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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:01:48 -0500
Subject: Re: 4-wheel steering?

In a message dated 96-11-22 08:30:39 EST, you write:

>  on the same side, install the axle housing keeping 
>  left/right same but turn it upside down so the diff
>  points forwards rather than turning it left-to-right.

One difficulty, the swivel pins are inclined 7 deg top in and 3 deg top back
(castor). When you flip the axle they will be inclined top out. You really
should keep the original geometry so a modified housing with the diff section
swapped around would be the way to go. Otherwise not a bad idea. Another
implementation would be to use a hydraulic cylinder for right/left acuation
of the rear wheels controled by a valve in the cab, with pressure provided by
a 12v pump. Much easier then cranking on a lever.  In colder climates a snow
plow dealer could set you up. In any case a really solid center position
lockout is mandatory.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:30:55 -0500
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 96-11-22 07:16:26 EST, you write:

<< ~10 miles from chassis and I pass a UH
 center that, had I adhered to the 7p's, probably would have saved me a lot
 of aggravation by picking up the dolly here. >>
Actually, things would have still screwed up. We ARE talking U Haul you know.
Same thing happened to me when I picked up my trailer in Westport CT "I don't
see your reservation...."
I had spent 2 hours on the phone confirming it with him just the previous
day.
And you're right, the GW bridge is a BITCH to cross when loaded down.

Glad you made it alive !
Oh what we do for our beloved beasts..
Alex Maiolo

69 IIA 9 (ex-Conecticut)
89 Rangie

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Camel 96 winners
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:14:57 -0700 (MST)

Lloyd Allison pointed out to me some time ago that he had not been able 
to find the names of the Camel Trophy winners in press accounts.  Since 
then I have been watching closely.  The American and British accounts are 
amazingly ethnocentric, mentioning in passing that a Greek team won but 
giving no names.

Well, somebody finally got it right.  Ken Freund's article in FOUR WHEELER
(Dec.) names the Greeks:  Miltos Farmakis and Nikos Sotirchos.  (They also
won the new "Land Rover Award" for the highest score in driving tasks.)
Team Spirit award went to South Africans Sam De Beer and Pieter du 
Plessis.  Special Tasks Award went to Russians Alexei Svirkov and Dmitriy 
Surin.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:48:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Safari roof pros and cons (bumps on 88s)

Tom replys to Dave's search for wisdom:
> Is it an 88? If so, the trop roof is olny sheet metal rivited to the 
>  the other roof, with some screws & spacers for the edges.
>  If a 109, you have the roof vent bumps on the trop.

Our '60 88 SW has roof vent bumps on the awning. Also, the optional parts
cat. for IIA/III shows bumps on both 88 and 109. But I think I've also seen
awnings without bumps.

More trivia that makes LRs so facinating.

Regards,
David Cockey
 

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:22:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: UK Registration info

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Christopher Weinbeck wrote:

> the exchange of money & vehicle/paperwork -after much recent discussion as
> to the /easiest/ way for me to register my truck in the U.S.A. it has come
> out that they do not have either a bill of sale or a signed over
> registration for me.  It was /my/ responsibility to get such, they now say.

	They sound incompetent.  Where is the paperwork associated with
	the shipping?  If they refuse to produce, refuse to pay anymore.  
	Name them...  Not that many LR people on the east coast who do
	this kind of thing.

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:28:13 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Hub nuts

>turns out the nut od is the same as on IH Scout '73-77, and the tool is
>avail. from JCW for $10, cool!

I'll sell you my J.C.Whitless tool for $.02.  That's about what it's worth.  
The thing is made from *sheet metal*, not forged (or much less
stamped) like a proper tool.  If you have an over-tightened nut from a P.O., 
it'll strip out the first time.  Buy a *proper* socket.  As Mr. Natural 
says, "The right tool for the right job."

BTW, the spindle nut lock tab washer as made by International Harvester is 
superior to the Rover one.  Ask for IH part #860291R1.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:28:17 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Mid-Atlantic pics

I'm getting the next newsletter together and would like to include a few 
photos of the Mid-Atlantic rally.  I had the opportunity to take, like *two* 
photos the whole weekend.  Anway, if you have one or two really good shots 
and want a by-line drop 'em in the post to me at the address in the 
sig.block below:  TIA  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: HAMBLYDAVE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 01:56:28 -0500
Subject: Green Laning in Surrey.......

Dear All,

Here is a web page well worth a visit if you need something to make you
smile!  Last week we went for a gentle days green laning in Surrey, England,
where there are many gentle, non-challenging, non-damaging lanes - just a bit
of mud and a few ruts!

How the hell did we do this much damage!!

http://members.aol.com/IanHaggis/hhrsspec.html

Enjoy.........

Regards,

Dave

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:34:03 -0500
Subject: RE: Leaky master cilinder

On 2/24/96 Marc Rengers said:
>These strange things happen! It happend on my 88". Very strange!

>This TCDIBIS-priciple can be usefull! (The Car Does It By It Self)
>I only filled it up after I cleaned the slafe-cilinder at the gearbox. 
>And it still works!

Marc, I know what you mean.  Day before yesterday, my 88" "threw up" in a
friends driveway - dropped about a pint of coolant onto his driveway.  I
opened the bonnet, and sure enough, coolant was coming from somewhere in the
front of the engine - I couldn't be sure where, so decided to add some
coolant (I always carry a couple of gallons - just to help others of course,
BB member and all that...) and drive the 8 miles home to the garage, good
lighting, etc.. All this time, I'm thinking that I've got to drive this lump
to Boston tomorrow.  The upshot is, I couldn't get it to do it again.  And I
drove all the way to Boston and the coolant level stayed just where it
belongs.  Flat out, 65 all the way, at least on the steeper downhills,  and
not a drop was spilled. 

Go figure...
Happy Rovering!

Doug (Baffled in Boston) Scott, 
2 ea. '72 SIII SWB, and charter member of the BB

  

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:03:43 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: four wheel steering

funny you should raise that

Mal Story has an experimental vehicle
called the Sidewinder with 4 wheel steering.
The rear axle can be steered independently of the front
by hydraulics - in low range only, of course.
The vehicle can turn tightly or "crab".
Picture in a few days on
   http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/4WD.html

Lloyd

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:28:13 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>

Hi All,
> I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
>to me with a delco internally regulated Altenator.  However I there seem to 
>be a regulator (original) attached to the passanger side bulk head. ( a small 
>silver relay)  Was the 1971 built with a Altenator or a generator originally?
>What & where was the regulator mounted by the factory?  
 
 Car doctor..    What is the number on the regulator, it is probably an RB
340 or 310 which is the regulator for the original dynamo that was fitted.
If it is a TR2 then it  is the rgulator for an unregulated type alternator
type 15 or 16 AC  ( not ACR  which is the regulated type ) 
 Fitting an alternator makes the RB reg redundant, but it can be a
convenient point to link the wires for the change.

  Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:48:01 -0500
Subject: Anti-freeze type

Hello all,
I'm about to replace the anti-freeze in my radiator (because it is now winter
here in Florida) and I saw an ad for non-toxic anti-freeze.

Has anyone on the list died from drinking their old, high tocicity
anti-freeze? I'm curious as to why exactly they offer non-toxic
anti-freeze... perhaps its a new flavor of Kool-Ade developed in Guyana?

pat"my engine better not feeze in Miami"parsons

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:57:55 -0500
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

'Scuuuuussseee me!

The "original" wrench from RN and other sources is sheet metal, just like the
JC Whitless.  Ya just pay more.

BTW, if you require a "real" socket (ala drop forged) you must have had
"Aarnald" tighten the stub nuts.  If so, you probably have cracked the
bearings and the race.  Remember, you only want to tighten enough to preload
the bearings, not torque down 'til nothing moves.

FWIW,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA 

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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:32:38 +0000
Subject: Re: PO Modifications

> Date:          Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:17:08
> From:          CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> X-To:          lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:       PO Modifications

> Hi All,
>  I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> Alt.  However my 1971 seem to be lacking that type of regularor to rewire. 
>  I have to admit that the manuals I have do not make the location & 
> description of this relay clear.

I know dynamos were fitted to '67 vehicles but don't know how long 
after they changed over.  The relay you describe however does not 
sound like a regulator box.  My old '67 had a big black box with a 
spring retained cover.  Opening this cover reveals two relays (One to 
regulate current, the other to regulate voltage I think) along with 
some other componants mounted to a circuit board.  The relays have 
adjustable contacts (you are supposed to use a special tool to change 
these along with some other test gear).

What you describe sounds more like a lighting relay (I have two of 
these on the passenger side bulkhead of my lightweight)

> Thanks for the help.
>  I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
> Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Alan Jardine,  ATD.

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:27:02 -0500
Subject: Re: "Not from me, it isn't (again)..."

There was a young lad named Quentin,
Who's Landy's frame the rust went in.
Sent it out for a dip- a total immerse.
It came out all stript, he blurted a verse:
"That has good money spent in!"

-----------
I'll seek help.....
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:41:48
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: test don't read

Hi no email for two days.  Just checking.

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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:20:15 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Digest down?

Are *both* digests down?  In the past, it's usually one or the other.  Do 
they both "live" on one machine now?

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:27:37 -0500
Subject: Stateside company?

You wrote "Well, it wasn't so much the shipper.  It's a stateside Rover
company that
I've been dealing with.  They arranged everything (?) and delivered the
truck to me."

That wasn't our friends in Atlanta by any chance was it?

Gerry 
PHX  AZ

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:18:08 -0500
Subject: Re: "Not from me, it isn't..."

"second time through the course", and I need to change something. Just need
to add one "prepositionally adverbial" (?) word....

There was a young lad named Quentin,
Who's Landy's frame the rust went in.
Sent it out for a dip- a total immerse.
It came out all stript, he blurted a verse:
"That has good been money spent in!"

jim
jdolan2109@aol.com

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From: Glenn_Rees@PARLON2.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM
Date: 25 Nov 96 04:06:41 EST
Subject: Re: Night laning

Richard

As I recall, ALL the BOAT's in the Box Hill/Headley common area, have got 
TRO's on them, and have done for years. If you are sure the lane is open to 
all traffic, then report the matter to the RoW Officer at Kingston, not 
just the police.

What can I say!  Don't bugger it up for the rest of us!

Glenn
> Subject: Night laning
> Author:  INTERNET:101360.3273@CompuServe.COM at CSERVE
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> 81 Range Rover
> LINECOUNT 677 /var/mail/lro-daily.5016

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