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From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 07:35:25 -0500
Subject: Anti-seize cross referance

Does anyone have a cross referance to a U.S. made product for "Rocol
Anti-Seize Compound Foliac J166". This is a paste which is used between the
engine head and the exhaust manifold.
Mike King 

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 07:28:04 -0700
From: Ridge Runner Enterprises <rdgrnr@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Calender

The Ridge Running Rovers, Land Rover Owner's Club of Arizona, Calendar is ready.  It is
 a two page spread, of a large monthly photo of the member's vehicle, with Thumbnail
 photos, on Saturdays and Sundays.  It is printed on coated paper.  The price is $15.00,
 plus $2.00 Shipping and handling.  This is a fund raiser for our club.  You may email
 me to reserve a copy(s), which I will ship upon receiving funds.  Please make out
 checks to:  Darrell D. Murray.  You may mail funds to:
 Darrell D. Murray,
 15939 N. Twin Lakes Drive,
 Tucson, Arizona.  86739
 or call 520-825-1665 if you have any questions.
 	email:  rdgrnr@flash.net

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 12:05:38 -0500
Subject: Bothersome V8

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to cure my V8 of the following. My
initial thoughts on a cure have proved fruitless.

On tickover but only whilst on choke the engine revs increase and decrease in
a constant rhithmic cycle. Also when running at very low throttle openings
the engine will cut out, only to fully come back to life when a little
throttle is applied. This is very annoying whilst trialing, and hard on the
drivetrain on the road.

The engine is from an 84 Range Rover and is as standard exept for the fitment
of Luminition electronic ignition. It now resides in my Lightweight/Range
Rover hybrid and has performed faultlessly from installation in 92 untill
this fault. 

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Mike Rogers.

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:06:09 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Warranty violations

>Here's a question for Jim Allen=C9

   My question is, does something like that void
>warranty,
>Rich
>D90

Rich,

        Gene asked about how the factory warranty is dealt with when
non-orignal parts are installed.
        You're right. LRNA's warrently system works pretty well by in
large. With regards to the insto of aftermarket parts, here's my skinny.
        I don't speak for Land Rover, but my experience is that Land Rover
will not cover a non-original part or original parts destroyed by a
non-approved part that goes bad. In other words, if your "Super-Duper" cam
(with a guarantee to produce 50% more power and 80% better mileage!) was
improperly installed, goes flat and the metal gets into the rest of the
engine and wipes it out, you're on your own. Fair is fair!
        If, after the successful insto of the cam, the engine later throws
a rod through the side of the block and this event is not directly related
to the new cam, they'll normally stand behind it.
        If your dealer installs a non-approved part that you didn't bring
them to install (i.e. they sold you the part), you'll have to talk to them
about it.
        Though many dealer discourage modifications, they'll normally work
with you. Hey, it's your vehicle!

Jim

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:37:32 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: RR-HSE stuck height

>RR#1 :  4.6LI HSE
>        Air suspension stuck in low ground clearance.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Mann
>mann@epic.net

Mann,

        Odds are that you have an electronic fault (real or sometimes the
system will have brain flatulence) and not a hardware fault..
Unfortunately, once the fault is in memory, it stays there until erased by
the Test Book when corrections/repairs are made.
        Faults that are regarded as potentially dangerous will shut the
system down and put it on the bump stops until Test Book is used to clear
the fault.
        My suggestion is to call the nearest dealer and have their tech
walk you through some basic checks. Ultimately, without Testbook, you may
be dead in the water. Sorry!

Jim Allen

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:20:47 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: prospective range rover buyer

Jim Davis asked for some comments about '93 and later Range Rovers and
Discoveries.

        I don't have much because I stopped wrenching full time in '93. I
have some insight on the '93s but not a lot of day to day stuff after. I'll
offer some feedback on '93s, but prefer not to comment much on the later
ones because of my lack of immersion in the species. I will say  that I
think they are generally more reliable that the older rigs in many ways,
though the complexity of the problems have multiplied.

'93 Range Rovers. Some teething difficulties with the air suspension that
was fairly quickly sorted out. I played a part in dealing with some
problems when very cold weather was combined with high altitude. Some
engine noise problems cropped up with the 4.2L (piston & cylinder clearance
again), but as of April '93, when I left to write full time, they were
pretty reliable. I liked the LWB but the "Sport" models that combines the
air suspension and the short wheelbase was my favorite. I liked the extra
grunt of the 4.2L (too bad it didn't come in the Sport). There was an early
chip change on the 4.2L EFI system.

Jim Allen

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:17:59 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: ARO

Dear all - Jim Wolf wrote:

>Hi All; Today (Nov.30) in the newspaper there is an article and photo of the
>Aro ,a Romanian built 4X4 sw. Now for the L-R content. It looks very much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>and has the by line of Jim Henry, it was in THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT newspaper
>here in Southeastern VA.

Somebody started importing ARO`s to Austria about 15 years ago, and soon 
went broke. I have not seen an ARO here in many years, not even at the 
off-road meetings where a lot of weird eastern cars show up that you never 
see on the road. The Yugo was never sold here, so the only experience I have 
with it is my wife's nephew's Yugo in Kansas which was never on the road for 
longer than three weeks. 

The heated rear windshield, btw, is an old Skoda joke. Another one: How can 
you double the value of your Skoda? By filling her up. They make nice cars 
now, come to think of, in co-operation with Volkswagen.
Best regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 16:57:30 -0800
From: Steve Stoneham <stoneham@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Four Rovers(parts?) in eastern Ontario.

Anyone considering making the trip to see the 4 Series Rovers outside
of Trenton (advertised in Auto Trader)may want to talk to me first
before heading out there.
It may save you some time and fuel...
Steve

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 17:15:52 -0500
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Northern New England Club/Maine Centre Opening!

Another post to invite those who have some free time this coming Saturday
to join me at the new Land Rover Centre in Scarborough, Maine.  I'll be
arriving between 10AM-12PM.  I believe that a couple of other list members
are going as well! :-)  We plan on meeting, checking out the dealership and
their off-road demo course, and then haveing a bite to eat someplace nice.
Sounds like a great way to spend a day to me!  If you want directions to
the delership, call them directly at 1-800-HI-FRANK.

     The organizational/logistical work to form a Northern New England Land
Rover Club has been underway for some time now.  This is an open invitation
for those who would like to be kept on an E-mail list for informational
updates to send me a message!  The club will be open to anybody who wants
to join, but is primarily for members in New Hampshire and Maine, or for
those folks who find themselves spending more time in their Rovers in one
of those states! ;-)
      We aren't taking memberships at the present, but hope to before the
first of the year!

Cheers!  John

P.S. If you know of anyone without internet access who might be interested
in the club, have them call me @ 207-942-5152(Home #)

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
X0 of the VMFA 509th COUGARS

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966 Series IIA 88",
1974 Series III 88"-"SWAMBO"

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: Bothersome V8
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:19:07 -0800
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike,

Is your Rover carburated or fuel injected?  I don't know much about fuel =
injection but in a old fashion carburated engine this sounds like a =
vacum leak at the base of the carb or some hose.  To check this out I =
have heard of some people using an unlit propane torch to locate the =
culperate (good Luck).

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR
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From: 	MRogers315@aol.com[SMTP:MRogers315@aol.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, December 01, 1996 9:05 AM
Subject: 	Bothersome V8

Does anyone have a suggestion on how to cure my V8 of the following. My
initial thoughts on a cure have proved fruitless.

On tickover but only whilst on choke the engine revs increase and =
decrease in
a constant rhithmic cycle. Also when running at very low throttle =
openings
the engine will cut out, only to fully come back to life when a little
throttle is applied. This is very annoying whilst trialing, and hard on =
the
drivetrain on the road.

The engine is from an 84 Range Rover and is as standard exept for the =
fitment
of Luminition electronic ignition. It now resides in my =
Lightweight/Range
Rover hybrid and has performed faultlessly from installation in 92 =
untill
this fault.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Mike Rogers.

------ =_NextPart_000_01BBDF9D.9FBACE60

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: Wrecked Rover Rear end
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:37:27 -0800

Hi all,

	Need some advice.  I finally found time in my schedule to replace the =
rear half shafts in the Rhino this weekend.  The good news, no broken =
half shafts.  The bad news,  when I went to train the 90 weight, spider =
gear parts came out. This leaves me with the need to replace a rear end. =
 I'm leaning towards a locking system like the ARB since I really do not =
enjoy getting stuck in slick grass.

	About a year ago, someone on the list mentioned a compressed air =
locking differential similar to the ARB made by some racing differential =
firm in Great Britain.  As I recall, the Thread stated that it if the =
compressor failed you could actually lock it manually.  The guys at =
British Pacific said he thinks the company name was KAM or CAM (maybe).  =
Does anyone remember this.  Could you please e-mail me via the list or =
direct at jdputnam@whpacific.com.

Thanks in advance

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR

PS  Given the catastrophic end to my differential, should I replace the =
ring and pinion when I get a new locker.

P.S.S.  Any Ideas why this would happen under normal highway conditions =
when according to the P.O. it was replaced 50,000 miles ago.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 01:27:06 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: oil filter

Is ther a US equivalent or manufacturers part number for a ser 2A oil filter ?

 Regards  Bill Leacock

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From: defender@uscom.com
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 20:32:33 -0500
Subject: Re: ARO

>Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:25:54 -0500
>From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 42 lines)]
>1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
>					       \______/

I'm sales manager for a Porsche, Audi, VW, Land Rover, and soon to be ARO
dealer. The plan for the ARO includes Cosworth V6 power for the 4dr model
and Volkswagen 4cyl power for the 2dr model. The powertrains seem to be
very stout. The build quality is another story. But, at <$10K, how can you
go wrong. With such a low initial investment, I see lots of highly modified
AROs hitting the trails next to our LRs. Any comments?

Brian Cramer
'94 D90
'90 RR County

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 19:22:44 -0800
From: Granville Pool <gpool@pacific.net>
Subject: Which one am I?

John Cassidy wrote:

Granny,
      Glad you're back(safely), and Happy Thanksgiving! :-)  I saw a
message that you sent just before you left, but no others...don't know what
I've missed!?  Hey, how about telling me which one you are in the picture!
Hehehe....I have no idea which of the several fellows you might be! ;-) [snip]

In the photo on the top left, the one with the three Ibices with four figures 
standing between them, see the two figures who are lined up so that the rearward one 
is directly behind the other and standing so that he shows from the waist up above 
the other fellow's head?  That rearward one is yours truly, hatless and bearded.

When I get a chance to scan some of my photos, I'll send you a better one.  Also when 
I get them scanned, I'll be sending some to Peter so he can get some better ones on 
his web page.

I didn't recall(or know initially) what it was you were doing over there
exactly.  I knew you were going to be driving/riding in Ibices, but not
that it was an enduro of some sort!

That was the main purpose of my visit but not the only one.  I also did some 
greenlaning and simply seeing some of the countryside.

     Still haven't put the PTO on...truck decided to die, and I can't move
it inside to work on it! :-(  Covered with about 1.5 inches of ice at the
moment...turns over....nice that the po installed a block heater!  The part
that you need in return is the round cover that covers the PTO, correct?
If so, I have another I removed from my other truck to put the overdrive
on, and can send you that one.  Let me know if it sounds like the correct
piece.  Do you also need the inspection plate...I assume so.

Yes, I need both pieces but if it won't be too long, you can wait until you get the 
pto installed.  Once you install it, it'll be obvious which pieces I need as they are 
the ones you will have left over.

Cheers, and Happy Holidays to you and you family!   John

Same to you, mate!

Granny

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 08:17:48 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Australian Request

(Handwritten letter)
From:   Ian McKinna
        PO Box 103
        Cooktown
        Far North Queensland
        4871 Australia

The Secretary
Land Rover Owners' Association
(and presumably LR clubs throughout the world)

Dear Sir,

        I live in a small town on the north east coast of Australia,
population 1460.
        I am a member of the English Series One Club and the 1947-51
Register.
        Over the past few years I have contacted many overseas clubs
asking if I could purchase any sort of sew-on patch, sticker, or grill
badge, with some success.
        My reason for this is that I should like to collect as many as
possible and display them for the 1998 50th birthday of Land Rover.
        If you are able to assist me could you please advise me of the
cost of any or all types available, plus postage etc. and I shall send
a bank cheque by return post.
        I hope you can assist me in my request.

Yours Sincerely,
        /s/ Ian McKinna 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Perhaps we can all send Ian some Land Rover items for his collection.
If there is a Lazy Bugger grill badge available, I'm willing to chip in
to send Ian one free of charge.

Happy Holidays, 

                      ______
Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                              72-88, 89-RR
510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: camel trophy (fwd)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 23:05:05 -0700 (MST)

I received this request from Sweden.  Does anybody have the address of 
Swedish Team coordinator?

Forwarded message:
< From: Claes Persson <clas.persson@pop.landskrona.se>
< Subject: camel trophy
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
< Tanks
< 	Johan

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:15:04 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: oil filter

At  1:27 AM 12/2/96 +0000, William L. Leacock wrote:

>Is ther a US equivalent or manufacturers part number for a ser 2A oil filter ?
;
> Regards  Bill Leacock
;
My LR takes the short filter.  i have been using Fram filters for years.
Sorry, I do not have the number in front of me.  It was in their book
though. Its a CH something.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:36:48 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Land Rover then and now

Having been increasingly inindated with messages of things breaking on
Defenders, Discoverys and Range Rovers as their owners rack up the miles. I
see that one part of the Land Rover experience has not changed all that
much and another part has changed a lot.

Back before US spec D90s and Discoverys, I stated on this list several
times that Land Rovers were built to withstand the charge of an adult bull
rino, and to be field repaired in the jungle with little more than a
crescent wrench and a screwdriver.  While this is true in the rugged but
simple series Land Rover, it is not true of today's high tech Land Rovers.

It seems that the new cars are designed to to outrun an adult bull rino and
be maintained in a full service garage by computer, a team of techies and a
109 full of special instruments and tools.

I'm starting to read screams of anguish as the new cars go out of warrentee.

It seems a major part of the Land Rover experience is mantenence.  What
happens when these high tech wonders really start to age and break down on
a trail in the middle of nowhere?  Are you guys going to need to start
carrying around, diagnostic computers, tonnes of relays, ECUs, injection
pumps, & special sensors?

The new coilers have proven themselves to be superior to the leaf sprung
Land Rovers in just about all aspects of offroading but one...What do you
do when you break something on the road?  Get out the cell phone?

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE: Wrecked Rover Rear end
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:44:50 -0800
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi agian,

Just a side note to my deriar delima.  When I removed the differential, =
the only part that looks in good shape is the outer housing.  The large =
casting that holds all of the bearings, splindles, and spider gears in =
place is shattered.  I will take what I think is okay to a local gear =
shop and see if it is still fit.

John Putnam
Transportationless in Forest Grove.

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From: 	John Putnam[SMTP:jdputnam@pacifier.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, December 01, 1996 3:37 PM
Subject: 	Wrecked Rover Rear end

Hi all,

	Need some advice.  I finally found time in my schedule to replace the =
=3D
rear half shafts in the Rhino this weekend.  The good news, no broken =
=3D
half shafts.  The bad news,  when I went to train the 90 weight, spider =
=3D
gear parts came out. This leaves me with the need to replace a rear end. =
=3D
 I'm leaning towards a locking system like the ARB since I really do not =
=3D
enjoy getting stuck in slick grass.

	About a year ago, someone on the list mentioned a compressed air =3D
locking differential similar to the ARB made by some racing differential =
=3D
firm in Great Britain.  As I recall, the Thread stated that it if the =
=3D
compressor failed you could actually lock it manually.  The guys at =3D
British Pacific said he thinks the company name was KAM or CAM (maybe).  =
=3D
Does anyone remember this.  Could you please e-mail me via the list or =
=3D
direct at jdputnam@whpacific.com.

Thanks in advance

John Putnam
Forest Grove, OR

PS  Given the catastrophic end to my differential, should I replace the =
=3D
ring and pinion when I get a new locker.

P.S.S.  Any Ideas why this would happen under normal highway conditions =
=3D
when according to the P.O. it was replaced 50,000 miles ago.

------ =_NextPart_000_01BBDFDA.BB1FAB20

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 01:55:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: aros,titillation,toys, gaiters

1. Michel Bertrand pretty much sums up the Aro. I had a look at one out here 
for sale once, for too much money. Underneath looked like a good knock-off 
of a LR, including 
the rear axle check straps, but the bodywork was chee-zee. It was at a 
dealership selling Dacias, the Romanian car (think Yugo, but worse). 
Canada sold the Romanians nuclear reactors; they sold us these cars and 
cheap running shoes.

2. Went to magnificent new location of bookshop where I normally get my
LROI and discovered the first copy of LRW I'd seen - yes *that* issue. 
Only discovered the naughty bits after I'd bought it, BTW.  Surprising
introduction to a new publication, and left me wondering about their
editorial policy in general. Some things about their design I liked,
others not (color type on color backgrounds overdone, for example).  Cover
CB40 gag totally dumb. A few good reads, some nice art, and not the
excessive typos that have lately infested LROI. As for the "naughty bits"
- OK for Easyriders, I suppose, and since someone like Calvin Klein wasn't
paying for the space, out of place in general, and certainly in an LR
magazine. I work for a tabloid newspaper which dropped bathing suit shots
of girls some years ago and some people *still* think of us as that rag
that runs gratuitous, sexist pictures of women. LRW will pay for that one,
believe you me. OTOH, there's a woman here in Canada who spends time in
court arguing that those bits aren't naughty and there's no reason for
them to be covered up, weather permitting. If she's right, then I guess
the pic's OK. 

3. Finally found a decent Dinky Series 1 Land-Rover (with the farmer)! 
Paid too much.

4.Gaiters: I have the chamois type on, but I saw advertised a heavy duty 
rubber-boot type, moulded into seal retainer, which require removal of 
sph to install. Military kit, I believe. Anyone know how much these cost?

  

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop: Daily driver
"It's noisier on the inside"

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Land Rover then and now
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:23:09 +0100 (MET)

TeriAnn writes:
| ... today's high tech Land Rovers.
| It seems that the new cars are designed to to outrun an adult bull rino and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
| Land Rovers in just about all aspects of offroading but one...What do you
| do when you break something on the road?  Get out the cell phone?

TeriAnn,
there are a couple of coilers out there, that combine the goodies of
both, the leaf and the coil sprung Land Rovers. My 110 still has 
absolutely no electronic on its 2.5l normal aspirated diesel (and
of course nowhere else, too). Repairing this heap of birmabright is
as simple as working on my friends SIII 109.
Of course Land Rover cheated you Americans and didn't export them
to you.

Happy rovering.
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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