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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:03:15 +0800 (SGT)
From: silkris@pacific.net.sg (Silver Kris)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Speed

Hello,

Wondering if anyone has tried to "calibrate" your speedo. 80km/h works out
to be 45 secs per kilometre. Try driving at 80km/h according to your
speedo, and get an assistant to clock the time that the hodometer takes to
make 1 km.

Thought you might like to know.
Cheers,
Lawrence
Singapore
Ser III 2.6l 109

>"Eric-
>       One thing to remember about Land Rovers is their notoriously
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>215/85/15 rubber indicated speed was 65 mph. Estimated actual speed 52 mph.
>It sure seemed like the latter as I got in everyones way!!!

Silver Kris, Singapore Airlines Inflight Magazine

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:05:35 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Over the Hill Camel Trophy

        These days on Camel, the driving is secondary to the physical
tests. The requirement for youth goes beyond mere physical strength and
endurance. Living almost entiresly without sleep for weeks, being exposed
to a mutitude of vermin, bacteria and noxious what-have-yous is for younger
bods. Experience has shown that older men are less immune to this. Also,
experience has shown that younger joints (especially knees) are better
>suited. Many older athletic types have old "football injuries" or "war
>wounds" that can come unglued in a really tough situation.

Having seen the photos etc,frankly,it seems that the vehicles are
redundant,and that they would get on much better without them.It
would seem that the Disco's are merely in the thing to provide
something to get out of silly situations.Why they dont just dump
'em off with a Bergen and let 'em get on with it is beyond me.
If they want to join the SAS,apply to Hereford.
The Trophy used to be about getting around with vehicles,not
giving yourself problems in future life.More drive,less strive,
is my vote.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Franz Parzefall <franz@max.physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Speed
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:17:12 +0100 (MET)

Lawrence,
| Wondering if anyone has tried to "calibrate" your speedo. 80km/h works out
| to be 45 secs per kilometre. Try driving at 80km/h according to your
| speedo, and get an assistant to clock the time that the hodometer takes to
| make 1 km.
But who tells you that the odometer is accurate? I tried to check my speedo
on the highway and measured the time between the km marks at the roadside. 
Mine turned out to show 7.5% too much at 100km/h. Now I know why all this 
trucks are overtaking when I drive at 90km/h.  ;-)
cu.
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                franz@physiol.med.tu-muenchen.de
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      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]      Brumml, exmil. 1989 Land Rover 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 12 Nov 96  7:32:16 EST
Subject: Re: Land Rover Speed

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 07:59:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: LR BBQ

>Has anybody direct experience open fire BBQing with a Series 
>grille?  True that the grid openings are so large a half chicken
>is the smallest piece to not fall through?  Mark 

Umm, tried it with my Series III grille, so I never got to the point where grid 
opening size was a factor.
Just kidding, but the plastic grille IS "toast"...with a VERY large opening, for
that matter. Big enough for a WHOLE chicken. 
I'd say the metal grille openings are much smaller than any standard BBQ grills 
which usually only have bars running one direction. 
BTW, there was a front PTO-driven spit attatchment, along with a hinged grille 
and bumper mounted BBQ. Made by WEBER...attaches to the carb for opitonal petrol
feed, quite efficient and economical actually. Id no't think even Lanny at 
Rovers North has any of these left...

Dave B.
72 SIII w/Late IIa grille...

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Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:17:41 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: NEW CLASSIC CAR LAWS

Dear Chris,
 I assume from your e-mail address you are in the U.S. (sorry if I'm wrong!)
This message was about the British Government changing the laws about free
tax for vehicles 25 years or older.
Mathew

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Registration Opportunity?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 08:24:00 EST

 LICENSING CHANGE: Starting sometime in 1997, the issuing of
   license plates, the registration of motor vehicles and the issuing
   of driving licenses, as well as many related matters, will be
   turned over to private entrepreneurs who will operate under
   concessions granted by the Transportation Ministry, the government
   said. (El Universal, p.2-2)

The above excerpt came from the Venezuela Newspaper Summary. Will 
privatization present an opportunity for grey market registration by mail?

Trevor "cynics'r'us" Easton

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:48:41 +0000
Subject: LR Speed & Tailgating

>Tailgating happens because humans are a flawed species.  To avoid
>trouble, traffic safety experts agree on this rule above all others:
>"Do not respond to provocation."  If you are being followed too
>closely, signal and move to another lane.  Do not even look at the

Hahahaha! American are you??????? I would LOVE to have a spare lane 
or three to move into to do exaclty as you suggest. But in single 
laners, it is not an option.

>The remedies recently posted on this list for tailgaters make
>entertaining reading.  It can certainly be therapeutic to write about
>what we would like to do to these boors.  But on the road, let us
>ignore them and Rover on.

Ignore em and next time a kid steps out in teh road, you have a 
towball ornament (and probaly a dead kid). Tailgaters remove the 
option of braking to avoid any accident - not a very safe 
situation........If I have atailgater, he will NOT be doing it for 
long. I guarantee it. I have NO reason to allow some idiot to 
detrimentally affect MY safety. He is going to have to go, one way or 
another..........

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From: Andy Woodward <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:48:41 +0000
Subject:  Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

>Probably the best anit-theft device is to rough up the paintwork a
>bit (some green-laning should help).  This should make it look as
>though it's not worth stealing ;-)

An oily box of bits + a couple of spanners on the front seat with an 
apologetic note in the windscreen that you'll move it as soon as 
possible.

No point in stealing something you'll have to push..........

Or a box with a radioactive sticker on it apparently was the only car 
not stolen when the plods left a few out in London unlocked.......

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From: "Randall Thomas" <rthomas@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:06:16 -0500

> 1st - today my "service engine" light came on.  It came on while I was
sitting 
> at a stop light and my engine decreased in RPMs (like the idle was set
too 
> low).  A few stops later the engine died.  I restarted it and have had no

> problems since.  However, the service engine light is still on.  Any 
> suggestions.

You probably just need to clean the air bypass valve which (I'm assuming
it's like my 88 RR) is mounted to the intake plenum right rear.  This
provides the only air supply to the engine during idle conditions, and when
the bugger gets dirty its classic response is to stall the engine when
coming to a stop. i.e. the throttle plate closes completely and the valve
can't take over.  The light came on because the ECU sensed the fault
condition and probably "latches" the light on.  They want you to go to the
dealer.  I'm not sure on D90s but you could try resetting the ECU
(disconnect power) and see if the light goes off after.
Cheers

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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:21:37 +0000
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

> From:          marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
> Subject:       Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> X-To:          Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
> Date:          Tue, 12 Nov 96 9:35:21 GMT

> Also, why was the caravan park on the side of a steep hill in the first place?
> Perhaps we are turning into a nanny state, and common-sense is extinct?
> Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> To:            Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
A lot of caravan sites are on hillsides.  It means that each caravan 
will have a good view.  When I was at university I worked on a large 
site over the summer.  Nearly all the caravans were placed to give 
the best views.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 14:19:02 GMT

> An oily box of bits + a couple of spanners on the front seat with an 
> apologetic note in the windscreen that you'll move it as soon as 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Or a box with a radioactive sticker on it apparently was the only car 
> not stolen when the plods left a few out in London unlocked.......

Hmmm, I'd thought of radioactive or "Bio Hazard" stickers. There's another
method - featured on my Web page (under construction, but it will be
http://www.compulink.co.uk/~rigel/alice.htm within the next day) - park
it in a ditch. This is a little impractical when you need a forklift and a
tractor to get you out...

Disconnecting the coil is another good one. Thought about fake grenades, but
suspect bomb disposal might finish the truck off instead...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:25:17 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: SII Shimmy

hello everyone,

after a short off-road excursion 2 weeks i noticed a vibration while
accelerating and shifting through the gears. i had just taken the rover out
of 4-low and had started driving down the highway in 2wd and noticed this
vibration  (especially noticeable in 2-3, and only slightly in 4th).  my
rover has free-wheeling hubs and when they are engaged i get a bad
vibration at speed. could the vibration with the hubs unlocked be a
carryover from the vibration when they are locked? From the thread on FWH
it seems that my rover isn't acting right...

Could it be...

1. Alignment (i've been known to hit large size pot-holes, rocks, stumps)

2. Worn-out front drive-shaft/universal joints

3. somethin' up with my warn hubs

Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL
1960 SII 88" SW

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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date:          Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:39:35 +0
Subject:       Re: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky b

> Date sent:      Mon, 11 Nov 96 23:57:00 UT
> From:           "Daniel Palmer" <2Palmers@msn.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Originally to:  lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:        Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake

> I have a 1994 D90.  I have two problems.
> From:           "Daniel Palmer" <2Palmers@msn.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> they are "truck brakes".  I question this because only one brake squeaks.  
> Additionally, the brake has started to squeal when I am driving at slow speeds 
> and when I am turning.  Any suggestions?
Are you sure it's the brake and not a wheel bearing or UJ.  Also some 
surfaces can produce a similar sound when turning on them.  This had 
me stumped for a while, trying everything before I realised that the 
squeeling was always in the supermarket car park and it wasn't only 
me who made the noise.

Alan Jardine, ATD. 

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:41:02 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

At 01:21 PM 11/12/96 +0000, you wrote:
>> Also, why was the caravan park on the side of a steep hill in the first 
                     ^^^^^^^
>place?
>A lot of caravan sites are on hillsides.  It means that each caravan 
          ^^^^^^^                                             ^^^^^^^
>will have a good view.  When I was at university I worked on a large 
>site over the summer.  Nearly all the caravans were placed to give 
                                       ^^^^^^^^
>the best views.

Sorry, folks, but I seem to have fallen prey to the old "Two people
separated by a common language" thing.  

WTF is a caravan?

A.)   A minivan made by Chrysler (Dodge)?
2.)   A line of cars going to a football game, all honking there horns?
iii.) A bunch of camels hauling spice from the far east?

Or (as I suspect), something else entirely?  I recall a referrence to
towing a caravan in the recent LROI, but as they didn't have a picture of
any of the above (only a diagram showing weight distribution), I didn't get
it.  In the case of towing A:  Who'd want to?  I'd just leave it if it
broke down (unless I could sell it for another series vehicle or two).  As
far as towing 2:  Seems somewhat impractical on a 2.25l engine.  Regading
iii:  Read Mike Rooth's OTH Camel message.

Puzzled, and waiting for enlightenment,
C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD
Still don't have a Clue (Does Nissan make that model?)

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 09:47:00 PST

Check to make sure your brake shoe is not partially engaged.  I went   
off-roading and managed to nudge mine, so it squealed constantly...until   
I pulled it into place again.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Monday, November 11, 1996 11:57 PM
Subject:  Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake

I have a 1994 D90.  I have two problems.

1st - today my "service engine" light came on.  It came on while I was
sitting
at a stop light and my engine decreased in RPMs (like the idle was set   
too
low).  A few stops later the engine died.  I restarted it and have had no   

problems since.  However, the service engine light is still on.  Any
suggestions.

2nd - my right front brake spueals.  The Land Rover dealer says it is   
because
they are "truck brakes".  I question this because only one brake squeaks.   
   

Additionally, the brake has started to squeal when I am driving at slow
speeds
and when I am turning.  Any suggestions?

DJP
2palmers@msn.com

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From: "David Olley at New Concept" <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: V8 Diesels
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:55:11 -0000

> any diesel is more heavily stressed than a petrol engine,if only
due to the much
> higher compression ratio.

Surely a sweeping generalisation.
Any engine of high power is more heavily stressed than a low power
unit. The question is, is it designed accordingly?
A diesel engine will be built to a spec that takes account of local
stresses so that in use it is not overstressed.

A large, torquey engine in a small chassis is going to be less
stressed than the smaller engine, no?

There ain't no substitute for cubic inches. Speed is simply
determined by the highest revs that the engine can make, together
with appropriate gear numbers and ratios. Since most diesels tend to
have a lower rev peak, they will have a lower top speed. But they
will get there quickly and easily (even when towing up a hill) and
stay there all day long.

David G. Olley
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New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:06:42 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Over the Hill Camel Trophy

Regarding the rigors of Camel Trophy

>Having seen the photos etc,frankly,it seems that the vehicles are
>redundant,and that they would get on much better without them.It
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>is my vote.
>Cheers
>Mike Rooth

Mike,

        In truth, the vehciles aren't redundant. They provide the 1000
miles worth of transportation. Along the way, they stop and abuse their
bodies at various predetermined points. During the transit stages, they
have to work together as a team. When they stop for tasks, they again
compete. Actually, the transit stages take most of the time so you get your
wish - they still spend most of the time driving, though not in
competition.

Jim Allen

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:12:04 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

>Puzzled, and waiting for enlightenment,
I think you call them trailers.The things you pull behind a vehicle
until you get brassed off,then stop and sleep in 'em.Detachable motor
homes without the motor.
Rgds
Mike Rooth

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From: Shawn A Saulnier <shawns@audio-online.com>
Subject: Re: V8 Diesels
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:18:30 +0000

I need to know why this fucking email will not turn off!  I have patiently
written to Majordomo@land-rover.tean.net and said unsubscribe in the text
section.  I am desperate for I can not use my email without going through
hundreds per day.  I have been trying for weeks and several attempts. What
should I do!

At 02:55 PM 11/12/96 -0000, David Olley at New Concept wrote:
>> any diesel is more heavily stressed than a petrol engine,if only
>due to the much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)]
>Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
>Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
>-----------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:20:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Andy Woodward wrote:

> Or a box with a radioactive sticker on it apparently was the only car 
> not stolen when the plods left a few out in London unlocked.......

	White cloth covered with fake blood on the centre seat.  Box
	with the biohazard sticker on the sides...

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:55:29 -0800
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: gray sealant

Solihull@aol.com wrote:
> Matt Abercrombie asks:
> >Does anyone know what the gray gunk that Land Rover used to seal between
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Looking for a P5 project
> Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

Go to Napa store and ask for Sealastic...or equivalent a 3M product..very 
easy to use to seal up stuff>>!!!

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:33:07 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: V8 Diesels

>Surely a sweeping generalisation.
Of course it is.What better way to start a discussion?A famous locomotive
engineer once stated"The power of a locomotive depends on its ability
to boil water."And if that wasnt a sweeping generalisation,what is?

Any engine of high power is more heavily stressed than a low power
>unit. The question is, is it designed accordingly?
>A diesel engine will be built to a spec that takes account of local
>stresses so that in use it is not overstressed.
>A large, torquey engine in a small chassis is going to be less
>stressed than the smaller engine, no?
Ah,now you are defining stresses.And in the latter part,I agree,but
I defy anyone to design the scantlings of a diesel engine such that
the internal stresses involved are the same as a petrol unit of
similar size.If only because if you beef up the reciprocating
parts,you increase the reciprocating stresses.

>There ain't no substitute for cubic inches. Speed is simply
>determined by the highest revs that the engine can make, together
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>will get there quickly and easily (even when towing up a hill) and
>stay there all day long.
Now whose making sweeping statements:-)Speed is as much a product
of power/weight ratio,rolling resistance,aerodynamics etc,as engine
size,surely.Granted,given a vehicle with the characteristics of
a brick,then engine size is the way to go,but its not the be all
and end all.The problem with diesels seems to be that they "brickwall"
at a certain RPM,and no way,whatever you do,will they rev any faster,
whereas a petrol unit will,on occasion exceed its design speed.
On the other hand,the diesel is better suited to high torque at low
RPMs,low being relative of course.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:41:08 -0800
From: Greg Spitz <Gspitz@concentric.net>
Subject: Mile Marker Winch

Does anybody have a Mile Marker Winch...One came on the 110 I just bought 
and no manual came with it.  I would like to get a manual if someone 
knows how to get one.
Greg

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:42:44 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

>        White cloth covered with fake blood on the centre seat.  Box
>        with the biohazard sticker on the sides...
Why fake?:-)
During the last manifestation of this question,didnt we decide a large
dog was the best deterrent?On the grounds that if it didnt bite
them it would lick them to death,and in the case of a Newfie,
probably drown 'em in drool?
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:57:00 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Over the Hill Camel Trophy

        In truth, the vehciles aren't redundant. They provide the 1000
miles worth of transportation. Along the way, they stop and abuse their
bodies at various predetermined points. During the transit stages, they
have to work together as a team. When they stop for tasks, they again
>compete. Actually, the transit stages take most of the time so you get your
>wish - they still spend most of the time driving, though not in
>competition.
>Jim Allen

Weeelll....I dunno Jim,I'm a bit more difficult to please than that:-)
More mature counsels,given the years,may well reflect that if you cant
shift that oil drum up that slope by mechanical means,does it really
need to be up there in the first place?And if so why?
And didnt I read somewhere that the most valued prize amongst the
participants was the Team Spirit prize? Voted for by their peers?
Presumably for the "non-competitive" bits?
Frankly,deciding the winner by means of some entirely artificial
dreamed up tasks is very like the penalty shootout at the end of
some football matches.A damned silly way of finding a winner in my
view.
But still,there you go..different ships,different long splices,
I suppose:-)
cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:01:43 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Mile Marker Winch

Does anybody have a Mile Marker Winch...One came on the 110 I just bought
>and no manual came with it.  I would like to get a manual if someone
>knows how to get one.
>Greg
Try:

http://www.etips.com/~winches/other.htm

If I remember there is an e-mail address on the site.
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:07:08 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: SII Shimmy

accelerating and shifting through the gears. i had just taken the rover out
>of 4-low and had started driving down the highway in 2wd and noticed this
>vibration  (especially noticeable in 2-3, and only slightly in 4th).
It sounds a bit like "The Jesus Nut",at least these were the symptoms
when mine came loose.You take off the rear propshaft,and in the
centre of the gearbox output flange is a large nut.This should be
TIGHT,and have a split pin in it to keep it holy.If your speedo is
wandering a bit,that's almost certainly what it is.
Rgds
Mike Rooth

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: V8 Diesels
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 11:11:00 PST

Now, now, cursing isn't needed.  First off, check your email address.   
 Your message may be a typo, but I'm not sure.  It should read:   
Majordomo@land-rover.team.net.  Also, when you use "unsubscribe" follow   
it with a space and the name of the group you belong to: land-rover-owner   
for real-time mailings or lro-digest for the once a day digest.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From:  LRO-Owner[SMTP:LRO-Owner@playground.sun.com]
Sent:  Tuesday, November 12, 1996 10:18 AM
Subject:  Re: V8 Diesels

I need to know why this fucking email will not turn off!  I have   
patiently
written to Majordomo@land-rover.tean.net and said unsubscribe in the text
section.  I am desperate for I can not use my email without going through
hundreds per day.  I have been trying for weeks and several attempts.   
What
should I do!

At 02:55 PM 11/12/96 -0000, David Olley at New Concept wrote:
>> any diesel is more heavily stressed than a petrol engine,if only
>due to the much
         [ truncated by lro-lite (was 33 lines)]
>Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
>Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
>-----------------------------------------------------

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 12 Nov 96 09:16:07 MST
Subject: Getting more heater output...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Is there any way to improve the amount of heat output, and specifically,
air volume from a Smiths heater? I've heard them referred to as
"shinburners" but my shins are yet to feel the heat! With both "doors"
open to the heater, very little air flow is detected. When only one
"door" is open, I can START to feel it warm my legs, but with all the
drafts in the ole 109 (yeah, I need door seals, fixing floor panel
leaks, etc...) it hardly makes any effect on the cabin comfort level,
much less do anything to demist the windshield.

Would it help or harm anything to take a hose to it and spray inside the
"doors"? Maybe it's plugged up with 26 years of dust and dirt?

When it's cold, and I first turn it on, it squeals for a few seconds.
Any way to oil the motor?

Thanks for your help!

D D D Dave BrBrBrrown, C C C Cold in P P P Phoenix. (Yeah, I know, I'm a
woosie, and don't know what REAL cold is! But I was born in Wisconsin!)

What lies behind us and what lies    #=======#         _____l___
before us are tiny matters compared  |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
to what lies within us.              | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ _ _|}
Ralph Waldo Emerson                  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:41:02 -500
Subject: Re: SII Shimmy

Mike,
Tell me more about the "Jesus nut".  Curious.  Mark  

------------------------------

From: ben@bell-labs.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:43:29 -0500
Subject: Jack Mac, axle spindles, half-shafts..

Jim Allen wrote:
> >Does anybody know anything about the Jack Mac manually locking Diff?
> >The new Four Wheeler has a short article on building Defenders and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> could interchange but the axle lengths are different.
>         You replace both axles (and drive flanges) with 24 spline units.

so do they sell the complete replacement assy: inner + outer 1/2-shafts, CV
joints, drive flanges, etc??
Does anyone know if any of the above and also the front spindles are
interchangeable w. any GM/Frd/IH/J*p vehicles?

Speaking of that, turns out that both wheel brngs for my truck are same PN
as the inner one on my Bronco - 603011 - $5.00 at Pep Boys, vs. L18.00
Un-believable!

For those who cared to read my post about the 1/2 shaft breaking: turned
out the outer wheel brng was completely busted.  So busted that the inner
race was swaged on the spindle, no rollers or cage to be found.  Of course,
I ignored the symptoms since I got the truck 2,000 miles ago.
So when the brng went, the splines on the driving flange got chewed up.
The 1/2-shaft is still 1/2-decent, but I am getting a spare.
The spindle: I cut the inner brng race off it, welded up the surface, and
the model shop at work turned it for me.  Cool.
I am getting the needed parts from Fam4x4 - good folks!

Meanwhile it would be good to know if anything else fits the older Rover
axle, like on pre-87 RR or stage, like outer shafts or spindles or ??
thx
Jan

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:00:03 +0000
Subject: Re: SII Shimmy

Quoting Mark Gehlhausen, from 12 Nov 96

> Tell me more about the "Jesus nut".  Curious.  Mark  
Isn't that the "Jesus, that's a thight nutt" nut?

or am I just a nutter?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:15:34 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: tailgaters

Not that I am usually the one to return a thread to seriousness, but...

Tailgaters are the cause of a great many accidents. If you have one you
should make it your top priority to get rid of them.

There are several ways of doing this. I personally don't drive vehicles
which hold up the traffic as I don't like travelling that slowly, and I
think it's dangerous to be permanently tailgated.

Some one driving closer than the normal 2 second rule is effectively a
tailgater. Sometimes it is safe to drive closer than this, and the gap
at which you may need to take drastic action will vary so I will not
attempt to define it here.

I will say that LRs are large and often hard to see through (even if you
use the windows) so a car following such a vehicle (or an LR following
something larger) MUST leave a larger gap to account for not being able
to see infront. If a LR is following a Lotus 7 you can see very well
around it so you are safer at the same distance as if you were further
behind a larger vehicle that you couldn't see past.

This does not mean that you should drive up the backside of a Lotus 7,
just that you should be aware that different vehicles offer different
visibilities and you MUST take this into account.

A 7 will easily out brake a LR on knobbly tyres, but you could probably
drive straight over the top and hardly notice :-)

If you feel the car behind has got dangerously close behind and you are
travelling at the speed limit in town. you should begin a tiring process
of slowing to 2-3 MPH below the limit, waiting for the cretin to slow to
that speed then back up to the limit. The cretin will probably not
notice for a while and you will have a safe gap. Soon he will be
investigating the tow ball again and you do the same thing. You only
slow by easing off the gas. No sudden deceleration to piss him off or
cause an accident. Brake lights won't help you much either. This will
continue until he passes or goes the other way. It's a real pain, but I
can think of no other way, apart from pulling over, which you shouldn't
feel you have to do if you can keep up with the traffic/speed limit. You
can always pull over of he is a real dickhead though.

If you are on the motorway and cannot maintain the speed of the slower
traffic, ie 50-55 MPH trucks then you should not be on the motorway.
This will probably upset a lot of people, but it true. How many times do
you see traffic jams on motorways caused by one driver farting along at
30 MPH while the rest of the traffic has to squeeze by in the other 2
lanes?

At 50 ish you can sit with the trucks without causing a major problem
and tailgaters can use the other lanes to get by. If you get one who
won't overtake you should just slow until he does. Be very aware of the
juggernaut bearing down on him while both of you crawl along a 10 MPH.
Remember he is a dickhead and won't know what is coming. You shouldn't
need to slow by much on these sorts of roads to get them to pass. 10 MPH
on a motorway was a joke BTW...

Single lane (in each direction) roads. These are harder. It is
reasonable to travel slowly on these. It is also harder for a cretin to
overtake. Some will not overtake even when it is safe. Tapping the brake
light will often work in all these circumstances to encourage an
overtake or greater distance.

A trick I use on the bike if I want a little more room is to wobble. If
it looks like you are a liability you often get more room. Be careful
how much you weave about if it's a police car behind!

When it comes down to it. Pull over. Let the idiot past. Accidents hurt.
They cost money (even when I was fully insured it seemed to cost more
than I got back). The stress caused by accidents is immense. You really
don't want to have one, even if all you have to do is repaint the
cross-member afterwards.

It does say in the highway code that drivers of slow moving vehicles
should pull over to allow faster vehicles to pass. They do not define
slow vehicles, most people think it is people much slower than them and
do not pull over. I say it is people who have a queue of vehicles behind
them who can obviously travel at a much higher speed than they are being
forced to do at present.

You are not there to decide whether it is safe for another vehicle to
drive faster. If they want to go faster it is their lookout. Even if
they intend to break the speed limit, it is not your problem.

Your problem is preventing them from ramming you. If that means pulling
over, so be it. When you see them buried in the hedge a mile further up
you can have a smug warm glow. Or is that caused by the fire???

People get very bloody minded about tailgaters and upset by them. Don't
let it get to you. If there is a large queue behind you who are actually
being held up by you, rather than just behind you should pull over at a
suitable opportunity. This is regardless of whether you are doing 10 MPH
or 40 MPH. If you are doing 50 or more in a 60 limit road, you are
probably justified is not pulling over, but much less than that and you
really should.

It is still the ultimate way of deterring tailgaters. Well most. Some
will pull over behind you. In this case it's low ratio reverse & full
throttle. Unless it's the police!

Obviously you should not pull over at the first sign of a car behind
you... You could spend the entire day on the grass verge if you did!

Throwing things at them, blinding them, brake testing them is stupid,
dangerous and illegal.

Just my twopenneth.  Actually it's too long for that, it's fourpenneth.

Steve Reddock, Xyratex        |  "NEVER QUESTION AN
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450      |   ENGINEER'S OPINION,
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)            |   YOU THUNDERING MORON !"
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com  |     - Dogbert 1996

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:15:16 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Getting more heater output...

>woosie, and don't know what REAL cold is! But I was born in Wisconsin!)
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That explains it!  When I lived in Wisconsin, I was hot all the time in the
winter (at least while I was inside!).  They are into serious heating
there.  On the left coast, we don't bother heating well, as the cold
generally won't kill you.  That's why my relatives are always whining when
they come to visit (keeps the inlaws at bay, though!).  After a while, you
get acclimated to being a bit chilly.

C

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:10:46 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Getting more heater output...

Just the usual thoughts... check that the valve on the engine is all the 
way open, see if the fan is operating properly, check for obstructions in 
the plumbing and air stream.
These things don't do much more than take the chill off anyway, so don't 
expect too much.
You'll have to drain your coolant if you pull the unit.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:37:43 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Mile Marker Winch

>Does anybody have a Mile Marker Winch...One came on the 110 I just bought
>>and no manual came with it.  I would like to get a manual if someone
>>knows how to get one.
>>Greg

        Mile Marker
        1450 SW 13th Ct.
        Pompano Beach, FL 33069
        1.800.886.8647

        See Ya!!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:13:44 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Has anyone tried a Defender Bonnet Lock on an NAS D90?

In LRO or LRW, Craddock's advertises a "bonnet lock" for Defenders.
Does anyone know what it looks like, how it works, and whether it would
fit a North American Spec. D90?
Thanks and best wishes,
David Rosenbaum

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From: "David Olley at New Concept" <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Water Proof Land Rover
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:18:13 -0000

> Hi all,
> does anyone know, how to make a SIII 88 2.25 Petrol water proof !

We can make up a very large plastic coated bag. Guaranteed
watertight.  :-}

The Land Rover then just floats over rivers, lakes etc.........

David G. Olley
-----------------------------------------------------
New Concept, PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 8XR, England
Tel: +44-(0)1962-840769  Fax: +44-(0)1962-867367
Web Site: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
-----------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:26:17 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: D90 - "service engine" vs. "check engine" lights

In response to the question about the "service engine" light: is this the
one that comes on when the vehicle is due for a dealer service emissions
check (well past 30K miles)?
As I recall, isn't it a "check engine" light that comes on if the engine
is running badly?

Is the Defender in question due for required service?

Maybe I have this all mixed up.....
remember I'm the one who put 10 quarts of oil in my Defender for a short
time (10 imperial pints, and then some....)

David Rosenbaum

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:27:35 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

At 12:55 PM 11/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>day-to-day thing like The Club (which is oh-so-highly recommended by retired

And oh-so-easy to bypass with a simple battery powered carving knife...
(Cut the steering wheel, not the club...)

>Any comments on hidden switches, fuel cut-off (petcock type), boa
>constrictors or nerve-gas in the a/c vents? Basically what anti-drive-away
>types of deterrents are popular/working.

I've got two batteries, with a switch to pick one or both; it also has an
off position.  (And a keyed lock so you can't turn it on without the key.)
I also rely somewhat on the fact that my wiring is a mess, and it would be
hard to figure out what to jumpstart.  

One thing that I've seen that I like is a doohickey sold by J-somebody (they
sell the high-performance spark plug wires) which allows the car to be
started, but if a toggle switch isn't flipped within like 2 minutes of
starting, it kills the engine.  The idea is that you hide the switch, and a
would-be thief doesn't suspect it's there, and then after he pulls out of
the parking place, the car dies on him, in a very conspicuous way/place.
Also has a "valet" mode to disable it, but I don't think I'd use that much...

I also like the idea of putting FWH's on all four wheels and leaving them
all unlocked...  8^)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:28:13 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re2: ECOFLOW

At 02:45 AM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>The chicken discussion continues...

>Interesting point, Roger.. but then do I really want to get involved with a
>woman who would get into *my* Rover?? 

Would you want to get stuck with one who wouldn't?  Give me the camel trophy
type anyday over a citified beauty queen afraid to break a nail.  I prefer
women who are like cats -- cats can be all sweet and purring, and soft and
all that when it suits them, but kick a cat and it'll land on its feet and
come back at ya fighting.  Women (and men!) should be the same -- polite,
genteel, even stylish most of the time, but ready to get down and dirty when
necessary.  

Besides, it they only want to ride in the beemer, you have to sit there and
listen to 'em.  Worse than a live chicken.

>Besides.. strapping a live chicken to your engine beats putting one in your
>underwear any day of the week.. (think about it...)

Too true.  Worse, even, than having a badger crawl up your pant leg!  (Saw
the Red Green show last weekend for the first time!)

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:30:21 -500
Subject: Brake lines

Does anyone just happen to know the lengths of each segment of steel 
brake line for an '88, single system ?  
I just know someone on the list this weekend  was sucking a Guinness 
thru a straw whilst lying on their back under their 88 measuring the 
lengths of these brake pipes.  If not, volunteers ??(hehhehheh)

Also, my shift lever has partially parted from the 'ball' and is 
flopping all about, but I can still shift as long as I let out the 
clutch slowly, since who knows what gear I just shifted up/down to.
Attempting to 'weld' the lever-to-ball with both arc and heli-arc 
produced unsatisfactory results. (Gads, no,  me welding ?? Not likely.)
The weld kept 'blowing out' of the gap.  Is the ball some material other 
than steel, brass or bronze, perhaps, in which case brazing would be in order ?  
The magnet test would lead one to believe its steel, and the lever is 
steel, so what gives ?  Has anyone successfully repaired this 
problem, in the vehicle, or should I just order new parts and learn the hard 
way how long it takes to remove all the floorboard fastenings and the 
gearbox cover ???
Thanx.................
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Mile Marker Winch
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:17:28 +-100
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Greg Spitz[SMTP:Gspitz@concentric.net] wrote:
Does anybody have a Mile Marker Winch...One came on the 110 I just bought 
and no manual came with it.  I would like to get a manual if someone 
knows how to get one.

Mile Marker make nice hydraulic winches, that uses the power steering
pump.
I do not have the address here, I am home and it is late in Europe.
I will mail it in the morning from my office.
They also have an web page.
Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542/

------ =_NextPart_000_01BBD0DE.ED5E06A0

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:24:27 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Renewed call for a diesel manifold...

An imprudent high-centering incident over the weekend ( I wasn't at the 
wheel at the time! honest! ) busted the manifold at the point where the 
crack had developed. Some quick first aid with a bicycle spoke kept 
things together, but the manifold is now toast.
Once again I ask if anyone has a 2.25L diesel manifold in thier 
inventory. It has now become critical that I replace it.
Thanks.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:38:56 -0500
From: David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell)
Subject: Series colors

Hope I'm not opening a can'o worms but I can't seem to find a list of the
color names for Rovers. Newer models shouldn't be too hard to find but I'd
like to know the name of the faded green on my 1969 IIA. Any suggestions?
TIA

Cheers,

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:45:36 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: gray sealant

C. Marin Faure wrote:
> >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>   1973 LR Series III 88
>   1991 RR Vogue SE

I think you will be more pleased using the strip sealants sold by trailer 
window installers.  It comes attached to a piece of waxed paper and is 
about 1/2" wide.  It is perhaps 1/4" thick.  You roll out the amount you 
need as you remove the paper, and it a uniform seal that really works.  
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:50:27 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: SII Shimmy

jnk wrote:
> hello everyone,
> after a short off-road excursion 2 weeks i noticed a vibration while
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> Tallahassee, FL
> 1960 SII 88" SW

If you went off road in mud, did you check to see that some mud isn't 
still on the inside of the wheels acting like wheel weights thus throwing 
the balance off so much it feel like shimmy.  Been there, done that!  
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:46:26 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: +ve or -ve

Ian Harper wanted to know:

>How do I figure out if my Series 1 is negative or positive ground.   The
>PO didn't know (?) and the battery was gone when I got it.  There is
>obviously no -ve ground label.

Ian - put a battery in any which way and connect it. Switch the ignition and 
the lights on. If your ammeter works, it will either show charging (+) or 
discharging (-) - if it shows charging the battery is the wrong way round. 
Another possible indication would be the size of the battery terminals, *if* 
they have been changed around when the vehicle was converted. *If* the coil 
has been changed (which is not necessary, but recommended), you could find 
out from that. *If* the test lamp colours on the dash have been changed, 
that would also indicate negative earth (with positive, the black is above 
and the red below - most people don't bother, though). If you have an 
alternator instead of a dynamo, you have -ve earth for sure.

Anyway, if all else fails and there are no indications just put a battery in 
place and try starting. Nothing can really go wrong, unless you have a 
radio, a windscreen washer pump or other equipment that needs either +ve or 
-ve ground. If the engine runs well, that was it; if it doesn't, turn the 
battery around - if it runs better, that's it. The dynamo will run either 
way, so will the starter and the wiper motors. The coil works better one way 
than the other, but you may not even notice the difference.

Definitely worth what you paid for it!
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:46:23 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: 107" VIN

Trevor wrote:
>The PO of the Series 1 107" can't find the ownership and there is no 
>identifying marks or plates on the vehicle. In order to register I need a 
>chassis number. I was considering 57230094 as a good guess (?). Any other 
>1955 107 pickups out there that could give me a hint?

There might be a VIN on the transfer box instruction plate (in front of the 
red lever), and it should be stamped on the right-hand front springshackle 
bracket (if there still is one). 57230094 would be a good guess for a LHD 
export 107", although I would go for 57230001 - increases resale value!
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:46:21 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Norway

Terje wrote:
>Including the Lofoten islands is a good idea, but unless you want to
>drive all the way out and back again, I'd recommend taking the ferry
>from Bod=F8 to =C5 in Lofoten. =C5 is a tiny fishing village at the very =
>tip of
>Lofoten, with good bed and breakfast facilities.

=C5 stands for Aa, which is written as an A with a little circle on top in 
Norwegian. It means creek, and must be a sure winner in the race for 
shortest place name. It is located next to Tind (hill), which shows how 
isolated this place used to be. I didn't know there was a ferry going there, 
is that fairly new? Nice place, anyway, we stayed at the campground there.
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:33:45 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Series colors

At 02:38 PM 11/12/96, David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell) wrote:
:Hope I'm not opening a can'o worms but I can't seem to find a list of the
:color names for Rovers. Newer models shouldn't be too hard to find but I'd
:like to know the name of the faded green on my 1969 IIA. Any suggestions?

 David,

 Check Rumpole's home page at:  www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

 Kind regards,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:59:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Series colors

On 12 Nov 96 at 12:33, Michael Carradine wrote:

> At 02:38 PM 11/12/96, David_R@mindspring.com (David Russell) wrote:
> :Hope I'm not opening a can'o worms but I can't seem to find a list of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> :color names for Rovers. Newer models shouldn't be too hard to find but I'd
> :like to know the name of the faded green on my 1969 IIA. Any suggestions?

Like mine: Soylent Green

Rgds,
Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:55:06 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

Anti theft methods are certainly something I must address, especially since
my SII doesn't have any door locks at all and you can turn the ignition lock
to the on position with a screwdriver.

When I was in East Africa I was struck by how seriously Kenyans take this
problem.  By law every vehicle must have the registration letters etched on
all window glass. There is also a bewildering variety of devices fittd to
cars, such as fuel cut-outs, alarms, fake anti-theft blinking lights, keypad
ignitions and so on.  But the theft problem goes on.

When I was there a rather interesting urban legend was circulating which
told more of Kenya's internal problems than just vehcile theft.

According to the story, an unamed diploamt from an unamed country got tired
to having his car stolen so one day he left a bottle of scotch on the front
seat.  Sure enough the car was stolen and eventually found ways off.  The
Kenyan police found two people in the car, both dead.  They'd done the
natural thing and quaffed the scotch.  Trouble was the diplomat had laced it
with cyanide.  Both car thieves were police offieers.

And no, the car wasn't a Land Rover.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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From: ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 21:39:03      
Subject: Range Rover?

I'm one of those mad people who believe that a real land rover has a 2.25 diesel 
engine (:-) just protecting my "investment")... and now a friend has asked me to 
go and look at a Range Rover he wants to buy.

I know this is not the coil-sprung list, but I see many of you have RRovers.  Is 
there anything I should look for except what I would look for on a series vehicle?

I dont have very specific info on the thing, just that it's a 86 model with 
140000kms on it and a 3.5l engine, left hand drive (unusual for this country) and 
that it needs steering bushes.

It would be nice if someone could also tell me what you would pay for it compared 
to series vehicles so I could get a relative feel for the price.

thanks

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iwan Vosloo					eMail: 	   ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za
Department of Computer Science             	Tel: (SA)  012-420-3578
University of Pretoria				     (int) 27-12-420-3578

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:11:13 -500
Subject: RHD ???

Had a conversation with an English chap, one Edward Aspin, now from 
Seattle, who explained the logical reason why the UK uses the left 
side of the road as the right, or correct, side to drive on.
OK, you UK list members, let's compare notes.
This is a contest.  First with the correct (see below) answer Wins !
What is the historical 'reason' for driving on the left side of the 
'carriageway' in the UK ?
Post to me privately, as well as to the list,  and I will annnounce 
the winner,that is, he who first provides the correct answer (at least the one 
Aspin cited.)  (UK sigs, only)
UK Gentlemen, Start Your Engines !
GO !
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 12 Nov 96 14:14:06 MST
Subject: Discovery sighting.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
For what it's worth, I saw a "Discovery" - cut away view on page "S5" of
September "Computer Graphics World" magazine.

So... Do I win a prize???

Dave (always hoping) Brown

What lies behind us and what lies    #=======#         _____l___
before us are tiny matters compared  |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
to what lies within us.              | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ _ _|}
Ralph Waldo Emerson                  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:26:15 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass 
your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:31:28 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

John J. Tackley wrote:
> Had a conversation with an English chap, one Edward Aspin, now from
> Seattle, who explained the logical reason why the UK uses the left
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> * '81 300SD *
> * '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

In the days of knights in armour, the brave horsemen would pass each
other "starboard-to-starboard" thus allowing them their right hand
(their swordfighting and lance holding hand) a free field of fire to
defend themselves from the passer-by, if such a passer by should prove
to be a threat.

Thats my story and I'm stickin' to it -

How the rest of europe progressed through the crusades, the medieval
wars, and the following centuries, all fghting on the wrong side beat's
me - maybe continental europeans were all left-handed?
-- 
adrian redmond

---------------------------------------------------
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
---------------------------------------------------
"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
---------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:41:13 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

At 04:26 PM 11/12/96 -0500, Bill Adams wrote:
:Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass 
:your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.

 Correct, until you consider that you hold your shield on your left and
 want to pass your foe on your left so as to afford more protection.
 A shield on the left is most useless to ward off an attack from the right.

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: RHD ???
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:47:06 -0700 (MST)

< Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass 
< your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.

Dzzzzztt!  Bad answer!  You have just exposed a bigger piece of yourself 
as well.  You want to pass your foe on your left so that your shield 
takes the impact instead of your body (and with any luck it's the other 
guy who gets knocked out of his saddle).

I would beware of the alleged "correct" answer to RHD/LHD.  There are so 
many legends and superficially plausible answers floating around.

Why do only Brits qualify for the prize?  And what is the prize?

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: RE: Chassis No's for 107
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:00:30 -0800
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Look on top of the engine mount on the right side or on the front shackle mounts that is were the ID #s should be stamped. 

----------
From: 	Easton Trevor[SMTP:TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA]
Sent: 	Monday, November 11, 1996 5:12 AM
Subject: 	Chassis No's for 107

The PO of the Series 1 107" can't find the ownership and there is no 
identifying marks or plates on the vehicle. In order to register I need a 
chassis number. I was considering 57230094 as a good guess (?). Any other 
1955 107 pickups out there that could give me a hint?

----------

David Mercer
PO BOX 3713 
Olympic Valley CA 96146
ph  916-583-4829
fax 916-583-4829
merkin@sierra.net
53 S1 80" IN REBUILD  "THE HOON"
57 S1 107" SW, FOR SALE  "THE BUS"
63 SII 88"
65 SII 88", FOR SALE
66 SII 88"
69&71 MB U900s
86 MB 280GE 
88 SAAB 9000 

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Date: 12 Nov 96 17:05:56 EST
From: Rob Dennis <73363.427@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Brake lines

>> Does anyone just happen to know the lengths of each segment of steel 
brake line for an '88, single system ?  
I just know someone on the list this weekend  was sucking a Guinness 
thru a straw whilst lying on their back under their 88 measuring the 
lengths of these brake pipes.  If not, volunteers ??(hehhehheh) <<

I don't know how much this will help, but I have the measurements for the latter
dual system:

 Master Cyl to Rear Union: 81"
 Rear Union to Rear Hose : 46.25"
 Rear "T" to Left Wheel  : 38"
 Rear "T" to Right Wheel : 20"

 Master Cyl to Front "T" : 78.375"
 Front "T" to Right Hose : 44"
 Front "T" to Left Hose  : 75"
 Front Hoses to Wheel Cyl: 7.25" (2)

I got the SS Braided lines from:
    A Performance Products Inc
    2990 N Decatur Rd
    Decatur, Georgia
    (404) 296-7997

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]     1996 Discovery
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 12-Nov-1996

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:47:35 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

Michael Carradine wrote:
> At 04:26 PM 11/12/96 -0500, Bill Adams wrote:
> :Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>  510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
>  cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

Further to the RHD.  I heard that all countries in Europe used to have 
this as the side until Nepoleon came along and changed it, however to 
show they had never been beaten by his nibs, England decided to continue 
to use the "old side" as it were as a badge of honour.  At least that is 
what I was told.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:35:19 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Renewed call for a diesel manifold...

Adams, Bill wrote:
> An imprudent high-centering incident over the weekend ( I wasn't at the
> wheel at the time! honest! ) busted the manifold at the point where the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> 3D Artist/Animator
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel.
> Soon to be Triumph Trophy owner ?

Call Dixon Kenner, he has one in his parts bin that came from me.  Maybe 
you can spring it from him :-)  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Discovery sighting.
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 09:49:00 EST

No prize unless you scan the pix and post it for us to view.  Hmm, with 
copyright these days, perhaps you had better ask the magazine to upload the 
pix for us.
Ron

 ----------
From: debrown@srp.gov
Subject: Discovery sighting.
Date: Wednesday, 13 November 1996 7:14AM

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
For what it's worth, I saw a "Discovery" - cut away view on page "S5" of
September "Computer Graphics World" magazine.

So... Do I win a prize???

Dave (always hoping) Brown

What lies behind us and what lies    #=======#         _____l___
before us are tiny matters compared  |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
to what lies within us.              | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ _ _|}
Ralph Waldo Emerson                  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:26:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Renewed call for a diesel manifold...

On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, David Place wrote:

> Call Dixon Kenner, he has one in his parts bin that came from me.  Maybe 
> you can spring it from him :-)  Dave VE4PN

	Depends which one, intake or exhaust...  Intake here.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:53:03 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: +ve or -ve

At 08:46 PM 12/11/96 +0100, lopezba@atnet.at, wrote
The coil works better one way 
>than the other, but you may not even notice the difference.

Hmmm, Peter, would intensity of spark be improved by changing around the coil? 

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:23:46 -0500
Subject: 97 D90s, etc.

I just got home from the South Florida Auto Show, where I made the obligatory
rounds before stopping at the LRNA display. Of course I had to look at all
the 4x vehicles there...

Here's what the manufacturer's reps told me: 

At the J**p stand: (looking at the new Rubicon Edition) Well, no, it can't
actually complete the entire trail in stock form... it is named Rubicon to
convey the image of ruggedness blah, blah...

At the Toy maker's: (looking at a 4runner) yes, there are differentials in
the axles, but I'm not aware of a center differential... (I then ask about
lockers just to further confuse the dolt) Yes the rear differential is a
lockable-slip differential...

So then I "lowered" my Rover Working Knowlegde Quotient and headed over to
LRNA's display. They had two discos, a 4.0SE, a 4.6 HSE, a 97 D90 as well as
the US team's Camel Trophy disco. 

So I wandered around with a blank look and sure enough some geezer in a Ruta
Maya/ Wyoming Experience/ Barcelona Trials fishing vest wanders over (He may
not qualify for the Over the Hill CT). I start asking him all the standard
stuff like price, options etc., before luring him to the D90. I then ask
about the new engine and transmition. He says the auto box is "specially
designed for the American Driver... It is electronically calibrated to
perform in very rough conditions... Just look at what they do in the video
over here...  The interior looked similar except for the shift lever being
moved back and new style graphics for the instruments. The speedo looks
easier to read, but we'll see. (I conned them into a test drive at the
dealership, after the show) The 90 had plastic ferns *hiding* the chassis and
axles with speakers playing a burping frogs and crickets jungle soundtrack. I
asked if that was the Lucas ghost coming to haunt the electrics... Just then,
there was a hiss from the elevated CT Disco and smoke (effects) poured out
from underneath and front and back... gosh, it wasn't a short circuit was it?
I thought diesels smoked in black?

pat parsons
93  110

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:26:30 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: tailgaters

>Not that I am usually the one to return a thread to seriousness, but...

Party Pooper!

>Some one driving closer than the normal 2 second rule is effectively a
>tailgater. Sometimes it is safe to drive closer than this, and the gap

How close is safe is determined in large part by how fast you are going (2
seconds @ x mph).  At high speeds, a larger distance is required.  At 10mph,
a couple of inches may be sufficient.

>If you feel the car behind has got dangerously close behind and you are
>travelling at the speed limit in town. you should begin a tiring process
>of slowing to 2-3 MPH below the limit, waiting for the cretin to slow to

To make things safe, you can either increase the distance (installing a v8?)
or decrease the speed.  California DMV recommends the latter until such time
as the lout goes around.

>If you are on the motorway and cannot maintain the speed of the slower
>traffic, ie 50-55 MPH trucks then you should not be on the motorway.

Too true.

>A trick I use on the bike if I want a little more room is to wobble. If
>it looks like you are a liability you often get more room. Be careful

Hmmm...  Maybe simulate an oil leak?  Have a hole in the floor and pour some
(evironmentally friendly pseudo-) oil down into it, then watch as it
flutters out the back onto the guy's windshield...  Oh wait, we were being
serious weren't we?  Sorry.

>It does say in the highway code that drivers of slow moving vehicles
>should pull over to allow faster vehicles to pass. They do not define
>slow vehicles, most people think it is people much slower than them and

In California, if you've got 5 or more vehicles behind you on a one-lane
road, you *must* pull over at the first *safe* opportunity.  We have
"pull-outs" in the sierra for just this purpose -- little wide spots where
you can pull out, let everyone pass, and hopefull not lose too much momentum
(or at least have room to accellerate before getting back on the road.)

'course, much of this is moot for me, since it looks like I'm going to be
putting in a Chevy engine...

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:26:02 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

At 06:41 AM 11/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>> Also, why was the caravan park on the side of a steep hill in the first 

>WTF is a caravan?

E. none of the above.

Caravan (uk) = airstream (us) or similar.  RV trailer.  KOA, Good Sam Club,
and all that.   

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:25:46 -0800
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

I heard somewhere once that crooks are more likely to steal a car with
stuffed animal(s) in the rear window, because they figure that the owner
must be a more feminine woman, and less likely to attempt capture.

So my idea is to leave a couple of empty 9mm cartridge boxes on the dash,
and maybe an extra clip on the seat...  

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:59:12 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Getting more heater output...

Dave "woosie" Brown asks...

>Is there any way to improve the amount of heat output, and specifically,
>air volume from a Smiths heater?
........
>D D D Dave BrBrBrrown, C C C Cold in P P P Phoenix. (Yeah, I know, I'm a
>woosie, and don't know what REAL cold is! But I was born in Wisconsin!)
-

Your a woosie, Dave!! Move someplace warm! (heh,heh,heh) Or toss that Smiths
out and get a real heater! Try a junkyard. Didn't David Place say something
once about using an aux heater from a Chevy van? I don't remember.. There
has got to be something you can cobble together that will be warmer..

Cheers
Mike (basking in the warmth of my Kodiak)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:21:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Parts microfiche

 I have the following microfiche parts list for disposal :-
rtc 9947fa  Aug 89 Disco     3 fiche
RTC 9841FAM ser 3 LR June 94  3 fiche
RTC 9841FZ ser 3 July 86  3 fiche
RTC 9841 FAJ ser 3 Oct 92 3 fiche
RTC 9932 FU Def 110 1987 on  7 fiche
RTC 9863 FJ  July 85 LR 110  5 fiche
RTC 9908 FV Range Rover 1986 on  5 fiche
RTC 9846 FZ may 1985  Range Rover up to 85 4 fiche
 RTC 9842FAF optional Equipment  ser 2 , 3 and 109 V8  2 fiche
RTC 9842 FAI  Optional Equipment ser 2,3  FEb 96 2 fiche
RTC 9842 FY Optional Equipnser 2, 3 and 109 V8  March 85 2 fiche
RTC 9868 FZ Defender 90 Oct 1990 5 fiche
RRC 9868 FJ LR 90 Aug 86  4 fiche

Offers to Bill Leacock at  wleacock@pipeline.com
 
Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:33:55 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Brake Noise

Chris Dow wrote:

>when I hit the brakes on my IIA while in a parking lot...there was a 
>terrible rumble under the front of the rover.

I'll bet that a part of one of the brake pads has broken off.  Happened to 
me several years ago.  Every so often, the inch long piece would get under 
one of the shoes and make these terrible judders/noise.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:37:01 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Brake Noise

Thanks.  I guess it's time to put on all those brake parts my stepdad gave
me when I bought the Rover (full set of everything--nice present!).

Thanks again,
C

At 11:33 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>when I hit the brakes on my IIA while in a parking lot...there was a 
>>terrible rumble under the front of the rover.
>I'll bet that a part of one of the brake pads has broken off.  Happened to 
>me several years ago.  Every so often, the inch long piece would get under 
>one of the shoes and make these terrible judders/noise.  Cheers

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Use of Gasahol Fuels in Land Rover vehicles
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 16:29:00 EST

All,

I recently sent a fax to Rover Australia to ask why LR advise against the 
use of oxygenated petrol (gasohol) in their vehicles.

Today I received the following fax in reply:

Quote:

We refer to your facsimile dated 25th October, regarding the avoidance of 
oxygenated fuel usage in Range Rover Classic veciles and we list the 
following.

Above 15% methanol can lead to problems with:
1.  The fuel tank level sender tile due to electrolytic action.
2.  Excessive wear of the fuel pump brushes and electrolytic corrosion.
3.  Softening and swelling of some rubber components (on current vehicles 
Vitron is widely uesed which is quite resistant).  For older vehicles 
Nitrile may be more common, which is not so resistant.
4. These fuels give rise to a higher level of permeation, however this is 
unlikely to be in excess of the Australain emissions requirements.

In summary, oxygenated fuels are basically fuel with added methanol or 
ethanol.  Land Rover don't recommend their usage because of the above and 
they can burn more lean (produce more oxygen).   Therefore, the engine can 
run weak due to our fuel open loop specification - provides no fuelling 
feedback and the engine tune can deteriorate.

Unquote

In response to the above, I believe ethanol fuels in Australia runs about 
10% ethanol.
1. the fuel tank sender tile is the resistor element in the sender
2.  In the EFI models the fuel actually goes thru the motor portion of the 
pump and over the brushes etc.  The fuel can't explode from sparking in this 
situation.
Re the summary, Open Loop refers to the fact that there are no oxygen 
sensors etc on the earlier EFI engines (at least the Aust spec) to provide 
feedback and therefore the computer can't adjust the fuel mixture to 
compensate.  This may be different for NAS models.

Ron

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:42:28 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Eat this USA!

I will try to get more info on the BMW powered D90/110.

Agreed, field service on these jobs is a no-no, but if you can afford such a
vehicle you can afford a fleet of mobile workshop trucks to accompany you. ;-)

Cheers all...

Brian Cotton
South Africa

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:46:13 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Wanted: 101

If there is anyone in South Africa who has a 101 that they want to part with
please mail me directly ASAP.

?? I wonder how many 101's there are in SA af at all ?

Cheers
Brian Cotton

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:16:47 -0300
From: rover1@sky.net (Steve Paustian)
Subject: Land-Rover Newport Beach

Hello the list,
        Has anybody heard of or done business with Land Rover Newport
Beach?  I got a flyer from them yesterday.  They sound like a genuine parts
dealer, but upon closer inspection of their bizness card, I can tell that
their logo itself is not "genuine"(wrong font, no cute little serif
thingies, oval wrong ratio of height to width).  Anybody got a clue?  Maybe
they are so new that they haven't recieved their corp. logo sheet yet, or
blatantly ripping off mother Rover???

Steven Paustian
AKA Generalissimo Chaos  (Al U. Minium)
President, Flatland Rover Society
04/500 D90SW

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:22:19 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@www.adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

T.F. Mills wrote:
> < Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass
> < your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> T. F. Mills
> tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
> http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

I respectfully submit that the reason that only Brits qualify for the
prize, is that first prize is probably a weekend in Bornor Regis (second
prize is a whole week).

Paul Oxley
http://www.adventures.co.za

PS Temperature today is approx. 30 degrees celcius (X2 + 32 for
fahrenheit I think)

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From: bb@olivetti.dk (Bent Bohlers)
Subject: RE: Mile Marker Winch
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:24:16 +-100
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As promised in the evening:

MileMarker Inc. 
1450 SW 13th Ct.
Pompano Beach
FL 33069

Phone:1-800-886-8647

URL=http://www.milemarker.com/~winches/other.htm

If you contact them, they have a most impressive video
showing electrical winches getting HOT.

________________________________
Greg Spitz[SMTP:Gspitz@concentric.net] wrote:
Does anybody have a Mile Marker Winch...One came on the 110 I just bought 
and no manual came with it.  I would like to get a manual if someone 
knows how to get one.

Mile Marker make nice hydraulic winches, that uses the power steering
pump.
I do not have the address here, I am home and it is late in Europe.
I will mail it in the morning from my office.
They also have an web page.
Happy Rovering

Bent Boehlers
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3542/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:38:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: RHD ???

At 04:26 PM 11/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass 
>your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.

I proposed this to my sister, but she said that for hundreds (if not
thousands) of years, the standard has been to pass left shoulder to left
shoulder when on horseback, even in the UK.  I suggested that maybe that was
the combatative mode only, but she quite rightly added that you have to have
a standard, or else you end up with a lot of "mid-air passenger exchanges"
like the one in India last night.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 9:05:45 GMT

> I heard somewhere once that crooks are more likely to steal a car with
> stuffed animal(s) in the rear window, because they figure that the owner
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> So my idea is to leave a couple of empty 9mm cartridge boxes on the dash,
> and maybe an extra clip on the seat...  

In England, you'll then get kids knicking them as souvenirs. I know someone
who had a SII grill nicked - for no apparant reason. If it was for a bbq
grill, then the zinc will get them!  :-)

As far as I know, we're the only Landies on the estate.

Richard

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:28:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: RHD ???

>< Since you hold your lance in your right gauntlet, you'll want to pass
>< your foe on your right so as to get a bigger piece of him.
..But if you've ever seen a jousting contest,the lance is laid *across*
the horses neck,and the opponents meet "port side to".On the other hand,
try and get on a horse wearing a sword on your *right* hip.You'll do
yourself a nasty with the scabbard,I guarantee.
Just to throw coals on the fire,a colleague here has a 1912 American
car,an Abbott-Detroit.Its totally original,except for a shortened
chassis,which he did himself.It was imported from the U.S in a
somewhat decrepit condition.It,and many cars like it,were,and are
RHD.Further,why do the Americans mount their horses on the same,or
nearside,as we do?If you rode on the right you are mounting in the
middle of the road,not off the pavement(sidewalk).And which side
does John Wayne drive the stagecoach?On the right,doesnt he?
In actual fact,it was Napoleon who dictated the "LHD" thing.
Probably a good military reason at the time.Otherwise its totally
artificial.Most people rode down the middle,either to keep well
clear of footpads each side,or simply because the road wasnt wide
enough to do anything else!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 15:16:51 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Subject: LRFC (figure it out)

>~and~
>contrary to popular belief, Range Rover brush guards DO braise grilled
>vegetables more evenly than Disco brush guards, which are best left for
>searing Camel steaks.

I noticed that no one mentioned the secret Real Purpose for those trendy (I got 
em too so dont get ecited now) Series rear lamp guards... they're just PERFECT 
for deep friyng a single serving of delicious off-road fries...also good for 
those Guinees and 90 weight battered small critters... Mmmmmm....hey Spen, pass 
the Texas Pete!

Later

Dave B. 
 

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:14:43 +1000
From: Ross <fax.rescue@hunterlink.net.au>
Subject: Re: Bulkheads

I think you would be brave to tackle a Series 3 bulkhead removal because 
of all those fiddly dash bits, remote wipers, loom, etc. We did pull 
ours out (s11A)to gal it and when it was all put back together again it 
was a job I'd never take on again. Results of the mandatory "was it 
worth it all" are a long time coming in. I should be able to post the 
answer in about 2014. Unless some the Fabians slowly outlaw vehicles 
that reflecting engineering values that are inconsistant with their 
economic values...
Ross.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:42:06 +0000
Subject: Any solutions to a cold engine?

My engine seems to run very cool.
A hot engine, I can fix - but cool?

Now that winter is almost upon us, I struggle to get the temperature gauge 
to read above the white.

If I travel along a fast road (ie over 40mph) the temperature drops back 
down to the bottom of the white.

I have covered the lower 3/4 of the radiator with some hardboard, but the 
engine doesn't heat up any quicker, nor does it appear to get apprecably 
warmer.

I have also noticed that the heater system has a marked effect on the 
engine temperature, with full speed only being available for half-an-hour 
or so before cooling the engine down and blowing out cold air.

Any suggestions or tips? Areas to investigate?

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:55:24 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: SII Shimmy

>Mike,
>Tell me more about the "Jesus nut".  Curious.  Mark

Its what they call the  nut that attaches the main rotor on a helicopter,
or so I'm told.I thought it was an appropriate name for the output
flange nut on the Land Rover.Mind you,hopefully it wouldnt have the
same effect if it came off!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:58:05 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Any solutions to a cold engine?

If I travel along a fast road (ie over 40mph) the temperature drops back
>down to the bottom of the white.
Winter thermostat?Remove fan? What happened last winter?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Negative/Positive Ground
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 22:38:00 EST

Ian,
almost certainly positve ground.  British vehicles didn't change until 
mid-late 60's
It's not that critical for a DC generator car (not alternator).  It's 
probably better to change it over to negative ground for ease of interfacing 
modern electronic equipment.  For best spark, it is better if the coil 
polarity is checked.  Early Lucas coils are marked + and - not SW (Ignition 
Switch) and CB (Contact Breaker).

If you have a fax no. I can fax an article from Practical Classics magazine 
on how to do the change over.

Ron

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:14:43 +0000
From: Ian Harper <iharper@afm.org>
Subject: Negative/Positive Ground

How do I figure out if my Series 1 is negative or positive ground.   The
PO didn't know (?) and the battery was gone when I got it.  There is
obviously no -ve ground label.

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Rover Anti-theft Methods
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 22:38:00 EST

From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:55:36 -0500

>day-to-day thing like The Club (which is oh-so-highly recommended by
retired policemen all over Pennsylvania).

I also use a CLUB (made here in Australia) but not in the normal manner.  A 
TV show over hear showed how a car thief can get one off in a few seconds if 
you put it on as recommended.

Install it from behind the steering wheel so that the lock point away from 
you.  I know it's a bit hard to describe in an email.  This way they can't 
just pull it off.

Regards,

Ron

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