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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:01:27 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Glowing 2,25l Diesels ?

 So I went to a shop (Feb

Still not big enough,really.Try 95Ah minimum.
>How many amps need the starter motor ? I=A5ve fitted now a 100 Ah batterie
>with 500 amps ! I upgraded the alternator to 65 amps to charge the big
>block batterie. I=A5ve check an replaced the ground connetion of the
>starter motor. (Now 70mm2)
Oh,right,OK,you've done it:-)
Make sure the electrical connections on the solenoid are squeaky clean.
Makes a lot of difference.

>My next step is to replace the starter (I think the solenoid is not OK)
>and of course the switch..  I will order a new switch tomorow.
It should be possible(and much cheaper) to replace the solenoid.
=46WIW,I've fitted dieselglow heater plugs to my 11A(Basically the same
engine) with no ill effects.The fitting instructions definitely say
to leave the resistor in the circuit.By bypassing it you've probably
blown them.Difficult to say for certain,but probable.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Fuel Gauges
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 12:12:15 GMT

Has anyone tried connecting a large capacitor across the fuel tank sender unit?
Does it work, or is this another not-so bright idea by me?

(so that sloshing in the tank does not show up as readily on the gauge needle)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:16:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Norway

To add yet another 0.02...

> If I may add my 0.02 to Adrian's excellent proposal:
> Try and include Svartisen (north of Mo i Rana - largest glacier on the
> continent, and very accessible), and maybe a side trip to the Lofoten
> islands (west of Narvik, you can drive all the way, no ferry involved).=

> These were my favourites in Norway. I am sure many people will come up =
with
> many better suggestions, and you will need to take three months off.

Including the Lofoten islands is a good idea, but unless you want to
drive all the way out and back again, I'd recommend taking the ferry
from Bod=F8 to =C5 in Lofoten. =C5 is a tiny fishing village at the very =
tip of
Lofoten, with good bed and breakfast facilities.

Also, Lofoten is to the southwest of Narvik, the islands west of Narvik
is Vester=E5len.

TK
1972 SIII 88" petrol
Member of Norwegian Land Rover Club (NLRK)
http://regina.uio.no/nlrk

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:18:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Norway

> While the Autobahn in Germany is designated a European highway and is up to
> eight lanes in some places with unlimited speedlimits, some parts of the "E"
> system in Norway are two lane gravel roads with roadtrain trucks kicking up
> lots of windscreen breaking rocks.

:-) Sorry to disappoint you... but in the 15 years that have passed since '81
the roads have been surfaced. There are still many gravel sideroads, but the
"E" system roads are all surfaced now.

However, they're just as narrow once you get to the northern parts of Norway.

TK
1972 SIII 88" petrol
Member of Norwegian Land Rover Club (NLRK)
http://regina.uio.no/nlrk

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E-Mail: terje@multix.no     Lilleakerveien 31     Fax     +47 2206 2626
        support@multix.no   N-0283 OSLO, Norway   Support +47 2206 2628

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Date: 11 Nov 1996 12:19:41 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: NEW classic car laws

<h2>This can't happen.</h2>
If this happens, I will not be able to afford to keep my beloved Bertha,
(1968 SIIA 88"). If the government decide to do this, we must shoot them all!!

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Date: 11 Nov 1996 12:24:09 -0000
From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Waxoyl...etc...

In the U.K., waxoyl is available from local motor shops, but is also available
from
Halfords, a large chain store in the U.K. They may do mail order, I don't know.
 They 
also sell the spray guns with the probe attachment to do the inside of 
box-sections (i.e. chassis)

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Chassis No's for 107
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 08:12:00 EST

The PO of the Series 1 107" can't find the ownership and there is no 
identifying marks or plates on the vehicle. In order to register I need a 
chassis number. I was considering 57230094 as a good guess (?). Any other 
1955 107 pickups out there that could give me a hint?

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:51:19 +0000
From: Ian Harper <iharper@afm.org>
Subject: Eric Van Dyck

Could Eric Van Dyck  please email me his email address, as I have lost
it.

Thanks, Ian

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:14:43 +0000
From: Ian Harper <iharper@afm.org>
Subject: Negative/Positive Ground

How do I figure out if my Series 1 is negative or positive ground.   The
PO didn't know (?) and the battery was gone when I got it.  There is
obviously no -ve ground label.

Thanks, Ian

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:41:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Chassis No's for 107

That number sounds about right for a 55 107. The SI club register lists
several "5723............" as registered around the second half of 1955. Is
the engine original? Do you want to find the original number or is a near
approximation sufficent?
The registery shows 57201190 with eng # 57120313 reg 01/09/55 and 57231515
with eng # 57134659.
I hope this is helpfull 
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:55:34 +0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Bulkhead Galvanising

Hi all

I had a bulkhead hot-dipped (SII) and it came out very nicely. Only problem
is, the idjit who was supposed to check that the hinge bolts were only
slightly in didn't, so now I still have to get them out (You thread bolts
into the captive nuts where the hinges would normally go, but only about one
turn in. You can then get them out easily and start a tap in the threads)

W
--
Wouter de Waal        Phone : +27 21 683 5490
Development Engineer  Fax   : +27 21 683 5435
CCII Systems
Kenilworth, South Africa

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:53:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Valve seats...

I inquired about valve seats and have gotten what seems to be a concensus of
advice to install the hardened seats, which I'll do.
Jim Allen replied with some good and specific points, which I was going to
try and adress with some of those ">>" things, but I'll just jumble it
together.
When I used a drill to "run in the valves" I wasn't attempting to 'lap' them,
though I do believe that by the time I was done, they were, albeit not to
proper specs.. It was Jan., about many degrees below zero, and I could barely
afford a new head gasket. It was our only running vehicle that could go on
the road, and my options were not too numerous. So, after consulting a few
mechanics whose advice I respect, I did the drill trick, and with a couple of
used valves at that. Back in the late '60s we used to do the same thing, when
necessity mandated, between runs at NHRA events and spare heads were not
available ($$). It was either that or 'go home'. I wouldn't tell anyone else
to do it if they could afford otherwise. Surprisingly, it has held up rather
well, and I'm curious about how it will look on inspection at removal. I
guess it was a kind of 'genetic hybrid/throwback' of junkyard/pit/poverty
mechanics. Anyway, that head isn't going back on, and will be shelved for the
time being. I squirreled away the funds to do it as suggested, correctly. The
'new' 8:1 head is to be done properly by a machine shop, and I'll make sure
the seat angles in the hardened seats are cut as Jim suggested. Exhausts will
be replaced with hardened valves, intakes as needed. Springs and guides as
needed as well. Those valves will be lovingly lapped into place (no
drills)...
As far as the weber and my question of it maybe running lean- This is
something that I wonder about, as I've had my share of valve events since
fitting it. It could be specific to the individual carb that I've fitted
(previous history unknown, obtained used), and someday I'd like to fit new
jets, etc. I'll be most interested to see Jim's article about the carbs. If
as said, the weber can pass more air, and my jets are not 'up to par', that
could be the problem in a nutshell.
I probably do a bunch of stuff that's not 'textbook', but I do get about 27K
miles a year out of it. Sometimes you gotta do what your pocket will allow.
After all, "Nicky" wasn't just given it's name, it earned it! I am properly
building a block up this winter though, so maybe I'll finally get back to the
original specs stage. I'll have to pull the head from the present, in
service, block and fit it to the new one. A pain in the ass, but the best
current finances will allow...
see 'ya on the old road...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW  w/16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:55:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Negative/Positive Ground

 How brave are you? The easiest way to find out is to try a battery, as the
terminals on the battery are different sizes. They SHOULD only fit one way
around.  If the first terminal is very loose try it in the other end of the
battery BEFORE trying the alternate cable. Good luck. 

BTW when I got my 80" from the port the battery was flat and at that time the
officials would bring you the truck from the storage area, and the bright
sparks that they are upon finding the battery flat proceeded to jump start
the rover with a tractor. They applied the cables in the usual manner i.e.
NEGATIVE ground. It is a POSITIVE ground truck. The truly amazing thing is
not only did the poor beastie start it seems to have suffered no ill effects
from the experience. 
Rgds Quintin Aspin

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:08:33 +0800
From: Manny Garcia <mann@epic.net>
Subject: Re: RR Analyzer

Hmmmmmm...seems to be a great tool to have in a shop.  However, it costs
tooooooo much.  

Thanks Jim and Jon...

Mann

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:14:32 +0800
From: Manny Garcia <mann@epic.net>
Subject: Anyone from NPS?

Is anybody on the list from (NPS) National Power Steering - UK?
Please-please-please e-mail me direct.

Mann
mann@epic.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:10:02 -0500
From: "David M. Schwarz" <dschwarz@pipeline.com>
Subject: air compressors to refill tires

My wife and I are new to driving on the beach.  We know how to get the air
out.  Who, please, has an opinion on the best way to get it back in? 
Seriously, would we be happy with the cheapest available, plug it into the
cigarette lighter portable compressor, available at our local auto parts
store?  We know the diesel powered compressor on the trailer behind is
overkill.  What are you experienced people using?  Thanks, David. 

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:31:28 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: NEW classic car laws

<h2>This can't happen.</h2>
>If this happens, I will not be able to afford to keep my beloved Bertha,
>(1968 SIIA 88"). If the government decide to do this, we must shoot them all!!
This may be tempting providence,but....
I cant really see them doing this before an election.And what's more,they
must have *known* how many vehicles were involved.Unless Swansea is even
*more* incompetent than we suspect.Furthermore,how many people are going
to run their old Jags,Bentleys etc through the winter.Its only us that does
that.Wait and see if either of the magazines have picked this up....
Unless,of course,the Tax Exemption was just the first towards total
disenfranchisement.Which wouldnt surprise me one bit.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:34:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Series III CAV Diesel distributer pump

>Before I dismantle the CAV to see what the problem is, i would be
>grateful for any words of wisdom from you guys - CAN ANYONE ADVISE?
Dont touch it! Take it to a Diesel Injection specialist.He should
be able to fix the gasket without taking the pump off,with luck.
Mike Rooth

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From: "Randall Thomas" <rthomas@ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Valve seats...
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:33:04 -0500

I have a very persnickety machine shop that does my work for me and they
insisted that they could machine the valves and seats so accurately now,
that lapping wasn't necessary.  In fact, they recommended not lapping as
this adds a ledge (small as it may be) to the valve seating area that will
eventually catch and build up deposits.  Well, sure enough, when I got the
head back and installed the new springs even penetrating oil had a hard
time getting past the joint.

So much for tradition, huh?

Randall
67 SIIA 88" (still for sale)
88 RR
68 P6
70 P6B

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:43:57 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: air compressors to refill tires

David M. Schwarz wrote:
> My wife and I are new to driving on the beach.  We know how to get the air
> out.  Who, please, has an opinion on the best way to get it back in?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> store?  We know the diesel powered compressor on the trailer behind is
> overkill.  What are you experienced people using?  Thanks, David.

Air compressor to fill tyres - you have on already on your bonnet (or
back door)!

make yourself a rubber tube with tyre-valve connectors on both ends,
maybe with a manomter handset from a compressor kit on the one end.

Overfill yopur spare tyre - pump it up to around 60 psi. (!)

When one of the other tyres is flat, just use the tube to tiop it up
from the spare, which you can pump up again when you get to a
tank-station.

Dont forget to adjust the pressure in the spare if you have to use it
one day! :-)
-- 
adrian redmond

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CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
tel: +45 86 57 22 66  e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk

1:	Series III 1976 109" D Pick-up
2:	Series III 1979  88" D Hard top (Icelander)
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"Two SIII Land Rovers are more reliable than one!"
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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@bestinforsg.com>
Subject: RE: RR/LR Sightings
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:18:00 PST

I went to the trip last year on a Saturday (I drove in the morning and my   
wife drove in the afternoon run.) and it was great fun.  There was a rock   
climb that ended up being groomed for the Sunday runs that most of the   
Range Rovers and Discoverys got stuck on.  That's not to say they   
couldn't have gone through, just that the drivers were in-experienced,   
but even the in-experienced D90 drivers had no problem. (my wife actually   
did better than I did - I chose 2nd low to go up and she used 3rd low)   
 It was very steep and very cool.

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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A Land Rover dealer in the Baltimore area sponsored a trail ride at
Whitetail ski area in Mercersburg, PA.  The red D90 should have been
Antonios Hadjigeorgalis (on the list).  How was it Antonios?

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@world2u.com
'94 D90
http://www.world2u.com/~rruffer
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From: David Crow
Subject: RR/LR Sightings
Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 8:46AM

Hello All!

I had to drive from Roanoke, VA to Baltimore and back yesterday (11/10)   
and
saw quite about 6 RRs, 7 Discoveries, and one red D90 heading west on   
I-70
near Frederick, MD about 11AM.  While I was heading home about 5PM, a
virtual convoy of RRs and Discos, as well as the one red D90 was again
spotted, this time all were heading east on I-70 toward Baltimore.   
 Anyone
out there involved in this, and can you tell me if you had fun?

Dave Ritchie, if you see this, Mom has lymphoma, so I travel up   
occasionally
to see how the chemo is going.

David Crow

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:11:54 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Land Rover service

The other day I dropped into Birchwood Motors in Winnipeg Canada.  They 
were very willing to spend some time with me and talk Land Rovers.  The 
fellow told me that Land Rover had a program on called something like 
operation pride.  It was set up so that anyone with a 1995 Land Rover 
product that was giving problems was given total repair service at no 
cost.  Seems the vehicles had some problems due to quality control and 
the had decided that their reputation was on the line.  He said whatever 
came in it was to be fixed without question.  He also said that Land 
Rover had fired a number of suppliers becaus of poor quality control and 
that they were taking over gaskets in particular due to poor quality.  
Might be worth checking into in the U.S. for the fellows who have 
reported problems.  By the way if anyone needs a diesel pump, I have one 
from a running II or IIA that I will let go cheap.  E-Mail me direct.  
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:02:36 -0800
From: David Place <dplace@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: One-Tonne shackles on an 88"

Alan Jardine wrote:
> > Date sent:      Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:48:14 -0800
> > Send reply to:  Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
> > '65 IIA 88" SW
> > '96 Disco SDFor what it is worth, I just discarded a set of diesel springs that had a 
lift done on them.  They had had a block of solid steel about two inches 
high machined for them with a pin in it put between the spring and the 
axle.  The longer shackle "U" bolts held it on.  I didn't notice any 
thing had been done to the drive shafts or anything on that vehicle.  I 
took the whole thing apart and have been selling the parts.  A picture of 
the vehicle was on Jimmy"s WWW page and I think everyone will think it 
looks stock.  I used one of the blocks to make a spacer for an bearing 
support for my winch, but I have the other and if anyone wants the 
dementions I can measure it up.  You could even have the other block but 
it is quite heavy and the mailing would be quite high.  Anyway let me 
know and I can post the size.  Dave VE4PN

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:55:36 -0500
Subject: Rover Anti-theft Methods

Are there any tried and proven methods for keeping decent (yeah, I know, who
would steal a decrepid looking one) Series and Defender type LRs out of the
wrong hands?

I know that I can permanently glue all four tires to the pavement, weld the
rear crossmember to a light pole, etc. but I 'm looking for a more practical
day-to-day thing like The Club (which is oh-so-highly recommended by retired
policemen all over Pennsylvania).

I was wondering if any British list members had experience with the things
advertised in UK car mags like pedal lockers, gear shift lockers, etc. 

Any comments on hidden switches, fuel cut-off (petcock type), boa
constrictors or nerve-gas in the a/c vents? Basically what anti-drive-away
types of deterrents are popular/working.

I'm currently using that well-recommended Club as well as a fuel-pump cut-out
(the built-in one on 3.9 V8s). Sofa-so-good; but I'd like to add a second
line of defense without shelling out tons for an alarm.

pat "hey you, get away from that rover" parsons

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:11:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Negative/Positive Ground

On generator equipped vehicles, accidentally swapping neg to pos ground really 
doesn't have much permanent effect.  We bought an old Ford tractor years ago and 
ran it for about ten years with negative ground.  Couldn't understand why the 
battery always went flat but since we used it so seldom, we were content to jump 
start it when needed.

Alas, the clutch finally went and instead of spewing parts around the shop, we 
sent it to the local Ford tractor dealer to have it done (yeah, I know, wimps.) 
The tech was quite amazed that we were able to use the tractor without it set up 
for POSITIVE GROUND!  He asked how long it was like this....I anwered "we got it 
that way"  I neglected to mention it was at least ten years earlier.

Now the thing runs like a champ and actually starts more than once or twice on a 
battery.  Actually has a spark too!  Seems coils only put out half power when 
the polarity is reversed.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:11:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: TV Advert...

Saw this on the tube the other night, regular TV, not cable.

Scene:  Third world bar, fan turning lazily, several overweight men in fez's 
smoking a hookah, two western men sitting at a table.  Both are dressed in 
obligatory khaki safari wear that actually looks used.  One is slowly sipping at 
a cup of tea, oblivious to the heat.  The other, sweating perfusely, rants and 
raves....

Man 1:  But that is impossible, there is desert, swamps, crocodiles, rocks, 
mountains, rivers..(etc. etc.)...I will not go!

Man 2:  But I have a Land Rover....

Man 1: I'll bring the kids.

Even though an advert for a 4.0 Rangie, still made me stand up and cheer.

Eric

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:30:05 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

I've got an old alarm I'm going to install in mine.  The much-maligned
British Northworst Land Rover Company (does LR object to them using that
name?) has a $400US computer-controled ignition system that has a cut-off
so you can flip a switch and get no spark.  Another idea is to get a bonnet
lock and disconnect the battery.  You could also just get one of those
blinking red lights, which makes some would-be stereo thieves pass you by.
That doesn't help if they want the car, thoug--just disuades junkies from
funding their habit by selling your stereo to a fence.

BTW the Club is a crock.  It takes very small bolt cutters to cut through a
steering wheel and remove it.  The car is still drivable even with a cut in
the wheel.  Consumer Reports considers the Club to be one of the biggest
scams of the century.  One time they had a picture of the club still
attached to the steering wheel, which was sitting on a sidewalk in NYC.

C
Who's Rover doesn't look like it's worth steeling.

At 12:55 PM 11/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Are there any tried and proven methods for keeping decent (yeah, I know, who
>would steal a decrepid looking one) Series and Defender type LRs out of the
>wrong hands?

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:34:45 -0500
Subject: Brakes, 88" SIIA

Finally.. making progress on my two-pump brakes.

I started comparing drawings in my manuals to the brake master cylinder this
morning while on a short break (one of the advantages of working at home!)
  I couldn't match what I have in any of the LR material that I have.  This
master has a reserve as part it.. not connect to the external reserve as in
the drawings.    I decided it was time to call the PO.

He said that the brake master cylinder isn't a LR item.  When I mentioned
that fluid  was streaming out of the reserve on the first downstroke, he said
the check valve was probably gone.  He also said that he though it was a GM
part.

I had also noticed that the vehicle has two reserves:  one connected to the
clutch and one on the brake master cylinder itself.  The reserve connected to
the clutch has two connections:  one going to the clutch and the other has a
tube that is closed off.  The illustrations tell me this is part of the
original equipment since the one closed off would normally be connected to
the original brake master.  

So... all I have to do is figure out which master cylinder was used.  Either
that or replace it with original LR part$.   If anyone has an ideas on a GM
part that may have been used as a replacement, I would appreciate any and all
leads.  Since I'm in digest mode, the favor of a direct reply will help me
expedite the replacement.  Otherwise, I'll pull it off, go to
Checker/NAPA/etc. and say, "Any idea what this came off of originally?" 

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"
'95 Disco "Great White"

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: Over the Hill Camel Trophy
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:05:20 -0800

While they aren't all-expense paid trips to the nearest (furthest?)
malaria infested jungle, there are several "challenges" in the U.s. with
themes similar to the C.T.

For those seeking adventure, and an excuse to demonstrate the
capabilities of their rovers there's the:

 -- Florida Safari Triathalon in Florida (where a Disco team took top
honors this year)

 -- The Bike-Boat-Bog (I think that's the name) that Bill Burke put's on
in Colorado

 -- There's a couple here in the Pacific NorthWest (where D-90 teams did
very well in this year)

The big difference between these events and the C.T. is that they are
"self-sponsored" as opposed to sponsored by a large marketing firm.
However, for that reason, there's a much greater sense of
accomplishement since you have to do all the 
logisitical support as well as have the necessary driving, mechanical,
technical and physical skills and abilities.

Check some of the back issues of Four Wheeler, Petersens Four Wheel
Drive, and the like (they also have web-sites) for info on the past
events. These events really need to see more Rovers!

Some related websites:

http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/am4x44u/events/adventure/advntr.htm
http://www.fourwheeler.com
http://www.wizard.com/4wa

-- Bob Watson
'95 Disco

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:30:55 -0500
Subject: Master cylinder

Forgot to ask...if anyone has a CV master cylinder that they would like to
sell, I'll be happy to purchase it.  Any assistance appreciated!  

Gerry Elam
PHX  AZ
'95 Disco "Great White"
'63 Series IIA " Soldado Sangrando"

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:57:31 -0500
Subject: Fwd: UK Registration Letters

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Subj:    Re: UK Registration Letters
Date:    96-11-06 09:56:47 EST
From:    MRogers315

In a message dated 05/11/96  12:15:17, you write:

>Letters that are not used are I,O,Q,U & Z giving a total number of 20.

Dont forget that "Q" is used for vehicles registered after year of
manufacture, when the year of manufacture cannot be proven. This applies to
many re-built and ex military  Land Rovers. If an ex millitary owner can
prove the year of manufacture the car will be given an "age related" plate.

The all important Tax Disc currently costs 145 Pounds sterling per year,
unless the vehicle is over 25 years old when it is free!. Current insurance
and MOT test certificate have to be produced prior to issue each year.

BTW I have been reading the list for some weeks now and am enjoying it. This
is my second attempt to contribute, the first never appeared on my screen. I
think it was lost in a load of "returned mail" unless you know different!.

Mike Rogers.
( Home built Lightweight/Range Rover Hybrid )

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:02:17 -0500
Subject: LR Speed & Tailgating

The tailgater thread is closely interwoven with the LR speed thread for many
Series Land Rover owners.  Especially in North America, the 2.25l Land
Rovers are not particularly fast on the highways (note the interest on this
list in engine swaps, overdrives, Jato units, etc.).

Driving an underpowered machine is even more of a challenge here in Colorado
where high altitude further reduces power.  On the long uphill stretches of
our mountain highways, the Land Rover simply does not have enough power to
keep up with traffic.  This suggests adopting a different driving style more
suited to the Land Rover and not unlike that of professional over-the-road
truck drivers.  In the Land Rover Time Warp things just take longer.

Laboring up a long incline (like I-70 west of Denver to the tunnel under the
continental divide) can provide an opportunity to practice your patience.
With a moderately loaded 109, the summit at 11,000 feet (3355m) is often
reached in second gear.  Invariably on such a climb a string of cars and
trucks can build up behind you.  On multi-lane highways, they can get around
you, but on two lane roads, often the best bet is to pull off the road, take
a break, admire the scenery and let the traffic pass.

Tailgating happens because humans are a flawed species.  To avoid trouble,
traffic safety experts agree on this rule above all others: "Do not respond
to provocation."  If you are being followed too closely, signal and move to
another lane.  Do not even look at the offending driver.  Once you make eye
contact with these idiots, you are involved in their game.

The remedies recently posted on this list for tailgaters make entertaining
reading.  It can certainly be therapeutic to write about what we would like
to do to these boors.  But on the road, let us ignore them and Rover on.

Paul Donohue
1965 109 LR Dormobile

"Man is the only animal that blushes, or needs to"  Mark Twain

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:10:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> Are there any tried and proven methods for keeping decent (yeah, I know, who
> would steal a decrepid looking one) Series and Defender type LRs out of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> (the built-in one on 3.9 V8s). Sofa-so-good; but I'd like to add a second
> line of defense without shelling out tons for an alarm.
> pat "hey you, get away from that rover" parsons
The Club is usually enough for the kids who just wan to go for a
joyride...but I also always leave the pig parked with the starter button
unscrewed and the transfer case in Neutral....little things but crooks are
not too bright anyway...

Russ W.
67 RHD 88
"The Pig"   2yrs in Pittsburgh

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:24:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Subject: Long spring shackles

The heavy duty 109 chassis utilises modified front spring hangers in
addition to the longer rear shackles. This has the effect of lifting the
frame eveny and sharing the loads appropriatley in addition to maintaining
steering geometry.
 fitting the longer shackles only tends to increase the load on the rear
half of the spring, generally does not do much in itself fro raising ride
hieght unless the springs are Knackered.

 Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 23:57:00 UT
From: "Daniel Palmer" <2Palmers@msn.com>
Subject: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake

I have a 1994 D90.  I have two problems.

1st - today my "service engine" light came on.  It came on while I was sitting 
at a stop light and my engine decreased in RPMs (like the idle was set too 
low).  A few stops later the engine died.  I restarted it and have had no 
problems since.  However, the service engine light is still on.  Any 
suggestions.

2nd - my right front brake spueals.  The Land Rover dealer says it is because 
they are "truck brakes".  I question this because only one brake squeaks.  
Additionally, the brake has started to squeal when I am driving at slow speeds 
and when I am turning.  Any suggestions?

DJP
2palmers@msn.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:06:45 -0700 (MST)
From: Dirk Tischer <dtischer@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Jack Mac Manually locking Diff

Does anybody know anything about the Jack Mac manually locking Diff?

The new Four Wheeler has a short article on building Defenders and
mentions them. 

Thanks in advance,

Dirk Tischer
94 D90
Tucson AZ

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From: Montgo169@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:25:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Jack Mac Manually locking Diff

I like my Land Rover Discovery better than any other SUV I have owned. This
includes 1975 Toyota Landcruiser (2nd Favorite),1970 Ford Bronco, 1996 Ford
Bronco II, 1987 Isuzu Trooer II, 1988 Isuzu Trooper, 1993 Isuzu Trooper LS.
My
next SUV will be a Defender 90. I am a believer that Land Rover's are built
to last.
  
But I need to get off this list so I can sort through my mail easier. If
anyone can help
me with this request I would greatly appreciate it.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:31:50 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Valve seats...

>I have a very persnickety machine shop that does my work for me and they
>insisted that they could machine the valves and seats so accurately now,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>68 P6
>70 P6B

        Good point! Have seen the same thing but sometimes I get all caught
up in the old-time ways. Gettin' old.

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:53:07 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Jack Mac Manually locking Diff

>Does anybody know anything about the Jack Mac manually locking Diff?
>The new Four Wheeler has a short article on building Defenders and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>94 D90
>Tucson AZ

        This is a nearly bulletproof and brick-simple locker for the Rover
diff. I don't think the unit will work on the D90, however, as it was
designed for the early Rover. The carrier (a four-pinion type, by the way)
could interchange but the axle lengths are different.
        You replace both axles (and drive flanges) with 24 spline units.
One side looks much like the standard one but with the stronger fine
splines. On the other side, a larger hub is installed that has an actuating
bolt. Turn it in and your diff is locked - turn it out and a spring unlocks
the diff. The axle shaft on that side is spring loaded has an extra long
set of splines on the inside that slides in and locks the side gears
together with the carrier. Simplicity!
        Jack Mac has a goodly number of other products. Their hypoid diff
(just got some pics) is the most bulletproof thing I've ever seen! Call
Bill Davis at Great Basin Rovers (801) 486-5049 for details. Great Basin is
the new US dist. for Jack Mac, as well as the KAM differential line. KAM
also makes a great locker. Bill just recently negociated both USA
distributorships.

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:55:00 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light & squeaky brake

Daniel Palmer wrote:

> 2nd - my right front brake spueals.  The Land Rover dealer says it is because
> they are "truck brakes".  I question this because only one brake squeaks.
> Additionally, the brake has started to squeal when I am driving at slow speeds
> and when I am turning.  Any suggestions?
> Go to someone who knows what they're talking about or can explain it better than
your dealer currently is.  

Truck brakes my ass.  Last time I checked there weren't any air lines on my 90; 
next they'll be telling you the muffled rattle from your engine is the compression braking. :)

In my experience the brake could be squealing for a number of reasons the most likely are:

1. The brakes on coil sprung LRs tend to squeal under light application.  This is usually
not anything to worry about.  They are powerful brakes and often as not only a light
load is applied in braking. If yours are squealing without application this is not the
problem and it's more serious.

2. The caliper has seized or is jamming so the rotor is brushing the pad.  Due to
noise levels this might be more noticeable at lower speed.  However this is usually more
of a scraping sound than a squeal.  Have you been in mud lately or do
you live in an area where grit is applied to snowy/icy roads?  This is something
you can correct yourself if you catch it and the problem is minor.  You'll need to 
remove the wheel and have an assistant work the brake pedal while you work the caliper.
I'm assuming when you say the squeal occurs on corners that this is without the
application of the brake pedal.  Does the vehicle pull right with no brakes applied?

3. You've got a leaking axle seal and oil is getting on the pad/rotor assembly.  Disassemble
clean and replace.  This will produce more of a squeal than a scrape.  Most likely?

4. ???  Something else got onto the rotor/pads?

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:03:24 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Two questions: D90 - "service engine" light &

>Daniel Palmer wrote:
>> 2nd - my right front brake spueals.  The Land Rover dealer says it is because
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 51 lines)]
>clean and replace.  This will produce more of a squeal than a scrape.
>Most likely?
>4. ???  Something else got onto the rotor/pads?

        Right! As Jeremy said, odds are good that it's a benign noise from
repeated light applications of the brakes. A couple of good hard stops
(dynamic brake deglazing!) from a relatively high speed will usually stop
the noise temporarily. Pulling the pads and deglazing them with sandpaper
(wear a dust mask) and bevelling the leading and trailing edges will help.
When I was still working the Land Rover line, we used to have a noise
campaign that worked - but only for a while. The noise always comes back,
sooner or later.
         Back to step one. Fact: all disc brakes make noise (whether you
hear them or not) if it's not like fingernails of a chalkboard, perhaps the
best idea is to adapt.

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 18:17:58 -0800
From: Christopher Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Brake Noise

Hmm...Is brake noise contageous?  At lunch today, when I hit the brakes on
my IIA while in a parking lot (hence, going slow) there was a terrible
rumble under the front of the rover.  A second application resulted in no
noise, and stopping ability (I had to go about ten more [careful, tense]
miles after that, some on a freeway) has not changed notably.  Does this
ring any bells?

C
'65 IIA 88" SW
'96 Disco SD

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:56:23 -0500
Subject: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

A SI LR was called "a Jeepy thing" on Wycliffe, a British import police
mystery set in Cornwall. It was on TV Ontario tonight. Trevor and Dixon can
watch the rerun Friday at 11pm.

Any responses from Cornwall?

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:12:26 -0500
Subject: Re: gray sealant

Matt Abercrombie asks:
>Does anyone know what the gray gunk that Land Rover used to seal between 
>the rear tub and the seat base on series rovers is.  Is there a modern
>equivalent that is easily found, and relatively inexpensive?  Thanks for any
>information.

I have used strip caulk, usually made by three-M, and available at body shop
supply houses, and I have used latex caulk from Home Depot. Both worked OK
for me.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham in Woodstock, GA
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD engine rebuild under way!
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project
Vintage Rover Service--Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!!

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:01:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: sIII instrument panel needed

Since my ^%&*(^@#$ brother seems to have successfully disposed of the dash
to my sIII 88", I am currently looking for a used one.  I need the
instrument panels, and the parts that go around the steering column.  If
anyone has one available, please contact me via private e-mail.  Thanks!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:01:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Oil pumps and models

I was at West Marine this weekend, and picked up a nifty little item; an
oil-change pump.  It attaches to a 12v auto battery, and will pump oil for
you.  It's intended for pumping oil out of marine engines, but I don't see
any reason why it couldn't be used to pump oil out of the barrel and into
the transmission et al.  I will report further once I have a chance to try
it out.

WM also had a very nice 2 burner alcohol stove I think I'm gonna put on my
wish list.  Just in case anyone was wondering what to get me for xmas...  8^)

In other news, I was also at a toy show ($250+Donald Duck stuff-- never take
your girlfriend someplace like that on her birthday!) and picked up a few LR
models:

Matchbox 12B topless 88" (nice condition!)
Matchbox 12C Safari 109" (pristine)
Matchbox 12C Safari 109" (Excellent condition, and only $3)
Dinky 109" Pickup (Red)  (Pretty good cond.)
Hot Wheels RR (Red, with flames) MIB 3/$1.00!

And the best finds:

Zee(?) Plastic 109" pickup (about 6" long)
Large Tootsietoy 88" SW for only $3!

And then, coming back from Sacto Sunday around sunset, spotted a green/white
88" HT headed east on 80.  Cool!

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: air compressors to refill tires

At 10:10 AM 11/11/96 -0500, you wrote:
>out.  Who, please, has an opinion on the best way to get it back in? 

How about a bicycle pump?  8^)  At least one model of air lockers comes with
a pump that will fill a tyre. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:08:33 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Eat this USA!

So, All you Americans have had all the very fast powerfull V8 LR's.
The rest of the world must sit and watch...

LR South Africa is soon releasing a local Defender (90 + 110) powered by a
version if the BMW 2.8 Fuel injected multivalve engine.

It is claimed to make the V8's look as if they're looking for parking and is
coverned a 160 Km/h for saftey reasons.

D90  0 - 100 Km/h --->  8  Seconds
D110 0 - 100 Km/h --->  10 Seconds

How do these figures compare to the USA V8's  ??

Brian Cotton
bcotton@lia.co.za
http://www/lia.co.za/users/bcotton "Brian's African Travel Guide"

S3 2.5  Turbo Intercooled Diesel Camper 109 Safari
S3 2.25 N/A SWB

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:17:34 -0800
From: faurecm@halcyon.com (C. Marin Faure)
Subject: Re: gray sealant

>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "M. ABERCROMBIE" <maa0818@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>equivalent that is easily found, and relatively inexpensive?  Thanks for any
>information.

My BMW mechanic here in Seattle says it's called "dumb-dumb" or "dum-dum"
putty, and it is apparently available at automotive supply stores that sell
body repairing materials.  Rather than mess with this stuff, however, I
used a non-bonding silicone sealant around the seat base and floor panels
of my Series III after I re-installed my overhauled transmission.  When I
have to take these components apart in the future it may be a little more
work, but the silicone seems to do a much better job of keeping road spray
from seeping through the seams, a problem I had before.

C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 LR Series III 88
  1991 RR Vogue SE

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:59:49 -0700
From: jimallen@onlinecol.com (Jim Allen)
Subject: Re: Eat this USA!

>So, All you Americans have had all the very fast powerfull V8 LR's.
>The rest of the world must sit and watch...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>S3 2.5  Turbo Intercooled Diesel Camper 109 Safari
>S3 2.25 N/A SWB

Brian,

        VeryiInteresting!!!! If you believe Land Rover figures,(0-60mph in
8.5 second) you're only about a second faster. Real world, NAS D90s did
0-60mph in about 10.5 seconds. How about more info on these Bimmer-powered
D90? Do they have any low end grunt?

Jim Allen

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:17:50 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: UK Registration Letters

At 03:57 PM 11/11/96 -0500, Mike Rogers <MRogers315> wrote:
::Letters that are not used are I,O,Q,U & Z giving a total number of 20.
:
:Don't forget that "Q" is used for vehicles registered after year of
:manufacture, when the year of manufacture cannot be proven. This applies to
:many re-built and ex military  Land Rovers. If an ex military owner can
:prove the year of manufacture the car will be given an "age related" plate.
:
:The all important Tax Disc currently costs 145 Pounds sterling per year,
:unless the vehicle is over 25 years old when it is free!. Current insurance
:and MOT test certificate have to be produced prior to issue each year.
:
:BTW I have been reading the list for some weeks now and am enjoying it. This
:is my second attempt to contribute, the first never appeared on my screen. I
:think it was lost in a load of "returned mail" unless you know different!.

 Ahhh... You may have answered the crux of my question relating to UK
 registration plates.  I'm under the impression that plates are issued with
 codes as to the year of initial registration, however they may or may NOT
 actually reflect the build year.  You seem to be implying that in fact the
 registration plates are synonymous with build years.  If so, that's good.

 On the other hand, how is it that certain people will buy, sell and seek
 out "preferred" plates, and how does that contravene regular build year
 registration?

 Kind regards,

                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                    Rupert 72-88, ?? 89-RR
 510-988-0900          [________]            Land-Rover Rough+Plushmobiles
 cs@crl.com _________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^    www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:46:50 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@www.adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Eat this USA!

Jim Allen wrote:
> >So, All you Americans have had all the very fast powerfull V8 LR's.
> >The rest of the world must sit and watch...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> 0-60mph in about 10.5 seconds. How about more info on these Bimmer-powered
> D90? Do they have any low end grunt?
> Jim Allen

And can you imagine trying to DIY-repair the engine in the bush?

Paul
http://www.adventures.co.za

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:45:08 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Negative/Positive Ground

Ian asks...

>How do I figure out if my Series 1 is negative or positive ground.   The
>PO didn't know (?) and the battery was gone when I got it.  There is
>obviously no -ve ground label.
-

Take a look at the LT terminals on the ignigtion coil. Assuming that it is
wired correctly, if the terminal marked with the + is wired to the
distributer points, then the truck is probably positive ground.. 

Does a SerI have an ammeter? Check how that is wired. With the battery
connected, the engine off and the lights on, the ammeter should show a
discharge condition.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:45:06 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Re2: ECOFLOW

The chicken discussion continues...

>>Would never hear all the clucking and squawking over the noise of the 2.25.
>>I say go for the live chicken.. 
-
>That's all fine and dandy for on the freeway, but for around town, you would
>definitely hear the chicken at every stop light!  How would you ever pick up
>babes?
-

Interesting point, Roger.. but then do I really want to get involved with a
woman who would get into *my* Rover?? 

Besides.. strapping a live chicken to your engine beats putting one in your
underwear any day of the week.. (think about it...)

Cheers
Mike

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:42:39 +0000
Subject: Re: UK Registration Letters

Quoting Michael Carradine, from 11 Nov 96

>  Ahhh... You may have answered the crux of my question relating to UK
>  registration plates.  I'm under the impression that plates are issued
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>  in fact the registration plates are synonymous with build years.  If so,
>  that's good.
By default, a vehicle is registered with a number-plate that lists both 
the location on registration (as in the CS of LCS 210 W) and the year of 
registration (the W).  Note, however, that the year is August to August 
and LCS 210 W was first registered in December 1980

>  On the other hand, how is it that certain people will buy, sell and seek
>  out "preferred" plates, and how does that contravene regular build year
>  registration?
If a vehicles is resold, the number-plate remains with the car.  Thus 
LCS 210 W could move to Cornwall, but retain the Scottish plate.

The DVLA (the government department. who deal with licence plates) are 
selling off "special" number-plates (RAD 1 O, A 144 CAR, etc.) at auction.

There are also many dealers who buy & sell "interesting" plates.

DVLA will also allow you to re-register your vehicle with a number-plate 
for a different year to the year of registration - so long as the vehicle 
does not appear to be younger that it actually is.

Thus LCS 210 W can be re-registered with RAD 1 O or 144 CAR, but not A 144 
CAR

(Paul Danials, the midgit magician, has the plate MAG 1 C)

A note on number-plates: it is illegal to alter the spacing of the letters 
from the standard layout:
	A 144 CAR is OK
	MAG 1 C is OK, MAG1C & M A G 1 C are both out
	144 TEA is OK 14 4 TEA is out

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 131 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

However strong my opinions are, they are mine and no-one elses.

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 8:44:45 GMT

> A SI LR was called "a Jeepy thing" on Wycliffe, a British import police
> mystery set in Cornwall. It was on TV Ontario tonight. Trevor and Dixon can
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Regards,
> David Cockey

In the UK, a 110 was on TV (shock horror, like when aren't they?), but it
saved the day for Billy Connolly. He's currently journeying around Australia
- the programme being bits of gigs interspersed with him touring around.
He went fishing at Stockton, near Newcastle, but when it got a "bit rough"
he gave up his Harley Davidson, and got a lift in a nice new 110 SW...

There was an SIII 109 on "Casualty", but I still don't understand how the
caravan was able to hold it on its brake on a steep hill (owner unhooks
caravan, SIII, pointing downhill, rolls, hits another caravan over, 2 
Casualties, 109, thankfully is okay! :-)  )

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR) 

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Hong Kong Land Rovers
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 8:55:30 GMT

(CCed to the main list)

The advert in LRW:

JCM Disposals

On behalf of Ministry of Defence London and British Forces Hong Kong

We offer for sale Vehicles, Plant and Equipment situated within Hong Kong

To include:

Ford Ambulances           200 No Toyota Cars and Vans
4x4 = MK Bedfords         Terex Machines
4x4 = Land Rovers         1 3/4 ton trailers
Carmichael - Multi-purpose fire tender
Lightweights              Toyota Urvan mini bus

Land Rover and Bedford parts, military clothing, camping equipment, marine
spares & boats, outboard motors, boots/shoes, tools, plant, forktrucks,
water bowsers.

Tel.  UK 01642 565566              HK 00 852 23364007 / 23374863
Fax.  UK 01642 565626              HK 00 852 23370470

+ lots of pictures of row after row of Land Rovers...

Guess the outboards, are from the convertible version of the Sea Rover?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:27:59 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

>There was an SIII 109 on "Casualty", but I still don't understand how the
>caravan was able to hold it on its brake on a steep hill (owner unhooks
>caravan, SIII, pointing downhill, rolls, hits another caravan over, 2
>Casualties, 109, thankfully is okay! :-)  )

You expect *logic* in a soap opera?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 9:35:21 GMT

> >There was an SIII 109 on "Casualty", but I still don't understand how the
> >caravan was able to hold it on its brake on a steep hill (owner unhooks
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> >Casualties, 109, thankfully is okay! :-)  )
> You expect *logic* in a soap opera?

No I guess not.

Also, why was the caravan park on the side of a steep hill in the first place?
Perhaps we are turning into a nanny state, and common-sense is extinct?

Richard

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From: Alan Jardine <ALAN@atd.co.uk>
Date:          Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:35:07 +0
Subject:       Re: Rover Anti-theft Methods

> From:           SPYDERS@aol.com
> Date sent:      Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:55:36 -0500
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> Originally to:  lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject:        Rover Anti-theft Methods

> Are there any tried and proven methods for keeping decent (yeah, I know, who
> would steal a decrepid looking one) Series and Defender type LRs out of the
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> Any comments on hidden switches, fuel cut-off (petcock type), boa
> constrictors or nerve-gas in the a/c vents? Basically what anti-drive-away
> types of deterrents are popular/working.
Whenever I park my lightweight in a built up area I isolate the 
battery with a discarnect switch, padlock the bonnet catch and put 
the tank changeover switch into the middle which stops any fuel 
getting through.  Doesn't stop people pulling things off it though.  
I had a pickaxe strapped to the tailgate and only parked in town for 
about an hour.  When I came back someone had tried to pull the thing 
off the back (they didn't bother just unbuckling it) and broke off 
the mounting bracket which disappeared.

I also use a crooklock which locks the clutch to the stearing wheel 
and place it in 4wd to make it more difficult to tow away.

Probably the best anit-theft device is to rough up the paintwork a 
bit (some green-laning should help).  This should make it look as 
though it's not worth stealing ;-)

> I'm currently using that well-recommended Club as well as a fuel-pump cut-out
> (the built-in one on 3.9 V8s). Sofa-so-good; but I'd like to add a second
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> line of defense without shelling out tons for an alarm.
> pat "hey you, get away from that rover" parsons

Alan Jardine,  ATD. 

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:24:04 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Jeepy: Cornish for Land Rover

>Also, why was the caravan park on the side of a steep hill in the first place?
>Perhaps we are turning into a nanny state, and common-sense is extinct?

Easy.No steep hill,no roll,no injuries,no episode.Which is fine by
me,but maybe you like it.
We've been a nanny state for years,and common sense doesnt exist.Its
UNcommon sense.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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