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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 97 01:29:40 NZT

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From: eheite@dmv.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:17:29 -0500
Subject: Politically Correct PC

It makes sense for Land Rover owners to drive PCs.

If you own an obsolete 4x4 that works half the time, is incredibly complex
to keep running, requires an endless supply of arcane knowledge, breaks
down whenever you fix something, and won't do a whole lot of different
jobs, you probably will be satisfied with the hopelessly obsolete sixties
technology of  DOS computers.

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| 69 Land Rover    Ned Heite                             |
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
|  eventually      http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html|
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:20:10 +0800
From: sgtan@pc.jaring.my (Chris & Faith)
Subject: Macs

I use a Mac too, naturally I'm biased against PC's after having been
exposed to both.

Christopher Tan

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Subject: "The Retrieval"
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 07:54:55 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

To All-

My Land Rover saga begins next week. I will be traveling to Orlando, 
Florida (one-way flight) to retrieve a 1965 SIIA SW (2.25 Diesel) that 
from many pictures and endless hours of telephone discussion with the 
owner (and advice from nearby friends) is in great condition. In fact, 
you can see the pictures of this vehicle on our club web-page (address 
below).

If everything with the vehicle is as promised, I will be driving the 
beast back home to Little Rock, Arkansas.  With my Rovers North catalog 
and a cellular phone in hand, the journey will begin the evening of Jan. 
29th and last approx. 18 loud, slow, diesel, land rover hours.  The 
engine has been rebuilt within the last 1500 miles, but still top speeds 
are said to max out around 50-55.

My path will take me from Orlando to Atlanta, then on to Birmingham,AL, 
over to Memphis and then into Little Rock.  I have noted the Land Rover 
dealerships along the way, but would like the names of any good rover 
mechanics along my path, as well as any advice from you seasoned veterans 
of long Land Rover highway trips.

Thanks and if anyone sees a dark brownish-green '65 SIIA with a tropical 
roof and spare on the bonnet by the side of the road or even worse, in a 
ditch by the road, please at the very least just stop and say hello.

Into the night.....

Keith

Keith W. Cooper,MD
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*            Dept. of Family and Community Medicine - UAMS              *
*                  "Arkansas Land Rover Association"                    *
*                  Owner '96 Land Rover Discovery SE                    *
*                                                                       *
*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:41:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: L/R in U.S.Military

I don"t know if this is of interest, but I've seen the shipping invoices for
some of the military imports which were heading to San Francisco. They were
insured for between $37,000 and $38,000. 

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:49:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Overdrive question

Re: Stiffness:

It's probably the pivot for the lever - those bind up and can snap if
maltreated.

If you look at the center of the pivot, you'll notice that it's a large
bolt-head. Undo it, and the pivot will come right out of the center of the
lever assembly. Grease it and your problems will most likely clear.

As far as oil changes go, it's simple. The drain plug on the OD is at the
very bottom - it's a large bolt-head.

The fill port is on the (sitting in the driver's seat anmd looking down
through the center of the box) left side - it's the thing you take out to
check the oil

The OD takes 3/4 pint of 90-weight. If you haven't changed it, do so. It's
the quickest path to OD longevity.

                    Al Richer

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:31:12 +0100
From: Luc Rokegem <defender@belgonet.be>
Subject: SIII Heater Solution !

Ok I try to explain it better : On the early Series engines the water
from the engine 
to the heatermatrix comes from the rear off the engine. That is not a
very good solution,
because you don't have much flow from the rear.  Second disadvantage is
that the water has  
not fully heated up, because it has not crossed the head.  Thats why you
have to take the
water off from the front off the engine.  It has passed all holes in the
engine and is
ready now to be send to the radiator and you have on that point also
maximum pressure.
The problem on the early engines is that the thermostathousing is not
designed to take
the water off and thats the reason why you have to buy a unit from a 2.5
TD or 2.5D
Now you have maximum pressure and heat and now it is time to send it to
the heater.
The first obstacle that the water finds is a tap from where you can cut
the water
off to the matrix.  This tap is to small to send a lot off water in so
you have to
buy a larger one.  To achieve maximum heat you double the heatermatrix
by putting
a second one in front off it and connect the two together.  The blower
has sufficient
power to force the air to the thickness radiator. You must also take the
pipes as big
as possible because you want to send as much water to the matrix as
possible, so you
can transfer a lot off heat from it.
I hope I explained it now better and as soon as I see my friend I ask
some more deatails
and let you now;
regards,

-- 

        ____________
       //  |        |   Luc Rokegem
  ____//___|        |#  http://www.belgonet.be/~bn000165/index.html
 |  _ |    |    _   |#  defender@belgonet.be
 |_/ \|____|___/ \__|   ex-army 110
   \_/         \_/      my next one = Lightweight with 2.5 Td/5-speed

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:33:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

Ned Heite got out of the armchair:

// It makes sense for Land Rover owners to drive PCs.
// 
// If you own an obsolete 4x4 that works half the time, is incredibly complex
// to keep running, requires an endless supply of arcane knowledge, breaks
// down whenever you fix something, and won't do a whole lot of different
// jobs, you probably will be satisfied with the hopelessly obsolete sixties
// technology of  DOS computers.

Then why do you use a Mac?. Apple has already decided what hardware 
and modifications you like. And if you want to know somthing about 
what goes on inside the grey plastic, you will be told that you don't 
need to know. If you insist on getting the information you will be 
told to shut up and go to your room.

I prefer relatively open standards with thousands of suppliers of 
various things to play with. I like to run the varius OS suplied to 
the i386 market. 

It's difficult to type on the keyboard with your hands tied.

BTW, - what is Apples eq. to the Pentium Pro?. A BigMac?.

rgds
sv/aurens

PS. I have nothing at all against Mac's. I just pretend they don't 
exist.

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:33:20 +0000
Subject: Re: Brake fluids 

> 1) Can anyone offer more info?  and... does anyone have any experience
> regarding the Dot4 fluid made by Shell?

I have used it for three years or so. No problems. 

SAE J1703 is printed on the bottle.
 
> The other loose end was raised by Jim Wolf (Fri, 13 Sep 1996).  He
> inquired about the use of Silicon Brake fluids (Dot 5).  He wanted to

My brother is using the pink stuff and is quite satisfied with it. I 
will probably use it after my next change of cylinders. Very cheap 
too.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
From: cplummer@juno.com (Calvin J. Plummer)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:43:51 EST

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From: NotaJeep@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:46:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: OD Oil !!!!!!! (and more)

AHHHHH....Check the overdrive oil Now!  *RIGHT* NOW!!!!!
The drain plug is under the unit and the "Fill" plug (screw head) includes
the dipstick...I always used the top cover to fill the unit..remove 3 of the
4 bolts and rotate the top to reveal the "guts"...Fill the unit to the upper
line on the dipstick...I can't tell you if the marks are ment to be read when
the stick is threaded in or when it is just resting on the case...I went with
the BMW method of resting the bottom of the thread on the case...means more
oil in the box..no?

Rivits...solid ones are available ..aircraft mechanics have then and the
setting dies...the dies can be expensive so you might want to call your local
airport and buddy up with the maintaince guy..(or girl)..

Big heater? Yes!! give us more!!!!!

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:00:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Nathaniel Council wrote:

> Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> > Just a personal question - do we all use PCs or are there also Mac owners
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> 			Nate Council
> 1977 serIII
Hey there take it easy.    I'm a proud Mac person

Russ W.
67 RHD SIIa 88
93 Mac Centris

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:18:32 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: skid plate for Ser III

Steve Stoneham wrote:
> Did any of the Series III 88"s come equipped with skid plates?
> Is this a costly option?
> Steve

I assume by SKID PLATE you mean a flat metal plate which is slung under
the gearbox and bellhousing?

My Series III 88" has one, very useful in snow, as the car doesn't get
bogged down just there where you can't get in with a shovel! My 88 is a
Icelander, of which 5 were inported to Denmark. I don't know if this was
just an option for Iceland/Scandinavian countries, but I haven't seen a
skid plate on any other series truck (except another 88 Icelander) and
my 109" doesn't have one.

The Icelander seems to be a stock series III with a few extras, some of
which are found on other series III's - like insulation in the cabin
roof, the seat box, and firewall, lower ratio gearbox, skidplate, towing
hook eyes on the front forks, large rectangular windows in the sides...

I haven't a clue as to how much they cost in the early 80's. but it
would eb easy to make one yourself - or any tractor workshop could
handle the job for you.

Also has the advantage that a slight leak in the gerabox doesn't result
in a pool on the workshop floor or driveway, it just accumulates with
the mud on the topside of the skidplate - which aslo prevents the plate
from rusting :-)

Hope this info helps!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:20:48 -0500
From: Brian Neily <briann@ici.net>
Subject: 1967 LR 88 for sale

I have a 1967 Land Rover IIa model 88 for sale.  It was my daily driver
for two years.  I completed a frame up during the summer of 1994.
Included is a hard top, soft top w/roll bar, overdrive, and lots of new
parts.  I am asking $12,000. See pictures and a full description of the
work completed at.  

http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/briann/landrover.html

Brian Neily
Attleboro, MA
(508) 222-7303
(508) 226-1949

1967 LR IIa  for sale
1994 LR D90

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:24:58 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: SIII Heater Solution !

Luc Rokegem wrote:
> Ok I try to explain it better : On the early Series engines the water
> from the engine
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 46 lines)]
>  |  _ |    |    _   |#  defender@belgonet.be
>  |_/ \|____|___/ \__|   ex-army 110
>    \_/         \_/      my next one = Lightweight with 2.5 Td/5-speed

thanks Luc - now I understand - like the idea, may try it min one of my
series III's - it would be good to have a heater that heats!
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:55:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

In a message dated 18/01/97  17:19:09, it was written:

<< Personally I use Macs, always have, always will and would not use a PC 
 for anything other than a doorstop - but thats only my highly biased 
 opinion.
  >>

I always thought it a shame that Macs stopped having that cute little handle
on the top that help you throw out the window (I am also prepared to admit to
bias).  I think LRs are the ultimate vehicle not just from an off road point
of view but also from a DIY mechanics point of view, there great to tinker
with.  Your LR is what you make it unlike an across the counter 4x4.  The PC
shares that tinkerability..  I tend to buy vanilla boxes and screw in what I
want.  Although you can get bolt on goodies for your Mac you can also go and
buy a Bull bar for a Mitsu-shi**y.  

Regards

(The ever diplomatic) Jamie

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:55:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

In a message dated 19/01/97  13:11:40, it was written:

<< If you own an obsolete 4x4 that works half the time, is incredibly complex
 to keep running, requires an endless supply of arcane knowledge, breaks
 down whenever you fix something, and won't do a whole lot of different
 jobs, you probably will be satisfied with the hopelessly obsolete sixties
 technology of  DOS computers.
  >>

Why do people think PCs only run DOS.  I don't have the time to go through
all the options here as there are many, but I use NT.

Regards

Jamie

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:27:44 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Solid aluminium rivets

Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com> wanted to know:

>       Also, in regards to bodywork,  are the Proper solid aliminium rivets
>sold anywhere and are the rivet sets (tools) available as well? Any info
>would be helpful. 

Hank - both rivets and tools are sold by 

Wadsworth Panels
1 Steele Lane
Barkisland
Halifax
West Yorkshire

Tel/Fax (UK) 1422 822200

Bought some and a front bumper from them, very nice people. 50 round-head 
rivets go for ukp 3, the tool is ukp 5.50, plus p+p.

Hope this helps
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:36:10 -0700
From: justfred@netcom.com (Fred Heald)
Subject: Land Rover 109" 'KUNG SAN' for sale

All,

Please forgive the sales intrusion, though I think it's on-topic.

1967 Land Rover 109" Station Wagon.  Fully restored in 1988.  55,000 miles
on Chevy I-6 (250).  All the extras you could imagine, including:
full-length roof rack, Warn 8000# winch, dual batteries, extra fuel tank, 2
spares, offroad lights, Salisbury rear differential, tow hitch.  Featured
in May 1990 Four Wheeler.  $15,000.  Call Fred at 619-630-3646 or
page/leave message at 619-986-1449, or email me at justfred@netcom.com for
more info.

Location: Vista, CA (near San Diego).

Fred Heald                                      justfred@netcom.com
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"I am Barney of Borg.  I love you, you love me.  Resistance is futile."
                                                 -Talking Mouse
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(www address at www.inland.net/~justfred is now cancelled.  Watch this
space for announcements of a new location or pronouncements of the death of
personal home pages on the web due to conflict with commercial interests...)

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Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 21:52:56 -0000
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>Hey there take it easy.    I'm a proud Mac person

Another Mac-User here!

btw, this is the Land Rover list isn't it?

Anyone in Holland hanving a 88 SIII diesel for sale? Hard-top or soft-top 
or truckcab or something? It's for a restoration project, but got no 
project-vehicle yet......

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Subject: Re: skid plate for Ser III
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 22:02:59 -0000
From: Marc Rengers <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

>The Icelander seems to be a stock series III with a few extras, some of
>which are found on other series III's - like insulation in the cabin
>roof, the seat box, and firewall, lower ratio gearbox, skidplate, towing
>hook eyes on the front forks, large rectangular windows in the sides...

Do you have some pictures on any page anywhere? Maybe someone else?

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland (The Netherlands)
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
     SOLD !!          NOT FOR SALE !!                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

I will buy a SIII 88" again sometimes

Only the best: Land Rover and Apple Macintosh

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:43:43 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

>Just a personal question - do we all use PCs or are there also Mac owners
>in the Landrover Comunity.

You're not alone.  I uses Macs for all my general-pupose computing (email,
word processing, etc), and Unix for the heavy-duty networking.  Tried to do
some Windoze work a year ago, got grey hairs, ulcers, etc, and am not
prepared to touch a Windows keyboard, much less a computer, as a
consequence.

>A theory in a recent discussion was that if a  person chose to own and
>use a vehicle as unique and individual as a Landrover then it would not
>be surprising if that attitude influenced their choice of computer.

Which is why I use a Mac -- it's the best tool for the job.  OTOH, Windoze
boxen are more likely to die from unknown causes, leave oil-stains on your
desk, and will be down more than they are up, so maybe it _should_ be the
LR of operating systems.

However, my vote for a Land-Rover computer would have to be the NeXT.  It's
technically superb, beautifully designed, and underpowered as they come.
It doesn't leak oil, though.

	paul

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:07:39 -0500
Subject: Carb

 Alan_Richer writes
Subject: Re: Weber 34ICHAccellerator Linkage

Simple fix - disassemble the bellcrank mounted on the steering box and
reassemble it flipped - so that the rod from the accelerator pedal is under
rather than over the bellcrank (or vice versa, I can't remember right now.

  Not quite so simple, the return spring is wound the wrong way,  does'nt
work very reliably  in this mode. ( it must be over 20 years since I did
this and I still remember having fun with it.

  Regards Bill Leacock  Limey in exile
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: ppinheiro@ip.pt
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 01:03:16 +0000
Subject: Weber 34ICHAccellerator Linkage

> OK, I figured out what the problem with the Weber was.  On the Solex
> UP is more gas and DOWN is less gas.  On the Weber (and Zenith, from 
> what I can see of the illustrations in the RN & BP catalogs), DOWN 
> is more gas and UP is less.

> So, has anyone out there put a Weber 1bbl 34ICH on a Rover formerly
> fitted with a Solex?  I've got a few ideas, but I'd be quite
> interested in what others have done.

   Several options:

  1. Go live south of the equator (or north, if you already live
     south).
  2. Put the engine in upside down (easier than #1)
  3. Get the RN kit to assemble the carb. upside down.  Ask them if 
     it's on special this month (easier than #2)
  4. Swap the gas eng. with a diesel one - it does not have a carb. 
     (easier then #3)

 :-) Just wasting some bandwidth to make someone laugh... ;-)

    Bye!  Good luck!

        '67 SIIA 88" Diesel 'Oscar' 24430781D
 AFS Exchange Student - Missouri, US, during 1993-94

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:09:36 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Leaf springs

Hank Rutherford wrote:
>        Hey, does anyone out there know anything about parabolic springs a la

Well I believe I did once hear something.. I'd have to do some digging
though to find out who did /does them.

>        Also, in regards to bodywork,  are the Proper solid aliminium rivets
> sold anywhere and are the rivet sets (tools) available as well? Any info
> would be helpful.

Yes 'proper'(?) solid rivets are used extensively in the aeronautical
world, but why use them? The only reason would be if you were riveting
structural parts and not only body panels on the non monocoque L-R.
Tooling comprises of one person with a heavy metal lump pushing against
the head of the rivet while you whack the otherside flat with another
heavy object (no not your neighbours head!). Like in the old cartoons...
If you want to go the whole way get rivets that need a heat treatment
first!

As a matter of interest, most aircraft are popped nowadays. This
includes aircraft such as the Gen.Dyn. F16 that can pull 9g's in a tight
manoever. The pop rivets don't pull the whole metal pin through like the
types used on the L-R, but at a predetermined tension the metal pull pin
breaks and locks itself in the center of the rivet.
The official name for this type of bolt is lockbolt.
The more wellknown names are: cherry rivets, Joe bolts, avdel (english).
(if my memory server me correctly).

Floris 'just popping away' Houniet

109 Ser IIa '69

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:49:13 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Spencer Norcross

Spenny, I didn't look far enough down in your message so the FAX number 
was there all the time.  I deleted your message as well so this is why 
the open answer.  The copy went FAX Sunday night.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:35:27 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Mac Next PC....ZX Spectrum!!!

I still have a Sinclair ZX Spectrum, it spills bits and bytes on my
floor (especially when loading from tape) it has been completely taken
to bits many times. 
It's slow, doesn't runmodern sofware but with a bit of practice you gan
easily get it to do just about anything (except speed up). Parts are
easy to find and accesories must be hand built to fit. 
It has a clumsy user interface that often breaks down, and it has been
known to emit PoD smoke and stop.
It was designed by a bunch of very innovative but completely crazy
British people, who went on to make stuff that nobody would buy.

I think it is clear that this ends our search for computer roverism...

Floris '1982 ZX mk2 16K' Houniet

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From: VOGEL@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:01:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Tony Hillerman and the other AW

Tony Hillerman's new novel, The Fallen Man, involves a missing person
case from 11 years ago (1984-1985?). His "new green Land Rover. Easy to
spot out here" was found with "nothing stolen ... it still had an
expensive audio system in it, spare tire, everything still there." (pages
19-20)  Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how
improbable?  Should Mr. Hillerman receive a nasty letter from BMW for
trademark infringement, as Imus did from Chrysler for using "jeep" in
God's Other Son?
Also, AutoWeek has a undisguised picture of the "baby" Land Rover on 
page 6 of the January 13, 1997 issue.  Better yet the same page has a
story on the FUNMOG (Unimog as SUV). AW observes that "no Land Rover
owner will ever spit on your roof."  More fun than waving?

Tom Vogel '72 SIII 88" ECURIE 3
Gutman Library, Philadelphia College of Textiles

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 19:10:18 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: Questions:  Spark Plugs and Shock Absorbers

Work is moving along on my new Series I (1959) 107" pickup, but I need a
little help.   
Can anyone recommend spark plugs for this vehicle (2 liter engine)?   The
sparkplugs now in it are marked "Champion RN-3C."  The workshop manual does
not specify type.     

What is the correct gap setting?  (The owners manual that came with the
vehicle is for an early Ser II 88/109 says .029 to .032 inches.)  

Can anyone recommend a good brand/part number for (cheap but respectable)
shocks, front and back, that will fit this critter?  

Thanks in advance - appreciate the help!  
                              
                                                             Denny   
59 Land-Rover Ser I 107" Pickup, 86 Saab 900, 95 Saab 900S 
N3NQB/7  

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:13:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

In a message dated 97-01-19 11:36:30 EST, you write:

 PS. I have nothing at all against Mac's. I just pretend they don't 
 exist. >>

Wait a couple of years and you won't have to pretend anymore. ; )

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:41:21 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Movie sighting

Yesterday I watched Bad Boys, a truly awful movie, but it does provide a
brief glimpse of a very neat looking green SIII 88" truck cab.

Cheers. Tony.

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Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:48:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Fellow Clubs

Hi,
Our local club would like to make contact with folks from the following
clubs: Dixieland Rovers, Upper Miss. L-R Club and FingerLakes L-R Club.  Just
e-mail me as per below.  Thanks!
Tom Bache
R.O.V.E.R.S.
S.E. PA/DE/NJ area
Since 1995
We publish the "Fairlead"

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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 21:57:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: computers

Simon,
To answer you. I use both.  An old 286 at home (con't do www stuff) and a
PowerMac at work just now loaded with Netscape that I haven't figured out how
to use yet.  Now I will be able to check out all these websites the rest of
you have going.  I have to keep a low pro since technically it's a work tool
so no L-R screen savers.
Tom Bache
Avondale, PA
R.O.V.E.R.S.
BRLRC
BSROA
R.O.A.V.
1952 80" the relic
1987 RR QEII 

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:28:45 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>Why do people think PCs only run DOS.  I don't have the time to go through
>all the options here as there are many, but I use NT.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Regards
>Jamie
Because they're afraid.  For one they paid twice as much for half the
machine, half the clock speed,  half the RAM, half the disc space.   But as
someone else said,  pretty soon they will be driving a PC too. Unless they
want to be like some folks who think Atari is going to make a comeback.
Just look at the cost of software and hardware for each.  I have driven both
( kinda biased,  I built my own machine in 1984 at age 19) and think they
(Macs) are great machines for their purpose, games and word processing.
NeXt? right Copeland? dead...  But buy up as much Mac stack as you can,
When Silicon Graphics, Sun or maybe HP buys them you can make a killing on
the investment.  How many PC companies have had trouble other than IBM (for
the same reasons as Mac NO VISION).
Mike Johnson  N7WBO
74 SIII 88 (Chester)  25903561b
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)  ?????????
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:16:54 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Brakes and clutches

Iwan Vosloo wrote with some questions about brake fluid and cluches.

WRT the use of silicone fluids, I heartily reccommend it...*if* you are 
starting with a clean system.  Silicone is "not compatible" with any other 
fluid.  (What happens, cold fusion? critical mass?  I dunno.)  When I 
rebuilt my system if first removed all the seals and pistons.  Drained the 
master cylinder dry, then pumped 95% isopropanol through the lines.  Then I 
took the MC off and blew the lines dry with compressed air.  I used generic, 
American-made seals ($.25 each), washed and reused the dust cups and rebuilt 
the dual master, all for $21.  Four pints of silicone cost $28, though.  
Silicone is not hygroscopic like Castrol LMA.

WRT access to the clutch master cylinder, I find it easier to pull the wing. 
 Hovever, I've seen several Rovers modified so that the top rear corner of 
the wing has this little hinged door so all you have to do is unfasten one 
bolt.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:50:32 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Land-Rovers in Novels (was Re: Tony Hillerman and the other AW)

Tom Vogel asks:

> 19-20)  Does anyone know of other literary Land Rovers - no matter how
> improbable? 

There's one very readable novel with lots of Land-Rover content, namely 
_Running_Blind_ by Desmond Bagley.  It takes place in Iceland, all over the 
place, which is also pretty unusual in a novel.  Sort of a spy/love story 
with some good twists.  Also read another Bagley novel called _Windfall_ 
which took place in Kenya and, oddly, had almost no Land-Rover content.  Go 
figure.

Cheers,

Granny

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:55:38 -0800
From: Wes Harris <wharris@infowks.com>
Subject: Re: Movie sighting

Tony Yates wrote:
> Yesterday I watched Bad Boys, a truly awful movie, but it does provide a
> brief glimpse of a very neat looking green SIII 88" truck cab.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> *Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer
> **********************************************************************
Just noticed myself after a recent viewing of "A Clockwork Orange" that
a Series III 109 Station Wagon in police trim is featured for a fleeting
moment.  Georgie and Dim take our newly reformed hero Alex out to a
muddy cow pasture to kick the crap out of him.  The vehicle they use for
transport is the aforementioned Rover.  Aces!  Watch for it next time
you see this fine film...

Cheers!
Wes

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:00:26 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Politically Correct PC

>>Why do people think PCs only run DOS.  I don't have the time to go through

Hey, who cares!!??

A little bit of non-Rover content is good, but this escalating Mac-PC war is
not good!

I'm not even going to say what sort of computer I drive.

It works.  It's not relevant.

Cheers  Tony.

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Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:44:18 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan)
Subject: Re: Screensavers/computers

Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:
> Just a personal question - do we all use PCs or are there also Mac owners
> in the Landrover Comunity.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> "DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW (24mpg)
> __________________________________

And biased it certainly is.

Rgds

Stan

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:16:09 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: "The Retrieval"

>To All-
>My Land Rover saga begins next week. I will be traveling to Orlando,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 45 lines)]
>*                                                                       *
>*    Visit my page at - http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/LRV.html     *
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Keith,
        Good Luck and remember, FUN is the best thing to have in a Land Rover.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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From: Jean Hoffmann <hoffmann@ip.lu>
Subject: LRO LISTS
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:08:47 +0100

WHICH LIST hoffmann@ip.lu

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:37:01 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditf2.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Winches

:) From: NotaJeep@aol.com
:) Does anyone have a Koenig King winch..I need to know which position to mount
:) the pto box on the transfer box..the tranny is out and the vehicle did not
:) have this winch mounted. There are 6, well ,ok,3 positions it *could*
:) be...help!
:) steve......

Have a look to my page:
http://enviro.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR/gearbox/gearbox03.gif

There you can see the pto box mounted on the transfer box.
Hope this helps
 Peter

-- 
Signature: Cogito ergo sum....I think....
Homepage:  http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter
Landrover: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter/LR

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