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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:47:07 -500
Subject: Comments Invited & "Car Talk"

Roverites,
I took a quick look at the '65 109 IIA pickup (originally an 88 diesel
with full metal top) this weekend.  As I mentioned, it has a Mercedes 
diesel.  And it has a few thin areas in the rear cross piece, frame 
appears healthy elsewhere.  The bulkhead is sound and bondo is 
limited to a couple of thin skim spots.  I appreciate  all of your 
comments, a number which have suggested plumbing in a different
engine. After a closer look, I must agree.  This is a tired diesel,
fortunately no cutting was done to fit it in.  I am told the frame was
for a diesel, but I gather all frames offer the same engine mounts as
the petrol/diesel blocks are the same.  Please correct me if this is not
so.  I am seeking comments on which engine to go for.  I know this is
skirting the nonoriginal edge but this 109 is already bastarded.  Can
anyone else recommend the Toyota 2.2 litre petrol unit?  I am also
interested in the 3.9 Nissan diesel, as mentioned in the recent posting.
I would go for the factory diesel but I have been told they are hard to
find parts for. 
 
BTW, now that a deal is heating up with this 109, I will need a set 
of pedals and rear handles.  Does anyone have a set they will sell
me?  If so, please reply to me directly.

I was driving this last Saturday AM, with the LR on my mind, staging
the battle to justify its purchase.  I turn on "CarTalk" and like a
message from the Gods, a woman calls in for an explanation of why
her husband yearns for a '64 107 Land-Rover.  Their answer: blame
Marlin Perkins and "Wild Kingdom".  For me it was "The Gods Must Be
Crazy".  How can you not like that vehicle?  Too long already.  M  

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:44:11 -0500
From: "Brian Cramer" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: In search of Jeff Meyer

Hello All,

Is Jeff Meyer on the list? If not, does anyone know how to contact him?

Jeff, if you're out there, I think you can supply some information I am
desperate to obtain. Please contact me.

Thanks,
Brian Cramer

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 09:14:05 -0500
Subject: Re: External sun visors

>>>Sandy needs orders to produce>>

>>If he ever decides to reproduce them again, I've got about 3 other
>>Oregonian Rover owners who would LOVE to get their hands on one.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>withstand the footfalls of the neighborhood urchins who view a Eover with a 
>roof rack as playground equipment.  Cost is $75 to club members (at least it

>was the last time I had 'em made - it may have gone up) $85 to non-members.
 
>Shipping is $15 close by, $22-24 to the left coast.  Cheers
>      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
>      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
>      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
>withstand the footfalls of the neighborhood urchins who view a Eover with a 

     I have one of these ROAV Sunvisors...Not only do they look great, but,
their quality is first rate and will withstand heavy abuse.   Those that
decide to order one of these will not be disappointed.  
Rgds
Steve Bradke       72 S lll 88 ( for sale )
                          68 S lla 88
                          96 Discovery 

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From: "Johan Balijon" <balijon@iwwn.com.na>
Subject: engine type?
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:14:31 +0200

Engine type?
I have a 1982 109 S3, assembled in South Africa. I'm puzzled about the
engine. It's 6 cyl. line unit, with all British parts attached (Twin SU HS
6, Lucas electrics, etc.). It features an overhead cam, but looks different
to me from the (Triumph designed) Rover SD1, 2,3 and 2,6 liter units (If
I'm correct these are cross flow (inlet on side exhaust on the other),
where as this one has both manifolds on one side). Can anybody tell me
engine this is? The car itself looks to be based on the S3 phase 1, with a
radiator grille that is flush with the front wings (90 and 110 style).

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 96 09:38:32 EST
From: rscholl@lib.com
Subject: Kodiak heater - brings up another question

     Hi all -
     
     Before I ask my question I would like to wish you all a happy holiday 
     & prosperous new year -
     
     After seeing a question on rerouting heater intake I got to thinking 
     (dangerous in and of itself), have I heard the Kodiaks to be much 
     better than the Smiths?  I have a Smiths in an 88" and never get heat. 
     More important than heat, I just want to see out of a small portal of 
     the windshield.  Can a Smiths easily be replaced by a Kodiak, is it 
     worth while, and where might I find such an upgrade?
     
     Thanks in advance for all your advice.
     
                                                Ray
     
     rscholl@lib.com
     Ray Scholl, Acton, MA
     1970 88" SIIa SW, dd
     1960 88" SII 90 % restored, to be sold
     ...

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:20:15 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: Comments Invited & "Car Talk"

>I was driving this last Saturday AM, with the LR on my mind, staging
>the battle to justify its purchase.  I turn on "CarTalk" and like a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Marlin Perkins and "Wild Kingdom".  For me it was "The Gods Must Be
>Crazy".  How can you not like that vehicle?  Too long already.  M

He's going to have a hard time finding a 107 made in 1964.  I think the
last 107 was made in '56 or so wasn't it?  Maybe East Coast Rovers could
help :~)

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:48:10 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: CD Radio

>What sort/size/length of antenna is recommended? where is the best
>mounting place in relation to SWR characteristics of the 109?
>--
>Adrian Redmond

Adrian,
        I use a 5ft stainless steel whip with a base load. This means that
the antenna is 5ft long and has a coil at the base to allow the antenna to
be shorter than 106 or 108 in. (I forget which).  This is the 1/4 wave
length that the CB frequencies use.  You can mount it about anywhere but on
the roof in the center will give the best reception and transmission range
as it needs metal to reflect the signal from.  I have mine mounted along
the NAS 90 rollcage that runs along the top of the wind screen and haven't
had any problems with that position.  On my sII 109,  I had a 102 inch whip
and the 4 or 6in spring mounted to the grab handles on the rear frame
member.  I don't think that this is the best position for the antenna, but,
to be honest, I don't remember having any trouble hearing or being heard.
With the 102 in whip, the SWR does not need to be set at this is the 1/4
wave length of the CB frequencies.  Also, the antenna will need to be
grounded to bare metal to work.  If you drill through the body to mount it,
you're covered, but if you use a gutter mount (or any other removeable
mount) you need to make sure there is at least some metal to metal contact
on the mount to the body.  There are some shorter fiberglass antennas (some
as short as 2 ft.) which work pretty good, but may not take the off road
knocks from tree branches, etc.  The stainless steel whip will just
bentover and straighten back up.  I also mounted a spring to the base of
mine, which helps.  Best of luck and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
Steve

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society
D90 SW

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 07:54:50 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Heater improvement IIA and III

At  7:08 PM 12/22/96 -0800, David Place wrote:
;
>After all the talk about the Kodiak heater, I went to look at mine.  Has
>anyone tried just turning the fan motor 180degrees onto it's side so the
;intake point to the footwell and plumbing it in.  I was just out looking
>at mine and it looks like it might just work.  It sure would beat trying
>to heat the cold outside air.  Dave Ve4PN
;
I've been going over this on the west coast list, I think, hopefully it
wasn't on the Triumph list.  Sometimes I forget where I am. Anyway

I currently have the front clip of my 109 off being painted while I'm
getting the head rebuilt, replacing the alternator, horn and making a
custom front wiring harness.

I couldn't help but notice that if I shortened the steel tube in the input
to the heater I could bend the flex hose ninty degrees and have the intake
sitting on the upper diagonal flat of the passanger foot well.  This would
be a very easy conversion.  My heater output goes into a right angle duct
that aims at the driver's feet. so the intake would be at the oposite side
as the output.

I asked if anyone could think of any problems.  What came back was
humidity.  Since cold air can carry less water that warm air, even if its
raining  outside, heated outside air would put "dry" air on the windscreen
from the demister.

Assuming the main sources of moisture inside the car are resperation, wet
clothes & leaks, the hot interor air will probably go to one hundred
percent humidity.  as demister air passes over a cold widscreen, the inside
of the windscren would get fogged from the demister.

What's needed seems to be a 'T' with a flap on the two input openings
allowing you to recycle air whan the humidity is low and to use outside air
when the humidity is high.

If anyone want to work on this problem, think 4-1/2 inch dia tubing in the
fan side, and enough space to put a PVC 4 inch 'T'.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:00:27 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust shielding (was Re: Gearbox pic)

John Putnam wrote:
snip
> An alternative to the wrap is to have the pipe coated with ceramic.

This happens naturally after driving through deeper mud with hot pipes. :)

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:26:15 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Next LRO Project Car

Dear all, in a recent heated discussion about doing all sorts of things to 
an original Land-Rover, a lot of people were against it and somebody 
mentioned that LROi was wrong in their next project, which meant butchering 
a good IIA. Now LROi has printed a letter about the unsuitability of their 
next project car, Martin Hodder's late IIA (page 27/Jan 97). The letter 
suggests that they should take a basket case and make that into a trialler, 
not a sound and comparatively rare specimen. I think the same, so I will 
drop them a line. Their email address is

lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk

Since they are inviting comments, why don`t we all go ahead?

I hope everybody has a good Christmas and that 1997 will be a good year for 
all of us.

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:26:22 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: VIN plates

Nate wrote:

>Hi all,

>I have a bodged up VIN number plate (bent up with screw holes broken off and
>writing scraped up) but still with the VIN clearly visible.  Actually, it
>looks like the PO removed it once with a pry bar.  Is it possible to get a
:replacement Land Rover plate or would I be stuck with 1) making do with what
>I have or 2) having a new plate stamped but forget about a Land Rover plate?
>Thanks in advance

The Series One Club shop sells VIN number plates for all sorts of SI's, 
maybe they can help you with the later models. You have to tell them the 
chassis number, and they stamp the plate for you. The "Late SI (Also Series 
II)" plate costs gbp 7,50, which would be in the neighbourhood of 12 USD, 
plus postage. Write to

Graham Powney
15 Woodcroft Road
St. Annes
Bristol BS4 4QW

They just take cheques or money orders, though, no credit card payments.
All the best

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 08:43:18 -0700
From: john hess <jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: ROAV sun visor

..........
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Sandy Grice and visor
..............

I hereby repeat my hearty endorsment of the ROAV sun visor.  It is the way
things should be!  It is well built and well thought out.  The mounting
holes are slots, which makes alignment simple.  It is heavy duty (heavier
than stock) and it is very nice to look at;  I don't anticiate painting
mine.

For a taller person the only drawback would be (could be?) traffic lights.
I'm 5' 9" and can see most lights.  On a rare occasion, being very close to
an overhead light I have to lean forward and look up.

Thanks yet again to sandy and robert davis,

happy holidays to all on the list,

jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
from home via modem
Land-
  -Rover and Mazda owner!  sniff, sniff, bye lovely Tiger.
dormobile page:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 11:54:34 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Comments Invited & "Car Talk"

What happened to the pedals? Or do you simply need the rubber pads?

There is no way to justify the purchase. With Rovers, you merely succumb. 
It's an instinct thing.
Get out the checkbook and the tools, in that order.

Don't fret. There is an engine for it out there somewhere. A ROVER 
engine. You will feel much better about the truck if it has the right 
engine.
Try to find a Rover diesel. Fitting one has already been brained out.
We are here to help you.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel SW:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:15:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Heater improvement IIA and III

TeriAnn,

If you want to nose about in a junkyard a bit, I am sure such a beast will
come to hand (I.e.: flap valve for the heater).

Many autos use a similar device, even if not perhaps the exact same size. A
bit of ingenuity would get you on-line on that in short order with a valve
that works from a cable pull like the Kodiak's air valve.

                    ajr

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:34:26 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Jeff Meyer

Dear List,
        Jeff Meyer can be reached at 718.229.3053
        130 Hollywood Ave.
        Douglaston, NY  11363

        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:40:38 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Defender 90 1997

I just saw a 1997 Defender.I think I fell in Love and now want one. 
Does anyone have any experience with them and have there been any 
published reports regarding the new Defenders? Any info will be 
greatly appreciated.
Benjamin

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 96 14:05:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 1997

I just saw a 1997 Defender.I think I fell in Love and now want one. 
Does anyone have any experience with them and have there been any 
published reports regarding the new Defenders? Any info will be 
greatly appreciated.
Benjamin

          The new issue of FOUR-WHEELER magazine has a brief
          article.  For a magazine that spends so much time
          printing stuff about heavily modified
          "macho-mobiles", they take real easily to the bone
          stock D90. They have nothing but praise for its
          ample power, comfort, cupholders, massive engine
          braking, ground clearance, etc...I'd say sign up
          now, before they go up in price...base price was
          34K according to the article.

  later...
          Dave B.

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:47:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Heater improvement IIA and III

On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> What's needed seems to be a 'T' with a flap on the two input openings
> allowing you to recycle air whan the humidity is low and to use outside air
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> If anyone want to work on this problem, think 4-1/2 inch dia tubing in the
> fan side, and enough space to put a PVC 4 inch 'T'.
 TeriAnn could a "t" with a flap like they use to vent
dryers work -- you can get one with a flap and a sock-like
filter.  the idea is that in the winter you keep the heat
in the house and in the summer, discharge it outside.  you
might be able to rig up a cable to the flap-control...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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From: Land_Rovers@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 15:46:51 -0500
Subject: Re: NAS Defender web page

jon@worldbenders.com,Internet writes:
>Where is it, please?

http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros

The home of the NAS Defender Registry...  There's also a straight list
of numbers available on the RoverWeb.

-- 
Sean P. Murphy    - Project Director - (404)/727-2398 Voice
Emory University  - ITD/LearnLink    - (404)/727-2282 FAX

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:57:10 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Next LROi Project Car

Dear all, in a recent heated discussion about doing all sorts of things to 
an original Land-Rover, a lot of people were against it and somebody 
mentioned that LROi was wrong in their next project, which meant butchering 
a good IIA. Now LROi has printed a letter about the unsuitability of their 
next project car, Martin Hodder's late IIA (page 27/Jan 97). The letter 
suggests that they should take a basket case and make that into a trialler, 
not a sound and comparatively rare specimen. I think the same, so I will 
drop them a line. Their email address is

lro@maxcom.demon.co.uk

Since they are inviting comments, why don`t we all go ahead?

I hope everybody has a good Christmas and that 1997 will be a good year for 
all of us.

Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:10:53 -0500
Subject: LR 50 Years

To all,

Over the weekend, I came across the Grace and Rothschild Advertising tape of
"Land Rover - 50 Years"  Is a 30 second advert for Land Rover showing various
Series and Discoveries.  Has the tracked "Forestry" version and a
Lightweight.

If you are interested in copies, contact me direct.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:21:46 -0500
Subject: More Nakednes in LRW!!!

Shock ! Horror !.
LRW Feb. edition landed on my doormat today and guess what, naked bums this
time. Yes on page 11 there are three bare hairy arses. 

Let this be a warning to all the faint hearted. Dont buy it, and stockists
dont let it reach your shelves.

Mike Rogers
( Lightweight / Range-Rover Hybrid ) Always driven fully attired.

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:31:06 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re:Brake vaccuum pump

Hi, just replaced my servo pump on the 88" today (with another used
unit) took the old pump home from the workshop, dismantled it, and
discovered that the membrane is puncured.

Anyone (probably from Europe?) know where I can order a new membrane for
a pump manufactured by A.Pierburg KG-Neuss Germany we are talking about
a circular rubber diaphragm. about 100 mm in total diameter, with eight
4mm holes around the edge for mounting, a moulded diapragm bellows
around the centre - rubber is translucent plastic actually - about 2mm
thick.

Can anyone offer help here?
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:38:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminium Workhorse

I understand from friends that not only is the new Aluminum Workhorse
(publication of the Land Rover Owners'  Association, N.A.) out there but it
is very nice.  I'm hurt - because I didn't get one.  If the Editor or
Membership Chairman is on the list, would you please send me one, or tell me
if it's time to resubscribe.  I had assumed after getting only an issue or
two last year that my membership was in suspended animation.  Happy Holidays
to all.
Erik van Dyck
2212 Colonial Oak Way
Stone Mountain, GA  30087
Member #1483
'73 Series III  88"

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 14:17:29 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminium Workhorse

At 04:38 PM 12/23/96 -0500, EvanD103@aol.com wrote:
:I understand from friends that not only is the new Aluminum Workhorse
:(publication of the Land Rover Owners'  Association, N.A.) out there but it
:is very nice.  I'm hurt - because I didn't get one.  If the Editor or
:Membership Chairman is on the list, would you please send me one, or tell me
:if it's time to resubscribe.  I had assumed after getting only an issue or
:two last year that my membership was in suspended animation.  Happy Holidays
:to all.
:Erik van Dyck
...
:Member #1483
:'73 Series III  88"

 Erik,

 Your assumption is correct.  You are still on the list and hopefully
 will receive your AW copy any day now.  It was unfortunate that we
 mailed them Bulk Mail on December 6th from the SF Bay Area and had
 them caught in the holiday jumble.  In any event,...

 Happy Holidays!

-Michael Carradine
 VP, LROA

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:16:51 -0500
Subject: Holiday Wishes

>From the Smith Family - 
 
Please accept our best holiday wishes during this festive season.  May your
New Year be better than that just past.  

Larry, Lynne and William Smith
and Grover the '72 SWB Petrol and Winston the '96 Discovery SD
Chester, VA

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From: wleacock@pipeline.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:24:32 GMT
Subject: Vin

Nate writes
 .  Is it possible to get a
replacement Land Rover plate or would I be stuck with 1) making do with what
I have or 2) having a new plate stamped but forget about a Land Rover plate?
Thanks in advance
 
 John craddock lists vin plates in his adverts, around 12 bucks or so from
memory

Regards Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:27:55 -0500
Subject: Re: LRs on Car Talk

I am never surprised at Tom and Ray's ability to show their ignorance. Today
was no exception. They *must* be to auto repair what Tim Taylor is to tools.
I wonder if there is any way to find out who the fellow is, who is soon to
join our fraternity? She called from Wareham, MA. At least the tappet bros
told her to let him have his Rover.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
KF4NAS
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:59:50 -0500
From: RANDY BRACK <ginger@accucomm.net>
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO GET OFF THE E MAIL LIST I CANT UNDERSTAND THE 
UNSUBSCRIBE METHOD.PLEASE TELL ME IN SIMPLE TERMS.

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:27:47 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Yuletide greetings to all a'rovering

Hi folks!

Just ready in time for Xmas - the 109 from 1976 which was a pick-up
until Friday evening is now the proud owner of a brand new original
hardtop with windows. I found it stored in my mechanics loft, where it
has been on-stock for over a decade. New rubber mats, new rear door,
installed CB radio (no antenna yet!) and a quick tune up and I'm driving
a new car!

the 88 had a big transplant job today - old vaccuum pump gave up, new
one fitted, now she brakes again! A few weeks of sluggish, inconsistent
and punctuated driving is now behind me, thanks to a new return spring
on the gas cable at the distributor pump, and the arm on the gas valve
has been bolted tight once again so that depressing the pedal actually
increases motor speed to normal. That is also like driving a new car -
and it's not even Christmas yet!

I've only been on this list for six months, but this little fragmented
community, bound together by a common joy of motoring in a very special
way, has already become a small but important (and often time-consuming)
part of my life - in some ways you are just a crowd of strangers who
happen to own the same car as I do, in other ways, I feel I know you
all! 
At this Christmas time, I just want to say thanks to you all for your
words of wisdom, your sage advice, your insatiable humour, and above all
your company!

This is certainly the best club I have ever been a member of, no rules,
no committees, no subscriptions, and yet, a fellowship more lasting than
many organized clubs. We all owe our thanks to Bill and the Major (I
have never worked out whether he/they are one and the same) for his time
and his harddisk in keeping us together.

I have driven Land Rovers for 15 years, (same two vehicles) yet I have
learnt more about my cars, and my ability to make them work, in the last
six months than ever before. It just proves that whilst it's fun
learning by our own mistakes, it's more fun learning by the mistakes of
others!

We are a varied crowd, from different nations and with many differing
views, however there seem to be many subjects of both LR and non-LR
nature on which we broadly agree. Our cars seem to symbolise an inate
and common desire to manage on our own, to share our wisdom and the
experience of our stupidity, and to live a pioneering sort of life where
the journey is at least as important as the destination. For some reason
we have all chosen to get from A to B by the most circuitous route, with
many planned and unplanned stops along the way.

So, enough of this philosophical drivel! I just want to thank you all
for making my hard-disk a better place to be, and I extend a special
Yuletide greeting to my Danish LRO collegues.

If any of you find yourself in my part of the world, my kitchen and my
workshop are yours! (English beer subject to availability)

Have a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:24:01 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Aluminium Workhorse

Michael Carradine wrote:
> At 04:38 PM 12/23/96 -0500, EvanD103@aol.com wrote:
> :I understand from friends that not only is the new Aluminum Workhorse
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> -Michael Carradine
>  VP, LROAHi Mike.  Maybe you could check me as well.  I was a steadfast member but 
dropped it when the mag. didn't materialize for some years.  Dave Place 
VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:09:30 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Heater

Greg Moore wrote:
> David Place wrote:
> > Has anyone got a template of an engine adaptor for a Chev V6 to the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> I've got one I could measure. Let me know what dimensions you need.
> Cheers, GregI don't really know.  I thought that just a paper trace would do the 
trick.  My son has suggested we use 1/2 inch aluminum and run it on the 
mill to the correct profile and drill and tap holes.  How is your made. 
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:54:06 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Heater

David Place wrote:

> > I've got one I could measure. Let me know what dimensions you need.
> > Cheers, GregI don't really know.  I thought that just a paper trace would do the
> trick.  My son has suggested we use 1/2 inch aluminum and run it on the
> mill to the correct profile and drill and tap holes.  How is your made.

I should mention that this adaptor would fit engine blocks sharing the 
bellhousing bolt pattern of the Chev V8 - 4.3l V6, 250 & 292 ci I6 etc. 
I'm not sure - anyone else? - if the smaller V6's (3.1 etc) share this 
bolt pattern.

The adaptor I've got is aluminum but it's 2 9/32" thick not half inch. 
This is important in distancing the trans correctly from the engine 
(input shaft to pilot bush and clutch are both affected by adaptor 
thickness). Otherwise it's a simple affair.

Let me know if you still want the tracing.

Cheers, Greg
gmoore@island.net

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Year End
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:33:30 -0500

On behalf of the BSROA and LROs the WORLD over, I wish all of you the Happiest of Holidays for 1996.

May you all stay in good health and prosper during 1997.

May your Land Rover serve you well for another year. More or less reliably. 

May the digest continue to serve our common interest even better!

May whatever your goals are come true! Work hard. They will. Play even harder. Life's too short.

Love your Landy. Its the only car I have ever known that comes with a soul. It will always take care of you.

A double dose of empathy and compassion all `round the house will stand you well for what's ahead, doncha think?

Look forward to seeing lotsa you in 1997.

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:33:42 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Visors

David writes:

>is it possible to get a pattern for a visor?

Well, as this is a club "asset", I'm afraid I can't part with it.  The metal 
shop where I have the work done has the design on disc and the cutting is 
done with a plasma torch.  Unless you sheet metal brake is a *real big* one, 
it probably couldn't make the bends...and these are smooth radius bends, not 
the crease you get with a brake.

For traffic lights...it does interfere if you creep up on 'em.  The benefits 
are more than outweighed by this annoyance.

Merry Christmas to all those on the list.  May you Rover get the oil change 
it's been hoping for.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:00:04 -0700
From: Rover2a <rover2a@xmission.com>
Subject: joy

This is the time of year in the USA that we wish peace to all and I
offer the same to all of you. 

   enjoy the last few days of 1996, and a better 97 

    Rover on dudes and dude-ets

rover2a@xmission.com

Gar Hendry
Salt Lake City, Utah USA

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:28:08 -0600
From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Subject: Last minute xmas shopping LR's at venture

Hi All,
 As I was doing some last minute Xmas shopping at venture I found some
original match box collection Land rovers for 1.99.  They look like 80
or maybe 88 with no top & a little guy in it.
 I just thought you all would like to know.

Regards,
  Rob Davis_chicago

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:24:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminium Workhorse

In a message dated 96-12-23 20:18:46 EST, you write:

>Michael Carradine wrote:
>> At 04:38 PM 12/23/96 -0500, EvanD103@aol.com wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>dropped it when the mag. didn't materialize for some years.  Dave Place 
>VE4PN

I will be surprised if it ever arrives.....here we go again
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:43:43 -0800
From: Norman Neiderer <neiderer@mars.ark.com>
Subject: test

test
-- 
Norman Neiderer
1595 Comox Avenue
Comox B.C., V9M 2M6, Canada
Tel/Fax: (604)339-2130

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:54:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Going to leaf a coiler!

I'm currently off the realtime list but try to get my digests every third day
or so while traveling in the Philippines.

I get to drive the only LR "X-trem" (or whatever it is the french call their
D90 convertible) in this country; mainly because it is my mom's.

>From Dixon:
<<  > 93  110  Yeah, I know it has coils but I'm trying to change that so
y'all will let me stay on the list. The things we do to stay on a list...<

Ohhh!  Going to leaf a coiler!  This should be interesting... :-)  >>

I changed my mind about putting leaf springs on it after I had trouble
finding a NADA frame with the correct outriggers to support the Dormo urinal
I got for christmas...

pat
93  110

p.s. ...trying to fit four mother-in-laws between axles and chassis so I will
be eligible for the RRO list. (Air-bag suspension!)

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:07:42 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: engine type?

Johan Balijon wrote:
> Engine type?
> I have a 1982 109 S3, assembled in South Africa. I'm puzzled about the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> engine this is? The car itself looks to be based on the S3 phase 1, with a
> radiator grille that is flush with the front wings (90 and 110 style).

Johan,

If I'm correct, this model was known as the "R6", it was a typical SA
Leyland development (bits and pieces scrounged from all over). The
engine itself was an intresting original development (there's a first)
designed to replace the old 2.6 roll-over sidevalve. The engine was
apparently based on a 4 cylinder block that was of Australian (?)
origin. It had the advantage of being lighter, stronger an less thirsty
than its predecessor.

Sorry thats all I can remember offhand, hope someone else on the list
can correct/embelish.

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 23:48:29 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum Workhorse

At 07:24 PM 12/23/96 -0800, David Place wrote:
:> At 04:38 PM 12/23/96, Erik van Dyck <EvanD103@aol.com> wrote:
:> :I understand from friends that not only is the new Aluminum Workhorse
:> :(publication of the Land Rover Owners'  Association, N.A.) out there but it
:> :is very nice.  I'm hurt - because I didn't get one.  If the Editor or
:> :Membership Chairman is on the list, would you please send me one, or tell me
:> :if it's time to resubscribe....
:
:Hi Mike.  Maybe you could check me as well.  I was a steadfast member but 
:dropped it when the mag. didn't materialize for some years.  Dave Place 
:VE4PN

 Hi Dave,

 Your membership expired 11/94, however about a week ago we mailed you a
 Fall '96 issue of the Aluminum Workhorse in hopes that you may reinstate
 your membership.  Our records indicate the following postal address...

 Member 936
 David & Wilene Place
 219 Colcleugh Ave.
 Selkirk, Manitoba
 R1A 0A4 Canada
 69-88 has had 8 LR's

 Happy Holidays!

-Michael Carradine
 VP, LROA

 

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From: C.J.Short@ste0418.wins.icl.co.uk
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:59:52 +0000
Subject: RE(2): Heater improvement IIA and III

         In response to all this mail of heater improvements it reminds me 
         of an article in the LRO many months ago, where they increased the 
         heat output from the heater by adding a second heater matrix from 
         a Mini (approx the same size). The procedure appeared to be fairly 
         straight forward and no drilling/cutting of the vehicle was 
         required to install it. I`m sure when I get home I`ll be able to 
         find the issue it was published in if anyone is interested. 
           It certainly appears that this option will be preferable to 
         cutting a hole in the floor to add extra heat which will only be 
         of any use when the vehicle is fairly dry (Summer). Something to 
         think about perhaps. Anyway to all fellow LR owners out there, 
         where ever you maybe. Have a Merry Christmas and very Happy New 
         Year.
         
                        Chris & Winifred (SIII swb) 
              
         
                        

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