be a Series I or a 107" - 
the last 107" pickups were built in 1956, and the last Series I was built in 
1958. If you post your VIN and/or engine number, I am sure you would get a 
few hundred answers as to which year your car was built (I would be the 
last, I'm on the digest). Was it first registered in 1959?
Regards

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:52:23 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Rochester carb info

Howdy,

Does anybody have information on how to tune a Rochester carb or a pointer
to where I can find such info? 

Thanks,

Clayton

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:34:22 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>It makes sense for Land Rover owners to drive PCs.

Nah...  Land Rovers are non-mainstream vehicles that do the job better than
the more common vehicles one sees more often.  So, us real LRO's use Atari
ST's, of course.

('Course, I gots macs and PC's, and CP/M machines, and a couple of Symbolics
Lisp machines, and even an MSX computer around somewhere.)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:10:41 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck)
Subject: Zenith carb. cross ref.??

Hi everyone.

Not much happening with the Dormobile project at the moment -I do still have
nice heated and CARPETED space to work, alas it is largely going to waste.

I was wondering if anyone had another designation number for the Zenith 36IV
one barrel??  I've got a local shop that rebuilds carbs cheap, but they
can't find a reference.

Did I mention that the two Zenith carburetors came attached to 88"s?

No, I don't have any idea where I'm going to put them...but I couldn't
resist the Koenig pto wich. 

At what point does the accumulation of projects on the "to be done" end
start to push older projects out of the "completed" end???

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional        
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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:11:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels (was Re: Tony Hillerman and the other

> > 19-20)  Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how
> > improbable? 
> There's one very readable novel with lots of Land-Rover content, namely 
 _Running_Blind_ by Desmond Bagley.  It takes place in Iceland, all over the 
> place, which is also pretty unusual in a novel.  Sort of a spy/love story 
> with some good twists.  Also read another Bagley novel called _Windfall_ 
> which took place in Kenya and, oddly, had almost no Land-Rover content.  Go 
> figure.

"The Spoilers" also by Bagley. Takes place in the middle east. Good
LR content. 

"The Doomed Oasis" by Hammond Innes. Some LR content.

Also the Comic Album "Quatre X Quatre" (Jeannette Pointu 2) by 
Wasterlain. The main character, a reporter, covers the Paris-Dakar 
from a 110.

Don't read Bagley and Innes (and Duncan Kyle) just to find Land 
Rovers. These writers can tell a tail that could make the armchair 
adventurer turn off the telly.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:02:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Tony Hillerman and the other AW

At 09:01 PM 1/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Tony Hillerman's new novel, The Fallen Man, involves a missing person

>19-20)  Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how

The original Jurassic Park novel had a LR in it (At the Montana dig). 

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:51:35 +0100
From: Luc Rokegem <defender@belgonet.be>
Subject: Re: Looking for 200 TDi and gearbox

Marc Rengers wrote:

> I'm looking for a 200 TDi and gearbox for my 2.5D 110 StaWag. My old 2.5D

Hallo Marc,
J.A. 4X4 has for the moment a 200 Tdi for sale, it's in Harwich, Essex
and his phonenumber is : (1255)240623 and fax (1255)241814
If it is sold he can find easy a 300 Tdi because they are throwing with
them since there are a lot RangeRovers that now convert to B&W shit.
He has also some gearboxes, even mine.
regards,

        ____________
       //  |        |   Luc Rokegem
  ____//___|        |#  http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html
 |  _ |    |    _   |#  defender@belgonet.be
 |_/ \|____|___/ \__|   ex-army 110
   \_/         \_/      my next one = Lightweight with 2.5 Td/5-speed

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:24:04 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: Macattack

Is this Land Rovers or some sort of Anorak/Mac attack.?
Mike G SIII Lightweight
PS Mine is a Panasonic, anybody want to start a sad-tosser thread on
phones?

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 20 Jan 97 20:41:45 +0000
Subject: Camera's...

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren) 
Hi there All, 
 
***  On 20-Jan-97, someone was wittering on about Camera's....  *** 
 
>As a working photographer I would recommend the following cameras as 
>highly compatible with the Series Land Rover 
 
>Stills - Canon F1N 
 
I'd say Nikon F or F2. 
 
>Cine   - Arriflex 16BL 
 
Good call, only used a Bolex H16 myself. 
 
>Both are of the same vintage as the series IIA and III, and appeal to 
>the user for the same reasons, they are heavy, noisy, electrically 
>unreliable in old-age, but they last forever. 
 
Sounds fair, I wouldn't swap my F or F2 for a polycarbonate Yuppie 
camera! 
 
>At least they still make most parts for the Canon, unlike old Nikons and 
>Hallelblads ;^( 
 
That's not strictly true, Nikon keep parts for 12 years after model is 
phased out, but Gray's of Westminster, London actually remanufacture 
anything that is needed, including parts that Nikon Japan can't get! 
Sound familiar???? 
 
'Blad stuff isn't difficult to get, I can still get parts for a 500 
which is ancient! 
 
I used the F1, nice camera, but I've always trusted Nikon, my job 
depends on it! I don't get a second chance, I either get my shots first 
time or I'm gubbed! My friend is all Canon, but he got goosed when they 
dropped the FD mount. All Nikkor lenses will fit any Nikon from a 1959 F 
upto a 1996 F5. (what a camera BTW, had a test, amazing!!) 
 
>Of course there's the Hasselblad - the best 4 x 5 x far! 
 
But, 'blad DON'T manufacture a 5x4. (or 4x5 as you seem to say in the 
States) They never have, shouldn't you say: 
 
                Sinar - the best 5 x 4 x far!!! 
 
Catch you later, 
Lenny...                                                                  0/1 
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_____________________________________________________________________________ 
 
... Harrass some other young boy, gibbering stretchmark victim. 
--- Terminate 4.00/Pro 
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| Internet: lenny@fof.coracle.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:28:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Frame dimensions

                   Whomever,
                 Am repairing a series bulkhead and would like to know the
center to center distance
of mounting holes for the bulkhead/frame connection. This doesn't seem to be
in any of my reference material. Thanks in advance,
 
                           Ruthrfrd@borg.com

                 62 swb heart, lung, gizzard transplant  -  "Gromit"

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:38:43 MST
From: ROB MODICA <rmodica@east.pima.edu>
Subject: Literary Land Rovers

Edward Abbey writes about driving into the Maze in Canyonlands Utah back in the
early 60's in a Land Rover.  If I recall he says the owner would take that Land
Rover places where horses didn't go.

Just for irritation's sake--  Now that PCs have Win96 they *almost* work like
the MACS I've used for the past 15 years.  Better late than never I suppose.

Rob Modica, Tucson AZ         '51 SI 80" hardtop #16136629  "La Rana"
Arizona Land Rover Owners     '60 SII 109" SW Safari #16400620 "The Tortuga"
rmodica@east.pima.edu         '94 Disco 5spd 

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:56:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Silicone Brake Fluid

               Have had some experience with silicone brake fluid implants,
Built a somewhat  high performance autocross car in 1982 or so. Used all of
the right Girling hydraulic bits, calipers, wheel cylinders, both master
cylinders and clutch cylinder were either new or rebuilt. All off the shelf
stock components very similar to parts on our Rovers. Assembled and filled
system with silicone fluid and other than the occasional bleeding (every 2-3
years whether it needs it or not) I have had absolutely No Problems, no
static leaks, no corrosion, nothing. This vehicle spends a lot of time just
setting (Oct-April) and is driven only 2-3 weekends per month in summer for
maybe an hour per weekend. Of course, it hasn't seen much mud but it is
driven in wet weather (driven hard and put away wet?). Neglect is the worst
kind of abuse and yet  the hydraulics are in new condition. 
               I will Never use castrol LMA dot 4 in any vehicle that I have
any intention of keeping for a long time or expect to use under adverse
conditions. ( however I'll put nearly anything in my daily driver - it's
expendable and easily replaced). Given the fragile nature of
Girling/Lockheed etc., I feel that the cost of silicone is more than offset
by the longterm savings and peace of mind have once you plunk down the
moolah. (Hint: buy it by the quart from one of the guys in Hemmings, Hirsch
I think). And 109 owners only have to bleed their brakes once a decade.
                OK, sermon over. Any questions? 

                           Ruthrfrd@borg.com

                  62 SerIIa -  sure to have purple brake fluid - "Gromit"

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:59:58 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Tony Hillerman and the other AW

>Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how
>improbable?

Actually, a Land-Rover, which had carried a heavy load over it's rear axle,
appears in Hillerman's first mystery, "The Blessing Way".  As the book's
copyright date is 1970, it was most likely a Series vehicle.  There was no
mention of an audio system that I recall.

I believe a Land-Rover is also mentioned in Stephen King's "The Stand"
though I haven't read it yet--it's on the list.

More as they come to me...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:39:33 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Series III Wiring Help Needed

I've been poking around behind the dash in the Series III and now have two
problems;
1.)   Wipers don't work.  Culprit is a disconnected ground wire from the
motor.  Can anybody tell me where it's supposed to go?

2.)  Turn signals don't work.  All connections seem secure.  The relay(I'm
guessing that's what it is..round silver thing screwed up behind the dash),
has three posts on it, but only two wires, a green/brown, and green/yellow
wire.  Should it have another.  All fuses appear good in the fuse-box.

3.)  The temperature gauge isn't working.  Any initial tests I can perform
with the multimeter?  Any help is appreciated!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
X0 of the VMFA 509th COUGARS/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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From: lHandJP@webtv.net (J. W. Pendleton)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:58:49 -0600
Subject: Hi all, I am new to the list but recognize a few names out there.

>From Wichita, KS USA, I also am a propriotor of my own Rover kingdom.  I
am searching for parts and technical advice with this message.
Looking for a hardtop to fit a 1994 D90.  This vechile was involved in a
rollover so the US spec rollbars may be deleted.  Would like to find
somethig in my region and will consider slightly damaged items.
Shipping costs are probably prohibative outside North America for this
project.
I bought  a  military  5 spd  transmissions, LT 77, from Blue  Sky
Rover.   This was out of  a  deisel 110  and after recieving  it I found
that it would not work for my aplication .  Of course when I bought it I
explained that it was for my 1982 Range Rover V8.  The problem is the
output shaft  length, whiich is shorter then the V8 version.  
Anyone out there have experience with the military LT77?  It is a late
version,  probably 1990.  Can I exchange a V8 output shaft and have it
mesh with the diesel gearbox mainshaft?
Thanks in advance.

Jim Pendleton

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:43:49 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Hi all, I am new to the list but recognize a few names out there.

>>From Wichita, KS USA, I also am a propriotor of my own Rover kingdom.  I
>am searching for parts and technical advice with this message.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>Thanks in advance.
>Jim Pendleton
Yo,
        Hey, Jim, I didn't think you had a digital bone in yer body.
Welcome.  What's the scoop on this D90, Is Bill the Bruce involved?  Will
we get to plan an unveiling for the club?

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:54:44 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: PC v Mac - evens

>This post contains even less LR content than before . . .
>My little thoughts posted just a couple of days ago have generated more
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Simon Ward-Hastelow
>'85 110 V8 CSW
I'll take a Mac anyday, and if the Gods would not allow me to drive a LR,
well, I guess I'd have to drive a Ibex.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Subject: Re: Looking for 200 TDi and gearbox
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 09:34:40 +0100
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Bedankt Luc,

I'll call them. Maybe someone knows how to find a 200 TDi in Holland. If 
not them I'll have to get one from England or so.

My 2.5D is now running fine after refitting the pulley on the crank. I 
need to overhaul the PAS completely because it's now leaking with the 
same speed as I refill. I think the cold has done no good to the seals as 
has the pressure on them in the cold.

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: ROVERABILITY (WAS Politically Correct PC)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 8:46:56 GMT

> I really don't see the problem with the PC, one of mine started life as
> a 386 sx and is now a 486 dx-4, soon to be a pentium something-or-other.
> I don't mind built in obsolesence, if I can restore it one bit at a
> time. Even a "frame-over" is not outside the realms of possibility.

Well, there's a very-new looking Z88 just arrived today and sitting on my
desk. Perhaps not as durable as a Landy, but pretty-much go anywhere.
(PC vs. Mac is immaterial, real computer people argue NT vs. Unix...)

> Maybe we should compile a list of other "Roverly-acceptable" products,
> we've been through cameras, we've almost milked computers for what they
<Camera = EOS1000, so there>

> are worth, and beer isn't worth fighting about, so - how about the
> following candidates for "Roverability" -
> 	Audio systems
> time. Even a "frame-over" is not outside the realms of possibility.

Mine is the best!  But I would say that. 
(cheap seperates with good amp & speakers)

> 	Newspapers
was a Yorkshire Post reader

> 	Tractors
<No suitable experience>

> 	Musical instruments
Clarinet - cork seals, and needs oiling occasionaly.
Can make horrible squeaky/squarky noises if mistreated.

> 	Clothing
Totecters and jeans.

> 	Videotape formats
For the Landy list, should answer Betamax - is there any other?

> 	Literature
Currently reading Tom Sharpe...

> 	Music
Has to be British for the Landy list. For driving, Rule Britania
Pomp & Circumstance (all 5), and Jerusalem, otherwise some Vaughan-Williams?

> 	Food
Burger King used to be British. Leaks oil too.
Dislike fastfood burgers to be honest.

> 	Dog breeds
Labrador - what else?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:14:20 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

> > 19-20)  Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how
> > improbable? 

There's a Wilbur Smith book, I think it was one of his later Ballantyne
series set in Zimbabwe. This ex-army veteran has a beat-up old lwb (II
or III?) with no roof that he drives around Bulawayo. I can't remember
much of the story now, but I think he only has one leg and this yacht he
built in his back yard. Very good story!

Mick Forster.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:42:56 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Land-Rovers in Novels

. This ex-army veteran has a beat-up old lwb (II
or III?) with no roof that he drives around Bulawayo. I can't remember
much of the story now, but I think he only has one leg and this yacht he
built in his back yard. Very good story!

I remember that one...vaguely.
Wasnt that the story where he had the bloke stripping the Rover
down to the chassis and rebuilding in over the weekend?Damned fast
worker,
..or a long weekend.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 01:25:37 -0800
From: University Services-Internships & Careers <USIC@hotmail.com>
Subject: PlzPOST> Proj DIRs/Interns/Volntrs [AFRICA][BRAZIL] -summer

==========================================================================
(IUN) Inter-University Network / University Services-Internships & Careers
==========================================================================
International Programs
Americans, Canadians, etc.

RE:  Non-Profit Organizations
     Summer PROJECT DIRECTORS/INTERNS/VOLUNTEERS
     Approaching Deadlines

     Human Rights and Humanitarian Multi-disciplinary Projects

Please post/forward/share this information.  Likely to be of interest
to the List and to a cross-section of persons seeking meaningful,
"different" summer experiences.

Deadlines/cut offs are but a few weeks away.

Thanks in advance

___________________________________________________________________

Subject:      ANNOUNCE>ProjDIR/Volun/Intern Positions [AFRICA][BRAZIL]
              "American Educational Research Association List (AERA)"
Comments:     ********************************************************
Newsgroups:   bit.listserv.aera (additional opptys found here)

Application deadlines are approaching for the following summer jobs,
internships, and volunteer positions.

CAREER OPPTYS

   1. AfriCare

......................................................................

SUMMER INTERNSHIPS/VOLUNTEER PROJECTS

   2. Operation Crossroads: Global Volunteers/Interns/Project DIRECTORS
           -> ONLINE applications now available for
                 Proj DIRs & Interns [Africa/Brazil] 

       Aimed at involving North Americans (and others) in sustainable
                development efforts in Africa and Brazil, while
                helping local communities to help themselves

           Academic Credit

           *highlights below*

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

1. A F R I C A R E  -

Recruits for a variety of positions in non-profit
work. BA/BS, 3 years experience, language proficiency, job
specific. Contact:

     Director of Management Services,
     AFRICARE,
     440 R Street, NW
     Washington, D.C. 20001

     (202) 462-3641.

......................................................................

2. O P E R A T I O N   C R O S S R O A D S  [AFRICA][BRAZIL]

    Global Volunteers/Interns/Project Directors

Crossroads offers an opportunity to do summer work and participate in
multi-disciplinary grassroots projects that Africans and Brazilians
in rural & urban communities deem valuable.  20 - 25 projects are being
organized; plans are for 150 - 200 volunteers/interns and 15 - 20
Project Directors.

Crossroads recently announced that ONLINE applications (due over next few
weeks) are available for Project Directors/Leaders (26 yrs and over with
experience) & for Volunteers/Interns (college age & up; ALL are welcome)

C R E D I T : Students generally arrange with their campuses to receive
academic credit (typically 7 to 15 units) for their summer internship
experience.  The Program starts with a several-day Training Orientation
in NYC in early July; Volunteers return to the US in mid-August.

CONTACT:

     Operation Crossroads,
     Attn: Overseas Department/LaVerne Brown
     475 Riverside Drive, Suite 1366,
     New York, NY 10027

     212-870-2106

Or, to receive the brochure, application and other info by E-Mail,
send your request to <<BOTH>> 

1-  "Applications/Info Update" <International_Programs@Juno.Com>,
2-  "Brochure/New Programs" <oca@igc.apc.org>

   ..and in the Subject Field, put either of the following:

 ->   "SEND VOLUNTEER\INTERN's Packet"     (college age & up/open to all)
                  o r
 ->   "SEND LEADER\ProjDIRECTOR's Packet"  (26 yrs & up with experience)

Please include your street address in case our equipment malfunctions

P r o j e c t   D i r e c t o r / L e a d e r  applicants must include
a brief paragraph on their background & interests to receive application 

   Crossroads helps Volunteers/Interns raise funds for the
          summer; EARLY application is a MUST

====================================================================
  MULTI-DISCIPLINARY PROJECTS / RESEARCH / WORK CAMPS / FIELD STUDY
___________________________________________________________________

  Ecology & Environment. Traditional Medicine. Oral History.
  Folklore. Primary Care. Archaeology. Anthropology. Reforestation.
  Media. <<ROOTS>> Distance Learning. Art. Ethnomusicology. Public
  Health. Construction Wildlife. HUMAN RIGHTS. Computer Literacy.
  Agric/Farming. Nursing. Teaching/Tutoring. Business Dev.
  African/Brazilian Language Study. Youth Programs. Recreation.
  Traditional Religion. Anthropology. Dance. RURAL SOCIOLOGY

*******************************************************************
Including public health campaigns addressing Female Circumcision /
Genital Mutilation [FGM] carried out with sensitivity for local
                    customs and practices

C O U N T R I E S: Botswana, The Gambia, Ghana, Eritrea, Ivory Coast,
   Kenya, Senegal, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zimbabwe, Namibia,
           Guinea Bissau, Ethiopia, Malawi, Mali, Benin
                  and Brazil (in South America)
                 _______________________________

      Operation Crossroads is a non-profit 501(3)(C) organization
  Credited by JF Kennedy for inspiring the "birth" of the Peace Corps
  Celebrating 40 yrs of service and contribution by 10,000 Volunteers

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Note:  Please post/disseminate

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:24:37 +0100
From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid)
Subject: Defender Scandinavia spec.?

What is a scandinavia spec.?

Bengt M. Tovslid
Norway

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