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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:30:00 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re:Salisbury axle

Inspired byFloris Houniet's posting about lockers, where he says that
the Salisbury axle lessens the chance of broken half-shafts - I am
asking the following?

I what way (mechanical) does the salisbury axle differ from stock? How
can it lessen risk of broken half-shafts.

I preseume that my 109 rear axle is salisbury, it is different in shape
to the stock on my 88" - having an inspection plate which is visible
from the rear of the truck.

Any views or experiences on Salisbury (or other alternative) axles
welcome.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 07:31:59 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Water Crossings and Oil don't mix

     
>I think I'll check the swivel housings when ever I do crossings in future. 
 >I might even carry enough oil in a squeeze bottle to enable a change on the 
>trail.  At least old Land Cruisers use grease.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
     They do? Or is it just another SPOT? The ones Ive seen have a joint 
     vcalled a birfield or something that looks alot like the CV's on my 
     Honda...inside a swivel just like on the LR's... with a fill plug, I 
     didn't look to see if there was a drain...I imagine water could still 
     get in, eh?
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:43:45 +0100
From: Floris Houniet <Houniet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Carbs

Hi all,
What's all this glass plate stuff?
I have a Zenith that constantly needs choke, so as not to stall when I
accelerate (or try to). I've checked ignition and replaced everything
that I can think of....
I've come to the conclusion that it must be false air coming in
somewhere :-(
I'd also like tips on getting the varnish out. It was not used for about
2 years before I bought it and it didn't  look very pretty when I opened
it up.

thanks,
Floris Houniet
'69 109

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:07:24 -0500
Subject: Oil in water

Jeff Jackson wrote about the traces of water found in the oil. 
Jeff: You are on the right track. It sounds to me that your PCV system is not
functioning correctly. If you dont have a manual look on pg 7 of the Rovers
North catalog. Often the diaphram of the valve goes south, or POs remove them
altogether.
Ensure that the hoses arent plugged with sludge and check the breather on top
of the valve cover too. Cheers. Andy Balckley

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 08:11:35 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Oh No - Water in my motor o

   
     
 DIxon writes:
     
 >>>(I don't need to check the il.  I have the consumption rate 
 down by heart and top up appropriately... :-))
     
     But that dipstick DOES come in handy for checking the antifreeze 
     level, eh?
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 08:09:12 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Oh No - Water in my motor o

     >>>>   So I made a crude, but efficient, air dam out of old license 
     plates and went for a drive. 
     
     Could have been confusing had you been stopped by Waterford's 
     finest...
     
     Dave B.

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:17:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil in water

Re: Oil in water:

I think I missed the original post, but another point that gets gucked-up
with condensation is the dipstick opening, if the O-ring has gone to meet
its Maker.

What happens without an O-ring there is that vapours go up the dipstick
tube and condense, then water will run back down or collect as an oil
mousse in the tube itself, sometimes freezing the dipstick in place (don't
ask me how      know this one...8*)  ).

Make sure the diptick tube has an O-ring, and make doubly sure the stick
itself seats and seals properly to the end of the tube.

                         ajr

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 08:26:51 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: I see, you see, UAZ??

     I saw somethnig reaaly cool on the way to work today, I believe it to 
     be a Russian 4x4, similar to a LR in size, looks like a cross between 
     a Rover and a LandC****er...I think its called a UAZ?
     
     There was an article in LROI soem months back showing a comparison 
     between this and a Land Rover, I think IIa. 
     
     Anybody know anything about these trucks?
     When were they made?
     Are there any of these in the US besides this one? It was a very 
     Limestonish color, and looked very clean, cept for the rust colored 
     undercarriage. The pumpkin on the rear axle looked more like a small 
     gourd.
     
     Later
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 08:20:47 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: New member

 >At the momment I have the tasks that every Landy owner looks forward too
 >I.E. front propshaft u.js to replace

check the sliding joint for excessive play, it may be a victim of the same 
neglect that sent the UJ's to an early grave. If it is, you may as well 
either drive it till it gives out or replace it with a decent used one or a 
new one...

>> and yet another set of rear hub seals to replace(the second set in 3 
months).
     
     try replacing the metal race on the stub axle, and you may find that 
     the time between seal replacements will be much longer...
     
     Dave B.

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From: "Thees Brons" <378219@sepa.tudelft.nl>
Date:          Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:55:13 MET
Subject:       Africa overland

Hi everybody,

Together with 2 friends I am preparing a Land-Rover for
a journey from Holland through the Middle East and eastern 
Africa to South Africa. We will be leaving in may for a period of 
about six months.

We recently bought a Series III, 1980, stage I, V8, 117.000 km.

Does anyone have first hand experience with such a trip? Can anyone 
give us good tips concerning:
 - optional equipment (like an oil cooler, air cleaner, raised air 
   intake etc.)
 - upgrading the suspension
 - which spare parts to take along (I have understood that waterpumps 
   can be a problem on older Land-Rovers)
 - or anything else concerning such a trip.

Regards,

Erik Hupje
Delft, Holland
378219@sepa.tudelft.nl

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From: Peter Reynolds <Peter_Reynolds@imarketinc.com>
Date:  6 Jan 97  9:37:33 
Subject: LR's for hire in the states? (I hope this posts)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:06:33 -0400
Subject: Overdrive

>What is the principle of overdrive, and how does it work, what are the
>pros and cons?

Simple actually - rather than top-end being 1:1 through the gearbox (top
drive), it's an auxiliary gearset
that changes the ratio to leass than 1:1 - basically the transfer case sees
 more than 1 revolution per revolution
of the engine crankshaft.

Typically it's .78 to 1 - meaning .78 of a turn of the engine crank gets
you 1 turn to the transfer case..

Works great - I have one and love it. It makes the LR more suitable as a
highway cruiser
when the weather allows - I typically cruise at 65-70 with a standard 2.25
and freewheeling hubs.
When I can keep my foot out of he accelerator it also gives better fuel
mileage than standard
4th gear.

It does make for more shifting for hills and the like, though, as the
engine will bog easier at high
RPM due to the increased load.

>Can it be retrofitted to a series III diesel? How? Is it a LR original
upgrade (!) or an aftermarket afterthought?

Yes, yes, and yes. It bolts onto the back of the transfer case as a
replacement for the transmission output gear and
backplate. It was originally an aftermarket bit that LR eventually blessed
and began to sell themselves.

>Will it improve (decrease) rpm and engine/transmission noise on motorway
driving, save on fuel, and does it save wear on transmission/motor?

Yes, and as far  as noise, with an LR Diesel not so you'll notice.. As far
as wear goes, it does cut engine RPM, so it'll help there. The output and
transfer case still go around at the same speed, though, so no joy there.

>How is it selcected/deselected - I seem to remember reading about
electrical selection, but I read something here the other day about an
>extra "gear-stick" ? Are there various options available? Does anyone
>have any good/bad recommendations.

There are 2 overdrives available, the Fairey/Superwinch and the Toro. I
believe the Toro is
a Spanish one, but I've never seen one. The Fairey is the one 99% of the
real world uses, and it's
marked by a short life due to miniscule oil capacity.

They both work and install the same though, being actuated by a gearstick
that protrudes through the side of the transmission
tunnel.

I personally like them - I'm sure someone is going to come along and call
me rude names
and decry them completely, but I'm used to this...8*)

                         Alan

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:09:35 -0400
Subject: Re: LR's for hire in the states? (I hope this posts)

I believe National Car Rental does Rovers (at least Discoveries...) on a
day/week basis. Dunno about a monthly, but it might be worth a call.

When you get into Boston, let me know. I work across the river in
Cambridge, and we'll have to get together for dinner!

                         ajr

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Brake drum removal
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 15:31:03 GMT

> >> From:          Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
> >> Is there an easy way to get the *&@*^% screws out of the brake drums?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Steve Paustian
> Flatland Rover Society
> D90 SW

Mine turned the "correct" way. Impact driver got them out. My front ones
now have copper slip in them, and come undone with a "standard" large
screwdriver. Haven't taken the rear ones off yet...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR with a scrunch-special gearbox)

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Water Crossings and Oil don't mix
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:35:48 -0800

Do the swivel balls have vents? I didn't see any when I was under my
Disco changing the fluid in them.
When I had water in the swivel-ball oil, the dealer changed the
seal/bearing (I can't remember now) on that side, which is about the
only way for water to get in, as near as I could tell.

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>From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> I might even carry enough oil in a squeeze bottle to enable a change on the 
>trail.  At least old Land Cruisers use grease.
Checking the fluids after water crossings is always a good idea. I need
to do that on mine after the excess precipitation we receieved here in
the Pacific Northwest. (Washington State, in the US for those across one
of the "ponds") Fording 12" of water was common for several days here.
(wheeeee!) I avoided the deeper puddles, though. It's not the depth that
concerns me as much as it's hard to see the road when its under more
water than that and I'd really hate to find the drainage ditches that
run along side the roads while the road is under a foot (30 cm) of
water.

Happy Trails!

-- Bob W.
>'95 Disco

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:43:13 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Full-Size Sport Utility Market Import vs. Domestic Status vs. Utility

In a message dated 97-01-06 08:56:04 EST, AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net writes:

Saw this article earlier today:

<<     DETROIT, Jan. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- 
           Vehicle Use, Domestic vs. Import
     If you are looking for a friend to go with you on your next outdoor
 adventure, what they have parked in their garage might be a good indication
if
 they will be up for it.  By a ratio of nearly two to one, owners of Tahoes,
 Suburbans, Yukons and Ford Expeditions are more interested in outdoor
 activities such as camping, boating, fishing and hunting than their Land
 Cruiser, LX450, and Land Rover counterparts -- who would rather take in the
 symphony or a wine tasting. >>

Anyone up for a nice riesling or perhaps a white zinfandel with a playing of
my latest Schubert CD this weekend?  ; )

Nate

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Forwarded message:
From:	AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net
Date: 97-01-06 08:56:04 EST

    DETROIT, Jan. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- As the Dodge Durango sport utility
vehicle
is scheduled to be unveiled this week at the North American International
Auto
Show, Detroit based Polk released its latest consumer analysis on the full-
size sport utility vehicle market (SUV) that the Durango is entering.  The
Polk analysis shows that there is a clear distinction between what domestic
and import full-size SUV owners will probably be doing with their vehicles,
that sales of full-size SUVs have boomed by as much as 150 percent over the
last five years and that manufacturers are wise in expanding their vehicle
lines to include the full-size SUVs.
          Vehicle Use, Domestic vs. Import
    If you are looking for a friend to go with you on your next outdoor
adventure, what they have parked in their garage might be a good indication
if
they will be up for it.  By a ratio of nearly two to one, owners of Tahoes,
Suburbans, Yukons and Ford Expeditions are more interested in outdoor
activities such as camping, boating, fishing and hunting than their Land
Cruiser, LX450, and Land Rover counterparts -- who would rather take in the
symphony or a wine tasting.
          Further lifestyle and demographic analysis by Polk indicates that
import
owners of the full-size vehicles appear to be buying them for the status,
while the lifestyle interests of domestic owners indicate that they are more
interested in the "utility" part of the vehicles.
          "Our analysis paints a clear picture of the differences between
domestic
and import full-size SUV owners," said Glenn Forbes, Polk's vice president of
transportation.  "A domestic SUV is more likely to be found with a deer
strapped to its hood, while an evening at the theater might be a prime time
to
spot import full-size SUVs."
          Full-Size Offering -- Sharp Strategy
    It looks like Dodge is joining Ford and Lexus with the right marketing
strategy by adding a full-size SUV to their vehicle offerings.  Polk analysis
of which vehicles people owned when they bought a new full-size SUV reveals
that both makes were losing customers to their competition -- because they
didn't have the full-size sport utility offering.
          The analysis indicates that the newly discovered love for the
full-size
SUVs was a strong enough attraction for people to leave their current vehicle
brand.
          "General Motors has basically owned the full-size SUV market for a
number
of years and Ford was losing customers because they didn't have a comparable
offering," Forbes said.  "Based on the initial sales results, it looks like
Ford is on the money with the introduction of the Expedition, and the
introduction of the Durango should also be a hit for Dodge."
          SUV Owners Want the Same, Just More of It
    People are seeking an upgrade.  A majority of people (42 percent) that
are
moving into the spaciousness of a full-size SUV had previously owned an SUV.
They knew what they were getting and just wanted more of it.
          Nearly 70 percent of the new fall-size SUV owners were previous
buyers of
new light trucks (pickup, minivan, full-size van and sport utility vehicle).
          How Are They Selling?
          Between 1991 and 1995 the sales of new cars and light trucks grew
at a
20 percent rate (being fueled by the popularity of mini-vans, SUVs and pickup
trucks), compared to the growth of the full-size sport utility market
(Suburbans, Tahoes, Yukons, Land Cruisers, etc.) which increased 150 percent
during the same time.  The growth of compact sport utility vehicles (Blazer,
Grand Cherokee, Explorer, etc.) also grew at an amazing 93 percent over the
same time period.
                          Growth of New Vehicle Registrations
          Category          1991-1995      Percent    Year-to-Date
        Percent
                                    Increase (through October 31)   Increase
          Full-Size  108,600 to 271,000    150%          314,400
           39%
    All SUVs   904,700 to 1.75 mill.  94%             1.74 million    19%
    Cars     8.2 mill. to 8.7 mill.    6%              7.4 million     2%
          As of the end of October 1996 (the latest figures available), the
sales of
full-size SUVs have grown by another 39 percent compared to 1995, which is up
significantly compared to the only four percent growth in the overall sales
of
cars and light trucks.
          Part of the reason for the continued growth is the strong
performance of
GM's line of full-size SUVs the Suburban, Tahoe and Yukon.  Additionally, the
Ford Expedition, Ford's recent entry into the full-size market, is hot out of
the gate.  The first two months of sales for the Expedition (September and
October, 1996) were over 13,000 vehicles, a very impressive start.
          "General Motors basically created the full-size SUV market." Forbes
said.
"Now what we are seeing is a classic life cycle of a vehicle market.  Once
the
niche is identified, other manufacturers jump in and start to segment by
providing new vehicle offerings, as we have been seeing with the
introductions
of the Lexus LX450, the Ford Expedition, and now the Dodge Durango."
          Demographic: Who's Buying?
          Full-size SUVs are not cheap, and that fact is reflected in the
income
levels of buyers of both domestic and import full-size sport utility
vehicles.
                            House Hold Income Level (est.)
          Category              Under   $50,000 to   $100,000(+)   Total
                        $50,000     $99,999
          Domestic                26%         41%        33%        100%
    Import                  11%         29%        60%        100%
    Other Light Trucks      44%         36%        20%        100%
       (mini-vans, sport
       utility vehicles,
       pick-up trucks)
          Polk provides multi-dimensional intelligence information solutions
to
companies as a direct marketing resource; a supplier of demographic and
lifestyle data and database marketing services; a statistician for the motor
vehicle industry; a publisher of city directories; and an enabler of
geographic information systems.  Polk is a privately held global firm with
facilities around the world including the United States, Canada, England,
Germany and Barbados.
                              Full-Size Sport Utility Market
                   Import vs. Domestic = Status vs. Utility
                                  Fact Sheet
                             Polk Analysis Findings: Summary
          Conclusion #1
    --  There is a sharp contrast between domestic and import full-size SUV
        owners.  Generally speaking, domestic owners tend to use their
        vehicles more for the utility, import owners more for the status.
          Conclusion #2
    --  Manufacturers introducing full-size SUVs to their vehicle offerings
to
        maintain customers is a wise marketing strategy to keep customers
make
        loyal.
          Conclusion #3
    --  The full-size SUV market is booming.  It has grown 150 percent over
        the past five years and is up 39 percent year-to-date (as of October
        31, 1996).
                             Vehicle Use: Domestic vs. Import
          79 percent, of Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon and Ford Expedition owners
are
interested in the following activities when compared to the Land Rover, Land
Cruiser and Lexus LX450 owners, 40 percent:
          --  Boating and Sailing    --  Home Workshop
    --  Camping and Hiking     --  Hunting and Shooting
    --  Crafts                 --  Domestic Travel
    --  Fishing
          Import owners are more interested (36 percent), in the following
activities than domestic full-size SUV  owners (23 percent):
          --  Cultural Arts and Events   --  Tennis
    --  Fashion                    --  Wines
    --  Foreign Travel
                                  How Are They Selling?
                            Growth of New Vehicle Registration
           Category          1991-1995       Percent   1996 Year-to-Date
    Percent
                                      Increase  (through October 31)
 Increase
           Full-Sized  108,600 to 271,000       150%               314,400
      39%
     All SUVs  904,700 to 1.75 mill.       94%          1.74 million
      19%
     Cars     8.2 mill. to 8.7 mill.        6%           7.4 million
       2%
          --  Ford Expedition, Ford's recent entry into the full-size market,
is hot
        out of the gate.  The first two months of sales for the Expedition
        (September and October, 1996) were over 13,000 vehicles.
                                   Where Do They Live?
                          Top 5 Markets -- Overall Registrations
                Market              Number of New Full-Size SUV Registered
                              Year-to-Date (through October 31,1996)
    1. - Los Angeles                       17,020
    2. - New York                          15,952
    3. - Dallas                            12,273
    4. - Houston                           10,524
    5. - Detroit                           10,391
          --  The top 5 markets account for 21 percent of all the 314,362 new
        full-size SUVs registered year-to-date (through October 31, 1996).
         Top 5 Markets -- Market Penetration (percent of overall vehicle
market)
               Market               Full-Size SUVs as Percent of Overall
Vehicle
                              Market
          1. Twin Falls, ID                      7.9%
    2. Laredo, TX                          7.3%
    3. Butte/Bozeman, MT                   7.0%
    4. North Platte, NE                    6.9%
    5. Bend, OR                            6.7%
                         What Vehicles Do They Own When They Buy?
          Segment Owned at Time of New      Percent of Full-Size Coming from
Segment
         Full-Size Purchase
          Sport Utility Vehicle (any Size)
                                     42%
    Pickup Truck                                                          19%
    Luxury Car                                                            11%
    Minivan                                                                6%
                               Demographics: Who's Buying?
                              House Hold Income Level (est.)
    Category                      Under  $50,000 to    $100,000 (+)   Total
                                $50,000     $99,999
          Domestic                        26%         41%            33%
    100%
    Import                          11%         29%            60%     100%
    Other Light Trucks              44%         36%            20%     100%
     (mini-vans, sport utility
     vehicles, pick-up trucks)
      CO:  Polk Creative
      ST:  Michigan
      IN:  AUT
      SU:

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:49:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "Bert P. Krages" <krages@teleport.com>
Subject: I have a leak!!!!  (amazing)

My 1957 88" Series I leaks from the inside of the hard top.  There are a
series of about three very small holes in the top that seem to follow the
reinforcing ridge of the top.  After it rains, water drips from these holes
and falls (of course) on the center passenger seat.  In Portland, Oregon
this presents a problem.  Other than keeping a towel on the center seat,
does anyone have suggestions on how to stop the leaks?

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:01:59 -0400
Subject: Re: I have a leak!!!! (amazing)

Re: Leaks:

A Land-Rover that leaks? Never....8*)

If the holes are in an area of all-aluminum, I'd clean them up of paint and
solder them closed with a propane torch and aluminum solder sticks fom
BernzOMatic.

If they're in the join between the roof and the galvanized edge, a
strategic application of RTV is in order.

If the damn things are along a seam line, drilling them and putting in
closed-back pop rivets with a dab of RTV works.

                              ajr

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 08:35 PST
From: grs@claircom.com (Gregg Siegfried)
Subject: 96 Disco CD player

Hi, all.

I've just been on the list a couple of days, it looks like a great resource,
and has a pretty reasonable signal to noise ratio.

I am preparing to pick up my first LR today, a 96 Disco XD, one of the
vehicles used in the Eco Challenge in BC last year, and an apparent
prototype of the 97 XDs which are scheduled to arrive here in the US
sometime this quarter.

Any other XD owners (or future owners) on the list?

While I'm sure I'll have more substantial questions after actually driving
the vehicle for a while, my initial one is pretty basic:

Can I purchase a CD changer that's compatible with the head unit and
prewiring without getting it from the dealer?  I have some experience with
this on the BMW side.. with an addition of an adapter cable, off the shelf
CD changers of the variety BMW OEMs can be purchased from your neighborhood
electronics discounter.

It would be nice to be able to do the same with the LR.

I'm looking forward to the LR experience, and putting the discovery to the
test here in the northwest.

Thanks,
Gregg Siegfried
grs@claircom.com

96 Discovery XD
95 ///M3

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 11:50:19 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: I have a leak!!!!  (amazing)

     
>My 1957 88" Series I leaks from the inside of the hard top. ....snip...  
>Other than keeping a towel on the center seat, does anyone have suggestions 
>on how to stop the leaks?
     
     take off the hard top.
     
     Hee hee
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 12:14:13 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Full-Size Sport Utility Market Import vs. Domestic 

   By a ratio of nearly two to one, owners of Tahoes, Suburbans, Yukons and 
 Ford Expeditions are more interested in outdoor activities ..snip...
 
 than their Land- Cruiser, LX450, and Land Rover counterparts -- who would 
 rather take in the symphony or a wine tasting. >>
     
Anyone up for a nice riesling or perhaps a white zinfandel with a playing of 
my latest Schubert CD this weekend?  ; )
     
     Love to!
     Can we get all that out into the woods? I can rig up a quick power 
     supply to the PTO....
     
     Coming from Detroit, Id have to say this is some kind of flag-waving 
     yahoo that doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. See, he forgot 
     to include Series owners in his survey...
     
     Dixon, can you cahnge it to the "Off-Road Wine Cooler"
     And the bagpipes, the bagpipes...they'll have to go to...
     
     I DON'T THINK SO! Who is this shmuck! I want his diminutive head 
     served up on a deluxe bonnet (dished please) with PLENTY of Grey 
     Poupon!
     

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:31:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Full-Size Sport Utility Market Import vs. Domestic 

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

>      Dixon, can you cahnge it to the "Off-Road Wine Cooler"

	Dave, Dave, Dave...  I told you to stay away from the stale beer...
	Now you have put me off lunch...

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:41:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Manuals and Books!

Manuals:

As far as it goes, there's nothing, bar none, better than the factory
manuals for a Series IIa.
The Haynes manual just isn't as thorough by a long shot, though it does
have a lot to offer for
its size.

The various resto manuals put out by LRO and the like are OK (I have one
myself), but the
factory manual covers it all...

                              ajr

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:55:50 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: 1995 LROI Index

The issue in question was March of 92 which sadly is out of stock.  If it is
important I could probably get you a photocopy and have it mailed to you.  

Regards

LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)
>>To find an article from any 1995 issue of LROI you can now use our resource
>>centre at:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
>Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
>San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:56:48 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery hire in UK

You can contact Nick Kerner Engineering at 106015,2271@compuserve.com

This company will deliver to Heathrow and offers insurance if required.
Some companies require you to get your own insurance in the UK which is
difficult and very expensive for short term cover on a US or Canadian license.

Regards.
>My family and I are going to be in the UK in June 1997, and were hoping
>to rent a Discovery while we were there. Does anyone have any
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Cheers
>Chris Whitehead

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:57:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Oh No - Water in my motor o

I had exactly the same problem my first Winter with my 109. Don't worry
about it, and check your PCV system for proper operation.

Also, check to see the dipstick has an O-ring on it. You may simply be
getting condensation in the dipstick tube that's frightening you.

                         ajr

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Manuals and Books!
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 18:04:52 GMT

> The various resto manuals put out by LRO and the like are OK (I have one
> myself), but the
> factory manual covers it all...

Except the wing/door mirrors which aren't in the repair manual (but are in the
parts manual for the SIII). I agree they're better though.

This brings two queries:

The Lightweight Parts Manual: does this include the mil. and FFR specific
bits for the 109?
I have the SIII manuals for the civvie, but obviously some bits are different!

And secondly, I have the rectangular wing mirrors that fit the doors. 
Apparently they weren't fitter until 1979, so I guess the mil. had them
earlier? Anyway, the arm, and the thread holding it to the mirror is bust,
but the mirror is okay. Anyone have a good left-hand one going spare?
It looks like the mirror is only held in by the rubber seal, so one
with a broken glass would be fine (my glass is good nick).

Cheers,

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 13:23:57 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Manuals and Books!

     

     
>>>The Lightweight Parts Manual: does this include the mil. and FFR 
specific bits for the 109?
I have the SIII manuals for the civvie, but obviously some bits are different!
     
     My understanding is that alot of the MOD parts were available on 
     civvie rigs as optional eqpt. So you would need the optional eqpt 
     catalog for most of this. Radio stuff I don't know about, I would 
     imagine the truck came wired for it and the mil supplied the gear, but 
     WTHK...
     
     >>And secondly, I have the rectangular wing mirrors that fit the 
     doors. Apparently they weren't fitter until 1979, 
     
     Door hinge mounted mirrors were stock on NAS SIII's, from 1972-74. 
     There were some IIa's that had 'em, but they were different, basically 
     just a wing mirror mounted to a special door hinge. The SIII door 
     mirror bolted between the hinge and the door. Holes were still there 
     in the wings for wing mirrors. Mine has both and they are both 
     worthless..
     
     YMMV
     DaveB.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Manuals and Books!
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 18:41:38 GMT

> >>>The Lightweight Parts Manual: does this include the mil. and FFR 
> specific bits for the 109?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>      in the wings for wing mirrors. Mine has both and they are both 
>      worthless..

My parts manual definitely says from 1979! Mine was delivered in 1973, and
you say the NAS ones are different. Hmmm. Perhaps they are SIIa leftovers?

Anyway, I find the righthand side one useful - this is fine. The left
one (opposite side to driver's side, next to useless), but I might as well have
one which isn't in imminent danger of popping off, and it looks silly without
it!

Another mirror problem, is the rear-view mirror which vibrates like nobody's
business - even with some lumps of lead strapped to it!

The MOD parts I was thinking about are things like the oil cooler, the water
pump (mine is in better nick than the one Paddocks tried to sell me!),
then there's the electrics (all 24v), and I understand there are bits which
may be different. Heard that the rear brake pipes might be different.
I guess there are lots of little things tocatch me out - like the water
pump.
I have some of the extras - brake test light, servo assist on the brakes
(standard on the 109 civvies?), deluxe bonnet,etc.

Oh, and I might be in market for a good reconditioned SIII gearbox. Mine
has been noisy since I got it, and was due for replacement in a year or so's
time. Problem was yesterday on the A1 when it made some horrible noises
- nearly turned back to my parents. Couldn't see anything amiss (I wouldn't,
would I?). They disappeared, but every so often (period of 20-50 miles)
I get this adrenaline-wrenching scrunching noise that would last a second
or so. Who needs coffee? :-)
Guess there's something loose in there, and I doubt its repairable in situ.
If it comes out, I'll replace it with a reconditioned unit, but can't
afford it for a few more months...
No more long journeys. My exploits in the Lakes lacked off-roading, but
did include two passes which were "closed" (I did one that was open, does
that count?). And one tow to a car in Buttermere *village*.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:45:39 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Vehicle Rental North America

As part of our commitment to the expansion of our Resource Centre we are
looking for information on locations where Land Rover products can be
rented.  We have unconfirmed reports of availiblity in Atlanta, Washington
DC and Boston.  Local information would be appreciated such as the company
name and exact location.  Any other information about other locations would
be much appreciated.

With thanks.

LRO SHOP (NORTH AMERICA)

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From: mrrawlings@meto.gov.uk
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 18:17 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Disco hire in UK

 *This is my first posting to The List - hope it works! <cringe>*

 Chris,

 The number Peter Hirsch mentions is for Nick Kerner Engineering in=

 Bracknell, Berkshire (with whom I have no connections etc.,
 etc....!).

 I spoke to them this afternoon and got quoted the following prices,=

 per day, for 2-6 days:

 D90 Hardtop    - =9C50 per day
 D110 CSW       - =9C80 per day
 Disco (not sure what model) - =9C90 per day

 I think they've got Rangies, but no Series. 

 I don't know how those prices compare, so it might be worth shopping=

 around a bit.

 The insurance works the same way as for a standard car though - no=

 comp safaris, I'm afraid!  They were *rather* firm about that...=

 funny....?

 If you're flying to the UK, Bracknell is only about 30 miles from=

 London Heathrow.  To phone from outside the UK it's +44 1344 885222.=
 

 Hope that helps...

 Cheers ;)

 Mark Rawlings.
 mrrawlings@meto.gov.uk

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 13:58:49 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Forward 101

Dear Dixon
I would love to know where I can buy legally in the USA a 101.Any help in 
this matter will be greatly appreciated.
Benjamin

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 11:24:13 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?

I was wondering if anyone out there has had experience with
or would care to offer recommendations or disuasions on 
any UK suppliers of rebuilt gearboxes.  I'm in the process
of assessing potential economic damage ( :) ) for possible
replacement of a 4spd gearbox from an 83 RR.

So far I've talked to LEGS and Cambs. 4x4.

All input pos. and neg. appreciated.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 14:21:24 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Forward 101

     
>Dear Dixon
>I would love to know where I can buy legally in the USA a 101.Any help in 
>this matter will be greatly appreciated.
>Benjamin
     
     You need to take a class first. Its called "Vehicle Import Law 101"
     
     Good Luck
     
     DaveB.

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:37:52 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Zenith 36IVE Questions

Okay, I'm getting ready to undertake another rebuild on the Zenith and I
have a few questions: (1) Once I get all the pieces parts disassembled,
what kind of goop should I soak them in to clean em? (2) Do I need to put
any type of gasket sealant on the gasket that joins the two halves? (3)
I've got a new throttle butterfly without the popet valve and small
hole--can I install this on the 36IVE? If I do, what will happen?

Thanks,

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD
1969 Series IIA 88" SW

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:44:03 -0500
Subject: Re: LR's for hire in the states? (I hope this posts)

Peter , as my Disco is in the shop (deer damage) , I got a rental from
Enterprise ( no didn`t get the LR ) she told me that they had 1 Disco left on
a long term rental .  You may want to call them to see if they are available
in your area . (check with the car rental agents at the airports : your best
bet )  Sorry,didn`t find out a price :( 
                                                                      Rgds, 

                                                                         Rick

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:57:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Forward 101

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Benjamin G. Newman,MD wrote:

> I would love to know where I can buy legally in the USA a 101.Any help in 
> this matter will be greatly appreciated.

	Any purchase of a motor vehicle, when done properly will be legal.
	This includes the transfer of ownership for a 101.  Finding an
	available 101, already residing in the USA is another matter.
	There are at least a dozen, but I know of none that are available
	for sale currently.  Importing is a whole differnt matter.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 15:02:27 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: LR's for hire in the states? (I hope this posts)

     
     Peter , as my Disco is in the shop (deer damage) 
     
     Are they gonna fix the spoiler, or are you just gonna take it off next 
     time :-)
     
     DaveB.
     

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:20:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: stir-crazy on the tundra...

	LANDOVER, MD (AP)  Land Rover North America introduces a new service,
available only through its network of exclusive Land Rover Centres.  

	Recognising that the busy executive no longer has time to go and
trash a fragile eco-system though reckless Camel Trophy <tm> driving
techniques Land Rover North America is proud to announce the "pre-muddied"
look. 

	Great for those "rugged-individualist-with little-free-time" 
types.  When you have a date, concert, or wine tasting to attend, your
chauffer forgot and washed your 4.6HSE or Discovery XD, and you *need* to
have that adventure look, just simple have your chauffer drive down to
your nearest Land Rover Centre for a quick application of mud and goo. 

	There are two types of service available.  A quick spray on
application for the last minute rush job.  This is applied by authentic
Camel Trophy drivers.  Who else who have the skills to fake the authentic
look! 

	For the more descerning owners, there is a more thorough service.
It is provided by genuine Heritage Land-Rover drivers provided by the
Ottawa Valley, Virginia, and Solihull Society Land-Rover clubs. They will
*thrash* your vehicle professionally around our Land Rover Centre trials
course. 

	For those owners trying to keep milage down, for a nominal extra 
fee, they will tow the vehicle around through the course behind an 
authentic Heritage edition Land-Rover.

        Land Rover North America is hoping that this service will attract
more new customers, as many wealthy folk are understandably wary of
venturing out into the wilds in their $60K luxury SUV's. Especially if the
purpose of the jaunt is simply to make the vehicle look more rugged. Why
go to the trouble when you can pay soemone to do it right, and you DON'T
have to cancel your hair appointment! 

        This is only the beginning. Other services and products to watch
out for in the future?  How about stick-on desert pinstripes?  Fake
windsheild pockmarks?  And for the really outrageous, expedition-weary
look- strategically placed dents and dings, guaranteed to improve the
resale value of the vehicle.  

----
Notes:	For those "trash the environment" driving techniques phone 
	1-800-FINE-4X4 to reserve a course today!

	Some restrictions apply.  The quick service is only available
	during the day.  The thorough service only after the pubs open
	and after monthly club social meetings, or events (not to worry,
	the look generated by these professionals will last for weeks.)
	The "low milage" option is provided by certified drivers who have
	taken the Canadian Heritage Land-Rover Saab-Pull towing course.

        Prices and participation may vary depending on dealer location and
        demographics.

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 15:27:54 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?

) for possible replacement of a 4spd gearbox from an 83 RR.
     
     Isn't this the one that's integral with the transfer box? Same as the 
     stage 1?
     
     Just curious.
     
     DaveB.

------------------------------

From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:32:39 -0500
Subject: Re: 96 Disco CD player

Drove by Baltimore Port last week , there were 10 XD`s waiting to go to the
dealers , drove by today and  one left :). should be able to plug in Pioneer
6disc changer if you have the plug (should be under passengers seat ).make
sure it`s the changer with the "slide out trays" not " 6disc swing-out
magazine"

                                                                        Rgds,

                                                                         Rick
    

`96 Disco

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Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 12:32:47 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: UK Rebuilt Gearbox/Trans Suppliers?

Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> ) for possible replacement of a 4spd gearbox from an 83 RR.
>      Isn't this the one that's integral with the transfer box? Same as the
>      stage 1?
> Correct

Jeremy

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:43:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco hire in UK

What is 9C50 ?  Inquiring minds want to know.
                                                             Rick

`96 Disco

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Date: Mon,  6 Jan 97 15:52:00 -0500
From: Sandeep Sardana <sardans@ll.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: 96 Disco CD player

2 years ago I tried the very same thing. With much digging I was able to
find out the exact make and model (aftermarket) of the 6 Disc cd for DISCO.
I have a 95 Disco and tried the pioneer that plugged right in.
Unfortunately, the head unit refused to cooperate. The head unit's command
set is different for all functions except power-up. Unless there's an
adapter to translate the command set, I don't think an aftermarket will work
without additional wiring etc. If anyone has a success story, pleeeeaaase POST.

Good luck

Sandeep Sardana
95 Disco
Waban, MA

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:38:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jon Landry Esq." <god@god>
Subject: Re: Warn Winch Maintenance

Hello all,

As my father works for Warn Industries, dealing with all aspects of 
product development, including prototype fabrication and tooling for the 
products themselves, I can supply you with some info. If this information 
is not all that is neeeded, feel free to reply to me personally.

   Warn Industries, Inc. 
   13270 S.E. Pheasant Court
   Milwaukie, OR , USA 97222
   Warn Consumer Line...1-503-786-4462
   International Fax...1-503-786-4426
   Now on the web http://www.warn.com

Warn Industries also offers a full line of Winches and Hoist for 
Commercial, Industrial, and Military applications. For
information, please call (USA) 1-503-786-4464

My father has worked there for more than Thirty years(30+),
so if you have an obscure question, I will give it to him.
---free of charge ;^)

Thanks and happy rovering,
Jon Landry
'69 Jeep Wagoneer V-8 350cid
Soon to be 110 owner, with a Little bit of Luck and Lots of Cash 

<-----------------------------In the last Episode----------------------->

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, 
Beckett, Ron wrote: > I (Ron originally wrote)
> >As there were no replies to my previous post about Warn winch maintenance,
> >I rang ARB who import the Warn winch.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 39 lines)]
> '71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see
> http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
> '67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: brstore@ibm.net
Date: Mon,  6 Jan 97 17:17:09 PST
Subject: 109 for Sale in Van. B.C.

G'day all,

A friend in British Columbia not on the list asked me to post this for
him.

For sale:
1979 expedition prepared S.III 109", 3.4 L. Toyota Diesel, new overdrive, 
completely rebuilt transmission, front and rear axles completely rebuilt, 
completely new expedition suspension, 1-ton frame, tropical roof, full
HD galvanized roof rack, ARB front roobar, Salisbury air locker, new
BFG Mud TA's 900X16, vehicle completely prepared for world travel.
Genuine parts used. US$15,500. Must sell.

Phone (604) 731-2980 or email:
mstefano@unixg.ubc.ca

I have not seen this vehicle in three years so make no statement as
to it's condition or value.

Brett

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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:05:35 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Re: Warn Winch Maintenance

>Unfortunately, we can't ring US 1 800 numbers.  We need a full number and AC
>to call.

You can, if you use Optus as a long-distance carrier :-).  You pay the full
fee, though, which is a pity (especially when you end up with
music-on-hold).

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:28:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew James Moore <mjm@unr.edu>
Subject: New Rover owner

	Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and I'm a new Land-Rover owner
(long time Rover fan).  I found (and bought) a 1978 SIII SWB Santana
about two months ago. I know that Santana is a Spanish company that builds
LR's under licence from LR proper and I've spent some time discovering all
the little differences.  I have a couple of questions for the more
experienced list members.
1.  I think I have one of the low compresion (7:1 ?) 2.25 Gas motors.
This vehicle probably was imported from South America so this seems
likely.  I checked the compresion and all four cylinders put out about
140psi.  According to my shop manual this fits nicely with the 7:1 engine.
The PO had the timing set at TDC so I advanced it to 6deg. BTDC (this is
what the manual suggests) and now it runs beautifully.  What else should I
know about this motor?  The serial number is different than British Land
Rovers so I can not even be certain If I have a low comp. engine.  How
else can I tell if I have one and what else should I be doing if I do have
one?

2. My second question is pretty basic.  Most of the differences I have
found seem to be cosmetic (i.e. the rear door is a little different, the
door hinges are different, etc...).  Are there any major mechanical
differences between Santanas and regular Land-Rovers?

	Thanks in advance for any advice.  This list seems to be a good
one. 
 
Matt Moore
University of Nevada, Reno
Dept. of Anthropology

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:01:45 -0800 (PST)
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Tires

Well, I took the plunge...went from 205 size tires(small) to 33 x 9.50(tall)
and had the rims blasted and powder coated.  The new tires are so tall that
at first I would have gambled they would not fit....surprise.  They look
absolutly wonderful and I`m wondering what speed differences are to be had.
The vehicle sits about 3-4 inches higher, and now to adjust the steering
stops to prevent "rub".  At the time the wheels were off I scrubbed and
cleaned the front axle and swivel balls, lots of gummy goop flaked off (now
they will leak even faster).  My neighbor had a formula to calculate the
speed difference at various speeds and said I should be able to travel 15
miles an hour faster at 55 with the new rubber.  Will the drive train suffer
more with the larger tires or am I "safe"?       John Cooper 1969 11a (SPUDLEY)

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:02:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Overdrive bearings

At 09:16 AM 1/6/97 -0400, you wrote:

 
>INA? Never heard of 'em - but it's worth making their acquaintance if I can
>save some cash.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>hell......
>               aj"Thanks for the tip - I owe you beer!"r
 
 Came accross the following in my file, the info is several years old and
can't vouch for it now but YPATYC

RTC 7186 x 2 = INA AXK 2035 Brg and LS2035 washer  x 2   in 1990 Rover price
$10 each, ina price $6
RTC 7174  = Ina AXK 3047 brg plus AS3047 washer + Ws81106 washer Rover price
$16 Ina price $8
RTC 71843=( Ina AXK3047 brg plus AS3047 washer x2) x3  Rover price $22 ea
Ina price  $3 ea= $9 total 
RTC 7185 x 2  = Ina K30 x35x17 +IR25x30x17 sleeve Rover price  ? Ina price $10
RTC 7173 oil seal  =weston  W37429551R4A9 ( 50mm x 58mm x4mm)  ( $ 2.50 ea )
( 1990 m) 
                   oil seal 75mm x 95mm x 13 mm  $4 ( in 1990 )
 Combined Rover price in the UK 1996 $30 inc tax. 

At that time the input gear was $120 plus tax, now it's $180 plus tax.

The above are UK prices, converted to USD at 1.5 per pound ( for easy
calculations )

 As I say, these scribblings are 6 years old, can't confirm the equivalents
but a little time with the catalogue and some samples will save you money.
 INA is a European Company, I think, there may be a US domestic equivalent.

 Hopethis helps to get you started.
 Regards  Bill Leacock Limey in exile

------------------------------

From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:03:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Overdrive bearings

>Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 20:23:47
>To: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>>hell......
>>               aj"Thanks for the tip - I owe you beer!"r
> Came accross the following in my file, the info is several years old and
can't vouch for it now but YPATYC
>RTC 7186 x 2 = INA AXK 2035 Brg and LS2035 washer  x 2   in 1990 Rover
>To: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
price  $10 each, ina price $6
>RTC 7174  = Ina AXK 3047 brg plus AS3047 washer + Ws81106 washer Rover
price $16 Ina price $8
>RTC 71843=( Ina AXK3047 brg plus AS3047 washer x2) x3  Rover price $22 ea
Ina price  $3 ea= $9 total 
>RTC 7185 x 2  = Ina K30 x35x17 +IR25x30x17 sleeve Rover price  ? Ina price $10
>RTC 7173 oil seal  =weston  W37429551R4A9 ( 50mm x 58mm x4mm)  ( $ 2.50 ea
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>At that time the input gear was $120 plus tax, now it's $180 plus tax.
>The above are UK prices, converted to USD at 1.5 per pound ( for easy
calculations )
> As I say, these scribblings are 6 years old, can't confirm the equivalents
>RTC 7173 oil seal  =weston  W37429551R4A9 ( 50mm x 58mm x4mm)  ( $ 2.50 ea
but a little time with the catalogue and some samples will save you money.
> INA is a European Company, I think, there may be a US domestic equivalent.
> Hopethis helps to get you started.
> Regards  Bill Leacock Limey in exile
>                   oil seal 75mm x 95mm x 13 mm  $4 ( in 1990 )
> Combined Rover price in the UK 1996 $30 inc tax. 

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:24:58 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Clutch woes

Ashley Charlwood found that the clutch doesn't after a recent rebuild.

Whenever the flywheel is out of its relatively oil-rich, protected 
environment inside the bellhousing, it will rust quickly (as in one day) and 
imperceptably, affixng the pressure plate to the flywheel.  The cure is aim 
it in a safe direction and start it in gear (4WD preferably, to spread the 
load), working the clutch pedal as it lurches along.  Move to increasingly 
higher gears, or for the truly stouthearted, chain youself to a tree.  It'll 
break free with a chilling sound *exactly* like a fracturing layshaft.

If it won't shift high/low, the bottom of the shift lever has been assembled 
wrong.  It bolts to the *front* of the bellhousing flange.  Only 1/4" 
difference between front and back, but it throws the whole shift geometry 
off.  Good Luck!

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:33:12 -0500
Subject: Hard top from Series III to a IIA

(Asking for a friend not on the net)

He has a '65 IIA and was stopped by the owner of a '72 or '73 Series III.
 The guy that owns the IIA is in search of a hard top.  The owner of the III
said he might be willing to sell his.

Will this work?  Are they compatible?

Thanks..

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From: kma367@gsilink.com
Date:          Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:59:09 +0000
Subject:       CLUTCH

I am going back to the U.S. next month for 4 weeks, and I will just 
park my 1985 SIII 88.  I heard that the clutch has a habit of getting
stuck if not use for ??  Is there a method to prevent this, or if 
stuck, how should I free it.  or is 4 weeks, short enough time, to 
not worry about the clutch.  Also I use Mobil 1 synthetic 15W / 50.
Is it true that it does not provide corrosion protection, so is 
therfore not good for stored vehicles.  Here in the Philippines, it 
is currently 70 to 85 degrees F, with occasional rain.  It is as they 
call over here, the cool dry season.  Moderate humidity.  So is this
climate easy on the stored vehicle.

Thanks
Ozzie Hernaez
1985 SIII 88 station wagon 

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:02:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Manuals and Books! (military parts)

Richard (ex Gurkha) inquired:
> The Lightweight Parts Manual: does this include the mil. and FFR specific
>  bits for the 109?
>  I have the SIII manuals for the civvie, but obviously some bits are 
> different!
A suggestion was made to try the optional parts books. I have several
optional parts books, and none include military specific parts such as 24
volt systems, or even 12v military lights, military frame, water pump, etc.

Regards,
David Cockey 

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:20:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Hard top from Series III to a IIA

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 GElam30092@aol.com wrote:

> (Asking for a friend not on the net)
> He has a '65 IIA and was stopped by the owner of a '72 or '73 Series III.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Will this work?  Are they compatible?
> Thanks..
It will work.  How much $$ is the guy with the SIII asking???  I know of
one here in Pittsburgh that is for sale  CHEAP... I don't know where you
are so the price difference might not be worth the shipping.  Just thought
you'd like to know.

Russ W.

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:27:29 -0500
Subject: LR models/toys

1) SII SWB, EKO, HO scale?, silver plastic, open body, rhd, spare on bonnet,
milk cans glued in bed, undersize wheels, no markings of model. Packaging
reads "EKO, Made in Spain, escula HO". Purchased in hobby shop for $1.59.
Checking scale reveals it is too long and wide for 88" SII in HO scale
(3.5mm/foot) but very close to 80" in OO scale (4mm/foot). Body is not deep
enough for either. Other models in range were other colors, so I suspect
color may vary. Not a particularly good model.

2) D90 SW, Lanard Supershots, 1/26 scale, plastic, yellow body with grey
roof, spare on rear door, front brush guard, side protectors, spring motor
drive rear wheels, spring motor is wound by pulling string on rear, made in
China, rudamentary leaf spring detail on bottom. Packaged in set with
Explorer, purchased at Wal-Mart, reasonable detail.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:28:23 -0500
Subject: Geez what does this mean!!??

Read this this evening:

In a message dated 97-01-06 18:08:17 EST, AOLNewsProfiles@aol.net writes:

<< BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) -- The German car manufacturer BMW will
 construct its first South American factory in Brazil, a company
 official said Monday.
       Michael Turwitt, president of BMW do Brasil, said his company
 will build a $150-million factory to produce 5,000 Land Rover jeeps
 a year, starting early next year.
       Turwitt also announced a $500-million joint venture between BMW
 and U.S. automaker Chrysler to build 400,000 engines a year in
 Brazil starting in 1999.
       Turwitt said the two companies have not yet decided where to set
 up the new engine factory. >>

Nate

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      CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- A doctors' union refused Monday to end
a 10-day strike that has closed emergency rooms across Venezuela.
      Some 22,000 doctors are demanding that the government boost
funding for hospitals that lack basic supplies such as needles,
medicine and working X-ray machines.
      They also want their monthly salaries increased to $1,000, up
from $150 to $225.
      The striking doctors represent 80 percent of the staff at 300
public hospitals and 6,000 clinics. They voted Monday to continue
the strike, which has hit emergency care the hardest.
      The government says it does not have the money to meet the
demands, and that salary increases would further fuel inflation,
which was 103 percent last year -- the highest rate in Latin
America.
      MEXICO CITY (AP) -- A small earthquake shook southern Mexico on
Monday, but there were no reports of damage.
      The National Seismological Service said the magnitude 4.3 quake
occurred Monday morning in the Tehuantepec Peninsula, an area noted
for tremors.
      The quake was centered roughly 100 miles east of the city of
Oaxaca, near the border of Oaxaca and Veracruz states.
      BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Masked gunmen killed seven people in a
town in eastern Colombia, then fled in jeeps before police arrived,
authorities said Monday.
      The attack occurred Sunday in Pore, 200 miles east of Bogota,
the capital. Assailants shot three people to death at a supermarket
and four more at a nearby shop, police said.
      Details of the attack were not immediately available. Police did
not know the motive for the killings and have made no arrests.
      Colombia has one of the world's highest murder rates and is home
to several left-wing guerrilla groups, right-wing paramilitary
death squads, and powerful drug traffickers.
      Rebels and paramilitaries have clashed throughout Colombia, and
peasants often get caught in the middle. Both armed groups kill
people they believe sympathetic to the other side.
      UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- The Security Council is expected to decide
soon whether to send 155 U.N. monitors to Guatemala to help enforce
a new peace accord.
      Guatemala's government and rebels signed a peace treaty Dec. 29,
ending three decades of civil war.
      A draft resolution obtained Monday by The Associated Press
proposed the sending of international monitors for three months.
The council is to discuss the proposal Tuesday.
      China reportedly has been holding up passage of the resolution,
because it disapproves of Guatemala's diplomatic relations with
Taiwan, which China considers a renegade province.
      Under the peace accord, an estimated 3,000 rebels still hiding
in Guatemala are to be disarmed, and the government's 43,500-man
army is to be cut by a third.
      BRASILIA, Brazil (AP) -- The German car manufacturer BMW will
construct its first South American factory in Brazil, a company
official said Monday.
      Michael Turwitt, president of BMW do Brasil, said his company
will build a $150-million factory to produce 5,000 Land Rover jeeps
a year, starting early next year.
      Turwitt also announced a $500-million joint venture between BMW
and U.S. automaker Chrysler to build 400,000 engines a year in
Brazil starting in 1999.
      Turwitt said the two companies have not yet decided where to set
up the new engine factory.
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:21:04 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: EFI problem with '89 RR
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:58:03 PST
Subject: Re: Disco hire in UK
From: rhodesia@juno.com (Chris R Whitehead)

I also wanted to know what 9C90 was as well

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:48:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Hard top from Series III to a IIA

> He has a '65 IIA and was stopped by the owner of a '72 or '73 Series III.
>   The guy that owns the IIA is in search of a hard top.  The owner of the
III
>  said he might be willing to sell his.
>  Will this work?  Are they compatible?

Completely

David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:32:05 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: EFI problem with '89 RR

>I am having a problem on my '89 RR, maybe someone out there has seen
>this problem before.  The EFI light is on, and on most stops the idle goes
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>it dies.  Any hints?  I already took it to the dealer when the check engine
>light came on, but they found nothing else wrong.
 help,
>Edgar Bonilla
>this problem before.  The EFI light is on, and on most stops the idle goes

Edgar,

        If the dealer did their job correctly, they should have pulled a
fault code out of the HHT (the EFI tester) indicating a specific fault and
corrected it. It's cut and dried most of the time.
        Based on your symptoms alone, however, I would start by looking at
a blocked PVC system/base idle problem. The 3.9 uses a fixed orfice PCV in
a "T" on the hose from the crankcase breather filter (Left valve cover) to
the plenem. The samll leg of the T has a little brass jet that gets clogged
and causes idle problems and can kick the light on. The breather and hoses
can also get clogged with goo but take care cleaning them with carb
cleaner, that plastic T gets brittle with age.
        Setting the base idle on an '89 is a bit involved and you need a
couple of tools. Get back on the list and let us know if you have a
tachometer and a set of Allen wrenches and I can detail how to set the base
idle.
        You could also have a massive vacuum leak from a split or broken
hose. Is your heater also acting up (stuck on defrost?. Also, are there any
other symptoms, such as extremely poor fuel economy, black smoke from the
tailpipe, surging, lack of power or whatever? Let us know and we'll take
another stab at it.

        Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:54:49 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Hard top from Series III to a IIA

>(Asking for a friend not on the net)
>He has a '65 IIA and was stopped by the owner of a '72 or '73 Series III.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Will this work?  Are they compatible?
>Thanks..

As long as both vehicles are the same wheel base.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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From: Christian Kuhtz <ckuhtz@paranet.com>
Date: Mon,  6 Jan 97 23:47:42 -0700
Subject: importing LR (from CA to US)

Hello everybody:

Who has done this before or knows enough about it to talk to me?

I'm interested in procedures, gotchas, fees.. in other words time and money
involved ;-) and anything else worthwhile sharing.  So, how does it work?

Also, after the import come fun things like insurance and registration...
all types of comments highly appreciated!  Especially regarding Colorado's  
regulations..

I will summarize if I get enough information that makes it worthwhile posting  
it back to the list (which I sincerely hope will be the case).

Thank you very much in advance!

Best regards,
Chris

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: stir-crazy on the tundra...
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:06:00 -0700 (MST)

Hey, Dixon!

Permission to use that wonderful "AP" piece?  I'm about to go to press, 
so it won't be for this time...

Got your Christmas number today.  Pretty impressive!!  McD's Snow Jobs is 
one the best laughs ever!

Todd

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: oops:  stirring tundra in Denver
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:25:08 -0700 (MST)

Appo-loogies for the private message that went to the list.

For the curious eavesdroppers who wonder what that was about:  Dixon 
Kenner's OVLR newsletter has gone to colour graphics -- very nice!

To make up for my gaffe, here's what you're all missing in the Solihull 
Society newsletter:

7 The Stone of Scone has become a part of Land Rover history.  According 
to legend this most controversial little lump of rock is the Biblical 
Jacobs Pillow, which in the dark mists of British pre-history made its 
way to Ireland and then to Scotland.  Scottish kings were crowned upon it 
until 1296 when Edward I (nemesis of William Braveheart Wallace) 
absconded --so to speak -- with it to London, where it has ever since 
been ensconced -- as it were -- in the coronation chair at Westminster 
Abbey.  Seven hundred years after its theft, the government of John Major 
returned to Stone to Scotland.  On 15 November, Coldstream Guards, 
transporting the stone in a Defender 90, handed it over to The Kings Own 
Scottish Borderers at Coldstream Ford on the border.  Although the stone 
was kept out of view, a large crowd had assembled for the occasion, 
prompting Scottish Secretary Michael Forsyth to remark, "I was struck by 
the sheer numbers of people [who] waited for so long to see the Land 
Rover."  Responded an observer, "Somebody should tell Mr Forsyth that the 
people were there to see the Stone; they already know what a Land Rover 
looks like! " The stone then entered Edinburgh Castle on 30 November in an 
open royal review Land Rover, escorted by the Sovereigns Bodyguard for 
Scotland (photo on back cover).  (Some say it is not the real stone; it 
was stolen in 1951 and the one that was recovered might be a fake.)

You can see photos of the nice Rover at 
http://www.nsl.co.uk/scotpast/stone.htm

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: I see, you see, UAZ??
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:38:06 +0100 (MET)

Dave Bobeck writes:
|      I saw somethnig reaaly cool on the way to work today, I believe it to 
|      be a Russian 4x4, similar to a LR in size, looks like a cross between 
|      a Rover and a LandC****er...I think its called a UAZ?

|      Anybody know anything about these trucks?
|      When were they made?
Russia.
The UAZ is made for the Russian army. There are quite a few for sale in
German 4x4 mags. Most of them are from the former east Germany army.
I never had the chance to drive one, but what I heared about them is:
'Cheap but Russian quality (if there is such)'.
Another problem is getting spares...

|      Are there any of these in the US besides this one?
I'd doubt this, just from what I remember about US car import laws.

Cheers,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: I see, you see, UAZ??
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:58:55 -0700 (MST)

UAZs in the US?

I think there was a story in Time mag about 2 years ago expecting a Red 
invasion of surplus UAZs.  I have yet to see one.

There's some nice action footage of them in the last Bond movie.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:23:10 +0100
Subject:       Re: I see, you see, UAZ??

Well, I spend last week in Poland and saw hundreds of UAZ's then. (a 
lot more common than Land Rovers, just spotted 2 D110's driven by 
the border patrol) According to the locals an old drivable one would 
cost aprox. 1000 US$. So if anyone is interested I can use my 
contacts to buy a few and send them over to the states (might even 
be older than 25 years)

Regards,

Huub

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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:53:31 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Manuals and Books!

Anyway, I find the righthand side one useful - this is fine. The left
>one (opposite side to driver's side, next to useless), but I might as well have
>one which isn't in imminent danger of popping off, and it looks silly without
>it!
I use the N/S door mirror for watching for suicidal cyclists creeping
up the inside.Also,if you ever do any towing,particularly horseboxes
which have a wider track than the Rover,the mirror is invaluable for
ensuring that the trailer wheels arent in the gutter.Mine is adjusted
so I can see the rear lamp "basket",and the lower half of the N/S rear
corner.Helps when shunting round car parks in reverse,too.
>Another mirror problem, is the rear-view mirror which vibrates like nobody's
>business - even with some lumps of lead strapped to it!
Welcome to the club!I use the O/S door mirror instead...
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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