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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: zeus timing gears
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:58:07 +0100 (MET)

Hello everybody,
in the past I heard from time to time about the timing gear conversion 
that replace the the toothed belt on the 2.5l engines. I recently contacted
Zeus' German distributor and they quoted me about 2100 US$ for the unit.
But they could not make any detailed statements about the improvements that
the unit gives.
Is there anybody out there who has some knowledge about these things?
Any input would be appreciated before I spend the value of about 35
timing belts.

Thanks,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:24:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 110 tdi Camper

On  8 Jan 97 at 22:12, DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:

 On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 Jim Karantinos wrote "In an obscure 4x4 magazine there
 was an article about...a man who builds 110 tdi campers here in the US for
 domestic use."
 
 Jim:
 
 The magazine was the January 1997 issue of Off-Road.  The builder of the 110
 TDI campers is Doug Richardson at 2100 McReynolds Rd, Malibu CA 90265 (his
 address was at the end of the article).  For many years Doug has used long
 chassis Land Rover Diesels to build expedition cars.  Fifteen or twenty
 years ago he offered some of his designs for sale.
 
 Doug's expedition cars appear to be similar in concept to the Dormobile
 camper conversions built many years ago by Martin Walter on Land Rover 109
 station wagons.  While it appears to accommodate only two travelers to the
 Dormobile's four, Doug's design incorporates several major improvements.
 
 It is always fascinating to see the different modifications done to
 personalize Land Rovers and adapt them to specific purposes.
 
 Paul Donohue
 Denver CO USA
 1965 LR Dormobile
End excerpt~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

All things come to those who wait!  I asked here last year about Doug 
Richardson, since I have a 1975 issue of PETERSEN'S COMPLETE BOOK OF FOUR 
WHEEL DRIVE that has an article on his SIII diesel regular called: The 
Ultimate Land Rover.

The truck is very impressive and incorporates the Sleeper Top described 
above, a slide in camper interior which can be installed or removed in a 
few minutes, the Demolition Bumper, which holds 5 gal of oil and tow 
equipment, door vents with brush guards, 900-16 tires, an air compressor, 
etc.....

According to the article Mr. Richardson had started developing 
modifications for his LR's in 1962, and used them for expeditions to places 
like Russia, Africa, the Spanish Sahara,  and Central America.  This was in 
1975, and it would be interesting if someone closer to Malibu would update 
us on what he has been doing for the last 20 years.  Perhaps he could be 
persuaded to join us.

I'll see if I can find the issue of Off Road, but it's nice to see here 
that he is still at it.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:40:51 -500
Subject: Tailgate Chain Music?

I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark
   

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From: "Richard Tasker" <D83888@dvpnfs01.eskom.co.za>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:21:53 GMT+200
Subject: Best winch for Ser 3?

Being new in the Land Rover circles I was wanting to get some expert 
advise. What is the best winch to get for a Series 3 Landy?

I would appreciate any advice.

Thanks
Richard Tasker

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:34:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On  9 Jan 97 at 7:40, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
> a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
> damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
> banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

Mine have a lightweight plastic , (vinyl?), sleeve over them, and I can 
see it would be easily discarded or lost but as easily replaced by anything 
similar.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:41:21 -0500
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: emergency light fax

I'd love to see any info. on emergency lighting for series LR's....If it
makes sense I could probably get a copy from Alan Richer if you send him a
copy (The wire to his place is alot shorter)..........Rob M Concord, MA USA
(my fax number  is 617-495-0593)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:30:43 -0400
Subject: RE: Balloon by Rover

Re: Failure of the Branson global balloon attempt:

As it was partially sponsored by Land-Rover, one has to wonder if Lucas
electrics were responsible for the floatation and buoyancy problems, eh?

               8*) -ajr

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 08:44:35 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

     
I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with 
a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark
     
     Ummm,, if you own the ORver then you are already crazy.
     Besides, silly man, if you were able to hear it over everything else, 
     it'd probably be quite soothing. Really. Or you could just be a wuss 
     and slip some cloth or plastic sleeving over it. I believe that's how 
     they were originally.
     
     Dave

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From: "Thorsten Edgar Klein" <kleit001@goofy.uni-mainz.de>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:58:12 +0100

Mark Gehlhausen asks:

> I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
> a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
> damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
> banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

I use plastic garden hose ( from the pump of my fathers garden "sea").
Absolute no banging since over two years.

Hope this helps, Thorsten

Thorsten Klein         kleit001@goofy.zdv.uni-mainz.de
Mainz, Germany
LR SIII Lightweight

   

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:01:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

Re: Sleeving:

This is a hint from SPencer Norcross:

A wonderful material for covering these chains is a defunct bicycle
 innertube. Cut to length and slipped over the chins before hooking
onto the curly bit, they keep it from rattling and scratching the paint.

Just make sure you cut a small notch in the innertube at the lowest
 point of the loop, else they fill with water and can give you a bath
when you least expect it.

                    ajr

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Date: 09 Jan 97 09:06:55 EST
From: "Ed O'Neil" <73623.1044@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: James Bay

I have seen a thread that mentioned a drive out to James Bay and I would be
truly interested on the number of poeple that are also interested. As a LR owner
and a professional photographer I think this would be a great adventure in the
Canadian north and allow for some PR for a few companies to sponsor the trek.

Ed O'Neil
LR 110

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:06:00 -500
Subject: Tailgate and Tire Chains

Thanks for the replies to the tailgate chain question.  Garden hose 
slipped over, really!  Sort of reminds me of my Grandpa's old Chevy
pickup,. that was his remedy. 

What I really liked about the LR was the ingenious spiral loop, a 
simple, actually elegant solution to removing the chain support.

Now for chains of a different color, tire chains.
Has anyone had experience with the wire cable type of tire chain?
I saw a set, made in OR, looked interesting, more durable than 
plastics.  Comments?  Mark  

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:14:21 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: zeus timing gears

in the past I heard from time to time about the timing gear conversion
that replace the the toothed belt on the 2.5l engines. I recently contacted
Zeus' German distributor and they quoted me about 2100 US$ for the unit.But
they could not make any detailed statements about the improvements that
the unit gives.

2100 USD sounds a lot,I got the impression they were much less than
that.

Try a phone call 44 01392 438833
or their website   http://www.zynet.co.uk/adnet/zeus

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:20:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Winter tips + safety

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> Fit 82 Deg C Thermostat.
> An engine below its ideal running temperature of 75-80 deg C is ineffective, 

	Only an 82?  Here we fit a ninty-something.  I think it was a 92 or
	94 that I put in the Mini and use in the 109.  Run at 75-80?  My
	thermostat must be off (been tested though).  The previous lump
	would run below that normally in warm weather.  (would read about 20
	in January once, er, warmed up)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:28:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: What is an Ibex?

> :On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 Granville Pool wrote about the Ibex.
> :
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> -Michael Carradine
>  VP, LROA

Hmmmmmm Could be a long wait.

Cheers
Russ W.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:32:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Scientific mystery (no true LR content)

Re: Guinness bubbles:

This is due to the way Guinness is dispensed
and specifically the tap and gas mixture.

A guinness tap is a special piece of equipment
unlike standard bar taps. Also, the frothy nectar
 is dispensed with a CO2/Nitrogen mix at a very
 high pressure so that the bulbble size is extremely
 small, leading to the lovely dense Guinness head
 and the infamous wave effect as seen in a properly
pulled pint.

                    aj"Brewer..."r

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 07:31:47 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Neat Injector cleaner (was: blue smoke)

Allan, et al: Marvel Mystery Oil can be run neat in a diesel. My instructor 
recommended it for filling the engine fuel system for long-term storage. I 
can't say if it would clean injectors better than when diluted. (but then, 
if he was such a good teacher, why does my diesel still smoke?)

John O

>Is there any US conditioner/injector cleaner that can be used neat? In the UK 
>(as I was told by Ian) smoke associated with injector muck can often be 
reduced 
>significantly by passing a filter-full of Forte DFC through. We can't get  

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:20:08 -500
Subject: Shade Tree Mechanic - brake bleeding

To Clayton Kirkwood:

Try this technique, if you can't find an EZBleed. You can make one 
yourself.
Get a new or better yet, old bicycle tire inner tube.  Cut it 180 
degrees from the stem (opposite to the stem).  Tie one of the loose 
ends in a tight knot and secure with a plastic wire tie so it won't 
leak air.  
Now, fill the master cylinder resevoir with clean fluid, stretch the 
other loose end over the m/c (cap off) and secure with a suitable 
clamp so it won't leak air.  Pump up the tube gently with a hand 
pump.  This pressurizes the brake fluid in the m/c and brake lines.  
Now go to the farthest wheel cylinder and open the bleeder screw.  
Fluid should flow, just be careful not to drain the m/c of fluid or 
you will put air in the system.  It helps to have a helper when doing 
this.  
Refill the m/c and repeat for each wheel cylinder until all air is 
removed from the system.  Its a little tedious to keep refilling the 
m/c and pumping up the tube, but it does the trick nicely.  I would 
make sure that all the old fluid was expelled from all line.  Color 
will tell you when.
Alternatively, if you have a vacuum pump (like a MityVac) available, 
you coulkd use it instead of the bicycle pump by using a fill tube 
from one of those fix-a-flat cans.  Cut off the fill tube, connect 
the schrader valve fitting to the inner tube and the vac pump to the 
cut end of the fill tube.  Now you can pressurize / pump up the inner 
tube with the vac pump (set the vac pump to pressurize position.)  
You also can suck the brake fluid thru each line by connecting the 
vac pump to each bleed screw(with a 'tee' fitting and bottle, follow 
your pumps directions for transferring fluids), pump up some vacuum 
and slowly open the bleed screw.  You will suck fluid from the lines 
and m/c.  
In all methods just be sure that the m/c doesn't go dry; keep it 
topped up with fresh fluid.
(Thanks to Larry Smith for teaching me this method.)
Good luck.
L8r.
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:43:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
> a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
> banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark
I make my girlfriend sit in the back of my Rover with one chain in each
hand.  

Russ W.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:37:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Scientific mystery (no true LR content)

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Steve Paustian wrote:

> Hello the list,
>         Today's paper had an intresting factoid that science apparently
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Steve Paustian
> Flatland Rover Society

Most beer is driven(pushed to the tap) with Co2...nice and light the
bubbles go to the top.  Guinness is nice thick brew which has to be pushed
with a mixed gas or else it turns to foam and pudding.  This mixed gas
No2 and ?? mixed is why your Guinness bubbles sink to the bottom of your
glass.  Now go and pour a pint and experiment with this a few times...

Cheers
Russ W.

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From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:53:30 +0000
Subject:       Re: SHOCKING UPGRADES

For upgrade shocks on your 1958 88, I assume you have a SII ?
I will definetely recomend bilstein gas shocks .  For the rear use 
the model for a 1984 to 90 toyota 4runner.  For the front it is a 
1975-84 toyota FJ40 land cruiser.  Better yet check the bilstein
dealers catalog.  This shock gives excellent rebound control . I
use to use Rancho RS5000 before, on a speed bump the bilstein
has ligthning fast response and smooth.  The Rancho leaves me 
hopping all over the place several times.  I bought the Bilstein's
from a Toyota dealer in Los Angeles for $50 each.  On my 1981
SIII 88 with 7.50 x 16 no problems.  On the 1985 SIII 88 with
235/85/16 yokohama all terrains, it takes forever to do a U-turn.

Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 SW
1981 SIII 88 SW

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:52:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: What is an Ibex?

>  Paul,
>  You're just going to have to wait for the next Aluminum Workhorse
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> -Michael Carradine
>  VP, LROA

This could be a very, very long wait.

Russ W.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Scientific mystery (no true LR content)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 15:00:24 GMT

> > Hello the list,
> >         Today's paper had an intresting factoid that science apparently
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> No2 and ?? mixed is why your Guinness bubbles sink to the bottom of your
> glass.  Now go and pour a pint and experiment with this a few times...

And when have you seen gas so dense, that its heavier than water - and water
which is alledgedly thickened (and dense)?
With the current knowledge of physical chemistry and known elements, this
is impossible.
Having metastable bubbles (eg. those "clinging" to the side of a glass)
is a different matter, but they never sink, unless caught in a current, do
they?

The difference in density between gaseous NO2 (nitrous oxide, like car
fumes,like? shurely not) and CO2 is approx.  4%...  [me bored? its actually
a simple calculation, honest]

Sorry, no Land Rover content,  but trying to keep a bit of sanity around
here. And *why* is Guinness linked to Land Rovers, Solihull is not
*that* close to the Emerald Isle!

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:16:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
> a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no 
> damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
> banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

	Bicycle inner tube over the chain.  They did come with a grey 
	naugahide cover originally.

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From: Sanna@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:57:56 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Richard Tasker wrote:
> Being new in the Land Rover circles I was wanting to get some expert
> advise. What is the best winch to get for a Series 3 Landy?

I would say that the Koenig model LR-591 or LR-592.  No need to mess 
with the electrics.  150 feet of cable.  8000 lb pulling capacity. 
Problems are no spare parts, 208 lbs., no remote control, availability.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:17:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Richard Tasker wrote:

> Being new in the Land Rover circles I was wanting to get some expert 
> advise. What is the best winch to get for a Series 3 Landy?

	And round 53 of the Holy Wars began again...

	IMHO - Not electric.  Hydraulic of mechanical.

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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 08:26:47 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

>damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from 
>banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

Bicycle innertube seems to be traditional

JohnO

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:37:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Herman L. Stude wrote:

> I would say that the Koenig model LR-591 or LR-592.  No need to mess 
> with the electrics.  150 feet of cable.  8000 lb pulling capacity. 
> Problems are no spare parts, 208 lbs., no remote control, availability.

	L592 had the cab controls.

	http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.winches.koenig.html

	Parts can be a problem, but they are very robust.  yet to see one
	break something (beside the cable)

	Availaibility does suck...

	200+ pounds?  Once on the vehicles, who cares.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:42:31 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Dixon Kenner wrote:

>         L592 had the cab controls.
>         http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.winches.koenig.html
> I'd be REALLY interested in how one can set up cab controls for a SIII, 

were they not originally set up for the grill of SII, SIIA?

Standing in front of my SIII 88 operating the levers makes me nervous.

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 16:00:45 +0100
Subject:       Poland Ukraine

Are there any memmbers living in Poland or the Ukraine on the list??

I am looking for contacts in this region.

Regards,

Huub

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:52:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

> Dixon Kenner wrote:
> >         L592 had the cab controls.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> were they not originally set up for the grill of SII, SIIA?
> Standing in front of my SIII 88 operating the levers makes me nervous.
The PTO Koenig *does* have a remote control, your vehicles clutch.
Put tranny in neutral, engage winch clutch, put tranny in gear and 
let out L/R clutch. disengage L/R clutch when you  want to stop it.

If it's a Hydraulic Koenig, you can put the controls where ever you 
want, including a handheld control.

As for what's the best winch for a L/R, I'd say a hydraulic, since it 
will leak oil and so appear to me an official L/R item..

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 10:53:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Herman L. Stude wrote:

> I'd be REALLY interested in how one can set up cab controls for a SIII, 
> were they not originally set up for the grill of SII, SIIA?

	If you look at the parts blow up of the winch (page four) you will
	notice the two levers are slightly different.  Add the cables that
	go through the breakfast, the engine bay, and bulkhead (illustrated
	on page two) you can easily adapt something that operates like shown
	on page three of the L591/592 winch.  

	The winch was originally made for the Series II/IIA, but since the
	III is almost identical, it owuld fit quite well.  Besides, drilling
	through the plastic III dash will be easier than the steel IIA dash...
	:-)

	Print off the manual.  It answers many questions.  That's what 
	the web pages are there for.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 17:55:26 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
> a curled galvanized bracket on each end.  The chains I saw had no
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from
> banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

You don't! ....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:02:58 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

>I make my girlfriend sit in the back of my Rover with one chain in each
>hand.
>Russ W.

Sounds like a reasonable solution to me.  One caveat though, Russ, keep it
up and you'll end up just like me--inexplicably single.

"What do you mean you'll take a taxi home?  What's the matter with my
Rover? Does this mean you don't want to see me again?"

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: Wanted Parts for '65 2a
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:10:53 -0500 ()

	I recently acquired a 1965 IIA Rover from Mike 
McCaig.  I have already stripped it down to the chassis and 
ordered a crate of necessary parts from England; however, 
there are some body parts that I still need.  I know I can 
order them as well, but I would like to avoid having to pay 
for these items new if I can find some used ones elsewhere. 
I need a complete front right wing, as I have nothing at 
the moment.  The left wing I have is in rough shape.  I 
would like to replace it too if possible.  I also need the 
sides for a top.  If anyone within a reasonable drive of 
Richmond, Virginia has these parts, a response or referral 
would be appreciated.  Thank you for your time.

					John

-- 
Adamson, John G
adamsojg@jmu.edu

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:13:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Russell U Wilson wrote:

> I make my girlfriend sit in the back of my Rover with one chain in each
> hand.  

	Bondage in an 88" eh...  Always figured they were a bit short for 
	that kind of thing.  

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From: "Adamson, John G" <adamsojg@jmu.edu>
Subject: ? Expanding fuel tanks on a 2A
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:19:50 -0500 ()

	I've got one short question.  In addition to 
missing some body parts, I'm missing a fuel tank as well.  
If I have to get one anyway, why not make one that was 
longer.  Is there any reason the front fuel tank outrigger 
could not be moved forward(closer to the bulkhead 
outrigger)? I have not really studied the subject matter, 
but I have not yet seen a reason why the front fuel tank 
outrigger could not be moved.  Has anyone tried this?  I've 
got two fillers on the car, so whatever I do to one side I 
will do to the other.  Comments appreciated!

					John

-- 
Adamson, John G
adamsojg@jmu.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:20:38 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Richard Tasker wrote:
> Being new in the Land Rover circles I was wanting to get some expert
> advise. What is the best winch to get for a Series 3 Landy?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Thanks
> Richard Tasker

Richard,

Winches in the SA context have very little application, except where you
want to launch a boat off of a 'soft' beach, or to retrieve a boat off
same. For overland use they are almost worse than useless - despite what
the good folk at S*f*ri C*ntr* will tell you - since they give a sense
of security which is unjustified (If you have 50Km of sand and only
thorn trees in sight what are you going to use as an anchor point?
You'll find that the novelty of burying your spare wheel wears off very
fast!).

The best remedy (far better than a winch IMHO) is always to select the
correct gear *before* attempting something tricky. If you start to dig
in and you can feel you are about to stall, ease the clutch in and, when
you have come to a complete halt, select low reverse and gently move
backwards in your own tracks until you are on firmer ground. Then select
low 2nd and try a better approach.

Although people may advise you to let your tyres down for extra
floatation, my advice is to view this as a last resort since your
resistance to punctures is drastically reduced when your tyres are soft
- and they're a pain to have to change when you're dug in diff deep. A
good rule of thumb is to only use deflation to get you out of a tight
spot when you can *easily* reinflate your tyres immediately thereafter.

If you insist on mechanical aids: a good sturdy spade and a Hi Lift jack
will get you out of anything a winch will and then some.

The best, of course, is a second vehicle. I have, on several occassions
towed out other Landys using *their winch cables* because of silly
things like: the remote for the winch was back in camp, or after about a
kilometre of winching the auxiliary battery was drained and there was
still a couple of k's of thick and thirsty before camp.

No I don't hate winches just because I can't afford one. OK, so I
couldn't at first, and I've grown out of the need for one now that I
can.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 08:28:50 -0800
From: Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com>
Subject: Re: 59 88 work todate

At 05:03 PM 1/8/97 -0800, Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
>Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>> snip
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>> seems odd that I should have trouble rotating each wheel.
>> Agreed.  Have you tried backing the brakes all the way off the drum just
to check.
>That would let you know if its the brakes dragging or something else (what??)
>cheers,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>cheers,
>Jeremy

Yes, they are all backed off right now and still have some dragging. I
assume that this is just be cause they are new components and have some
rough edges which will quickly wear.

Thanks

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:34:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

Paul Oxley wrote:
> Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
> > I noticed that the tailgate on the IIA is suspended by two chains with
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> > damping material attached.  How do you keep the chain loop from
> > banging around and driving one crazy.  Mark

Help, my message got chopped by the Major ... or maybe I'm just going
crazy from the clanking of those damn chains!

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

PS: Who the heck can hear those chains over the engine howl and the
creaking of the chassis and the wind whistling through the gaps in the
body sections?

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 11:28:28 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Tailgate Chain Music?

     
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Russell U Wilson wrote:
     
> I make my girlfriend sit in the back of my Rover with one chain in each 
> hand.  >
 >Bondage in an 88" eh...  Always figured they were a bit short for 
 >that kind of thing.  
     
     Depends on the size of your master/slave cylinder...
     

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:28:53 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Tom Rowe wrote:
> The PTO Koenig *does* have a remote control, your vehicles clutch.
> Put tranny in neutral, engage winch clutch, put tranny in gear and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> let out L/R clutch. disengage L/R clutch when you  want to stop it.
> Models LR-591/592 get theirpower from a driveshaft connected to the 
crankshaft pulley

> If it's a Hydraulic Koenig, you can put the controls where ever you
> want, including a handheld control.
> indeed

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:48:20 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Herman L. Stude wrote:
> Tom Rowe wrote:
> > The PTO Koenig *does* have a remote control, your vehicles clutch.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> > want, including a handheld control.
> > indeed

Guys,

I speak under correction, but I don't think anyone in SA has ever heard
of Koenig winches!

We're kinda stuck with the Warns, Ramseys, Jumbos, and SuperWinches.

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:51:43 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Paul Oxley wrote:

> Guys,
> I speak under correction, but I don't think anyone in SA has ever heard
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Paul Oxley
> http://www.adventures.co.za

No Worries Paul;

I'm just fortunate enough to live in the city where they were made 
albeit before I was born!

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From: ASFCO@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:11:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Paul Oxley wrote:

> I speak under correction, but I don't think anyone in SA has ever heard
> of Koenig winches!

	If they have been reading this list for a while they would 
	have... :-)

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 12:18:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: ? Expanding fuel tanks on a 2A

     
... have not yet seen a reason why the front fuel tank 
outrigger could not be moved.  Has anyone tried this?  I've 
got two fillers on the car, so whatever I do to one side I 
will do to the other.  Comments appreciated!
     
     Well, if you've got two tfillers, thean you may as well go with a dual 
     tank set up and use stock tanks. I don't see how it would be worth the 
     expense of fabricating longer tanks, since with dual tnaks you should 
     have a range of about 350 miles, which is about the same as a small 
     modern car. Alot less annoying than filling up every 170 or so...
     
     Cheers
     Dave

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:18:10 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: 59 88 work todate

Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
> snip
> >> Agreed.  Have you tried backing the brakes all the way off the drum just
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> assume that this is just be cause they are new components and have some
> rough edges which will quickly wear.
> That doesn't sound right.  If they're backed off the edges shouldn't touch.
Check that you've got them on the right way around.  It's possible to fit them
on "reversed" which will create the symptoms you describe.

Don't ask me how I know this :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:23:56 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fugly UAZ and ARO,REPOST

People who live in glass houses, er, drive Land Rovers, shouldn't throw 
stones.
The market will determine whether these vehicles live or die.
BTW, why do we have to see this post twice twice?

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 12:23:49 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: 59 88 work todate

     
Yes, they are all backed off right now and still have some dragging. I 
assume that this is just be cause they are new components and have some 
rough edges which will quickly wear.
     
     You must also make sure the drums are on all the way. They often seem 
     to be but actually are not. Take off the wheel, whack the drum with a 
     hammer/block of wood/soft mallet/etc, tighten the screw which will now 
     be loose, turn the drum a bit repeat, tighten screws some more. The 
     drum only has to be slightly crooked to create a problem. I doubt they 
     are on properly unless you used somehting to pound them on. Careful if 
     you are using a regular hammer, you can crack the drums.
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:25:10 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

The best one is the one that gets you out of the seatbox deep mudhole.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:30:27 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: ? Expanding fuel tanks on a 2A

Get a Diesel! Like the energizer bunny....

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:32:05 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Fosters Limo was Re: Non LR - Bud Re: Lookout for Anda! (was: Sexist Male!)

Beckett, Ron wrote:
> snip

> >(You may not be aware but there's a Foster's ad campaign in the US
> >featuring a photo of Y with "Australian for X" and a photo of a Fosters can
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> only?
> I'd like to see that series of ads.

Yes it exists but unfortunately I've only seen it in billboard format .. a little
to large to collect :)

Does anyone know if smaller copies are to be had?

cheers,

Jeremy

BTW it's a pre '65 because the steering wheel is just visible and has the metal spokes.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 12:33:48 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Best winch for any LR or RR

     
The best winch for any LR  and especially Range Rovers would have to be 
without question
The Belleview Alan Richer has on the front of Churchill...

I have to agree that this is one monstrous piece of machinery. I have the WARN 
version of the same winch on the front  of my SIII and it pulls whatever I put 
in front of it with no complaints.
This winch bears much resemblance to the legendary WARN 8274. The difference is 
in the lack of power out ability, and a different type of brake and operating 
controls. I imagine the innards are quite similar.

As an example, last time I saw Al's the hook was missing off the front...seems 
the sloenoid froze shut and the winch kept going...an 8,000 lb winch snapped a 
10,000 lb cable...
Scary, yet somehow comforting too.

DaveB.

     BTW, Id be curious to see how this machine would fit on a RR. 

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:34:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: ? Expanding fuel tanks on a 2A

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adamson, John G wrote:

> 	I've got one short question.  In addition to 
> missing some body parts, I'm missing a fuel tank as well.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Adamson, John G
> adamsojg@jmu.edu
JUst what exactly did you get from Mike Mc Caig??? A frame and a milk
crate full of parts??  You seem to be needed quite a list of parts.  Hope
you didn't pay too much.  On the bright side I know of a complete hardtop
with sliding glass.
for sale in Pittsburgh....as well as some "solid (no windows) sides.

Russ W.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:37:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>  >that kind of thing.  
>      Depends on the size of your master/slave cylinder...
She's a bit on the short side.  But then again she's only 12.

Russ W.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:53:46 -500
Subject: JohnG 109 For U

JohnG,
I know of a reconstituted 109 in Indiana if you are interested.
It has some of the body and fuel tank parts you seek.  Mark

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:12:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

> > let out L/R clutch. disengage L/R clutch when you  want to stop it.
> > Models LR-591/592 get theirpower from a driveshaft connected to the 
> crankshaft pulley

I forgot that some of the Koenig's were in that weird configuration. 
:-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:14:48 +0000
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

> Guys,
> I speak under correction, but I don't think anyone in SA has ever heard
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> of Koenig winches!
> We're kinda stuck with the Warns, Ramseys, Jumbos, and SuperWinches.
Find a place that supplies oil derricks. They can probably get you 
a hydraulic version new. Koenig sells all kinds, like the kind that 
are used on derricks, and ships.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 12:50:26 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: RE: Expanding Fuel Tanks

     John,
     
        I'm sure to be corrected if this is wrong but....
     I think on my 88" the fuel tank is partially enclosed by the seat box. 
     If you expand the tank, it will need to be shaped to fit under the 
     flooring (I think).  let me know how you do as I just ordered 2 from 
     the UK (I need one desperately for mine).  It was substantially 
     cheaper than US sources.  Two tanks and other odd bits with shipping 
     will be 1.5 * a local supplier for the tank.    Good Luck!
     
     Ray Scholl
     88" SIIA
     rscholl@lib.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 13:21:37 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[4]: Tailgate Chain Music?

     
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Bobeck, David R. wrote:
     

>      Depends on the size of your master/slave cylinder...
     
>She's a bit on the short side.  But then again she's only 12.
     

inches??
     

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 13:24:44 -0800
From: Wes Harris <wharris@infowks.com>
Subject: Series Is in Korea

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if Rovers were used by British
Forces in Korea 50-53?

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:34:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Series Is in Korea

> Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if Rovers were used by British
> Forces in Korea 50-53?

Someone many years ago told me they drove a L/R in Korea, or was it 
Vietnam. I forget which. Anyway, they were doing recon or something 
with a British group and that's what they were using.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 97 10:37:29 -0500
Subject: unsubscribe

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From: lheite@eldhorn.is
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:48:18 -0500
Subject: LRW AGAIN!

I am dropping my LRW subscription for three reasons:

1. It is immature

2. It is puerile

3. It is childish

There are a few other characteristics, but I can't remember all of them. At
least the intentionally-controversial December picture of the Central
American bimbos contained a fairly good looking Land Rover.

The February issue also contains nudity, this time without Land Rover
content. The magazine is riddled throughout with in-jokes about the staff,
and even an occasional jab at former staff members. Who gives a flying
damn?

Moreover, the bumper sticker on page 71 was misquoted. Don't they love the
Prince of Darkness over there?

4. It is inaccurate

5. It is condescending

The piece on Iceland rovering were okay, but it was done better a few
months back by the other concern.  And the comments about Icelandic beer
were well off the mark. Beer in Iceland sells for about $15 a sixpack for a
superlative local brew that is worth the trip all by itself.

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| 69 Land Rover    Ned Heite                             |
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|                  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html|
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Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 11:33:26 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: winch cable strengths (was: best winch)

>the sloenoid froze shut and the winch kept going...an 8,000 lb winch snapped a 
>10,000 lb cable...
>Scary, yet somehow comforting too.

A brief comment on winch lines: It seems common for "10,000#" winches to 
have 3/8 inch cables, or even 5/16 inch (Superwinch S9000, for example). 3/8 
inch line has a breaking strength of around 13,000 pounds when new. Curved 
around a 3 inch drum, this is reduced to about 11,800 pounds. Kinked and 
stretched a few times, reduce it even more (a knot or sharp kink permanently 
reduces it 50%). Personally, I have 3/8 inch line on my homemade 4500# 
winch, and follow the Warn/Superwinch/Bucyrus-Erie safety procedures.

2nd comment: put a battery disconnect in the winch circuit. I, too had a 
solenoid stick once. I was just driving down the road, wondering what the 
strange smell was, then notice smoke coming from the front. I had not been 
using the winch recently, it just decided to happen spontaneously.

John O

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From: jjorge@fisica.uminho.pt
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:42:14 +0000
Subject: Re: unsubscribe

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         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 40 lines)]
>X-edited-by: LRO-Lite
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 18:41:20 +0000

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:37:05 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Best winch for Ser 3?

Adams, Bill wrote:
> The best one is the one that gets you out of the seatbox deep mudhole.

Indeed!!!

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 11:13:42 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New Range Rover website

At 09:23 AM 1/9/97 -0800, John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> wrote:
:Folks -- I've been a bit out of circulation over the holidays I'm afraid. 
:Sorry if I've missed any important stuff.
:
:One thing I thought you'd like to know about is my new Range Rover web 
:site at http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/rangerover

 John,

 You have made a truly excellent WWWeb site!  Although your page title
 refers to Range Rovers, the topics and content are important to all
 citizens who enjoy the BackRoads(tm) of North America, particularly
 the United States.  Your rebuttal to arguments in favor of back road
 closings, such as the Desert Protection act and other less notorious
 actions by BLM and other agencies, point out the thinly veiled fallacies
 on which this policy is based.  It soon becomes very obvious that such
 regulation has little merit and was conceived by couch environmentalists
 who view nature from behind the plate glass windows of their living rooms.

 Having spent many years on back road trails your observations echo the
 sentiments of most of us that actually venture into remote regions of
 this land, and find it appalling that we are now being kept away and off
 of the land that is rightfully ours in common.

 Our rights to free access to public land is rapidly vanishing, in effect
 being confiscated.  In response, our actions under RS2477 are imperative
 and should be implemented.  If we do not reclaim access to previously
 open roads, our historical and prescriptive rights will vanish.  In some
 places as soon as with 5 years of non-use.  This issue is very much like
 the ones facing green laners in the UK, or the loss of any open back roads
 in much of Europe.  We must organize, use and map our BackRoads(tm) to
 retain our back road access rights, or we will loose them.  Such activity
 could be channeled through local club activity to benefit us all in the
 years and generations to come.  Otherwise, "Land" Rovers will soon be
 relegated as "City" Rovers.  =:0

 Keep up the good work,

-Michael

 PS- I say BackRoads(tm) because I believe that Tread Lightly! has always
 had a problem in expressing itself and could use another term to better
 describe its policy of staying "on the road" in unpaved areas.  They
 vehemently abhorre the term "off-road", while trying to promote the term
 "off-highway" instead to distinguish unpaved or "dirt" roads.  Their term
 "off-highway" seems difficult to weave into the minds of the public.  I
 prefer the term "back roads" in contrast to "paved roads", emphasizing
 the concept of staying on a "road" instead of being "off" of a road.
 LROA being a corporate member of Tread Lightly! may well induce the
 rethinking of their terminology.

                        _____
 Michael Carradine     /_[_[_\__                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 510-988-0900          \________])              www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 

   

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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 10:47:15 -0900
From: "Deanna D. Sitter" <lani@Alaska.NET>
Subject: 59 wheels

Clayton-

The wheels on your 59, if they are original, should be used with tubes. 
The earlier wheels have no safety ledge to help prevent the tire bead
from being forced inward and unseating under heavy side loads.  From a
practical standpoint, I,ve seen many people use these style wheels
without tubes and have not heard of any problems, but prudence would
dictate using tubes.  

In my opinion the BFG Trac-Edge is a great all-around tire.  I use them
studded in the winter and feel it is the best winter tire I've ever ran.

best regards,

Tim Sitter
Peters Creek, Alaska

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:42:14 -500
Subject: Dinghy On Top?

Has anyone ever travelled with a sailing dinghy secured to the softtop
frames of their 109?  A Laser dinghy weighs about 130 lb.  Mark

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:52:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Best winch for any LR or RR

Steve Bradke states:

>The best winch for any LR  and especially Range Rovers would have to be
>without question
>The Belleview Alan Richer has on the front of Churchill...
>'ol Churchill has pulled many a series 3 and probably even more RR's from
some pretty tough spots..
>As long as Churchill is along one not need worry about what type of winch
to

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....8*)

As far as winches go I will admit to a fondness for the old Bellview (now
Warn 83xx) design.

It's simple, straightforward, all the parts are easily availabe in
industrial supply houses (if you don't make 'em yourself).

The only problem I have with it is a lack of automatic brake and a
power-out setting, which the new Warns have.

Many Range Rovers towed...Right, Bill C? 8*)

          aj"Gonna get booted off the list for this one"r

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 14:57:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Tailgate Chain Music?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>	Bondage in an 88" eh...  Always figured they were a bit short for 
>	that kind of thing.  
Where's your sense of adventure?  A little stretching and anything is 
possible...
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:40:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 59 88 work todate

Re: Dragging shoes:

Are you sure the shoes are parallel to the drums?

On my 109, I found that the shoe supports had worn, cocking the shoes
front-to-back at an angle to the drum face. If uncorrected, this could have
led to unsafe braking, as the showes wouldn't have contacted the drum all
the way across till they got really honked on.

This could explain the dragging, as the back or front of the shoe could be
cocked out enough to make contact.

                         aj"Safety first!"r

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:45:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Series Is in Korea

Re: Rovers in 'Nam:

Last Winter, the offspring and I were sledding at the local grammar school.
Taking advantage of the fact that no one was about, I parked Churchill in
front of the sledding area in a "NO PARKING" area.

While we were frolicking in the waist-deep white stuff, the local patrol
supervisor (top movile cop) pulls in for his door check, and stops dead in
front of Mr. Churchill.

OOps.

Puting on my best "But, Officer!..." face, I trudge downthe hill to meet my
fate, onlt yo be met by a smiling cop exclaiming "I haven't seen one of
these things since 'Nam!" He proceeded to tell me all about the radio vans
and service haks that the Aussies used - mostly 6-cylinder 109 regulars,
either open backed or fitted with FFR bodywork and additions.

He swore there wasn't a Jeep that could touch them either for speed or for
carrying capacity. to quote, "They used to pile them high inside and out
with gear till you couldn't even see the truck, then they'd motor off
totally careless to the weight. Nothing stopped 'em."

I made a new friend that day (and didn't even get bitched out for illegal
parking!).

                    aj"Thought you'd be interested"r

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 12:49:13 -0800
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: John Brabyn's Range Rover Web Site

Many who have been on this list for a while will know who John Brabyn is.
For those who do not, he's an outstanding example of an American Range Rover
owner who is dedicated to the enjoyment of the vehicle as it was meant to be
used.  John did an article in the Aluminum Workhorse a couple years ago
about a very nice hidden winch mount for his Range Rover.

Now John has put up a very ambitious web site at:

    http://home.earthlink.net/~cyberkiwi/rangerover

I've looked at it only very briefly but particularly noted that he gives
ordering information for his book _Range_Rover_Country_ which I highly
recommend for its worthy descriptions and excellent photos of some
interesting desert trips in Nevada and California.

Enjoy,

Granny

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:05:33 +0000
Subject: wire rope strength

There's been a couple of postings regarding wire rope breaking 
strengths. If people are interested you can take a look at:
http://versales.com/wirerop.htm
and you will see that there are quite a few variables that determine 
rope capacity.
For instance, a 5/16 wire rope can vary between 7,820lb and 10,540lb nominal 
strength. That's from this mfg. alone.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: hinano@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:46:24 -0800
Subject: How much to pay in the US & other general Questions??

I am a Brit car nut and have become interested in getting a Rover to add to my 
colection of (broken or under restoration) cars.  I have a 1960 Ausitn Mini 850 
and a 1967 Austin Healey 3000, both under construction and have run across two 
SII (I believe) junkers that seem to be in pretty good shape and could be put 
together to make on good car.  They look to me to SWB cars ??  They guy is 
asking $1000.00 for the two of them with no title, the title can be arrange here 
in Hawaii for around $500.00 through a short leagle process.  I am not sure of 
what models they are but the tags on the both are plates from more than 10 or 15 
years old.

I have several questions and I know that this is the place to find answers:

1.  I this a fair price??  Both cars are pretty complete.
2.  Can parts be found in the US??  any good suggestions??
3.  How can I tell which model they are??
4.  How easy are they to work on??
5.  What common problems do I need to look out for on an older car?? ie. panel 
rust, frame rot, expensiver missing trim or parts etc.

I had negotiated to buy a used Range Rover and thought after a while that I 
think I would rather save the high price of the Range Rover in Hawaii and drive 
a truley classic 4X4 like an orignal Rover.

Thanks for the help.

Aloha,
Scott in Hawaii

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:08:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Dinghy On Top?

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil> wrote:
>Has anyone ever travelled with a sailing dinghy secured to the softtop
>frames of their 109?  A Laser dinghy weighs about 130 lb.  Mark
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]

>Has anyone ever travelled with a sailing dinghy secured to the softtop
>frames of their 109?  A Laser dinghy weighs about 130 lb.  Mark
You could probably get away with throwing a Laser up there for short trips but 
the side loads from trying to slide 130 lbs up top might be a bit much.  I would 
recommend making a little trailer for the Laser....makes putting the thing in 
the water that much easier.

I've thrown all manner of stuff on the frame of my 3/4 canvas without much 
problem.

Such a weight on something like Thule bars on a hardtop would almost definitely 
be fine.

As always....YMMV
_______________________________________________________________________
Eric Zipkin  Bedford, NY  USA  *  ericz@cloud9.net  * www.cloud9.net/~ericz
SIII 109" V8 Hardtop * SII 109" SW (since new) * '63 Triumph Spitfire
SIIA 88" (project car)  *  '67 Mini-Moke * '94 Car Trailer: "NOT FOR HIRE"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:33:30 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Winter tips + safety

Dixon -

>> Fit 82 Deg C Thermostat.
>> An engine below its ideal running temperature of 75-80 deg C is ineffective, 

:	Only an 82?  Here we fit a ninty-something.  I think it was a 92 or
>	94 that I put in the Mini and use in the 109.  Run at 75-80?  My
>	thermostat must be off (been tested though).  The previous lump
>	would run below that normally in warm weather.  (would read about 20
>	in January once, er, warmed up)

I believe it - you guys really have it cold, north of London (wher this 
advice comes from) would probably feel like the Riviera to you!
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:35:54 -0800
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: ? Expanding fuel tanks on a 2A

John,

>outrigger)? I have not really studied the subject matter, 
>but I have not yet seen a reason why the front fuel tank 
>outrigger could not be moved.  Has anyone tried this?  I've 
>got two fillers on the car, so whatever I do to one side I 
>will do to the other.  Comments appreciated!

I have a 19-US gallon custom-fabricated auxillary tank for a 109 Station
Wagon that was made that way.  Looked at from the side, it has an ell-shaped
cross-section.  In other words, it has a low "foot" section that extends
forward from the front egde of the seatbox, under the floorboard, to attach
to the more forward outrigger of the frame.  Of course a 109 SW does not
have the fuel-tank outrigger to which you refer.  The tank I have fills
under the seat (no other way it could fill in a four-door station wagon) and
has no provision for a fuel gauge sender (could be added).  I kept it when I
sold the 109 because I planned to use it in my 88.  Then I found that it
would not fit in an 88 as the frame dimensions are somewhat different.  Have
hauled it to several lawn leaks to sell but still have it.  Oh, well.

I don't see why you could not cut the fuel-tank outrigger off of your frame
completely and fabricate a tank similar to mine that would mount to the next
forward outrigger.  I'd suggest fabricating from stainless steel.  If I were
having one done, I'd also sacrifice some capacity to gain some ground
clearance by sloping the bottom upward toward the outside edge to match the
line of bottom of the 3" sill panels of a late IIA/III.  I'd also consider
regaining some of that capacity by adding a section that would fit up over
the sloped part of the frame rail.  The downside of this, other than added
cost, would be that you'd have to remove the floorboards and seatbox to
install.  Maybe not worth it!  Especially not if you are going to do twin
tanks anyway.  Doug Shipman did twin SS tanks for his 88" (actually 90")
coiler and his have the bottoms sloped up as I had in mind.

Another worthwhile improvement would be to replace the flimsy and so easily
destroyed aluminum sill panels (you should see mine!) with rock sliders made
of 2"x3" rectangular tubing (3" being the vertical dimension) that have very
sturdy brackets to mount to the frame outriggers.  Not only would you have
rock sliders but some side-impact protection for the fuel tanks.  Definitely
on my wish list.

Granny

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re:  Geez what does this mean!!??
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 10:02:00 EST

I thopught the "road Rover" was a concept created in the Fifties
and, thankfully, never progressed with.  It was a two wheel drive "estate" 
car

Ron
 ----------
From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Geez what does this mean!!??
Date: Thursday, 9 January 1997 7:03PM

>From what I understand, output of the motor plant is to be divided between
>Rover and Chrysler.
>Rover, I think, will be using
>theirs for 'Road' Rovers (automobiles), which should be returning to the US
>market in the not too distant future, maybe by year 2000.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:12:57 +0000
From: Anda Lawson <anda@fwd.com.au>
Subject: Re: FW: Rear light

Beckett, Ron wrote:
>  ----------
> From: wleacock@pipeline.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
> Bill Leacock   Limey in exile
> 89 RR; 67 - 109 and  early 88.
Dearest Limey in Exile,
Short of ripping a lens off a vehicle to get one for you. We have found
that we do not stock the lens you need as it was not released in
Australia. If any thing comes up I will mail Ron the letch!
Cheers,
Miss 4wd's
-- 
FOUR WHEEL DRIVES
AUSTRALIA
http://www.fwd.com.au/

Melbourne Australia
IF IT IS OFF A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE WE'VE GOT IT.. AND WE'LL GET IT TO YOU!

																										  _______
                                                       //_/_|__\___
                                                       \_ - ___ - _FWD'S 
                                                         (O)   (O)

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:18:50 +0000
Subject: Front Springs

I'm interested in purchasing front springs for my late IIa 109. I 
live in Atlantic Canada and really don't have great access to a "Land 
Rover Specialist" to purchase a set from without paying through the 
nose for shipping. The local spring company can manufactuer a set to 
the same specs as the factory manual provides except the the 
thickness of the spring leaf itself is impossible to get, at least by 
them. The comprise was to use 8 1/4" leaves to a total of 2" thick 
instead of the 11 leaves to a total of 2" thick. Is this good idea?

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall, CET
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

------------------------------

From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 20:21:00 +0000
Subject: Swivel BallS

Does anyone have a set of good shiny, non-pitted swivel balls that 
they don't need and are willing to sell? If not, can anyone direct me 
to a place where I could purchase a good used set?

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

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From: NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:02:35 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Exhaust studs

Jeremy wrote:

>Not to be too picky, but it'd be better to heat the manifold and (if 
>possible) cool the studs.  That'll maximize the contraction/expansion
>difference...

Quite right.  But I've found it far easier to heat the studs (the manifold 
needs *too* much heat).  The purpose is to get the oil wicking down the 
threads.  I've also found that *any* movement - expansion or contraction - 
will accomplish the task.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:02:31 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Engine origina

John Ousterhout wrote:

>I've heard that a Rover engineer travelling in the US...saw a Buick 215 in
>a boat shed, leading to its use in Rovers today.

Close.  William Martin Hurst was touring a Mercury Marine plant when he 
literally stumbled across the GM aluminium block V-8.  This was 1965, and 
the "100 inch station wagon project" was already in the works.  Up until 
that time, the proposed powerplant was the Rover P-5, an in-line, 3.0 litre 
six.  However, the Buick V-8 was shorter and lighter.  GM (in a move I bet 
they regret to this day) sold the patent rights to Rover, as GM had by then 
perfected thin-wall iron casting, technology unavailable in the UK at that 
time.  The rest, shall we say, is history.  What amazes me is that this 
little engine has been stroked all the way out to 4.7 litres.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:53:04 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Shade Tree Mechanic - brake bleeding

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> wrote:

>You also can suck the brake fluid thru each line by connecting the 
>vac pump to each bleed screw(with a 'tee' fitting and bottle, follow 
>your pumps directions for transferring fluids), pump up some vacuum 
>and slowly open the bleed screw.  You will suck fluid from the lines 
>and m/c.

I also put together a suction system with stuff from the lab - vacuum pump,  
flask for the fluid, silicone tubing to watch progress, but when I loosened a 
bleed screw I just seemed to pull in air from around the screw, i.e. I never 
knew when to stop, there were bubbles no matter how long I went on. That was 
with the Lada Niva. The 90's brakes are still great but I had to change the 
clutch slave seal and tried the suction method with the same result. As soon as 
the bleed screw opened it slurped in air. 

Has anyone else found this? Perhaps a dose of anti-seize on the bleed screw 
threads first would stop air intake?
Cheers,
Allan.    

   
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Swivel BallS
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 13:27:00 EST

Peter,

I know one can buy refurbished swivel ball kits quite nicely priced
In Australia.
Do you want me to investigate further?  The big problem may be
that they are on an exchange basis.

Ron
 ----------
From: Peter & Julie Rosvall
Subject: Swivel BallS
Date: Friday, 10 January 1997 6:21AM

Does anyone have a set of good shiny, non-pitted swivel balls that
they don't need and are willing to sell? If not, can anyone direct me
to a place where I could purchase a good used set?

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

------------------------------

From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Series Is in Korea
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 21:50:04 -0700 (MST)

< Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if Rovers were used by British
< Forces in Korea 50-53?

According to Taylor & Morrison's MODERN MILITARY LAND ROVERS, 1971-1994, 
they were there, and it was their first war service.

I have seen no photos of LRs in Korea, and the British contribution in 
Korea was relatively small (and mostly foot soldiers), so I don't think 
there could have been that many LRs.

I have heard rumors that Taylor & Morrison will inevitably write a book 
or two on military Rovers, 1949-70.  Then there should be good public 
documentation on their Korean service.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Engine origina
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 14:17:00 EST

>What amazes me is that this
>little engine has been stroked all the way out to 4.7 litres.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |

Sandy,

I saw an ad in yesterday's Sydney Trading Post 
(http://www.tradingpost.com.au    -  do a search using the Sydney issue and 
under automotive, search words Rover) an advert for a 1983 (or 84) Rangie 
from John Davis Motor Works.  It has a 6 litre engine.  The car has had $70k 
spent on it.  If this is the car I'm thinking of, it was featured in a 
magazine mid-last year).

Ron

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Re: Shade Tree Mechanic - brake bleeding
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 14:17:00 EST

> put together a suction system with stuff from the lab - vacuum pump,
> flask for the fluid, silicone tubing to watch progress,
>Allan Smith

Allan - you're a lifesaver.  I've been wondering what I do with an old 
hand-driven lab vacuum pump I've had for a while.

I hope it hasn't been tossed out.  It was in the pile of junk to be dumped. 
 I'll check when I get home.

Ron

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:53:23 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Front Springs

At 20:18 97-01-09 +0000, you wrote:

>I'm interested in purchasing front springs for my late IIa 109. I 
>live in Atlantic Canada and really don't have great access to a "Land 
-Rover Specialist" to purchase a set from without paying through the 
>nose for shipping. The local spring company can manufactuer a set to 
>the same specs as the factory manual provides except the the 
-thickness of the spring leaf itself is impossible to get, at least by 
>them. The comprise was to use 8 1/4" leaves to a total of 2" thick 
>instead of the 11 leaves to a total of 2" thick. Is this good idea?

Living in Sherbrooke, Quebec, I found it a lot cheaper to order them from
England them having a spring shop make them. Call one of the parts houses
that advertise in LROI and LRW and ask them for a quote on shipping. Have it
sent in by sea and tell them that there is no hurry. They will try to get
the cheapest shipping method possible. If it is still too expensive,
consider getting together with a few local Land Rover owners and doing a
bulk order. Takes more time but a lot cheaper!!!

Salutations, 

 
Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za ()
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 10:56:39      
Subject: Odometer problems

Hi all,

I am having problems with my Odometer.  It worked fine until, one day, I reset 
its trip-counter to 0.  From that moment onwards it has not moved, but the 
speedo seems to work fine (or at least as it used to).

Have have you seen something like this? My guess is that I broke something 
that's easy to replace, but difficult to find.

Another question: could I perhaps have broken it by turning it the wrong way?

- Iwan Vosloo

(1975 SIII 88" Diesel LHD SW)

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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:57:42 -0700 (MST)
From: renken@primenet.com (Dennis E. Renken)
Subject: Series One Colors

I'm new to the List, and have a few questions. 

I recently bought a 1958 Series One 107".   Most of the paint is gone,
leaving a lot of bare aluminum, but protected areas under the hood still
have a light gray color.  Is this the LR color "Dove Gray"?  Is it possible
to find paint this color? (the FAQ on painting does not list this color).
And, is there a currently available color in a common brand (in the US),
such as PPG or Dupont, that is a close substitute?

I enjoy the List and learn a little each day, which will go towards the
disassembly and eventual rebuild of this LR.  

                                                                DENNY

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 14:06:25 +0300
Subject: Odometer dead

Hi all,

I am having problems with my Odometer.  It worked fine until, one day, I reset 
its trip-counter to 0.  From that moment onwards it has not moved, but the 
speedo seems to work fine (or at least as it used to).

Have have you seen something like this? My guess is that I broke something 
that's easy to replace, but difficult to find.

Another question: could I perhaps have broken it by turning it the wrong way?

- Iwan Vosloo

(1975 SIII 88" Diesel LHD SW)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 23:01:09 -0800
From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Subject: Re: Swivel BallS

Beckett, Ron wrote:
> Peter,
> I know one can buy refurbished swivel ball kits quite nicely priced
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> Peter Rosvall
> rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca
Last time I was at Octopus Engineering in Vancouver,Canada, he had
refurbished swivel balls. I don't know how much or if they are on an
exchange basis. I have no connection with them except that I
occasionally buy parts there.
Tom

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: zeus timing gears
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 07:41:44 +0100 (MET)

| 2100 USD sounds a lot,I got the impression they were much less than
| that.
OUUPS! Your are right Mike. To convert from DM to US$ I accidently
multiplied with 1.5 instead of dividing. The right price is about
930 US$.

Thanks for the URL.

cu.
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:12:08 +1300
From: Graeme Falloon <xtr82577001@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Dashboards and things

Hi all

I have got my series III 88 down to the chassis but with the bulkhead
still in place as a reference when I get to put it back together.

I plan on sand blasting the chassis but I would be interested in your
comments as to whether I need to.....the chassis has still got the
black  paint from the factory and yellow crayon marks which I assume
came from the factory...it is a 1977 model.

There is no rust on the outriggers or back cross member but a repair has
been made to the bulkhead under the accelerator.

On a previous "project" (a series IIa) I removed the bulkhead and
undersealed it but are reluctant to do it again.

The questions I have from you are:

The dash needs repairs to the vinyl..can anyone tell me of any pitfalls
in either removal or repair...the vinyl can apparently be heat shrunk
on.

A while ago there was discussion on the Honda bucket seats for Series
Rovers...what year and model is the best...Here in New Zealand I think
it is the Honda Prelude that has the best ones but I don't know the year
or model.

For those that get LRW I am trying to create the silver Defender that is
on page 22 of the October issue(a series III version of it that is).

Regards

Graeme Falloon

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: LRW AGAIN!
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 9:15:24 GMT

> I am dropping my LRW subscription for three reasons:
> 1. It is immature
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> 2. It is puerile
> 3. It is childish

I don't actually subscribe (but am a sucker in the newsagents), but agree.
The latest issue (Feb.?) thay had loads of complaining letters about the
infamous picture and some comment in the club news. Their answers didn't
seem to accept that they'd made bad judgements.

> 4. It is inaccurate
> 5. It is condescending
> 2. It is puerile

Tends to contain a lot of wibble. Many of the "main" articles are content-free,
about little more than what a great-time-the-lads-had sort of thing.

 
> The piece on Iceland rovering were okay, but it was done better a few
> months back by the other concern.  And the comments about Icelandic beer
> were well off the mark. Beer in Iceland sells for about $15 a sixpack for a
> superlative local brew that is worth the trip all by itself.

I have to admit this article gave me an idea. Perhaps some day...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 9:21:36 GMT

>  > Don't kid yourself Richard...getting into the handbrake is never a good
> time
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> not to dump out the little pieces of the expander or  adjustor, the little
> roller bearings can go a LONG ways (don't ask)

Sounds like fun. The manual implies that the shoes come off with the springs
attached (doesn't mean they won't drop off instantly, though!)

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: jjorge@fisica.uminho.pt
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 09:55:22 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?

     unsubscribe land-rover-owner jjorge@fisica.uminho.pt

> Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?
> Author:  Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com at Mensageiro

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> attached (doesn't mean they won't drop off instantly, though!)
> Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 03:07:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Series One Colors

Any decent body shop/paint reseller should have color scales (or whatever the  
heck they're called in English) and most likely would let you walk out on the  
parking lot with it and compare it to your vehicle.

With that at hand, they should be able to mix you any color you need exactly  
to spec.  Or, if you have a MIL color spec (i.e., aerospace related), it  
should be fairly easy for them to find out what it is and how to replicate it  
and mix you a batch.

On a side note:  I'm German, and my dad restored an old, fairly abused  
Mercedes Benz coupe a while back, and since he's working for Akzo Coatings  
(the unknown chemical giant backing names like Sikkens, Enka, etc) asked their  
labs what would be the best finish etc to achieve the look of the original  
vehicle.  Well, I have a picture of it sitting on my desk here and it looks  
fantastic, and will stay that way for most likely for a very long time.

There are some people who consider Sikkens to be some "cheap" aftermarket  
paint.  First of all, it is not cheap paint ;-), which you'll find out once  
you walk up to cashier at the lastest.  Secondly, as long as I have observed  
my dad running Akzo Dexter Aerospace Finishes, they have beaten all other  
competitors including ICI in quality lab test at all major aerospace vendors  
around the world.

And anyone who has ever seen hydraulic fluid eat regular paint away, and seen  
the new'ish high solids paints in action will be a believer.  Also, the UV  
resistance is far superior to other products.  Ok, high solids paints isn't  
exactly easy to apply and suited for non-professional painters, but  
derivatives of high solids paints can be found in their regular product lines.  
 Most German car manufacturers use Sikkens, btw.

And aside from my dad being a manager with Akzo, I have no affiliation with  
them and the above is purely my personal opinion.  Flame me.

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:57:42 -0700 (MST), renken@primenet.com (Dennis E.  
Renken) wrote:
> I'm new to the List, and have a few questions.
> I recently bought a 1958 Series One 107".   Most of the paint is gone,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> I enjoy the List and learn a little each day, which will go towards the
> disassembly and eventual rebuild of this LR.
> DENNY
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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 10:18:00 PST

What's the difference between the sIII handbrake and the 110? Apart from it 
being a pain in the arse removing the propshaft (no room to get a socket on 
the bolts) stripping and regreasing the handbrake adjuster was a doddle. I 
did the work in the back of the wagon, less space for parts to escape to!

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: marsden
Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?
Date: 10 January 1997 00:00

>  > Don't kid yourself Richard...getting into the handbrake is never a good
> time
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> not to dump out the little pieces of the expander or  adjustor, the little
> roller bearings can go a LONG ways (don't ask)

Sounds like fun. The manual implies that the shoes come off with the springs
attached (doesn't mean they won't drop off instantly, though!)

Richard  (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Best winch for any LR or RR
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 21:02:00 EST

DaveB wrote
>As an example, last time I saw Al's the hook was missing off the
>front...seems the sloenoid froze shut and the winch kept going...
>an 8,000 lb winch  snapped a10,000 lb cable...
>Scary, yet somehow comforting too.

Hmm, reminds me of my son's LandCruiser FJ55 (bought from me)
which has/had a PTO Toyota winch.  He forgot to take the winch
out of circuit, left the hook on the front of the car.  Sure made a mess
of the front of the LC

ROn 

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Miss 4WD and I
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 21:02:00 EST

Just a note to advise that I have no relationship with Miss 4WD (Anda). 
 (I'd work on it except for the facts that my wife might object and I live 
about 1000km away)
 Also no relationship with her company.

I just happen to live in the same country and like the same brand of vehicle

Ron Beckett

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