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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:35:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Some diesel answers (was:Some questions)

One old one with slop in teh governer, you can pump the throttle and 
overrule the governer and go Very Fast..........

>this is NOT recommended (I have tried this by accident when max revs

.......temporarily.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:35:56 +0000
Subject:  Re: Some questions

>from throwing con rods all over the M5. These things have two
>throttle positions: idling and floored.

Maybe trhis is why I get 30mpg+ from my 2.5N/A? Cos I drive so that 
I'm just below the point where smoke startst to come out of the 
exhaust (with a little practice you can hear a change of engine note 
at this point so theres o need to keep the eyes glued to the 
mirrors). Above this throttle position you get almost no extra 
oooomph, but lots of extra smoke, lots of eextra caarbon in your 
pistons and lots of extra fule going out the exhaust.......

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:35:56 +0000
Subject: Some diesel answers (was:Some questions)

>the governor will allow. It takes getting used to the sound and
>"feel", but the Land Rover diesel engine really is designed to
>reliably go that fast. It has very little spare power at that speed,

I was under the impression that their lives were a bit curtailed if 
run habitually over about 3500rpm.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:35:56 +0000
Subject: Some questions

>>The problem is this, I can only get to ~55 mph(according to the

> Stuart, from what I see above I'd be tempted to think that your
> speedometer is calibrated for 15 inch tyres.
> If it's what I think it is, then you were about 5-10MPH off and
> actually doing 65 - no small wonder it was revving!

Mabe not. They seem to be very sensitive to tyres. On the original 
6.50x16 Avon X-plies my 90 2.5n/a would get to 85mph on a good day - just 
once - I didnt think it kind........And the Avons wear out like 
theres no tomorrow :(

On the 206R16 radials I have now it is pushes to get much over 65!!!!! 
And teh warden of the local nature reserve on his 7.50 radials cant 
get above 55, and his is a 2.5 petrol!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:02:04 -0800
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: D90 Alum-Top

Is it impossible it install an aluminum hard top on a soft top D90?

I'm thinking a seasonal change, Alum in the winter, soft in the summer.

The Fiberglass tops can't compete with the Alum.  And yes I realize this 
will be a pain in the butt to install.  I realize that drilling & tapping 
will have to be done, and the foam around the roll bars will have to be 
shaved down/removed.  And is the top removable?  Because once its 
installed, it should only take an afternoon to remove and/or reinstall.

Thanks in advance.

Matthew Martin

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:13:42 -0500
Subject: 109 For Sale

To all,

Posted for an E-Mail impaired friend:

Series IIA 109 five door with tropical top.  Has had a frame over using a
Range Rover frame, 3.5 liter V8, and running gear.  Recent paint and
interior.  SIMBAR wraparound in front.  $15,000  Phone (804) 530-2562.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:12:08 +0200
From: nahari ofir <ofir_n@parker.inter.net.il>
Subject: Re: (Still) looking for series I gear part number

At 11:57 AM 11/21/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>B transfer box.
>And then of course, I need four of the gears too...
>Wouter
Hi
 I have a sI 1951 1600cc 's  gbox.
The FWD casing is broken. Can I use it for that purpose to 
my sIIa '64 ?
Thanks
Ofir Nahari
Israel

1964 sIIa 88" ur (Originally Jordan Legion)
1951 sI 80"  ur (Originally Israel Border Patrol)

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 8:31:14 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Long Term Storage of 110

I don't know if they have them in your part of the world, but in Hemmings 
Motor News there is a firm that sells large plastic bags into which you 
place the vehicle, prep it, and seal the bag. Keeps the vermin and dust 
out. Nothing like coming home from beautiful Budapest and finding your 
truck seats have been munched by rodents.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 8:38:22 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Carlise Show: Worthwhile?

The last time I was there, I didn't see any Land Rovers, but that was a 
few years ago.
Not as big an ordeal as Hershey (no comparison,really) , and tons of 
really wierd cars. Those French guys have some pretty wild ideas.
It may be worthwhile from the standpoint of having lots of British auto 
enthusiasts at your fingertips to schmooze with and decry Lucas.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:53:08 -0500
Subject: Re: US "National" Land Rover Rally

<<SOLIHULL SOCIETY  A Land Rover Club Serving Colorado and Vicinity  December
17, 1996
RE: National Land Rover Rally
The 1997 National Land Rover Rally will be held during the week of 13 through
17 August, 1997...>>

Is this the same one featured in LROI a month or two ago? Sounds rather
quaint for a *National* event... How many rovers turned up that didn't get
into the photo op? Am I missing something apart from the fact that everything
seems *bigger* out west? 

I'm hoping that ARB bumpers, lockers and Old Man Emu suspensions aren't
prerequisites to go on it... (maybe just to have your pic put in the mag;
seems they all have the nice goodies in that neck o' the woods) all I's got
is a land rover.

Oh well, I guess if we didn't go, it wouldn't exist, so I'll hope to see you
all there... now to come up with a quasi-legitimate excuse to get time to go
to that rally.  

pat "who's hosting next year's Galactic meet?" parsons

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:10:13 -0500
Subject: 109 For Sale

Subj:	109 For Sale
Date:	12/18/96

To:	Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com, rro@playground.sun.com

To all,

Not sure whether this went thru this morning or not - seems AOL was being
"serviced" again.

Posted for an E-Mail impaired friend:

Series IIA 109 five door with tropical top.  Has had a frame over using a
Range Rover frame, 3.5 liter V8, and running gear.  Recent paint and
interior.  SIMBAR wraparound in front.  $15,000  Phone (804) 530-2562.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:26:41 GMT
From: "T. Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: BFG 235/85s

>1)  Has anyone tried the 235/85 size on a defender?  It seems that
>Defenders come with skinnier tires in other countries (or even the 110
>in the US).  Does anyone know why the 90s come with 265s in the US?

Jim Allen's comments on tyre size were quite interesting, but some seem to
contradict the advice given for tyre choice in the UK; perhaps this is
because of the different prevailing 'off-road' conditions in different
countries.
The main drawback to wide tyres on a LR is that they increase your turning
circle by a significant amount, not to mention slinging mud up the sides of
the car rather than keeping it in the wheel arches, increasing fuel
consumption and  stressing the steering gear.
I have always found wet grass to be one of the hardest surfaces to deal with
on road tyres, and the wider the tyre, the worse it is.

Tom

________________________________________________________________________
Thomas D.I. Stevenson			gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
SNL Mussel Project			Tel: 01475 530581
University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:28:37 -0500
From: Johnson  Mike <johnsonm@borg.com>

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:20:46 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: diesel rpm's

(snip)>>the governor will allow. It takes getting used to the sound and
>>"feel", but the Land Rover diesel engine really is designed to
>>reliably go that fast. It has very little spare power at that speed,
>I was under the impression that their lives were a bit curtailed if 
>run habitually over about 3500rpm.

Good point. Does anyone know for sure? (Factory literature, etc...) In their 
previous marine usage, my engines were run at either full throttle for 
several hours straight (slight pun: to get to the Strait of Juan De Fuca 
from Seattle), then one was shut down and the other idled (keeping the refer 
and electrics going) until time to go home. I really wish I knew how many 
hours were accumulated before they were overhauled.
OTOH, I'll be finding out about high-speed wear eventually, as almost all of 
the driving is at 55mph. I'd like to hear from other diesel owners about 
their experiences.
Cheers,
John Ousterhout
jouster@earth.rocket.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:43:07 -0500
From: Johnson  Mike <johnsonm@borg.com>

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:03:30 -0500
From: Johnson  Mike <johnsonm@borg.com>

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From: "Gene Sparks" <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Snorkel On
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:29:08 -0800

The snorkel I got from Mantec is finally on. (Cost w/delivery $330 US).
Installation time was 4 hours. I must admit installation was frustrating
but took less time than anticipated. Even with the body panel sealant by
the door pillar the outer fender removal was very easy. I had thought that
this would be the most difficult part. The largest problem I had is with
the Snorkel tube itself. In order to mount it flat in the inner fender the
mounting tab at the top (used to connect the top to the rain gutter) was
not long enough. This left me with only 2 choices weld an extension on the
upper mounting tab, or use the existing one and not mount the inner fender
portion of the snorkel  flush with the inner fender. I opted for the latter
method. Besides the permantly attached mounting tabs on the snorkel they
supplied U shaped clamps for mounting to the inner fender which is what I
used. I cut out the hole in the fender using the template they had supplied
(it was pretty cheesy 3rd generation Xerox on plain paper). Because of the
additional distance away from the inner fender at the hole (because of the
non-flush inner mount) The hole cut was not working. I continued to remove
fender material towards the rear with my dremel tool until fit was acheived
(about 10 trys before it would fit). This left additional space in front of
the snorkel tube at the hole (about 3/4 inch) but with the trim piece
installed it isn't objectional. The rest of the install went without a
hitch. One note, after sawing of the air horn for fitting the flexible tube
I noticed on the underside a protruding piece of plastic that looked
similar to a shear pin. This had to be shaved down to allow for a mooth
surface for the flex tube to mount to. Finally I sealed the drain holes in
the air box with silicone. For those of you that don't want to attempt this
install youself I recieved 2 estimates from body shops to do the work. They
were $250 and $310.

Gene
USS Disco
Rhino Gear
www.techline.com/~galleryg/rhino.htm

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:04:34 -0800
From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg@tennis.org>
Subject: RE:Some Questions

In a message dated 96-12-17 10:59:35 EST, you write:

<<The problem is this, I can only get to ~55 mph(according to
 the speedo) and that's realy pushing the engine. I don't mind this speed
 too much it's more the fact that to reach this speed I have to really push
 the engine. I've adjusted and cleaned the valves in case this helped, all
 it did was make the engine 'smoother' when it was being pushed.>>

I agree with other suggestions to have someone pace you and clock your time.  I
had a similar problem and upon checking the speedo attachement to the trany
found that one screw was missing and another loose.  After cleaning and
replacing it seems to be more accurate.  I think the spindle was slipping on
the speedo gear from the tranny. Theory only.

Paul G
SIII "Grendal"

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:25:16 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: My empty posts

I would like to apologize to everyone on the list(s).
All morning long I have been trying to figure out what the heck is up
with either my ISP of the Major...  Then I go to run an application on
my server and I find I don't have enough RAM (128 meg!).  So what I
figure is that it would strip the content and send the empty shell.

I AM TERRIBLY SORRY for the frustration and confusion.

God I hope this goes!!!

Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm (updated 9Dec96)

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:52:53 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Oil consumption question

>1. How much Oil does the 2.3 diesel consume given it does not leak?
>2. Was the engine designed to burn some oil while working?

Yes, a diesel burns oil by defintion...

RoverOn!

J "A is for *******" B

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 12:53:45 cst
From: "Chris Stevens" <Chris_Stevens@sba.com>
Subject: Had It With The Zenith!

     
     Okay, I've rebuilt the Zenith carb on my '69 Series IIa enough to know 
     that it's history and I want to start the new year out with something  
     It's leaking again around the middle. Question: is the Weber 34ICH 
     easy to install--linkages, choke, oil bath, PCV, etc.--and will it 
     give me a the same kind of performance. I know this subject's been 
     covered before.
     
     Chris Stevens
     1969 88" SW 

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From: bmc@syspac.com
Subject: Re: BFG 235/85s
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:51:50 -0600

At 02:26 PM 12/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>>1)  Has anyone tried the 235/85 size on a defender?  It seems that
>>Defenders come with skinnier tires in other countries (or even the 110
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>>Defenders come with skinnier tires in other countries (or even the 110
>>in the US).  Does anyone know why the 90s come with 265s in the US?

They decided that they wanted the pitch to become miniumized by placeing
wider tires on the 90's.

Regards,  Jon

>Jim Allen's comments on tyre size were quite interesting, but some seem to
>contradict the advice given for tyre choice in the UK; perhaps this is
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
>University Marine Biological Station, Millport	Fax: 01475 530601
>Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland KA28 OEG		http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:05:03 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul Snoek <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl>
Subject: Re: Long Term Storage of 110

At 16:33 18-12-96 NZT, you wrote:
>     Hi all

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>     attempt to go 'cold turkey'!  It didn't work as I failed to 
>     unsubscribe from the list and so still got my daily 'fix'.
>     ...oh well....
Why do you not take it with you ??

Paul Snoek
the Netherlands
D90 V8 Auto 1984

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 08:11:32 -1000
From: Faye Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: What's a bushwhacker and tire pressure.

        I have been running 235's on my 88 at 20# pressure.  Recently took a
long highway trip so pumped them up to 35#.  My gas mileage went up at least
a mile per gallon and possibly 2 mpg (still evaluating over a few more fill
ups). The trade off is the bumps on my head from bouncing off the roof.  It
is definitely rougher riding on the lava road I drive everyday with the
extra air pressure.  My estimation is that except for extreme driving in
certain off road conditions, 235's inflated to 35-40#s would pay off through
increased gas mileage because of decreased resistance.  
        Other people have intimated that the reason for the 265's is
appearance/vanity/gov't inanity (my tires are bigger than your tires!!!),
not necessity.  I think that you could run the 235's at the same pressure as
the 265's when necessary.  If you mess around in sand or other material
which require float then the fatter the better but for most other conditions
both on and off road, a skinnier but adequate tire makes more sense to the
pocket book.  If you drive in non bottomless slime, there is no substitute
for narrow tractor like tires as they slice down to the grippable surface. 
        A valid reason for the 265's would be ground clearance.  I would
assume that the 265's are taller but you should check that out.  I went with
the 235's over 215's on my 88 for the extra diameter as I freguently get
hung up on rocks and need every mm of clearance.  Of course the problem with
the 88 is how do you push the bigger tire with the small rubber band under
the hood.
        Even though I live in Hawaii I grew up in Michigan.  The only thing
that works on ice is skates.  Studded tires or chains are the only way to go
because to get REAL traction on ice you have to actually cut into the ice
with the studs or chains.  The advice to have a pair of winter tires with
studs, if legal, is probably very good advice.

ONE MORE TIME.  There were some comments about something called a
bushwhacker.  It sounded like a tool for removing suspension bushings.
Could someone tell me what a bushwhacker is other than a horse thief????

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:16:03 -0800
From: garnold@clvm.clarkson.edu (Guy Arnold)
Subject: Old Series Vehicles Beware

I just read an article in the NY Times that Nissan Corp. is buying up
1970's 240 Z sport cars and restoring them to be sold through select
dealers. They expect to sell 1-2 dozen per dealer per month. They realized
there was a market for the old Zs. They sold for $3500 in the early 70's
and the price today is about $20,000. Many of dealers already have waiting
lists for the restored cars. Can you imagine what would happen to the old
Series vehicles if Land-Rover decided to take this marketing tact. No
simple folk would ever have a chance to own a piece of history. So if you
own one, you better hang on to it. If the boys in Solihull read the NY
Times and pick up this idea the prices will go through ceiling.

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:20:00 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Wide vs Narrow tires

Tom Stevenson commented that Jim Allen's comments on wide tires was against
the prevailing theories on tire selection in the UK Here are Tom's points
and Jim's counterpoints.

P- Turning Radius is increased with wider tires.

CP- You're 110% correct on the increased turning radius - no arguments in
theory but the difference is not necessarily significant. Compare the
turning radii of three D90s taken from official LR sources.

                  w/205R-16 tires (useless fo rerious off-roading) - 38.4 ft
                  w/7.50R-16 tires (good in the dirt)- 40.4 feet
                  w/265/75R-16 (a bit more traction available) - 40.0 ft

        Why the tighter radius on the big tires - don't know. I'd guess the
D90 to be in the 41 foot range.

P- Steering system damage is more likely with wider tires.

CP- Again, true in theory - but in practice, there are no more steering
problems with NAS D90s with the 265s than with the UK 7.50-16 versions. If
you are talking 14 inch wide, 44 inch tall Gumbo Mudders, sure. The
ultra-conservative Brit engineers did a lot of testing on the BFGs before
they approved them - and according to people I've spoken with, they were a
hard sell. Folks here regularly run 12.50x33 tires and report no added
problems related to the wider tires. I even know of 35 inch tires being
run.

P- Fuel consumption is increased with the wider tires.

CP- Probably true but a matter of degree. The increased rolling resistance
might account for .5mpg, at most, (that's half an mpg) on our already
thirsty V8s. Anybody done a test to see? It might show up more significanly
on a lower powered unit like a TDi or a 2.5 petrol.

P- Terrain may account for the difference in USA vs UK.

CP- Nail on the head! You adjust all to the terrain, driving style, vehicle
prep, everything. What works at Eastnor Castle won't always work at Moab,
Utah and vice versa. DIfferences from the East and West USA coasts can be
just a significant.

P- The wider tires slip more climbing grassy slopes.

CP- May be true but we don't do that here generally because we stay on the
trail and abide by the Tread Lightly Principle. Getting stuck on grass is
not a commonly seen off-road scenario here.(that's a joke, son)

Jim Allen

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:47:25 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: What's a bushwhacker and tire pressure.

Faye Ogilvie wrote:

snip
> ONE MORE TIME.  There were some comments about something called a
> bushwhacker.  It sounded like a tool for removing suspension bushings.
> Could someone tell me what a bushwhacker is other than a horse thief????

Correct.  A tool for removing suspension bushings.

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:51:03 -0500
Subject: Re: 109 For Sale

In a message dated 96-12-18 10:25:22 EST, you write:

>To all,
>Not sure whether this went thru this morning or not - seems AOL was being
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>interior.  SIMBAR wraparound in front.  $15,000  Phone (804) 530-2562.
>Larry Smith

Yes it went out.... I got it 4 times...enuf already 

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:55:30 -0500
Subject: Windscreen Protection

During my recent workshop adventures I used a trick which I think may have
appeared in LROI at sometime. Instead of removing the hood (bonnet) of my 83
RR for engine removal I laid the thing back against the windscreen and
cushioned it with a pillow made of packing peanuts. For extra security I tied
a rope from the hood latch to the back bumper to keep the thing from falling
back on my head.
The pillow I made by filling a polyethylene leaf bag with every one of those
anoying packing peanuts I could find. For extra containment security I put
the first bag into a second bag with the drawstring down. The object is to
have enough air space in the bag so that it can be flattened out somewhat,
and still be thick enough to protect the wipers from being squashed. 
This trick should also work for those Series I & II owners who are too lazy
to remove the cotter key from their hinge pins. :>) P.S. Dont try it with the
spare on the bonnet.
Cheers. Andy Blackley

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:21:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Windscreen Protection

On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com wrote:

> This trick should also work for those Series I & II owners who are too lazy
> to remove the cotter key from their hinge pins. :>) P.S. Dont try it with the
> spare on the bonnet.

	Cotter key?  Surely you jest... :-)

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:24:37 -0800
From: "S. Vels" <svels@dk-online.dk>
Subject: Re: Had It With The Zenith!

Chris Stevens wrote:

...

>      It's leaking again around the middle. Question: is the Weber 34ICH
>      easy to install--linkages, choke, oil bath, PCV, etc.--and will it
>      give me a the same kind of performance. I know this subject's been

Kit no. 15290627 IIA & III w/o idle solenoid
Kit no. 15290727 IIA & III w idle solenoid
Kit no. 15290827 II & III LHD

I installed a 627 on my III some time ago. Fitting is straight forward if 
everything is standard. There is a ring on top to make the "knee" fit. 
This will work itself loose unless you use a little hylomar or whatever 
you have. If you leave it loose, it's much easier to remove the tube when 
adjusting the valves.

As for performance (waaa ha ha ha), i have a 109 and i haven't noticed 
any difference. (Except for the last months with the worn Zenith).

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Windscreen Protection
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 10:07:00 EST

on Thursday, 19 December 1996 4:55AM Andy wrote:

>During my recent workshop adventures I used a trick which I think may have
>appeared in LROI at sometime. Instead of removing the hood (bonnet) of my
>83 RR for engine removal I laid the thing back against the windscreen and
> cushioned it with a pillow made of packing peanuts. For extra security I

Andy, will this only work on those Rangies with exposed bonnet (hood) 
hinges?  I am not sure when the hinges were hidden.  88 or 89?

I saw this trick illustrated in the Haynes Rangie workshop manual.

Ron
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto (yup, 4.8L)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see 
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:15:48 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: you're kidding?

Well, I just had my 30 thou mile service performed.  A few rusted bolts 
in the rolll cage and a rusted weld are being scheduled for fixing in a 
week or two.  A faulty gasket was replaced in the oil sump, and, here's 
the real kicker...they gave me a brand new soft top!  I mean, I had 
complained about the fit, things were getting a tad bit drafty in the 
cabin, and I had noticed a small pinhole developed where the support bar 
plugs into the roll cage, but I did not expect a whole new top!  Don't 
get me wrong, it's great not having the pinstriping on the windows 
anymore, but I'm curious as to what happens to that top.  Does LR sell 
them, does Besttop suck it up and take it back?  In reality nothing was 
really wrong that couldn't be fixed, except for maybe the fit.  But if it 
is the fit, meaning it just contracts slightly over time, then I would 
expect this new one to do the same, thereby rendering shrinkage "normal."  
So who knows what happens to these otherwise "decent" parts?  I'm only 
wondering because there might be a source of cheap replacement parts.  
How great would it be to have a crappy top you could throw on for the 
dirty stuff and still have a nice one when you're feeling a little 
spiffy.  Or other gear for that matter. So fess up if you know...

I'm flashing my top, (but not in LRW)
Rich
D90

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:36:17 -0500
Subject: Re:Wing needed

I am in need of a drivers side wing for my 1968 Series lla.
Anybody have one?
Please reply directly
Thanks
Steve Bradke       72 S lll  88
                          68 S lla 88
                          96 Discovery 

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:17:27 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Long term storage

David Nalder <dnalder@deloitte.co.nz> writes about long term storage.

Most of what he wrote is correct: jack up the vehicle, disconnect the 
battery, etc.  I'd sell the tires - unless you keep them in a closed garage 
and away from UV rays, they're not going to be any good when you get back.  
Sell the battery, too, unless it can be repeatedly charged.  A continual 
trickle charge will eventually boil all the electrolyte away.

When I was heading overseas with the Peace Corps two decades ago, I bought 
some "layup" oil from a marina.  Designed for winter boat engine storage, 
its looks like ATF...5w or so.  Get the engine up to operating temp, then 
start pouring the stuff down the carb throat.  It'll smoke plenty, but as 
you increase the flow, the engine will eventually sputter and drown.

Drain, flush and refill the coolant.  Some people drain the system, but 
unless you can get it dry, there's liable to be more corrosion than with a 
full system.  You may want to invest in some kind of car cover and a couple 
of sacks of dehumidifying gel for the interior.

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:31:05 -0500
From: Kevin Girling <lroshop@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Sets of LROI from 1987 to present

LROI Back Issue sets.

Full sets have already gone, within minutes of the original posting.

Still available

1 set Jul 89-Jun 90, 12 issues, 1 binder, GBP55 postage included.
3 set Jul 90-Jun 91, 12 issues, 1 binder, GBP60 postage included.
2 set Jul 91-Jun 92, 12 issues, 1 binder, GBP55 postage included.
2 set Jul 92-Jun 93, 12 issues, 1 binder, GBP52 postage included.
3 set Jul 93-Dec 93, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP32 postage included.
3 set Jan 94-Jun 94, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP32 postage included.
4 set Jul 94-Dec 94, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP32 postage included.
4 set Jan 95-Jun 95, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP30 postage included.
3 set Jul 95-Dec 95, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP30 postage included.
3 set Jan 96-Sum 96, 7 issues, 1 binder, GBP37 postage included.
3 set Jul 96-Dec 96, 6 issues, 1 binder, GBP32 postage included.

Orders taken on a first come first served basis and subject to stock being
confirmed by UK shipping dept.

Visa or Mastercard only.

At 04:25 PM 12/17/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Do tell, I am definately interested in a set as long as I can convince Jane
>that it is a necessary reference tool for the vehicles ;^)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>'92 fly-yellow Ducati 750SS     yesss!!(perfect winter commuter) ;^) I love
>California

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 96 14:53:00 EST

Mike Johnson wrote:
> The wife asked me what I wanted for X-mas a few daze ago,  She refused my
> first request, and told me to try again.  So I told her I wanted a truck

Maybe she didn't hear the word "truck" correctly?

Ron
'83 RR 3.5L manual
'87 RR 4.8L auto
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660   -  for pictures see 
http://oasis.bellevue.k12.wa.us/craig/hillman/hunter.html
'67 Hillman Gazelle

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: BSROA Holiday Party
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:27:21 -0500

Party flyer went in mail today.

Please RSVP as soon as poss to assist with helping Bill M. Plan for food, etc.

Directions to the place to follow upon receiving your RSVPs.

Cheers
Jim

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:20:49 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Windscreen Protection

>This trick should also work for those Series I & II owners who are too lazy
>to remove the cotter key from their hinge pins. :>)

With a series car there is no reason for a pillow,  Just lay the bonnet
against the front top drip channel and hold it with a bungie cord.

You say there is supposed to be a cotter key  on the hinge pins?  Must have
been removed by a PO before I purchased the car in '78.

Cotter pins, what will they think of next?  Replacing the bent nails
hinging the suttle vents with cotter pins?  Wonders never cease!

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:48:14 -0800
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: Oil Filter for D90

>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:43:09 -0300
>From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Steve Paustian
>D90 SW

If the V-8 as fitted to the D90 uses the same oil filter as the filter used
on my 1991 Range Rover 3.9 V-8, you can use a Fram HP-1.  It costs about
$9.00 which is a heck of a lot cheaper than the "Land Rover" filter
(actually made by Coopers I expect) sold by the dealers.  Do not use a Fram
PH-8.  It's the same size and thread as the HP-1 and about half the price,
but I believe it lacks the anti-drain valve of the HP-1.  In any event, the
HP-1 is the filter recommended by Fram for the Range Rover.

If the oil filter on the D90 is not the same as the one used on the 3.9
V-8, then I can't help you.

C. Marin Faure
        author, Flying A Floatplane

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:35:35 -0500
From: "Mail Acct" <defender@uscom.com>
Subject: Re: BFG 235/85's (It's the GVW)

David,

The biggest reason for the NAS D90's GVW rating is actually an effort to
eliminate it from the Federal Luxury Tax. Any truck with a GVW of 6000# or
more is exempt from the Luxury Tax.

Brian Cramer
'94 D90
'90 RR County
>From: Wdcockey@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:25:54 -0500
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>Regards,
>David Cockey
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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 03:19:20 -0500
Subject: Jan '97 LRW on LRW

Just purchased the 1/97 issue of LRW. The main feature is 25 pages of
coverage of the 1996 issues of LRW. Guess LRW is the most important LR item
of 1996.

The "Special USA Feature" (sticker on front) this issue appears to be an
overview of the US off-road magazines purchased by John Carroll during a
recent stopover in Colorado. He seems to believe all the whining he read.
Alan Kidd tries to liven up a RR review with political commentary, including
an insult unworthy of an 8 year old aimed at the PM. Tony Parrott review the
assorted, not so creative ways their SIIA trailler was trashed. It was decent
looking 18 months ago. Paul Entwistle elevates descriptions of club officials
far above the level seen on this list recently: "Club 'boss' Cristine
Claypole (Cristine is clearly a Land Rover club equivalent of Prime Suspect's
deliciously dominant Jane Tennison)..." along with more political commentary.

OTOH, Dixon is scooping up all the copies he can find: his dissertation on
the fine points of counting cylinders was published in the letters section.

I wonder how much longer LRW will be around, or will the subscribers start
getting "Off Road & 4 Wheel Drive" issues in its place sometime. It looks
like they are running out of content. Classified ads are still free.
(Disclaimer: the preceding is totally uniformed speculation.)

Regards,
David Cockey
Wondering if there is a reason to resubscribe to LRW.

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 03:29:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Had It With The Zenith!

Chris is fed up:
> Okay, I've rebuilt the Zenith carb on my '69 Series IIa enough to know 
>       that it's history and I want to start the new year out with something
 
>       It's leaking again around the middle.

British Pacific has a sheet on what causes Zeniths to leak and run rich. As I
recall a slight warp of one casting exposes an unused port. The fix sounded
simple, but isn't included in the usual rebuilding. Try calling them for more
info unless someone on the list knows more.

David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:23:00 +0200
From: stan@rgo.co.za (Stan)
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes

Kevin Girling wrote:
> Should not make any difference where you are.  A senior man from LR was
> recently heard to admit on the BBC program Watchdog that they knew they had
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
> >Thanks for the reply
> >I am based in Cape Town South Africa

Herewith a copy of a letter sent to the dealer and to LR SA
Stanley Payne
22 Richelieu street, Everglen, Durbanville 7550 
Tel: 919-0001 Fax: 919-0100

19 December 1996

Mr. Derek Jeaken
Paarlberg BMW / Land Rover
Main street
Paarl
7622

Dear Derek

I hereby wish to tender my 1996 Land Rover Discovery Tdi ES Auto for
return, to be replaced with a Land Rover Discovery V8i ES Auto (same
colour exterior and interior with nudge bar and rubber mats as fitted to
the Tdi).

>From the date of delivery 30 April 1996, to date I have only been able
to cover 6000 km’s due to the vehicle being in for repairs.
The faults are as follows:

1.  Rust on the roof (delivered as such).
2.  Scratches all over the body work (delivered as such).
3.  Drivers side electric window not working when the lights are on    
(delivered as such).
4.  Main beam lights fail intermittently (still not fixed).
5.  Various instrument lights blown (delivered as such).
6.  Dust comes in the rear door (still not fixed despite adjustment).
7.  Excessive diesel consumption of 19l/100km on long trips with two    
adults (still not fixed).
8.  No power up hills (worse in hot weather).
9.  The vehicle is unable to start and ascend an incline of less than
20     degrees in temperatures of 38 degrees C.
10. The vehicle is unable to tow a boat up a slip way (also when    
temperatures are +38.)
11. The front sun roof is faulty.
12. The two covers under the seats fall out and their clips break.
13. The car has spent over two solid months in the workshop.

When I investigated the choice between the Tdi and the V8i, I was
advised by yourselves and by the Technical Department of Land Rover
(South Africa) that the Tdi was the better of the two cars in terms of
towing ability and superb fuel consumption in the order of 10l/100km.

I understand that I am not the only person to have had similar problems
and that another owner had his vehicle replaced, a letter confirming
this is enclosed.

 -2-

Please advise when I can expect delivery of the replacement V8i.

Yours sincerely
 
Stan Payne

encl.

Correspondence with Land Rover Owners International.

c.c.

Mr. P. Rademeyer.
Land Rover (South Africa).

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:22:38 +0100
Subject:       Tig welding

Hello I need some advice. 

I have been offerd a Tig welding machine(Argon Arc) for scrap value,
this is minus the bottle of Argon gas. It should also be fit to use 
with standard electric torch. Is this something I should go for??
Has anyone any experiance in this field?? Costs would be minor except 
for creating a 360 Volt power line in my house.

Landrover content, could I do my framewelding , panelrepairs etc. with 
such a machine???

(according the current users the reason for dumping it is that 
they have some difficulty with the high frequenty wich results in 
some quality problems when welding materials under 0.5mm and there 
aren't any spare parts available anymore)

Regards,

Huub Pennings

Owner of a smoking, APK approved,1981, SIII diesel 

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