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From: JmieWilson@aol.com

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Subject: Teflon tape
From: robot1@juno.com (Mark E Hardig)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 07:50:38 EST

The thread about Teflon Tape to seal brake bleeder screws is an
interesting idea. Wish I'd thought of that before I removed all of mine
and turned a groove for an o-ring...

Remember to tighten carefully; Teflon acts as a lubricant and can decieve
you as to how tight the fitting is. Very possible to draw threads or
crack fittings before the fitting "feels"
tight.													

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From: eheite@dmv.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:08:55 -0500
Subject: Stud nuts and view cameras

TeriAnn-

I was wondering when someone would suggest two nuts jammed together. In
your area do they sell screw extractors? This is a tapered backwards screw
with a shank you can chuck in a tap holder. Drill a small hole in the
offending screw and just turn it out. As you turn in the removal direction,
the extractor bites deeper and deeper into the screw. I used mine recently
on my oil pan, changing a stud with the contents intact.

Sounds like a fine camera. I have been using a 4x5 B&J rail job for longer
than I will admit, but my old 5x7 Rochester view adapted glassplate camera
still gets my vote for technical shots. Why are we talking about view
cameras as if they were Land Rovers?

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:20:13 +1000
From: Alex Easton <easton@gil.com.au>
Subject: Re: SU/Stromberg CD carbs

Jim Allen saw SU carbs on a D110? In Australia the only 110s that have
carbies at all are petrol engined.
easton@gil.com.au

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:31:25 +1000
From: Alex Easton <easton@gil.com.au>
Subject: Re: diesel engine noise

Turn the engine off.
Seriously though, I fitted sound deadening material under the bonnet, on
the engine side of the firewall and on the inner guards. Inside the cab
I fitted half-inch thick foam rubber onto the firewall, floors, seat
boxes, inside the doors and 4inch thick foam rubber in the rear (an old
3ft bed mattress fitted the rear floor perfectly. I then fitted kitchen
carpet or was it bathroom carpet to the floors, sides and roof of my
Series III 109 diesel. The decible level dropped from 85 to 84.5. I
think ear muffs may help.
Alex Easton.

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From: "Delve, Trefor" <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: Advice from anyone in Boston
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 97 13:35:00 GMT

All,

I will shortly be moving to Boston (leaving the LR in the UK I'm afraid).   
 I could do with a few bits of advice.

If there are any members on the 'net who live in Boston, could they   
contact me off line.

Many thanks,

Trefor

(SIII, SWB, 3.0L V6)  

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From: QROVER80@aol.com

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From: Spenny@aol.com

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From: QROVER80@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 16:23:30 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Teflon tape

Dave Bobeck wrote:
>  As far as I know, teflon is inert.  ANybody care to disagree?

Teflon is inert but to give it it's stretchyness it might have something
else added (normally it's very brittle). Brakefluid is such an aggresive
fluid because it is extremely hydroscopic, that's why you should always
simply wash it off with loads of water. This is a different mechanism
than petrol that I think desolves certain hydrocarbon materials. The
best test would be to submerge it in brakefluid and stretch it, if it
doesn't go brittle, soft or sticky, then it's probably not affected.
The only thing I worry about is that it might get inbetween the face and
seat of the bleed screw, and be forced out by the extreme pressure of
braking, resulting in a slow brake failure.

Happy rovering,
Floris Houniet.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:25:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Dinghy Hoops

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com> wrote:

I'll just call Zippy Tow!

Allright....you asked for it...I know where you live...:)
>I can always start dating tall women who love to sail...

Now, now, Jeff.  We're talking in the realm of possibility... ;)

Rgds,
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:25:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com> wrote:

>Eric Zipken, aka EZ-E, propriator of Zippy Two rants:
>>I don't remember Russ saying anything about age....I think you fantasies are
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>>Russ W.
>RoverOn!
OK, OK, so I can't read....that still doesn't prevent me from a variety of 
career choices:  Sanitation engineer, petroleum transfer engineer, Rover 
mechanic, Attorney, Vice-President....

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:15:05 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Stud nuts and view cameras

At  8:08 AM 1/12/97 -0500, eheite@dmv.com wrote:

>I was wondering when someone would suggest two nuts jammed together. In
>your area do they sell screw extractors?

Yes.  I have a set of extractors.  You just need to be careful not to brake
one trying to pull a stuck screw.  It puts you in a world of hurt.

Here is how I personally handle stuck bolts & studs:

penatration oil liberally applied & time allowed for penatration,
Occasional beating with soft hammer and torch heating applied to try & get
movement between bolt or stud & what its bolted to

1. Use proper size 6 sided socket / two jam nuts with proper closed wrench
2. file opposit rounded sides flat and try with ether adjustable spanner or
vice grips tightened very tight.
3, Center punch centre and make hole for screw extractor using special left
hand drill.  Often the screw will come out while the hole is being drilled.
4. Screw extractor.  If it seems like I'm putting a lot of torque on a
screw extractor. the project goes to a machine shop where they can drill
out the bolt/stud at correct angle and rethread hole.

>Sounds like a fine camera. I have been using a 4x5 B&J rail job for longer
>than I will admit,

I was thinking of refinishing a B&J before I came across my camera.  The
Wisner was like new,  It belonged to Sacramento State University photo
dept.  They were sellig it and & other equipment they were not using to
raise money for other projects.  I've used the camera outside while it was
snowing, and raining.  Its been on the beach with sand and spray flying, in
slot canyons with desert sand raining down on the camera.  Its never given
me a problem and cleans up easily.

> but my old 5x7 Rochester view adapted glassplate camera
>still gets my vote for technical shots.

Have you tried doing glass plate work?  There is a guy doing it with the
local cival ware reenactment groups.  There is always a line of people
waiting to get their portraits done when he is set up.

I keep toying with the idea of getting into a large view camera to spend
more time doing paladium printing.  A 4X5 contact print seems a little
small & toy like to me.  I saw the work of someone using a big banquet
camera for paladium printing.  The depth and detail was awsome.

> Why are we talking about view cameras as if they were Land Rovers?

Because they are big, and highly adaptable.  They prove that an older
technology can perform as well or better than designs made with the latest
technology.  You never do anything fast with them.  I think large format
field photography attracts many of the same kinds of people  that are
attracted to series Land Rovers.

If I were to associate field photographers with 4X4s, I would put large
format photographers with series and Defender Land Rovers.  Also maybe with
jeeps that originally came with 4 cylinder engines. (Dependable yet quirky,
slow, deliberate and more zen like, buts you in closer contact with nature
and your inner feelings)  This is where exposing 12 sheets of film can be
considered a good satisfying day.

Hassleblad photographers would go in Mercedes, Lexus or Range Rover 4X4s.
(New, high quality, dependable, flashy) This is where exposing 5 rools of
120 film (60 images) is considered a very productive day.

I'd probably associate 35mm field photographers with Jeeps, Toyotas and
Discoverys.  (New, shiny, fast, high technology, easy to use, dependable)
This is where you go out and shoot 5 rolls of 36 exposure film (180 images)
and rush home to see what you have.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 23:59:51 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Front Springs

Michel Bertrand wrote:
> At 20:18 97-01-09 +0000, you wrote:
> >I'm interested in purchasing front springs for my late IIa 109. I
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> 1973 88 SW (21st century project)             \        /
>                                                \______/

I bought a set of springs from England then found out I could have 
purchased the same springs in Edmonton for less.  Contact Malcolm 
Engleman at 1-403-967-5531.  Tell him you want the same springs Dave 
Place got through him from Bearmach and he will give you a good deal.  
They were "much" cheaper than when I ordered them myself.  I happened to 
be going to Edmonton that month and picked them up and carried them 
baggage for free.  You will have to pay shipping from Edmonton but if you 
have some means of getting them you will like the price.  Call him after 
10 P.M. his time since he works afternoons.  Dave VE4PN 
P.S. order the bushings and shackles otherwise it isn't worth doing the 
job only to find things haven't improved.  It will only add about $50 
total.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 00:09:47 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Re- Tailgate Chain Music?

LT J Jackson wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> > I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
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> Jeff
> 73 SIII 88 HT ("Galloping Gertie")

Try heat shrink tubing.  It will mold itself to the chain and it won't 
fill with water.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 10:53:53 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Heater vents again

This morning while installing a heat keeper on my wifes dryer, I realized 
that this unit is exactly what we need to divert the air from the side 
intake on the Ser III and late IIA so we can recycle warm air.  The unit 
has three 4" opeings and has a trip handle on the side which will let air 
go straight through or be diverted out the screened opeining.  In our 
area we divert the dryer air inside in winter to help warm the house and 
in summer we send the damp warm air outside.  The unit is small, made of 
good quality plastic and has a nice screen that can be removed for 
cleaning.  Best of all it has a barometric damper with a spring that can 
be adjusted to admit a bit of outside air in our case to keep the windows 
clear.  Finally it only cost me $6.99 at the local lumber store :-)  The 
unit could be worked with a bowden cable if you really wanted to make a 
neat job of it, but it isn't a problem to just reach over and trip the 
handle if you didn't like the setting.  Dave VE4PN

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From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 08:46:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Tyres

Does anyone have any experience/comments on the Cooper Super-Traction
tyres?

Frank

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:10:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Tyres

On Sun, 12 Jan 1997, fhyap@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>Does anyone have any experience/comments on the Cooper Super-Traction
>tyres?
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>Does anyone have any experience/comments on the Cooper Super-Traction
>tyres?
I've been running as set of Cooper tires on my 109" for the last 20k miles or 
so.  I don't remember off-hand which specific model they are but the tread is a 
mildly agressive M+S, not ideal for off-roading but great for dirt roads and 
snow.  In about another 5k miles I'll have to go for a new set and I'll probably 
go for the next most aggressive pattern for better off-road performance.  I've 
had no problems whatsoever and the price differential is enough to make up for 
the lesser tread life than something like a Michelin.

As always, YMMV...

_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 11:26:00 -6
Subject: Re: Teflon tape

> >       As far as I know, teflon is inert.  Anybody care to disagree?
Technically it isn't, as the crew of Apollo 13 will attest.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:29:16 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: tail gate chain music

A company called P.A. Blanchard in UK [ tel:+44-1430-872765, fax 872777]
stocks what you need. `sleeve, tailgate chain' part nbr is 330422 and
you'll need 4, two per sidethey're £3.25 each. All it ids is a piece of
lether about 1.5in wide, folded over and stitched down one side so easy to
make.however blanchards is a great source of hrad to find bits, their
catalogue is worth getting. They take a lot of ex-mil vehicles to dismantle
for spares. Another cheap noise stopper is to put 1in diameter expanded
polyurethane[?] pipe lagging,along edges of  bonnet[hood] cuts eng noise &
hood `boom'.
Cheers
Mike Gaines

`84 SIII Lightweight `Wicked Wanda' (after the steering)
`93 Defender (to stop wife moaning)
`67 lancia monte carlo Beta basketcase anybody want it?

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:29:16 -0500
From: Mike Gaines <106220.1234@compuserve.com>
Subject: tail gate chain music

A company called P.A. Blanchard in UK [ tel:+44-1430-872765, fax 872777]
stocks what you need. `sleeve, tailgate chain' part nbr is 330422 and
you'll need 4, two per sidethey're £3.25 each. All it ids is a piece of
lether about 1.5in wide, folded over and stitched down one side so easy to
make.however blanchards is a great source of hrad to find bits, their
catalogue is worth getting. They take a lot of ex-mil vehicles to dismantle
for spares. Another cheap noise stopper is to put 1in diameter expanded
polyurethane[?] pipe lagging,along edges of  bonnet[hood] cuts eng noise &
hood `boom'.
Cheers
Mike Gaines

`84 SIII Lightweight `Wicked Wanda' (after the steering)
`93 Defender (to stop wife moaning)
`67 lancia monte carlo Beta basketcase anybody want it?

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From: GElam30092@aol.com

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Subject: New Hampshire Winter Romp
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:11:11 -0500

All, 

After the abortive attempt to go off-roading last weekend. I have scouted
out another route. This one is not maintained by the state or town. It is
marked on the maps. My neighbour and I went up the trail today and cleared
down some LARGE trees. There is a stream to be crossed, nothing deep or
wide, but the entrance and exit requires some care, small rocks. This trail
continues for 3-4 miles. The trail after the stream will require some
clearing of downed trees.
  
So I would like to arrange another date to go off-roading in New
Hampshire."WINTER ROMP 2"

I'm planning on Sunday Feb 2nd 1997. 

Info: 

Where / Meeting  : Swanzey NH, South West NH  (LON/LAT : N42 50.023  
W72.17.382) 
Leave      : 11am
Duration  :  Approx 4 hours 
Lunch     :  Bring one !!! 
Bring      :  Recovery equipment, chain saws, hand saws, warn clothing. 

RSVP 

MARK
 
1988 RANGE ROVER - Beluga Black -  Decked out to get muddy
1991 RANGE ROVER - Ardennes Green - Plushmobile

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:38:23 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: SU/Stromberg CD carbs

>Jim Allen saw SU carbs on a D110? In Australia the only 110s that have
>carbies at all are petrol engined.
>easton@gil.com.au

Funny. That D (for Defender) 110 with V8s.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:50:42 -0500
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: Odometer working again

Hi all,

thanks for those who offered advice on my Odometer question.  Its
working again...so in case anyone else stumbles onto the same problem:

It seems that the odometer is driven by a plastic *lever* driven by
another little (plastic again) gear which runs right on the input to the
speedo.  The lever and its gear are both at the two ends of a "shaft". 
The whole thing is kept in place by a flat metal spring which slides
into a groove in the shaft - on the lever side of things.

This little metal spring seems to have worn and jumped off - letting the
shaft & gear slip out the other way.

well - nothing you can't fix on a LR with a piece of wire (a very thin
one in small things like speedos) and pliers.

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" LHD SWB SW Diesel )

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:15:10 -0500
Subject: SU carb

 Ron asks
Someone must know the answer to this.  I note that there have been comments
that the Stromberg CD carb as used on Rangies isn't the greatest of carbs
and that the SU is better.

If that is so, why did LR persist with the CD when they could  have used SUs
which, I think, were owned by Leyland. (at least, I think they were owned by
Morris before BL came along)

 When the RR was launched in 1970 the Stromberg was superior to the SU's
available at that time. The SU had a float chamber on the side of the
carburretor which made the carb performance attitude sensitive. For normal
road work this was not a problem, but for off raod conditions the float
level varies on steep hills or side slopes. This was worse for a V8 because
one side would run rich and one side weak
  With the introduction of the HIF 6 carb circa 1974 the SU had a float
chamber underneath the carb ala Stromberg. These then became popular
conversions from the Rover car range, picipally because they were more
tunable and did not have the rubber diaphragm of the stromberg which is a
constant source of failure problems. When the Stromberg went out of
production ( in the mid Eighties I think ) the SU became standard on non EFI
V8's

 Regards  Bill Leacock Limey in exile
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Akzo Coatings (was: Series One Colors)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 07:32:00 EST

> I have a Sikkens can with a skull-and-crossbones logo and TOXIC in
>five languages - explaining that this is a carcinogen, "toxic by inhalation
>and in contact with skin" etc. The hardener has its own suite of
>announcements of danger. These are very toxic products.

Allan,

Any 2-part paint should be considered toxic.  Ditto for epoxy paints

Ron

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:31:24 -0500
Subject: Ser 3 gearbox

 David Scholes wrote :- 
My Series III is suffering from a worn gearbox. Second gear to be precise.
It jumps out whenever you take you foot off the gas. The problem seems to
have got much worse since I replaced the oil in the gearbox. Will replacing
the oil with a thicker one improve things in the short term. Anyone have
any ides or experiences they can share?

 This is  a common problem with ser 3 gearboxes, they are worse than ser 2
because the teeth which are used to lock it to the first gear  via which
drive is transmitted to the mainshaft are much narrower due to the addition
of the synchro hub.
 The gear is constantly rotating on the bronze bush except when in second
gear, thus when wear occurs the clearance increases and the gear becomes
free to move on the bearing and slides out of engagement, then as it does so
the flanks of the teeth become chamfered, and so on ad infinitum until it
becomes impossible to even hold second gear, even with  the gear lever.
 Cure is relatively expensive, replacement of the second /  third gear
mainshaft bush and replacement of the mainshaft second gear. ( NOTE a lot of
Reconditioned gearboxes do not have the gear replaced, only the bush so this
is only a short term fix ) 
 prior to this in the early stages  you could check  that the detent spring
is not broken , even try stretching it a bit..

 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:40:54 -0500
Subject: hard top

Udi writes

1, Is it possible to fit a hard top from a civillian '88 to to the LW,
without any mods?, I have been quoted
   circa 600 UK pounds by my nearest MOD dealer (Crook bros, Lancasire,
UK)......has me aghast!!-there must be    a cheaper alternative.

 Yes, Rover fitted the same top to both vehicles, when fitted to a
lightweight  the sides pinch in a little at the door and overhang slightly,
say 12 mm ( 1/2" ) per side at the rear corner. Whilst on the subject the
truck cab will fit also but this requires a little modification. drilling
out the spot welds where the curved bottom support  rail is fastened to the
straight bit. This enables the side to be oinched in slightly and the doors
to close.

 Second hand hard tops are plentiful in the UK, around 100 quid should fit
you up, Crooks must be quoting you the new price. If in difficulty try
martin Dransfield at  1924 430006,  ( Dewsbury Nr Wakefield ) don't know his
new business  name because it used to contain the name Land Rover and this
is not permitted any more. ( If you call him tell him I said hello )

 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile 
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 12:47:56 -0800
From: Michael Slade <Slade@imagina.com>
Subject: Re: Stud nuts and view cameras

TeriAnn writes...

>Hassleblad photographers would go in Mercedes, Lexus or Range Rover 4X4s.
>(New, high quality, dependable, flashy) This is where exposing 5 rools of
>120 film (60 images) is considered a very productive day.

So, since you have a 2 1/4, does that mean you're thinking of making some
kind of announcement?  Is there a disco in your future?

I'm just wondering where I fit in.  I've got a 35mm and have shot upwards
of 30 rolls in a day, I've got a 2 1/2, a 4x5, and an 8x10.  Hmm, guess
I'll have to get that Range Rover, and that Disco soon so I can use the
appropriate vehicle with the matching format.

Just thinking out loud.....

Michael

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:55:40 -0500
Subject: Gearbox

Adrian writes
Sorry to bring bad tidings but I know this problem - I have two series
gearboxes, one crashing in 3rd from 4th, and the other in 2nd from 3rd,
accompanied by the hopping out of 2nd problem. My LR mechanic has
diagnosed "worn synchromesh gear" on both -

 This is not quite correct, see my earlier posting.
 Second and third gears are fitted to a bronze bush which is then fixed to
the mainshaft. The gears rotate on the bush constantly, except when in the
apprprite gear when the gear is locked to the mainshaft, in the case of
third gear by the synchro hub fixing it to the mainshaft or in second by the
mainshaft first gear which has a bore in the side which has  internal teeth,
these slide over teeth on the side of the second gear thus locking the
second gear to the mainshaft.
 In both gears as the bush wears the clearance increases and the gears are
able to move, thus the gear can come out of mesh, this is made worse by the
fact that the teeth become chamfered  and the straight part through which
drive is transmitted becomes smaller and smaller, thus requiring less and
less movement to disengage, then the more it jumps out the more it wears and
the more it wears the more it jumps out and so on ad infinitum.
 Replacing the bush only will usually fix the third gear, second gear  can
be given a new lease of life if caaght early on a ser 2, but ser 3 have a
narrower set of teeth to start out with so usually a new gear is called for.
 Synchro hubs are quite long lasting and rarely need replacing if the box
irs oprated with oil and not subject to too much inadvertant  disengaement,
or failure of the input shaft /mainshaft needle roller bearing.
 ( its a quiet Sunday afternoon and I am feeling in an educational mood today ) 

  Regards Bill Leacock
 
Bill Leacock	Limey in exile
89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 15:07:24 -0700
From: Rover2a <rover2a@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: Worn Gearbox Solutions

David R Scholes wrote:
> My Series III is suffering from a worn gearbox. Second gear to be precise.

Dave:    
This is to let you know that I have the same problem about every 2 to 3
years and I have been able to fix it without pulling the trans.  This is
done by purchasing new shifting forks for second and third gears, remove
the top of the trans slide the old forks out and put the new forks in ,
it may be a little more work that but I have done it 4 times and the
trans did not get pulled to fix anything,  but  if you find that it dose
not work you have new forks for the rebuild. 
Good luck with it

Gar
rover2a@xmission.com
67 IIA 88 still primer gray
73 III 88 waiting for the gods to give it a new life.

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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 00:40:52 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Gearbox

Thanks Bill Leacock for putting me right - does that mean that I only
need to replace a few bushes and gears, and not the whole rebuild job?
And what about this detent spring business, where is it, how do you get
to it....? 
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: "Thorsten Edgar Klein" <kleit001@goofy.uni-mainz.de>
Subject: Re: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Leightwheight
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 00:28:06 +0100

----------
> Von: Udhishtran Senathirajah <ingan@globalnet.co.uk>
> Betreff: Hard top, K&N and FWH on a Slll Leightwheight
> Datum: Sonntag, 12. Januar 1997 02:20

> 1, Is it possible to fit a hard top from a civillian '88 to to the LW,
> without any mods

Yes, but it stands over at the sides ca. 1cm, or it is a very thight fit
for the upper and lower tailgates.

> 2, Has any body out there replaced their LW's oil bath air filter with a
K&N
> item-

No, but I think the K&N filter bolts directly onto the carb
 
> 3, I Have got Free Wheeling Hubs(make is ORA), for a S111 (accepts the LW
24

You need civillian front halfshafts to use FWHs

Hope this helps

Thorsten Klein         kleit001@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII Lightweight with civilian HT (50 Pounds) 
and very big roof mountable tent (ask TeriAnn)

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 19:26:12 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Optima Battery

>What is the consensus on the Optima battery....1250 cca and does it fit in
>the battery compartment in my 93 D110 or my 95 D90???
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Just fishing for opinions
>Greg

Greg,
        Several of the members of our club have two Optima batteries hooked
up in tandem under the drivers seat of their D90's.  I don't know the model
number or cca rating of the batteries, but could find out if you want.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 19:38:53 -0600
From: Don Scott Wallace <swallace@flash.net>
Subject: Want to Buy But Need Information on 1990 to 1993 Range Rover County, but I just can't get no satifaction

third Request

I need more input!?!?!?!?!?!?

Thanks for your time.

I was told this was the forum to ask my questions.

Please send you responses directly to me "swallace@flash.net"

my first questions follow:

I am considering the purchase of a 1991 to 1993 Range Rover County but,
I have yet to find any substantial information on the auto.  As this
will be my daily driver, I need to know if there are any nagging
problems (electrical or mech.) with the vehicle. 

In other words "what=92s the dirt?"

I've heard that the Lucus electrical system was put into the auto up to
some year (which yr. I'm not sure) and could be a problem.  (true/false
& which yr.)

I also need to know what the vehicle and engine's life expectancy is.

What type of work I can do myself (alternator, water pump) or is it best
left to professionals.

Can some or many of the auto=92s parts be switched out with American part
from a local parts house?

Lastly, I thought there may be a conversion kit which would allow the
switching of the engine and electrical to american (yes/no and who can I
contact)

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

:-)

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From: Gregspitz@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:41:20 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Palm Tree Mechanic - brake bleeding

On Fri, 10 Jan 97, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> wrote:

>Id try teflon thread sealing tape like that used for compressed air/gas lines. 
>I used it on all my brake line in the interest of being able to take them 
>apart.

Great idea for future removal. Wish I'd done that on the Niva when I first 
bought it. One of the bleed plugs is now completely rounded, but at least it 
didn't break off, as I thought it would. For bleeding, I guess new teflon on the 
plug, not yet compressed by fully tightening, would be the way to go. 
Allan.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:52:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Tailgate chain music & misc ramblings

      Been following the thread on tailgate chain noise and 
curiosity got the best of me. Peered into Gromit, my newly acquired 
64 Ser IIa project/donor/hadtohaveit/realmenhaveatleastthree,dear
vehicle and there they were - original tailgate chain music mutes, in
glorious grey elephant hide. I'd imagine they could be made from 
otherwise unuseable seat material, sewn up by someone with a British
Leyland sewing machine. (BL motto: If you think these vehicles had
problems before, wait til We get done with them.)

      In reference to the thread on stuck clutches, I've tried a lot of ways to 
fix this problem and the best way I've found is to a) try all the things that 
were mentioned, b) walk around said vehicle, muttering about how glad 
I am that I'm not bleeding the brakes on a 109, c) yell at nearest dog, child
or spouse (this should be your own spouse, somehow I doesn"t work 
right using someone else's) d)climb in vehicle, depress clutch pedal (just 
in case), start engine in first gear (reverse if you're in the garage!) and
drive 
away in low gear, clutch still depressed, jabbing the throttle every few 
seconds. The combination of heat, vibration, torque and lack of clamping
pressure Will unstick the bugger. And if you are lucky, that bad u-joint/weak
axleshaft/worn throttle spring will let you know of it's presence while you
are still within walking distance of home. My method sure beats having
a serious failure while mired up to the carburettor in mud, 350 miles from 
home with only a J**P to pull you out!

      Which leads to the thread on carburettors -  If the worth of a carb is
directly 
proportional to the number of parts then a Solex is the best carb on the planet.

         Ruthrfrd@borg.com
       " Humvee, the widest 4 x 4 by far"                    

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From: "Dani K.A. Mansjoer" <dani-net@indo.net.id>
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:03:22 +0700

UNSUBSCRIBE Land-Rover-Owner dani-net@indo.net.id

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 22:02:15 -0800
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Rangie heads  finally off

Well today I finally finished the removal process, and got the actual heads
removed. I've never taken apart a v-8 before. Kinda interesting. So far the
cam look like it's ok and also the lifters. I like the way that you can see
the cam lobes from the middle pof the Vee. I thought that you had to remove
the cam to be able to look at it. Much nicer than the old four banger
engines.
I Thought that the heads and inside the Vee looked pretty grungy. The
push-rods had grunge on them as well. I figure that before I put evrything
back together I need to try to clean out the bottom end. Any Ideas. I was
thinking of taking off the pan and using engine cleaner and/or carb cleaner
and flushing the residue into a big tub under the engine. Does anyone have
a better idea to do this? I don't want to have a chunk of stuff get clogged
in the oil system.
        I couldn't see any sign of a blown head gasket, and now am worrying
about a crack in one of the heads. Tomorrow I will start looking for a good
machine shop to look the heads over, and when I get home from work I will
start taking the valves out. Hopefully I can get the  88" crank started in
a couple of days, so I can get the heads to the machine shop. I can't
figure a way to carry them on the Motorcycle ;^)
later
 Paul

Paul Archibald
Paarch@ix.netcom.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....slowly, but surely
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)
Fly yellow '92 Ducati 750SS

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Shade Tree Mechanic - brake bleeding
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 08:06:06 +0100 (MET)

| >>>Brake fluid is nasty stuff, but teflon is probably resistant to it?
|      As far as I know, teflon is inert.
yes! teflon is inert to most chemicals. at least to everything used
in a car.

cu.
franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:21:29 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Colours

Kevin Girling wrote:
> Can anyone help us?  We need to find out the pantone clours for the current
> LR logo.  If anyone has any information on the subject it would be much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> appreciated.
> Many thanks.

We matched a brochure with our pantone colour formula guide and the
green matches Pantone 343C

Rgds

Stan

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Tailgate chain music & misc ramblings
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 16:07:00 EST

Hank Rutherford wrote on Monday, 13 January 1997 1:52PM

> Peered into Gromit, my newly acquired
>64 Ser IIa project/donor/hadtohaveit/realmenhaveatleastthree,dear
>vehicle

I you get another vehicle to go with it, will you call it "Wallace"

Sorry if this doesn't make sense to some of you but afficianados of
the animated movies will know what I mean.

Regards,

Ron

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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 23:55:38 -0800
From: Norman Neiderer <neiderer@mars.ark.com>
Subject: Front Springs

Peter Rosvall Wrote:

>I'm interested in purchasing front springs for my late IIa 109. I 
>live in Atlantic Canada and really don't have great access to a "Land 
-Rover Specialist" to purchase a set from without paying through the 
>nose for shipping. The local spring company can manufactuer a set to 
>the same specs as the factory manual provides except the the 
-thickness of the spring leaf itself is impossible to get, at least by 
>them. The comprise was to use 8 1/4" leaves to a total of 2" thick 
>instead of the 11 leaves to a total of 2" thick. Is this good idea?

Hi Peter ,
I have a 1969, 6cyl NADA Doormobile and in March 1993 I bought some
genuine parts new front springs from Duckworth in the UK. I know it's a
few years ago but to give you an idea, I paid UK Pounds 44.92 for one
and 39.20 for the other. I don't know what shipping costs are as before
I retired, I was a Purser for an airline and went to England on a
regular basis.
There are a lot of suppliers who advertise in LROI that you might want
to check but if you want to give Duckworth a call here is their phone
number:
--Tel: 0673 842101
--Fax: 0673 844410
--Parts Direct: 0673 844722

Regards,
Norm
-- 
Norman Neiderer
1595 Comox Avenue
Comox B.C., V9M 2M6, Canada
Tel/Fax: (604)339-2130

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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:01:07 +0700
From: Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au>
Subject: RE: Tailgate chain music & misc ramblings

>> Peered into Gromit, my newly acquired
>>64 Ser IIa project/donor/hadtohaveit/realmenhaveatleastthree,dear
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Sorry if this doesn't make sense to some of you but afficianados of
>the animated movies will know what I mean.

Wallace and Gromit are very popular down here. In fact I viewed 'A Grand Day
Out'
and 'Wrong Trousers' just last night.

*********************************************************************

Tony Yates                              email: a.yates@bom.gov.au
Senior Forecaster                       Ph:    (672) 10632
Davis Meteorological Office             Fax:   (672) 10658
Australian Antarctic Territory

"Having failed to demolish us by dogged persistence, the gale tried
new tactics on the evening of May 24th, in the form of a series of
Herculean gusts."   -  Sir Douglas Mawson (1915)

*Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast* - Ace Rimmer

**********************************************************************

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: SU carb
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 10:04:52 +-100

wleacock@pipeline.com[SMTP:wleacock@pipeline.com] wrote:
<cut>
  With the introduction of the HIF 6 carb circa 1974 the SU had a float
chamber underneath the carb ala Stromberg. These then became popular
conversions from the Rover car range, picipally because they were more
tunable and did not have the rubber diaphragm of the stromberg which is a
constant source of failure problems. 

I too had a lot of problems with diaphragm that disintegrated. Then I consulted 
the local SOLEX company, and they told me that I NEVER should fill the 
carburettor with engine oil, as described in the LR manual. They have a 
special oil for this. It is also used on Volvo's B18 and B20 engine.
The oil must be WITHOUT acid, so if You can not get the correct from 
Solex or Volvo, You should use the red Dextron II for powersteering.
My last set of diaphragms that never saw engineoil lasted two and a half 
year and 70000 Km.

Happy Rovering

Bent
_____________________________________

Bent Boehlers

Herlev, Denmark

e-mail: bb@olivetti.dk
URL: http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542

110" STW 12 seats, V8, 1983
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From: "Delve, Trefor" <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: Advice from anyone in Boston
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 08:04:00 GMT

All,

I sent this message on Friday but neglected to leave my email address.

I will shortly be moving to Boston (leaving the LR in the UK I'm afraid).   
 I could do with a few bits of advice.

If there are any members on the 'net who live in Boston, could they   
contact me off line.

Many thanks,

Trefor
tdelve@nectech.co.uk

(SIII, SWB, 3.0L V6)

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From: Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 01:11:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Tailgate chain music & misc ramblings

On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 15:01:07 +0700, Tony Yates <a.yates@bom.gov.au> wrote:
> Wallace and Gromit are very popular down here. In fact I viewed 'A Grand Day
> Out'
> and 'Wrong Trousers' just last night.

"A Close Shave" is *much* better.   Cleaner animation, better plot, more  
cheese, lots of porridge.

Btw: Any Blockbuster's (video rental chain) in the U.S. will have them..

--
Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>                      kuhtz@ix.netcom.com
Paranet, Inc.
http://www.paranet.com/         BOYCOTT INTERNET SPAM http://www.vix.com/spam 

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From: "Alan Logue" <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: Stud nuts and view cameras
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 07:45:53 +1030

Your equations sound good, but where do we put APS into it all?

Perhaps they will be the CB40 owners!!! :>)
Alan
Logue and Associates
PO Box 689
Morphett Vale 
South Australia
Phone Aust (61) 08-83844443

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> From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@scruznet.com>
> At  8:08 AM 1/12/97 -0500, eheite@dmv.com wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> If I were to associate field photographers with 4X4s, I would put large
> format photographers with series and Defender Land Rovers.  Also maybe
with
> jeeps that originally came with 4 cylinder engines. (Dependable yet
quirky,
> slow, deliberate and more zen like, buts you in closer contact with
nature
> and your inner feelings)  This is where exposing 12 sheets of film can be
> considered a good satisfying day.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Discoverys.  (New, shiny, fast, high technology, easy to use, dependable)
> This is where you go out and shoot 5 rolls of 36 exposure film (180
images)
> and rush home to see what you have.
> TeriAnn
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> TeriAnn
> twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Cooper Tyres (was Tyres)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 97 22:03:00 EST

Eric Zipkin wrote:
>I've been running as set of Cooper tires on my 109" for the last
> 20k miles.  In about another 5k miles I'll have to go for a new set
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> price differential is enough to make up
>for the lesser tread life than something like a Michelin.

Eric,

In Australia, Cooper tyres are advertised with a 80,000km guarantee.

Regards
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
Fax +61 2 9339-6929
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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Subject: Re: AOL postings.
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 06:35:39 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi folks,

	For some reason the list digester seems to have developed an 
appetite for messages from *@aol.com, starting sometime on the 9th of
January. I'll investigate as to why it is acting up, time permitting.

	However, I've not made any changes in the digesting software
since July of last year, so it isn't due to anything I've done recently.

    Cheers,
          Bill                 httP://www.Senie.com/billc/
                   caloccia@OpenMaRket.com
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