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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:54:37 +0000
Subject: Valve Tap?

>the tapping noise was just a valve tap.  Silly me, I believed him. 
>After adjusting the valves, which were pretty close to where they
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>pressure (around 45psi) while cruising around, this is with a Fram
>oil filter which I have heard will lower the pressure by 5psi or so.

With a LR deisel (2.25 n/a's anyway) NEVER ignore a light tapping 
(or tinkling) sound. It could be a combustion chamber about to drop 
into your cylinder. A freind of mine had a conrod thru his block this 
way - he was not happy. Apparently you can see if tehy wobble thru 
the injector ports. If they do, they call the AA to get you home!!

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From: echo@pacific.net.sg
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:11:41 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: Re: Valve Tap?

At 12:44 PM 11/13/96 -0400, you wrote:

>tapping noise was just a valve tap.  Silly me, I believed him.  After adjusting
>the valves, which were pretty close to where they should be, the tap continues.
I used to have that tapping sound which I eventually traced to the
distributor. I changed my Lucas sport coil with me friend's normal coil and
the tapping's gone.

I seen a lightweight start up with this knocking sound too. removed the oil
sump to replace gasket and found the con-rod for #2 cylinder loose. Re
torqued and found it to be too worn, replaced and knocking goes off. Piston
slap is another possibility, but if your engine is not burning oil, then
that removes the possibility. Good Luck!

Lawrence
Singapore
Ser III 2.6l 109

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: LHD/RHD
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 09:56:00 EST

Then there was the tale about Sweden changing from RHD to LHD. In order to 
reduce the impact (?) of the change Commercial Vehicles were to change the 
first week. Private vehicles the second.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:19:33 -0500
Subject: Anit-theft Methods

On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:25:46 Uncle Roger wrote: "So my idea is to leave a
couple of empty 9mm cartridge boxes on the dash, and maybe an extra clip on
the seat..."

Uncle Roger:

You can get window decals for your Land Rover advising prospective thieves:

"This car protected by Smith & Wesson."

This goes well with an NRA window decal and a bumper sticker proclaiming:

"You can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands."

It is hard to know if this would work in the UK, where the preferred method
of interpersonal mayhem seems to be knives and broken bottles.  Imagine:

"This car protected by bad tempered big bloke with a broken beer bottle"

"This car protected by rude public school dropout with cricket bat"

"This car protected by fairbaine dagger wielding ex camel trophy veteran"

Or in Scotland: "This car protected by mad claymore wielding Pict"

These things can be ordered by mail from The Fearmongers Shop in Minnesota.
Details at: fearmonger@npr.org    (Standard Disclaimer)

Regards,
Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover with gun rack

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:57:56 -0500 (EST)
From: rovah@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: K+N Efficiency

   Regarding the latest round of K+N questions, please refer to their web
site at; http://www.motorville.com/kn_home/kn.html

I sent them E-mail to let them know about the discussions about efficiency
that arise on the list from time to time, and they sent me a catalog, price
list, and copy of an efficiency report done by a European testing
instituion on the effiency of their filter.  The report is at home, but the
efficiency in this dust test was over 99%.  The report is detailed as to
testing methods(including the specification of the dust!).  It was done a
few years ago.  I use K+N filters in my RR and Ducati.  I clean them at
least once a year.  Sometimes I clean the RR one twice a year as I drive in
a dusty environment off-road often.

E-mail them and get a copy of the report yourself!  Then you can make your
own decision!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA
XO of the VMFA 509th COUGARS

2 Wheels: Ducati M900, Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1995 Discovery, 1987 Range Rover, 1966 Series IIA,
   1974 Series III

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:04:13 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

>I also like the idea of putting FWH's on all four wheels and leaving them
>all unlocked...  8^)

Roger:

Just a reminder: you live in San Francisco.  Last time I was there, the
terrain was a bit hilly...

Before you try unlocking the rear hubs, you'd best do something about the
parking brake.  ;-)

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:12:19 -0500
From: Jeffrey A Berg <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about Virginia DMV and Rovering

>     You would not be able to do that with Foreign plates..I doubt that this
>would be possible anywhere in the states as there would be no way for
>officials to check the plates thru the DMV computer.

Sand Toller has done this very thing on his Rover - he uses the British
tags as a license plate.  It seems that as long as the "number" is
available in Virginia, there is no law stating that you have to use the
"official" state issued tag.

Or maybe he's in Maryland.  I could be confused...

I don't know the details, only the basics I've posted here.

RoverOn!

JAB

==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:15:12 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Anit-theft Methods

>It is hard to know if this would work in the UK, where the preferred method
>of interpersonal mayhem seems to be knives and broken bottles.
Oh,I say,my dear fellow...We only break the bottles to make *absolutely*
certain they are empty.One doesnt waste a decent wine,you know....

Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:14:31 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Tailgating

Someone said:    (yep I deleted too much and I forgot the name)
|Your state of mind: I've been tailgated all day & HATE them fast
|freddies.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
|Answer: "and loving it!" When the situation presents itself, do it. On
|the other hand maybe it's time to install a radio or cd..

Nice to see you making a positive contribution to the business of the
local accident and emergency dept.  Personally I try to reduce the
traffic queues whereever possible as they are a breeding ground for
accidents.

Trying to stop a safe overtake is really dumb.  What if he hesitates
then decides to go for it when there isn't enough room anymore?
What if he gets so pissed off as he's been stuck behind an inconsiderate
git for 20 minutes and another one coming the other way is also winding
him up.  Irational behavior could well follow soon.

What is wrong with being a Fast Freddie?  I always overtake at
every opportunity.  I even brake speed limits to do it.

In fact when I am overtaking (unless I can see a police car) I go
as fast as possible.  This is not dangerous, it is even encouraged
in the official driving manual her (Roadcraft well worth the read
for everybody).

If you enjoy delaying someone elses progress on your head be it.
Just wait until you are rushing a loved one to hospital and two
idiots get together to block you in.

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:13:39 -0800
From: Don Hester <dhester@dynasty.net>
Subject: Defender 90 - for sale

94 Land Rover Defender 90. Green, 5sp, soft-top, extras. Never off-road.
Pristine condition. 34k miles. Asking $28,500. Contact Don Hester in 
Indiana at 800-879-0709 (owner)

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From: Jon Bloor <jmhb2@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Anti-theft Methods
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:23:32 +0000

>You can get window decals for your Land Rover advising prospective thieves:
>"This car protected by Smith & Wesson."
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>This goes well with an NRA window decal and a bumper sticker proclaiming:
>"You can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands."
In view of the current anti-firearms reaction in the UK, this would probably
be a good method of getting your tyres slashed etc over here :)
My preferred method is to:
a)remove an HT lead and hide it/take it with you
b)don't leave anything worth stealing in the Rover
c)park next to something faster and more expensive

or if you're really worried simply unbolt your steering wheel and carry it
round with you.

Jon Bloor
1970 LWB IIA Diesel
1969 SWB Petrol trialler
1995 110 TDI Station Wagon 
          

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Tailgating
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 12:40:00 PST

I had a rental car (my D90 was in the shop - see, there is LR content)   
and was rushing home and had a one hour trip ahead of me(at normal   
speed), so to make the trip shorter, I was driving 90mph.  The problem   
was that there was a serious gas leak near my house and I had to get home   
to take my wife, 2 dogs, and 2 cats to safety.  Unfortunately, two stupid   
gits decided to block my way and even started slowing down to 45mph on a   
65mph road to "teach me a lesson".  Well, my family was more important to   
me, so I passed the idiots on the shoulder and proceeded to reach 90mph.   
 I looked into my rear-view mirror, and suddenly one of the stupid gits   
was now tailgating me (at 90mph, can you imagine?).  The solution that   
worked for me was to increase my speed to 100mph.  (Keep in mind that I   
wasn't tailgating to begin with, but had flashed someone in the left lane   
to move to the slower lane so I could pass - that is what sparked the   
whole incident.)

Now I don't go anywhere and slowly lumber around in my D90.  (I just   
don't feel "safe" going faster than 65mph in my D90)

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
 -----------------
Nice to see you making a positive contribution to the business of the
local accident and emergency dept.  Personally I try to reduce the
traffic queues whereever possible as they are a breeding ground for
accidents.
>.
If you enjoy delaying someone elses progress on your head be it.
Just wait until you are rushing a loved one to hospital and two
idiots get together to block you in.

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:24:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Second Hand Alum. Hard Tops for LR

At 10:14 AM 11/14/96 EST, you wrote:
>Just to annoy you NAS blokes, below are some ads from today's paper

Waaaaaahhh!  I hate you!

>LR SIII Hardtop LWB with tailgate $650

Gotta have it!

>LR 109 rear body , good condition $250

Need it!

>LR Defender double cab utility body, brand new with canvas canopy $900

Dunno what it is, but I want it!

>LR IIA LWB hard top $400

I can use that!

>LR IIA LWB ute back $150, tailgate $40, guards $70

Need 'em!

>Having spoiled your day.... I'll go away.

<SOB!>

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:34:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "James M. Davis" <jamesd@baker.cnw.com>
Subject: Re: prospective range rover buyer

Jim:

I found your response to the prospective range rover buyer, quite 
informative. I was wondering if you would post your evaluation of the 
1993 to current range rovers, as well as information on what you think 
about the discoveries.

TIA

Jim Davis
1966 IIA 3dr petrol

On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Jim Allen wrote:

> Chris,

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 78 lines)]
> Good luck!
> Jim Allen

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From: fillin@argonet.co.uk (Phil/Lin Spiegelhalter)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 21:40:39
Subject: Re: Driving on the Correct Side	Digest

Actually your question is the wrong way around...?

Apparently; originally, passage (traffic?) was on the left with the sword held
in the right arm (worn on the left side) - and you could attack / defend
yourself from those going the other way (as in jousts etc)

       |--x-|-        >>>>>>      direction of travel
_________ \_______________________barrier
               \
   <<<<<    -|-#-|   (< a horse and rider with sword in hand)

((Perhaps the real question is why are so many people right-handed))

However, Napoleon. when conquering most of Europe, was a little anti British /
everyone else, and decided to change which side of the road he travelled.--thus
mainland Europe moved to the right.

Note that French railways, Belgian railways, Japan, UK and former territories
(except USA/Canada etc) drive correctly - French railways were originally built
by British engineers.

Phil Spiegelhalter
-- 
 __  __  __  __      __ ___   _____________________________________________
|__||__)/ __/  \|\ ||_   |   / Internet provider for Acorn Risc Computers
|  ||  \\__/\__/| \||__  |  / Phil/Lin Spiegelhalter - fillin@argonet.co.uk
___________________________/ Acorn RiscPC with StrongArm / A4 Portable user

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:21:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Driving on the Correct Side Digest

On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Phil/Lin Spiegelhalter wrote:

> Note that French railways, Belgian railways, Japan, UK and former territories
> (except USA/Canada etc) drive correctly - French railways were 
> originally built by British engineers.

	In what sense?  Where double tracked which way they go is almost
	random in my experience.  

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:14:54 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Driving in Japan, lhd/rhd

>> Note that French railways, Belgian railways, Japan, UK and former territories
>> (except USA/Canada etc) drive correctly - French railways were 
>> originally built by British engineers.

When I rode the Shinkansen bullet train from Okayama to Tokyo several years 
ago, we passed the south-bound train on our left, (whooooosh, both of us 
doing about 150mph at the time) ie: we were on the right-hand track. The 
regular train I rode to school travelled on the left-hand track from Newase 
to Okayama in the morning and the right-hand track in the afternoon. 
Japanese automobile traffic is in the right-hand lane. Perhaps they have 
more history of jousting than the USA, but less than England, or never 
fought the French?

John Ousterhout
jouster@earth.rocket.com

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.4.1, SECURITY (703)604-2590 X6318"
Subject: Valve Tap

Thanks for the suggestions on the valve tap question.
Apparently Quintin knows the vehicle.  I'll try the new v-cover gasket first. 
If that doesn't work I'll try the rest.

Sorry about opening the can of worms on the the hub locking question.  Consider
it closed.

One more question on the valves, in particular adjustment methods.  The Haynes
book suggests an adjustment sequence that is supposed to minimize the number of
times the engine needs to be turned during the procedure.  Is it necessary to
follow this procedure?  Could I adjust the valves for a particular cylinder
when the piston is at TDC on the firing stroke?  Just curious.

Dan Rao
(prasadaraodp.nimitz@navair.navy.mil)

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:10:39 -0800
From: jouster@rocket.com (John Ousterhout)
Subject: Driving in Japan, correction

>Japanese automobile traffic is in the right-hand lane. Perhaps they have 

OOPS, _LEFT_HAND_, I MEANT _LEFT_HAND_ LANE 

(Glad I didn't mention Dormobiles, tailgaters or Toyotas)

John (handedness challenged) Ousterhout
'64 109 diesel, driven in either lane

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:41:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: LH RH

Mike Rooth You got it,!!! 
   passing on the left permits you to be sneaky and conceal the weapon in
your right hand until close to. Passing on the right shows the oncoming
party that you do not have a weapon in your hand. ( I am not passing
judgement on my North  American neighbours !! ) and you can see that they
too do not have a weapon in their right hand.  Thats why lefties are treated
with suspicion.
 LR content;  I have a 109

 Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile.

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:49:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: 22593

Trevor asks about 22593, could it be the part number of the frame ?
 My 52 parts list jumps from 21999 to 23000, dont have the  later ser 1 book
   Bill Leacock

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Tickford drgs

Tony Hutchins, author of the definitive work on the pre production 80's sold
scale drawings of the complete vehicle  years ago for 5 quid apiece. I have
one somewhere in my archive.

  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:48:05 +0900
From: gnome@root.or.jp (Shunichi Nishi)
Subject: Re: Driving in Japan, correction

Yes,
LEFT-HAND

________________________________________

Shunichi Nishi  ^[$B!Z@>!!=S0l^[(J:in Japanese^[$B![^[(J
17217-1674, Hara-V, Suwa-Gun
NAGANO, 391-01 , JAPAN
 ^[$B!&^[(JPhone : +81-266-74-2167 ^[$B!&!&^[(J Fax  : +81-266-74-2334 ^[$B!&^[(J
_____________________________________________________
e-mail : gnome@root.or.jp
WWW   : http://www.root.or.jp/gnome/
             http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~gnome/rover.html
             http://members.aol.com/snishi/
_____________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:45:46 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Dipstick award self-nomination!

At the risk of one-downmanship...

Two years ago I was embarking on a long journey to Amsterdam with my 109
so I decided a test run was in order.

A severe metalic sound came from the rear-diff or transmission when
changing gear or starting up from stop.

Previous experiance told me - either faulty diff, faulty tranny phase,
or loose u-bolts on rear axle. I checked all this and couldn't find the
problem.

Tail between legs I drove to my LR workshop and admitted I was beaten.
Asked Marius, my trusty mechanic to give the car a short drive and offer
his opinion.

We drove onto the main road, working our way up the gearbox, and
clattering noise persisted. Got up to cruising speed in 4th on open road
and noise disappeared.

"Tell me, where do you keep the starting handle" asked Marius. "Behind
the seat, of course" I replied.

"Well wrap it in a cloth or leave it at home" he advised. Sure enought,
I leant behind the seat and lifted the handle out, and held it, whilst
he ran the car up and down the box - voila - no noise.

I went home a little ashamed, but still compensated by the fact that I
have a very good mechanic who always helps me, even when it means that
there is no work in it for him, who can laugh with me instead of at me,
and who never bills me for my own stupidity unless it requires genuine
spare-parts.

Why is it that however long we have driven these trucks, there is always
something new to learn - I love it!
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:15:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: 22593

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, William L. Leacock wrote:

> Trevor asks about 22593, could it be the part number of the frame ?
>  My 52 parts list jumps from 21999 to 23000, dont have the  later ser 1 book

	I do, it isn't there either.

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:52:29 +0001
Subject: Playing with petrol.

Evenin' All

I was on the way home from the eye specialist earlier today. Suddenly 
Aurens refused to respond to the movements of my right foot. I was 
of course tailgated at the moment, but that is not important. The 
road was a two lane with a double full line on the middle (no 
overtaking). I selected neutral and waited for a place to stop. The 
road side was blocked by vegetation and an anti salt defence they put 
up this time of year. The car was rolling slower and slower and 
suddenly i spotted a bus stop which is absolutely not the place to 
park (expensive - this road is patrolled quite often). The car had 
enough momentum to just pass the bus stop, go over the curb and come 
to halt on the grass. After checking the engine compartment i 
concluded that the fuel cut-off valve installed in connection with 
the alarm had stopped working. And i didn't have my tools. I was 
installing shelves at home and took my toolbox in for the first time 
in ages. To my relief i found a pocket toolkit under the mess in the 
dash shelf. When i undid the secondary hose, some petrol hissed down 
the hot exhaust without catching fire. Phew!. When i undid the 
primary hose i got soaked in petrol all over the torso. Seems that i 
have a good fuel pump. 

These cut-of valves seems to fail at the most inconvenient times. The 
PO must have suffered the same, - there were three used up valves 
fitted in various places inside the left wing. Now there is four. 
There is not going to be a fifth.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:04:03 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: gaiters again

Hi all,
I still haven't been able to find out if there is a gaiter kit for the current 
Defender. Of the two kits that I have been sent, RTC3826 fits earlier models, 
such as the NAS 110. The most recent Defender parts catalogue, which includes 
the current 300Tdi, shows only this this kit, which doesn't fit the 300, or the 
current NAS 90 (at least not without re-drilling and filing the metal brackets 
that fit to the swivel seal retainer). 

This kit is for sale if anyone is interested, for $85 which includes postage to 
the US.
Cheers,
Allan

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:04:01 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Subject: Re: Roadcraft

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> wrote:

 the official driving manual her (Roadcraft well worth the read
>for everybody).                  ^^^^^^^^^ 

What are the details on this please?

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute
Vieux Fort
St. Lucia, West Indies.
Tel +(758) 454 6060
Fax +(758) 454 5188

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:13:28 +1100
From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Subject: Tailgaters and anti-theft devices

My personal anti-theft trick with my sIII diesel was to (a) leave the
cutout pulled out (it looks like a choke, so it'd probably take time before
anyone realised that they had to push it in) and (b) leave the truck in 4wd
low, which leads to horrible steering on tar, and a top speed (2.25 diesel,
remember) that a 1-year-old child could beat.

As goes tailgaters, living in Canberra has made me aware that the 2 second
rule doesn't apply to public servants.  This town has two types of drivers
-- the incompetent moron going _far_ too slowly in front of you, or a
testosterone-poisoned adolescent hoon going _far_ too fast behind you.

I used to flash the brake lights (no effect), brake hard the accelerate (no
effect), slow down (no effect), lean out of the window and scream abuse at
the next stop-sign (no effect), and now I just ignore it (I need a new rear
cross-member anyway).  The only time recently that I took any notice was
when _I_ was doing about 80 km/hr in a 60 zone in town, and had a large
Woolworths semi so close to me that I couldn't see his headlights -- just
the 'roo bar and the "International" radiator badge.  In turned off as
quickly as I could, and let him pass.  It's times like that that make me
think of getting a job with the police, or maybe just hacking into their
computers so as to be able to issue tickets.

On that particular occasion I took the number and phoned Woolies to
complain, and was just shouted at by the local transport manager.  C'est la
vie ...

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:28:58 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Anit-theft Methods

At 10:19 AM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>"This car protected by Smith & Wesson."

Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily give such a strong graphic image of a big
brute packing a large handgun...

Perhaps a few bullet holes in the car, and some empty (spent) cartridges
lying on the floor?

>"This car protected by bad tempered big bloke with a broken beer bottle"

When I was in jr. high, my mom enrolled in the concert pianist program at SF
State, where, coincidentally, my violin lessons took place.  She had a
locker, and occassionally left stuff for me to pick up after school in it.
I was trying to get the lock open one day when a janitor(?) came by, and
says to me, "y'know, the guy who's locker that is is a big football player".
Stunned, I looked up at him incredulously and said "My mother?"  

Perhaps a sticker "This car protected by my mother-in-law"?  

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:29:07 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

At 11:04 AM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>I also like the idea of putting FWH's on all four wheels and leaving them
>>all unlocked...  8^)
                   ^^^
Note the -----------'

>Just a reminder: you live in San Francisco.  Last time I was there, the
>terrain was a bit hilly...

Not any more!  We fixed that in the last release...

>Before you try unlocking the rear hubs, you'd best do something about the
>parking brake.  ;-)

I learned the hard way how well the parking brake works with the rear axles
disconnected...  Luckily, Scotty was able to pull me out of the field with
his 88"...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:10:58 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Left vs right

Mike Rooth wrote:

>If two blokes on horseback...they'd be riding on the *right*....because the 
>lance is held in the right hand, andy used *across* the horse.

Spot (or rather) right on, Mike.  It's not lances, but *swords* and it goes 
back to ancient Greece...and on foot.  When approaching another (friend? 
foe?), you wanted to pass right-to-right to be ready for sword play if need 
be.  Later, there was a Papal decree that all pilgrims heading to Rome had 
to keep to the left to avoid accidents.  No word on what you did heading 
home, tho'.  This carried over everywhere until the 1700's or so.  The 
French, being, well *French*, decided to thumb collective noses at the pope 
and mandated *right* hand traffic.

In England, most freight and other wagons were driven postillion riders 
(seated on the horses, rahter on the wagon).  They continued to drive on the 
left side, seated on the right hand horse to keep an eye on things.  In 
America, where freight wagons were considerably larger, teamsters sat up on 
the wagons instead.  With the reins in the *right* hand and whip in the 
left, they drove on the left side of the road so as not to tangle wheels 
with oncoming traffic.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:11:01 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Beatles song

Jim Pappas wrote:

"Hell on wheels"...kinda neat song...does this get at least partial credit??

It does indeed!  The right answer.  But I'm sure it was recorded *before* 
"Band on the Run."  

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:10:54 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Virginia DMV

Seems that Quintin is having a bit of problems with the Virginia DMV.

First, no law says that you have to use a liscence plate made in our state's 
penal system.  You can register your British tags as a "vanity" plate if: 1) 
it fits (up to seven letters/numerals), 2) it's not already taken. It also 
can't "advertise" anything.  Sand Toler had BASS ALE for a while, until the 
local distributor got pissed off and complained to DMV.  They will send you 
a plate, but to be legal, all you have to do is affix the month and year 
decals to the British tags.

As to "historic" plates, which you buy *once*, these limit use of the 
vehicle.  By law, vehicles (and they have to be 25 years+) can only be 
driven to/from a gas station or repair shop, a show or rally or on weekends. 
 Even though the plates are a one-time purchase, the vehicle still has to 
pass annual inspections - if it is to be driven on the highways.  I know a 
lot of Rovers in Virginia, but I don't know *one* of them running on 
historical plates.  Hope this helps.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:43:13 -0500
Subject: Re: 22593

In a message dated 96-11-14 17:48:51 EST, you write:

> Trevor asks about 22593, could it be the part number of the frame ?
>   My 52 parts list jumps from 21999 to 23000, dont have the  later ser 1
book
>     Bill Leacock

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:48:25 -0500
Subject: Re: 22593

Bill Leacock makes a reasonable guess:
> Trevor asks about 22593, could it be the part number of the frame ?
>   My 52 parts list jumps from 21999 to 23000, dont have the  later ser 1
book

22593 is not a SI part number, at least for '54-'58. The 107 frame is 246522.
I con't have a reasonable guess as to what the number is. It doesn't seem to
be part of any SI vehicle id number.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:53:08 -0500
Subject: Re: RHD

>>Hang about....<snip>Because the lance is held in
the right hand,and used *across* the horse.<<
Quite true, I think there's a flaw with the "correct" answer;  I figured it
was like fortress design.  You enter with the fortress walls on the right
(usually the sword hand) This was typical of all sorts of cultures both
Western and Eastern. This way, your shield was on the wrong side giving you a
exposed flank to archers on the walls.  Maybe, same thing applied with
horses;  it just let the other rider know that you didn't have "non-peaceful"
intentions by exposing your flank to him..... 

My two cents,
Chris Fisher

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:08:12 -0500
Subject: Re: A sticky question...

I'm 'unsticking' a 3.0 litre motor, as found in a few NADA spec LR's. (It's
in a P5, but I need any advice I can find, maybe someone here knows). It's
been 'idle' since maybe as long ago as 1973. I've been at it for only a week
now, working for about a half an hour for couple of 'sessions'. I'm soaking
the cylinders (actually entire block is filled), and not doing anything too
hasty. Today I did get it to rotate about 90 degrees. I had only wanted it to
go about 10 degrees, but it just went. Now it's tight again, so I just walked
away, a very important but hard thing to do. The next time I'm there
(Tuesday), I'll pull the valve cover(s) to see if I've got stuck valves, but
until then, can anyone tell me if the 3.0 IOE motor is what I'll call an
'interference' motor? By that I mean: if for some reason a valve should stick
open during its *normal* (meaning not broken springs, etc.) travel, would it
encounter the piston? I realize that because of the IOE design, it's really
only the intakes that need to be considered, and if a valve is sticking, I'll
be able to verify that when the cover comes off. I'm really just looking for
'food for thought'. I guess a timing chain could also be a culprit. Another
way to get the answer to my question would be to ask: if the timing chain
broke on a 3 litre IOE, would it mash the pistons and valves?
thanks for any info, someone must know...
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:26:29 -0500
Subject: 80" Tickford SWs (long, was Detailed 80" Tickford plans?)

Alan is looking for a project:
> So call me crazy - I want to build a Tickford. 
>  From what I can gather, they were basically an 80 with no rear body past
the 
>  seatbox, wooden, of course.

"The Original Land-Rover Series I" by Taylor has the most comprehensive
description of the 80" SW I've seen. I don't have Hutching's book, and will
leave it to the experts to dissect Taylor.

The 80" SW was probably influenced by the Jeep SWs introduced in 1947. While
the styling is reminicent of "woodies", all exterior surfaces are aluminium.
There isn't even any wood trim. The doors, rear quarters and tailgate have
formed swages, and the roof has compound curvature. So metal working ability
is more important than woodworking.

The 80" SW has a conventional 80" frame, grille panel, front fenders and
bonnet with spare tire carrier. The bulkhead is conventional with an
extension on top. The frame has rear extensions. To quote a small portion of
Taylor's description: "The Station Wagon back body shares no common
components with the back body of the basic 80-inch Land Rover.......They were
built by traditional coachbuilding methods, with aluminium alloy panelling
over a wooden framework bolted together and reinforced with metal fitch
plates."

"In essence, the back body consists of two wooden side frames with extensions
at roof level that meet up with the front frame. These side frames
incorporate the rear side window surrounds and bracing for the lower side
body panels....."

"...The rear side panels incorporate swage lines which avoid a slab-sided
appearance, and the roof is a single sheet of Birmabright alloy."

"Like the reat of the Station Wagon body, the doors are built on wooden
frames and are completel different from their counterparts on the basic
Land-Rover."

The wood frame in the SW would be a straightforward project for a compotent
woodworker with cabinetmaking or boatbuilding experience. The metal work
would be straightforward for an experienced panel beater. The lower back body
could be built with a minimum of special tools. A brake and stretcher would
be vey useful, and of course compotence in welding aluminum would be
esstential. The roof would require considerable talent with an English Wheel.
I know several folks who could easily do the metal work or the complete body
including metal work. But I doubt you would save much over buying a genuine
80" SW. (BTW, if anyone is interested in English Wheel technique, get John
Glover's videotape, or better yet attend one of his workshops.)

Probably the neatest single feature of the 80" SW is the aluminum "bowl" type
spare tire cover. I wonder how one would look on a SII SW?

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:37:57 -0500
From: Brad F Worls <bworls@ovnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tailgaters and anti-theft devices

Paul,
  I do agree that there are two types of drivers.  But they are 
	a) morons - those who drive slower
	b) a**holes - thoes who drive faster
  It does suprise me that I run into so many 'morons' here.  I currently
drive a VW camper, 1.8l, puts out 80hp at the flywheel.  Lots of hills
of 5% to 9%.  Drives slower than a LR and is even less Aerodynamic. 
Can't wait to find that special rover and move into the fast lane! ;)
  It does not matter who you are or what you drive; the rule still
applies. A friend of mine drives a porsche 911.  The other day traveling
on the interstate at ~90 mph, a viper blew past us going greater than
warp 3.  True to the above stated rule my friend, traveling 25 mph in
excess of the limit, procedes to enlighten me as to the personality of
the bloke in the viper. (ie what a f ing a**hole)  This had nothing to
with eradic driving just that he was going faster.
  As to tail gaters I usually try to ignore them.  Flip up the rearview
and block the glare from the side view.  They eventually get tried and
find a way off of my bumper.  Often I wish they would slam into the back
of me.  Rear engine = totaled VW = money for a rover ;)
	Always,
	  Brad

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:31:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: LRs in FOUR WHEELER magazine

Sorry about the cross post, but the December 1996 issue of FOUR WHEELER has
something for everyone.

I picked it up to see the Suburban test (almost got my wife in one but the
AWD van made more sense and she liked it better).

But...I saw the issue also had articles on

Fitting larger tires to your 4x4, including LRs, and the gearing changes.

A 3 page article on the 96 Camel Trophy...38 LRs!  Why do they have the rack
mounted lights on in the middle of the day?

How to upgrade a Defender 90, from engine to traction to suspension to
ignition and on and on.  Good stuff!

And a short article on a 1952 Series 1 Woody SW. (Opposite the Mile Marker
winch ad).

I actually bought the issue...even remembered to read the 'burb' test.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883   lmkessler@srnet.com

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:19:06 -0800
From: paarch@ix.netcom.com (Paul Archibald)
Subject: Birthdate for my LR

I just received the birthdate info from John Riley re: My '58 88".
"on or about the 2nd of July 1958. The vehicle was subsequently despatched
to Messrs. Males Garages Ltd. of Yeovil, Somerset for sale/distribution."
It's green colour is true to it's original complexion, but it was not
attached to the military.
Well it looks like I have a mision here, I was planning on doing a
frame-over over the next year. I think that I will now need to work faster
and get er back on the road for a 39th birthday celebration. I think that I
will have to design a special ale to commemorative the event.
Paul

Paul Archibald
Parch@smmff.com
(510)353-1320 or wk. (408)487-1336
'58 88" RHD 2-litre ....uh oh Lucas strikes again :^(
"87 Range-Rover-160,000 miles-"going strong" (Squeak)

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: Update to the Celebs. list
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:59:06 -0700 (MST)

Sorry, haven't taken the time to check the celeb list, but there was a 
news item in LROI recently:

Susan George and husband Simon MacCorkindale suffered neck injuries when 
their Range Rover rolled on the M40.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:09:08 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@www.adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Playing with petrol.

S. Vels wrote:
> Evenin' All
> I was on the way home from the eye specialist earlier today. Suddenly
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
> rgds
> sv/aurens

HMMM... Yes, sounds familiar (the clever petrol cut-out trick). Two
months ago a friend who insisted on taking his Strange Rover with on an
overland trip through Botswana experienced the same thing. He'd be
toiling along in low third at about 10km/h on some of the most
horrendous excuses for sand tracks when his immobiliser would immobilise
him (not the factory-fitted, undocumented, Lucas immobiliser either).
Whenever this happened he would push a bow-wave of sand up in front of
his wheels, whereupon he could spend the next half hour, while waiting
for the vehicle to cool down, digging the mounds of sand away from the
front of his wheels and cursing his immobiliser.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

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