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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 05:34:08 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Colour of my Exhaust

 I note that the inside of the
>Stromberg CD carbs and both of which use leaded fuel, is grey - as I would
>expect from a properly tuned car.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Is this normal for EFI engines or should I be looking for a tuneup with a
>view to improved fuel economy.

Ron

        This condition is normal for every Lucas Hotwire EFI rig I've seen.
Your is a non-catalyst, non-emissions tuned vehicle, I presume. Don't know
where you hail from.
         With regards to a tuneup, I'd evaluate the mileage and performance
first. Also, you have a very limited range of tuning options with EFI
compared to carbs. Most of what happens is controlled by the PROM. If yours
is a non-cat, then it also doesn't have oxygen sensors, which can actually
increse economy.A properly calibrated EFI engine with O2 sensors could
probably run a grey tailpipe. Let me know your setup and I might have a few
tuning tips for you
        Sounds like you've spent a fair bit of time tuning your Stromberg
equipped cars - I've seen darn few of them burning grey. They're usually
extremely rich. Accolades to your attentiveness.

        Jim Allen

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From: David W Scott <birddog@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: Range Rover Stalling and Smith Temp guage for a 11a
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:11:36 -0600
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Im sure both of these questions have been addressed before but I would =
appreciate the help.  My 1988 Range Rover stalls when you let off on the =
gas occasionally  it otherwise runs fine and has been recently tuned up =
with no change in the stalling.  Someone mentioned something about =
contacts being dirty on the O2 sensor?  any ideas?  I have started back =
work on Prince Charles the money pit and would like to get the temp =
guage working.  The prince is a 67 88 with the combo smith  temp oil =
press guage.  The temp has a metal tube that goes to it that is broken.  =
Can these be repaired..or what does list land do to access the engine =
temp on these mighty four cylinder engines.  I would like to keep it as =
original as possible.  Mike Smith told me of a company in New York that =
can restore the guages but they couldnt do anything about the tube?    I =
saw some recent post on  Aussie Land Rovers in Vietnam.  During 1968 I =
drove some of those while serving as an american replacement for one of =
their injured UDT divers.  I did several missions with the Aussies  and =
got my first exposure to the Land Rover.  I have never had any residual =
problems from serving in vietnam until I started rebuilding these Land =
Rovers.....talk about post traumatic stress....I have had two =
angioplasties since starting them.   thanks for the help  birddog.  
------ =_NextPart_000_01BC01EA.32DAB3E0

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 8:08:55 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: steering relay -- what is it? ;-)

>es kann ein verdammt ekelhaftes teil sein, wenn's schon l"anger nicht 
ausgebaut 
>wurde (ist meistens der fall).
You can say that again!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: David W Scott <birddog@atl.mindspring.com>
Subject: smith oil pressure temp guage and Range Rover Stalling
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 07:17:03 -0600

Im sure both of these questions have been addressed before but I would =
appreciate the help.  My 1988 Range Rover stalls when you let off on the =
gas occasionally  it otherwise runs fine and has been recently tuned up =
with no change in the stalling.  Someone mentioned something about =
contacts being dirty on the O2 sensor?  any ideas?  I have started back =
work on Prince Charles the money pit and would like to get the temp =
guage working.  The prince is a 67 88 with the combo smith  temp oil =
press guage.  The temp has a metal tube that goes to it that is broken.  =
Can these be repaired..or what does list land do to access the engine =
temp on these mighty four cylinder engines.  I would like to keep it as =
original as possible.  Mike Smith told me of a company in New York that =
can restore the guages but they couldnt do anything about the tube?    I =
saw some recent post on  Aussie Land Rovers in Vietnam.  During 1968 I =
drove some of those while serving as an american replacement for one of =
their injured UDT divers.  I did several missions with the Aussies  and =
got my first exposure to the Land Rover.  I have never had any residual =
problems from serving in vietnam until I started rebuilding these Land =
Rovers.....talk about post traumatic stress....I have had two =
angioplasties since starting them.   thanks for the help  birddog

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: More ??? on winches (was Re: Capstan Winch Gearing)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 20:27:00 EST

 -There is (or was) a manufacturer in Australia doing a hydraulic winch that 
uses the power steering pump to provide the hydraulics.

I recall it was rather expensive but it gives the advantage of all day 
operation - like a PTO winch.

If anyone is interested, I'll go to the library and dig out the article. 
 (Will have to wait until I return from Manila)

Regards

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re:  heads  finally off
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 20:27:00 EST

> I noticed that the lifters are more expensive than the Cam.
I noticed in the 4WD Catalogue (Australia) that hydraulic lifters are A$12 
each  (or about  US$7.50 each after you take OFF tax ypu don't have to pay)

> Also, your timing gear will be worn out in 160K - guaranteed.
Timing gears:  Crankshaft gear $A32, camshaft $A45, chain $A35

Can't see camshaft listed.  I'll have to follow this up myself one day.  I 
have a noisy tappet which just may be a worn cam

Ron

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 08:24:46 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Need mechanic help - but not on my Land Rover

 
     
     > It rund great, and starts cold with no problem. within a few minutes 
     >of turning it off, it will start right up. But if it sits for say 
     >about 15 minutes, then it will not start again until it has cooled 
     >down completly, 
     
     Ed. I had a 75 Pontiac Catalina with a similar problem. The starter 
     was replaced and it went away. Didn't nkow squat about cars at the 
     time, but I do know that the AAA guy shoved a 2x4 into the engine 
     compartment and I was then able to start it.
     
     Later
     DaveB.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: my annual visit to the dentist...
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 21:12:00 EST

Uncle Roger wrote:
> Changed my dental cleanings from an 1.5 hour nightmare
 of blood and pain into a 45 minute chat with a cute aussie.

Funny,  I don't recall meeting and chatting with you  8->

Regards

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 08:42:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Loctite

     
     >Hi all - yesterday I removed the top seat belt attachment brackets 
     >from the pickup cap and with some drilling and cutting they are ready 
     >to go into the SW. There was Loctite on the original fittings so I 
     >was going to do the same. A tinytube of Loctite (5ml, 0.2 fl.oz) 
     >costs the equivalent of US$ 46.00
     
     Forget the loctite. There's other ways of locking down fasteners. You 
     could probably buy bolts with built-in nylon locking patches for less 
     than 46.00...The seatbelts on the SIII don't have any type of locking 
     device. The brackets themselves may have split lockwashers. I find 
     that when left with no other choice, deforming a few of the threads 
     *just a little* does a great job of keeping them nice and tight.
     Epoxy cement would be good too. A bit harder to undo though...
     Cheers
     DaveB.

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From: JmieWilson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:09:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Diesel Engine noise

In a message dated 14/01/97  03:11:13, Michael Roberts wrote:

<< 	Sure!  Replace said diesel engine with a 2.25L petrol engine!  
 (Sorry, Couldn't resist!)  Maybe buy a louder stereo?
 Seriously, Try looking for the ads in LROI or LRW for BJ Acoustics.
  >>

PETROL ???? only an American would consider converting to PETROL.   Over
here, in the UK, we have to pay $5 a gallon and diesel although not much
cheaper does much better MPG.

Regards

Jamie

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 14 Jan 97 07:13:45 MST
Subject: Colour of my Exhaust

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Dunno what's "normal" but my '87 RR (EFI) is black in the pipe, as is my
'70 109 petrol 4 cylinder. The only fuel available here in the US is
unleaded.

Dave...

Habit is the best of servants,       #=======#         _____l___
or the worst of masters.             |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
- Nathaniel Emmens                   | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
-                                    "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
        Range Rover Owners <rro@playground.sun.com>
Subject: Colour of my Exhaust
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 16:28:00 EST
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X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0

This a question for drivers of leaded cars.  I note that the inside of the
exhaust pipe on my '83 Rangie (and my '71 Hillman), both of which have twin
Stromberg CD carbs and both of which use leaded fuel, is grey - as I would
expect from a properly tuned car.

However, the '86-87 EFI Rangie which also uses leaded has a black exhaust.
 Is this normal for EFI engines or should I be looking for a tuneup with a
view to improved fuel economy.

The reason I said the question was for leaded fuel users only is that I've
noticed that all unleaded cars seem to have a black carbon exhaust - unlike
leaded fuels.

Regards,

Ron

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From: "Zijp, Ferenc-Jan van" <fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl>
Subject: multifuel rovers
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 15:11:00 CET

Hi folks.

Been away, still no Landie but got my driver's licence, which is quite a   
feat in the Netherlands. A first step towards happy rovering.

More and more measures are been taken to put a leash on us happy   
motorists at this side of the pond. One of them is steep taxes on fuel. I   
wonder, what alternative fuels could be used in a LR with little (or a   
lot) changes to the engine?

Ideally, one could stop at a farm along the way, throw some corn in the   
tank, collect the airmiles and drive on (even better: with a new supply   
of popcorn).

Perhaps this is too much asked, but I'll settle for less. Let me know   
what you're thinking.

Rgrds,

Ferenc

PS This is about the umpth time I try to get this message through to the   
Major. I **really** would like to know if **anyone**, **anywhere** has   
read this posting. If it is the sixth time it shows up in the list, by   
all means, punish me.

#     fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl
#          ferencj@xs4all.nl
#
#  still roverless, but an avid dreamer
#
#   __________ <--- empty driveway (not even oil-stained)
#
#  An opinion is hard to get by, but when I have one,
#  I seriously doubt it is shared by my employer.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:38:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: More ??? on winches (was Re: Capstan Winch Gearing)

On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> The winch is reserved for folks blocking forward movement on the trail...

	So Zippy-tow does offer trail-side assistance, er recovery service
	if we sign up (which I would understand is free, just like the 
	transport to faraway events)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 16:55:00 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Re: Rangie heads  finally off

>From: "Jason B. Carroll" <jasonc@csdnet.com>
>Paul-
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Paul-
>  Congrats on getting it off! You are an inspiration to me! 
What? He got it off? And he posted an account to the list? And I missed it?
Aaaaagggghhh!

Oh? Oh! You mean, uh... :-)

W

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:08:08 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: multifuel rovers

OK OK we see you!
The best fuel for a Land Rover is diesel. That means you need an engine 
designed for it.
If you want to use natural gas, propane, methane, or some other similar 
fuel, the modifications may end up making it economically unfeasable. In 
addition, the vehicle may fail inspection, and have other hidden costs, 
such as reduced efficiency, premature wear etc. as well as the 
inconvenience of not having fuel supplies along the roadway.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:18:13 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Zippy Tow expansion (was Re: More ??? on winches)

>	So Zippy-tow does offer trail-side assistance, er recovery service
>	if we sign up (which I would understand is free, just like the
>	transport to faraway events)

Funny isn't it that Eric keeps making noises about being out of the towing
business, then goes and expands his services...

We've always had the 24hr emergency towing, and of course the free
technical support line and "I come to you" mechanical services.

Then there was the Rover-event transport service--remember, he called me
and offered!

And now there's this offroad recovery deal.

As soon as he gets the 88" on the road, it will be available as a loaner to
clients who are waiting for him to fix their Rovers.

Best of all, I understand that once he finishes law school he'll be
offering a total accident assistance plan--recovery/towing, repair
service/parts, loaner Rover, and legal representation--all with one toll
free phone call.

Did I forget to mention the Buffett ticket brokerage (at face value) and
the complimentary catered tailgate-party bus to concerts?  The ski lessons?
The heavily discounted air-taxi/ambulance service?

All part of Eric's plan to beat out AAA, and totally "own" the off/roadside
assistance market--for once I'm glad I'm an early adopter!

You know all kidding aside, most of what I said up there is true--he's
really done these things for me and for others.  We tease him a lot, and he
mostly deserves it, but Zipkin has proved to be a friend who goes above and
beyond.  I don't want it to go to his head, but it should be said,
publicly, that we appreciate him--even if I did have to sheetrock the
ceiling of his barn!

And now back to our regularly scheduled Zipkin-abuse.

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: multifuel rovers
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 15:21:00 PST

Your message made it to the list! Only one copy so far.....

LPG is probably the only simple conversion for a petrol Landie, but the tax 
on that is increasing faster than inflation :-(

I could send you some used oil so you can add oil stains to your drive if 
you want :-)

Landrovers ARE thirsty but you can justify this expense by offsetting it 
against depreciation, Landies don't!

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (oil slick in drive)
 ----------

Hi folks.

Been away, still no Landie but got my driver's licence, which is quite a
feat in the Netherlands. A first step towards happy rovering.

More and more measures are been taken to put a leash on us happy
motorists at this side of the pond. One of them is steep taxes on fuel. I
wonder, what alternative fuels could be used in a LR with little (or a
lot) changes to the engine?

Ideally, one could stop at a farm along the way, throw some corn in the
tank, collect the airmiles and drive on (even better: with a new supply
of popcorn).

Perhaps this is too much asked, but I'll settle for less. Let me know
what you're thinking.

Rgrds,

Ferenc

PS This is about the umpth time I try to get this message through to the
Major. I **really** would like to know if **anyone**, **anywhere** has
read this posting. If it is the sixth time it shows up in the list, by
all means, punish me.

#     fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl
#          ferencj@xs4all.nl
#
#  still roverless, but an avid dreamer
#
#   __________ <--- empty driveway (not even oil-stained)
#
#  An opinion is hard to get by, but when I have one,
#  I seriously doubt it is shared by my employer.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:36:20 +0000
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: military tires

I was wrong yesterday. Denman is in Ohio, not PA.
Telephone 800-547-1528 (outside Ohio) and 800-547-1537 (in Ohio).
They make (according to my '91 catalog) the military tires in 

size       Ply rating      OD          rim width
6.00x16     4              28.3            4.5
6.00x16     6              28.3            4.5
7.00x16     6              30.5            5.5
9.00x16     8              35.2            6.5
10.50x16   8              37.4            6.5

Denman also makes the Ground Hawg bias ply and radial that is a 
pretty well rated tire.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:35:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 16X7"-Military tires

Dr. Cooper,

There used to be a great military vehicle surplus business in Memphis.  For
the life of me I can't remember the name.  Try the Memphis phone book at the
library.  They had a lot of the Non-Directional Cross Country (NDCC) tires
from the old M151 "Jeeps" about two years ago.  

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "Zijp, Ferenc-Jan van" <fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl>
Subject: re: re: multifuel
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 16:35:00 CET

Hi Bill,

> OK OK we see you!

Thanks! Think I used the wrong address. Can't figure out why the mail   
disappeared, though.

>The best fuel for a Land Rover is diesel. That means you need an engine
>designed for it.
>If you want to use natural gas, propane, methane, or some other similar
>fuel, the modifications may end up making it economically unfeasable. In   

>addition, the vehicle may fail inspection, and have other hidden costs,
>such as reduced efficiency, premature wear etc. as well as the
>inconvenience of not having fuel supplies along the roadway.

Wait a sec, I think (at least some) petrol-roverites will disagree. A   
petrol engine could be easily converted to LNG (liquid natural gas, is   
'LNG' correct?), or is a L-R the exception to the rule. It's got space   
enough for the tank, though.
And what about alcohol, any brazilian rover-owner care to respond?
Let's forget for the moment about governmental restraints. Or am I to   
take my questions to alt.militia.com. :)

Greets,

Ferenc

#     fjvzijp@telecom.ordina.nl
#          ferencj@xs4all.nl
#
#  still roverless, but an avid dreamer
#
#   __________ <--- empty driveway (not even oil-stained)
#
#  An opinion is hard to get by, but when I have one,
#  I seriously doubt it is shared by my employer.  

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:39:53 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: multifuels for rovers

Some random thoughts:
Diesels can burn a variety of oils with little to no modifications; 
Rape-seed oil (aka Canola), Palm, Corn, Olive, etc. Some of these require 
heating even at normal temperatures to flow, but will meter through the fuel 
system once liquid. A whle back there was a fellow driving a modified VW 
diesel powered by used deep-fryer oil, which was free from fast-food places. 
His exhaust smelled like frenchfries.
Diesels can also run on Propane/LPG/Butane mixtures, but these are normally 
used in addition to injected diesel, which also acts as an ignition source. 
The gasses are injected into the intake air at such lean mixtures that they 
will not burn by themselves, but augment the diesel. Hydrogen has also been 
tried, but is expensive to safely contain in a vehicle-rated container.
Alcohols are close to gasoline in many respects, can be carbureted or 
injected, are friendly to the air we breath, and a well developed 
technology, but require careful storage to avoid absorbing water and may 
attack seals and plastics. They also can be difficult to ignite at low 
temperatures due to low vapor pressure.
I've often considered adding an electric booster motor to my 109 as a means 
of increasing the fuel mileage. Adding a 1 horsepower (for example) electric 
motor would be simple, yet would stretch the fuel used about 5%, yet only 
require one battery for my commute. Adding 2 hp nets 10%, etc. The 109 has 
room in the back for lots of batteries, and electricity is cheaper than gas 
or diesel. I may try it some day.

John Ousterhout
'64 109 diesel

The question was posed:
>wonder, what alternative fuels could be used in a LR with little (or a   
>lot) changes to the engine?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:08:28 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: re: re: multifuel

>Wait a sec, I think (at least some) petrol-roverites will disagree.
They don't know what they're talking about.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 11:13:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: multifuels for rovers

     
>Some random thoughts:
>Diesels can burn a variety of oils with little to no modifications; ...

> A whle back there was a fellow driving a modified VW diesel powered by 
>used deep-fryer oil, which was free from fast-food places. 

Great idea...especially if you want to whip up a batch of those tasty "Sump 
Fries"...

>>His exhaust smelled like frenchfries.

His or the car's?

Yuk!

DaveB.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:18:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: More ??? on winches (was Re: Capstan Winch Gearing)

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

>> The winch is reserved for folks blocking forward movement on the trail...
>	So Zippy-tow does offer trail-side assistance, er recovery service
>	if we sign up (which I would understand is free, just like the 
>	transport to faraway events)

Of course, along with helicopter recovery for the OVLR light off-road...
what will I think of next....

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:28:11 +0000
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: 16X7"-Military tires

> There used to be a great military vehicle surplus business in Memphis.  For
> the life of me I can't remember the name.
Memphis Equipment. Also in Mechanicsberg, PA
I meant to add in my last post to try Surplus houses.
There is at least one Military vehicle newsgroup that may have some 
leads for you also.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:35:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Zippy Tow expansion (was Re: More ??? on winches)

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com> wrote:

>Funny isn't it that Eric keeps making noises about being out of the towing
>business, then goes and expands his services...

See previous post...
>We've always had the 24hr emergency towing, and of course the free
>technical support line and "I come to you" mechanical services.

Yeah, that's right, Berg...and if I find you asleep on the creeper next time, 
you will be awakened with me towing you down the street.

>Then there was the Rover-event transport service--remember, he called me
>and offered!

You can talk to Mr. Lugnut about that....an empty car trailer is like a two 
wheel drive Rover....

>And now there's this offroad recovery deal.

No guarantees on the condition afterwards...I'm not much on chosing recovery 
points....you remember what happened with the gasket remover?

>As soon as he gets the 88" on the road, it will be available as a loaner to
>clients who are waiting for him to fix their Rovers.

Loaner?  As soon as the 88" is done the 109" will probably stay off the road 
forever...ship-builder's syndrome and all :)

>Best of all, I understand that once he finishes law school he'll be
>offering a total accident assistance plan--recovery/towing, repair
>service/parts, loaner Rover, and legal representation--all with one toll
>free phone call.

1-800-duh-zipp  Sorry, no "z" on the phone :)

>All part of Eric's plan to beat out AAA, and totally "own" the off/roadside
>assistance market--for once I'm glad I'm an early adopter!

And I have some fine waterfront property to sell you....

>And now back to our regularly scheduled Zipkin-abuse.

That's better....my head was swelling too much :)

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:40:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: More ??? on winches (was Re: Capstan Winch Gearing)

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> Of course, along with helicopter recovery for the OVLR light off-road...
> what will I think of next....

	So true, though if you knew what our SAR choppers were like, you
	would want to stay firmly on terra firma...  Your tow vehicle
	is far newer than the stuff we fly up here.  Anyone that goes
	for a ride on either our Labrador helicopters or in our subs 
	should get a medal for bravery.  The stuff is that old...  
	However, we note your trailer is a '94, your tow vehicle is
	a good ten years newer than your customer base...  You are
	doing quite well.  I am most impressed with your new lines
	of services as leaked via Mr. Berg.

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:48:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Zippy Tow expansion (was Re: More ??? on winches)

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> >And now back to our regularly scheduled Zipkin-abuse.
> That's better....my head was swelling too much :)

	He is so noble Jeff.  Voluntarily cutting down his potential 
	customer base to better serve the people on this mailing list.
	Brings a tear to your eye, seeing such selfless service to
	us...

	I hear that he is going to follow the 80" Camel Trophy team this
	year through Mongolia, being there just in case they may possibly
	get stuck (nasty rumour has it he is only following the contents
	of the powered trailer.  Never!)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:02:12 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Zippy Tow expansion (was Re: More ??? on winches)

>Yeah, that's right, Berg...and if I find you asleep on the creeper next
>>time, you will be awakened with me towing you down the street.

A 'Solihull sleigh ride'--cool!  Maybe it could be an event in the next
Aluminium Man Triathlon(TM)...

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg    Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                   jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ----------------
	Look what happens when you love someone,
	and they don't love you.
                             --Warren Zevon, The Heartache

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 07:24:47 +1300
From: Graeme Falloon <xtr82577001@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Diesel Engine noise

Michael Roberts wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, Keith W. Cooper wrote:
> > Anyone know of any tips for decreasing diesel engine noise inside a SIIA
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
> > 88" SW with a 2.25 L diesel engine?
Take the top off!!!
I did this to my swb and it is a lot quieter...however I suspect that
your weather may not allow this...

Graeme Falloon

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:21:30 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: V8 Timing Gears

To All V8ers,

        I caution against the factory style timign gear, While I was
wrenching on RRs full-time, I tore a good number apart and checked their
cam timing. I was looking for the answer as to why two identical vehicles
were at opposite ends of the performance spectrum. I found that out of 25 I
checked over about 3 years ('88-'92), 8 or 10 were spot on, 5 or 6 were
radically retarded (up to 8 degrees) and the rest were advanced from 1 to 5
degrees. The pot-on ones were Ok, the advanced ones ran the best and the
retarded ones were, well retarded.
        This follows general cam timing guidelines. Retarding the cam costs
you low end for slight gain in upper end, advancing gains you a snappier
lower end at the expense of some upper end.
        The error noted were in the placement of the keyways in the gears.
The cams I checked were dead on. This error is a machining error that
doesn't take into account wear and tear. The scintered gear with the nylon
teeth is also not the strongest outfit you can install.
        My advice is not to shop for bottom line price. Unless the cheapest
equipment is a known quantity, stay away. You can, and should check cam
timing every time but if you can't, buy the best equipment and your odds
are better.
        My advice is to buy the Cloyes True Roller #9-3132 chain. J.C.
Whitney sells them at about $35 U.S. or you can get them locally. It's a
roller chain with steel gears and will stay dead on forever. I've sested
three sets and they were spot-on. They also have three keyways, one at "0",
4 degrees advance and 4 degrees retarded.
        Barring that, always opt for steel gears and check cam timing with
a dial indicator and degree wheel to be sure.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 13:44:32 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: K&N Part Numbers

 To all interested K&N users,

        Here is a listing of part numbers for all Land Rover products and
adapations for the 2.25L engines. I've posted this stuff before, twice, so
please print out a copy for reference.

Range Rover, '86-94 Classic, w/Lucas Hotwire EFI (cylindrical filt.)- E-2350
Range Rover, '95 Classic, w/Lucas Hotwire EFI (flat filt.)-           33-2737
Defender 90, 110, '93-97 w/Lucas Hotwire EFI, NAS, -                  E-2350
Discovery - '94-97 w/EFI-                                             33-2737
Range Rover 4.0, 4.6- '95-97-                                         33-2744

2.25L Engines:
Zenith or Weber 34ICH (2-1/4" O.D. throat)-                           RU-0690
Solex (2-5/8" O.D. throat)                                            RU-2650
PVC equipped vehicles will also need a breather filter-               62-1320
(install on hose nipple on valve cover berather cap)

        Have fun!

        Jim Allen

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From: "Robert Bell" <tradica@netzone.com>
Subject: Arizona Rover Adventure Pictures
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 14:02:01 -0700

http://www.tradica.com/rover

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 97 16:17:10 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Prolonged Service from Fuel Tank

     Hello again all -
     
     I thought I read a thread in the past stating the life expectancy of a 
     fuel tank to be about 5 years.  If I seam-seal the top & side seams 
     but leave the bottom open for drainage, would this prolong the life?  
     
     Any thoughts?  Thank in advance.
     
     Ray Scholl
     rscholl@lib.com
     1970 SIIA 88" SW (RHD, daily driver)
     1960 SII  88" SW (LHD, 90% restored, FS)
     etc.....

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:45:48 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: multifuel rovers

At 03:11 PM 1/14/97 CET, you wrote:
>More and more measures are been taken to put a leash on us happy   
>motorists at this side of the pond. One of them is steep taxes on fuel. I   
>wonder, what alternative fuels could be used in a LR with little (or a   
>lot) changes to the engine?

Someone in the UK converted a Range Rover to electric power, and there are
at least 2 electric Series vehicles here in the states, courtesy of Wilde
EVolutions.  If you're interested, I can get you more info.

>Major. I **really** would like to know if **anyone**, **anywhere** has   
>read this posting. If it is the sixth time it shows up in the list, by   

First time I've seen it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Subject: Re: military tires (& "knobbies")
From: dcockey@juno.com (David Cockey)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:33:43 EST

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:36:20 +0000 "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
writes:

>I was wrong yesterday. Denman is in Ohio, not PA.
>Telephone 800-547-1528 (outside Ohio) and 800-547-1537 (in Ohio).
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>9.00x16     8              35.2            6.5
>10.50x16   8              37.4            6.5

>From Coker Tire (1-800-251-6336) ad in Hemming's 11/96:
600-16 Military NDT 4 ply $59
650-16 Military NDT 6 ply $61
700-16 Military NDT          $87
750-16 Military NDT          $136
600-16 Firestone Knobby $94
650-16 Firestone Knobby $98

I haven't seen the Firestone Knobby tires and don't have any idea what
the tread is like. Probably not up to serious off-road use but may be
appropriate if the original look is desired.

NDT (none directional tread) has a center ring with large lugs on
alternating sides. Nod direct experience but I understand they are noisy,
can be a handful on slippery surfaces, and off road traction isn't great.
Anyone with experience care to comment?

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers? (fwd)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:17:00 EST

Richard asked:
>Different question: Tow ropes: Nylon or polypropylene? I see LRW have
>a special offer for polyP rope with shackles. My old rope is already
>fraying (not sure if its polyP or nylon) - mainly because of the lack of
>a shackle (a long story). L25 I think including, wait for it, gloves!

Richard.

In an emergency, I recently bought a tow rope from a service station.
This "tow rope" (for want of a better description), on the first attempt to
 use it, failed.  This rope was, in construction, like the old Chines finger
 puzzle - you know the one where, if you put your fingers in, you can't
pull them out.  You have to pull in to loosen then slide the finger out.

The rope passed thru the eye in the tow hook and then was spliced
 back into itself.

The first time it got jerked, the splice let go.  After several weeks, the
service station replaced it.  The next time I used the new one, the same
 thing happened.  Unfortunately, they wouldn't refund my money - only ]
give me yet another replacement.  I've since bought a flat tow strap
that looks like a snatch strap but doesn't  stretch.  It has sewn eyes
just like a snatch strap.  Price A$30, length was 5 metres.

Regards

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9339-6921
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:38:27 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Guages

Spent several hours trying to sort out the electric oil pressure guage.  
Apparently, the guage works (it goes to max when jumpered and grounded) and 
the sending unit *seem* to work.  It's just that all the wires are buggered.

Anyway, the feed to the original guage is a simple red wire - and it is 
*not* included in the factory manual wiring diagram.  Going to route a new 
one (pull the parcel sub-tray on a Series III - what a fun job!) but does 
the feed have to be "stabilized" or will any hot lead work?  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:12:22 -0500
Subject: Gearbox

 Adrian writes

Thanks Bill Leacock for putting me right - does that mean that I only
need to replace a few bushes and gears, and not the whole rebuild job?
And what about this detent spring business, where is it, how do you get
to it....? 
- 

 generally this is enough, I have repaired  scores,  note the repaired, not
reconditioned which is a word differentiation that some gearbox
"reconditioners " do not underestand.

The detent springs are located at the top of the main gearbox, in the side,
theye are accessed by removing what loks like a piece of angle which is
secured on the top by  2 - 1/4" UNC/ Whitworth ( depending on age ) screws .
 Removal of the plate exposes a rubber ring which is around a spring. This
spring pushes against the detent ball which serves to hold the selector
shaft in position. The one on the left is 3/4 gear, the one on the right is
reverse gear and 1/2 is located under a brass fitting in the center of the
top plate.
  Sometimes a new spring or a bit of stretch on an old spring will give a
little more security to the selector, though if the gears ar4e worn as I
described in my earlier postings this extra spring load will make no difference.

 Regards   Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Colour of my Exhaust
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 10:08:00 EST

Ron originally wrote:
> I note that the inside of the exhaust pipe on my '83 Rangie
> (and my '71 Hillman), both of which have  twinStromberg
> CD carbs and both of which use leaded fuel, is grey - as I would
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
>EFI exhaust black.   Is this normal for EFI engines or should I
>be looking for a tuneup with a view to improved fuel economy.

To which Jim Allen replied:

>This condition is normal for every Lucas Hotwire EFI rig I've seen.
>Your is a non-catalyst, non-emissions tuned vehicle, I presume. Don't know
>where you hail from.

I'm from Australia.  (I thought my spelling of "colour" and "grey"
might have indicated I was from a " real English" speaking
country 8->
 My car is fitted with am aftermarket EFI system,
the Australian Haltech F3 computer, because the original computer
& injectors are, I am told, incapable of providing the fuel required by
the 4.8L bored & stroked Rover engine.  You're right, it does appear
to be an open-loop system abd, I too, would expect better control
from a closed loop system.  Putting in an O2 sensor would, I expect,
be a waste of time.  The leaded fuel would probably ruin it.
Australian vehicles of that era are emissions tuned.

> With regards to a tuneup, I'd evaluate the mileage and performance
>first.
I am keeping a watch on fuel economy - performance is hard to
evaluate because the car has so much power.
I'll chase down Haltech because there computer is programmable.
One can plug in a PC and adjust it.  I don't have the software.  On their
later units, software is supplied.  My computer is probably of 1989
vintage - that's when the 4.8L was put in.

>Sounds like you've spent a fair bit of time tuning your Stromberg
>equipped cars - I've seen darn few of them burning grey.
> They're usually extremely rich. Accolades to your attentiveness.

No, not really.  I rarely ever touch them.  I've maybe tuned the Hillman
carbs once every couple of years (if that).  I've checked them
occasionally by lifting the dash pots and listening to the intake noise
with a bit of tube over the intake mouth and the other end in my ear.
Nothing special.  But, I have regularly checked the colour of the
exhaust.  Perhaps, because it's usually grey, I've never had to do
much to the carbs. BTW, I push the Hillman along - and have done
since I bought it as a callow youth in 1971.

Lastly, I noticed our 1990 Ford Falcon 4 litre 6-cyl (a good car, good
EFI etc) always ran black in the exhaust.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9339-6921
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:11:58 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Palm tree mechanics, was Loctite

>On Tue, 14 Jan 97, Dave Bobeck opined:

> I find that when left with no other choice, deforming a few of the threads 
>just a little does a great job of keeping them nice and tight.

But I was trying to keep it original!
If the company drops the square LRs, as we read here recently, things like this 
could be important in 20 years' time. 

Thanks,
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 22:11:55 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Manila Trip

On Tue, 14 Jan 97, "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au> wrote:
>Anything I should see or do in Manila?

Check out the decorations, and herds of metal horses mounted on the bonnets, of 
an infinite variety of locally-made stainless-steel jeepneys, and wonder at the 
startling driving habits as you spend 3 hours on the same multilane freeway 
still in the same city, and still going in the same direction. If you have to 
take a taxi check that it has an Aircon logo, or take a gas mask. Others should 
be able to advise on different attractions. I have always found the place 
fascinating, from the point of view of how bad can the combination of traffic 
and people get. Have never seen an LR product there, although we know from the 
list that there are some.
Cheers,
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:20:15 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: timing chain

I`ve had an occaisional rattle on start-up for many years and with the
recent postings on timing chains exploding and rendering engines to scrap,
I`ve ordered a timing chain kit.  There is a substitute for the plunger-type
which is stated to be better and this is the type I`ve ordered.  Someone
just submitted a fine little article on the job of doing the timing chain
and it`s not in my file.  Does anyone know who wrote the posting and any
advice on the job ahead would be welcome.     Thanks,  John Cooper 1969 11a
(2 1/4 litre)

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:24:35 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: The List, February 1997 Men's Journal

Dear Men's Journal:

As a long-time reader and subscriber, I feel it's necessary to tell you
that you really missed the boat in the February 1997 "The List" column.
I'm referring to your selection for "The Ride", a vintage Toyota Land
Cruiser--the pretender to the throne.

When the going gets tough, the tough choose the real thing.  The ride of
choice being a Series I...II...IIa...or III Land-Rover.  Series Land-Rovers
are available in several sizes and body styles.  Mine happens to be a short
wheel base soft-top, similar in size to the Land Cruiser pictured in your
list.  If you need more capacity,the long wheel base Station Wagon is
capable of hauling 12 passengers, or a whole lot of gear, to just about
anyplace on Earth.

Sandblasting and powder coating?  Unless it's caused by desert- or
snow-storms, don't bother.  The Land-Rover's aluminum body panels don't
care.  After a few trips in the "outback" your paint will be marred by
brush pinstripes anyway--the results of branches and rocks scraping along
the vehicle.  Land-Rovers wear this hard-earned patina with pride.  But
don't take a pocket knife to your paint...only a poseur fakes "the look".

It's true that a number of fleet buyers in places like Iran and Africa did
switch from English Land-Rovers to Japanese models. Not because they were
better vehicles--they just cost less to buy.  These buyers soon learned
that the lower initial price was offset by higher maintenance costs and a
shorter useful life.  To quote an old Rover advertising slogan,
"Land-Rover's first because Land-Rovers last!"

As for Mr. Ward's claim that the Toyota is indestructible, I'd confidently
drive a Cruiser on a trail ride.  However, if I'm going to take to the real
outback, the vehicle will be one of Solihull's finest, a Land-Rover.

Best regards, RoverOn!

Jeff Berg

P.S.

For more information I invite you to have a look at my own vintage Rover at
<http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/Jeff-Rover/JeffsRover.html>

Or other Land-Rovers in another web article I wrote about a club rally:
<http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/Mid-AtlanticII/Middy95.html>

Please note that I just noticed that some of the links external to my
articles are blown because the RoverWeb has changed servers. I don't have
direct access to the server so I can't fix them right away.  To view other
peoples contributions to RoverWeb, start off at
<http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/>

If you like what you see let me know. I'll soon be posting several new
articles about events from this past summer...and lots more photos. And if
Men's Journal really wants to understand what it's all about, I invite you
to send a journalist along with me to any of several events this coming
summer.

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Purple Shark Media
16 Vanderbilt Ave.  Rowayton, CT  06853
PH: (203) 855-7764
FAX:(203) 855-7768 (call first though, sorry.)
mailto:jeff@purpleshark.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:01:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Blair Gillespie <Gillespie@thegrid.net>
Subject: Argentina trip

Good evening,
        Well after a year of marriage we are finally going to take our
honeymoon. Not that taking two weeks off to get married and spending 11 days
driving from SF to Santa Fe NM and back ( In a Range Rover no less ) is not
a honeymoon. My wife thinks that all honeymoons involve an airplane so its
off to South America we go. 
        I was lucky enough to live there as an exchange student in high
school and have been back a couple of times since. Its been to long since my
last trip ( 8 years) so we are looking forward to the trip.
        Whats this have to do with Land Rovers you ask ? 
1. Is their anybody on the list from Argentina ?
2. Does anybody know if I could rent a Land Rover in Argentina ?
3. Has anybody been there and done anything fun or interesting ?
        Just Wondering,
                        Blair
        
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
1988 Range Rover
1972 Land Rover 88
1967 FLH HD

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:36:43 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Men's Journal--original article

In case you were curious about the letter I sent to the editor of Men's
Journal magazine...and to the "compiler" of the following tidbit, I thought
I'd post the original article to which I was responding.

This tidbit appeared in the February 1997 issue of Men's Journal, p 27, as
part of a section called:

The List
The don't miss news of the month

The Ride

The hippest sport-utes these days are vintage Toyota Land Cruisers restored
at places like TLC in Van Nuys, California (818-785-2200) and Cool Cruisers
of Rowlett, Texas (972-463-1590).  After replacing valves, fans, rotors,
and the like on BJ40 and FJ40 models from the mid-'60s to 1991, these
outfits sandblast, powder-coat, bake, and paint the exterior metal, all for
$2500 (for a small job) to $25,000 (if you need to have the Cruiser thrown
in as well).  "Why do you think Land Cruisers are the vehicles of choice in
Iraq and the outback?" asks TLC proprietor Jonathan Ward, who says odometer
readings of 300,000 miles aren't uncommon.  "These babies are
indestructible."
===

I hope I set them straight...

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:48:13 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: 4x4 and 4x5 (View Cameras)

>> If I were to associate field photographers with 4X4s, I would put large
>> format photographers with series and Defender Land Rovers.
>Sure, mine is a 1957 SI and a 4x5 rail-mounted Graflex.  However, you
>forgot the 35mm rangefinder Leica. If you have ever held a Leica M2
>camera body in your hands, you'll know what I mean!

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on this point.  A really good weekend to
me is a trip to the back country with plenty of slow kodachrome for the F1
Cannon and Tri-X for the M3 Leica.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:51:47 -0500
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Missing Gas Cap

Steve,

I'm surprised you didn't see me towing my new(?) '73 SIII from
Yarmouthport, Ma. to my home in NJ behind my Range Rover.

Sorry to hear about your gas cap. Did you at least have a Winter Ale at
Gritty's in Portland?

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
94 D90
90 RR County
73 SIII swb

>Date: 13 Jan 97 20:54:29 EST
>From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@CompuServe.COM>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>All:
>This past weekend I took my 72 88 on a trip from Va. Beach to Boston,
Portland
>Me. and back.  On the way up I had a hand made wooden display case
strapped to
>the roof and coming home I was towing a pretty good sized trailer.  While
>touring in Maine I saw a grey sII 88 with a hardtop on a trailer being
towed by
>a pickup truck through Lisbon Falls - it looked like someone just made a
>purchase.
>See ya on the road.  Steve.
>(72 SIII 88, 4x5 speed graphic, 4x5 cambo view)

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:59:17 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: my annual visit to the dentist...

>Uncle Roger wrote:
>> Changed my dental cleanings from an 1.5 hour nightmare
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Ron Beckett
>Emu Plains, Australia

He's the bloke with his mouth open, smelling of oil.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:01:46 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: Ramsey Winch

The '58 Ser I 107" pickup I recently acquired (you buy cars, acquire
Land-Rovers) has a Ramsey drum winch operated by the front PTO.  It is
labeled model 200R-98, Capacity 8000 lbs, Serial number 37289.  It is a
substantial unit with its own subframe.  It looks kinda like it was dealer
installed.  I do not know if it works (the engine is down for the moment).
I am willing to give it away, along with the drive shaft back to the PTO
gear box (but not to include the PTO box) to anyone who pays the shipping
(it weighs about 75 lbs!).  From Arizona.

                                                                            
     Denny   

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From: "Ian Stuart" <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:39:49 +0000
Subject: Re: military tires (& "knobbies")

On 14 Jan 97, David Cockey wrote:

> I haven't seen the Firestone Knobby tires and don't have any idea
> what the tread is like. Probably not up to serious off-road use but
> may be appropriate if the original look is desired.
In this part of the world, knobblies (AKA suger-cubes) are the 
Maxicross type tyres.

The tread pattern is 2"-square cubes of rubber set in regimented rows 
across the tyre.  The tyres have phenominal grip off road, but 
absolutely no decent grip on tarmac.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        Phone: +44 131 650 3027
    Medicine & Veterinary medicine Support Team,
    University Computing Services, 
    Edinburgh University. 

Personal Web pages: <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:51:49 +0700 (TST)
From: "John M. Baker" <jbaker@ksc8.th.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

This is my first time writing to any list, so I hope I am doing it right.
Someone asked about Land Rovers in Thailand. They were assembled here and
there are still quite a number about. I just bought a 75 109. Parts are
plentiful and copies still manufactured. I just came back from Burma last
week, and they too have lots of Land Rovers and Jeeps. Many of the Land
Rovers were really old, I don't know which Series, but not IIA or III.

On Tue, 14 Jan 1997 Owner-LRO-Digest@playground.sun.com wrote:

> Land-Rover-Owner List &  Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List
> The List pages (including subscribe/unsubscribe forms) start at:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 2828 lines)]
> If majordomo barfs at something, and you're convinced he should have 
> understood what you sent him, contact majordomo-owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>   -B

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Camel Trophy Screen Saver
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 17:08:00 EST

OK, it took just on two hours to down load the screen saver via the Internet 
but having seen it, there is a question I need answered.

How did they get through that water without drowning the ignition?  Were the 
cars all TDi engined?

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9339-6921
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Loctite
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 17:08:00 EST

> A tinytube of Loctite (5ml, 0.2 fl.oz)
     >costs the equivalent of US$ 46.00

Dave Brobeck replied:
     Forget the loctite. There's other ways of locking down fasteners. You
     could probably buy bolts with built-in nylon locking patches for less
     than 46.00...

In Australia we call them nyloc nuts.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9339-6921
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Need mechanic help - but not on my Land Rover
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 17:08:00 EST

Ed wrote:

     > It rund great, and starts cold with no problem. within a few minutes

     >of turning it off, it will start right up. But if it sits for say
     >about 15 minutes, then it will not start again until it has cooled
     >down completly,

Dave Brobeck replied
>     Ed. I had a 75 Pontiac Catalina with a similar problem. The starter
     was replaced and it went away.

Ed,  will the car spin over on the starter.  If not does the solenoid click 
in when you turn the key?

Like Dave, I too had an intermittent starter on a Toyota Corona (GM engined 
Australian version).

I pulled that bugger down and couldn't fault it - until after I put it back 
in and it failed again.
Normally pulling a starter is easy but not on this beast.  It had a support 
bracket at the end and the only way to remove it without removing the 
manifolds was to disassemble in situ.  It went back in without the support 
bracket.

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9339-6921
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 Range Rover 3.5L manual
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Camel Trophy Screen Saver
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 11:11:00 PST

All Camel trophy vehicles for the last 2 years at least have , to my 
knowledge, been TDIs. Haven't seen the screen saver, what's the URL for it?

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------

OK, it took just on two hours to down load the screen saver via the Internet 

but having seen it, there is a question I need answered.

How did they get through that water without drowning the ignition?  Were the 

cars all TDi engined?

Ron Beckett

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