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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:44:34 -500
Subject: No Looking Back

When you remove social shackles and strike out for freedom in your 
109, don't forget to first clean out the bank account.  The cash makes
a nice seat cushion.  Remember the ad of the man motorcycling to 
work.  Rides past work site, yanks off tie, smiles, and keeps on riding.  
I am told this is a male midlife hunter-gatherer characteristic that one
gets over.  But wait!  I don't want to get over this.  I mean, it feels pretty
good.  Why would I rush "Guinness time".  Am I the only one who has
these thoughts?  What's it like to strike out alone in a LR full of worldly
possessions.  M

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:01:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: UK Registration info

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, 
>I'm hoping that someone in the U.K. could tell me about the possibility of
>getting a copy of the registration, or even just a phone # for the proper
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>agency.  
>Any suggestions or opinions appreciated.
Well, I can't help on the UK side, but so long as the vehicle is legally in the 
country, I can help on this side.  Just got a mailing from "Broadway Title Co." 
 1-800-464-3222  e-mail: NLAIII@aol.com  
web: http://users.aol.com/fordmoval/broadway.html

I haven't spoken with them but I've used similar services before.  You end up 
selling your vehicle to these people, who is a dealer in a state with easier 
titling laws.  They then register it and sell it back to you.  You now don't 
have a title, but an official bill of sale and a transferrable registration 
(they even give you the plate).  You just walk into the local DMV, tell them 
that you bought this truck in Alabama or Georgia from a dealer and that you'd 
like to register it.  It then becomes a routine transaction for the DMV, at 
least in NY. Give these people a call, it might get you out of a bind.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:01:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Aerials on landrovers

On 21 Nov 96, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> 
wrote:

>>Oh, so that's why I don't have any AM reception....
>>Eric
>First off, why would you want any?

Only way to get NPR news during the day.
>Secondly, it's probably more all the fluoresent fixtures inside the back 
>buggering it up - those things are impossible to shield.
>First off, why would you want any?

Even when they're turned off?

>The Buick V8 shouldn't be all that bad unless the decoupling caps your Rover 
>was built with have gone away - they do rot out after a while.
>First off, why would you want any?
Decoupling caps?  I'm no EE, please describe...

Eric

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:17:08
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: PO Modifications

Hi All,
 I have to ask for help finishing the PO modifications. My 1971 LR(88) came 
to me with a delco internally regulated Altenator.  However I there seem to 
be a regulator (original) attached to the passanger side bulk head. ( a small 
silver relay)  Was the 1971 built with a Altenator or a generator originally?
What & where was the regulator mounted by the factory?  
 As you may have guessed I am have a problem with the charging system. The 
wiring direction have helped me rewire the regulator/generator to a delco 
Alt.  However my 1971 seem to be lacking that type of regularor to rewire. 
 I have to admit that the manuals I have do not make the location & 
description of this relay clear.

Thanks for the help.

       

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:25:05 +0200
From: Frank Bokhorst <bokkie@uctvms.uct.ac.za>
Subject: 4-wheel steering?

This is something I dreamed up to improve low-speed
maneouverability on a Series LR...  Sound crazy?
Any comments?

Basically, you fit a front axle in place of the rear
axle.  Since the diff is not a hypoid bevel, it can
turn both ways.  To keep the offset of the driveshaft
on the same side, install the axle housing keeping 
left/right same but turn it upside down so the diff
points forwards rather than turning it left-to-right.  
Some modification to the spring mounts on the axle 
housing would be required.  Fix up a suitable linkage 
to the driver's cab. 

Operate the rear-wheel steering by means of a single
lever (situated next to the handbrake lever) in the 
cab with just three positions: Normally locked in
central position for rear wheels straight ahead to be
used for street driving, etc.  Push down to turn rear 
wheels left. Pull up to turn rear wheels right.  

This way a) you can execute a very tight turn over
difficult terrain, and b) you could park sideways (!)
in town if you turn the front and rear wheels in the
same direction.  

For Series I vehicles that have the original
halfshafts, this would also dispense with the need
to fit the stronger fully-floating shafts.

Frank Bokhorst       personal e-mail: bokkie@psipsy.uct.ac.za
University of Cape Town

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:27:08 GMT
Subject:       Re: Antenna bases (mod) 

Richard, if you really want one (or 2 including the side mount on a 
pole type) Brooklyn eng. Chandlers Ford, usually have them in stock.

>.
Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:29:12 +0000
Subject: Night laning

\>
\>So off we trolled - drifting along at about 15 - 20 mph  over a heath
\>between Box Hill and Headley.  Driving through some bush branches
\>that were half sticking out over the track there was an almighty
\>crash and our peace was shattered by a 3ft log coming through the
\>windscreen.
\>
\>I skidded to a stop, really trying to work out exactly what had
\\>happened for 10 seconds or so, then we got out to see where the log
>had come from.
>\
>\Thankfully the windscreen was laminated as it absorbed a lot of the
\>blow - if it had been a toughened screen I probably would have been
\>hurt.  As it was my hand got grazed by the windscreen being pushed
\>onto my hand which was steering at the time but nothing else.
\>
\>At this point in the track there are NO TREES.  Light bushes about
\>six foot high bordering the track, a few saplings but NO TREES.
\>
\>We had a quick look around but could find no explanation for what had
\\>happened. All we can think is that there was a nutter up there who
\\>threw the log at the vehicle and promptly legged it, or someone had
\\>rigged up some sort of a trap for vehicles.  There are no houses for
\>miles around and unfortunately we had left Daves dog at home so we
\>really didn't know what was going on.  We kicked the rest of the
\>screen out and finished the lane before driving home.

My guess would be agricultural livestock poachers. These guys are not 
quiant yokels anymore, but ruthless military-style gangs. You maybe 
looked like a farmer disturbing them in mid-operation........

>I phoned the police this morning to let them know but they didn't
>seem particularly interested!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>81 Range Rover
>------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 8:38:23 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Clunk, Clunk: GEAR ROLLOVER?

Normal? what kind of morons are you dealing with? A violent drivetrain 
clunk is not normal and should be checked thoroughly before something big 
lets go at highway speed. Don't let them explain away your troubles. Make 
them earn their money and insist that it be repaired at once.Can you 
believe it ?! Spend $30,000 on a vehicle and still get no service!
Boy, hearing stories like this really makes me want one of those 
newfangled Defenders like a hole in the head.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:37:40 -0500
From: Don Scott <101364.3474@compuserve.com>
Subject: DVLA number in UK

Chris

This agency should be able to help

DVLA phone number in uk is

 Country Code 44
area               1792
Phone            772134

Opening hours 8:15 am to 4:30 pm  Monday to Friday   UK time    (  EST + 5

Don Scott
LR/RR/Disco/Jaguar Hybrid
RHE 7

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 8:59:00 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: 4-wheel steering?

I think Frank has too much time on his hands.
Maybe he should talk to those guys who put tank tracks on their Rovers.

All in good fun, but honestly, given enough time energy and money, you 
can do anything. Go for it and send us the pictures.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:01:08 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: No Looking Back

At  7:44 AM 11/22/96 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
;
> What's it like to strike out alone in a LR full of worldly
>possessions.  M
;
I'll let you know when I get back from my 10 week combined sabatical/vacation.

I'll be going when I get some minor work done on the 109 (exterior painted,
Salisbury rear installed, new front left fuel tank outrigger installed and
front left fuel tank reinstalled, new exhaust manifold installed, head work
so that the #3 cylinder has more than 5 pounds compression, pipe my propane
tank to the stove & broiler, new alternator & mounts, replace all weather
stripping, add complete new interior).  I never realized that freedom was
so complicated.

It'll be 10 weeks, a girl in her 109, with her Irish Wolfhound for company,
and her camera to record the best that Western US National Parks have to
offer.

ANticipation has got to be at least as fun as the doing...but hopefully not
more fun.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:10:09 -0500
Subject: Re: "Stone of Scone ("lia Fail")

I doubt that rock in the back of the D110 was "lia Fail". It's sitting
comfortably under the Coronation Chair in Westminster. The last time it went
"out" I believe it was Robert the Bruce who filched it. Then, as now, the
world would be 'turned on it's head' to get it back.... It should go back to
Tara where it belongs, I'd think a 127 or a FC might suffice.............
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:10:53 -0500
Subject: Stripping...

I heard of a fellow who had his MG something or other stripped in such a
fashion. They apparently also offer an 'immersion' primering process as well.
He didn't avail himself of that oppurtunity, and by the time he got to
priming the vehicle, it was entirely rust scaled (in and out). If they offer
that step in the process, you might want to opt for it...
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Nov 96  8:36:27 EST
Subject: Re: PO Modifications

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: 4-wheel steering?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 14:25:00 PST

Turning the axle upside down will cause some problems when you need to 
change the oil!

I also wonder how many insurance companies would be prepared to cover such a 
highly modified vehicle.

If you need that much maneuverability buy a 101, with trailer they can turn 
inside the length of the combined unit.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (more like a turning orbit than a turning 
circle :-))

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Nov 96  9:24:12 EST
Subject: How long is an LR chassis?

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:34:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Stripping...

According to Redy-strip they now apply a "water soluble" rust retardent after
stuff has ben stripped. Time will tell.
Rgds Quintin

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:54:00 -0500
From: William Mitchell <bill@whm-atty.com>
Subject: Import from UK to USA

Any recent experiences/advice on importing a Series Rover from the UK to
the USA?  I live in Massachusetts and would need customs brokers, etc.
in the Northeast.  Thanks.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Mitchell, Jr.          e-mail:  bill@whm-atty.com
ph:  (413) 256-0600               fx:  (413) 256-0654
------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: Re: "Stone of Scone ("lia Fail")
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 14:56:00 PST

It was the rock from under the coronation chair in Westminster that was 
supposedly in the back of the 110. It was previously 'filched' in the 1950's 
(before my time, can't remember the exact date) by some students. It is 
unclear whether the original was returned after this incident. Maybe the 
English know it's a fake and that's why they're letting the Scots have it 
back. If you want to see it in future you'll have to go to Edinburgh Castle 
where it will be on show beside the Scottish Crown Jewels.

Saw the Coldstream ceremony on the news again this morning, it was 
definately a 110, not a 130.
 ----------
From: JDolan2109
Subject: Re: "Stone of Scone ("lia Fail")
Date: 22 November 1996 09:10

I doubt that rock in the back of the D110 was "lia Fail". It's sitting
comfortably under the Coronation Chair in Westminster. The last time it went
"out" I believe it was Robert the Bruce who filched it. Then, as now, the
world would be 'turned on it's head' to get it back.... It should go back to
Tara where it belongs, I'd think a 127 or a FC might suffice.............
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:01:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: No Looking Back

On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) wrote:
>At  7:44 AM 11/22/96 -0500, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:
>;
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>> What's it like to strike out alone in a LR full of worldly
>>possessions.  M

Speaking from personal experience (and also as a confirmed pack-rat) a 109 gets 
really small during the winter.  After realizing that I didn't have to take any 
more classes in Jan. of '95, I packed up my apartment and went west. A couple 
things to take into account:
1) if you think you probably won't need it, leave it at home (or in storage).  
Most specialized equiment can be either bought, begged, borrowed or rented along 
the way.
2) bring lots of music selections...country music gets old really fast.
3) Get off the bloody interstates...much more interesting!
4) bring highway flares...the LR tail-lights are bad enough as it is, trying to 
work underneath the thing during the winter, at night, on the side of the road 
with nothing but those pitiful lights warning anyone behond is a recipie for 
disaster.
5) bring lots of duct tape to seal all the drafts ... bring several rolls :)

Anyway, there's my $.02  Have fun!

Eric

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: How long is an LR chassis?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:46:31 +0100 (MET)

| How long is an 88 chssis, anyway?
About 80cm shorter than your 109 => ~3.5m
Should stick out about 1.6m at the back.

cu.
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 07:09:46 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Import from UK to USA

At  9:54 AM 11/22/96 -0500, William Mitchell wrote:
;
>Any recent experiences/advice on importing a Series Rover from the UK to
>the USA?  I live in Massachusetts and would need customs brokers, etc.
>in the Northeast.  Thanks.
;
According to my current understanding, you can bring in a presmog just
about anything with no problems,  If the car is over 25 years old but in a
year that requires SMOG tests, you need to get the car to pass SMOG before
you can register it.  If the car is newer than 25 years old it needs to be
a US spec car.  This means series I, II and all but late IIAs are no
brainers.  Late IIAs & series IIIs requires SMOG equipment.

At the Other end...

Richard Brownlee (101360.3273@compuserve.com) lives in Surrey , a little
south of London.  He is knowledgable in Land Rovers.  As a side job he will
search out the best deal on the car you want and check it out mechanically.
I believe he can also arrange shipping from the UK end.

He located Walter's new Dormobile.  He's also a nice guy to deal with.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com

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From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:27:24 -0500
Subject: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

turns out the nut od is the same as on IH Scout '73-77, and the tool is avail. from
JCW for $10, cool! what does RN want for theirs? $50? $60? :)
rgds
Jan

> >is there a special 2 1/16 deep socket for the spindle nuts.  if you
> >don't have one, how do you take them off?? if you have one, could i
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Later
> Dave B.

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:28:23 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Stripping...

>According to Redy-strip they now apply a "water soluble" rust retardent after
>stuff has ben stripped. Time will tell.
>Rgds Quintin
Sounds like Belzona to me.Made in the UK,but marketed strongly in the
States,I beleive.And expensive.......
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:17:29 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield - System Manager (SERCO) X492)
Subject: Chaaarrgggeeee ! 

Subject: Tailgating (sorry, yes, again)

rsloan@titan.liunet.edu writes

> It's a dirty world out there, and sometimes you've got to fight back.  A
> 101 recoiless rifle is the trick.  Mount that sucker in the back...
> It might help getting up those long hills too

But if it was recoiless would it help up the hills ? :-)

Subject: Re: Jump starting a positive ground vehicle

"Bert P. Krages" <krages@teleport.com> says

> :) I need to what precautions must be taken when jump starting a positive
> :) ground vehicle using a negative ground vehicle.
> Just connect the batteries (+ to +, - to -) .....
> Running the engine would avoid two standing cars with empty batteries

I was always told jump starting another car with your engine running would 
overload the diode pack in the alternator (assuming you don't have a 
high-output alternator rated for charging 2 batts)

It probably wont fry the diodes, but their life will be reduced.
I always jump start others with my engine off and just make sure mine is always 
well charged. eg: external charger periodically especially during winter.

Have never tried jump starting from a car with a dynamo (generator) so I don't 
know the effects of a double battery load on these. The last car I had with a 
dynamo was a mini 1000 ... But, I know a dynamo will not charge a dischaged 
battery, they tend to maintain whatever charge there is in the battery.

Comments ??

Cheers, Enjoy the weekend

Paul.

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:44:30 +0200
From: jros@argus.co.za (Jonathan Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: 4-wheel steering?

There is a much simpler alternative - drive around for a few years until
one of the centre bolts on the rear axle shears - then drive some more so
the axle is way out of line.
The car then grabs beautifully and is a dream to park - but only in one
direction.

>This is something I dreamed up to improve low-speed
>maneouverability on a Series LR...  Sound crazy?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>central position for rear wheels straight ahead to be
>used for street driving, etc.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
| Jonathan  Rosenthal
| Industrial Reporter
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
| Tel: (011) 633-2638
| Fax: (011) 838-2693
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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:22:47 +0000
Subject: Re: 4-wheel steering?

> This is something I dreamed up to improve low-speed
> maneouverability on a Series LR...  Sound crazy?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> axle.  Since the diff is not a hypoid bevel, it can
> turn both ways.  To keep the offset of the driveshaft

There was a picture in one of the recent LR mags of a trialler with 
front and rear steering.  I'll see if I can find it tonight and give 
details.

Alan Jardine,  ATD.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:38:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastwood Company's Fuel Tank Sealant Kit

In a message dated 96-11-22 03:52:33 EST, you write:

>Here in New York State (probably other places, too) there is a company
>called ReNuzit (or something like that) that supposedly dis-assembles the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Cheers
>Mike Loiodice

The process is called Gas tank- re-nu USA. have nationwide dealser look under
radiators or gas tanks in the yellow pages.
   They unsolder the skid plate,  cut a hole in one end of the tank,  sand
blast in & out weld in a patch  for the hole they just cut..coat inside and
out and bake.  The process is guaranteed forever and warranty is good
nationwide.  Warranty not affected by offroad use, at least thats what I was
told, but I really don't have to worry too much about that right?
     However it will cost  around $ 200 to have it done..Lots of municipal
agencies and antique autos  use this process. You can still use the drain
plug with no ill effects..
I would either go for a new tank and aqnticipate the same problem again or do
this once and be done with it....
Rgds
Steve Bradke     72 S lll 88 ( for sale )
                        68 S lla 88
                       96 Discovery

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:01:56 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

ben@bell-labs.com wrote:
> turns out the nut od is the same as on IH Scout '73-77, and the tool is avail. from
> JCW for $10, cool! what does RN want for theirs? $50? $60? :)
> rgds

I seem to recall this came up a year or so ago and the conclusion was:

Do you want a "sheet metal" tool or a real tool?

cheers

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:31:05 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Naked? Dear God no!

Someone mentioned there was nudity in the new issue of LROI?  I can't 
find a copy anywhere to verify the claim...

"If censorship has it's way, then I'd want to be a censor, they'd be the 
only ones who'd get to see or read all the good stuff..."
-Ray Bradbury (I think?)

Rich
D90, nowhere even near empty!

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:56:54 GMT
From: cbemail@mindspring.com (Christopher Buckley)
Subject: Re: Naked? Dear God no!

Y'know, I'm looking to buy my first Rover right now, so I've been reading
LROI cover to cover for several months.

While I have found no nudity, I have to admit I HAVE been (ahem,) aroused,
by the naked chassis, dirty business, mud wrestling, light bondage, and
explicit photos of these vehicles.

OK,

CIB

***********************

"When the going gets weird,
  the weird turn pro."
                -- Dr. H.S. Thompson

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:06:43 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Extend

There was a thread about EXtend....the rust preventative, a while back.

Someone mentioned at what kind of paint dealer you could order it in
bulk.....Sherwin-Williams?  Pratt-Lambert?

If you can remember any of this, or the cheapest place to buy it, it
would be appreciated.
So if anyone in S. Ontario wants to share some, let me know.

Thanks, Ian

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:11:59 +0000
From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Subject: Ignition coils

Seems to be an ongoing problem........there's not a heck of a lot of
spark coming from the coil.   When I pull the wires and hold it to the
block while running (the engine, not me)  there is a weak sort of spark,
but not what I'd expect.  

 As a result (I think) it's hard to get started in the AM, but when warm
runs pretty well.   Any ideas?

BTW I assume I have it hooked up correctly, -ve to the contact breaker,
+ve to the ignition switch.   The resistance across the coils is 57K
ohms, which according to Rovers north is in the ball park.

I have read that nothing should be hooked up to the coil besides those
two wires, but it makes no difference if I take off a) the tach wires
(2) and b) the solenoid shutoff wire

Thanks, Ian

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:23:49 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: How long is an LR chassis?

Al Richer asks about hauling a chassis on the back of his 109 PU instead of
towing:

>Opinions?

1) Very economical for YOU Al.  We *all* know you won't have to purchase
any lumber to build the cradle and ramps -- you'll just use all that extra
walnut from grain matching the dashboard.

2) You might scratch the paint in the bed.  Are you mentally prepared?

;-)

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	Guidance Counselor said your scores are anti-heroic.
	Computer recommends hard-drinking calypso poet.
	--Jimmy Buffett, If It All Falls Down (by Matt Betton)

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:06:06 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Nudity in LR mags... (Confused)

At 07:05 PM 11/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>What brought this up? What are you talking about? Did I miss an earlier
>message? Seriously, am I not receiving all LRO-list messages, or is this a
>cross post from another list, or was it intended as a private reply?

I seem to have missed it too, which worries me...  The thought of missing
something land roverish is too horrible to contemplate!

>BTW, let's not have a free speech discussion/debate in this forum. I have my
>own opinions which I will share if prompted, but this forum should be 

Too true.  (But you don't know how hard it is for me to keep my mouth shut!)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

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sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 14:11:57 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: How long is an LR chassis?

>I nedd to move an 88 chassis to my home. Rather than rent a dolly with all of 
>the intemediate stupidities, I just had the brilliant idea of transporting it 
>on the back of my 109 pickup.

>Opinions?

1.get the 19.95 Uhaul truck, chassis (about 10' long BTW) goes in the back, no 
trailer  to worry about, et voila. skip the damage waiver.

2. clamp a tow bar on the front of the chassis, hook it up and go...

3. Your idea, but maybe remove the axle and chuck it in the bed. It'll make it a
WHOLE lot easier to manuever...and to tie down as well. My chassis was 
transported on the bed of a Ford ranger small p/u, same size bed probably...

We put 2 lengths of 4x4 wider than the chassis over the top of the bed and 
strapped it down with ratchet ties (the big kind) and nailed a few blocks next 
to the chassis rails so it wouldn't slide sideways. Drove about an hour with it 
that way, no problems at all...

definitely get rid of that axle...

Dave

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 14:27:05 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Clunk, Clunk: GEAR ROLLOVER?

>Hello all. I have a '95 D90 that has developed a violent "clunk" in the
>drive train when rolling to a stop with the clutch in. I suspect that it's
>a combination of normal gear rollover and a worn emergency brake.

I had this on my SIII. Turned out to be the handbrake shoes binding, due to a 
broken spring. Why do you suspect your handbrake is worn? It is only a year 
old...

> The local
>dealership agrees and says this is normal.

Shoot him now or wait till he fixes your truck, your choice...

> Thing is, this "clunk" recently
>developed, which suggests to me that it can be fixed. Has anyone had a
>similar experience? What should be done to fix this problem.

Pull the drum off the handbrake and have a look inside. make sure the linkages 
is free and working properly.

Then let us know what you find

Later
Dave B.

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Subject: Overdrive question
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:55:25 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I have had conflicting advice concerning fitting an overdrive to a my 110.

It is an early V8 mated to the 4-speed 'box. I have seen Range Rovers 
with the same set up with overdrives fitted but not 110's.

Is it possible or not, some say yes, some say no, it may be an academic 
question as I cannot afford to do it anyway at the moment, but I would 
like to know whether it's possible or not?

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Subject: Re: Radio and CB aerials
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:55:56 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

I have a radio aerial and a CB aerial, both are wing mounted.

The Radio aerial is a short rubber thing (14 inches/35cm) mounted on the 
off-side wing, this is very flexible and takes the knocks and swipes from 
branches very well, and surprisingly gives far better reception than the 
long telescopic one that was previously fitted.

The CB aerial is mounted on the near side, this is quite long but very 
flexible. I chose to wing mount rather than roof mount because I can tuck 
it out of the way under the roof guttering when off roading. Also, having 
a long CB aerial roof mounted needs a lot of head clearance, and in an 
urban environment (London) where height restrictions for car parks etc 
abound this can be quite a nuisance.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Nov 96 14:47:01 EST
Subject: Re: How long is an LR chassis?

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:59:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: How long is an LR chassis?

On 22 Nov 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Also, you didn't see Mr. Churchill happily hauling3/4 ton of wood (an entire 

	Thought all that wood was for the panelling you were planning on
	putting on Churchill...

> I'm STILL finding random patches of sawdust from the chop saw.....

	You are brutal when you install all that fancy woodwork in the cab...
	
>     aj"No hill too steep, no ditch too deep,,,
>     no dash too tacky"r

	And we know its gonna get worse...  Lose the dice though... :-)

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Subject: Re: 24 mpg from a V8! How?
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:12:32 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

People don't believe me!!

I must say that I do not use my 110 V8 heavily, I also do not religiously 
record all mileage and petrol used and keep records of performance etc 
like I know some other V8 drivers do. Why do it, you know it drinks too 
much so why punish yourselves further.

HOWEVER, ocassionally I do try to work out what I am getting usually by 
filling up, resetting the trip-meter, then working out the figures when I 
filling up again . So there are probably fluctuations.

Earlier this year we went on holiday to Portugal, 4 people, 4 bikes, too 
much luggage etc. and over the whole holiday, including motorway driving, 
local sight seeing, fairly vigorous off roading at times, the magic 
figure on our return to London was 23.5mpg. My regular visits relatives 
in Birmingham, from South London, a round trip of c300 miles very rarely 
uses more than 58-60 litres (c22-23mpg?)

However I do at times use her for commuting IN LONDON TRAFFIC!!,  great 
for getting to where you want to go with no hassle or threats from taxis 
etc but the mpg drops to around 15-16 on a 42 mile round trip each day, 
over a week.

She's 12 years old and has 90k miles on clock. I bought her two years ago 
and I have made no modifications other than basic maintenance. I service 
her every 6 months to Landrover Service Schedule and using best available 
parts. I run on 235/85/16 BFG Trac Edges and use unleaded fuel. I have 
replaced the vacuum advance, Starter motor, Power steering unit, Split 
Charge Unit, I overhauled the ignition system when I bought her and had 
her tuned at the same time, although I now tune her myself at service 
time, I may not be as accurate as the professionals but I save myself 
60quid at time using my own timing light and multi-tester. Other than 
that she's no different to when she left Solihull.

I do have a Kenlowe fan ready to be fitted, but I don't know how that 
will affect the performance yet. I'm sure other V8 drivers must be 
getting similar figures, I cannot be the only one.

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW (24mpg)
__________________________________

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:25:23 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Aerials on landrovers

Richard Marsden wrote:
> We seem to have some kinf of consensus in a way that FWHs don't give us!
> a.) I can mount an aerial pretty much anywhere
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
> > http://www.dmv.com/~iceland
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

I wouldn't worry too much about mounting your antenna on the fender.  I 
have my 2 meter ham antenna there and it works just as well as anywhere 
else on the body except then I had it mounted on a corner of the safari 
roof rack.  Go for it.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 16:32:12 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Safari roof pros and cons

Ive already checked this out with some other folks...

What are the advantages of a Safari roof?

I like the originaltiy of my truck and i don't want to mees with it a lot, but I
like the Safari roof too...

So:

Is one worth $250 US or thereabouts? I could save a bit of that by trading my 
standard roof. 
Also there is a 1"hole on the back of the roof above the left rear window, and a
2" wide u-shaped cutout on the back edge of the sunsheet just above the 1" hole 
(apparently an antenna mount from a PO). The hole was sealed up by the present 
owner and the roof is said to be mostly watertight.
Let me know so I can make an educated buy, or non-buy...

Dave B.

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:41:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Safari roof pros and cons

On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

> What are the advantages of a Safari roof?

	Keeps you cooler, vehicle doesn't turn into a sauna as fast in
	the summer.  Practical things really...  :-)  Besides, lots of
	people don't have them and you will... :-O

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:44:32 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Gearbox

>So, I need the part number for the intermediate gear in the Series I, SUFFIX
>B transfer box.

>And then of course, I need four of the gears too...

Wouter

 Intermediate gear  part no 219468 from 1948 to 1962. ser 1 and 2.
 Note this gear has the small diameter bearings and will not fit a 2 a or 3
gearbox.
 There is only one per box, not 4.
 Hope this helps 

 Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:04:52 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: I saw you!

110 sighting-traveling east on the LIE in NY on the service road around 
exit 53 on Thursday evening around 9:45 PM.  List member?  If so, next 
time you better wave back or you'll get the recoiless:)!

Rich
D90

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From: seagul@sfai.edu (Seagul)
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 14:15:29 -0800

I am having trouble unsubscribing to the list, can somebody help me with this?

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:19:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Safari roof pros and cons

Dave asks:
snip
> So:
> Is one worth $250 US or thereabouts? I could save a bit of that by trading my 
> standard roof. 

Is it an 88? If so, the trop roof is olny sheet metal rivited to the 
the other roof, with some screws & spacers for the edges.
If a 109, you have the roof vent bumps on the trop.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:21:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

In a message dated 96-11-22 12:07:29 EST, you write:

>I seem to recall this came up a year or so ago and the conclusion was:
>Do you want a "sheet metal" tool or a real tool?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Do you want a "sheet metal" tool or a real tool?
>cheers

I recently used this very tool from JCW and couldnt detect any difference
Worked fine for me
Rgds
Steve Bradke

------------------------------

From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:21:16 -0500
Subject: Re: 2 1/16 socket for hub nuts.

In a message dated 96-11-22 12:07:29 EST, you write:

>I seem to recall this came up a year or so ago and the conclusion was:
>Do you want a "sheet metal" tool or a real tool?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Do you want a "sheet metal" tool or a real tool?
>cheers

I recently used this very tool from JCW and couldnt detect any difference
Worked fine for me
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:24:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Safari roof pros and cons

I wrote:
> Is it an 88? If so, the trop roof is olny sheet metal rivited to the 
> the other roof, with some screws & spacers for the edges.
> If a 109, you have the roof vent bumps on the trop.
ooops. Just occured to me you were probably interested in the alpine 
windows in the safari roof and not just the second skin.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 23:06:28 UT
From: "Trevor Talbot" <fc101@msn.com>
Subject: UK. Registration No

Christopher
                The address you want is  
	.		
                DVLC.
                Swansea
                England
                SA99 1BL      Telephone   01792 772134
                                                      Ask for Customer 
Enquiries (vehicles)

    When you phone them , make sure you have all the info on the vehicle 
available ie Reg no, chassis (frame to you , )number, most important!!! Also 
details of who imported it.
     They are pretty helpful.	If I can help in any way this end let me know .

 Trevor

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:25:08 -0500 (EST)
From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck)
Subject: 109 Registration

Adrian Redmond offered suggestions

>You could try writing to / calling the DVLC (Driver and Vehicle
Good, was wondering about this.

>it could take years to get through to the right person.
Bad, was kind of expecting that.

>I would suggest posting this on the uk list, as subscribers there may
Good point -will do. (once I remember the address)

>Other avenues of investigation - do you know a good shipping agent - he
>might be able to help you through the shipping industries enquiry
>systems, the shipper / shipowner may also have a copy of the bill of
>lading - do you know when it was shipped? from which port? By which
>agent/shipping company/ship?

No, and all I know is that it left Liverpool and came into New Jersey.

>English LRO's may be able to advise of the
>investigation/claims/complaints system within the shipping trade in the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>office may be interested in a shipper whop doesn't undertake the proper
>paperwork.

Well, it wasn't so much the shipper.  It's a stateside Rover company that
I've been dealing with.  They arranged everything (?) and delivered the
truck to me.

>Maybe a call to a good shipping lawyer would help - do you know anyone
>privatly - maybe there's someone with that expertise in the US LRO net?

Similar thoughts had occured to me -in fact they threatened me with legal
action when I balked at the fee (35% higher than "the most it ever cost").
They seemed to think I was sour on the truck, which I bought unseen over the
phone, and was blaming them.  For the money the truck is great, the receipt,
transportation, importation and arrangements seem WAY overpriced at this point.
(seeing as it could be considered impossible to register!)

>This sort of indifferent bad service really gets my wind up - I am sorry
>that I can't offer more concrete advice.

Hey, any advice at this point is bound to help.

>Just find out who to sue, and threaten to do so!
>Good luck Chris!

Thanks.  I'll keep the list updated.
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |___\_|_]__]                                      the healthcare
    (o)    (o)  '69 109" RHD OD 2.6 Dormobile        professional        
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:27:54 GMT
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Import

I'm hoping that someone in the U.K. could tell me about the possibility of
getting a copy of the registration, or even just a phone # for the proper
agency.  

Any suggestions or opinions appreciated.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886    Computerization for 
  |
 Chris
, you need a certificate of export, obtainable from ther Department of
Transport in the town where the vehicle was registered. to obtain this V561
form you need the V5 document, known as the log book ( title ) They exchange
the V5 for the V561. ( see your fax machine for an example ) 
 When the vehicle is im[ported intot he US the customs issue a form OMB
2127-0002 Declaration of  Importation of Motor Vehicles and Motor vehicle
Equipment Subject to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety, Bumper and Theft
prevention Standards.
 On this form are 12 sections which deal with the reasons it either meets
regulations or does not comply with regulations, i.e. because it is
manufactured before January 1 1968 or variuos other reasons which my one
finger typing will take an hour, see your fax machine for a copy which you
may not be able to read because it has lots of small print.
 When I imported mine, I obtained the V561 and gave it to the shipper who
then attended  to all the paperwork with the customs
 Don't bother to look at your fax machine because mine says there is a
communications problem. is the number correct ?
  Regards Bill Leacock  Limey in exile
 tel /  fax 716 438 0890

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:21:22 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Gas tank sealants

Neil Sheridan asked about the Eastwood fuel tank sealer.

Back in '87 when I did a major overhaul on my 88", I bought a new tank.  
Also bought the three step Eastwood stuff - a cleaner, an etch and the 
actual sealant (which, BTW, used methyl ethyl ketone as a solvent).  Did 
three or four coatings of the inside, then painted the outside with three 
coats of Rustoleum and two of undercoat.  Result: rust through in four 
years.  However, it came *in* from the outside...where the double skin forms 
the hanger flange.

The radiator shop where I took it for welding compalined how difficult the 
old coating was to get out.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
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      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
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