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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 08:06:58 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: LRs in FOUR WHEELER (Woody SW?)

>skin SW which has woody styling? ...snip...

> an all wood body behind the bulkhead would be neat. It should
>be well within the capabilities of a reasonable wood worker. A 107/109
>chassis might work better than a 80/86/88.

There was something akin to this at the '95 mid-Atlantic Rallye...don't know who
belonged to it, but itsure was purty. i've got a picture but I don't have a 
scanner...If I can find my doubles I'd be happy to send one to somebody who can 
put it online for everyone to see.

Dave B.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:34:52 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Re: LHD/RHD with L-R content

>Dear all, over the weekend my wife and I spent some time researching this
>problem a little more, and we came up with this interesting result:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 56 lines)]
>Peter Hirsch
>Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

Peter,
        Slow weekend?

you can lead a horse to water, but if the silly beast drinks till he bursts,
all you have to show for your good intentions is a dead horse.

Steve Paustian
Flatland Rover Society

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:03:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Collector/historical value

On 15 Nov 96 at 8:16, I wrote:

 

 If people on the list don't mind me starting a discussion which may be a 
 bit controversial, I'd like to get the opinions of a few of you on the 
 collector/historical value of older Series vehicles.  I am not in this case 
 particularly interested in the monetary value of an original LR, though 
 that is part of it, of course.  I am more interested in what kind of sin it 
 might be to modify a relatively rare example of an early series vehicle.

 The problem my conscience is encountering is with the next planned project, 
 which will modify a really original early  '59 Series II Regular pickup.  
 Even in the planning stages this 
 bothers me.  How much historical value does something like this have?  I 
 think I have already made a decision, but I'd like to know what the rest 
 of you think about this and what model/years of vehicles should we think 
> twice before changing.

Thanks to all for the opinions and information.  As I mentioned I had sort 
of made a decision, (which was that I didn't have the heart to change the 
old guy).  Most of the responses seem to agree that it's not a good idea, 
and while I wasn't going to decide by referendum anyway, it's nice to know 
it's not just me that feels sentimental about anachronisms.  
At the risk of seeming a little odd, (I am, just ask my wife), I think the 
thing that really decided me was just sitting in the cab and taking in 
feeling of the thing.  It is a one-owner vehicle which was bought new and 
used by a Maine Guide for a lot of years.  It has always seemed to me that 
even inanimate things develop a personality from long contact with someone. 
This one has that sense about it, and there's a kind of time machine 
feeing while sitting in it.    I think it's telling me, like the old guy in 
Python's Grail:  I'm not dead yet. 
I don't get this feeling from the IIA hulk which is the donor for the 
current project, but I do from my '65 88, which was also a one owner old 
man's car for 28 years.  It's hard to get into it without feeling like I 
have married another guy's widow.
So, I guess I will have to go elsewhere to find enough pieces with no soul to complete my 
next coil project , and the II will be a restoration, with no calls to 
Jack Kevorkian contemplated.  It won't be done with an eye to originality 
as much as making sure none of the character 37 years has given it is 
changed.

Thanks again for the advice.  As Gerry E. points out, it's mostly about the 
people these things bring together. 

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:03:55 -0500
Subject: Re: LHD/RHD with L-R content

On 17 Nov 96 at 20:49, lopezba@atnet.at wrote an extremely humorous and 
creative post: 

> Dear all, over the weekend my wife and I spent some time researching this 
> problem a little more, and we came up with this interesting result:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> problem a little more, and we came up with this interesting result:
> Everything that has been said so far has been wrong.

Etc.  

Thanks for making my evening.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:28:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: d90 axle vents on a siia...

help me with my installation problem.  i just
purchased 2 d90 axle vents to install on my siia
and i don't know where to route the tubing.  one is 
about 2ft long and the other is about 4ft long.  
dont know which to install on the front and which
to install on the back.  and where to route.  i thought
it would be good to route both up on the bulkhead, but
it doesn't seem to be long enough...

and with the 4-hour investment in 2 new rear axle seals,
i don't want to drive too much without installing them.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:58:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Clockwise

David M. Schwarz wrote:
> >Have any of you considered the origin of "clockwise?"  I believe it relates
> >back to Sundials in the Northern Hemisphere.  
> :With North always at twelve O'clock, local apparent noon is the time, at the
BIG snip
and Peter writes:
> Great theory - except that in the northern hemisphere the shadow moves 
> counterclockwise, of course, from the left side to the lower side to the 
Another snip
> Righty - tighty,
> Lefty - loosy.
My sentiments also. Except when it's a left-hand thread.
righty-loosy,
lefty-tighty

Just doesn't have the same ring to it. :-(

I hope people are *really* confused now. ;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: d90 axle vents on a siia...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 16:10:00 PST

>From memory I believe the 2 ft one would go on the rear axle and vent into 
the crossmember above the axle (there was a suitable small hole on my 110 
when I had to replace the hose). I can't remember off hand where the front 
axle breather goes, but I do know it's a longer hose. Hope this is some 
help.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT
 ----------
From: Ray Harder
Subject: d90 axle vents on a siia...
Date: 18 November 1996 09:28

help me with my installation problem.  i just
purchased 2 d90 axle vents to install on my siia
and i don't know where to route the tubing.  one is
about 2ft long and the other is about 4ft long.
dont know which to install on the front and which
to install on the back.  and where to route.  i thought
it would be good to route both up on the bulkhead, but
it doesn't seem to be long enough...

and with the 4-hour investment in 2 new rear axle seals,
i don't want to drive too much without installing them.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Clockwise
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 16:12:30 GMT

> David M. Schwarz wrote:
> > >Have any of you considered the origin of "clockwise?"  I believe it relates
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> > Great theory - except that in the northern hemisphere the shadow moves 
> > counterclockwise, of course, from the left side to the lower side to the 

This ain't necessarily true!!!

Using modern "traditional" style sundials, then yes it is true. These are the
type that tilt in a southerly direction.
Try doing something more like a simple vertical stick in the ground. The
shadow will be cast to the north of the pole, travelling from westerly
pointing, through to easterly pointing. Ie. CLOCKWISE!!

My money is that a simple vertical pole was used as a sundial first.
Also, the majority of natural shadows will follow the same pattern.

And the Sun appears to travel clockwise (unless you face the zenith!)

Richard (part-time astronomer of sorts)

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:28:25 -0500
Subject: electical calculations

P=VI watts

P=55 watts , V=12 volts, I is calculated to be 4.583 amps per bulb times 4
bulbs = 18.3333 amps total.

If you increase the bulbs to be 100 watts, the amps (per bulb) becomes
100/12= 8.333 times 4 bulbs = 33.333 amps total.  

I would guess that a 30-amp relay is large enough for the 55 watt bulbs but
will be too small for the 100 watt bulbs therefore you’ll need either a
second relay or one large relay.  A second relay is the better choice to
split the circuit.

There are also losses in the circuit from the relay itself and the length of
the wire that you use... in other words, the resistance of these items adds
to the load which increases the amount of current needed to power the bulb.
  In practice, you’ll find that the values above with be slightly larger due
to these losses.

In order to measure amperes, you need to insert an amp meter in the
electrical path..... break the circuit  at a convenient place and place the
meter there.  But since most small meters only read up to 10 amps, be very
careful that you don’t blow the fuse on the meter.  There are special shunts
that you can purchase to use or clamp on devices that plug in to the meter.
 Most of these devices may be more expensive than most people will spend
money on.  The alternative is to measure with one bulb at a time.

If you need a reference book, purchase an electrical engineering circuits
book.  If you want a more complete reference, purchase a copy of  "The
Engineers Manual" by Ralph G. Hudson, ISBN 0 471 41844 7.  Although the book
was written in 1917 with the copyright renewed in 1944, the principals never
change.   It covers everything from mathematics (algebra, trigonometry,
measurements, analytic geometery, diff. calculus, integral calculus, etc) to
riveted joints to hydrodynamics to heat to direct current to a/c currents.  I
think that I paid $23 for mine in the early ‘80s.  Might make a nice addition
to your library since it’s such a concise source.  But then again, it might
be difficult to understand if you aren’t scientific-minded!

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:51:28 +0000
Subject: My electrical theory...

is somewhat limited, so I have a question.

I just installed halogen turn indicator bulbs on my lightweight (they have 
those tiny lights that are hard to see like SI Rovers). Now my 
dash trailer light warning light flashes when I use the turn signal. (this is 
the indicator light on some Rovers to let you know if trailer lights 
are working)
My theory is that the trailer dash warning light works the way 
it does because when you have a trailer hooked up, the indciator 
circut has a greater load (extra bulbs) and so more resistance.
The halogen lights I installed draw more current, which amounts to 
the same thing, and so my trailer dash light flashes now also.
Anyone want to tell me how much I've screwed up this thought process?
And if I'm right, is there an easy way to get the trailer warning 
light to stop, ie, return it to it's proper role?

I'm wondering if this is the right track, as I've finally goten my LR 
back on the road after a year sitting with me pissing around with a 
steering box rebuild. 
Life interferes too damn much with my Land Rover!  :-(

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:48:10 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Clockwise

>And the Sun appears to travel clockwise (unless you face the zenith!)
And the opposite to clockwise is..Widdershins.

Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:58:18 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: d90 axle vents on a siia...

Ray Harder wrote:
> help me with my installation problem.  i just
> purchased 2 d90 axle vents to install on my siia
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> dont know which to install on the front and which
> to install on the back.  and where to route.  

On the D90 the rear breather tube extends up into a wheel well.
On the front it runs along the radius arm and up into the bay/bulkhead.
Attachment is by zip ties.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:02:57 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Series Database?

Is the person collecting info for the Series database still collecting? I
have new info that I'd like to contribute?

Cheers

David Russell
1969 Series IIA SWB last seen @
http://www.mindspring.com/~david_r
David_R@mindspring.com

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Boxes and Nigel (fwd)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 12:24:01 EST

Sandy wrote:
> >Winter is 'leaking season' for older RR abd Disco steering boxes, they all
> >do that when it gets cold and damp.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> today.  Actually, it appears to be the low pressure (inlet) fitting on the 
> side of the pump...and not the box itself.

Ah, hell, Nige has done it all along.....no big deal, really, just
fill it up and so long as it's leaking you'll know it's just fine!
That is, if you don't mind a little molybdenum sulfide on your
cashmir.....

rd/nige

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:03:45 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Clockwise

Dear all, Dixon Kenner pointed out to me that on his grandmother's sundial 
the shadow actually did move clockwise. Since I always take Dixon's opinions 
seriously, I thought long and hard. The result:

Everybody is right.

On horizontal sundials (the ornamental kind in people's gardens) the shadow 
of the gnomon moves clockwise.

On vertical sundials (the kind we have on old buildings or church spires 
here in Europe) the shadow of the gnomon moves counter-clockwise.

Needless to say, on the southern hemisphere and in negative-earth sundials 
the exact opposite is true.

However, since the first makers of mechanical clocks would have been much 
more familiar with the vertical sundials, I still maintain that the sundial 
has nothing to do with the way the hands on a clock move (and it makes no 
difference whether the clock is vertical or horizontal, either). Probably 
the hand movement has more to do with the way we are used to read.

My Series One has no clock or sundial, btw (mandatory L-R content).
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 18 Nov 96 14:48:36 EST
Subject: Re: d90 axle vents on a siia...

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:56:21 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@mail.idt.net>
Subject: Wahoo! They're all home!

Hi all,

Just got the third 88" home today.  Now to go about finding the engine
and transmission in need of the least amount ($$ that is )of work.
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@mail.idt.net

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:58:56 -0500
From: NateDunsmore <dunsmo19@mail.idt.net>
Subject: Used Overdrive FS

Hi all,

The guy I bought the rovers from has a used overdrive (Fairey) for sale.
He says it has about 1K miles on it.  He's asking $500.

Here are whatever disclaimers I need to avoid getting flamed.	
-- 
Nate Dunsmore
88" SIIa ("The Blue Brick" http://members.aol.com/naddmd/first.htm )
dunsmo19@mail.idt.net

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 20:27:29 UT
From: "MARK & ANNIE " <MARK_ANNIE@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Fitting spots to a 110 Defender

Hi All

A question for those auto-electricians.

I have fitted 4 spot lights to my 110 by taking a 2 mm electric wire through 
an inline fuse to a relay 
and then up to the spots where the wire has been split to feed each spot.

The spot currently have 55 watt bulbs but I am going to be uping this to 100 
watt bulbs.

1) What size fuse should I be using.

	4X 100W = 400W

	Current=Watts/ Volts	= 400/12	=33.3333Amps

	Use a 35A fuse

2) how do I measure the ampage.

If I have a multi meter does one bridge the connection and measure the current 
that flows?

	Dis connect the positive from the relay to the lights

	Place one multimeter lead on the relay terminal the other lead goes on the 
positive wire.

	If you have a moving coil meter then the red lead goes to the relay( 
otherwise the needle moves the wrong way)

The relay that I have put in has a 30 amp rating.

	This is too small see above

	Also 2MM wire only has a current rating of 16A Use 4MM or better still 6MM

	regards 

	Mark

	1980 88" SIII Diesel

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 19:53:22 UT
From: "MARK & ANNIE " <MARK_ANNIE@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Haynes ISDN no.88 SIII diesel

I want to purchase the Haynes manual for my SIII 88,2.25l. 1981 
diesel. Could any of you send me the ISDN no. publisher etc. data on 
this one?

ISBN no for the Haynes manual is as follows:

	ISBN 1 85010 096 9

Good luck in getting one It's not brilliant but it covers the basics

regards 

Mark 

1980 88" SIII Diesel

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:15:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Collector/Historical Value

>>Why do you want to improve an old and collectible vehicle?<< 
Because it won't meet my needs and expectations (neither will any other
"production" vehicle right now). My only choice was to go "custom".  I picked
a Land Rover Series III 88.  I could of bought a J**p, Br**co, or T*y, but I
liked the idea of owning something unique.  Also, the one I found had engine
and tranny problems and a great body, so you get the idea... It's still a
cool vehicle, modified or not...
>>- It will still never be as good as a newer or new one.<<
 It's a matter of opinion.  Sure, I could go out and buy a Defender (if I
could afford it), or I can fix up a Series using quality parts for about half
the cost and end up with something that is totally unlike a Defender, not to
mention having something no one else does... Someone else mentioned that
modified Rovers don't work as well as the original.  I disagree providing
that you replace the stock "system" with a tried and true new "system".  This
basically means replacing everything.  A half-done job will only place new
problems on existing parts. Skipping to Peter's "art" concept, Why would you
buy a mass produced print of a VanGogh when you can get a good original in
the same "style" by a local artist at half the cost?
>>- You won't know what it really was like to use it.<< 
Can't argue that, except to say that you won't know what it's like to drive
mine either (unless you ask)...
>>- Your action will reduce our heritage.<<
Maybe, but it will make your car more valuable as a collectable (one less car
on the collectable market).. But by the same token, there are several "hard
core" off-roaders willing to pay quite a lot for a car that is already
"built-up"...  Mine will get it's value from the modifications instead of the
name "Land Rover".  Mine would never be bought by a collector.
>>Would you consider improving a van Gogh picture of a wheatfield by having a
tractor painted in?<< 
No, that's silly... Would you throw away or part-out a damaged VanGogh? (Got
some scissors, all I want is the left eye and the green thing in the corner
;-) How about a mass-produced VanGogh print? (Toss the print, reuse the frame
maybe....)

Please don't get me wrong, or suggest I'm picking on Peter (his was just the
latest post).  There are some cars that should be collectable, while there
are other "basket cases" that can be brought back to life in other forms.
 Peter wrote that the car for sale was so modified, that it could only be
used for parts...  I've taken such a car and built it into something quite
useful (if I ever get it back from the shopl. And "yes", I have regrets about
what I've done to a "Legendary" vehicle, but I'm also quite excited about the
"new" modifications, and what I'll now be able to do with it (like pass on
the highway, uphill, at timberline; or how ‘bout blow away that tailgater
 ;-)...

Chris Fisher
‘73 Land Rover 88 Series III hybrid (now with a Wrangler front end as
well...)

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From: Chris Britain <landy@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: My electrical theory...
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 21:20:15 GMT

Tom, regarding your halogen turn indicators:

With the possible exception of your resistance point your theory is just =
about spot on. The flasher unit is designed to flash the little indicator=
 bulb when the current drawn through the unit exceeds what it expects to =
see with only two bulbs flashing. Hence with the greater load of your hal=
ogens it thinks there are more bulbs (ie trailer bulbs) connected to the =
circuit

Here are my three suggestions in ascending order of expense:

i) Put a dud bulb in the dash light, check the lights every time you conn=
ect a trailer, and claim dumb ignorance if the law enforcement people eve=
r get too nosey

ii) Find a place that fits towbars and see if they have a flasher unit =
that works on three bulbs normally, four with a trailer. I seem to rememb=
er you can get them here in the UK somewhere

iii) Remove one of your new halogens and see if the flasher unit works =
normally (ie dash light off) with just one bulb flashing. If it does: fit=
 a relay to each (front?) indicator so that the power for that light does=
 not pass through the flasher unit but comes directly from a permament =
12v fused source

Regards
Chris
'82 SIII 88" Diesel

 

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:32:50 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re[2]: LRs in FOUR WHEELER (Woody SW?)

Bobeck on "Woody" Rovers...

>There was something akin to this at the '95 mid-Atlantic Rallye...

>i've got a picture but I don't have a
>scanner...If I can find my doubles I'd be happy to send one to somebody
>who can
>put it online for everyone to see.

There are two photos of Scott Miller's Shooting Brake, Peoples Choice
winner at the '95 Mid-Atlantic Rally, online already.  Just point your WWW
browser to

<http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/Mid-AtlanticII/Vehicles.html>

and enjoy.  (Remember, clicking on the small photos will take you to larger
versions.)

RoverOn!

JAB

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                    jeff@purpleshark.com
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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: FW: Bush Rangie vs Lada Niva.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 08:38:00 EST

I thought you had to read this!  Fo overseas readers, a Bush Ranger is the 
name of a Range Rover based special available from John E Davis Motor Works 
in Sydney, Australia.  Beats the D90 hands down.

Ron

PS In Australian history in the 1800's, a Bush Ranger was an outlaw (US), a 
highwayman (UK), a bandit (almost anywhere), etc etc.  Bush Rangers were 
sometimes romanticized into nice guys but often they weren't.  They often 
 had names like Thunderbolt etc.

 ----------
From: James Mercer
Subject: Bush Rangie vs Lada Niva.
Date: Monday, 18 November 1996 5:24PM

Hi All,

I saw an interesting happening at the Perth 4wd show on Friday night.

John Davis was over here and had a couple of his Bush Rangies/Rangers
with him.  After performing some minor repairs to the machine fitted
with the Fielder Air Suspension, he proceeded to drive across the
bullbar of a trashed niva that they had staked down for recovery demos.

John started by driving across the top of the bullbar from right to
left.  He just sort of nosed up to the side of the niva and then
applied some power, and the beast just eased its way up the side.
He didn't drive completely over, and had to back the Rangie off.
He next approached the niva from straight on, and ran the Rangies
drivers side wheels up the drivers side of the niva.  He didn't stop
the rangie till its front tyre was directly over the drivers seat
of the niva.  He couldn't drive completely over the top as the back of
the niva was lashed to a largish tree :).

John told me that he would send me the photo to add to my Rangie home
page. http://www.cs.murdoch.edu.au/~james/rangie.html

The green rangie with the Air suspension is fitted with a 4.6lt
Supercharged v8 producing ~500HP (I think).  John also mentioned
something about building a mid-engined racing Rangie fitted with an
american built racing v8 and a 6 speed gear box (I think 6lt and
~800HP).

Someone also had a v8 off-road racing Defender capable of 250km/h.

Land Rover didn't supply any vehicles for the test track either :(.

Later,
James.

PS: Apparently the Fielder air suspension will be fittable to the old
leaf sprung Land Rovers... :)

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|James Mercer                         | Ph:  +61 9 360 2790           |
|Professional Officer                 | Fax: +61 9 360 2941           |
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
|South St, Murdoch         | Email: james@cs.murdoch.edu.au           |
|Perth, Western Australia  | WWW: http://www.cs.murdoch.edu.au/~james
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:30:49 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: a real gas

Running out of gas really sucks.

Rich
D90

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:36:40 -0800
From: rogers@batnet.com (Jeffrey A. Rogers)
Subject: NAS D90 Website

I have begun work on a site dedicated to NAS Defenders and I'm looking for
people who would like to contribute to its creation. I'm welcoming those
interested in Defenders to participate at any level they wish, from writing
articles or "owning" a section of the site to contributing information to
providing pictures of their vehicles. Participation is "key" as I intend
to host this site *free-of-charge*.

The site's name is NAS*D (nas'dee). I have put a sample home page at:
http://www.batnet.com/rogers/nas-d/html/defndrhm.html. It is *not*
functional, but will give you an idea of how it might be organized. A
domain name will be regisitered if there is enough interest. I am currently
working on an animated logo and creating content. See below for more info
on the content I intend to make available. The idea is to consolidate as much
Defender information as possible into one site.

Please let me know if you would be interested in contributing to this project.

Thanks!

Jeff Rogers
rogers@batnet.com

NAS*D: PROPOSED CONTENT
-----------------------

* Feature Article
   ! Bi-monthly article on anything related to NAS Defenders
   + Article, author's choice of topics
   + Article archive
* Models / Specifications
   ! Technical information and variations by model
   + D90
      - ST
         . Tech. Drawing
         . General specs
         . Capacities
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      - SW
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   + D110
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         . Performance
* Accessories
   + Factory
      - Parts
         . Photos
         . Install info. (link to ../../FIR/info/accessory_install_info if
avail.)
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if avail.)
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if avail.)
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   ! The place for owners to post pictures
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* Links
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* F / I / R
   ! FAQ's, Information and Reviews by subject
   + FAQ's
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      - "Bluebook"
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* Chat
   ! Bulleting board to discuss this site and Defender info.
* Submissions
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      - Site "hosts"
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:45:03 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Warranty violations

Here's a question for Jim Allen=C9

I read the four wheeler article on building a 90 with great interest,
especially the Jacob's Electronics upgrade, which I was considering
adding a while ago.  My question is, does something like that void
warranty, because so far my warranty experience has been exemplary,
whenever there's been something wrong it's been fixed no questions asked,=

and I am planning on purchasing the extra warranty when the current
period runs out. 
I'm satisfied with the performance of the engine, but liked the increase in=

mpg the Jacob's system offered, but again, I don't want to void warranty. =

The manual was not very specific in regards to ignition upgrades.  I
suppose I could call LR but the computer's closer than the phone, and
anyway, that's what the list is for!

Rich
D90

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:52:41 -0500 (EST)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: Good karma pays back.

Here's the whole story=C9

Ran out of gas the other day.  That will be the third
time I've drained the tank, you'd think I would learn.  This time
happened to be going up a slight incline.  Put Put putter, spluff, a few
muffled pops, and it's all over.  Restart, manage another few feet and
once again, stall.  Knowing the area, the closest gas station is of
course, over the crest of the hill at the bottom:( And what's worse, my
girlfriend's in the car.  Okay, so no big deal, she says, we'll push it
over the top and use momentum to get to the gas station at the bottom. 
Well, I've pushed my truck before, and I know it's not light on flat
pavement.  I decide I'll walk down to the gas station, fill up my fold up=

tank, and walk back.  She says, "Don't be foolish, let's push it."  I
give her a shot at it, unaided, and when it nearly rolls her over, she
agrees I'm right.  So I trudge off to the station, I've got five bucks in=

my pocket, and the e-tank.  I get to the station, fill the bag with gas
and walk up the hill.  Hmmm.  Pretty piss poor seal job on this thing,
keeps leaking gas.  And, upon closer inspection, the seam opens up and
away goes all the gas. #%#%$!  Trudge back down to the gas station, and
guess what?  In sign language I explain what just happened, and that I
need gas.  So the guy brings out a shiny new gas can and rings up five
dollars on the register.  So I'm asuming the can's a loaner, and he
thinks I'm going to fit $5 bucks worth of gas into this can.  My blank
stare galvanized him into a flurry of signed motions, basically asking me=

for five dollars for the new gas can.  I explain all I've got is a couple=

of bucks and I'm going to need that for the gas, and once I get this throug=
h
to him, he takes away the shiny new can! AARRRGH!  So I find a soda
bottle, thinking I'll get just enough to fire up the rover and get it up
the hill and coast down to the station.  Well, this guy wouldn't let me
fill it, pointing to a sign saying only "acceptable receptacles" may be
used.  I guess too many people have been making gasoline bottle bombs? 
In dazed disbelief, I walk back up to the rover, stinking of spilled gas. =

Without a word, I take off the e-break, go to neutral, run behind the
back, and start to push up the hill.  Not too bad at first, but after
twenty feet I was ready to drop my left nut.  And here's the part that gets=

me, 3 RR's drove by and one Disco.  Where's a series owner when you need
one?  Well, the one fellow who DID stop was, you guessed it, a JEEP! Got
that, a JEEP stopped.  So I guess all those poor j**ps I've stopped to
help added up to this kind man with a really strong back who helped push
me up to the crest.  Waved him off, got my girlfriend to hop in the
driver's seat so I could push us over.  The rover started going pretty
damn quick and I had to jump in.  Off we go!  Now when we hit about 25-30=

we were getting to the bottom of the hill, and after successfully merging=

into traffic, it was time to slow down.  Two words- power brakes.  Here's=

another two- power steering.  She sticks out her arm to point to the
left, of course the gas station is on the left side of the road, stands
on the brakes, and turns the wheel with both hands.  Everything was fine
until I heard the dull click.  What was that, she says, and with utter
horror, realization washes over me.  The steering locked.  Vividly in my
mind the passages in the manual come into focus about the steering lock.
She begins experiencing hysteria, and I'm observing our turning
direction.  The keys to disable are in my pocket.  Well, I figured the most=

important thing to do would be to stop our forward progress into oncoming=

traffic, which, fortunately was some distance away. But I figured we
would make it to the other side of the road so we wound up kind of turned=

around on the shoulder. I hop over the
console, put the truck in gear and push her foot down on the brake.  We
stop on the other side of the road on the shoulder, just as oncoming cars=

start passing us, not even bothering to slow down for us.  Well, I just
sat there for quite some time.  Took out a cigar, smoked it.  I was
afraid to step out of the rover because I was certain a meteor was
currently streaking towards me, or at the very least, ball lightning.  I
figured the way things were going I was probably situated on a fault line=

that was waiting to crack apart and swallow me up.  Well, my girlfriend
snapped me out of it, we unlocked the steering wheel, and were still on
enough of a slope to get us going into the gas station, where, quite
ironically in front of the office where you pay for gas was the sign,
"Have a nice day!"  I tried to have one, but fate conspired against
me...rgds to that jeep owner, he must of been an LRO in a past life.

Rich
D90

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 17:16:07 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Fitting spots to a 110 Defender

Speaking of SPOT's...

Mine were were all installed by the PO...:-)
Here's one for you, although it wasn't on my truck.
A friends 88 has, for the entire 4 years he's owned it, had a 5/16" gap between 
one of the front brake drums and its backing plate. 
Swapping drums didn't help
Hubs were the same
Bearings, Seal and Distance Piece were correct
Drum was the corect part and properly installed
Shoes were correct
Wheel Nuts and Studs were correct
Axle shaft and Stub axle were the correct parts
Backing Plate was the correct part.

The vehicle worked fine except that the shoes weren't all the way inside the 
drum and also the drum filled up with water and mud constantly

Can you guess what the problem was?
I looked at the vehicle for about 5 minutes and found it. Given the above 
information, first correct guess wins a free beer at my expense. Winner must 
come to DC/VA to collect!

Later
Dave B. 
Trying not to be "SNOT"TY...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@cdr.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:32:00 +0000
Subject: Re: My electrical theory...

snip
> ii) Find a place that fits towbars and see if they have a flasher unit =
> that works on three bulbs normally, four with a trailer. I seem to rememb=
> er you can get them here in the UK somewhere
snip
Ummm. I'll plead frozen brain cells from working outside yesterday. A 
heavy duty flasher, what a novel idea. You'd think I'd never wired up 
or towed a trailer before.
I'm properly chagrined.
Thanks Chris.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:44:55 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Warranty violations

12/4/95 wrote:
> snip
> I read the four wheeler article on building a 90 with great interest,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> warranty, because so far my warranty experience has been exemplary,
> whenever

In my discussions with dealers: Yes... and no.

Whatever you modify is void.  For example, if you change the ignition system
the warranty on the ignition system is void (possible up to but not limited to
the ECM), but if your axle breaks it's covered.

Some dealers may push the limits on this in your favor, basically because it
doesn't seem to come off their paycheck.  LRNA/LR foot the bill, so they
actually have an incentive to classify work as warranty work.

Personally, I'm very suspicious of aftermarket warranties.  I figure that
if they're pushing them, they're making money off them.  Furthermore, there's 
the question of who decides from the fine print what is normal wear and tear, etc.
Others, I'm sure will not be so pessimistic.  Your choice, but I'm sure at a 
minimum comparable restrictions on component modifications apply.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 17:53:57 est
From: "Fred Herman" <fherman@oao.com>
Subject: Engine Change

     I recently purchased a 1969 109 SIIa SW with a 6 cyl engine.  I am 
     considering an engine transplant to a Nissan 6 cyl 2.8 litre Turbo 
     diesel.  Does anyone on the list have any first hand experience with 
     the conversion?  Thanks for your help.
     Fred Herman

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:10:03 -0500
Subject: Re: a real gas

In a message dated 96-11-18 16:45:07 EST, you write:

>Running out of gas really sucks.
>Rich
>D90

especially when they catch you on film..Like Mark Talbot did when we got back
from getting gas.
nice part was when we got back from the gas station with a gallon or two,
there were 3 other series Rovers who had stopped and were waiting with my
wife and kids making sure all was well, one of them was from California!....
 Ok so it was on the way up to the Downeast Rally in Maine 2 yrs ago, but
even tho ....
The guy gave me a can and filled it with gas didnt ask for any $$ said to pay
him later when I came back with his can
And yes... a good cigar can do wonders..especially an Arturo Fuentes Double
Corona
     Like Gary Elam wrote Land- Rovers are great but the people who drive 'em
are what makes it all so very special.

Thanks again to the 2  Guys I can remember... Ben Smith and Trevor Easton
 Rgds
Steve Bradke   72 S lll 88 ( for sale )
                      68 S lla 88
                      96 Discovery

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:26:39 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: out of gas

I found out (don't ask) that my 109 SW tank can hold about 2 gallons BELOW 
the pickup line when on a hill. Once returned to level, those two gallons 
are once again available. Why, I wonder, did they do that? Why not put the 
pickup where it will get fuel while going uphill? (down hill hardly seems as 
important, unless the vehicle aerodynamics require full throttle downhill as 
well. Hmmmmmm?) Since switching to diesel I'm even more concerned (can you 
say "bleed the system"?, or "full throttle downhill to go 65"?).

JohnO

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:13:35 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Tank Pickups was Re: out of gas

John Ousterhout wrote:
> I found out (don't ask) that my 109 SW tank can hold about 2 gallons BELOW
> the pickup line when on a hill. Once returned to level, those two gallons
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> are once again available. Why, I wonder, did they do that? Why not put the
> pickup where it will get fuel while going uphill? 

I was thinking about that when I swapped in a new tank on my 109 a few months
ago but couldn't come up with a good solution.  As I remember there are baffle 
plates in the tank so I couldn't add a flexible hose with attached weight 
(spherical?) to the end of the pickup.  Apart from a maze of pickup tubing are 
there any other ideas?

Not that it's too common I'm sure but fuel starvation from a partial tank is
even more of a problem if you're in terrain with a port/left list since
the pickup is on the right, forward side of the tank (if memory serves).

cheers,

Jeremy

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From: anieto@mofo.com (Nieto, Armando S., Jr.)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:02:08 -0800
Subject: Not read: Chassis No's for 107

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:53:40 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>

Did you hear of the American Siamese twins joined at the hip who always took
their vacation in the U.K.?
It was so the other one could drive.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:19:58 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: tire chains

I'll mention this again, now that the snowy season is here. Last year, the 
tire chain on my left front tire (tall profile 16inch radials) hooked the 
inner front fender sheet metal while backing up, wheel turned to the right, 
nearly removing the fender completely from the body. Ugly, but all better 
now. It was an expensive lesson which I shall not easily forget. Whenever 
I'm chained up now I'm acutely aware of the slightest articulation and where 
the wheels are pointed at all times. 'Probably a lesson to be learned there.

JohnO

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: UK LH/RH Travel...

At 08:17 PM 11/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>rotation fairly uniformly followed. Does anyone know of a clock which runs
>backwards.  There are times I wish I could make it so, but that's another

"Counterclocks" show up in novelty stores occassionally.  A friend also has
one that's reasonably serious (i.e., not goofy) but it's been in his family
for years, (and in reality, is a rather hideous looking 50s-ish style).  

The most significant reference I've ever seen to counterclocks is in Spider
Robinson's series of books about Callahan's Crosstime Sallon.  This rather
unusual pub features one.  The first in the series, btw, is Time Travelers
Strictly Cash, if you're interested.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Clockwise

At 08:03 PM 11/18/96 +0100, you wrote:
>On vertical sundials (the kind we have on old buildings or church spires 
>here in Europe) the shadow of the gnomon moves counter-clockwise.

I've never seen a vertical sundial, so I'll have to look into this.

>However, since the first makers of mechanical clocks would have been much 
>more familiar with the vertical sundials, I still maintain that the sundial 

Acherly, I suspect they were probably most familiar with the shadows of
trees.  (Which of course, move clockwise, except in the southern hemisphere,
or southern parts of the northern hemisphere in summer.)

>the hand movement has more to do with the way we are used to read.

Except that the hand moves backwards (i.e., right to left) for half the
dial...  (Natural shadows only move left to right (since they're not visible
at night) so perhaps sundials/clock have somethng to do with the way we read?)

LR content:   If I paint numbers on my spare tire, then mount a CB antenna
in the middle, I could use it as a sundial!  (Assuming I only go north.)
Or, I could use it as a compass if I hadn't been too drunk to learn it when
I was in the scouts...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Clockwise

At 04:12 PM 11/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>Using modern "traditional" style sundials, then yes it is true. These are 
>the type that tilt in a southerly direction.

Dunno where you get your sundials, but the world's largest sundial (a few
blocks from my house, and no, I never made it to the top as a kid) slopes up
towards the North.  It was built in 1918, so I dunno if that counts as "modern."

>My money is that a simple vertical pole was used as a sundial first.
>Also, the majority of natural shadows will follow the same pattern.

I'll vote for that too.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:27:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Clockwise

At 07:43 PM 11/17/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Great theory - except that in the northern hemisphere the shadow moves 
>counterclockwise, of course, from the left side to the lower side to the 
>right side. The sun moves clockwise. Maybe clocks were invented in the 

Ummm....  Try this:  Stand in a field facing north all day.  In the morning
your shadow will stick out to the left as the sun rises in the east (on your
right), then will move to in front of you at noon, and continue on to your
right as the sun sets in the west.  Last time I checked, that was clockwise.

Your shadow moves in the same direction as the sun, just on the opposite
side of you.  Note that this assumes reasonably far north, or winter.  If
you live on the equator, ymmv.

btw, it also works when you face south, it's just harder to watch.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 18 Nov 96 20:44:18 EST
Subject: Re: Lugnut candidate

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 18 Nov 96 20:48:47 EST
Subject: Re: UK LH/RH Travel...

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:15:46 +0001
Subject: Re: Clockwise

> From:          Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>

> Ummm....  Try this:  Stand in a field facing north all day.  

Sounds boring.

Unless you are south of a strip tease show.

sv

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From: Peter Reynolds <STOUTMAN@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: please excuse just checking something
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:23:08 +0000

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:27:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Roberts <psu00712@odin.cc.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Tailgating

On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Alexander P. Grice wrote:
<snip>
> brightens considerably.  "Yes..." he stammers.  Mind you since I left the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> won't." His jaw dropped a yard, and he remained speechless/motionless as I 
> drove off into the night.
 

Sandy,
	I would say the ultimate revenge would have been to say,"It'll 
cost ya, big time!"  Then take his money and THEN leave him in the ditch 
to pay off his Karmic Credit Card.  Then again, I can be a real d**k, 
just ask my wife!

Michael Roberts
Portland (Vernonia), Oregon

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From: "Richard Ruffer" <rruffer@world2u.com>
Subject: Re: NAS D90 Website
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:25:47 -0500

Jeff -
I'd be interested. I've just started exploring the world of web publishing
with a home page http://www.world2u.com/~rruffer 

It's pretty basic, but I have big plans. I think a D90/110 page would be
fun. I'm sure we could come up with enough articles, even basic
do-it-yourself maintenance/repair stuff (possibly with pictures).

Let me know as you get things rolling.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@world2u.com
'94 D90
http://www.world2u.com/~rruffer

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> From: Jeffrey A. Rogers <rogers@batnet.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Date: Monday, November 18, 1996 5:36 PM
> I have begun work on a site dedicated to NAS Defenders and I'm looking
for
> people who would like to contribute to its creation. I'm welcoming those
> interested in Defenders to participate at any level they wish, from
writing
> articles or "owning" a section of the site to contributing information to
> providing pictures of their vehicles. Participation is "key" as I intend
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> functional, but will give you an idea of how it might be organized. A
> domain name will be regisitered if there is enough interest. I am
currently
> working on an animated logo and creating content. See below for more info
> on the content I intend to make available. The idea is to consolidate as
much
> Defender information as possible into one site.
> Please let me know if you would be interested in contributing to this
> to host this site *free-of-charge*.
project.
> Thanks!
> Jeff Rogers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 40 lines)]
>          . Photos
>          . Install info. (link to ../../FIR/info/accessory_install_info
if
> avail.)
>    + Aftermarket
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>          . Photos
>          . Install info. (link to
./../../FIR/info/accessory_install_info
> if avail.)
>    + Customization
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>          . Photos
>          . Install info. (link to
./../../FIR/info/accessory_install_info
> if avail.)
>          . Source/Vendor
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 44 lines)]
>       - Site "owners"
>       - "General contributors"

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@intellinet.com>
Subject: LR PhotoFile - Please Read!
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:32:48 -0500

Hello enthusiasts one and all, thank you for your time,

Contributions please.  Either by snail or email

<rsteele@intellinet.com>, 34 Luster Drive, Batesville, AR, 72501, USA.

All original photographs will be scanned and returned, within two days.  =

The objective is to produce the most comprehensive photofile of LR's of =
all models, possible, available to any and all enthusiasts who =
contributes anything.  This file is for all you enthusiasts, to use as =
you will.  I will send printed colour copies to contributors, or files =
on disk or email, as requested.

Please include, details regarding the photos you have sent, and what you =
want in return.

Thank you for your time,

regards Rod Steele.

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@intellinet.com>
Subject: RE: LR in Four Wheeler
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:20:25 -0500

Thanks for the pointer, the LR articles in the December issue of Four Wheeler are excellent.

In addition there is a good article on Rust Prevention, ask my 86 inch, It is feeling the benefit.

Thanks, regards Rod
(LR the best 4x4 by Far!) 

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:43:08 -0500
From: "John P. Casteel" <jcasteel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Series Database?

David Russell wrote:
> Is the person collecting info for the Series database still collecting? I
> have new info that I'd like to contribute?

I am, I have been off of the WWW until recently.  I will have the most 
recent updates soon.  Go ahead and send your information.

Thanks,

jc

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:56:12
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: FIrst gear & reverse is missing

Hi All,
 I hate to admit it the trans in my brothers 88 has failed or 
the first gear & reverse have run away together.  We are going to take the 
top off but it is unlikely that will help. Using the reverse gear stalls the 
engine if it is attempted.  Which sound like we need a "trans plant". So if 
any one has a good used trans in the US that you would part with please email 
me directly.   

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: Rear axle
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:20:47 -0800

Hi Gang,

It seems that since I last wrote you, I have had a bit of bad vehicular =
luck.  It all started when I purchased, as a second car, a Fiat 124 =
Spider. I got the Spider for a steal from a friend because it needed =
some major brake work and was not drivable.  Soon after this purchase, =
the Rhino, my '70 SWB SIIa decided to act up.  On my way to work one =
morning an odd noise came from the rear end as I began to move.  It only =
happened once so I made a mental note to check it that weekend.  On the =
way home from work it made the same sound as I left the office parking =
lot.  Then on a freeway off ramp it made the same sound when I started =
off but this time I just stayed in one place.  I proceeded to engage 4 =
wheel drive to pull the Rhino to safety.  I then disengaged the front, =
put it in drive and noted that the drive line spun but the back wheels =
just sat there.  I then waited for the 40 mile tow home.

Since I had all of the Fiat parts by this time and I thought it would be =
nice to go topless for a few days before the rains really set in here, I =
opted to repair the Fiat before I even looked at the Rhino.  I finished =
the Fiat yesterday.  Know I sitting in my office at home watch as snow =
blankets my backyard with 6 inches.  I need to fix the Rhino quick.

My question to you, my astained partners in rover ownership is, does it =
sound like a broken half shaft or a broken differential?  I will be able =
to take a look at the rear end on Wednesday and would like to get it up =
and running by Sunday.  How do I tell if it is the axle or diff without =
taking the whole thing apart?

If it is only the halfshafts ( I will replace both ), what else should I =
replace ( seals, bearings, ect....)?  Can I replace the pinion seal =
without taking the whole diff apart ( I have noticed a minor leak there =
)?

Thanks in advance for the info.

John Putnam
The Rhino ( '70 SWB SIIa currently covered in snow )
Forest Grove, OR

------------------------------

From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Thrust SSC   (screw request!)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 10:30:44 GMT

Taken from the Thrust SSC site
(http://thrustssc.digital.co.uk/thrustssc/contents.shtml).  

------------------------------------------

                      URGENT URGENT URGENT

                      Screws for ThrustSSC

Sunday 17th November 1996

The ThrustSSC team are currently carrying out high speed testing in Jordan,
and have an urgent requirement for countersunk crosshead screws of the
following specification ....

       NAS 517-3-1 
       NAS 517-3-3 

or nearest UK specification.

We require 1,000 of each specification

If you can let us have these items, please send an email to: Martyn Davidson,
at martyn.davidson@battlement.digital.co.uk as soon as possible and we will
sort out carriage arrangements.

--------------------------------------------

I have no connection with Thrust SSC, although I check their WWW site almost
daily. Knowing how much you like strange sized & shaped screws, thought it
might be of use posting here (esp. with the NAS reference!). That's the first
Land Rover reference, the other, is of course the obvious superiority of
British land vehicles!  :-))

[News so far: Craig Beedlove @ 600mph+, crashed in Nevada, but is okay.
Thrust SSC (Richard Noble/Andy Green) has reached 330mph, preferring a slow
incremental strategy]

Richard (now, how do I fit two jet engines under my bonnet, and will by
transmission tunnel burn up, if I do?)

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: GM Diesel Conversions, Oil Filters etc and other bum steers.
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 22:24:00 EST

What?  Me give a bum steer?  Never!! <grin>
I recently said that the Racor after market cleanable oil filter was priced 
at around Aust $120.  I took this out of a magazine.  This month's copy of 
the mag apologised for the error - it should have read $400.

Alan Twite recently asked about info on the 5.7L and  6.2L GM Diesle 
conversions for 4WD.
Alan, I found an article in July 1993 Overlander  about the conversion being 
done on a Land Cruiser 60 series by the Queensland (Aust) company that fits 
them to Tojos and others.  Contact:

Lindsay Cullen
LinQuip Automotive Equipment
Unit 9
348 Southpine Rd.
Brendale
Qld 4500
tel: +61 7 3881-0686
fax: +61 7 3881-0687
after hours +61 7 3261-2134

They list conversion kits for Land Cruisers, Patrols, Chev C20 & C30, Fords 
F100, F150, F350, Bedfords and Jeeps.  Do you want me to send a copy of the 
article down to you?  (It was you, Alan, that wanted the info?  I've deleted 
the original message.)

What other bum steers you ask.  I can't think of any at the moment but I am 
sure that there were some so I'll apologise in advance.

Bi

Ron

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