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1 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D25Fuel Tanks and bottom plate
2 NateDunsmore [dunsmo19@m15Hi back seats again
3 "Adams, Bill" [badams@us22Monkey snot and other sealants....
4 QROVER80@aol.com 13Re: Monkey snot and other sealants....
5 "Christopher H. Dow" [do22Re: Hi back seats again
6 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies37RE: Monkey snot and other sealants....
7 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies34RE: Comma windscreen sealant
8 "Herman L. Stude" [herma15ARB Air locker
9 NateDunsmore [dunsmo19@m15address change.
10 "David Lee" [DJFLee@msn.25RE: Free Wheeling Hubs (Oh No not that again!)
11 "John J. Tackley" [jtack15RE: Frozen Clutch
12 "John J. Tackley" [jtack13Quinton,Quintin
13 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob18Re[2]: Frozen Clutch
14 keller1@ix.netcom.com (R6unsubscribe lro-digest
15 bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bo21Hub wrench
16 "Christopher H. Dow" [do14RE: Frozen Clutch
17 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b17Re: Frozen Clutch
18 Jeffrey A Berg [jeff@pur21RE: Frozen Clutch
19 "Christopher H. Dow" [do14RE: Frozen Clutch
20 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob13Re[2]: Frozen Clutch
21 ericz@cloud9.net 15Re: Frozen Clutch
22 QROVER80@aol.com 15Re: RE: Frozen Clutch
23 William Caloccia [calocc37[not specified]
24 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@ri21Re: Need a Radio-Control LR for Christmas present!
25 Michel Bertrand [mbertra31No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)
26 Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti23re: Safari roof questions
27 cbemail@mindspring.com (6Rover Icons?
28 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi26Re: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)
29 Richard Brownlee [10136040Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts,
30 ecrover@midcoast.com (Ea51Rallies, way off in the future
31 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@cdr.wi22Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts,
32 Michel Bertrand [mbertra29Re: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)
33 uber@nbnet.nb.ca (JMJasp28help my rover come home
34 Spenny@aol.com 35Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
35 Wdcockey@aol.com 32Re: Monkey snot and other sealants....
36 Wdcockey@aol.com 20SII Bellows Type Thermostats: Non-Source
37 "William L. Leacock" [wl25UK towing
38 Wdcockey@aol.com 44Differential explainations (was ARB Air locker)
39 SPYDERS@aol.com 18Gaiter stitching
40 SPYDERS@aol.com 21Re: help my rover come home
41 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi23RE: Frozen Clutch
42 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Frozen clutches
43 rover@pinn.net (Alexande21Lock tab washers
44 James Wolf [J.Wolf@world29Dec. issue of LRW
45 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@NR23Re: Rallies, way off in the future
46 Terrence Tatarchuk [tata56RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
47 Wdcockey@aol.com 24Re: 4-wheel steering?
48 RoverNut@aol.com 24Re: No Subject
49 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du22Camel 96 winners
50 Wdcockey@aol.com 20Re: Safari roof pros and cons (bumps on 88s)
51 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@NR16Re: UK Registration info
52 rover@pinn.net (Alexande25Hub nuts
53 rover@pinn.net (Alexande20Mid-Atlantic pics
54 HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com 22Green Laning in Surrey.......
55 SACME@aol.com 32RE: Leaky master cilinder
56 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.16four wheel steering
57 "William L. Leacock" [wl19[not specified]
58 SPYDERS@aol.com 15Anti-freeze type
59 Lodelane@aol.com 20Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.
60 Alan Jardine [ALAN@atd.c35Re: PO Modifications
61 JDolan2109@aol.com 17Re: "Not from me, it isn't (again)..."
62 CarDoctor@gnn.com (Rober6test don't read
63 rover@pinn.net (Alexande16Digest down?
64 GElam30092@aol.com 15Stateside company?
65 JDolan2109@aol.com 17Re: "Not from me, it isn't..."
66 Glenn_Rees@PARLON2.CCMAI21Re: Night laning
67 Glenn_Rees@PARLON2.CCMAI28[not specified]
68 ASFCO@aol.com 15Re: Rallies, way way off in the future
69 James Mercer [james@mips35Interesting Trivia
70 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies15RE: Frozen clutches
71 Mick Forster [cmtmgf@mai17LPG gas conversion!
72 "Huub Pennings" [penning16 Re: help my rover come home
73 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim17[not specified]
74 Simon Ward-Hastelow [sim27[not specified]
75 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M22Re: UK towing
76 "Davies, Scott" [sdavies14Fitting Kenlowe Hotstart to 110TD


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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Fuel Tanks and bottom plate
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 07:58:00 EST

What is involved in removing the bottom plate?

Says
David Cockey

The plate is attached to the tank by several lumps of solder. Using a large 
industrial iron these can be melted and weakened to the point where the 
plate just serarates from the tank. You could even use a propane torch if 
you have previously cleaned and boiled out the tank and are absolutely 
certain that no residual inflammable fumes remain. One thing to do is ensure 
that you grind or wire brush away all the solder when doing your repair. I 
found the pinholes that caused my leak were right at the edges of the solder 
spots. After treating and repairing the tank use epoxy and glass fibre to 
bond the plate back onto the tank.

Regards
Trevor

BTW Jim Dolan remember the battle cry "Dislexics of the world UNTIE"

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:14:16 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@mail.idt.net>
Subject: Hi back seats again

Hi all,

I know this has been discussed several times before, but I lost alot of
my saved messages when my hard drive died.  Is there an easy conversion
of Series seats to high backed seats without changing the runners on the
seat base?   
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@mail.idt.net

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 8:50:14 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Monkey snot and other sealants....

New rubber windscreen gaskets have not cured the leakage troubles on the 
109. Apparently the water is getting past the original goop that Solihull 
smeared in the seam between the galvanized gutter and the aluminum roof 
lo this 30-odd years ago. Of course, being the kind of guy that I am, I 
don't want to pull that seam apart, yet I do want to get sealant into 
that crease. I don't want to use silicone or painter's caulk because it 
looks horrid,won't hold paint and won't get in far enough. 
I need a material that will flow into the seam and harden to a flexible 
joint. I have considered my old standby of asphalt roof patch, turpentine 
and linseed oil, but I fear it won't be flexible. Option two involves a 
propane torch and beeswax.
Thoughts and/or anecdotes graciously appreciated.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:06:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Monkey snot and other sealants....

Try a product called "Liquid Life Caulk" It is sold at marine supply houses
like Boats US. It is designed for just this sort of thing on boats and if you
think a landrover can leak then you have never been on an old boat. It also
comes in several ugly colors. If that is not strong enough then there is
always 3m's 5200 the worlds stickiest, messiest, and strongest caulk. You
could take out all the rivets and just glue the roof down with 5200!
Rgds Quintin

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:07:18 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Hi back seats again

At 08:14 AM 11/26/96 -0500, Nate wrote:
8<
>I know this has been discussed several times before, but I lost alot of
>my saved messages when my hard drive died.  Is there an easy conversion
>of Series seats to high backed seats without changing the runners on the
>seat base?   

In LROI, Bat Fastard Land Rover Spares (at least that's what the logo 
says BLRS stands for) has what they call "true high-backed seats".  They 
bolt on directly to the original mount, and are pretty comfortable.   I 
got mine from BritPac.  Don't fall for the BS in the BLRS ad that would 
lead you to believe they are the manufacturer--they're not.  I think it 
says "Buy direct from the manufacturer--you know it makes sense".  The 
problem is that BLRS don't manufacture this stuff.  I guess the laws 
regarding truth in advertizing in the UK are subtly different from here.

C

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Monkey snot and other sealants....
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:19:00 PST

A company in the UK (Comma I think) used to sell (maybe still do, I haven't 
been looking) a clear windscreen sealant which could be squirted under 
rubber seals to help stop leaks. I used this with mixed success on an old 
Vauxhall Chevette back in '89; I think the failure to seal perfectly was due 
more to the severe onset of iron worm :( If you can find this stuff or an 
equivalent it will probably do the job.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
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From: Adams, Bill
Subject: Monkey snot and other sealants....
Date: 26 November 1996 00:00

New rubber windscreen gaskets have not cured the leakage troubles on the
109. Apparently the water is getting past the original goop that Solihull
smeared in the seam between the galvanized gutter and the aluminum roof
lo this 30-odd years ago. Of course, being the kind of guy that I am, I
don't want to pull that seam apart, yet I do want to get sealant into
that crease. I don't want to use silicone or painter's caulk because it
looks horrid,won't hold paint and won't get in far enough.
I need a material that will flow into the seam and harden to a flexible
joint. I have considered my old standby of asphalt roof patch, turpentine
and linseed oil, but I fear it won't be flexible. Option two involves a
propane torch and beeswax.
Thoughts and/or anecdotes graciously appreciated.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Comma windscreen sealant
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 14:24:00 PST

Whoops, should have said that its a liquid sealant which then sets but 
remains flexible.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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From: Adams, Bill
Subject: Monkey snot and other sealants....
Date: 26 November 1996 00:00

New rubber windscreen gaskets have not cured the leakage troubles on the
109. Apparently the water is getting past the original goop that Solihull
smeared in the seam between the galvanized gutter and the aluminum roof
lo this 30-odd years ago. Of course, being the kind of guy that I am, I
don't want to pull that seam apart, yet I do want to get sealant into
that crease. I don't want to use silicone or painter's caulk because it
looks horrid,won't hold paint and won't get in far enough.
I need a material that will flow into the seam and harden to a flexible
joint. I have considered my old standby of asphalt roof patch, turpentine
and linseed oil, but I fear it won't be flexible. Option two involves a
propane torch and beeswax.
Thoughts and/or anecdotes graciously appreciated.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:38:00 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: ARB Air locker

Question regarding ARB Air Locker:

Locker locks power to each wheel on the axle, right?  If you install a 
locker on each axle front & rear do all four wheels get the same power? 
 And, if so what is going to break, what's the downside besides cost?

Is there no slip whatsoever in the t-case on a "normal SIII" without the 
locker front to rear, but slip from side to side a la differential?

Asking for clarification. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:29:17 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@mail.idt.net>
Subject: address change.

Hi all,

With aol's new billing system (unlimited access), I am going to be
switching back to my aol account address and dropping this address.
My new e-mail will be NADdMD@aol.com

-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
(Web page already updated)

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 16:17:43 UT
From: "David Lee" <DJFLee@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Free Wheeling Hubs (Oh No not that again!)

Before the thread speeds up again, this is not a question about the validity 
of the FWH concept, but a cry for help.

I have just fitted a pair of Padddocks Selectro FWH to my 1977 109 SIII. They 
went on quite easily, the instructions were simple to follow and everthing 
that needed to came off without difficulty. There is only one slight problem.
They don't work. Regardless of the position of the selector they remain firmly 
free-wheeling.
I have managed to produce a 2x4 Land Rover, just in time for winter.
The simple answer is to get another pair of gaskets and split pins and put it 
all back. But am I missing something? Has this happened to anyone before and 
was there a simple solution?

Thanks in advance 

Dave Lee
1976 109 SIII Safari
1955 TR2
Kinloss
Scotland

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:21:12 -500
Subject: RE: Frozen Clutch

Quinton wrote:

>... and with clutch depressed, and throttle floored......SLAM on the brakes.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I only have 2 (TWO) feet, How many hath Quinton ???
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:24:14 -500
Subject: Quinton,Quintin

Oops, my apologies Quintin....
                                          ^
but you don't seem to be in my spell checker...............
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 11:38:29 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Frozen Clutch

how about starting it in 4th (or other if that doesn't work) gear with the 
handbrake on...?

I haven't had this happen yet.

one could also fit a wading plug for snow driving. I did have a problem with the
starter pinion sticking last winter

As long as one periodically opens it to let the gunk out...hmmm, that renminds 
me!

Later
Dave b

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 08:59:31 -0800
From: keller1@ix.netcom.com (Richard L. Keller)
Subject: unsubscribe lro-digest

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Subject: Hub wrench
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:03:35 -0800

Lodelane@aol.com wrote:

> 'Scuuuuussseee me!
> The "original" wrench from RN and other sources is sheet metal, just like the
> JC Whitless.  Ya just pay more.

I bought the Whitney one and it appeared to be made from a beer can. At the
time, it didn't bother me. But the first time I came to a previous owners
over tightened hubs, it stripped out.
Then I bought one from the local 4WD shop (Jeep/scout tool).Same story.
Also both were a bit too short for the front hubs.
Then I bought the one from BP, It is longer, and much thicker. It is a much
better wrench. 
Regards,
Bob Bernard

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:23:13 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: RE: Frozen Clutch

At 11:21 AM 11/26/96 -500, you wrote:
>>... and with clutch depressed, and throttle floored......SLAM on the brakes.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I only have 2 (TWO) feet, How many hath Quinton ???

Ahem, gentle sir.  Do not all Series Land Rovers have a hand throttle?
Mine most certainly doth.

C

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:35:25 -0500
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Subject: Re: Frozen Clutch

Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> At 11:21 AM 11/26/96 -500, you wrote:
> >>... and with clutch depressed, and throttle floored......SLAM on the brakes.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Mine most certainly doth.
> C
No they DON'T...  Neither of mine do,  nor does my friends SIII.
-- 
Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester)
73 SIII 88 (Jezebel)
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 12:55:14 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: RE: Frozen Clutch

>Ahem, gentle sir.  Do not all Series Land Rovers have a hand throttle?
>Mine most certainly doth.

Nope, they certainly all do not.

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:13:02 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: RE: Frozen Clutch

At 12:55 PM 11/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ahem, gentle sir.  Do not all Series Land Rovers have a hand throttle?
>>Mine most certainly doth.
>Nope, they certainly all do not.

Well, then.  My bad.  I imagine that that would be how to solve the problem
of throttle, clutch, and brake at the same time, however.

C

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 96 13:37:08 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Frozen Clutch

>Ahem, gentle sir.  Do not all Series Land Rovers have a hand throttle?
>Mine most certainly doth.
>Nope, they certainly all do not.

No, but for 25 bucks US, one could get a brand spanking new one (SIII version, 
that is)

Dave B

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:43:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Frozen Clutch

On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, QROVER80@aol.com wrote:

>Step 7 Floor the throttle and as the engine comes up towards its torque peak
>( about 25 mph? ) depress clutch and with clutch depressed, and throttle
>floored .........SLAM on the brakes.

OK Quentin, how the hell can you heel-toe a Rover?  

Eric

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:57:16 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: Frozen Clutch

Alas I have only the two feet, more's the pity as I could have made a fortune
as a tap dancer.
The method I use works without a hand throttle, although it would be easier
if you had one. I use my right foot to apply throttle and brake and use my
left for the clutch. It is more important to hit the brakes than the
throttle. It is not that hard as my brakes never actuate at the top anyway.
Alternately you could use a vicegrip to hold the clutch in the depressed
position.
Rgds Quintin

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Subject: Another Rover Comic from Pizzabones
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:22:10 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

	http://pizzabones.com/tuedsay.html

Hey Folks,

	And on a personal note, I'm back in the states, after spending most
of November in Europe (more on that later), and am presently in the process of
moving from Boston to Worcester.  I still work in the same place, but
they changed exchanges, so I've got new phone numbers there too (see below). 

	Take care, and those of you in the states have a good turkey day.

	If anyone wants to update their address books with my new home
address/phone, drop me a line.

	Cheers,
	- Bill caloccia@OpenMarket.com

		http://www.Senie.com/billc/

	work:	+1 617 949 7289  (NEW !!!  from 1-nov)
	fax:	+1 617 949 7133  (NEW !!!  from 1-nov)

PS Just for all you punters whining about the parts prices, be glad you
   don't have dealers service your Series IIa. My '90 RR is in for
   a 75,000 mile service, and they've recommended the following work
   also be done:

	V-belts (all)		$165.
	Spark Plug Wires	$140.
	Battery (1 cell dead)	$150.
	Clean/Lube Hatch Handle	$ 66.	(1 hr. labor only)

  I told 'em thanks for the notice, and I'd sort it.

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:43:24 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Need a Radio-Control LR for Christmas present!

At 02:43 PM 11/25/96 EST, you wrote:

>If I don't find one, the daughter's gonna be most annoyed with Santa.....8*)
>In the US, anybody seen one of these at a price less than a real one? -ajr

MacFrugal's (A closeout sorta place) reportedly occassionally carries one.
I've not seen it myself, but I did see a picture of a safari-ish 109" on a
box of another remote controlled car.  It's not huge, probably about 1:43,
and has a wired remote.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:41:27 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)

First big snowfall of the season here in the Townships (Cool!!!)

Jump in the truck, Start the engine, forgot to lock the hubs, jump out,
lock-em-up, jump back in, and put it in reverse. Tires spinning. No problem,
I'll yank down the yellow button. Tires still spinning. Hmmm, what's going
on? Pull back Red knob, and 4WD works fine.

What's going on?

Hope I don't have to open-up the transfer-case, it's getting colder and
colder...

Any advice would be greatly appreciated..

Merci encore!

Michel

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:22:47 -0600
Subject: re: Safari roof questions

Dixon writes about Dave's new top...

> Deluxe bonnet eh... Really tarting up the thing.  Don't know if a III
> can handle it...  Next you will be putting a late IIA grille on it...
> :-)

Yeah, and next he'll want to paint the damn thing poppy red like he's Boy   
Racer or something. Well, sorry Dave. My beast can be imitated, but not   
duplicated. Ha! :-)

See ya on the speedway,

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:38:11 GMT
From: cbemail@mindspring.com (Christopher Buckley)
Subject: Rover Icons?

Does anyone know of any Rover Icons on the Web?

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 15:53:43 +0000
Subject: Re: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)

> Jump in the truck, Start the engine, forgot to lock the hubs, jump out,
 lock-em-up, jump back in, and put it in reverse. Tires spinning. No problem,
 I'll yank down the yellow button. Tires still spinning. Hmmm, what's going
 on? Pull back Red knob, and 4WD works fine.
 
> What's going on?
It may be just a matter of sometimes you get better traction in low
than in high.
Put it in two wheel drive, find a place where your wheels are 
spinning and then try high 4wd. Stick your head out of the door (or 
better, have a friend look) to see if either front wheel is spinning.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 26 Nov 96 17:57:35 EST
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts,

Hi all

>'Scuuuuussseee me!

>The "original" wrench from RN and other sources is sheet metal, just like the
>JC Whitless.  Ya just pay more.

>BTW, if you require a "real" socket (ala drop forged) you must have had
>"Aarnald" tighten the stub nuts.  If so, you probably have cracked the
>bearings and the race.  Remember, you only want to tighten enough to preload
>the bearings, not torque down 'til nothing moves.

Whats all this about preload then????

Hub nuts should not nip the bearings at all - fine for seating the races, but
then the hub nut should be backed off to give an end float on the drum or disc
of 2 to 4 thou.  This should be rechecked after tightening the lock nut.

I recently trashed a set of front wheel bearings on my Range Rover - My hub nut
box spanner was on loan to 'Mr uncontactable when you need your tools back' up
the road so I made one. - Get two nub nuts.  Cut out six strips of steel (I cut
up some 1/8in thick angle).  Hold the two nub nuts in a vice or clamp to keep
them in line with each other and weld the six strips together along the nuts
(not to them) to form a box spanner. - Find a thick washer and weld that to the
end, then weld an old socket to the washer.  Hey presto  one hub nut spanner...
certainly not pretty  but effective.

Regards

Richard

Surrey UK
77 Range Rover
81 Range Rover
 

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:11:02 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Rallies, way off in the future

Dear all,
        Even though it is just Thanksgiving, I have been getting quite a
few calls about next year's Rally. Some from hotels who want you all to
stay there when you come, and some from people wanting to know what
weekend, and some from people wanting their video of 1996's Off Road Day
*hope you all have them by now!*
        I have been told *not a fact, just what I have heard* that the
DownEast Rally will be a weekend earlier, like June 29th. You can get info
from the Owls Head Transportation Museum, they have a web page at
www.ohtm.org
        The other thing before the rumor mills cranks up as to why or why
not, is that ECR will not be holding its Off Road Day, on the Saturday
before the DownEast. Complications and conflicts with the organizer, the
fact that we just don't want to be involved or associated with Myles
Murphy, the threat of corporate sponsors, and some money issues that ECR
doesn't want to get involved in means that we are now participants *just
like you* in whatever happens. Basically, we don't get along with the
organizer, we don't want Land Rover money coming in * too many questions
and different ideas, as to who gets what, and where it goes, and who gets
whatever is left over * that we just don't want to get into. We had no
problem dropping all the cash for the event, and doing the trails, getting
Rovers North to help people through etc., but we were told in 1995 that we
would not be allowed to do more than 2 years, as that would *get old*. We
also would like to see the event expand into a trade show where ALL the
Land Rover places, Off road companies, and clubs can come and show off
their stuff. What does this mean to you... nothing really, just giving you
all the truth from the source, before you get all set to head to Maine next
summer. So, we'll see you there, and for information about the DownEast
Rally watch your Rovers North Newsletter.
        We do hope to get another Off Road event going, our hard core event
never got off the ground due the lack of time last fall, but we hope to
scale that course back so more people can attend, and basically hold the
same thing that we have for the past 2 years, but with some changes. Hope
you will all attend as we re-group with a possible new event.
        Any questions or comments feel free to email your ideas and
thoughts, we'll try to stuff them into whatever event we throw our efforts
into in the future. Hope to see you at all the Rallies on the eastern side
of the US in 1997.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 17:11:49 +0000
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts,

Richard writes:
snip
> end, then weld an old socket to the washer.  Hey presto  one hub nut spanner...
> certainly not pretty  but effective.

Thief! Thief! That's my hub nut spanner! Damn international patent 
organizations.  :-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:25:26 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: No more Hi (You say Goodbye, I say Hi-Lo...)

At 15:53 96-11-26 +0000, you wrote:

>It may be just a matter of sometimes you get better traction in low
>than in high.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>spinning and then try high 4wd. Stick your head out of the door (or 
>better, have a friend look) to see if either front wheel is spinning.
Tried that. When in 4WD High, none of the front wheels get any power, just
like if it stayed in 2WD. When I put it in 4WD Low, there is plenty of power
going to the front wheels like it should be. Is there some kind of
adjustment in the yellow knob mechanism?

Thanks for your input, 

Michel

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: uber@nbnet.nb.ca (JMJasper)
Subject: help my rover come home
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:50:27 -0400

Any one know of a way of getting a '69 swb IIa from Winnipeg, Manitoba to
Fredericton, New Brunswick?  It's currently freezing to the ground and
wanting to come to my new home in NB to be restored.  Its towable flat or on
dolly or could be pushed on to a moving truck.  It can't be driven right now
though due to a bad brakes and clutch.

Conventional auto haulers by train or truck will only ship newish licenced
vehs.  My only way of getting it right now is driving/flying to MB and then
renting a dolly and truck to tow it out to NB.  All this on a soldier's
leave block and pay is virtually impossible.

I need a rover friendy person with contacts in the shipping business or
trucking to help me out with a solution.  My only recourse is to eventually
sell this rare 69 "bugeye" model for scrap to an unappreative auto yard.

Any suggestions?

JMJ 
*******************************************
JM Jasper, uber@nbnet.nb.ca
Rover - best 4x4xfar
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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:28:34 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

pat writes,
From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:48:01 -0500
Subject: Anti-freeze type

Hello all,
I'm about to replace the anti-freeze in my radiator (because it is now winter
here in Florida) and I saw an ad for non-toxic anti-freeze.

Has anyone on the list died from drinking their old, high tocicity
anti-freeze? I'm curious as to why exactly they offer non-toxic
anti-freeze... perhaps its a new flavor of Kool-Ade developed in Guyana?

i have died several time drinking toxic antifreeze, all on occasions i chose
to drink the antifreeze over irish whiskey offered by al richer :-)

seriously, antifreeze has a sweet taste to it which attracts animals and the
amount of antifreeze that a cat gets on its paws walking in a puddle is
fatal, i use the non tox stuff all the time, 
as much time as brown bo spends around the truck, and as stupid & thirsty as
she is, i couldnt really use anything else with a good conscience

rgds,
spenny

Land Rover, 4WD of choice for the information superhighway
69 SWB, The Wayback Machine
Arlington, Virginia

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:54:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Monkey snot and other sealants....

Quintin recommends:
> Try a product called "Liquid Life Caulk" It is sold at marine supply houses
>  like Boats US. It is designed for just this sort of thing on boats and if 
> you
>  think a landrover can leak then you have never been on an old boat. It
also
>  comes in several ugly colors.

Life Caulk is polysulfide rubber. It takes a while to set but is definately
waterproof. Liquid Life Caulk is a pourable version typically used for deck
seams. Life Caulk is also available in a caulking tube. I haven't used it on
a LR, but have used it extensively on boats. It is paintable For a neat
appearance when filling a seam use masking tape on either edge of the seam,
gun the Life Caulk in, and then use a tongue depresser or similar to smooth
it out. Life Caulk has considerable strength when fully cured (our boat's
hull is glued together with it) but can be separated with a hot putty knife.

> If that is not strong enough then there is
>  always 3m's 5200 the worlds stickiest, messiest, and strongest caulk. You
>  could take out all the rivets and just glue the roof down with 5200!
Do not use 5200 unless you are absolutely sure the joint will never need
disassembling, and then only if you are going to sell the LR to someone you
don't know who lives far away. It is an extremely strong adhesive.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:11:47 -0500
Subject: SII Bellows Type Thermostats: Non-Source

PA Blanchard no longer has '59-'60 bellows type themostats. They were the
only source I had found.

If you have a '59-'60 SII with a bad thermostat you will need to convert to
the later thermostat housing, outlet pipe, and bypass pipe to use the later
type thermostat. Not a major job assuming you have the parts.

The other options are to have an engine which never warms up (assuming
thermostat has failed open), or take your chances on a "bodge". This
thermostat also serves to restrict flow and head cracking is a reported side
effect of running with not thermostat or the wrong thermostat.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 02:22:42 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: UK towing

Hi All 

>Re: towing a Dead LR.

>In the UK to the best of my knowledge, if you tow a vehicle (ie not using its 
>own motive power) then it becomes a trailer and it does not need to be 
>registered and/or even have an MOT.

>I could stand corrected if the boys in blue are on the list.

NOT TRUE.
 In the UK if any wheels of a motor vehicle touch the road then that vehicle
must be taxed, tested, insured  and road legal in every way, whether it is
towed or stationary ,  even suspended towing or towing on a dolly. The only
exceptions are if the vehicle is on trade plates which   substitutes for the
tax and insurance.

 Bill Leacock Limey in exile. ( not a boy in blue or a  cop to our colonial
friends ) not a lawyer either, just someone who once did some research in
how to save money on a competition vehicle.

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:28:19 -0500
Subject: Differential explainations (was ARB Air locker)

The locking differential questions have reappeared again:
> Locker locks power to each wheel on the axle, right?  If you install a 
>  locker on each axle front & rear do all four wheels get the same power? 
>   And, if so what is going to break, what's the downside besides cost?
>  Is there no slip whatsoever in the t-case on a "normal SIII" without the 
>  locker front to rear, but slip from side to side a la differential?

Standard (open) differential: Equal torque (twisting force) to each wheel.
Wheels can rotate at different speeds.

Locked differential: Wheels locked together and rotate at same speed. Torque
to each wheel can (will) be different.

Transfer case in SI (except earliest)/II/III: In 2wd rear propshaft is
connected, front is disconnected. In 4wd both front and rear propshafts turn
at same speed.

Power equals torque multiplied by speed. Torque is the twisting force which
leads to a force between the tires and the ground. Trying to use it in
understanding differentials complicates matters.

With a standard differential in 2wd once one wheel spins (reached maximum
torque possible) the other wheel will receive equal torque (no more is
possible since the torque to each wheel is the same).

In 4wd with a standard differential the combinations are more numerous, but
once a wheel on each axle is spinning you have maximum torque to the ground.

With a locking differential once one wheel reaches maximum torque (ready to
spin) the torque on the other wheel will continue to increase until both can
spin together since they have to turn at the same speed. This is why a locked
differential increases the maximum total force possible between your tires
and the ground. It is also why it increases the chance of axle breakage.

Hope the above helps to clarify differentials.

Regards,
David Cockey 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:35:00 -0500
Subject: Gaiter stitching

First off, Allan Smith of St. Lucia-- thanks for the gaiter kit.

Ok, I'll admit I failed cross-stitch and knitting in home-ec class; so I'm
appealing for info on how to best lace the leather bits together. I have some
waxed yarn, a palm and old sail needle that look up to the job, but was
wondering if there is a proper way to do it other than my random loopings. 

Do I put any goop/grease in there before I stitch shut? Maybe I could fill
with swivel seal oil and it will *leak in*?

pat
93  110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:34:55 -0500
Subject: Re: help my rover come home

Need to tow the rover from one place to another?

(with apologies to the creator of Super Man) --

Sounds like a job for "Super-Tow"... 
...Able to cross long distances in a single trip... 
         ...faster than a speeding SIIA...  
                   ...drives a red Stage I... 
                            ...Will tow *anything* attached to Tow Ball...

pat
93  110 

(No, I'm not volunteering anyone, nor myself, for the job; just re-affiming
my vote for the Tow Ball award recipient)

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:59:21 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: RE: Frozen Clutch

The question of the day....

>Quinton wrote:
>>... and with clutch depressed, and throttle floored......SLAM on the brakes.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I only have 2 (TWO) feet, How many hath Quinton ???

-

Well.. I'm not one to brag, but I have no trouble at all with the clutch,
brake AND throttle pedals at the same time.. heh,heh,heh...

Hey.. get yer mind out of the gutter! My throttle sticks! 

Cheers
Mike

 

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:05:14 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Frozen clutches

Quintin writes:

>Step 7  Floor the throttle and as the engine comes up towards its torque
>peak ( about 25 mph? ) depress clutch and with clutch depressed, and
>throttle floored..........SLAM on the brakes.

Umm...I'd *pay money* to see that, Quintin.  Easier to start it up in gear 
(4WD high) that try to get a third leg into the action.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:05:05 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Lock tab washers

John Hess wants to know how the IH lock tab washers are better.

Well, instead of the tab that slides into the slot in the spindle, the IH's 
have a little "foot" for lack of a better term.  The metal is slightly 
thicker, but doesn't seem to be as brittle as the Rover stuff.  No silvery 
coating or anodizing to flake off.  (Yup, I've seen the Rover washers do 
that.  But then they weren't "Genuine Parts".)  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:58:13 -0800
From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Dec. issue of LRW

Hi All; stopped on the way home and got the Dec. issue of that great LR
publication LRW. I even looked at that photo. WHAT IS THE UPROAR
ABOUT??? I saw nothing offensive about it. In fact it was kind of cute,
I'll bet there was a dare or something involved. Just look at their
faces these two are having fun. I also enjoyed the article.

About sealing gas tanks. I did this in 1978 to my sw tank with JC
Whitless gas tank sealer. Last year I removed the tank again and took it
apart and sure enough it was rusting again. Took it to the rad. place
and they cleaned it out, they had a very hard time getting "that old
green stuff out of the tank" no rust inside the tank. I am treating the
outside the same again 1/ use rust reformer all over outside. 2/ two
coats rusty metal primer. 3/ NOW use Zinc Rich barn roof paint two coats
4/ use rubber based undercoating between layers lots of it. 5/ have
pieces welded back together, but do so that the whole tank doesn't get
hot. Check on areas around welds and redo paint, underseal etc. Now seal
sides with silicon sealer and stainless steel tape undercoat/seal entire
tank use lots. Check annually when you are checking the frame' underseal
and repair as needed.

Keep On (Land-Rover) truckin'
Jim Wolf Pro Photographer
1966 sIIa 109 sw Vicky
Portsmouth, VA USA

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:26:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rallies, way off in the future

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, East Coast Rover Co. wrote:

>         I have been told *not a fact, just what I have heard* that the
> DownEast Rally will be a weekend earlier, like June 29th. You can get info

	Heard the same up here.  

>         The other thing before the rumor mills cranks up as to why or why
> not, is that ECR will not be holding its Off Road Day, on the Saturday
> before the DownEast. Complications and conflicts with the organizer, the
> fact that we just don't want to be involved or associated with Myles
> Murphy, the threat of corporate sponsors, and some money issues that ECR

	Easy now, you are getting rather close to starting a lovely 
	little flame fest here...  Suffice it to say some may have
	a very different intrepretation of events and the facts.

	Rgds,

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:58:39 -0500
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 magazine.  Does anyone have an address or phone number I can use?
Terry,
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'93 defender 110
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	  Contents:
    1 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sun Nov 24 20:01   33/1465  Re: 4-wheel steering?
    2 RoverNut@aol.com   Sun Nov 24 19:57   31/1182  Re: No Subject
    3 tomills@du.edu     Sun Nov 24 19:58   36/1606  Camel 96 winners
    4 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sun Nov 24 20:01   28/1044  Re: Safari roof pros and 
    5 dkenner@NRCan.gc.c Sun Nov 24 20:46   32/1218  Re: UK Registration info
    6 rover@pinn.net     Sun Nov 24 20:47   41/1765  Hub nuts
    7 rover@pinn.net     Sun Nov 24 20:47   35/1520  Mid-Atlantic pics
    8 HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com Sun Nov 24 20:49   29/924   Green Laning in Surrey...
    9 SACME@aol.com      Sun Nov 24 20:56   41/1673  RE: Leaky master cilinder
   10 lloyd@cs.monash.ed Sun Nov 24 20:56   25/926   four wheel steering
   11 wleacock@pipeline. Sun Nov 24 20:58   32/1586  
   12 SPYDERS@aol.com    Sun Nov 24 21:01   22/921   Anti-freeze type
   13 Lodelane@aol.com   Sun Nov 24 21:02   27/994   Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub
   14 ALAN@atd.co.uk     Sun Nov 24 21:03   56/2446  Re: PO Modifications
   15 JDolan2109@aol.com Sun Nov 24 21:08   24/923   Re: "Not from me, it isn'
   16 CarDoctor@gnn.com  Sun Nov 24 21:27   21/748   test don't read
   17 rover@pinn.net     Sun Nov 24 21:33   32/1285  Digest down?
   18 GElam30092@aol.com Sun Nov 24 22:39   23/774   Stateside company?
   19 JDolan2109@aol.com Sun Nov 24 22:58   25/890   Re: "Not from me, it isn'
   20 Glenn_Rees@PARLON2 Mon Nov 25 01:03   84/2806  Re: Night laning

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:01:48 -0500
Subject: Re: 4-wheel steering?

In a message dated 96-11-22 08:30:39 EST, you write:

>  on the same side, install the axle housing keeping 
>  left/right same but turn it upside down so the diff
>  points forwards rather than turning it left-to-right.

One difficulty, the swivel pins are inclined 7 deg top in and 3 deg top back
(castor). When you flip the axle they will be inclined top out. You really
should keep the original geometry so a modified housing with the diff section
swapped around would be the way to go. Otherwise not a bad idea. Another
implementation would be to use a hydraulic cylinder for right/left acuation
of the rear wheels controled by a valve in the cab, with pressure provided by
a 12v pump. Much easier then cranking on a lever.  In colder climates a snow
plow dealer could set you up. In any case a really solid center position
lockout is mandatory.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:30:55 -0500
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 96-11-22 07:16:26 EST, you write:

<< ~10 miles from chassis and I pass a UH
 center that, had I adhered to the 7p's, probably would have saved me a lot
 of aggravation by picking up the dolly here. >>
Actually, things would have still screwed up. We ARE talking U Haul you know.
Same thing happened to me when I picked up my trailer in Westport CT "I don't
see your reservation...."
I had spent 2 hours on the phone confirming it with him just the previous
day.
And you're right, the GW bridge is a BITCH to cross when loaded down.

Glad you made it alive !
Oh what we do for our beloved beasts..
Alex Maiolo

69 IIA 9 (ex-Conecticut)
89 Rangie

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Camel 96 winners
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:14:57 -0700 (MST)

Lloyd Allison pointed out to me some time ago that he had not been able 
to find the names of the Camel Trophy winners in press accounts.  Since 
then I have been watching closely.  The American and British accounts are 
amazingly ethnocentric, mentioning in passing that a Greek team won but 
giving no names.

Well, somebody finally got it right.  Ken Freund's article in FOUR WHEELER
(Dec.) names the Greeks:  Miltos Farmakis and Nikos Sotirchos.  (They also
won the new "Land Rover Award" for the highest score in driving tasks.)
Team Spirit award went to South Africans Sam De Beer and Pieter du 
Plessis.  Special Tasks Award went to Russians Alexei Svirkov and Dmitriy 
Surin.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:48:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Safari roof pros and cons (bumps on 88s)

Tom replys to Dave's search for wisdom:
> Is it an 88? If so, the trop roof is olny sheet metal rivited to the 
>  the other roof, with some screws & spacers for the edges.
>  If a 109, you have the roof vent bumps on the trop.

Our '60 88 SW has roof vent bumps on the awning. Also, the optional parts
cat. for IIA/III shows bumps on both 88 and 109. But I think I've also seen
awnings without bumps.

More trivia that makes LRs so facinating.

Regards,
David Cockey
 

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:22:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: UK Registration info

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Christopher Weinbeck wrote:

> the exchange of money & vehicle/paperwork -after much recent discussion as
> to the /easiest/ way for me to register my truck in the U.S.A. it has come
> out that they do not have either a bill of sale or a signed over
> registration for me.  It was /my/ responsibility to get such, they now say.

	They sound incompetent.  Where is the paperwork associated with
	the shipping?  If they refuse to produce, refuse to pay anymore.  
	Name them...  Not that many LR people on the east coast who do
	this kind of thing.

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:28:13 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Hub nuts

>turns out the nut od is the same as on IH Scout '73-77, and the tool is
>avail. from JCW for $10, cool!

I'll sell you my J.C.Whitless tool for $.02.  That's about what it's worth.  
The thing is made from *sheet metal*, not forged (or much less
stamped) like a proper tool.  If you have an over-tightened nut from a P.O., 
it'll strip out the first time.  Buy a *proper* socket.  As Mr. Natural 
says, "The right tool for the right job."

BTW, the spindle nut lock tab washer as made by International Harvester is 
superior to the Rover one.  Ask for IH part #860291R1.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:28:17 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic pics

I'm getting the next newsletter together and would like to include a few 
photos of the Mid-Atlantic rally.  I had the opportunity to take, like *two* 
photos the whole weekend.  Anway, if you have one or two really good shots 
and want a by-line drop 'em in the post to me at the address in the 
sig.block below:  TIA  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |

      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:56:28 -0500
Subject: Green Laning in Surrey.......

Dear All,

Here is a web page well worth a visit if you need something to make you
smile!  Last week we went for a gentle days green laning in Surrey, England,
where there are many gentle, non-challenging, non-damaging lanes - just a bit
of mud and a few ruts!

How the hell did we do this much damage!!

http://members.aol.com/IanHaggis/hhrsspec.html

Enjoy.........

Regards,

Dave

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:34:03 -0500
Subject: RE: Leaky master cilinder

On 2/24/96 Marc Rengers said:
>These strange things happen! It happend on my 88". Very strange!

>This TCDIBIS-priciple can be usefull! (The Car Does It By It Self)
>I only filled it up after I cleaned the slafe-cilinder at the gearbox. 
>And it still works!

Marc, I know what you mean.  Day before yesterday, my 88" "threw up" in a
friends driveway - dropped about a pint of coolant onto his driveway.  I
opened the bonnet, and sure enough, coolant was coming from somewhere in the
front of the engine - I couldn't be sure where, so decided to add some
coolant (I always carry a couple of gallons - just to help others of course,
BB member and all that...) and drive the 8 miles home to the garage, good
lighting, etc.. All this time, I'm thinking that I've got to drive this lump
to Boston tomorrow.  The upshot is, I couldn't get it to do it again.  And I
drove all the way to Boston and the coolant level stayed just where it
belongs.  Flat out, 65 all the way, at least on the steeper downhills,  and
not a drop was spilled. 

Go figure...
Happy Rovering!

Doug (Baffled in Boston) Scott, 
2 ea. '72 SIII SWB, and charter member of the BB

  

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:03:43 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: four wheel steering

funny you should raise that

Mal Story has an experimental vehicle
called the Sidewinder with 4 wheel steering.
The rear axle can be steered independently of the front
by hydraulics - in low range only, of course.
The vehicle can turn tightly or "crab".
Picture in a few days on
   http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/4WD.html

Lloyd

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:28:13 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>

Hi All,
> I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
>to me with a delco internally regulated Altenator.  However I there seem to 
>be a regulator (original) attached to the passanger side bulk head. ( a small 
>silver relay)  Was the 1971 built with a Altenator or a generator originally?
>What & where was the regulator mounted by the factory?  
 
 Car doctor..    What is the number on the regulator, it is probably an RB
340 or 310 which is the regulator for the original dynamo that was fitted.
If it is a TR2 then it  is the rgulator for an unregulated type alternator
type 15 or 16 AC  ( not ACR  which is the regulated type ) 
 Fitting an alternator makes the RB reg redundant, but it can be a
convenient point to link the wires for the change.

  Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:48:01 -0500
Subject: Anti-freeze type

Hello all,
I'm about to replace the anti-freeze in my radiator (because it is now winter
here in Florida) and I saw an ad for non-toxic anti-freeze.

Has anyone on the list died from drinking their old, high tocicity
anti-freeze? I'm curious as to why exactly they offer non-toxic
anti-freeze... perhaps its a new flavor of Kool-Ade developed in Guyana?

pat"my engine better not feeze in Miami"parsons

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:57:55 -0500
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

'Scuuuuussseee me!

The "original" wrench from RN and other sources is sheet metal, just like the
JC Whitless.  Ya just pay more.

BTW, if you require a "real" socket (ala drop forged) you must have had
"Aarnald" tighten the stub nuts.  If so, you probably have cracked the
bearings and the race.  Remember, you only want to tighten enough to preload
the bearings, not torque down 'til nothing moves.

FWIW,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA 

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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:32:38 +0000
Subject: Re: PO Modifications

> Date:          Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:17:08
> From:          CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> X-To:          lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:       PO Modifications

> Hi All,
>  I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Alt.  However my 1971 seem to be lacking that type of regularor to rewire. 
>  I have to admit that the manuals I have do not make the location & 
> description of this relay clear.

I know dynamos were fitted to '67 vehicles but don't know how long 
after they changed over.  The relay you describe however does not 
sound like a regulator box.  My old '67 had a big black box with a 
spring retained cover.  Opening this cover reveals two relays (One to 
regulate current, the other to regulate voltage I think) along with 
some other componants mounted to a circuit board.  The relays have 
adjustable contacts (you are supposed to use a special tool to change 
these along with some other test gear).

What you describe sounds more like a lighting relay (I have two of 
these on the passenger side bulkhead of my lightweight)

> Thanks for the help.
>  I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
> Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Alan Jardine,  ATD.

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:27:02 -0500
Subject: Re: "Not from me, it isn't (again)..."

There was a young lad named Quentin,
Who's Landy's frame the rust went in.
Sent it out for a dip- a total immerse.
It came out all stript, he blurted a verse:
"That has good money spent in!"

-----------
I'll seek help.....
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:41:48
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: test don't read

Hi no email for two days.  Just checking.

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:20:15 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Digest down?

Are *both* digests down?  In the past, it's usually one or the other.  Do 
they both "live" on one machine now?

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:27:37 -0500
Subject: Stateside company?

You wrote "Well, it wasn't so much the shipper.  It's a stateside Rover
company that
I've been dealing with.  They arranged everything (?) and delivered the
truck to me."

That wasn't our friends in Atlanta by any chance was it?

Gerry 
PHX  AZ

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:18:08 -0500
Subject: Re: "Not from me, it isn't..."

"second time through the course", and I need to change something. Just need
to add one "prepositionally adverbial" (?) word....

There was a young lad named Quentin,
Who's Landy's frame the rust went in.
Sent it out for a dip- a total immerse.
It came out all stript, he blurted a verse:
"That has good been money spent in!"

jim
jdolan2109@aol.com

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From: Glenn_Rees@PARLON2.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 25 Nov 96 04:06:41 EST
Subject: Re: Night laning

Richard

As I recall, ALL the BOAT's in the Box Hill/Headley common area, have got 
TRO's on them, and have done for years. If you are sure the lane is open to 
all traffic, then report the matter to the RoW Officer at Kingston, not 
just the police.

What can I say!  Don't bugger it up for the rest of us!

Glenn
> Subject: Night laning
> Author:  INTERNET:101360.3273@CompuServe.COM at CSERVE
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 61 lines)]
> 81 Range Rover
> LINECOUNT 677 /var/mail/lro-daily.5016

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:59:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Rallies, way way off in the future

Speaking about rallies...
anyone here on the list got any contact people at LRNA??
...what we need is a rally down in Maryland...would be nice to coordinate
something with LRNA for the 50 th anniversary 
Just a thought
Rgds
Steve Bradke         72 S lll 88 ( for sale)
                            68 S lla 88
                            96 Discovery

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:56:59 +0800
From: James Mercer <james@mips.cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: Interesting Trivia

Hi All,

I was poking around on the Car World Connect (http://www.erack.com/car)
and found an 
interesting bit of trivia:

        "The very last leaf-sprung Land Rover Series III was built five
years after
	the model went out of production.  The occasion was the 1990 ITV
Telethon, 
	when Land Rover Parts supplied every component for two teams to build a
	brand-new 'old' Landie each.  A Lincolnshire dealer team beat an Army
team, 
	so the squaddies' green 88-inch Land Rover end up in the history books
as 
	the last Series III every built"

Does anyone see this, or know what happened to these vehicles?

Just curious,
James
-- 

+-------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
|James Mercer                         | Ph:  +61 9 360 2790           |
|Professional Officer                 | Fax: +61 9 360 2941           |
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|South St, Murdoch         | Email: james@cs.murdoch.edu.au           |
|Perth, Western Australia  | WWW: http://www.cs.murdoch.edu.au/~james
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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Frozen clutches
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:52:00 PST

You could have someone else sit in the middle seat and work a pedal for you, 
clutch in UK or throttle in US. Easier than growing the third leg :^)
 ----------

Quintin writes:

>Step 7  Floor the throttle and as the engine comes up towards its torque
>peak ( about 25 mph? ) depress clutch and with clutch depressed, and
>throttle floored..........SLAM on the brakes.

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:05:34 +0000
From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: LPG gas conversion!

Does anyone know who does LPG conversions for Landys in the UK?
After the budget I need to think of something to reduce fuel costs. 

Mick Forster
School of Computing
Staffordshire University
Trent Building
Leek Road
Stoke-on-Trent
ST4 2AZ
Tel: 01782 294255
email: cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:35:34 +0100
Subject:       Re: help my rover come home

Saw your message. Isn't it possible (and cheaper) to repair (or 
ajust) the brakes and clutch of the beast and drive it home on it's 
own power?????

Just my 2 cents worth.

Huub Pennings

P.S. might even consider hiring an expert mechanic for 
diagnostics and advice.

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Subject: Re: Interesting Trivia
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:02:05 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>"The very last leaf-sprung Land Rover Series III was built five
>years afterthe model went out of production.  The occasion was the 1990 ITV
>Telethon, when Land Rover Parts supplied every component for two teams to 
build a
>	brand-new 'old' Landie each.  A Lincolnshire dealer team beat an Army
>team, so the squaddies' green 88-inch Land Rover end up in the history books
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>as the last Series III every built"
>Does anyone see this, or know what happened to these vehicles?

If I remember correctly - this Vehicle was mentioned and pictured in a 
recent edition of LROI a couple of months back - I think the present 
owner of the vehicle did not know its history

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Subject: Re: UK towing
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:02:01 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

Towing 'dead' cars/trucks in UK . . .

Bill Leackock was right about it having to be taxed and insured, that 
stands for any vehicle on the road, whether its moving or not, even 
parked cars, if they are on the road and not private property are subject 
to these regulations.

There are dispensations under certain circumstances, eg if a  vehicle has 
been off the road and MOT (Ministry of Transport vehicle test 
certificate) and tax has run out for restoration etc. you are allowed to 
drive the vehicle to a testing centre if the test has been pre-booked, 
and as an extra precaution you should inform your local Police, but the 
vehicle MUST be insured and then driven straight home afterwards until 
you have obtained a Tax disc.

Also there are new regulations coming in to force regarding towing in UK, 
the Ministry of Transport wanted everyone who towed trailers, horse boxes 
etc to take a further test and have this detailed on their driving 
licenses. They then wussed out slightly when they realised that this 
would be an enourmous task, re-testing every driver that may tow 
something, no matter how seldom would take months if not years. So now 
only new drivers will be subject to these laws!?!  -  Good British Civil 
Service Logic at its best.

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:19:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: UK towing

Also there are new regulations coming in to force regarding towing in UK,
>the Ministry of Transport wanted everyone who towed trailers, horse boxes
>etc to take a further test
..And where horse boxes are concerned who is going to test the tester?
Towing livestock is a totally different ballgame to towing a dead weight.
Has anyone yet made any sense of the new towing regs?No good asking the
cops,they've got it round their necks as well."Sure constable,I'll get
one of the horses out,you're going to stand and hold it are you,until
I come back for it?"
Reason I ask is because when my V5 came back from Swansea after
change of taxation class,they'd altered the weight from something
about right unladen to 3499kg laden! In proper money that's a laden
weight of 3 1/2 TONS near enough.In a 88"? Bullshit.
Now,does this work to my advantage under the new towing regs,and shall
I leave it alone,or vice-versa and should I give Swansea some advice
and tell them to get it right?
Mike Rooth

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Fitting Kenlowe Hotstart to 110TD
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 11:50:00 PST

Has anyone out there fitted a Kenlowe Hotstart to a 110 turbo diesel? A 
friend is about to do this and would appreciate advice on where to mount the 
unit and where to route the hoses.

It was a lot easier on my 110 which has a Kenlowe fan instead of the direct 
drive fan, acres of room to play with :-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT

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